Ahmed Madobe one step away from recognition

[Caytame]

jeez these guys are emotional.

sahal makes one post, and they gather around like lost puppies.

the guy can post whatever he wants waryaada.

@sahal continue your work, it clearly angers so many people with cuqdad.

at like lost puppies.

thanks sxb.

Voltage is the worst, claiming not to care, but he shows up 0.1 seconds after you click submit, and then goes on to write an essay. lmao

if you dont care, just stay out my nigga.

[sahal80]

jeez these guys are emotional.

sahal makes one post, and they gather around like lost puppies.

the guy can post whatever he wants waryaada.

@sahal continue your work, it clearly angers so many people with cuqdad.

at like lost puppies.

thanks sxb.

Voltage is the worst, claiming not to care, but he shows up 0.1 seconds after you click submit, and then goes on to write an essay. lmao

if you dont care, just stay out my nigga.

yet he says "I look at your writings like the way an adult looks at a babies' "googoo gaagaah."

"Ohhh what's that there??? Silly you! Gujiguji gujiiiii"

i finished my high school in arabaha and have an open university degree. im in the uk since 2000 im better at talking than writing. i don't wanna live in the west im planning to move to sharjah representing Hirshabelle in the UAE. madaxa gudiga deeqaha and state minister for planning and international cooperation r from my jufo they ask me to reprsent them i dubai i said i wabt sharjah. UAE is different state with a different laws and rulers. sharjah is a conservative pro sharica state the third largest state after abu dhabi and dubai. he comes here to show off his writing skills.

[dalalos101]

sxb these r my talking points you guys talk about "lafta gareens" but r against any one talking about JL and farmaajo. this guy has emotional and unstable personality disorder im done with him cause i dont like muran joogta ah and being suppressed. im only against people trolling in my threads but im not against their opinions on the topic. like he defends the corruption in baraawe though i havent opened the thread made by him he defended some corruption in my Baladweyne Riverine Project. my Ugaas has recently met with the planning minister and he apologized for the negligence saying that they sent it after it was too late but now is under reconsidaration and he said we will not wait from italy we will start it soon.. i didnt said to him stop talking about hirshabelle instead i debated with him. he made a thread about waare when he was new as model for other FMS leaders i told him this guy is not pro govt and the proof is that he joined golaha iskaashiga dawlad goboleedyada. just this week he fired hiiraan governor for meeting with Kheyre and some federal officials. he posted in my hirshabelle state house comparing mx to Abgaal and OG to hawadle kkkk he doesnt know hawadle lives from feerfeer to jowhar all the way on the westren banks of shabelle. ama adkaysi hore la hoow ama afeef danbe lahow. dont support farmaajo i will stop bring against him. dont support destabilizing the fms i will stop talking about JL. this topic is about madoobe and his OG rivals like i posted about qoorqoor and his HG rivals. he supports qoorqoor and against madoobe i can support who i wanna and be against who i wanna.

jusy like he defends the corruption baraawe he blindly defended the govt over this negligence in my own hiiraan topic no one said to him stick to your JL region

https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2019/Nov/ ... osals.aspx

ama afeef hore lahow ama adkaysi dambe lahow, maahmaah culus

I agree with Murax's initial reply, could not have said it better myself, horta Sahal Xawadle are potential allies of MX, it just so happens Murursade are a bigger and more influential than Xawadle. I would love to see a MX president with Xawadle PM, but it is very unlikely Xawadle ever gets PM post.

gets or not Xawaadle pm is too strong for mx i dont think they can handle it bc they r too HAGists and Irirists. murursade though they r proper hawiye they r in a see of bigger hawiye subclans both in Xamar and Galgaduud so they r more tolerable to mx(some galguduudnimo feeling in this HG dominated region) besides it was not up to you it has more to do with murursade who lobbied for him as a pm and his wife.

look this map. murursade surrounded by duduble, ceyr saruur and waceysle. hawadle for them are an outlet to a non hiraab community that why r peaceful at eachother.

