Somaliland-Somalia Talk Final Communique

[Even123]

You are r7ght meyle, very disappointed with silanyo, sitting in the meeting just gossiping, is this some sort of joke. Just today one insider, dunno his name said the truth to what happened indoors..
they havent agreed on anything, they're just convincing the sl officials to keep talks secret, till its time for them to break it down to sl citizens that the quest is over for independence.
I feel that sl made a bad move in even contacting with them in the first place.

[Meyle]

Hodan,


If that would happen, God forbid, I'll be first in line to murder Silaanyo and his entire ministry.

[Hodan94]

I lost hope of the current govt not the sl constitution, dont worry sl will still stand tall, part of democracy is to talk about the flaws of the govt, not picking ak47.
You should be worried about the planned trusteship in somalia, a women speaking at universal tv mentioned that many areas and xeebos in banaadir is taken by foreigners, made and secured their own district where somalis cannot enter, like apartheid.
u Should worry about that.

[samatar133]

guys, calm down
Somaliland's quest for recognition has never been more realistic than now.
A road-map to resolve the main issue of the dispute which is separation or unity will sketched at some time in this year and a mechanism to overcome the inevitable deadlocks will be agreed. There is where the external mediation will be made possible and if this stage is reached things will turn to our favor, I believe. At the moment, Walaweyns seem to be content at playing a delaying tactic until they gather strength but we have our own strategies too. Let us observe things step by step, there will be many twists and turns but I am very confident that we are on the right direction so far.

[Khalid Ali]

Guys the talks are at square one the walanweyns want to prolong it for aslong as they can , now in the last communique, they just endorsed the air space agreement and the so called atrocities but the latter is not import for us Somalilanders because if your read the communique it makes things unclear it condemns general afweyne and his crimes but he includes the walanweyns and in particular Somalilanders. What our negotiators missed its Somalia that committed these crimes we dont care if afweyene committed crimes against walanweyns from a Somaliland point of view. I cant believe the iidoor missed that point only Sultan faisel saw the error, The road map is oke its a frame work its a start but it should have been done in the First talks , Dr Bidaar messed things up. But for now the Talks are still not interesting we need arbitrators ,an expert team of mediators i give wasiir biix one thing that he evaluated the talks the secretariat in Turkey will conference with the international community on the progress and inform the six countries that came up with these Talks. We need to move fast forward to the arbitrator level of these talks if you listen tot the walanweyn wasiir he wanted to talk still about gogol xaadh and what not he said Gogol xaar by the way I agree with Wasiir Biixi we in Somaliland have no time to waste i believe we have the right path but we must remain vigilant and precise when dealing with the sacmaalian crooks of the south

[samatar133]

Wasiir Biixi iyo kooxdiisa in la amaano mooye sabab lagu dhaliilaa ilaa hada meesha ma taalo. Waxa nasiib daro ah in Somalilanders badani aany fahansanayn in la abuuro khilaaf sababa in meesha lagu kala kaco oo wada hadalku burburo tiiyoo wali aan la kala saxeexan heshiis si cad u qeexaya qaabka khilaafaadka iyo deadlocks loo xalinayo marka ay yimaadaan, in aanay faa'ido inoo lahayn ka Somaliland ahaan.

[Khalid Ali]

Samatar dont get me wrong i support the talks i believe its important for us to sit with the walanweyns and that these talks should be used for our interest how ever the walanweyns want to prolong these talks and never discuss anything substantial its good that Biixi set some foundations and a road map to a final settlement but what needs to be addressed is the core contention of our conflict Somalia and Somaliland and our future relations. The walo's want to hold these talks and talks and continue the talks about talks, we should cut the talks short and use other methods and alternatives to bring in the legal and arbitrators so that it can be settled. How long do you think the talks about talks can continue?

[sahal80]

One of the good things shaykh sharif done was making it in turkey, as long as the talks are based in turkey it will serve mogadishu. Turkey don't even give this to their kurds and the ruling islamic party adds this all being muslim brothers!

I think faysal waraabe was right he may liked it in a westren places, these countries only care about their economical interests. Turkey cares too but its islmaic market policy is based on a strong muslim unity from a country level to a muslim world-wide level.

