Erdogan's Mistake: Russia May Now Initiate Own 'No-Fly Zone' Over Syria

[gegiroor]

Russia just dealt a huge blow to Turkey over its downing of a Russian warplane

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-ju ... 49490.html

[gegiroor]

Su-24 Downing: Turkey Pushing Washington to Head-on Collision With Russia?

http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015112 ... dogan.html

[GAMES]

Dude, Putin is just lashing out. He wants to distract his people from the economic nightmare that they face.

-The Rubble has lost 50% of its value.

-Consumer goods and food prices have risen sharply.

-About 2 million in Crimea are without power and Russia would have to airlift generators, further straining their economy.

-Oil prices are down and are expected to remain that way until 2020. 75% of Russia's revenue is from selling OIL and LNG LooL.

-No one is investing in Russia and there is a capital flight out of the country. People are taking their money and fleeing.

And now he wants to start an economic war with Turkey? Putin the midget has lost his mind.

[gegiroor]

Erdogan's Mistake: Russia May Now Initiate Own 'No-Fly Zone' Over Syria



President Erdogan's mistake in shooting down the Russian Su-24 bomber 'has waived the green light' for Russia to initiate a 'no-fly zone' by deploying additional fighter power and air defense systems in Syria, US columnist Jim W. Dean notes.

The US-led coalition's recent provocation against the Russo-Syrian counter terrorism campaign has "put nothing but torpedoes into its own sinking international credibility," according to US columnist and managing editor for Veterans Today Jim W. Dean.

Dean stresses that the destruction of the ISIL oil tanker fleet, which NATO had been "somehow" unable to detect for over a year, has predictably prompted outrage from those who have long been benefitting from the illicit oil trade.

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/6 ... =twsrc^tfw

​"We suspected the tanker-crushing move would make the people who had been marketing ISIL's oil, the Kurds and Turkey, unhappy enough to be provoked into a blunder themselves. We did not have to wait long, with the militarily-senseless shooting down of the Russian SU-24 bomber by the Turkish F-16s," Dean narrates in his recent article for New Eastern Outlook.



Make No Mistake: Su-24 Downing by Turkey a 'Clear Act of War' – US Author
The US columnist emphasizes that it is obvious that Turkey would never dare to carry out such a provocation "without clearing it with the US and NATO, as they would be dragged into anyway."

Turkish reports that they knew nothing about the origin of the Su-24 bomber jet sound completely unconvincing.

"Did they expect us to believe that their radar was not working, nor the US-coalition drones or spy satellites that monitor the Syria-Iraqi battlefield 24/7?" Dean asks with a trace of irony.

However, NATO with Secretary General Stoltenberg has supported Turkey. Still, there were a number of NATO envoys who expressed their concerns regarding the matter. They pointed to the fact that Turkey did not make attempts to escort the Russian bomber out of its airspace.

The Turkish claim that the Russian plane had entered the country's airspace has fallen apart at the seams since Russia presented the recording of their air combat radar plotting maps.

"They showed the Russian planes flying near the border, and the Turkish planes making their attack runs south, which actually took the Turks into Syria," Dean underscores.

The whole incident looks very fishy: the Turkish provocation has triggered justified suspicions among European lawmakers. Some of them have gone even so far as to blame Ankara for collaboration with ISIL, the US columnist notes.

Still, Turkey's provocation has not worked: the Kremlin immediately disavowed any hints of a military response, Dean emphasizes.

Instead, Russia has deployed its advanced S-400 Triumf air defense system with the capability of hitting targets at ranges of up to 400 kilometers to Hmeymim air base in Syria. Furthermore, Russia's Moskva 11,500-ton warship has reached the shores of Syria in order to ensure the security of Russian aircraft in the region.

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/6 ... =twsrc^tfw

Interestingly enough, the Turkish Hurriyet media outlet reported Friday that "the Turkish army has suspended flights over Syria as part of an ongoing joint military campaign with the United States against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) after it shot down a Russian jetfighter."

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/6 ... =twsrc^tfw

​"Turkey used its last 'freebie' by shooting the Russian plane down. There will be no Western coalition no-fly zone in northern Syria, for which some Senators and presidential candidate crazies were trying to get headlines advocating; at least not the kind they wanted," Dean points out.

Now, Russia can create a "defensive bubble" over Syria. Moscow does not want to do this, he notes, but it has been forced to. Russia has repeatedly made attempts to form a real coalition with Western countries and their partners in order to smash ISIL, but the West turned a deaf ear to its proposal.

"Erdogan's mistake in shooting the bomber down has waived the green flag for Putin to bring in enough fighter power for the Syrian coalition to initiate a no-fly zone on any uninvited airstrikes anywhere inside Syrian if attacks on Russian planes were continue," the US columnist emphasizes.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015112 ... z3spaWQh1g

[FAH1223]

[GAMES]

LooL Russia hasn't imposed anything, nor does it have the power to do so.

Germany, which is part of the US led coalition said they were sending aircraft to fight ISIL.

Let Putin try shooting down a NATO plane.

[FAH1223]

LooL Russia hasn't imposed anything, nor does it have the power to do so.

