bad government is better than no government?

[surrender]

Well put eyesonly

No government is better than bad government..problems come from a centralised form of government..what Somalis need is self government..a federal form of government...co operation amongst the tribes..self determination for tribes. We can conduct our own affairs without the need for salaried politicians.

i agree with you ES sis how could we do that if our people dont listen to their government? when the TFG didnt even want a war and went to the south to do talks with the southerners. their reply wasnt welcoming. the southerners should've given TFG n AY a chance. dont you agree?

[FAH1223]

i agree with you ES sis how could we do that if our people dont listen to their government? when the TFG didnt even want a war and went to the south to do talks with the southerners. their reply wasnt welcoming. the southerners should've given TFG n AY a chance. dont you agree?

Are you dumb?

The TFG already went to Jowhar, Baidoa and were there waaaaaay before the ICU came and defeated the CIA warlords...they had one year and a half to do something

They are composed of the warlords who destroyed Xamar, who had isbarros in Xamar, killed people among clan lines in the 90s... who wants to talk with that?

get out of here...Abdullahi Yusuf has too much baggage to be the President, everyone knows it and the civilians don't want to talk to the warlords of their clans who were over them for so long and now carry the title of Wasir. Not to mention the Ethiopian influence..

Sure its the 14th attempt at a government, but you reward bad guys, guys who have done crimes against humanity especially in Mogadishu and you want them to "talk" with the people?

"Talk to the southerners"

Look at the TFG and all the "southerners" who are in it.

Somalia's solution is a PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT...not an Ethiopian or Kenyan or American or Arab backed government...

If you don't have legitimacy to go into your own capital city to hold parliament..when you have big bad men who were in that city for so long abusing people... something is weird!

[Enlightened~Sista]

surrender you misunderstood me...my post was not pro TFG whatsoever

[Shirib]

Surrender That is true
but hawiye dowlad ma rabaane maxaa talaa
madaxaa laga garaaci doonaye iskada

you right great-legend people in the south dont seem to want a government at all. i mean look around the world. which country is corruption free? non, even USA and britain, the things they get up to, like the FBI, CIA, MI5/6 walahi i once watch a documentory about them on channel4 (uk) you wouldnt want anything to do with them.


i for example read somewhere that the NHS service in this country is corrupt you wont believe. they always complaining about of having shortage of money and that. but thats lie. they make more money than they spend on the services. like the car parking system in hospitals are not free. so they were saying like Ealing hospital (west london, UK) they make more money from the car park than they spend on the hospital service.


all im trying to say is. there is no government in this world that are corrupt free. even Saudi arabia, the lsharia abiding "shiekhs" they are as corrupt as somalia, UK, USA, Canada and India.


their countries are working well and doing well because their people are willing to change and willing to make a better future for themselves.


i mean for example why would AY and the TFG bother me, if i can get a nice job in somalia. and make a decent living. and if everybody think like that then. the corruption will go away soon or laer. and even if our government are corrupt that dont mean allah will ask us. just live your life and leave the politics to the people that know.


over all the main issue somalia is having is that. every single somali person. young, old girl boy. wmen men, disabled mand and sane. all want to be a leader.walahi is true. every single somali thinks his/she's the next president of somalia.


that aint going to work leave politics to the people that know. if AY is Xabahss friend? why should we care? as long as he didnt had to bring the xabahss in somalia? but i dont blame him walahi, and its not because his mj and im mj. but these southerns have turn the whole world against them.


xabashs werent even in the country when AY tried to go to baydabio in 2004/5 and they started to go against him. damn! you give the person a chance. they made him do that. they not very smart people. the people that they kill, get killed, and burn their houses are the same people. look at the bigger picture people. corrupted government is better no government

U should try soundindg a little more politically correct.

Fact of the matter is most people who support the TFG now did not support the TNG. Even Shilling who's excuse for supporting the TFG is I just want a government did not support the TNG.

TNG came and people really wanted to make a government, but the TNG didn't have guns and were goin up against warlords the likes of Muse Suudi, Caato and what not.

Why would the people of the south not want a government? Do u think they like paying all there earnings at a isbaaro so they can go accross the street to get some food to feed their family?

