Let us debate like Men,UNITY DEBATE.

[Samatr]

There's really not much to debate, let's just hope and pray our other half gets better soon.

[Mondey]

hawiye=25%
isaaq = 22 %
darod=20%
rahanwein=17%
samaroon&cisse = 7 %
digil=3%
ethnic minorities 6 %

total=100%

this is not actual clan size rather its representation of each clan within the borders of somalia. hawiye and isaaq are the most beneficiary as their clans reside almost completely within the borders. unlike Dir and Darood.

[Samatr]

^somebody lied to you.

[Mondey]

^ no we just happen to have a functioning brain

[Cali_Gaab]

hawiye=25%
isaaq = 22 %
darod=20%
rahanwein=17%
samaroon&cisse = 7 %
digil=3%
ethnic minorities 6 %

total=100%

this is not actual clan size rather its representation of each clan within the borders of somalia. hawiye and isaaq are the most beneficiary as their clans reside almost completely within the borders. unlike Dir and Darood.

even so, were you not talking about 'somalia' this whole time? What's the problem now

[Mondey]

hawiye=25%
isaaq = 22 %
darod=20%
rahanwein=17%
samaroon&cisse = 7 %
digil=3%
ethnic minorities 6 %

total=100%

this is not actual clan size rather its representation of each clan within the borders of somalia. hawiye and isaaq are the most beneficiary as their clans reside almost completely within the borders. unlike Dir and Darood.

even so, were you not talking about 'somalia' this whole time? What's the problem now

ok fair enough i'll go along with u ,, then how can you demand 50% of everything when ur only 22% of total population? bit greedy aint ya

[Samatr]

^ no we just happen to have a functioning brain

I was referring to your statement about certain clans not living in Ethiopia but I guess that went over your head.
next time think before you post, I know it's hard with the whole fasting thing.

[Mondey]

^ no we just happen to have a functioning brain

I was referring to your statement about certain clans not living in Ethiopia but I guess that went over your head.
next time think before you post, I know it's hard with the whole fasting thing.

i don't state anything that im not aware of, i know very well who lives where and who doesn't regarding northern clans, the small fraction of ur subclans in Hawd, and that in djibouti, which is exactly why i said "almost completely". next time read carefully before u even start to think.

[GeoDesic]

As-Salaamu Alaikum,

I do not see why people need to inject clan into everything. Somaliland has moved away from clan politics and is based on a multi-party system. Any future legitimate government for Somalia Proper would also not be based on 4.5 system or some other clan formula. So lets park the clan issue right there.

Now, after some 22 pages the polling of Somalis from Somalia Proper is rather disturbing. It is an attitude of continual hostilities in one form or another. I'd like to think it comes from the current psyche in Somalia Proper that has caused so much chaos. It is hard for people who support different factions in the conflict in Somalia Proper to think objectively. Naturally they will be hostile to Somaliland as well, and therefore should not be taken as a representation of the future citizens of a future legitimate government of Somalia Proper. The argument here is, just as Somalia Proper will need an equitable & legitimate government, it will also need a more educated & just citizenship. If not, then obviously the conflict will continue and Somalia Proper would never get out of the abyss.

Considering the above, we can safely dismiss many of the clanish & over the top arguments we see here as premature. We should continue to pray for Somalia Proper to get peace and reconcile withitself. We should do whatever we can as a brotherly nation be it taking part of the efforts of the famine or taking in refugees. It is a moral duty. It is the Islamic thing to do. Even if at times you may feel they are ungrateful. This comes to mind when those refugees from Somalia Proper were demanding the right to vote in Somaliland's Presidential elections. They just came from a wartorn nation, their safety is gaurenteed and yet they want something they are not entitled to? This in somali is called damaaci nimo or in english pure "greed". I have a feeling this greed is the reason Somalia Proper may never become peaceful, and is its downfall. One thing must be emphasized though, to continue to claim the jurisdiction of Somaliland is a hostile move and will be repelled at any cost. The battle lines are drawn.

There are some green shoots though, in my own friends and even here in this forum where the likes of RovvingMadness can come to terms with the reality that Somaliland is its own nation and Somalia Proper must respect it. I beleive the future is bright in the horn if we all embrace the inevitable.

Well, the rest of somalis do not take clanism to the extreme level your ilk does. To you and your ilk, your single clan equates a nation, to the rest of somalis, their clans are members of one ethnic group called Somali. That is the difference and that is why somalis are always in disfavour of Isaqs calling it quits. Not so much that somalis care about the presence of Isaq among Somalis but Somalia as a country and land identified with Somalis being much more important that the whole ISAQ CLAN is what drives the negative attitude towards ISaqs in general. I wouldn't second guess sacrificing an entire clan for Somalia, and that is a feeling all somalis share. Country and people VS single Clan ---> Country and people win simple.

[SahanGalbeed]

Dooro ^up here answering salahudin

Well, the rest of somalis do not take clanism to the extreme level your ilk does

... but then again

I wouldn't second guess sacrificing an entire clan for Somalia

read , us the Isaaqs


...fuc,k outta here dooro you neither have balls or brain !

[Samatr]

^ no we just happen to have a functioning brain

I was referring to your statement about certain clans not living in Ethiopia but I guess that went over your head.
next time think before you post, I know it's hard with the whole fasting thing.

i don't state anything that im not aware of, i know very well who lives where and who doesn't regarding northern clans, the small fraction of ur subclans in Hawd, and that in djibouti, which is exactly why i said "almost completely". next time read carefully before u even start to think.

small, it's conevenient that you call them small, the reality is they are not small and have been living there for a very long time.



geodesic.

I would have never known that other Somalis held a negative attitude towards isaaqs, I guess some people are really good at lying cause I have been fooled. btw if everyone likes you or is smiling for you that means someone is lying.

sahan

waa ramadan ka yar qallee.

[GeoDesic]

Dooro ^up here answering salahidin

Well, the rest of somalis do not take clanism to the extreme level your ilk does

... but then again

I wouldn't second guess sacrificing an entire clan for Somalia

read , us the Isaaqs


...fuc,k outta here dooro !

Of course, To protect the sanctity of Somalia, any clan who opposes the majority's will can be sacrificed, Isaqs are not excluded. Somalia first, Clans second. Hooyadaa soo daarood ma ahan waadiga caayayee qabiilkeeda? But then again, when you come from a culture that worships clan, you have no values. You are proof of what is wrong with your Ilk.

[Samatr]

^are you serious? you saying "your ilk" but you want to promote unity.
at least hide your true intentions better.

[anonymousfaarax]

Country and people VS single Clan ---> Country and people win simple.

what country and people? shabab, PL, Galmud, ahlu sun, TF-Amisom, Azania or ximan iyo xeeb and other supposedly unionist (laughing stock) groups

[GeoDesic]

geodesic.

I would have never know that other Somalis held a negative attitude towards isaaqs, I guess some people are really good at lying cause I have been fooled.
btw if everyone likes you or is smiling for you that means someone is lying.

sahan

waa ramadan ka yar qallee.

In another words, just because majority of Somalis have contempt for your seapration dreams, you are doing something right? What a warped Logic man. Saxib, I am one of those cool somalis who doesn't give a rat's ass about Clan. With that being true and said, I have no respect for any group of Somalis who put their clan first as a tenet of their religion like your Ilk Does. It could have been Majeerteen or anotehr clan, Or Hawiye, I would still express the same contempt for them. I am above Clan mate. Somalia comes first.