Why some Habashas fear the Oromo gaining their rights...

[Waachis]

Isaaq rounds up innocent oromo toilet workers and turn them into tigre hands, as OLF.

Somaliland the Idoors gave themselves for free just like they did when the british came to their soil.

You Cannot really disrepsect others while being an oromo, your like in the lowest rank of standard living, somalis who escaped from the civil war is living a better life than oromos, more comfort and contributes more to ethiopia by paying their taxes while oromos are in the streets begging, i undertsand why ethiopia dont like oromos, you lot are making ethiopia look disguisting.
Shopowner gurage are worth more than your.

Somalis in general are weak and divided, hence the reason the TPLF/EPLF are the top two hegemonic powers in the Horn.
The biggest refugee camp is dadab in kenya, mostly populated by who? somalis!
You have a country, and destroyed it. Or, you had one.
Which is why Ethiopia's army has been everywhere, invading, from your backyard, to eritrea, to kenya, to sudan.
As far as somalis contributing more to ethiopia: That's BS and we all know it. Oromia is the bread-basket and economic-backbone of Ethiopia and always has been.
the somali region can leave tomorrow, and Ethiopia will be fine, tigray can leave tomorrow, Ethiopia would be fine; but if oromia goes, Ethiopia will collapse in less than an hour. more than 50% of the GDP=comes from Oromia's resources. coffee, gold, farm land, minerals, hydro-resources, all are found in abundance in Oromia.
we're both oppressed, so when one oppressed person mocks the other; who laughs?!

Aren't you here trying to mock somalis because of their division and the fall of their nation? but your oromo you can't mock others while being an poor harmless oromo beggar.

Somalis has contributed more to the economic of Ethiopia than oromo have ever done, i'm not talking about ogaden region or any other somali regions but the ones who escaped the war in somalia and settled down in addis ababa running different business, somalis are the best in various businesses.
What is oromo? those little starving kids running after us calling us ''aabo aabo aabo give me 1 birr please'' or those who stand by the road trying to sell their limes and mango?
oromos are all of them combined, the ones who stand by the road selling their vegetables, the innocent farmer, the starving kids in the streets of addis including those who got their eyes out for the pennies. very sad ethnic group indeed.

Somalis are not weak, does 1977 ring a bell? somalis alone against Ethiopia backed by soviet advisers and 30k cuban soldiers+ south yemen and libya.
You on the other hand are a oromo of 50 million people, useless people who have this land which was stolen by menilik the amhara warlord and passed it to his after comers, what happened to the 50 million people of oromo did they resist? i dont think so couse your still under the same ethiopia that cut your ancestors breasts for fun.

Oromia is the heart of Ethiopia that is true, but how come if the oromos are oppressed why haven't they put a knife in the heart of addis and follow the footsteps of eritrea?
Are these weak demonstrations going to continue? when are your people going to pick up their guns and fight against the oppressor?
Why the fock are oromos standing on the road and looking for somalis in the buss to kill them? are the somalis the ones who oppress them?

I have never started disrespectful threads or comments, I am always responding in defense of my people.
Zoomalis are oppressed, and divided, and weak; just like the oromos: so how can either of us honestly feel superior to the other?
it makes no sense to me.
and dude, zoomali women are being shared right now by british, german, american, ugandan and ethio troops, and kenyan troops, and u wanna talk about us? LMAO. liberate your country first. at least we don't have random international soldiers roaming our lands.
you can't compare opening a few stores in the capital to oromia who contributes the most of all regions.
it's like comparing a 7-11, to apple. it makes no sense.

1977? when ethiopia was in a civil war, fighting itself, and poorly equipped?
what happened in the first ogaden war of the 1960s? zoomalia got its ass handed it to her.
and the cut breasts incident was an one-time thing, meanwhile, TODAY, zoomalis kill each other like dogs, and your women get pregnant by ugandan bantus for 1 biscuit and 1 water bottle.

