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Jabuutawi wrote:
Djiboutian wrote:
Jabuutawi wrote:Pretenders to the name "Djibouti" are purveyors of prevarications. There is no truth to their posts but malice toward Ciise clan.

OP: If you want to know more about Xeerka Ciise, there are few authentic Djibouti authors who wrote books about our Xeer out there you can Google -- mostly likely in French but there are few English translated material.
Pretenders to the name "Djibouti" ... Purveyors of prevarications .... Malice toward Ciise Clan!!

I don't need a book written by someone who heard about Xeer Ciise after the death of Ugaas Hassan in 1994. I knew Ugaas Xasan (Rahimahu Allah).

Mind telling me when was Xeer Ciise written according to the books you mentioned?

P.S. I don't actually know you but I'm more Djiboutian than 99.9% of Djibouti citizens and residents and if you think that my posts are not truth and is nothing but malice toward Ciise Clan you have to prove it.
Assumption is the mother of all screw ups, as said so eloquently once. Just because you knew of Ugaas Hassan (I will give you the benefit of the doubt) does not in and of itself give you the authority on Ciise jurisprudence. I find that rather amateurish in nature.

I will get you the full story on Xeer Ciise in due time. Let me survive my courses this semester and you will hear back from me once I have the time to respond to unsubstantiated "facts".

What is a fact is Ciise is over a million lives that settle an area the size of Virginia, if not more.

To the person who said Ciise and Afar are a confederation: If you mean in the sense they share a country, I suppose we can stretch the truth a bit and state the case of confederation. It is, however, preposterous to say we share same ethnicity.

Furthermore, do not conflate the word ethnicity with race --- two separate meanings.

Ciise being part and parcel of Abgal (I heard of this) and Marexan (never heard of this), not in literal sense. That is just a nickname, magac ku dheer, nothing more or less. Just like there are few other subclans with the name Ciise in their ancestry does not constitute there were once part of the larger Ciise clan.

Xeer Ciise started roughly 800 to 1,000 years ago. I extrapolate these numbers from the number of Ugaas. If each reigned 25 years to 50 years, plausible in many estimates, my figures are correct.[/quote]

800-1000 years ago!! :roll: :roll:

Go finish your course and get back to me. I'll be waiting for your reply although I doubt you have something to add.
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sahal80 wrote:
zumaale wrote:
sahal80 wrote:You guys think every arab country is made up of one original tribe?

Check out these famous egypian people who have foreing origins

Former egyptian president morsi is not an original egyptian, he's falastini from a bedouin clan him and um kaltoum, amar diab, abdihalim hafiz
http://www.thirdpower.org/PrinterFriend ... rtid=73606

This man hails from yemen from the same family of the former yemen speaker
Abdullah al-Ahmar http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Ahmar

Abdullah ibn Husayn al-Ahmar http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah ... n_al-Ahmar


Somalis need to reduce their clan bullshit, ciise is ciise and biimaal is biimaal!

Isko dhaqan iyo af xataa maha!!
waa runtada hadeertan wa kala dhaqan iyo af laakin hal odey iyo hal deegan weey ka so jeedan. Biimaalka konfuurta wexey yimaadhen labo ila sedex booqol saano kahoor markey ciise dagal lagalen. Abtiirisku iyo taarikh mala inkiro kaaro.

Tuusal ahan qoolada ka dhalate ila Filtu weey deegan. Qaar Degoodi waad ka haleysa laakin asalkooda mu dhuumin. Hadaad aragtid wexey ku oronayan Xawaadle baan ehe.
I didn't deny the common origin like I gave examples of the arab mixed societies, I'm just saying each should stick like them to its current society and state

You see egypt was ruled by a guy who share origins with al rashayida clan who can be dound in eritrea too? They r from hijaz and falastin

Yes I know big section of dagodia is hawadle they r called reer gadiid the founders of beergadid town at matabaan.

Gugundhabe and hawadle r cousins so no problem.
Maa manta ayo walawyne cashar ku sabsaan Beesha Ciise ee marinaya?!! Wale waa yaab.

Do yourself a favor and try to find any evidence that proves you are Hawiye dhalad ah.

