Does Israel have a right to exist?

[SNM chick]

the israeli peeps have no right to have jeurasalam, as they use to live ther over to thousand yearz ago and the roman empire basically kicked them out then they moved to places all ova the world but had a hard time living in them places as they were were being treated very badly, n the holocaust was the last straw n dats wen they decided to go back to palestine-israel n they basically said hey out u get muslims we are back n refugee camps were set up were the muslims had to live cuz they were kicked out of their homes and they had living in them camps for generations chlidens grandparents were even born there, there was a british embassy of some sort in placed in palestine n even they disagreed with wat the jewz were doin n tryed to make dem stop however they failed to make them stop maybe cuz they were sympathetic to the jewz after 6million of dem died in the holocaust.
so it wasnt right to the jewz to go back after 2000 yrz n say hey out u get muslims, the reason the jewz went back is because that is were they lived b4 the roman empire kicked them out 2000yrz ago, they wanted to build a governemnt their and they succeeded as they did,
but it was not fair for tem to kick the muslims out who had been living there for longer than them and the palestinian muslim probably too traced there decendents to palestine,

it is therefore the palestinian'z land that was robbed of them after the world war 2 wen the jewz said out u get people.,
jewz should jus move along cuz most palestinains live n palestine whereas more jews live in newyork alone then in israel,

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

SNM Chick
Do you seriously think that the Israelis are just going to say "Oh well, let's pack up and move to Manhattan"????

[Cilmiile]

Mad Mac

Israel is def headed for the dustbin of history. Who is gonna write them out of history? The same folk who wrote Apartheid South Africa out of history

No More Apartheid Scum

Soon, No Zionist Scum.

[Grant]

2600 BC The site of Jerusalem is first settled (early Bronze Age)
1800s BC Jerusalem first documented - on a list of Egypt's enemies that was broken as a curse
1350 BC The Amarna letters from the Canaanite king to Pharoah Akhenaton of Egypt ask for help against the "Habiru" beseiging their city
1200 BC Israelite invasion of Jerusalem under Joshua
1000 BC Jerusalem taken by King David, who makes it his capital (the City of David is south of today's Old City)
960 BC David's son Solomon extends Jerusalem's city limits and builds the First Temple on Mount Moriah
701 BC Assyrian emperor Sennacherib beseiges Jerusalem; he is unsuccessful thanks to King Hezekiah's tunnel that supplies the city with water from Gihon Spring. By this time, the city has expanded north to cover Mount Zion and today's Armenian and Jewish Quarters.
612 BC Babylonians conquer Assyrian empire; Judah's king Joash makes an alliance with Egypt against the Babylonians.
597 BC Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar defeats Judah and installs the puppet king Zedekiah on the throne in Jerusalem
586 BC After Judah again joins with Egypt against Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonians invade Jerusalem, destroy the Temple, and drive the population into exile in Babylon
586-39 BC Jerusalem lies virtually abandoned
539 BC Persian king Cyrus the Great defeats the Babylonians and allows the Judeans (now also known as Jews) to return from exile. About 50,000 Jews return to Jerusalem, led by the prophets Haggai and Zechariah.
515 BC A smaller and less elaborate Second Temple is rebuilt on the site of Solomon's original
400s BC In the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, more Jews return from Babylon
322 BC Jerusalem captured by Alexander the Great
198 BC The Seleucids gain Jerusalem from the Ptolemies and later Hellenize the Temple and dedicate it to Zeus.
164 BC The Maccabees, fervent opponents of Hellenization, lead a revolt. They conquer Jerusalem and rededicate the Temple to the Jewish God (the event commemorated at Hanukkah). The Hasmoneans rule Jerusalem for the next century.
63 BC Strife among the Hasmoneans leads to the Roman general Pompey taking Jerusalem and installing the Hasmonean king Hyrcanus on the throne
37 BC The Romans depose the Hasmonean ruler and install Herod the Great on the throne of Jerusalem
37-4 BC Rule of Herod the Great, during which he extensively refurbished Jerusalem and restored and enlarged the Second Temple

