Arabs were the last to abolish slavery ?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Islam is clearly against Slavery, there are many Quranic verses, Hadith that proves this, Islam suppressed slavery by encouraging the emancipation of slaves, promising . [/size]

Islam as a religion does NOT forbidd Slavery. there are many hadiith which says your slave is a your property. forexample sahiih Bukhari volume 3 hadiith book 41 hadiith number 598

hadiith was Narrated Jabir rc : A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him

in islam you can sell and buy slaves from anyone. so Islam does not forbidds slavery. Islam sees slavery as natural way of living.

[bareento]

this topic really brought out all the anti-islamist didn't it
first of all, Islam and Arab are not the same, and what an Arab does or does not do really has no relevance in Islamic Law, if an Arab rapes a woman does that mean Islam told him to do it or allowed him to do it ??? no. So why would you think Islam is behind slavery when Arabs practiced this shit long before Islam had reached them, and continued to do it despite Islam. If Arabs are your Gods then i truly feel sorry for your apes shit brains.

Islam is clearly against Slavery, there are many Quranic verses, Hadith that proves this, Islam suppressed slavery by encouraging the emancipation of slaves, promising rewards in the after life, even if someone was convicted of certain crime the emancipation of slaves were accepted as due justice. Islam also provides funding to already freed slaves, and removes the stigma the ex-slave carries by encouraging marriage with those who choose to be Muslim, giving equal rights to the slave was also something unique to Islam, the list goes on. African Americans according to Islam were not slaves because they were captured as free men who were attacked for the only purpose of enslaving them. Its embarrassing that even in a Somali forum we have to defend the religion in every topic and give Dacwa at every turn, can we not discuss topics without injecting religion.

Mujaahid, dont lie for your religion!
As a true muslim, wat is expected from u is to believe that slavery is good since God didnt forbid it That is having IMAN
Making doubtful interpretation, and twisting the religion to suit your believes is Haram...that makes u a Murtad!

U say Islam suppressed Slavery and yet u are surprised that Arabs abolished slavery in 1960s....
Mujahid are u considering the Ahlul Beyt as non Muslims

B.

[MidriGeez]

I dont believe islam intended to abolish slavery: at the time slavery being the mode of production any ideology that proclaims its abolition will be short lived!

This being said affirming that Islam wanted to abolish slavery in gradual slow way is dishonest...
No muslim society came to abolish slavery by reading Qoran and the hadiths....its under the Western pressure that ALL muslims abolished slavery!
There had never been any islamic school of thought that rejected slavery; the notable exception being a Malian scholar who wrote a treaty against it.
His people being at the receiving end...i am tempted to say he was more inspired by wat befell on his people rather than Koran and Hadiths!
I never read any modern scholar who rejected totally and radically slavery

The question is are we supposed to lie and cover up for our religion?

B.

You believe what you want to believe... lol

[MidriGeez]

Non Muslims Trolling is expected.

Laaaakin...

If you are a muslim and trolling with Islam..wayl laka thuma wayl laka.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Wherever I look in the Holy Qur'an I see,

'free your slaves'

'free them, it's a good deed that will be rewarded by Allah'

'free them if you want your sins to be forgiven'

'free the if you want to be admitted in gardens under which rivers flow'.

It's not normal to have slaves in Islam as Dr Yalaxoow mistakenly asserts and it's not perfectly legal to own slaves as warya alleges. Let us speak with some knowledge and stop misrepresenting Islam please.

Bareento the Oromo Waaqist is not worth replying to, he's known to latch onto any opportunity to unleash a barrage of his trademark vitriol against Islam.

[Keyblade]

Wherever I look in the Holy Qur'an I see,

'free your slaves'

'free them, it's a good deed that will be rewarded by Allah'

'free them if you want your sins to be forgiven'

'free the if you want to be admitted in gardens under which rivers flow'.

It's not normal to have slaves in Islam as Dr Yalaxoow mistakenly asserts and it's not perfectly legal to own slaves as warya alleges. Let us speak with some knowledge and stop misrepresenting Islam please.

Bareento the Oromo Waaqist is not worth replying to, he's known to latch onto any opportunity to unleash a barrage of his trademark vitriol against Islam.

against Islam? don't think bareento is....quite the opposite actually.