P.S. Al RashidI was a ruling tribe in North & Central of Saudi and they have nothing to do with Hajiz which was ruled by Ashraf or Falastin. Mohamed Mursi hails from Al Ayad family and he is not Rashidi. Al Rashidi moved to Eastern Sudan and Eritrea when they lost their territories to Al Saud. As for the Syrian Abdullah Al Ahmar he is not even Arab but Turkish and he is not related to Al Ahmar family in Yemen. One more thing, Degodia and Gerri tribes are more Oromo than Somali and they have their language and lineage prove it. Hadi aad shaki qabtiid go to Mandhera in NFD or Liban in Mamulka Somalida Ethiopia and ask their elders.
zumaale wrote:Ciise are pure Somalis, sons of Madoobe Dir Aji Irir Samaale. There are sheegads among them as their folklore clearly differentiates between Ciise and Ciise So Raac. However, to say they are distinct from their Samaale kin or to suggest they are Afar or subordinate to Southern clans such as Abgal or Mareexan in lineage is, pardon my French, BS.
Maxaad tidhi "Madoobe Dir Aji Irir Samaale". War ma waxaan ku yidhi magacyaada Jiinka ee tiri?

This is what happen when Sheegato call others Sheegato.
Warsheekh wrote:ok well thats what the ciise dude told me. He is mamasan abgaal and he knew alot about the Abgaal sub clan.
Say that to Mr. President Ismail Omar Geele and he will end welfare that Djibouti send to Somaliya.

It was in 1991 when the first Abgaal travelled outside his own tuulo and it was to Daadab Refuuge Camp and now you are claiming Beesha Ciise. Wale waa yaab :shock: :shock:
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LOOOOL. dadaab kulaha ninyaho ma jebertiga nagu khaldeysa WTF. Sxb i got ciise friends who admitt themselves waceysle abgaal were very active in the business field in Djibouti during the kacaan. Most of the konfurian business men were waceysle.
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Walaalayaal, it is not out of the realm of possibility to have two subclans of the same name yet belong to different clans. Ciise Mudulood (Hawiye), Ciise Maxamuud (Daarood), and Ciise Madoobe (Dir) all share the same name. They're not all the same Ciise. This, of course, is for those who believe all the tribes I just mentioned are ethnically Somali. Djiboutian, I'm not here to make you believe you're Somali so spare me the hate walaal, the Ciise people are quite nice people. Zumaale: war ninyahoo maalin walbo wax cusub baa kaa baranaa, keep it up walaal. Shacabka Soomaaliyeed ha is bartaan oo ha is jeclaadaan, ee taariikhdooda ha bartaan.
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^, Sheegato, Dites-nous qui vous êtes? Though I suspect who you are, ganja smoking rasta boy. Remember this: We reign supreme on your kind in Djibouti and Ethiopia. Saylac-Lughaye State of Somalia will come in to the fold soon as well.

This guy does not claim he is Ciise but uses the name Djiboutian to mislead folks. I am almost certain I know this ganja smoking boy.

Prove me wrong sheegato. Don't go by the number of ugaas but years.

Example: Previous ugaas and current one, there was a gap of almost 15 years before the coronation. Prior ugaas reigned since the 1930s to 1994, over 60 years.

Fils d'un Habar utiliser votre autre nom d'écran, donc nous savons qui vous êtes vraiment.

I once shook the hand of President Obama, hence I intimately know of him. I suppose that makes an expert on Luo, Kenya tribe of his father.
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Lol at walawan!

Djiboutian have you became qaldaanized lol

And when did I gave you a lecture on ciise?

My point was about the identity not the clans and wasn't only on ciisa but clans who live in the outskirts of xamar like biimaal interms of culture and identity not talking about them as a clan

And as for me we never claim hawiye as lineage

We r in a hawiye federation-hawiye+samaales- but not part of it literally as a clan, as a clan we r samaale.

Some call us hawiye raac/hawiye associators

This is in terms of culture and politics

I'm the third clan in hawiye, my interests r protected so we r better in this alliance




As for morsi, yes he belongs to one of the northeasren bedouin tribes wich r not still considered to be egyptians, some of them even prefer to be under israel but their region have been developed unlike of the southreners bc they r coastal tribes

They live in both sids of sinai, along the red sea hills and between the mediterranean sea and the red Sea

Morsi says ahli wa cashirati instead of shacbi!

