The brain behind the "two-track" policy

[Somalistan]

not enough to warrant fear. There are few wicked ones out there I'm sure but not enough as I stated to cause fear and panic. The greatest wound they can inflict on somaliland is suicide blast on some important govt building.

[The_Emperior5]

ahlusuna arent they they the rag tag militia funded by ethiopia how can one compare them with somalilands army or saying they are stopping alshabaab this is crazy talk voltage has been saying alshabaab can capture somaliland for years now. As for sleeping cells there are some extreme wadaads but thats about i do not see the connection between them and shabaab and those extreme wadaads are being watched we know every little step they take, we even know when they leave the country when they return. When they take their shit if their childeren live in the diaspora etc every move.

[gurey25]

voltage has been saying this shit for years, even when he was under the maddog nick.
its a way to feel good, its a form of release..

when you know that the success of somaliland is unstoppable, but you hate it nonetheless.
all you can do is fantasize..

its no different to watching porn..

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

I swear Gurey must have dreams about PL, every other post of his is about PL lately. Firstly, Somaliland is nothing outside of their triangle without the permission of Dhulbahante sympathizers - case in point Lascanood, so being in PL territory east of central Sanaag or Taleex is a fantasy unsupported by SL's few fans outside the triangle and Awdal. The lightly armed, independent Warsangeli militia has repeatedly taught your enclave lessons, don't get ahead of yourself. Your enclave is a joke militarily, it works well only as a police force. The only armed militias inside Somalia that the UN has given special attention to in terms of alarming or serious armament are Puntland and Al-Shabaab - the rest, including your ragtag enclave, are a f-king joke that runs around in PR photos with aging shitty equipment whose last knowledgeable mechanics have long since died. You can drum up as many malnourished conscripts as you want, they might have to share rifles in the end. The amount of money that has went into PL army's clothing and helmets in the past year is larger than Somaliland's entire militia expenditure. You should be lucky you caught one of our planes in Hargeysa, at least some of your militia will look semi-professional now. One single plane, something that PL didn't even sweat, carried $298,000 in equipment in the form of boots and combat fatigues, you can't compete with that, considering that several dozen flights and 119 containers made their way into PL since the end of 2010. Quit barking and sit down.

[hargaysaay]

I swear Gurey must have dreams about PL, every other post of his is about PL lately. Firstly, Somaliland is nothing outside of their triangle without the permission of Dhulbahante sympathizers - case in point Lascanood, so being in PL territory east of central Sanaag or Taleex is a fantasy unsupported by SL's few fans outside the triangle and Awdal. The lightly armed, independent Warsangeli militia has repeatedly taught your enclave lessons, don't get ahead of yourself. Your enclave is a joke militarily, it works well only as a police force. The only armed militias inside Somalia that the UN has given special attention to in terms of alarming or serious armament are Puntland and Al-Shabaab - the rest, including your ragtag enclave, are a f-king joke that runs around in PR photos with aging shitty equipment whose last knowledgeable mechanics have long since died. You can drum up as many malnourished conscripts as you want, they might have to share rifles in the end. The amount of money that has went into PL army's clothing and helmets in the past year is larger than Somaliland's entire militia expenditure. You should be lucky you caught one of our planes in Hargeysa, at least some of your militia will look semi-professional now. One single plane, something that PL didn't even sweat, carried $298,000 in equipment in the form of boots and combat fatigues, you can't compete with that, considering that several dozen flights and 119 containers made their way into PL since the end of 2010. Quit barking and sit down.

so you consider your self an armed malitia


where there is peace there is power puntland army cant even handle the security of their land your second biggest city is burning day after day turning into little mogadisho and you are talking about standing up to sl army an army that secured 6 regions

i dont care about pl excuses soo ceshada laascaanodd it belongs to you that all what i can say

[gurey25]

I swear Gurey must have dreams about PL, every other post of his is about PL lately. Firstly, Somaliland is nothing outside of their triangle without the permission of Dhulbahante sympathizers - case in point Lascanood, so being in PL territory east of central Sanaag or Taleex is a fantasy unsupported by SL's few fans outside the triangle and Awdal. The lightly armed, independent Warsangeli militia has repeatedly taught your enclave lessons, don't get ahead of yourself. Your enclave is a joke militarily, it works well only as a police force. The only armed militias inside Somalia that the UN has given special attention to in terms of alarming or serious armament are Puntland and Al-Shabaab - the rest, including your ragtag enclave, are a f-king joke that runs around in PR photos with aging shitty equipment whose last knowledgeable mechanics have long since died. You can drum up as many malnourished conscripts as you want, they might have to share rifles in the end. The amount of money that has went into PL army's clothing and helmets in the past year is larger than Somaliland's entire militia expenditure. You should be lucky you caught one of our planes in Hargeysa, at least some of your militia will look semi-professional now. One single plane, something that PL didn't even sweat, carried $298,000 in equipment in the form of boots and combat fatigues, you can't compete with that, considering that several dozen flights and 119 containers made their way into PL since the end of 2010. Quit barking and sit down.

