Why its wise to keep a neutral stance to Pan-Africanism

[Spec2014]

Many cultures benefit greatly from having a neutral stance on issues of geopolitics & race. I have seen the growing prosperity in these cultures,peoples & regions who haven't taken a neutral stance on race or certain controversy. For example North Africa is a sub region of Africa were the majority of the populous doesn't identify with Sub-Saharan or "Black" Africa.They after all have a large Eurasian admixture & are physically & cultural different to their counter parts in Sub-Saharan Africa.The North is much more prosperous then the South. Before the recent "Arab spring" it has also had a much better security situation.This region of Africa has held an ambiguous Identity which is neither fully Arab nor fully African.Because of this it has had more options & has been courted by both the West & Arab world to their benefit!

Another region which has held a similar ambiguous stance is South America. With large indigenous as well as a European & African populations. South America not being aligned with any particular "race" without any alliance or opposition to any other group has enjoyed relative peace in recent years.This has translated in one of the fastest growing regions in the world with vast resources & without any ongoing racial or ethnic wars like in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa.The economy in South America has been growing rapidly & its infrastructure has been developing rapidly as well.

Now lets get back to Somalia all though "Black" African we are treated with great hostility by the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. Many of our fellow "Black" Africans since our fall from grace in the late 80's to early 90's have been hell bent on tearing us limb from limb. We Somalis are a lamb in front of a pack of hungry hyenas. Our Blackness has been utterly useless! Also our membership in the "Arab League" hasn't been with-out its pitfalls either...We Somali's as an ethnicity don't have much in common with the vast majority of Africa. Pan Africanism hasn't done a thing for us but help to fragment us as a people. I think it's time we started Identifying our self's simply as Somali's & scrap this whole foolish suicidal idea of "Black Africa". What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander! Hence from here forth we should strike out on our path as a independent culture which is neither entirely "Arab" nor "Black". Why not use the "racial hierarchy" to our advantage, like the cultures I mentioned above who have substantial black populations??? Why peg our self's with the predominantly "Bantu" south??? Amazing yet is they are mostly "Christan" so therefore have "Out Trumped" us in that regard! Don't you notice how "Hamitic" Ethiopia is given substantially more assistance then the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa even with it's systematic issues?? Also do you notice that "European" superpowers the U.S included firmly stand behind Ethiopia even through all its faults??? They have "Out Trumped" the "Bantu" south with both the "Racial hierarchy" & "Christian" cards!

We have to play smart & get out of the same old rut that continues to hold us back!! Black Africa isn't & never was for our best interest!! They have one over us which is the religion "Trump card" ie. "Christianity" which brings them closer to the planetary powers that be...We have even a greater "Trump" card which is race!! We are either going to get bred out & overrun by the fast growing "Conogoloids" as our homeland is kept in a stagnant state of war or we resist...You don't necessarily have to believe in "Racial hierarchy" card but you can be intelligent enough to realize its useful potential?? So are we going to continue down this same path of genocide pegged to Sub-Saharan (Bantu) Africa & eventual be engulfed by them??? As they grow in numbers our people die by the 10's of thousands??? Can we continue to withstand this demographic war of attrition that is grossly stacked against us??? Black Africans roast our men in their countries & rape our women with flagrant impunity!!! They don't want us to stand on our 2 feet!! That's why they have kept us down for so long!! Do you not realize a wolf in sheep's clothing when you see it???


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[Bermooda]

^Me neither but one thing is for sure it didn't do Somalia any good except make unnecessary powerful enemies who still hold grudges against us till this day so Fcuk Pan-Africanism

[Spec2014]

If there is one thing we as Somali's have learned during this last 20 years. Its that Sub-Saharan Africans have clearly demonstrated that we Somali's are not considered one of the boys!

[original dervish]

I don`t think we`re treated with hostility in Africa.
Millions of us are being given shelter and education in Kenya/Ethiopia.

Compare that to the Arab countries who toss us into the sea.
Our future lays in Africa....not Arabia.