He looks typical falastini!

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ControversyEdit

Some Rashaida criminals have been heavily involved in trafficking Eritreans to Israel. Since the 2012 fencing of the Israel-Egypt border some Rashaidan criminals have been cooperating with some criminal Bedouin elements on the Sinai peninsula. The Bedouin criminals hold the Eritreans hostage and demand ransom, this is known as Refugee kidnappings in Sinai.[5]

Rashaida people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashaida_people
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Lol prez morsis history in egypt goes back to 19 century!

He's related to this woman who became a novelist

Typical palestinian. She studied in lebiya!
http://www.westoestlicherdiwan.de/images/tahawi.jpg
"Miral el-Tahawy - Unveiling the Lives of Egypt's Bedouin Women
Al-Tahawy was born in 1968, daughter of a tribe known as al-Hanadi that emigrated from the Arab Peninsula in the early 19th century to the Nile Delta province of al-Sharqiya. As a child, her friends "

This is his clan, not exactly rashayida but they have connections and live together but this one is found more on egypts borders with lybia

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العياط وعبد الغفار وابو سعيدة وبو جير
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Jabuutawi wrote:^, Sheegato, Dites-nous qui vous êtes? Though I suspect who you are, ganja smoking rasta boy. Remember this: We reign supreme on your kind in Djibouti and Ethiopia. Saylac-Lughaye State of Somalia will come in to the fold soon as well.

This guy does not claim he is Ciise but uses the name Djiboutian to mislead folks. I am almost certain I know this ganja smoking boy.

Prove me wrong sheegato. Don't go by the number of ugaas but years.

Example: Previous ugaas and current one, there was a gap of almost 15 years before the coronation. Prior ugaas reigned since the 1930s to 1994, over 60 years.

Fils d'un Habar utiliser votre autre nom d'écran, donc nous savons qui vous êtes vraiment.

I once shook the hand of President Obama, hence I intimately know of him. I suppose that makes an expert on Luo, Kenya tribe of his father.
Look at your avatar picture and then you'll know which one of us is ganja smoking rasta.

We reign supreme on your kind in Djibouti and Ethiopia kulaha. Wale inaad ee aqoon ma waxaad ee mooday kuwi caga cadaanta Djibouti shalay ku soo galay just like yourself. Edeb oo joog yar kaga afka cas.

I didn't ask you whose hands you shook. My question was simple and plain and your answer showed your ignorance. Wardiiq doesn't exist 1000 or even 800 years ago so no point of arguing with a primitive individual like you. Ugaas is the pillar of Xeer Ciise and he must be from Wardiiq sub clan which doesn't exist on the date you gave.

If you don't know the current Ugaas abtirsiimo or the former one then dare to ask. Once you learn their abtirsiimo you'll be able to know in which century Wardiiq exist. Until that time go and do your school homework.
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As for morsi, yes he belongs to one of the northeasren bedouin tribes wich r not still considered to be egyptians, some of them even prefer to be under israel but their region have been developed unlike of the southreners bc they r coastal tribes

They live in both sids of sinai, along the red sea hills and between the mediterranean sea and the red Sea

Morsi says ahli wa cashirati instead of shacbi!

He looks typical falastini!

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Once you say Morsi belongs to a bedouin tribe in Sinai and in the same thread you claim he is Falastini and then you shared unreliable source which says Morsi hails from Al Rashidi clan.

Seriously are you Ok mate? :shock: :shock:

Mind telling me how Ahli wa cashirati will make someone Rashidi or Falastini!!

Your references are Alnssabon.com and wikipedia !!! La Hawala Wala Qowata ila Billah.