Deyniile was part of hodan wich is mainly HG same as Hawlwadaag thiis called western xamar and the east is mainly Abgaal.


http://www.coastweek.com/3848-mapgalmadug.JPG

I disagree, Xawaadle have been useful allies to MX in the pass, and there will come opportunities in the future for alliances again, however right now we do not need alliance with Xawaadle, we are neutral towards Xawaadle, they get their justice from Farmaajo and inshallah will continue to do so. we as MX stay clear of destructive alliances that make zero sense, we are very politically mature, its no reason why MX is known for hogaan among Somalis bro, we rather sit back and let others rule until its our turn, this is what HG failed to do, otherwise they would be top runners in the coming election 2021.

Galmudug
Right now and until the foreseeable future Galmudug is literally where the road passes, and it is inhabited by MX and HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), rest of Galmudug has small population, arid land and there is Alshabab there aswell. This is why The president and kuxigeen is reserved to either MX or HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), while the speaker of parliament reserved to Murursade, Wacaysle, Dir.

MX does not need Murursade in Galmudug, lets look at the facts, and the power structure of Galmudug, instead of throwing around slander against MX and Murursade for a unholy alliance in Galmudug.
previously the President of Galmudug was Sacad while Kuxigeen was Rer Diini(Rer Warsame), MX-HG coalition.
During the election for president and kuxigeen was literally just MX and HG coalitions battling each other, the President became Saleebaan and the Kuxigeen became Celi, and the runner ups were Cayr and Rer Dalal(General Diini's brother) coalition.
The rogue administration administration in Gaalkacyo consisted of Sacad and Rer Dalal(former head of ASWJ Guureeye) coalition.


Xamar I agree Murursade, HG and Abgaal are big players, Xamar is has local administration dominated by Abgaal and it is the seat of the SFG where Murursade are PM.

Murursade are rapidly over taking HG in Hawiye power structure, and I am interested to see Xawaadle do the same in the future, with new and fresh leadership.

[Kees70]

ama afeef hore lahow ama adkaysi dambe lahow, maahmaah culus

I agree with Murax's initial reply, could not have said it better myself, horta Sahal Xawadle are potential allies of MX, it just so happens Murursade are a bigger and more influential than Xawadle. I would love to see a MX president with Xawadle PM, but it is very unlikely Xawadle ever gets PM post.

gets or not Xawaadle pm is too strong for mx i dont think they can handle it bc they r too HAGists and Irirists. murursade though they r proper hawiye they r in a see of bigger hawiye subclans both in Xamar and Galgaduud so they r more tolerable to mx(some galguduudnimo feeling in this HG dominated region) besides it was not up to you it has more to do with murursade who lobbied for him as a pm and his wife.

look this map. murursade surrounded by duduble, ceyr saruur and waceysle. hawadle for them are an outlet to a non hiraab community that why r peaceful at eachother.

Deyniile was part of hodan wich is mainly HG same as Hawlwadaag thiis called western xamar and the east is mainly Abgaal.


http://www.coastweek.com/3848-mapgalmadug.JPG

I disagree, Xawaadle have been useful allies to MX in the pass, and there will come opportunities in the future for alliances again, however right now we do not need alliance with Xawaadle, we are neutral towards Xawaadle, they get their justice from Farmaajo and inshallah will continue to do so. we as MX stay clear of destructive alliances that make zero sense, we are very politically mature, its no reason why MX is known for hogaan among Somalis bro, we rather sit back and let others rule until its our turn, this is what HG failed to do, otherwise they would be top runners in the coming election 2021.

Galmudug
Right now and until the foreseeable future Galmudug is literally where the road passes, and it is inhabited by MX and HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), rest of Galmudug has small population, arid land and there is Alshabab there aswell. This is why The president and kuxigeen is reserved to either MX or HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), while the speaker of parliament reserved to Murursade, Wacaysle, Dir.

