Balkanization is the only Cure for Somalia, let every State be its own Nation!

[Kees70]

Ustaad Sahal, walahi for the past years i have realised perhaps Beesha Majerteen are right that Balkanization or a very weak Somalia based on Confederations is the only way for Somalia.

We all know there is no love within Beelaha Hawiye, or Darood iyo even Dir, so why do we insist to be stuck together when we all hate each others?

Let every state be its own independent Nation and than we could perhaps work together like Gulf Arab countries or like EU countries.

Somalia as one country only benefits Alshabaabs and homeless looma-oyaan langaabs.

[sahal80]

that what i said all way along. Dblock are undemocratic qawmiyad dhulkooda ha isku maamylaan. fiiri JL iskuma ogola dhexdooda inay compromise gaaraan xataa doorashada sidee qoortaada ugu dhiiban kartaa?

hadalkeyga maaha mid ka dhan ah Dblock waxaa kaloo ku jira inay ayagana is xukumaan


hawiye powersharing waa dhici karaa sida Galmudug for HG, Hirshabelle for Hawadle, Banaadir for Abgaal hadii marka hore ay dhulkooda katashadaan laakiin Daarood hadeey go,aan waligood waa isou isheysan JL.


isaaqa waxay kala adkaadeen mid 90skii waxaa abuurmay jeegaan. Hawadle is in the middle like HJ ayagaaa hiraab u baahanyihiin si ay u kala adkaadaan(HAG jeegaan) laakiin waxaa hortaagan Dblock oo deegaankooda ku heesta(XAMAR) hadii kale mar horaa lakala bixi lahaa.

[Kees70]

Ustaad you are right that it isn't only Daroods we are talking about, but Hawiyes too, we Hawiye have different ideology and interests for our individual states, so i think it's best for everyone that we separate ASAP into different nations and kill this failed project called Somalia oo stateless langaabs kunool yihiin.

Somalia and 4.5 has benefited everyone (all the looma oyaan langaabs) except the stateholding clans.

Sink or swim, let everyone men focus on his States.

And Ustaad you are right again about the Hawiye PowerSharing, anaga HGs we would Hate any Hawiye that would Govern us let alone in our HG state Galmudug, marka let Xawadle focus on their Hirshabelle, Abgaals the Banaadir and HGs there Galmudug.

If we want we can separate into different nations or we can have loose confederation, and nothing else, there is too much hate for us to be under 1 nation as we have witnessed on Somalia for the last 40 years.

[sahal80]

Ustaad you are right that it isn't only Daroods we are talking about, but Hawiyes too, we Hawiye have different ideology and interests for our individual states, so i think it's best for everyone that we separate ASAP into different nations and kill this failed project called Somalia oo stateless langaabs kunool yihiin.

Somalia and 4.5 has benefited everyone (all the looma oyaan langaabs) except the stateholding clans.

Sink or swim, let everyone men focus on his States.

i agree with you in General. Mashruucaan federalismka MJ aa habeeyeen oo ka dhigeen labo gobol to fit only their interests since harti have more gobolo given to them by Siyad barre. You lucky you have your own State. as for Hiiraan as i said we are in the middle we can be allied with HG in this federalism but this can only happen if Mogadishu was freed first from the other clans(forget amisom and Al shabaab)

waxaa imaaneysa in HAG isku qabsadaan Mogadishu markale laakiin politically ah not war lords under federalism. Galmudug and Hirshabelle will be competing for Villa Xamar and Baladweyne will be the king maker. you May see Abgaals supporting Hawadle for villa Somalia or HG supporting Hawadle in Hirshabelle to back them.

im one of New Hawadle aqoonyahano who are inclined to HG in this federalism that will destroy what they call Hiraabism but first you need to free Mogadishu hadii kale waligiid waa loo talin from outside who are against HG!

[mahor]

Colonialism is the worst thing to happen to us. In a better age we'd all be part of separate states, co-existing in peace without all the insanity of the last 40 years, trying to make something work that simply cannot work. Somalia being in anarchy and divided up isnt some accident or because of some dictator messing up or the west sabotaging us, it was a natural course for a "country" that isn't really a country.