Germany, which is part of the US led coalition said they were sending aircraft to fight ISIL.

Let Putin try shooting down a NATO plane.

Russians ain't gonna shoot down a NATO plane.

Turkey has been moving tanks to their border with Syria and some people think they might invade northern syria via ground to establish a"safe zone," which is really them trying to keep the Kurds from linking their territories under the guise of fighting ISIS. The kicker is Turkey could ask USA for air cover as they try to invade north Syria. That would be a genius chess move because you know damn well Putin aint fina shoot down America's planes.

[gurey25]

Nuclear War Over Turkey Shooting Down Russian Jet ‘Likely’ – Russia’s Top Defense Analyst

The Turkish military said it had shot down a Russian warplane early in the morning on Tuesday, triggering a furious response from the Kremlin and escalating the already hot tensions in the Syrian conflict.

Turkey said two of their F-16s shot down the Russian Su-24 attack aircraft after it violated Turkish airspace, according to USA Today. The Turkish military issued 10 warnings in five minutes before bringing down the Russian jet.

However, Russia’s defense ministry denies the warplane ever breached Turkey’s airspace. NATO and U.S. defense officials later confirmed the Russian jet briefly entered the airspace of the NATO member – Turkey.

“As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO ally, Turkey,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said after an emergency meeting of NATO.

So what are the chances that Russian President Vladimir Putin is going to give a brutal response to the downing of Russia’s warplane by Turkish forces? According to Russian defense analysts, the chances are very high.

Despite the fact that Turkey is backed by NATO’s 5th Article, which states that an attack on one Ally shall be considered an attack on all NATO members, the chances that Putin will unleash a nuclear war over the Tuesday incident are very “likely,” according to Pavel Felgenhauer, Russia’s most respected military analyst.
Russia ‘likely’ to start nuclear war with NATO over the jet

Felgenhauer said Turkey is seeking to protect a zone in northern Syria controlled by its allies, the Turkmens, while the downing of the Russian jet in the region must prompt Moscow to either accept the zone or “start a war with Turkey,” which means starting a war with NATO.

And the only way Russia could win a war against NATO is by going nuclear, Felgenhauer said.

“It is most likely that it will be war,” said Felgenhauer, as reported by Mirror. “In other words, more fights will follow when Russian planes attack Turkish aircraft in order to protect our [Russia’s] bombers. It is possible that there will be fights between the Russian and Turkish navies at sea.”

Russia’s top defense analyst also warned that Ankara will probably shut down the Bosphorus, and other NATO members will join this conflict, thus unleashing an all-out war with Russia. The Bosphorus is the only way by which Russia’s mighty Black Sea fleet can reach the Mediterranean.

“And in such a conflict Russia has very little chance unless it uses its nuclear weapons,” Felgenhauer warned.

But a nuclear war involving NATO and Russia “would probably spell, if not the end of humanity, the end of any possibility of a comfortable future for humanity,” as reported by ValueWalk, citing Press TV’s interview with Don DeBar, U.S. political analyst.
Most alarming NATO-Russian military incident in 50 years

Turkey downing the Russian jet on Tuesday is the most alarming military indecent between a NATO member country and Russia in half a century. And with Vladimir Putin warning of “serious consequences,” U.S. President Barack Obama is already trying to avoid escalation.

After an emergency meeting in Washington, French President Francois Hollande and Obama issued a joint statement, in which they called on Putin to avoid escalation, according to RT.

“Turkey, like every country, has the right to defend its territory and its airspace,” Obama said, defending the Turkish side of the conflict but admitting that he had no details on the incident yet.

Putin called the bombing of the Russian warplane a “crime” and stressed that Moscow will never tolerate it. The Russian President added that the Su-24 plane crash in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is “a stab in Russia’s back delivered by terrorist accomplices,” as reported by ITAR-TASS.

“I understand each country has its own regional interests, and we have always respected that. But we shall never tolerate crimes like today’s one,” the Russian leader said on Tuesday following a meeting with King of Jordan Abdullah II.
Is Obama capable of leading NATO into nuclear war with Russia?

“Today’s loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can’t characterize otherwise what has happened today,” Putin said, accusing Turkey of financing and protecting ISIS.

On Oct. 31, ISIS claimed responsibility for shooting down a Russian passenger plane in Egypt. A total of 224 people, including 17 children, were killed in the plane crash.

Moreover, ISIS described how it bombed the Russian plane over three weeks ago in the latest publication of its propaganda magazine, Dabiq, also featuring an image of what appears to be the bomb that was placed in a soft drink can.

Putin also noted that Turkey’s contacts with NATO members after the bombing of the Su-24 jet on Tuesday look like an attempt to make the Alliance serve terrorists.

The question is whether Obama is capable of leading NATO at a serious time like this one? Turkey will obviously want to feel secured and protected from Russia’s possible military response, which is why it will be expecting the U.S. to have its back.