[OAF]

Ethiopia was in a civil war with itself in 1977? learned something new today, wasn't ethiopia a top allie of the western countries? didn't they provide enough weapons to the empire ever since its creation?
Ogaden war in 1960's? you mean the 1964 border war? what was the result? somalia only had soldiers of 4000 and still kicked habesha ass.
Why are you bragging about habesha work? no oromo garbage to part of it anyways?

[Waachis]

Ethiopia was in a civil war with itself in 1977? learned something new today, wasn't ethiopia a top allie of the western countries? didn't they provide enough weapons to the empire ever since its creation?
Ogaden war in 1960's? you mean the 1964 border war? what was the result? somalia only had soldiers of 4000 and still kicked habesha ass.
Why are you bragging about habesha work? no oromo garbage to part of it anyways?

in the early to middle 1970s, Ethiopia, it was in the middle of a transition from one government (haile selassie's govt) to a new one (the derg), ethiopia was far from stable.
and so what if it was a western ally? there's nothing the west could've done when the entire society of ethiopia, from the army to the teachers, stood up and got rid of him (haile selassie).
the 1963 ogaden war, when ethiopia was a bit more stable, lead to a horrible defeat for somalia. what does this prove? an united and stable ethiopia can beat somalia in a war, because it has 1. more resources, 2. more manpower and 3. more clout internationally/more important to the outside world.
the army has always had many oromos in it. not saying i am proud or even care for the wars between ethio and somalia, but it is what it is-ethio won in the long run, like it or not, the facts remain what they are.....facts!

[OAF]

What importance does ethiopia have? ethiopia is a landlocked country filled with starving people so what importance does ethiopia have? Somalia has the longest coast line in africa and in a strategic place in the world and their sea is filled with oil and other rich resources.
Your a stupid oromo, if it wasn't for the soviet and cuban intervention ethiopia would have lost, ethiopia didnt win in a fear fight negro and besides you are oromo so this is not part of your history.

Ethiopia was a western backed country while haile selassie had his reign for over 50 years, the western country was filling ethiopia with modern weapon ever since the world war 2.

[Waachis]

''Siad Barre, the president of Somalia, caused a major refugee crisis in late 1979. Encouraged by Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev and the Soviet Military, which was then providing military and economic aid for Somalia, he decided to conquer the Ogaden region, a part of Ethiopia that juts out into Somalia and that is largely peopled by ethnic Somalis. But Brezhnev, who saw Ethiopia was a potentially MUCH MORE IMPORTANT African ally than Somalia, then switched loyalties and began supporting Ethiopia. With massive infusions of Soviet military aid, the Ethiopians began winning against Somalia.''

[The Humanitarian Conscience: Caring for Others in the Age of Terror
By W. R. Smyser, PG 100]



''In an ironic twist, a Marxist revolution that overthrew Emperor Haile Selassie in 1974 presented Russia with a new opportunity it could not turn down: Ethiopia was simply more important than Somalia, despite Russia's strategically valuable Indian Ocean naval base on the Somali coast of Berbera.''

[Fifty Years of Change: Short History of World Politics Since 1945: Short History of World Politics Since 1945
Book by Charles L. Robertson, chapter 6]



''However, soon the Soviet Union was forced to choose sides. It chose Ethiopia, probably because it was believed that a genuine social revolution had taken place in that country which could lead to a socialist transformation. Moreover, Ethiopia was a much larger and more important country in the region than Somalia.''

[Ethnic Conflicts and the Nation-State
By Rodolfo Stavenhagen, page 210]


You tell me? The West has always saw Ethiopia as the most important country in the Horn of Africa, and one of the most influential in Africa in general. Do you think the powerful west and east cares about a zoomalis opinion? LOOOOOL...

You lost against a stable Ethiopia in 63-64', so that proves who can win a war if both sides are stable.
Those same nations who helped Ethiopia were the ones who built your army and armed you and enabled you to invade ogadenia, if not, you would not have tried it, so let's not pretend either side played fair----as the old saying goes, all's fair in love and war!