MX does not need Murursade in Galmudug, lets look at the facts, and the power structure of Galmudug, instead of throwing around slander against MX and Murursade for a unholy alliance in Galmudug.
previously the President of Galmudug was Sacad while Kuxigeen was Rer Diini(Rer Warsame), MX-HG coalition.
During the election for president and kuxigeen was literally just MX and HG coalitions battling each other, the President became Saleebaan and the Kuxigeen became Celi, and the runner ups were Cayr and Rer Dalal(General Diini's brother) coalition.
The rogue administration administration in Gaalkacyo consisted of Sacad and Rer Dalal(former head of ASWJ Guureeye) coalition.


Xamar I agree Murursade, HG and Abgaal are big players, Xamar is has local administration dominated by Abgaal and it is the seat of the SFG where Murursade are PM.

Murursade are rapidly over taking HG in Hawiye power structure, and I am interested to see Xawaadle do the same in the future, with new and fresh leadership.

[Voltage]

yet he says "I look at your writings like the way an adult looks at a babies' "googoo gaagaah."

"Ohhh what's that there??? Silly you! Gujiguji gujiiiii"

i finished my high school in arabaha and have an open university degree. im in the uk since 2000 im better at talking than writing. i don't wanna live in the west im planning to move to sharjah representing Hirshabelle in the UAE. madaxa gudiga deeqaha and state minister for planning and international cooperation r from my jufo they ask me to reprsent them i dubai i said i wabt sharjah. UAE is different state with a different laws and rulers. sharjah is a conservative pro sharica state the third largest state after abu dhabi and dubai. he comes here to show off his writing skills.

My apologies if it seemed I was "literally" talking about your writing because that is not what I meant. I was "figuratively" saying the concept of "foreign hand imposes leader from opposition if they boycott elections" is a childish reasoning.

1. There is powerful foreign interest in Somalia sure, but no one is that powerful.
2. Even if they were, choosing from the opposition after boycot is the definition of "rewarding bad behavior."
3. Why would madasha even resort to boycott when both Hassan and Sheekh Sharif are master at playing the dirty game.

So the logic doesn't stand.

It had nothing to do with your writing. I ironically enough I actually complimented your writing saying you have shown tremendous improvement---and even then, your insights deserve more praise for quality you got across while developing your English.

commentary----a fact made more remarkable by the state of your English then. Let's just say you have improved a lot.

Finally, I don't really want to play the comparison game, so I will just briefly respond to your three points.

1. You have every right to talk about what you want. And I have ever right to express my opinion of it. It is not that you talk about an issue; it is the why and the how you so it. You do it for hate. I did it because it was relevant that day.

2. Barawe Airport is completely 100% real and affirmed. I have a direct family member not affiliated with the government who confirmed it for me. I am speaking strictly about the runway as the issue. The ugly building is irrelevant to me since they are ALL ugly except for the Mog Turkish built one. Frankly I think it is tremendously shameful the way some still want to politicize this.

3. Beled-Weyne issue is actually completely comparable to how long Barawe took. Donor countries have a government budget which is audited every year and reconciled. If the money hasn't been used for the budget period, it is "closed" during reconciliation. It is then added to the new budget period as a new project for auditing purposes.