The difference between us is that we always deliver..
Puntland has been collecting weapons like a squirell getting ready for winter since 98.
Fuck the UN.. the UN likes to pretend that we do not exist..
i say good for them.. we have zero interest in the going on of the south.

When the SNM was starting we and the SSDF both went to gaddafi to get aid,
We only got weapons for 300 men, and called it quits because of daffy ghaddafis crazy demands,
the SSDF had no qualms and you took and took..
in 1981 we had less than 500 men under arms , you had over 3000
You had equipment that the SNM dreamed of, what did you do with it?

nothing , you surrenderd and went to adeer siyad with your tail between your legs and begged for forgiveness..
We had to rely on donations to keep going..
The bastard ethiopians made sure we payed for every bullet, they even asked for bribes for our arms smuggling convoys comming from djibouti while passing through Dire Dwa and Jijiga..

you got your shit for free...

Now the mistake you usually make is confuse somaliland policy with weakness..
Somalilands policy is to under no circumstances alienate the Dhulos and the warsans by causing massive casualties and humiliation,.
Our policy to coddle them and woo them..

The kaalshaale misstep was due to the border issue bieng very low in the priorities of SL.
The siilanyo regime had its hands full with fixing the damage of the past 8 years of UDUB rule..

If you notice the situation is not ideal but is under control..

what would be devastating is if we deploy our forces fully and capture buhodle...
it can be done, but the casualties especially civilian casualties will unite all the dhulbahante behind the SSC and sooner or later we will be kicked out of eastern sool by a mass movement..

If did it to the SNA in 1988, the same can be done to us, and the results will be the same

Full victory for SL on the ground in the shorterm, total defeat longterm.

We are not stupid, and we will not allow the SSC this opportunity to save themselves politically, if we do nothing but just react proportionally to every provocation the SSC will just die a natural death...

Have not noticed that every skirmish even with puntland numbers only less than 200 men at a time.
While there are over 6000 troops within 30 mins drive of all the skirmish points.?

All the politicians even the extremists realize this, but our extremists want to attack puntland, they want to raid over the border
to them this is acceptable because large numbers of puntland casualties is acceptable in the political formula., and this allows some muscle flexing.

siilanyo is a peacenic and is blocking all efforts.

So keep collecting weapons, and lets see how it helps you.

[Voltage]

Gurey wallahi you sometimes come off as having bipolar opinions. One time you are yourself a peacenik other times you are a warmonger.

[gurey25]

Gurey wallahi you sometimes come off as having bipolar opinions. One time you are yourself a peacenik other times you are a warmonger.

I am just educating people on reality, dealing with reality always helps the peace..
and even though i would love all of us to sit around a campfire and sing kumbaya,
i am not naive to think that we do not live in a jungle...

a peacenik in somalia is really a damn fool

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Gurey, you are running around in circles, as usual. If you have something you can prove, bring it forth, otherwise you are regurgitating a useless opinion. I stated a simple fact, backed by the report below, which goes into full detail just how deep Puntland has been arming itself as of late. NO ONE in Somalia (this includes the secessionist region), aside from Sheikh Sharif's presidential guard and of course AMISOM, has armor-plated turrets on their technicals or armored 4x4s, no one has the training that PL troops gets aside from those groups, and no one has this steady flow of ammunition and weapons from quality overseas sources. This is not about "WHAT IF" scenarios - factually, only Puntland and AMISOM are fully trained and equipped to deal with Al-Shabaab; Somaliland is not equipped to deal with such a scenario.

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.as ... S/2011/433

Pages 276 to 283 will give you in detail what you are dealing with, there's even an excerpt about your interior minister squealing about PL's training and armament despite PL not giving an iota of attention to its dormant neighbor.

[gurey25]

As i told you before the amounts mentioned are really insignificant.
The figures quoted in your link, and in other reports online, show a significant influx of weapons by current somali standards,
but it is dwarfed by the resources available already in puntland and other areas of somalia..


We do not publicize our activities, you have no choice because you are relying on the UN and working under the TFG framework,
so your activities are transparent..

In somaliland we are undergoing a process of rationalization in the armed forces.
We have too many men with limited training and too much dated equipment.
We suffer from too much equipment, and we are decommissioning allot of equipment and making our forces smaller and more efficient.

in the end training is the most important.
The anti-terrorism training provided to you is very good, but you do not have a program aimed at your entire armed forces.
We have dozens students at the harar millitary academy , and we already have graduates in medical, and mechanical and electrical engineering.
We are building the basis of a modern armed forces and we will have the only professional force in somalia within a few years.

Your pro-puntland reporter Robert young Pelton
http://www.somaliareport.com/index.php/ ... t_Released
seems to be concerned about somalilands millitary and the seceracy behind it, while he defends puntland.


In the end, dont kid yourself, a few hundred to a thousand paramilitary troops trained by PMC does not equate into an army.