Oromo is Ethiopian, until they secede, or Ethiopia collapses, oromo history=ethiopian history and vice-versa.
that's like saying darood history isn't hawiye history----that statement doesn't hold weight.
being oppressed doesn't mean you didn't take part in your countries history.

[OAF]

Soviet union was not a western country,russia and the other states that were under soviet union is in the eastern part of europe, are you really that dumb?

Ethiopia at that time had eritrea, eritrea had the red sea while Somalia had access to both the red sea and the indian ocean.

Soviet chose ethiopia probably because of religion.
As the minute soviet went to ethiopia, US took over the base in berbera... much better ally.
To be honest with you Siad barre didn't really give a fuck about soviet union at the end because he got what he wanted from them after 18 years of friendship.
Soviet made Somalia one of the modern country at that time, largest army on the continent too.
What was oromo back then? they begged us to save them from mengistu but then

Somalia had much more to offer than ethiopia had, tell me anything other than the red sea?

[Waachis]

Who said the soviet was western? I simply said it saw ethiopia as more important, and down there if u read, i said both western powerful countries, and eastern, see ethiopia as important in africa than somalia.
Good try though, you failed again.

Religious reasons and historical reasons and population reasons makes Ethiopia more important than Somalia. Ethiopia was the only independent African nation while three or more european powers shared somali lands like cake.

US took the bases, and did what to help u to win the ogaden? NOTHING. USA still said ''we will not support u to take ethiopian land.''
This once again proves who the powerful players of the world (western or eastern) see as more important.

That's good about what the soviets did, but the war was not smart, the country still hasn't recovered up to this day (somalia).

the oromo were oppressed like everyone else in ethiopia, including the ogadens/somalis, but they also were in the armies, police forces, and so on.
many of the army top generals were oromo. and many of the soldiers were oromo.
if you couldn't save the ogaden, and nowadays, yourselves; how can you save the oromos or anyone else for that matter?

as i said before, i posted enough proof, and even today; who do YOU think has more to offer the world and who has more clout/importance within Africa itself? where is the AU based? who created the OAU (Org. for African unity)??

If you are honest you'll be able to answer.

[Negusyenegast]

What importance does ethiopia have? ethiopia is a landlocked country filled with starving people so what importance does ethiopia have? Somalia has the longest coast line in africa and in a strategic place in the world and their sea is filled with oil and other rich resources.
Your a stupid oromo, if it wasn't for the soviet and cuban intervention ethiopia would have lost, ethiopia didnt win in a fear fight negro and besides you are oromo so this is not part of your history.

Ethiopia was a western backed country while haile selassie had his reign for over 50 years, the western country was filling ethiopia with modern weapon ever since the world war 2.

Your country is in shambles, your people are starving as I type while Ethiopia is still on the rise. You guys bring up the Ogaden war like it's the greatest thing done by your people. Most Ethiopians who didn't fight in the war don't even know it ever happened. That's so sad, your greatest accomplishment is almost taking Ogaden. Somalia also had millions of dollars of aid and support from the soviets for much longer than Ethiopia had at the time. Somalia a country of people who are so proud but have little to no accomplishments...miskeen. Ethiopia a diverse country full of hundreds of different groups and ethnicities are more united than Somalia. The people who defeated you in the Ogaden were oromos, because oromos are Ethiopian. You have a long coast and you guys do absolutely squat with it. What has Somalia ever done for the world?? We preserved the religion which you currently have. Bow down.

[Jabuutawi]

^Kitfo Connoisseur,

You preserved only your vivid imagination. In fact had it not been for Europeans, Soviets and now Western donors, your Abyssinia would have been in the dust bin of history long ago. Time and time again you were saved by Portuguese, the Vatican, Soviets and now handouts from the West.

Fact:

However, Somalia was easily overpowering Ethiopian military hardware and technology capability. Army-general Vasily Petrov of the Soviet Armed Forces had to report back to Moscow the "sorry state" of the Ethiopian Army. The 3rd and 4th Ethiopian Infantry Divisions that suffered the brunt of the Somali invasion had practically ceased to exist

Fact: Your Portuguese protector meets his demise.

