HHhhmmmm LOVELY!

[Tuushi]

Lools U make me laugh.

U r only bitter abt African men because none of them ever said " Baby,i loof u like the omena in my fufu" to u.

[Basra-]

Oh tuushi, u r soooo wrong. I am harassed by Africans on a daily basis. But I never get turned on by adoon men. Its really not my cup of tea. Adoons are not advanced for my taste. They are basics, their language is not so far from the animal kingdom, where a monkey walks by a woman, see a red a$$, and gets a clue-- she is on heat. And pursues and does his business. I am more of the advance human. Poetry, intelligence, seductions, complex feelings, analysis--gestures, gesticulations--all these attributes are missing in adoons. They are connected to nature and the basics. I cant tolerate that mediocrity macaanto.

[original dervish]

Have you ever tried spiritual regression therapy?
I think you`d be perfect example of an African savage, that was an English aristocrat in a previous life.

[Basra-]

Ori@looool


My dear how can u mix incarnation and therapy regression? its two totally different world. But I see your point. I am born aristocrat. My name would have been first ---Lady Elizabeth Fitzpatrick Arthur, then after marriage, it would have been--- Duchess Wellington Morton Devonshire, having married a duke of course.

[original dervish]

You`d probably have ended up as one of the stuffed Africans on display at the natural history museum.

[Basra-]

[quote="original dervish"]You`d probably have ended up as one of the stuffed Africans on display at the natural history museum. [/quote]


U made me laugh Ori--thanks.

[Somaliman50]

Basra, is that the pride and prejudice by Jane Austen?

Must admit, i've read some of her novels, they blew my mind Persuasion was my favourite. Wentworth was a nobody but when he rose in the social hierarchy of class in Somerset he had Elliot grovelling after him. Women must learn to appreciate a decent man when he has nothing otherwise fortune could turn in his favor and all shall be lost.

[Basra-]

abakar

Yep, it is pride and prejudice. So u like Wentworth huh? How adorable. Well, Anne wasn't groveling for Wentworth-- she just realize she did a mistake when she followed her aunts advice of dumbing a poor man. In truth, Austen wanted Wentworth to be a man before marrying her favorite heroine. U can say, they (the aunt and anne) did him a favor by rejecting him, his going out in the world in search of fortune, and came back as a man on his own ground. Anne was the best thing for him. She let him go to be a better man.


I don't like Persuasion so much, because the novel has an aora of moodiness and lacks that spark of wit and liveliness which is found in the other novels. Also, I didn't like Wentworth--as a hero-- he is subdued and has zero feelings. He came off as a ninny, grudging little mamas boy who has no testosterone. Especially, having representing the military in those days. Also, anne was older--late 20s, and Wentworth even much older. In fact, the only character I liked about the novel is Annes aunt--Lady Russell. She is my favorite Austen character, which is ironic--as I could pick lots of favorite characters from the other novels- -but I picked this one.

[Somaliman50]

I disliked Lady Russell at first, she seemed too much of a stepmother-esque character and hovering over the Elliots like an old mare. But she did have the girls best interest at heart, especially when she realised she was wrong about Wentworth. And i can't really dispute what you said of Wentworth, he fared out better after the heartbreak. You have an eye for such great critique btw

But Jane Austen's works cater for the gentry, i am more inclined to read Shakespearean material...it speaks so well and spirited of the Elizabethan era. Infact I saw a play on Othello a few years back, has to be one of the greatest theater shows i've seen, what a wrap.

[Basra-]

abakar

if you and "I" read the same Persuasion---I recall Lady Russell DID NOT 'realized she did something wrong'. IN fact, it is never addressed by Austen, which gives credit to her as author, and also to my favorite character. She stood her ground. I believe, anne merely recapped on her aunts eventual coming through to appreciate wentworth--but it was never implied it was definite. I am sure, lady Russell would always be waiting in the corner to tell her niece, I told u so. He is not worth u.


Shakespeare is alright. I am not surprised your favorite play is Othelo. A black man as the leading man or at least mentioned---of course u would embrace it. Othelo to me, was a crappy play. It showed nothing short of Shakespeare fetish for adoon men. I find its black gu.s homosexual crush offensive to say the least. My favorite Shakespeare is Much ado about nothing. Very adorable and cute. Macbeth is psychotic-- my least favorite.

[Somaliman50]

You and your cackling nature. No wonder you admire Lady Russell. Her coming round to appreciate Wentworth was my argument that she had a reasoning side to her even though she was never benevolent in any manner. Anyway i looked at Wentworth as the main protagonist and it was him who came out with the best turnout in the novel.

No comment @ the tirade against the black-folk. But question, despite your reservations for Othello, what do you think of the initial romance of Othello and Desdemona? It was worthy of appreciation before that filthy serpent Iago ruined it.