[Kees70]

Ustaad you are right that it isn't only Daroods we are talking about, but Hawiyes too, we Hawiye have different ideology and interests for our individual states, so i think it's best for everyone that we separate ASAP into different nations and kill this failed project called Somalia oo stateless langaabs kunool yihiin.

Somalia and 4.5 has benefited everyone (all the looma oyaan langaabs) except the stateholding clans.

Sink or swim, let everyone men focus on his States.

i agree with you in General. Mashruucaan federalismka MJ aa habeeyeen oo ka dhigeen labo gobol to fit only their interests since harti have more gobolo given to them by Siyad barre. You lucky you have your own State. as for Hiiraan as i said we are in the middle we can be allied with HG in this federalism but this can only happen if Mogadishu was freed first from the other clans(forget amisom and Al shabaab)

waxaa imaaneysa in HAG isku qabsadaan Mogadishu markale laakiin politically ah not war lords under federalism. Galmudug and Hirshabelle will be competing for Villa Xamar and Baladweyne will be the king maker. you May see Abgaals supporting Hawadle for villa Somalia or HG supporting Hawadle in Hirshabelle to back them.

im one of New Hawadle aqoonyahano who are inclined to HG in this federalism that will destroy what they call Hiraabism but first you need to free Mogadishu hadii kale waligiid waa loo talin from outside who are against HG!

This is an good suggestion Ustaadi, lakin aniga and all the HGs we want nothing to do with other Hawiye, yacni we want this Colonial project Called Somalia to die out and let every State be its own Nations, we HG, Abgaals, and Xawadle we share nothing that unite us as 1, look by example in Mogadishu every Hawiye clan has its own areas which clearly indicates that we can never be under 1 maamul.

Mark my words, the day Somalia dies out, the Hawiye in Somalia will be like those in Ethiopia and Kenya an irrelevant clan under gumeysi, our goal should be to let the fittest clan survive and the weak die out.

This fake Hawiye midnimo or Darood midnimo needs to be killed off, just like Isaaq killed off the Dir Midnimo.

[STARKAST]

China 1.5 billions people.
Somalis want to break off to 2 million population countries ?
Don’t be low IQ guys.

HG before Galmudug was fighting against each other and separated in Galgaduud !

Point is — everyone fights or has issues — just suck it up create alliances and move on

[BigBreak]

China 1.5 billions people.
Somalis want to break off to 2 million population countries ?
Don’t be low IQ guys.

HG before Galmudug was fighting against each other and separated in Galgaduud !

Point is — everyone fights or has issues — just suck it up create alliances and move on

Preach unity first to your Dhabyaco people first laangaabyahow stealth secessionist ah

[Amin5457]

balkanisation is the only way! galmudug for hg and hirshablle and banadir for abgaal. if ppl dont like that then fock off. hiraan can join galmudug and banadir along with middle shablle can be its own state. ( we can even add ceel dhere district to the new state if we are feeling cheeky)

[paperino]

Colonialism is the worst thing to happen to us. In a better age we'd all be part of separate states, co-existing in peace without all the insanity of the last 40 years, trying to make something work that simply cannot work. Somalia being in anarchy and divided up isnt some accident or because of some dictator messing up or the west sabotaging us, it was a natural course for a "country" that isn't really a country.

There's confusion in your comment, perhaps you could clarify it. You've absolved Somalia's anarchism from 'the west sabotaging us' among other blames, yet claimed 'Colonialism is the worst thing to happen to us', and ultimately attributed the blame to a country 'that isn't really a country.' You claim the solution is being 'part of separate states', yet you know statehood isn't practical as one of the states failed to gain it for several decades. What's more, some of the states (PL, JL, SL, etc) exercised some autonomy for the past several years, yet failed to attain self-sufficiency, provide basic services, employment for the youth (+80% unemployment rate), limit endemic corruption, improve infrastructure, prepare/limit effects of climate change, and had to beg the world to feed its citizens. I would say your suggestion of 'separate states' is immature, impractical & doesn't reflect the realities on the ground.

[Nomand]

China 1.5 billions people.
Somalis want to break off to 2 million population countries ?
Don’t be low IQ guys.