In the end Ahmad Gurey chopped off Gama's head and tossed it into a nearby spring

Many of your tribal emperors met the same fate as Cristova da Gama.

[Negusyenegast]

^Kitfo Connoisseur,

You preserved only your vivid imagination. In fact had it not been for Europeans, Soviets and now Western donors, your Abyssinia would have been in the dust bin of history long ago. Time and time again you were saved by Portuguese, the Vatican, Soviets and now handouts from the West.

Fact:

However, Somalia was easily overpowering Ethiopian military hardware and technology capability. Army-general Vasily Petrov of the Soviet Armed Forces had to report back to Moscow the "sorry state" of the Ethiopian Army. The 3rd and 4th Ethiopian Infantry Divisions that suffered the brunt of the Somali invasion had practically ceased to exist

Fact: Your Portuguese protector meets his demise.

In the end Ahmad Gurey chopped off Gama's head and tossed it into a nearby spring

Many of your tribal emperors met the same fate as Cristova da Gama.

First off gurey wasn't even a smelly. Second he had thousands of weapons including canons from the Turks, even had thousands of soldiers, why do you think the balance switched. Amda sion wiped his ass with both the afar ifat and their relatives the afar adals. The whole war was a civil between Ethiopians, you guys were just used for cannon fodder as always. But guess what happened at the end of the day? We killed him, we took the land, and now we control all of it till this day. Somalia tried attacking A fragmented Ethiopia but guess what happened? We destroyed 90% of your army, funded the civil war in Somalia, now we just sit back while the thousands of troops from every country in Africa takes their turn on you. Was it worth it at the end? Was it worth the millions of lives lost for almost doing something? That's how ludicrous you sound at the end of the day. Your people live in a fantasy world where almost is good enough. Ethiopians only talk about accomplishments not "almost'.

[GIJaamac]

^Kitfo Connoisseur,

You preserved only your vivid imagination. In fact had it not been for Europeans, Soviets and now Western donors, your Abyssinia would have been in the dust bin of history long ago. Time and time again you were saved by Portuguese, the Vatican, Soviets and now handouts from the West.

Fact:

However, Somalia was easily overpowering Ethiopian military hardware and technology capability. Army-general Vasily Petrov of the Soviet Armed Forces had to report back to Moscow the "sorry state" of the Ethiopian Army. The 3rd and 4th Ethiopian Infantry Divisions that suffered the brunt of the Somali invasion had practically ceased to exist

Fact: Your Portuguese protector meets his demise.

In the end Ahmad Gurey chopped off Gama's head and tossed it into a nearby spring

Many of your tribal emperors met the same fate as Cristova da Gama.

First off gurey wasn't even a smelly. Second he had thousands of weapons including canons from the Turks, even had thousands of soldiers, why do you think the balance switched. Amda sion wiped his ass with both the afar ifat and their relatives the afar adals. The whole war was a civil between Ethiopians, you guys were just used for cannon fodder as always. But guess what happened at the end of the day? We killed him, we took the land, and now we control all of it till this day. Somalia tried attacking A fragmented Ethiopia but guess what happened? We destroyed 90% of your army, funded the civil war in Somalia, now we just sit back while the thousands of troops from every country in Africa takes their turn on you. Was it worth it at the end? Was it worth the millions of lives lost for almost doing something? That's how ludicrous you sound at the end of the day. Your people live in a fantasy world where almost is good enough. Ethiopians only talk about accomplishments not "almost'.

Dude just wait until somali bantu becomes the leader of Somalia. A beta ethnicity like the somali lamgoodles can't defeat another beta race like ethiopians. You need to have strong alpha people like bantus to conquer and civilize your weak unhygienic people. We somali bantus will make Somalia mighty again and we will submit the low IQ betas of east africa (lamagoodles, oromos and xabashis). Just give me 50 years nigga .