But has Obama enough authority to prevent Turkey and Russia from escalating the conflict into a nuclear war? And if he fails to do so, is he capable of leading NATO into a nuclear war with Russia?

you should know who you are quoting.
Pavel felgenhaur is not Russias top defence analyst, he is not even a real analyst.
He is like that syrian dude who runs human rights watch from his bedroom in england, and that god damn moron bellingkat who is payed to write shit.
I mean common, i can write better more convincing shit than that, pay me money and i will shit on putin and make him stink so bad bellingkat and idiots like pavel felgenhaur will be out of business,

put thn again you quoted this article from the mirror.

[Alshabaibe]

@ the title. had to be gpk

[grandpakhalif]

Putin has no realistic military response he can just place his SAM 4000s, Turkey has US Patriot Missiles ready to go so that doesn't matter. Putin he cant shoot down a NATO warplane like Turkey and take revenge

They are left with sanctions but that money is probably less money than other economies export to Turkey

Putin is left with no choice but to shutup and take it

[grandpakhalif]

gurey do you actually think Russia can win their war to keep Assad affloat? Your faith in the ex KGB Putin whose Soviet Union was defeated once by the West will once again fail. Russia cannot maintain air superiority in Syria many superpowers won't tolerate that.

Did you forget Israel wants to secure more territory in the Golan Heights for a "safezone" is Russia gonna defend the regime's advance there too?

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ruze-sect/

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Fuck that short communist dictator. Who does he think he is putting sanctions on people when his country is in a economic crisis and half the world put sanctions on him.

I respect Turkey for what they have built for themselves not because they gave us some handouts in Mogadishu.

[gurey25]

gurey do you actually think Russia can win their war to keep Assad affloat? Your faith in the ex KGB Putin whose Soviet Union was defeated once by the West will once again fail. Russia cannot maintain air superiority in Syria many superpowers won't tolerate that.

Did you forget Israel wants to secure more territory in the Golan Heights for a "safezone" is Russia gonna defend the regime's advance there too?

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ruze-sect/

Yes the Russo-Iranian Alliance can win.
first of all turkey will not be allowed to derail it with its tantrums, Turkish planes will be shot down over Syrian Airspace,
The Russians have not backed down, but have increased their bombing of the turkish border area many times over, specifically targeting the turkomans that shot and killed the parachuting pilot.
Turksy did not do jack shit, infact if you look at turkish media media, Turkey has temporarily grounded all flights in the area.

Everyone sees that as backing down, talking shit does not mean anything.

Now if we look at the resources deployed the 15 fighter planes ~ are not enough to withstand a serious conflict
Turkey can swarm them and eliminate all of them quickly.
But they do have a big bite, and will cost the Turks heavily.
The russians are counting on usiing diplomacy and legal means,
Turkey and NAto will find it difficult to explain them starting a war over syrian airspace, while protecting ISIS and allsorts..
They are not that brazen, and the russians will not escalate but will 100% hit Turkish planes if they stray over the border.

but thats all not important,
the main reason erdogan got a free pass and encouragement from uncle sam to do this, was the Electronics warfare technology demonstrated
by the russians and the US and ISreal are hell bent on studying it.
Every single Elint aircraft the the US has all over the Gulf have been moved to IRaq recently and Incrilik in Turkey.
The Same with the Isrealis, right now nobody is listening to the Egyptians, if they wanted to they could send a submarine or move a small number of troops straight into ISreal and over the border without anyone noticing , because all the Elint aircraft are listening for the Russian System in Syria.

It seems that everyone including yours truly thought the USS Donald cook story was balony, but then again there was strong evidence of jamming both Satellite and aircraft, when the Russians where airlifting their aircrafts and equipment to Syria.
Again when the Isrealis launched a strike on hezbollah , isreali radar and communications were jammed it seemed to intimidate them
and they have been well behaved since.
The third time was recently during the rescue of the downed pilot, US sattelites and awacs were jammed in the area, to prevent the US
from giving info directly to the millitants and messing up the rescue.

So 3 times is enough evidence for me, and all the sudden movement of Elint aircraft.


to sum it up, yes thay can win, because they have a concise plan and they are following it.
They wish to close the borders and dry up the supply to the rebel groups, jordans border is already closed , all thats left is Turkish border.
With no western or ISreali airstrickes , the Iranians can step up and move in more troops.
in 12 months the rebel groups will be greatly reduced in strenght, the US might lose interest.

anyway i gaurentee you 100% that if the US is bloced in Syria, there will be a new international incident in either transnistra, Armenia or Kazakhstan.

[grandpakhalif]

That border won't be open and YPG terrorists need to be eliminated, Kurds are an existential threat to the Arab world, they pillage and burn down Arab neighborhoods and aren't these heroes the mainstream media sells you. Turks will not allow this or it will be war, a portion of the border must be held by friendly Turkmen moderate opposition otherwise if the SYrian Army close that off Syria border is sealed off with Assad's carnage only continuing

[grandpakhalif]

Do you think Russian troops can touch NATO Turkish Planes who are flying missions all over Nothern Syria against PKK and ISIL targets.

did you forget Turkey has US supplied Patriot Missiles directed at Moscow Its checkmate for Putin and now he has to leave the poor Turkmen alone when he attempted Grozny style takeover