[skywalker25]

One of the good things shaykh sharif done was making it in turkey, as long as the talks are based in turkey it will serve mogadishu. Turkey don't even give this to their kurds and the ruling islamic party adds this all being muslim brothers!

I think faysal waraabe was right he may liked it in a westren places, these countries only care about their economical interests. Turkey cares too but its islmaic market policy is based on a strong muslim unity from a country level to a muslim world-wide level.

Loooool

You are clutching straws my friend and trying to put a positive spin on something that is going the wrong direction. The end product of these talks or any other talks will be the formal seperation of Somaliland, the other alternative is another war. Something you dont have the money manpower or stomach for after 20 odd years of war...

The futures bright the futures

[Even123]

One of the good things shaykh sharif done was making it in turkey, as long as the talks are based in turkey it will serve mogadishu. Turkey don't even give this to their kurds and the ruling islamic party adds this all being muslim brothers!

I think faysal waraabe was right he may liked it in a westren places, these countries only care about their economical interests. Turkey cares too but its islmaic market policy is based on a strong muslim unity from a country level to a muslim world-wide level.

Loooool

You are clutching straws my friend and trying to put a positive spin on something that is going the wrong direction. The end product of these talks or any other talks will be the formal seperation of Somaliland, the other alternative is another war. Something you dont have the money manpower or stomach for after 20 odd years of war...

The futures bright the futures

,....this is one of the many reasons why no-one takes you guys serious!

War is not the solution, if you dislike your opponent OUT-WIT THEM, anyway thinking about defeating the southerners itself is an exaggerated vivid imagination!

[BigBreak]

even123 y do u cross dress into a hawiye when ur really a servile mj faggot who instead of saving ur own pirate enclave from destruction u get bothered by the inevitable split of s/l and the colonization of zoomalia by fufus lmao

dont let the usc militant think he raped ur mum and ur his kid lol u harti mistake

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

even123 y do u cross dress into a hawiye when ur really a servile mj faggot who instead of saving ur own pirate enclave from destruction u get bothered by the inevitable split of s/l and the colonization of zoomalia by fufus lmao

dont let the usc militant think he raped ur mum and ur his kid lol u harti mistake

[Khalid Ali]

One of the good things shaykh sharif done was making it in turkey, as long as the talks are based in turkey it will serve mogadishu. Turkey don't even give this to their kurds and the ruling islamic party adds this all being muslim brothers!

I think faysal waraabe was right he may liked it in a westren places, these countries only care about their economical interests. Turkey cares too but its islmaic market policy is based on a strong muslim unity from a country level to a muslim world-wide level.

Sahal saaxib turkey is a no factor they are mere facilitators in these talks the fundemantal dispute can be discussed any where the turks are not mediators so their influence is limited they have played a good role so far the six European state that initiated these talks will be informed by the secretariat that was set up. Turkey doesnt give shit about Muslim unity and what not its all about Economic neootoomanism its all about generating more Economic influence. Dont be Gullible sahal Turks are a regional power house in Asia and have a thriving Economy and they need to expand. Somalia and Somaliland talks are interesting and they get interesting every single time both sides have cards in their hands on Somalia side they want to prolong these talks until they ready they cannot step out of these talks because the only way they can do that is if it fails and they dont want that because thant he talks will have different Phase. And Somaliland wants to talk about the fundamental dispute between the 2 countries but with the newly formed Secretariat in instanbul the six nations will be briefed about progress and shortcomings on either sides Eventually we need gar qaades or mediators to reach a settlement out of this dead lock , no side will compromise on its initial stance. Engineer Yarisow said it self the Government Somalia spokesmen it will get to a referendum on Independence for Somaliland , but Somalia wants to dictate that time they suggested 10 years , Somaliland rejected this either way Somaliland will reach its ultimate goal what we are discussing is the timing and when. When you sahal say if Somaliland breaks away officially Somalia will be a failed country non of the Somalilanders got what you really meant by it. Somaliland is the most stable most functioning most democratic and well organized part of the Former Defunct Somali republic . Somalia wants to use this success to get back on its to feet to That Somalia is not a failed state and there are success parts of the former Somali republic , signing off Somaliland will make Somalia indeed look bad in the eyes of the world just another failed nation with no success. And i can understand Somalias point of view , but Somalia themselves are playing a difficult game because the longer they rprolong a settlement the badder the future nation to nation relations will be between the 2 countries. A better solution is if Somalia agrees to Somaliland as a sovereign independent nation with full recognition and Somaliland and Somalia set cooperative assistance agreement that Somaliland remains committed to Somalia in terms of security and assists with conflict resolution in Somalia, the movement of people deploys police and all of that. The cooperation on paper signed in ankara last year are just on paper they dont hold water in the long term i mean for 10 years Somaliland will sub contract its Foreign policy to the Foreign policy of Somalia. All in all i believe Minister Biixi is a senior diplomat and understand what is at stake in here he worked Years in Sudan in conflict raged countries. and understand where the negotiations are headed to. Somaliland cant have a better chief negotiator.