• Barawe Airport, because of Shabaab reasons and AMISOM inability to hold, was unable to be started for couple years and the budget kept opening it as a new item every yeahr.
• The LA Repubblica Somali blogger lady literally started a controversy over nothing. The Italian government never took any money back. She made a huge issue out of the project being closed at the end of the year for auditing reasons without considering to check that it was reopened at then beginning of next year.
  • Again, this project WAS NOT ABOUT FLOODS. This is a fact. This project was about FAMINE RESILIENCY. It was opposite of flood work. They were trying to get water from the River, Not stop it.
  • Also this project was for iDPS and the SOMALI BANTU/SHIIDLE/MAKANNE community. I have no idea why it was tribalized as if you were being denied equity. [
  • Also, this project WASN'T about "Beled-Weyne" but for banks of the Shabelle River settled by the IDPS and EXPLICITLY contained even up to BALCAD.
• Finally, as for why it took some time. I have found out that THEY ALWAYS TAKE LONGER if they are from an EU member. While Qatar and Turkey for example have direct BILATERAL aid relationship with Somalia, the Europeans DO NOT. No SINGLE European nation has a bilateral aid relationship with Somalia EXCEPT FOR NORWAY. When Italy gives money, IT GOES INTO A FUND LIKE THE SOMALI STABILITY FUND. THE FUND IS DIRECTLY CO-MANAGED BY THE SOMALI GOVERNMENT AND THE UN SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE. THEY LITERALLY BOTH HAVE TO SIGN TO DISBURSE THE AID FROM THE FUND. THE UN SR AND THE SOMALI GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE MINISTER OF PLANNING USE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO COORDINATE THE USE OF THE FUND. SO IF ITALY GIVES SOMETHING, THE FUND LOOKS AT WHAT OTHER PROJECT'S ARE HAPPENING WITH THAT ISSUE, ARE THERE REASONS FOR COMBINING, DOES THE PROPOSAL NEED TO BE SENT BACK TO ALLOCATE SOME OF THE MONEY FOR ANOTHER.[/IMG]
  
  Dude I literally went through the Italian Foreign Minister audit reports and tedius ad hoc information only relevant to their accountants, accessed the entire AICS Italian foreign development database to understand the issue. I never really shared it with anyone except Perfect Order who was causally around while in the middle of reading it.
  
  It was a very inflamed tribal thing and I literally had no equities in the issue so I was like whatever, don't even make an issue of this. I still have all these random PDFs in my already overflowing drives.
  
  I was actually very thankful that I got the chance to do that because I was shocked by how oblivious I was to the politics of aid in Somalia after doing that research. And I am one of the better informed folks on account of keeping up----it means there must be a very very small minority who are actually aware

[dalalos101]

gets or not Xawaadle pm is too strong for mx i dont think they can handle it bc they r too HAGists and Irirists. murursade though they r proper hawiye they r in a see of bigger hawiye subclans both in Xamar and Galgaduud so they r more tolerable to mx(some galguduudnimo feeling in this HG dominated region) besides it was not up to you it has more to do with murursade who lobbied for him as a pm and his wife.

look this map. murursade surrounded by duduble, ceyr saruur and waceysle. hawadle for them are an outlet to a non hiraab community that why r peaceful at eachother.

Deyniile was part of hodan wich is mainly HG same as Hawlwadaag thiis called western xamar and the east is mainly Abgaal.


http://www.coastweek.com/3848-mapgalmadug.JPG

I disagree, Xawaadle have been useful allies to MX in the pass, and there will come opportunities in the future for alliances again, however right now we do not need alliance with Xawaadle, we are neutral towards Xawaadle, they get their justice from Farmaajo and inshallah will continue to do so. we as MX stay clear of destructive alliances that make zero sense, we are very politically mature, its no reason why MX is known for hogaan among Somalis bro, we rather sit back and let others rule until its our turn, this is what HG failed to do, otherwise they would be top runners in the coming election 2021.

Galmudug
Right now and until the foreseeable future Galmudug is literally where the road passes, and it is inhabited by MX and HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), rest of Galmudug has small population, arid land and there is Alshabab there aswell. This is why The president and kuxigeen is reserved to either MX or HG(CAyr, Saleeban, SAcad), while the speaker of parliament reserved to Murursade, Wacaysle, Dir.

MX does not need Murursade in Galmudug, lets look at the facts, and the power structure of Galmudug, instead of throwing around slander against MX and Murursade for a unholy alliance in Galmudug.
previously the President of Galmudug was Sacad while Kuxigeen was Rer Diini(Rer Warsame), MX-HG coalition.
During the election for president and kuxigeen was literally just MX and HG coalitions battling each other, the President became Saleebaan and the Kuxigeen became Celi, and the runner ups were Cayr and Rer Dalal(General Diini's brother) coalition.
The rogue administration administration in Gaalkacyo consisted of Sacad and Rer Dalal(former head of ASWJ Guureeye) coalition.