[Jabuutawi]

Neftegne (you get the gist of it),

During Adal and Ifat empires Ethiopia as a country or concept didn't exist. There was no Ethiopia civil war at the time. You are blatantly lying product of a Yemeni rapist. Certainly the Afars, then as now, do not consider themselves Ethiopians in the sense your dirty mouth utters.

No one for sure knows Ahmed Gurey's ethnicity, rest assured he was a son of the inhabitants of the region -- Muslims of all persuasions, not an Amhara or Tigray. Vast number of his soldiers were Somalis, in particular, Dir, Somalis, who took the brunt of the casualties. To this day Dir has not recovered and are scattered throughout the Horn of Africa.

You were assisted by two divisions of Cuban soldiers, hundreds of Russian advisors, and, yes, so called Muslim nations like Libya and South Yemen during '77 war.

[Revolutionary]

Historically, the Christian Oromos have soft spot for the Christian Amharans, Ethiopian entity and have repeatedly back stabbed the Muslim Oromos. The Christians were treated like first class citizens during the Emperor's time and were segregated from the Muslim Oromos who lived in slumps and were marginalized so they are divided through religious and tribal lines.

The Amharans and Tigrayans managed to exploit their weakness by using the religious card and ensuring the Christian Oromos maintained their religious identity (religious identity for both Muslims and Christians in the Horns is strongly rooted in their culture, all of them) so they can apply the "divide and conquer" strategy on them and this is why they can handle them easily despite Oromos vastly outnumbering them in terms of population and territories.

The Muslim Oromos and the Eritrean Muslim faced the very similar thing during Mengistu's time when both OLF and ELF went through the same path - Muslims created the front, took the upper hand in the country then ended up infiltrated, corrupted and eventually the Christians took over, forcibly exiled all the past leaderships and the force was no longer a threat to the Highlander elites

Coincidence? I think not...

[Revolutionary]

Neftegne (you get the gist of it),

During Adal and Ifat empires Ethiopia as a country or concept didn't exist. There was no Ethiopia civil war at the time. You are blatantly lying product of a Yemeni rapist. Certainly the Afars, then as now, do not consider themselves Ethiopians in the sense your dirty mouth utters.

No one for sure knows Ahmed Gurey's ethnicity, rest assured he was a son of the inhabitants of the region -- Muslims of all persuasions, not an Amhara or Tigray. Vast number of his soldiers were Somalis, in particular, Dir, Somalis, who took the brunt of the casualties. To this day Dir has not recovered and are scattered throughout the Horn of Africa.

I disagree with the "vast numbers" of soldiers were Somalis. Some Somali nationalist will probably find some excuses like "they are all Christians while we're Muslims" since most of them don't know anyone except thinking everyone is "amxaroo" and ignoring the fact that Abyssinia have had been at war with their surrounding Muslim neighboring ethnic sultanates for 700+ years until the late 19th century.

Somalia were not even close to them. They were not even neighbors with the people in Gondar and were likely unknown to them in the first period of conflict until the expansion began so the whole "soldiers were Somalis" sound rubbish. The conflict were heavily concentrated around the Highland region and the Afar Triangle/Plateue and, they could not penetrate even further until the 18th century when European colonial powers came in the region. I don't recall Somalis living in those territories and it was most likely the Somalis who were living around eastern Ethiopia and not as whole. Historically, Somalis have been divided into small kingdoms, were never united and viewed each other as hostile neighbors so it can't be "vast numbers".

From what I've heard, the Abyssinian conflict first started against the Cushitic groups in the Highland and the surrounding North after the fall of Zagwe dynasty when the Solomonic dynasty took over and first wanted to take the Red Sea. Most people in the region and the Arabs believe the Ifat were led by the Argobba and Semitic speaking groups in Shoa while the Adal were led by the Afar and its capital were Afar, some Ethiopian Christians perceived them as Arabs so there are no conflicting opinions among them.

Anyway, I'm more interested in Northern Somalia when some members here claimed Gurey wasn't Somali because it has something do with the foreign names/presence in their land before the 1800s. His ethnicity remained mysterious till this day.

[Revolutionary]

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