I'll use the same source you used to prove you wrong. Chech this out : -
http://www.alnssabon.com/showthread.php?t=14117

Morsi hails from Al Fawaydah family and it has nothing to do with Al Rashidi or Falastine or Sinai or even Hashimite.
Warsheekh wrote:LOOOOL. dadaab kulaha ninyaho ma jebertiga nagu khaldeysa WTF. Sxb i got ciise friends who admitt themselves waceysle abgaal were very active in the business field in Djibouti during the kacaan. Most of the konfurian business men were waceysle.
Bal amuurtan eega. I'm familiar with Xamarawi clans more than any other Djiboutian and I swear I never heard something called Wacaysle Abgaal before today. During the kacaan you were not even active in the business field in your jungles forget about Djibouti.
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Kareem99 wrote:Walaalayaal, it is not out of the realm of possibility to have two subclans of the same name yet belong to different clans. Ciise Mudulood (Hawiye), Ciise Maxamuud (Daarood), and Ciise Madoobe (Dir) all share the same name. They're not all the same Ciise. This, of course, is for those who believe all the tribes I just mentioned are ethnically Somali. Djiboutian, I'm not here to make you believe you're Somali so spare me the hate walaal, the Ciise people are quite nice people. Zumaale: war ninyahoo maalin walbo wax cusub baa kaa baranaa, keep it up walaal. Shacabka Soomaaliyeed ha is bartaan oo ha is jeclaadaan, ee taariikhdooda ha bartaan.

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The Wardiq are Ciise by Xeer as they are one of the sadaxda soo raac and one of the reasons they were given the Ugaas title was that so conflict could be avoided among the larger purer Ciise.

Djiboutian you know little about Southern Somali clans if you insist on continuing to argue that Abgaal Cusman recently came out of a 'jungle'. Isku xiishhod, ninka cayda ka daa, ma asa Habar Awal caaye?
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I knew this sheegato was one of the Habars that hails from Yibirland. This just reinforces my belief of you. I stand by my earlier case calling you ganja smoking rasta. You are all talk but no evidence to back up your diatribe.

You keep repeating your inalienable right as a Djiboutian as if a million citizens of Djibouti do not count. Sorry to burst your bubble but you do not have monopoly on who is a Djiboutian. I have both maternal and paternal claims to Djibouti going back to centuries, do you? I have uncles, maternally and paternally, who have sacrificed their lives for the independence of Djibouti. One of my uncle's, Allah ha uu naxaristo, was killed in the bus ambush in loyada by French commandos. However, not before he killed scores of French inside the bus. I have other uncles who fought in the WSLF to free Soomali-Galbeed. I have more rights to claim Soomali-Galbeed and Djibouti than you will ever dare dream of.

Re: Ugaas. There is a whole story before Wardiq subclan was chosen to become ugaas. Learn that history. Hint: Ugaas history did not start with Wardig, but Wardig made it more agreeable. Do you get the nuances, sheegato?

Perhaps you do not speak French, but my earlier post asked you to man-up and tell us who you really are. Certainly you do not sign up for a screen name that is 3 years old and only show 40 posts. Unless, of course, you use other screen names.
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Any Isaaq who claims he's Jab-bootyian is not Isaaq.

To the cunt above, hooyadaa baa yibir ah. Your own sultan lineage and your sultan is originally Yeesif (HJ) and you're trying to say something about Isaaq. You bow down to an Isaaq man lmao. :pac:

When talking about the 77 war, the men that lead the Somali army that liberated Godey and Wardheer were Isaaq. It was Mujahid Col. Kowsaar and Mujahid Gen. Cali Xuseyn. Gen. Cali Xuseyn later lead the 26th infantry division from Hargeisa to support the Somali battalions that fought in Jigjiga and Dirdhaba. There was no WSLF force in Dirdhaba, it was units from the 60th air borne battalion and some of my uncles were part of it and they had support from units of the 21th division, the units that liberated Wardheer. The reinforcement coming from Hargeisa made the Soviets and Cubans join the War because the railway and supply line to the Djibooty port, that was used by the Ethiopians under the old treacherous cunt Abtidon, was threaten. They had to abandon Eritrea and Massawa because of EPLF insurgency.

You can always dream about "Saylac Lughaya state". We'll destroy your people just like the SNM destroyed the Ciise rebels and Djibootyian soldiers during the clashes of the early 90's.
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Djiboutian

Sounds like you don't know shyt about the arabic cultures

When I said morsi is a foreigner not an original egyptian and that he belongs to al rashayida you landed here saying no he's al ayat!

I told you he belongs to al fawayid-check out my previous link FB- but has connection with al rashayida how?

Al fawayid is part of al haraabi and al haraabi and al rashayida meet at banu salim!!