Xamar I agree Murursade, HG and Abgaal are big players, Xamar is has local administration dominated by Abgaal and it is the seat of the SFG where Murursade are PM.

Murursade are rapidly over taking HG in Hawiye power structure, and I am interested to see Xawaadle do the same in the future, with new and fresh leadership.

HG have been reduced to MJ puppets

[Voltage]

Voltage ninyaho adaaba ka daran. The sole purpose of the thread was to drag you in nothing else and you took the bait and noticed

Hence when he says mission accomplished. I saw the thread awhile ago and just laughed because I know this kind of became a personal FKD thing back and forth not analysis. If you left it alone it would have ended with the 1 reply from whoever got the niyad dis and it would have ended. Now you gave it credibility

Voltage WAR-waa-jecle

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

Marehan and farmaajo should've let Ahmed madoobe have his term and contest the next election, now Madoobe has won becos of the poor leadership and he will no doubt have more supporters in thw next one.

Farmaajo tactics has failed now madoobe one worked, simply as that. OG will move to kismaayo now to reinforce the numbers and defend madoobe at all cost.


The best way to let things go is to leave alone.
If farmaajo didnt engage he would've had a good outcome and gain creditable. Now he lost kidmaayo which will cost him the presidential vote like puntland.

[Murax]

Okay since this is a real thread now where people can express their thoughts, and everybody’s being civil I’ll express mine. I am very disappointed in N&N to the point I really wouldn’t say I’m a ‘supporter’ per se.


I personally think N&N not demanding Kenyan withdrawal was simply poor leadership, and a weak move. Let a country that has real immediate, clear as day conflict of interest leave so Somalis could be left to support Jubbaland. Instead you focus on the pawns (Madoobe, Jaan), while not confronting their ultimate enabler Kenya head on diplomatically.


Okay so now for some of my objective analysis, Madoobe is currently winning over Farmaajo. Farmaajo is judged on do you rule the whole country while Madoobe is judged by how long can you stay in one city Kismayo. The scales are different.


That said the game isn’t over. Troops are amassing in Baardheere, and Sh Hoose with both heading to M Jubba. If Farmaajo gets his hands on Bu’aale, that’s the official constitutional capital of Jubbaland. He gets hands on it, holds elections, recognizes the leader everybody else will follow suit a la Qoorqoor, a la Laftagareen etc. As disgusted and disappointed in N&N as I am I’ll bet on FGS capturing Bu’aale before Madoobe who can’t step a foot outside Somalia anyday.

[Caytame]

Marehan and farmaajo should've let Ahmed madoobe have his term and contest the next election, now Madoobe has won becos of the poor leadership and he will no doubt have more supporters in thw next one.

Farmaajo tactics has failed now madoobe one worked, simply as that. OG will move to kismaayo now to reinforce the numbers and defend madoobe at all cost.


The best way to let things go is to leave alone.
If farmaajo didnt engage he would've had a good outcome and gain creditable. Now he lost kidmaayo which will cost him the presidential vote like puntland.

kismaayo is at least 75% OG right now.
i was there until the end of last year. mx lost influence in 2006, and most fled back to gedo and abudwaaq, those who could.

there are more sheekhaal in the city than marehan.

Every ogaden clan has a xaafad, with reer cabdulle have multiple.

in outright war, marehan are simply outnumbered and outgunned both in the city, and out of it. even with farmaajo and abiy's guns, they dont have the numbers anymore.

[original dervish]

Sahal you are probably one of the most objective analysts on snet.
Most of your threads a well researched and based on good political sources.

Farmaajo's tribal agenda in J/L has failed miserably.
Madoobe will soon capture Buaale and then its game over for the spoilers.

[Samatalis249]

Marehan and farmaajo should've let Ahmed madoobe have his term and contest the next election, now Madoobe has won becos of the poor leadership and he will no doubt have more supporters in thw next one.

Farmaajo tactics has failed now madoobe one worked, simply as that. OG will move to kismaayo now to reinforce the numbers and defend madoobe at all cost.


