Why exactly do you/do not support Al-shabaab?

[tightrope]

I abhor Al Shabab because I do not support international criminals coming to Somalia in order to live out their jihad fantasies. Like this Abu Mansoor Al Amriki character who was a college student all the way in Alabama, USA then all of a sudden became a leader of a rebel group in Somalia coordinating attacks against Somali people. He doesn't give a fuck about all the damage he does, or the people he kills- his family and property is safe and sound and this is all like some sort of real life video game for this stupid man.

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!!
I THINK "ABUMANSUR" IS A MOSSAD AGENT!!!

[zaahidun]

alshabaab qofba si uu unacsan yahay ,qaar islaanimada dhankeeda ayeey kala dirir san yihiin qaarna qabiilkooda meeshuu haystay e qabiilada yaryar ku gumeysan jiray ayaa maanta kuwi uu shalay gumeysanaayay ayaa maanta amiira ka ah oo garaacaya ,qaarna waxey u naceen maadaama diinta alle eey ka been sheegayaan ee shacabka sideey rabaan u prograamiyeen ,qaar na maslaxada wadanka maadaama eeysan rabin ee dagaalkii 20 sano leysku mari la;aa hada xal umoodeen yey ku naceen , qarna gowracan iyo xuduudan aan booskeeda lahayn ee dadka lagu tiraayo lixdooda lixaad bey ku naceyn iyo xuriyad la;aanta, qaarkalana soo dhawynta iyo kusoo aadinta wadanka dad shisheeya ee ladagaalama waxa eey sheegteen alshabaab ee ka tirsanaanta alqaeda , intaas oo dhan markaad wadaqiimeyso waxaa kuu soo baxaya in wax faaido ah eey dalkan soomaliya kusoo dabaali karin bas ee burburkiisa sii xoojinayaan .

[Salahuddiin]

Their first kufr is:
Allowing suicide attack eventhough Allah swt made it forbidden all suicides. So they went against the quran and fell into rido(wal ciyaadu billaah).


Second kufr:
Making ppl under their rule to fear them more than fearing Allah swt. So they made themselves equals to Allah swt.

Third kufr:
Killing muslims without just... What does quran say about killing a mu'min.

Fourth kufr: rejecting peace talks so they think of themselves better than the prophet pbuh who did enter in peace negotiations with the mushrikeen. Yet shabaabul murtaddeen hates peace talks with other muslims.

This ignorant donkey ranting with zero-knowledge on Islam and even more jaahil people cheerleading him (XimanJaale and co). Wallahi only this post shows how limited these people Islamic knowledge is but how they still speak about it. This is without a doubt the most ignorant post I've seen here for a while. Takfiir is an Islamic science in itself with certain rules and methods and none of those four "kufrs" you mentioned is a basis for takfiir.

About the topic, sure al-Shabaab makes mistakes like every single individual in this world. If you search for a perfect group you won't ever find them. Still compared to TFG al-Shabaab's mistakes are very minor. If we look at the leadership of TFG then it's about widespread corruption, bringing kuffaar to Muslim land to fight against Muslims and Islam (not even "normal" kuffaar but real savages from armies known for their war-crimes in other wars) and fighting for man-made laws they are trying to force upon Muslims who want Shariica. Even if we look at the foot-soldiers of al-Shabaab and TFG there is a big difference. Shabaab are usually quite disciplined while it's a well known fact, that soldiers of TFG are quite often involved in robbing people and other kind of mooriyaanimo.

How about attacking places where you know dozens of civilians will be killed, in order to kill one "taaghut" (education minister for example)? How about bombing non combatants in states whose armies are fighting in Somalia? How about the frequency of their implementation of the huduud?

Bombing in Shaamo-hotel wasn't executed by al-Shabaab. They denied taking any part and TFG was caught lying about niqaab-wearing suicide-bomber. Bombings in Uganda are based on weaker opinion about retaliation and it's ijtihaad of mujaahideen so it's not any major issue, although wrong. Compared to al-Shabaab's rivals, who randomly shell Xamar daily and have killed thousands and injured much more, this is not really an issue to cry over. Implementation of xuduud is not an issue in itself, but the only question could be in the method is made. I have good faith in the judicial system of al-Shabaab. Their judges are religiously educated shuyuukh and there's no reason to suspect otherwise. Somalia has been in chaos without law and order for a long time and in this situation it's most important to implement the law fully in order to stop mooriyaans exploiting the situation.

There are two options in Somalia: TFG and al-Shabaab. From the root TFG is built on values and objectives based on secularism and kufr and all the enemies of Islam from USA to Ethiopia are 100% behind them. It's not possible that they would change for anything better because the system is already built on non-Islamic foundation.

Al-Shabaab on the other hand evolving and changing all the time and I have no suspicion, that if they take over Somalia, they would drop excessive radicalism. Now they are in war with their enemies getting more support every day from all the enemies of Islam, so of course the biggest focus on every activity would be in Jihad. Always there are tough rhetorics and methods in wartime and this is common in every country and religion.

[melo]

Bombing in Shaamo-hotel wasn't executed by al-Shabaab. They denied taking any part and TFG was caught lying about niqaab-wearing suicide-bomber.

First off, elements within the shabaab group claimed responsibility, then backed out after seeing the backlash. Secondly, this isn't the first time they carried out such an attack, where they've attacked an area littered with non combatants to get taghuts. And yes, according to shabaab, ibraahim caddow was a taaghut, working for the murtad dalxiis.