[Somali_4Life]

surrender you misunderstood me...my post was not pro TFG whatsoever

Ouch

[Shirib]

i agree with you ES sis how could we do that if our people dont listen to their government? when the TFG didnt even want a war and went to the south to do talks with the southerners. their reply wasnt welcoming. the southerners should've given TFG n AY a chance. dont you agree?

Abdullahi Yusuf waa oday Darood oo ciyaal suuq ah

[BABYGIRL123]

A bad govenrment is better than no government.

[The_Emperior5]

Well put eyesonly

No government is better than bad government..problems come from a centralised form of government..what Somalis need is self government..a federal form of government...co operation amongst the tribes..self determination for tribes. We can conduct our own affairs without the need for salaried politicians.

i agree with you ES sis how could we do that if our people dont listen to their government? when the TFG didnt even want a war and went to the south to do talks with the southerners. their reply wasnt welcoming. the southerners should've given TFG n AY a chance. dont you agree?

why should you give a change to a goverment that was elected bye the warlords them selfs
not southeren proffesors madaxdhaqameen or other salaadiin elected cabdilahi yusuf
but muse suudii did qanyare cismaan caato these guys elected the t f g and yusuf ma fahantay so why give a change to what muhammmad dhere so dhoo dhoobay isagu warlord are you mad

ta labaad t f g maha dawlad wa wax laa soo dhoodhoobay no Somalian likes the t f g hadaad imika weydiisiid qof xamamr jooga ma kismayo jooga ama beledweyne jooga the largest city of somalia no one likes the t f g

u can say a bad goverment is better then no goverment , bad goverment was tii maxammad siyaad barre , that goverment was better then no goverment laakin ilahay baan kugu dhaarye xabashi laga amaar qaato uu gabre la yidha uu ilahay nacay ayaad dawlad ummad uga dhiigaysa

[Somaliweyn]

A bad govenrment is better than no government.

Depending on the definition of bad government.

Kenyan government is bad, Ugandan government is bad, Ghanian government is bad, Nigerian government is bad. Every sane person would chose that over no government and anarchy like in Somalia.

But, would a sane person chose a government-on-paper only fueling the anarchy? Hell no.




BTW, One can argue that Somalia in general have done better with no government then other African countries with a government. Ofcourse the bloodshed makes it hard to look at the bright side of no government

[Walid2005]

NO

A bad government is NOT better than no government.

For example, the Siad Barre regime was a bad government it murdered and displaced many people. Without a central government, the people of Somaliland managed to rebuild their land and establish a government to suit them, the people of Puntland managed to do the same, the people of southern Somalia although struggling against internationally funded warlords managed to establish thriving businesses and most of them were doing much better than they were under the former regime and peace was slowly returning.

The TFG is the worst government Somalia has ever had, now compare that to before colonisation when we never had any governments. Do you think those people, your grandparents or great grandparents would opt for a TFG to self determination and freedom?

I think not. If a bad government means giving up your right to your land and freedom, if a bad government means torture and displacement, if bad government means having warlords as leaders, I would rather have no government at all. Otherwise you only have legalised banditry and barbarity...which in truth should not be called a government at all but is recognised around the world as one and funded the same.

At least you can get order out of chaos and with time, you can even get peace and justice. But a rotten infected tree planted on any soil will remain rotten to the core and the only remedy is to uproot it and destroy it before it causes more harm.

Correction: TFG is not a government but a vassal of Ethiopia...How in the earth can you label an "entity" for government if it cant even impose its rule to the population at large? TFG Cant even Govern Villa Somalia or Baidoa.

[Shirib]

The President of the TFG is General Gabre Heard.



and this is how he rules, and who his loyalty is with

[Walid2005]

The President of the TFG is General Gabre Heard.



and this is how he rules, and who his loyalty is with

Thank you..Finally a person who calls a spade for a spade.

[surrender]

surrender you misunderstood me...my post was not pro TFG whatsoever

i think YOU mis-understood me. i never said it was.

[surrender]

my point was to see how many of you would go for bad government than no government. most of you replied against the idea of 'bad government is better than no government' yet there are more people who voted FOR the idea !!!hmmmmm

[Shirib]

A bad government is better than no government.

The TFG is not a government.