The best way to let things go is to leave alone.
If farmaajo didnt engage he would've had a good outcome and gain creditable. Now he lost kidmaayo which will cost him the presidential vote like puntland.

Kkkk war maskin idoor ah bad tahay you don’t understand darood daqan. Darood don’t contest election and hand over power even between themselves. That’s why Mahmoud salebaan have been ruling PL for 20 odd years. Jubaland mulkiyaadisa ayay isku haystaan oo cidamo ajnabi ah isugu adeegsanayaan. Have you even heard of a darood president hand over power peacefully? The closest is abdullahi yusuf who was forced by the international community.

[dalalos101]

sahal your Samaale brothers are being massacred by dhuxuleyste and you are here making fake news propaganda for him, you have indirect blood on your hands saxib.

[sahal80]

sahal your Samaale brothers are being massacred by dhuxuleyste and you are here making fake news propaganda for him, you have indirect blood on your hands saxib.

kkkkk i don't care. i don't buy it. demonizing JL dervish forces and Farmaajo talking about it telling me something dodgy going on there. Cawramale was adopted by harti Daarood so they started flexing their muscles on other Samaales in the area north of kismaayo like yoontooy. they gave my folks in there hard time after they brought matoor for irrigation they look down on Gaaljecel. ayagaaba dadka ka cararaya! they have been reprogrammed hakaa saarto warsangalinimada!. they r actually buffer zone for Darod

look this map. we dont settle inside the darod. we r scattered between jilib and kismayo and buaale. behid us dir in Jamaame, HG in sablaale and baraawe, too much jareer and eelaays on the way to buaale and saakow. just 30k north of kismaayo there is cawramale allied with harti you see yoontoy and before them gaaljecel and sheekhaal in beerxaano(with dalxe mx) and geesgaduud. after kismaayo the coast is harti and fishers and the hinterland is cawramale and gaaljecel and then you have OG along the jubada hoose, jubada dhexe and gedo borders and that is how they got squeezed by kablalah. i think OG has been good to Gaaljecel raskambooni gudoomiye is gaaljecel and a manager in Kismayo airport. these guys have no other choice they have to accept the situation. in the early 90s my folks left gedo(dolow) to Ethiopia in moyale where they joined other hawadle who settle with degodia now they made reverse migration they reached shabelle and settled in a baajimaal(dir) area between qalaafe and mustahil.

[dalalos101]

sahal your Samaale brothers are being massacred by dhuxuleyste and you are here making fake news propaganda for him, you have indirect blood on your hands saxib.

kkkkk i don't care. i don't buy it. demonizing JL dervish forces and Farmaajo talking about it telling me something dodgy going on there. Cawramale was adopted by harti Daarood so they started flexing their muscles on other Samaales in the area north of kismaayo like yoontooy. they gave my folks in there hard time after they brought matoor for irrigation they look down on Gaaljecel. ayagaaba dadka ka cararaya! they have been reprogrammed hakaa saarto warsangalinimada!. they r actually buffer zone for Darod

look this map. we dont settle inside the darod. we r scattered between jilib and kismayo and buaale. behid us dir in Jamaame, HG in sablaale and baraawe, too much jareer and eelaays on the way to buaale and saakow. just 30k north of kismaayo there is cawramale allied with harti you see yoontoy and before them gaaljecel and sheekhaal in beerxaano(with dalxe mx) and geesgaduud. after kismaayo the coast is harti and fishers and the hinterland is cawramale and gaaljecel and then you have OG along the jubada hoose, jubada dhexe and gedo borders and that is how they got squeezed by kablalah. i think OG has been good to Gaaljecel raskambooni gudoomiye is gaaljecel and a manager in Kismayo airport. these guys have no other choice they have to accept the situation. in the early 90s my folks left gedo(dolow) to Ethiopia in moyale where they joined other hawadle who settle with degodia now they made reverse migration they reached shabelle and settled in a baajimaal(dir) area between qalaafe and mustahil.

Waryahe iska amu, laangaab hami yar buu ilahay kaa dhigay