[grandpakhalif]

Wherever I look in the Holy Qur'an I see,

'free your slaves'

'free them, it's a good deed that will be rewarded by Allah'

'free them if you want your sins to be forgiven'

'free the if you want to be admitted in gardens under which rivers flow'.

It's not normal to have slaves in Islam as Dr Yalaxoow mistakenly asserts and it's not perfectly legal to own slaves as warya alleges. Let us speak with some knowledge and stop misrepresenting Islam please.

Bareento the Oromo Waaqist is not worth replying to, he's known to latch onto any opportunity to unleash a barrage of his trademark vitriol against Islam.

ES, I never thought I would say this but I agree with all you said..

[Enlightened~Sista]

You're the biggest misrepresenter of Islam, grandpa.

[grandpakhalif]

[bareento]

ES, I am shocked, flabbergasrted and mortified by your remarks!
I thought u were the last person to declare non muslim a person claiming being one!
I was more accustomed to your well argumented opinion!

ES, do u honestly believe that Islam abolished Slavery?
I would love to believe that it did abolish Slavery; but the Islamic texts, Islamic school of thoughts and most of all the practice of ALL islamic
societies point towards the opposite!

The question is wat should be our reaction against this reality: embellishing it, twisting the texts, lying etc...that is the solution u seem to adopt!
I say no, this thing is beyond me...I have to further question the religion ...explore it upto its ultimate limit!
And Islam as religion is not against exploring

As for Waaqism, as an Oromo I highly respect it...but I no longer believe in it, and I dont want oromos to revert to it either;
Waaqism is a very peaceful religion and any Waaqist will easily fell prey to the followers of other religions! That is the LESSON of history.

B.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

talking about slavery and religion does not mean bashing the religion itself. if you say Slavery is not allowed in islam then actually your commiting so called innovations. the quran there are many places which says

aw maa malakat aymaanakum

so if god wanted he could just forbidd all of it(slavery) like he did forexample alcohol and eating pork . so Slavery and having slaves is a part of Islam and quran and hadiith and no one can denied.

Wherever I look in the Holy Qur'an I see,

'free your slaves'

'free them, it's a good deed that will be rewarded by Allah'

'free them if you want your sins to be forgiven'

'free the if you want to be admitted in gardens under which rivers flow'.

It's not normal to have slaves in Islam as Dr Yalaxoow mistakenly asserts and it's not perfectly legal to own slaves as warya alleges. Let us speak with some knowledge and stop misrepresenting Islam please.

Bareento the Oromo Waaqist is not worth replying to, he's known to latch onto any opportunity to unleash a barrage of his trademark vitriol against Islam.

Yes its true quran says its good to free your slaves but unfortuantly quran does not forbid of Slavery. forexample Qur'an 4:92 according this verse freeing slave is some kind of penalty only those who kill muslim person by accident then the killers penalty is to free a Muslim Slave and pay blood money the deceased's family . it means if you do not kill anyone accidently then your allowed to keep your bleaving and non believing slaves.
this is the verse

And never is it for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake. And whoever kills a believer by mistake - then the freeing of a believing slave and a compensation payment presented to the deceased's family [is required] unless they give [up their right as] charity. But if the deceased was from a people at war with you and he was a believer - then [only] the freeing of a believing slave; and if he was from a people with whom you have a treaty - then a compensation payment presented to his family and the freeing of a believing slave. And whoever does not find [one or cannot afford to buy one] - then [instead], a fast for two months consecutively, [seeking] acceptance of repentance from Allah . And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise

[Adali]

Waaq propagator, don't call me Mujaahid, i am not worthy of that title.

The point of my topic was, if Arabs only abolished slavery a few years ago, what does that mean to the Race that acted as the main stock of the Slave trade, the Black of Ethiopia & Zanzibar. United State the West African ex-saves faced segregation, humiliation, marginalization and Racism long after slavery itself had ended. This racism exist still today in United States and it effects all people with Dark skin, i believe the same thing is true in Arab country but because they abolished slavery not so long ago, the racism and hatred against black people is much more.

[ManD333q]

slavery is thriving in many places. Just watch the al-jazeera series 'A 21s Century Evil'

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[ManD333q]

slavery is thriving in many places. Just watch the al-jazeera series 'A 21s Century Evil' with Raage Omar

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[Shirib]

I don't think slavery was officially abolished in Somalia until the kacaan. The Italians abolished it, but it still existed.