[sahal80]

One of the good things shaykh sharif done was making it in turkey, as long as the talks are based in turkey it will serve mogadishu. Turkey don't even give this to their kurds and the ruling islamic party adds this all being muslim brothers!

I think faysal waraabe was right he may liked it in a westren places, these countries only care about their economical interests. Turkey cares too but its islmaic market policy is based on a strong muslim unity from a country level to a muslim world-wide level.

Loooool

You are clutching straws my friend and trying to put a positive spin on something that is going the wrong direction. The end product of these talks or any other talks will be the formal seperation of Somaliland, the other alternative is another war. Something you dont have the money manpower or stomach for after 20 odd years of war...

The futures bright the futures

Separation is not up to you neither unity is up to us! What was you were you doing in there if the separation was up to you? Not a common sense to me!

There is now a different approach on the table, no somaliland statehood or midnimada muqadaska thanks to the visions of the economist silanyo and hassan sheekhs friendly unity!

Yes the place of the talks serves us well and is a disastrous to you, there will be a secratariat from the both sides that will be based in turkey who wants to have a foot in both camps and with its help these guys will come up with idea ans solution

Turkey having a consolute in hargeysa under the auspices of their embassy in mogadishu indicates this!

What is likely to happen is to achieve a conditional unity with self determination(referendum wich could take ages after some form of power sharing)

Here the somali govt has a hiden agenda wich is not all gobolada waqooyi are onto independence even ismail booobaa says not all waqooyi are separatists!

The world is now recognizing the somali govt with a lot of ambassadors arriving each month, this is not about the current setuation but the future, these countires like japan who knows there is nothing in somalia now are competing to have a foot in this country who may have a great future...these coutries think ahead for 50 years

there is no OIL&GAS confirmation in somalia now, every region can sign OIL&GAS expoloration contracts but they are looking for a govt who can sign eventually the OIL&GAS contracs/deals once it was found. Turkey is one of them and is preparing for that day! This why the talks are economically motivated and you will get some basic reconstructions

once the stability is back to so the south, the somaliland independence claim will not be heard bc one of its two factors is having stability while the south doesn't!.

All these factors can eventually change the agendas!.

Wassalam.

Thanks ustaad khalid for the analysis.

[Khalid Ali]

Sahal you are right the government in Somalia wants to have a foot in Somaliland but the Secretariat is mostly briefing and keeping the talks on an update for the countries and the international community, its true that Somalia is gaining allot of diplomatic muscle from western country despite the shortcomings. I believe the later will not have allot of complications for Somaliland, there are economic interest in the region. Somalia at any cost cannot give into Somaliland demands while its not in control proper control of their territory this will be a big weakness on their side but they could use Somaliland to eventuate their status. ismaciil Buuba lost it , i cam to the conclusion he is the one who is feeding Southerners that Somaliland is held hostage by separatists leaders and that the overall majority of Somalilanders was unity if that was the case SNM would have never declared independence its always the other way around the majority 97% of the people want separation the politicians were the closest unionist including cigaal and silanyo. The talks right now is for Somalia not good the talks for Somaliland is great , because they are using both the talks for their interests and their separate Foreign policy. The talks for Somalia would be great if the talks were started in 3 years time that would be perfect for Somalia time is of the essence in these crucial times.