I never liked Macbeth either. Though it had a military war theme to an extent, the witchcraft and spells put it off for me. Not to mention it was so vindicative and predictable.

[Basra-]

LOLcrackling nature & tirade on black folk


Lady Russell rules in my books. I liked her entire quality. There is a line in the novel where Wentworth was seducing one of the country girl-- Louisa Musgrove. When Lady Russell heard that --she said--- not paraphrasing of course-- she said something to the line--'I am dumb founded as to the man who 8 years ago knew the 'worth' of "An Anne Eliot" should 8 years later be amused by " a Louisa Musgrove"! How can u not love such a loyal aunt???


Othelo and Desdemona's love was supposedly real. At least that is what Shakespeare wants us to believe. Othello was jealous enuf to kill when he heard she cheated on him. I guess that is proof enuf. But what I don't get it is--what is the point of the entire story? Is it to glory on the strength of an angry black physically threatening black man? Was it to show a black man naked upper muscle chest on stage? What was the point? Ridiculous.


PS Did black people exist in the 16th century in england??? Was Shakespeare talking about the Turkish?? I think they were known as the Moore--right>?

[Somaliman50]

Shakespeare has a way of setting and creating unrelated themes and making something magnificent out of it. Case in point, the Othello play was to portray the antagonism of having a military background and the setting of true love. Desdemona loved Othello deeply, so much so that she understood him more than he understood himself; he was restricted in his grasp of things because the life of a soldier sort of 'dumbed' him down, that's why his soliloquy's were not well expressed nor coherent in conveying his thoughts in literature standards. The fact it ended in a tragedy and Iago that deceitful serpent got his way really grills me even though he is executed in the end But it was a unique display of Shakespearean art; Shakespeare completely changed the phenomenom of a 'happy ending' with many of his works.

In one of the acts towards the main part of the play Iago says this,

“Our bodies are our gardens, to which our wills are gardeners; so that if we will plant nettles or sow lettuce, set hyssop and weed up thyme . . . the power and corrigible authority of this lies in our wills”

He was such a python to justify his evil scheming .

Believe it or not, black people were around for ages in the British Isles and elsewhere in Europe. Some have been present since the Roman era, infact there was a point in the 1500s when the monarchy tried to expel the black-folk.

Moors were a term to describe black people in the play, though it has a more geo-political meaning outside the literature. Othello was the Moor of Venice and they respected him due to military rank and i think he was captained to fight the Turks who were laying waste to the crusaders at the time.

[Basra-]

hhhmm abakar so u were NOT joking when u said u like Othello huh?


I know why it had to end tragically. A black man falling in love with a white woman must have been a taboo reality. I think in the eyes of the White English men--Othello dying would have been a better Happy ending. Speed forward 500 years later- in Hollywood-- it is still the same. Black people in horror movies die first, and in romantic movies with a white woman--somehow the woman dies or the black man dies. Even among blacks--the movie,Body guard with Whitney Houston--what was the excuse for the two not ending up together in the end? (aside from inserting the I will always love u song lol) One of the most compelling thing about its successes among white audience was-- Whitney Houston did not end up with Kevin Costner. Both black and white people loved the ending even though they wont admit it. I am sure-- the same applies to Shakespeare's Othello. Also--Shakespeare portrayed Othello just the same way he would have appeared in real life. If his speech or soliloquy appeared 'dumb' it was not that he was a soldier-- but that he was not a man of reading or learned man. That's the way black folks talk--upto today too. It had nothing to do with a soldiers life.(much ado play had many soldiers in it-- and their wit was staggering )

I still maintain the Othello had an element of a white man fetish to see a strong black man with a white woman. Blacks are given sexual prowess, therefore, it is natural, a weak, soft writer like Shakespeare, who was reputed to be a lover of younger boys-- would write about a strong, imposing black man as a leading hero, albeit a tragic hero. (young boys played the role of girls in those era)

PS: Shakespeare lived during the era of King James--nephew to Queen Elizabeth I, and son of Mary Stuart, Queen of the Scotts who was killed by her first cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. This king was a fan of the plays, and probably knew Shakespeare. He was reputed to be bisexual.


Overall---Much ado about nothing is my favorite. The wit in that story was fantastic. Although, I was shocked to see Danzel Washington play the part of the prince in the Kenneth Branagh version of Much ado about Nothing. It was atrocious.

[Somaliman50]

Good God you have such an imperialistic mindset, maxaa dadyowga madowga iskiin necbeysiiyey

Lol @ bisexual tendencies. King James the Stuart had a boring tenure tho, it was just renaissance and little or no politics were involved. I prefer the history of Charles and his underlying love for royal prerogative and how Cromwell turned the country into a republic because of the instigated war.

I haven't read Much Ado about nothing...will definitely bring it up for discussion if i get time to read it.

Habeen wanaagsan Lady Basra.