c. 4 BC Birth of Jesus in Bethlehem
c.30 AD Jesus enters Jerusalem in triumph (celebrated on Palm Sunday) and is crucified and resurrected a week later (celebrated on Good Friday and Easter Sunday, respectively). The sites of Jesus' death and burial are likely enclosed in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
66 First Revolt (or Jewish War) is fought against the Romans
70 Destruction of the Temple by Titus, son of Roman Emperor Vespasian (commemorated on the Arch of Titus in Rome)
132 Second Revolt under Simon Bar Kokhba
135 The Jewish revolt is defeated by Hadrian, who razes Jerusalem to the ground and builds a Roman city, Aelia Capitolina, on top of it. Jews are expelled and prohibited from even entering the city. Hadrian's city is roughly the shape of the Old City seen today, including the basic layout of the streets.
313 Emperor Constantine the Great legalizes Christianity in the Roman empire and soon builds several churches in the Holy Land (including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Church of the Pater Noster, and the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem).
330 Constantine moves the Roman capital to Constantinople (Istanbul), beginning the Byzantine period. In the Byzantine era, Jerusalem and the Cardo are expanded southward and several more churches are built.
333 The "Bordeux pilgrim" visits Jerusalem
384 The Spanish pilgrim Egeria visits Jerusalem
614 Jerusalem attacked and heavily damaged by the Persians
571-632 Life of the Prophet Muhammad in Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia
c.620 Muhammad's "Night Journey" from Mecca to Jerusalem and then into heaven (Qur'an 17)
638 Arab Muslims take Jerusalem in a bloodless surrender accepted in person by Caliph Omar Ibn al-Khattab. Omar famously refuses to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which allows it to remain a Christian site. (This is commemorated by the Omar Mosque.)
660-750 Jerusalem flourishes under the rule of the Ummayad caliphs, who rule from Damascus. Jerusalem becomes the capital of a province covering most of Palestine and the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock are built early in the period.
750-969 The Abbasid dynasty rules from Baghdad. During this period Jerusalem is home to several prominent Sufi scholars and receives many Jewish and Christian pilgrims
969 Jerusalem taken by the Fatimids, a dynasty of Shi'ites ruling from Egypt
1071 Jerusalem taken by the Seljuk Turks, who began to threaten the Byzantine empire as well. The Byzantine emperor appeals to the West for help.
1099 Pope Urban II calls the First Crusade.
July 1099 The Crusaders or "Franks" (they are mostly French) conquer Jerusalem and massacre its Jews and most of its Muslims. The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem is established, led by Godfrey de Bouillon.
1171 Salah al-Din al-Ayyubi (Saladin) defeats the weak Fatimids in Egypt.
July 1187 Saladin defeats the Crusaders at the battle of the Horns of Hittin
Oct 1187 Saladin captures Jerusalem from the Crusaders. He allows Christians to remain in the city and the Jews to return; members of all faiths lived alongside each other throughout Jerusalem.
1229 Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II negotiates a deal with Saladin's dynasty and gains all of Jerusalem except Temple Mount.
1254 Jerusalem taken by the Khwarizmian Turks, who slaughter most of the city's Christian population
1260 Jerusalem taken by the Mamluks (Mamelukes). Mamluk sultan Baybars the Great (1260-77) ousts the Crusaders from Palestine for good.
1260-1516 Mamluk Jerusalem: many Muslim buildings constructed, including much of the Muslim Quarter, and Jerusalem becoms a center of Muslim pilgrimage and scholarship.
1516 Jerusalem taken by the Ottoman Turks.
1537-41 Rule of Sulieman the Magnificent, who rebuilds Jerusalem's walls and much of the city.
1516-1917 Ottoman Jerusalem: a relatively peaceful period during which Jerusalem was a rather dilapidated provincial outpost of the empire.
Dec 1917 British troops marched into Jerusalem through the Jaffa Gate (on foot, out of respect for the Holy City)
1918 At the end of World War I, Jerusalem becomes the capital of the British Mandate in Palestine.
1929 Nationwide race riots start in Jerusalem
1936 Arabs revolt against the British but are defeated
1947 United Nations Partition Plan proposes to divide Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state, with Jerusalem shared by both.
1948 British pull out of Palestine; the 1948 war between Arabs and Jews over Jerusalem ensues. Arabs force Jews out of the Old City and the Jewish Quarter is mostly destroyed.
June 1967 The Six Day War ends with Israelis occupying Jerusalem, including East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The Jewish Quarter is rebuilt and the Western Wall Plaza cleared.

[Alluring]

Probably too slow to get it.

[Grant]

Alluring,

If you are referring to me, I am a dental technician and sometime historian. No Jewish heritage whatsoever. Also, not a Christian.

That list is established historical fact, not will-o-the-wisp wishful thinking.

Jerusalem has changed hands many times, and no one group has an absolute cultural or religious claim on it.

It seems really strange to me that archaeology has become such a dangerous occupation.

[+chilli]

yes it does. In Europe, Russia

Grant, i thou you was a 3gods man(christian)?

[Aiman]

Alluring,

Go do your nails instead of discussing politics here.

[Grant]

Chilli,

I am a Deist. I have a Mormon heritage and background, but have not been active as an adult.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Cilmille
So the South African blacks are going to move to Jerusalum?

Where, exactly, do you think the Jews of Israel will go? And what will compel them to move from their homes? Remember, the majority of Jews now living in Israel were BORN THERE.

[Padishah]

Our concern is the comfort and the wellbeing of the Palestinians; a whole generation grown and raising the next in refugee camps.

What do I care what a bunch of smelly Eastern European Ashkhenazi human refuse, who've been living it up for the past 60 years, go? For all I care, they can go back to their ghettoes and shtetls to be gassed in some future point by enraged Europeans for whatever contrived reasons they'd deign to make.

[gurey25]

[quote]1254 Jerusalem taken by the Khwarizmian Turks, who slaughter most of the city's Christian population
[/quote]

must be a typo becuase the khawarismians were bieng dismantaled and massacred by Ghengis khan in person in that very year.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Our concern is the comfort and the wellbeing of the Palestinians; a whole generation grown and raising the next in refugee camps.

What do I care what a bunch of smelly Eastern European Ashkhenazi human refuse, who've been living it up for the past 60 years, go? For all I care, they can go back to their ghettoes and shtetls to be gassed in some future point by enraged Europeans for whatever contrived reasons they'd deign to make."

Concern isn't the issue kid. Who is concerned about what doesn't mean shit. Jesus Christ you need a focking education. The issue is, there is a society living there and it is nuclear armed and not going away.

[Alluring]

Mad Mac, your knees must be in pain.

[Alluring]

[quote="Aiman"]Alluring,

Go do your nails instead of discussing politics here.[/quote]

Just because I don't care for the idiotic unified sadists known as "Arabs" I should go do my nails. Splendid!

I've never liked weak people.