[Insomniac]

I would fuck that goose so f-king hard.

[Insomniac]

Wait, is it a duck? I don't swing that way. It is a big NO to ducks. Fuck them. Self-righteous cunts.

[Spec2014]

I don`t think we`re treated with hostility in Africa.
Millions of us are being given shelter and education in Kenya/Ethiopia.

Compare that to the Arab countries who toss us into the sea.
Our future lays in Africa....not Arabia

Considering Somalia is on the African Continent...no shit?? Ethiopians & Kenyans actually DO treat us relatively better compared with rest of Africa...But this isn't with-out a downside! I think you missed a great deal of my thread. Where I made it clear that neither "Arabs" nor "Sub-Saharan" Africans have looked out for our interest! The atrocities that sub-Saharan Africans brought against innocent Somali refugees are far worse then those inflicted by the Arabs....Those who die out at sea die because of negligence of one sort or another. It seems Somalis at times can be too single minded & not absorb a great deal with-out someone having to have the information compartmentalized.I covered a great deal on this thread...I digress.

[original dervish]

Your post was far too long to digest my friend.....I`m on down time.

Listen lets just examine these salient facts.....Millions of us are allowed to settle, grow and thrive in the neighboring African countries.
Sure, some of us get killed by the Bantu....but compare that to how many of us who die at the hands of other Somali`s.

The solution to our exodus and exile lays in our own hands.
No point in criticising other peoples and countries when we plan atrocities against each other night and day.

[Spec2014]

Your post was far too long to digest my friend.....I`m on down time.

The solution to our exodus and exile lays in our own hands.
No point in criticising other peoples and countries when we plan atrocities against each other night and day.

No there wasn't any particular criticizing of individual nations or peoples...I think you took certain details of my thread to at wholesale value....I was simply expressing my ideas as it pertains to Pan-Africansim. You're on a different wave length though....

[Spec2014]

I don't understand the point of responding to a thread with-out thoroughly reading it?? Anything short of that is tantamount to mindless spamming.

[original dervish]

Son....If I`m gonna read an essay I will go to an online journal.....not snet forums.
Well done though.....you have displayed good industry.

[Cergavo]

I read this post, of course. Stop posting "Didn't read" if you have nothing to add to the discussion.

Op, what the hell is it you're getting at? I thought I understood you at first, but as I read on it became evident to me that you have a weak understanding of geopolitics. You're either misconstruing the fact of the matter and you expect your audience to know less than you do, or you're conflating your meager understanding of the situation with your entirely unfounded presuppositions of how the world works. I swear, I expect writing like that from middleschool students. It wouldn't matter, if I didn't get the impression that you're serious about this topic. Now I'm not simply typing to put you down, but I'd like you to know that the way in which you discussed the topic is in no way convincing.

When discussing politics quit oversimplifying and ignoring all of the nuanced stances one can take on this position. It's not Pan-Africanism or no Pan-Africanism, unless you're disusing isolationism, which I think we can all agree is a ridiculous notion. You don't properly even begin to define what you mean by Pan-Africanism. Clearly it's not all akumbai and hugs and kisses. But if we're looking at whether or not it's a good idea for Somalia to establish economic links with it's much more successful neighbors so it can actually begin to attempt to join the modern world, of course, but then that topic would have to be discussed at length, and as to how you would begin building a Somali economy. Understand that Somalia, unlike most countries, is essentially a blank slate in terms of infrastructure (if you want simplification).

The ideals of Pan-Africanism are relative mutual prosperity. That Somali and its neighbors should deal a bit more with one another. I mean, it's pretty much impossible to avoid Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti if you want Somalia to function as a proper state. Then there's the topic of China, which if you really look at it, is more or less impeding Somalia's ability to interact with its neighbors by more and more supplying more and more of Somalia's imports. One may think that it's a better idea to diversify rather than let a country of China begin to gain that large of a hold over your economy.