Even the arabic speakers of bejia like al cubaydaat r part of al haraabi!

Let me explain to you the roots

Linguists and historians agree that the beja language is closer to berber language than the the coptic language

This means, before the spread of the islam, the land between lebia, egypt and sinai were settled by beja and that beja of egypt and berbers had direct borders

In the late centuries, an arab nomads who originally hail from hijaz and jordan have found the beja hills and the egyptian/lebyan sahara their natural habitat bc they own camels

This is why I believe that somalis themselves came from the nomadic side of egypt and have nothing to do with the egyptian civilazation

The arabs who arrives somalia were not nomads rather hadramis and persians who had civilazations


This is their branch in the lebya borders
يرجع اصل عائلة خضر الي جدهم خضر بن داود بن" فايد[[1]] بن الذيب الاصغر بن عقار بن الذيب الاكبر بن أبي الليل بن أحمد بن كعب بن على بن يعقوب بن كعب بن أحمد بن ترجم بن حميد بن يحي بن علاق بن عوف بن بهنه بن سليم، فهي تعود الي فايد الذي ضمه اليه عمه حرب بن عقار والد قبائل الحرابي وذلك بعد وفاة ابوه الذيب الاصغر، لذلك تنسب قبيلة فايد - والتي تنسب اليها عائلة خضر- الي الحرابي،وأما"
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://ar.m ... cB_Ob_u-0w

http://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A% ... vjZsNR&s=1

Nothing have to do with the arabs who spread islam in egypt
http://www.albawabhnews.com/773291

Now why I call them plasteninians?

They have been living in there and in jordan for a long centuries before moving to africa so they look like them

They arrived africa-lebya- in the 17 century and in egypt about the 19 century

They have darker hijazi looking ones as well but the majority of them r lighter than the gulf arabs.

I'm out!.
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Jabuutawi wrote:I knew this sheegato was one of the Habars that hails from Yibirland. This just reinforces my belief of you. I stand by my earlier case calling you ganja smoking rasta. You are all talk but no evidence to back up your diatribe.

You keep repeating your inalienable right as a Djiboutian as if a million citizens of Djibouti do not count. Sorry to burst your bubble but you do not have monopoly on who is a Djiboutian. I have both maternal and paternal claims to Djibouti going back to centuries, do you? I have uncles, maternally and paternally, who have sacrificed their lives for the independence of Djibouti. One of my uncle's, Allah ha uu naxaristo, was killed in the bus ambush in loyada by French commandos. However, not before he killed scores of French inside the bus. I have other uncles who fought in the WSLF to free Soomali-Galbeed. I have more rights to claim Soomali-Galbeed and Djibouti than you will ever dare dream of.

Re: Ugaas. There is a whole story before Wardiq subclan was chosen to become ugaas. Learn that history. Hint: Ugaas history did not start with Wardig, but Wardig made it more agreeable. Do you get the nuances, sheegato?

Perhaps you do not speak French, but my earlier post asked you to man-up and tell us who you really are. Certainly you do not sign up for a screen name that is 3 years old and only show 40 posts. Unless, of course, you use other screen names.
Kumaan waydiin hadi oo adeerka markab la dagay misa in ay qaaxo dishay toona. My question was simple and your answer showed how ignorant you are when it comes to Xeer Ciise and Ciisa tribe history. 1000 years ago even Ciise himself doesn't exist. Your homework for today, ask your parents where the name Wardiiq come from. Then you'll be able to know who wrote Xeer Ciise and what is the story behind it.

You called me sheegatoo just because of my nickname "Djiboutian" whereas, you use the similar nickname "Jabuutawi". Although, your location stated it clearly : "Federal Republic of Soomali-Galbeed Capital of Dira Dhabe". Seems you are suffering from identity crisis like your counterparts "Kuwi caga cadaanta ku soo galay Djibouti".

Not to brag but my grandfather sacrificed his life for the independance of Djibouti 20 years before the independance and so are most of my relatives. In fact alot of my relatives from my 5th or 6th grandfather inward fought for the independance of more than 10 nations yet I didn't claim to be from those countries nor your deceased uncle will make you more Djiboutian than myself. I bet both your parents or even one of them was born in Djibouti.