Bombings in Uganda are based on weaker opinion about retaliation and it's ijtihaad of mujaahideen so it's not any major issue, although wrong.

It is not weaker opinion. It is a shaadh opinion, that has no basis in fiqhi manuals. The khawaarij elements within the Jihaadi movement have manipulated fiqh manuals to justify their murders.

Implementation of xuduud is not an issue in itself, but the only question could be in the method is made. I have good faith in the judicial system of al-Shabaab. Their judges are religiously educated shuyuukh and there's no reason to suspect otherwise

When the huddud are implemented that frequently, alarm bells start ringing. There is ample enough evidence out there, including anecdotal evidence myself (family and relatives) which point to Shabaab not following the correct proceedures.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The only reason i dont support them is because they left the religion even if they pray million times a day, say the shahada 100 times a day , or make tawaf every month.

[melo]

The only reason i dont support them is because they left the religion even if they pray million times a day, say the shahada 100 times a day , or make tawaf every month.

Al-shabaab are not gaalo. You are just as much of khaariji as they are.

[abdisamad3]

Becouse they are better then the xabashi serving dogs and TFG kafir loving warlords who have invited the aids infected african monkeys to our country..nacalad baa ku taal tfg and who ever support those asshole's.

[Murax]

I don't support Al Kelaab for a plethora of reasons:



Extrajudical killings without Islamic trial
Takfir of the Muslims and anyone who is not part of them being gaalo
suicide bombings which is xaraam
killing and even worse the justification of killing innocent Muslim bystanders in bomb attacks


To name a few. They are khawaarij in every sense of the word

[kadarre]

Al shabab are stray dogs.

[Kukri]

because they wear the cimaamd by day and at night they get drunk, snif cock and have homosexual orgies.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The only reason i dont support them is because they left the religion even if they pray million times a day, say the shahada 100 times a day , or make tawaf every month.

Al-shabaab are not gaalo. You are just as much of khaariji as they are.

Anyone who loves them is also gaalo

[Salahuddiin]

melo

It's useless to argue about hotel Shaamo-bombing. There are several factors that make this event very suspicious and there can't be certainty who was behind it. If some unknown dude calls media and says he represents al-Shabaab that doesn't mean anything. Leaders and official spokesman denied it. As for Addow, I don't shed any tears for him. He along those two ministers chose to work for anti-Islamic entity backed by thousands of kuffar brought to Muslim country. May Allah have mercy on the innocent who died that day.

Kampala bombing or retaliation in kind is indeed based on rare opinion, but it's still result of their ijtihaad. They decided to attack a country that's in war against Somalia and there's no questioning that Uganda and Burundi wouldn't be in a war against Somalia. Even if this operation is wrong, it's not kufr or there's nothing Khaariji in it, if you know the meaning of that word. I'm against intentional operations against non-combatants, but I care more about those thousands Somalis killed by AMISOM than some dead Ugandans.

I don't think that the xuduud are so frequent. Light tacziir-punishments for small crimes are quite common, but hand-cutting and killing haven't even happened so many times. Only when it happens everybody goes crazy and it's posted all around with much ado over it, so that's why they stay in our mind. Every time when one of these punishment is carried out the crime and things related to it are publicly announced. Don't think that there aren't so many criminals in Somalia. People have been living a long time without law and order and thefts and crime is still quite common in Somalia, even though it's on decline in al-Shabaab held areas and the thanks goes to deterring punishments. In place like Somalia, implementing law would be the first thing that is needed in order to bring peace and get the chance to improve economic and social situation.

Finally I'd like to make two points:

1. There's a legal jihad in Somalia and al-Shabaab is fighting in it. TFG are also participating, but in the wrong side. 12000 kuffaar soldiers are in Muslim land supporting secular government against Islamic alternatives. There's no difference between TFG of Afbiijo and his replacement bila sharaf. I fully support the efforts against enemies of Somalia and Islam (TFG and AMISOM). I won't withdraw this support if I disagree in some relatively minor issues or see some mistakes. When I look at the big picture it's impossible to go against the Islamic resistance while kuffaar Africans are killing people left and right. In the time of invasion by kuffaar defensive jihad immediately surpasses almost every other thing and there's NOTHING more important than driving kuffaar out from our country.

2. Khaalid bin al-Waliid made mistakes and for example intentionally killed Muslims who were living in the enemy territory. He was reproached by the Prophet scws, who said he was innocent from what Khaalid did, but still he kept his position as a leader of Muslim army. Jihad and especially defensive jihad (most obligatory thing after iman, opinion of ibn Taymiyah) is bigger than some minor mistakes.

[union]

Salahuddiin fuck off back to Islamic Awakening. Nobody wants to read your hogwash claptrap.

Also this thread needs to be moved by the mods to the poltiical section, as all of the TFG threads have been.

[Salahuddiin]

Kaafir

I know you hate it, but Somalis are Muslims and will stay that way. Somalia will be an Islamic state with islamic Shariica law, so keep on bitching, low life wannabe-american. Maybe in this duniya you can't escape the Muslims you hate so much, but better luck in the afterlife. Insha Allah you will get to spend the eternity with your beloved American army, Bush and co.

[Enlightened~Sista]

All the reasons why I don't support them were listed..I'll add some more.

They wear tea towels on their heads
Paki clothes
look malnourished
are illiterate uneducated
They embarrass me