does puntland represent the ethiopian vision 4 somalia?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Sahal, if you had the choice what would you go for instead of federalism?

I'm against any tribal governance, tribal based states/tribal parties etc


Secondly I'm for decentralized governance but not federalism, sort of the local governments/regional authorities/county councils that exisit in europe except for germany and switzerland

Switzerland is a federacy bc of her languages and ethnicities

Germany bc it was never united historically rather there were many states until a century ago then you got the ideological division and being divided by the super powers

Federalism is for people who share no culture, language etc.

Ethiopia had this ethnic-based federalism so she suggested a similar form for somalia wich is a clan-based federalism

Economically, the ethiopian regions are better but there's no democracy and are controlled by one party who uses the army

Even this role of the state ethiopia don't want for somalia!

The clan-based federalism in somalia is very dangerous bc galbahaarey will be managed by kismayo and connected to her, the same thing goes to every town and village

We will have a new generations that don't share common culture and identity

In this system we can have local governments and common political life such as the parties etc

Plus each region/province can have local authorities instead of fighting on one administration
Kenya has this system
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_au ... s_of_Kenya

I agree. In Somalia with federalism, nobody wins and everybody loses. In somalia it would encourage petty tribal fiefdoms who hate eachother and are jealous of one another. Of course Ethiopia wants somali federalism, that means it can control these petty fiefdoms more easily and doesn't have to answer to a centralized capital and government.

[sahal80]

Sahal, if you had the choice what would you go for instead of federalism?

I'm against any tribal governance, tribal based states/tribal parties etc


Secondly I'm for decentralized governance but not federalism, sort of the local governments/regional authorities/county councils that exisit in europe except for germany and switzerland

Switzerland is a federacy bc of her languages and ethnicities

Germany bc it was never united historically rather there were many states until a century ago then you got the ideological division and being divided by the super powers

Federalism is for people who share no culture, language etc.

Ethiopia had this ethnic-based federalism so she suggested a similar form for somalia wich is a clan-based federalism

Economically, the ethiopian regions are better but there's no democracy and are controlled by one party who uses the army

Even this role of the state ethiopia don't want for somalia!

The clan-based federalism in somalia is very dangerous bc galbahaarey will be managed by kismayo and connected to her, the same thing goes to every town and village

We will have a new generations that don't share common culture and identity

In this system we can have local governments and common political life such as the parties etc

Plus each region/province can have local authorities instead of fighting on one administration
Kenya has this system
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_au ... s_of_Kenya

I agree. In Somalia with federalism, nobody wins and everybody loses. In somalia it would encourage petty tribal fiefdoms who hate eachother and are jealous of one another. Of course Ethiopia wants somali federalism, that means it can control these petty fiefdoms more easily and doesn't have to answer to a centralized capital and government.

[Caesar]

Actually.
Hajj Shermarke was a Turkish figure head nothing more, he was put in by the Turks then replaced by them. He was placed as a puppet in 1848 A.D ,you have the dates and times wrong again.


He was disposed of afterwards in 1855 A.D after trying to rob a litte canfaari caravan, which is what road side bandits do, not really business man big wig type behaviour which does play into his puppet role, he just did what the Turks told him to do, but he couldn't stop his bandit behaviour and was then ousted, can't put a pig in a suit. He had to pay a fortune of 3000 to live in shitty aden forever for robbing a stupid canfaari caravan. Hilarious. I think his entire family had to raise the money.


The truth is, Hajj Shermake was a puppet who got replaced and fined big time, Zaylac was the main port of the north only until Djibouti City's port was developed, and the railway between Addis and Djibouti was being developed, did Djibouti took over Zaylac's port role. It was the year 1901-1903 when the rail line was developed and Zaylac's decline started.

By 1905 Djibouti city took over Zaylac's role of the main Port of the north.

Zaylac is just a small town now. But it's history will shine forever and it's culture will last for more generations to come.

Anything against these facts is a clear lie and historical fallacies. The past is the past anyways, but a little free education has not hurt anyone

The Fresh Prince has spoken.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Ethiopia dont want united Somalia. If one thing they oppose more than anything it is a united Somalia.
You really think Ethiopia wants to loose their vassal states like maamulka waqooyi galbeed and maamulka bari? This is their dream from 70's and 80's that became reality.

The Ethiopian Agenda is being carried out by these two maamuls.


Federalism is corpse and will never work.
All somalis wants centralism and to unite behind one amiir.

[Caesar]

It was not. Habar Yonis had no presence there. That is both historically inaccurate and geographically doesn't make sense. If you said Habar Awal that would be more believable quit clowning, you aren't from galbeed. This dude is a rebel without a cause or common sense.

Secondly it was self-sustain because it was a commercial/trading hub then. It didn't need anything from the English. They merely packed their bags and headed to Berbera.

Zaylac port was merely abandoned for the Djibouti one. It's pretty much a ghost town now.

True.

[Estarix]

I dont agree with the version of federalism Puntland is pushing for but as a system i think its a great idea because it niullifeis many of the problems that have caused the country to break up.
Federalism gives us the opportunity to pretty much squash 90% of the grievances/reasonings why the civil war began in the first place in 1980s. This is giving self control and a platform for a voice to independent somali clan units, fairly giving opportunity for national development across the country (instead of a few city), minimising the monopoly of power in one clan's hands and others. Now i realise that some of these can be met with a decentralised system but that is always a shaky path to take and federalism virtually ensures most problems can be squashed.
I dont understand why Ethiopia needs to always be factored and given precedence over reconstructing the country; its its true Ethiopia will oppose somali irrendetism but i dont think somalia will ever towards that path and i dont think it should (atleast within next 20-30 years).

I notice that what people like to jump over is the clan factor as if it can be killed in a fortnight, but thats a moronic way to look at things. The the reality is that it is and will remain a primary and integral identity and issue for the common somali.
Until clan becomes nothing in the society then i suggest somalia takes federal route.

[THE_TRUTH1]

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Abdiwali mahamed Ali Gaas somal isku qowmiya mahaa Ethiopian qowmiyaad federalism suits Somalia




SAHAL was right