Cidi Xoriyaada Jabuuti oo soo halgantay iyo cidi Gumaysiga kabaha oo qaadii jirtay waa lawada yaqan but I don't want to reveal our disgrace to others. I said our disgrace because I consider every Djiboutian individual's disgrace as mine.

The reason I signed up in this website was to exchange knowledge with literate individual not to educate those who are here to learn about tribes to use in their Fadhi Ku Dirir session. I'm I clear Mr. Coofleh?

Again you are judging me. I understood your last reply so feel free to reply me in French but no matter what I won't reply in French because I oathed not to speak in French. I hate anything to do with France. For your information, I'm man enough to even give you my home address in Gabode 4 if you man-up to show yourself.
sahal80 wrote:Djiboutian

Sounds like you don't know shyt about the arabic cultures

When I said morsi is a foreigner not an original egyptian and that he belongs to al rashayida you landed here saying no he's al ayat!

I told you he belongs to al fawayid-check out my previous link FB- but has connection with al rashayida how?

:shock: Al fawayid is part of al haraabi and al haraabi and al rashayida meet at banu salim!!

Even the arabic speakers of bejia like al cubaydaat r part of al haraabi!

Let me explain to you the roots

Linguists and historians agree that the beja language is closer to berber language than the the coptic language

This means, before the spread of the islam, the land between lebia, egypt and sinai were settled by beja and that beja of egypt and berbers had direct borders

In the late centuries, an arab nomads who originally hail from hijaz and jordan have found the beja hills and the egyptian/lebyan sahara their natural habitat bc they own camels

This is why I believe that somalis themselves came from the nomadic side of egypt and have nothing to do with the egyptian civilazation

The arabs who arrives somalia were not nomads rather hadramis and persians who had civilazations


This is their branch in the lebya borders
يرجع اصل عائلة خضر الي جدهم خضر بن داود بن" فايد[[1]] بن الذيب الاصغر بن عقار بن الذيب الاكبر بن أبي الليل بن أحمد بن كعب بن على بن يعقوب بن كعب بن أحمد بن ترجم بن حميد بن يحي بن علاق بن عوف بن بهنه بن سليم، فهي تعود الي فايد الذي ضمه اليه عمه حرب بن عقار والد قبائل الحرابي وذلك بعد وفاة ابوه الذيب الاصغر، لذلك تنسب قبيلة فايد - والتي تنسب اليها عائلة خضر- الي الحرابي،وأما"
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Nothing have to do with the arabs who spread islam in egypt
http://www.albawabhnews.com/773291

Now why I call them plasteninians?

They have been living in there and in jordan for a long centuries before moving to africa so they look like them

They arrived africa-lebya- in the 17 century and in egypt about the 19 century

They have darker hijazi looking ones as well but the majority of them r lighter than the gulf arabs.

I'm out!.
Again you are hallucinating mate. If I don't nothing Arabic culture and lineage who does?!!

I repeat Morsi hails from Al Ayad family which belongs to Al Fawaydah and he has nothing to do with Al Rashid. Al Fawaydah is from Bani Saleem and Al Rashid is from Bani Abbs.

Abtirsiimadii Al Rashid: Rashid Bin Marshoud Bin Saad Bin Bray'is Bin Rashid Bin Muraybi'a Bin Salman Bin Mubarak Bin .......... Abbs Bin Baqid Bin Rayth Bin Qadafan Bin Saad Bin Qays Aylan Bin Mudhar Bin Nazar Bin Ma'ad Bin Adnan

Abtirsiimadii Bini Saleem: Saleem Bin Mansour Bin Ikrimah Bin Khasfah Bin Qays Aylan Bin Mudhar Bin Nazar Bin Ma'ad Bin Adnan

So Bani Saleem and Al Rashidi meet in Qays Aylan soo maad garan.

I just read your reply about Morsi being from Al Fawaydah but that was after you related him to wrong tribes and countries.

The conclusion is Al Rashaidah were noble tribe who used to rule north and central what is today Saudi Arabia unlike Bani Saleem and Bani Hilaal who were typical Mooryans that's why they were deported to North Africa. I advise you to read about the famous immigration of Bani Hilal and Bani Saleem.

I'm done with you now.
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