Shirib wrote:If a person says Jesus is the son of God and then claims to be Muslim, it's clear as day that he's not Muslim, and saying that Jesus is the son of God nulifies his Islam no matter how much he claims it. Ahmadi's believe that Mirza Ahmad Ghulam is a Prophet after Rasulu'Allah. That claim nullifies their Islam. Nation of Islam similarly claim to be Muslim but believe that Elijah Mohamed was a Rasul and Wallace Fard Muhammad is the reincarnate of God on earth. This dispels you from Islam. They can claim to be Muslim all they want but that doesn't make them Muslim.NoAngst wrote:It doesn't really matter what the Parliament of Pakistan voted on. The only thing that matters what the Ahmadis themselves think. If they think they're Muslims, then so be it. Otherwise, you'll have Taliban/Alqaida solution of persecution and outright massacre. You need to ditch the takfiri mentality before it's too late, for your own sake. Nothing good will come of it.gegiroor wrote:In 1972, the Parliament of Pakistan voted that Ahmadis aka Qadyanis are not Muslims. This vote happened even though Ahmadis claim they followed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and their new false prophet called Ahmed.
Now, if Ahmadis can be considered to be non-Muslims, what makes this Leftist and other like him to be Muslims?
I could careless what the religious beliefs of these Islamophobes are. I just don't want us (Muslims) to be facilitating their attacks on our faith and our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
btw, I totally disagree with violence against any groups, but fact is their religion is not Islam.
I will expand the list.
The people who claim reformation by advocating for removing certain verses of the Holy Quran or knowingly changing the meaning of those verses in order to aid Islam's enemies are clearly outside of Islam's fold.
People who attack the companions (ra) and wives (ra) of the Prophet (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him) for the sole aim of misinforming and putting non-suspecting Muslims against their faith are clearly outside of Islam's fold. One can't claim to be a Muslim and at the same time wage war against Islam. Remember we're not talking about different sects in Islam; we're referring here the people who chose to side with Allah's enemies in order to change the Islamic faith to the wishes of the clear enemies of Islam. I have no illusions who these enemies are.