Your mentions of race and religion are the most pointless. It's not the f-king dark ages. You will undoubtedly have to deal with people of all races and religions. Does it matter? Your positions on the matter come off incredibly racist and bigoted. Then again, I may simply have read your post in the wrong tone of voice. I'm not claiming to know the situation very well, but the way you address it is so utterly out of touch with the reality of the matter. Understand, I'm replying in hopes of raising the standards of this community. We can't have shit like this pass as legitimate political analysis. It's the type of stuff I came up with in the eighth grade.

[Spec2014]

I read this post, of course. Stop posting "Didn't read" if you have nothing to add to the discussion.

Op, what the hell is it you're getting at? I thought I understood you at first, but as I read on it became evident to me that you have a weak understanding of geopolitics. You're either misconstruing the fact of the matter and you expect your audience to know less than you do, or you're conflating your meager understanding of the situation with your entirely unfounded presuppositions of how the world works. I swear, I expect writing like that from middleschool students. It wouldn't matter, if I didn't get the impression that you're serious about this topic. Now I'm not simply typing to put you down, but I'd like you to know that the way in which you discussed the topic is in no way convincing.

When discussing politics quit oversimplifying and ignoring all of the nuanced stances one can take on this position. It's not Pan-Africanism or no Pan-Africanism, unless you're disusing isolationism, which I think we can all agree is a ridiculous notion. You don't properly even begin to define what you mean by Pan-Africanism. Clearly it's not all akumbai and hugs and kisses. But if we're looking at whether or not it's a good idea for Somalia to establish economic links with it's much more successful neighbors so it can actually begin to attempt to join the modern world, of course, but then that topic would have to be discussed at length, and as to how you would begin building a Somali economy. Understand that Somalia, unlike most countries, is essentially a blank slate in terms of infrastructure (if you want simplification).

The ideals of Pan-Africanism are relative mutual prosperity. That Somali and its neighbors should deal a bit more with one another. I mean, it's pretty much impossible to avoid Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti if you want Somalia to function as a proper state. Then there's the topic of China, which if you really look at it, is more or less impeding Somalia's ability to interact with its neighbors by more and more supplying more and more of Somalia's imports. One may think that it's a better idea to diversify rather than let a country of China begin to gain that large of a hold over your economy.

Your mentions of race and religion are the most pointless. It's not the f-king dark ages. You will undoubtedly have to deal with people of all races and religions. Does it matter? Your positions on the matter come off incredibly racist and bigoted. Then again, I may simply have read your post in the wrong tone of voice. I'm not claiming to know the situation very well, but the way you address it is so utterly out of touch with the reality of the matter. Understand, I'm replying in hopes of raising the standards of this community. We can't have shit like this pass as legitimate political analysis. It's the type of stuff I came up with in the eighth grade.

This thread appears to be died on arrival. Each person seems to have their own built in views, agendas & points to make...So instead of looking at what is before them....They look at their clip board & start scratching off things that don't line up to their "built" in view points. This thread has become a complete waste of time on my part.This highlights one of the many reasons why Somali's can't come to any sort of agreement or cooperation! Everyone is either right or wrong...Black & white is the mode of operation...Speaking of junior high school their are varies soul ages of mankind & Somalis like most people from 3rd world countries have limited grasp of things due to their (Infant & Child) soul level...There are a few old & mature souls sprinkled in these 3rd world societies who are on a higher & different wave length.So I am not at all surprised that a younger soul individual will stick to finite & limited things to try & make sense of what I wrote here...It goes beyond simple finite understand but I digress! This as been an utter failure! Thanks for your time in responding though. From here out I'll stick to finite threads.

[MrSinister]

Black Africans roast our men in their countries & rape our women with flagrant impunity!!! They don't want us to stand on our 2 feet!! That's why they have kept us down for so long!! Do you not realize a wolf in sheep's clothing when you see it???

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I say we fight fire with fire brother! they roast our men? we Kentucky fry theirs! they f.uck our women? we fuck 4 of theirs!!

no naxariis! lets do it!!!