HG before Galmudug was fighting against each other and separated in Galgaduud !

Point is — everyone fights or has issues — just suck it up create alliances and move on

Preach unity first to your Dhabyaco people first laangaabyahow stealth secessionist ah

[mahor]

Colonialism is the worst thing to happen to us. In a better age we'd all be part of separate states, co-existing in peace without all the insanity of the last 40 years, trying to make something work that simply cannot work. Somalia being in anarchy and divided up isnt some accident or because of some dictator messing up or the west sabotaging us, it was a natural course for a "country" that isn't really a country.

There's confusion in your comment, perhaps you could clarify it. You've absolved Somalia's anarchism from 'the west sabotaging us' among other blames, yet claimed 'Colonialism is the worst thing to happen to us', and ultimately attributed the blame to a country 'that isn't really a country.' You claim the solution is being 'part of separate states', yet you know statehood isn't practical as one of the states failed to gain it for several decades. What's more, some of the states (PL, JL, SL, etc) exercised some autonomy for the past several years, yet failed to attain self-sufficiency, provide basic services, employment for the youth (+80% unemployment rate), limit endemic corruption, improve infrastructure, prepare/limit effects of climate change, and had to beg the world to feed its citizens. I would say your suggestion of 'separate states' is immature, impractical & doesn't reflect the realities on the ground.

Colonialism was bad in the sense that it forced all to be in one state, regarding recent history concerning the leadup to and the civil war itself i lay vast majority of the blame on somalis, there are folks who believe in some western conspiracy where the western gov have an interest in somalia being in the state it's in and profits off somalia's misery's.
Regarding development just look at the state of Puntland and Somaliland, the two most peaceful region in somalia for the last 30 years and these regions have experienced unprecedented development unlike pre gov-collapse. I have no doubt that with foreign investments and ability to extract resources somali states will reach a new level in development.
Somalia has always been starving, extremely poor country with high unemployment rate and its not guaranteed to change just because we're united. It's more of an issue of leadership.

[mahoka]

Ustaad you are right that it isn't only Daroods we are talking about, but Hawiyes too, we Hawiye have different ideology and interests for our individual states, so i think it's best for everyone that we separate ASAP into different nations and kill this failed project called Somalia oo stateless langaabs kunool yihiin.

Somalia and 4.5 has benefited everyone (all the looma oyaan langaabs) except the stateholding clans.

Sink or swim, let everyone men focus on his States.

i agree with you in General. Mashruucaan federalismka MJ aa habeeyeen oo ka dhigeen labo gobol to fit only their interests since harti have more gobolo given to them by Siyad barre. You lucky you have your own State. as for Hiiraan as i said we are in the middle we can be allied with HG in this federalism but this can only happen if Mogadishu was freed first from the other clans(forget amisom and Al shabaab)

waxaa imaaneysa in HAG isku qabsadaan Mogadishu markale laakiin politically ah not war lords under federalism. Galmudug and Hirshabelle will be competing for Villa Xamar and Baladweyne will be the king maker. you May see Abgaals supporting Hawadle for villa Somalia or HG supporting Hawadle in Hirshabelle to back them.

im one of New Hawadle aqoonyahano who are inclined to HG in this federalism that will destroy what they call Hiraabism but first you need to free Mogadishu hadii kale waligiid waa loo talin from outside who are against HG!

This is an good suggestion Ustaadi, lakin aniga and all the HGs we want nothing to do with other Hawiye, yacni we want this Colonial project Called Somalia to die out and let every State be its own Nations, we HG, Abgaals, and Xawadle we share nothing that unite us as 1, look by example in Mogadishu every Hawiye clan has its own areas which clearly indicates that we can never be under 1 maamul.

Mark my words, the day Somalia dies out, the Hawiye in Somalia will be like those in Ethiopia and Kenya an irrelevant clan under gumeysi, our goal should be to let the fittest clan survive and the weak die out.

This fake Hawiye midnimo or Darood midnimo needs to be killed off, just like Isaaq killed off the Dir Midnimo.

Isaaq and dir are not the same clan but two neighbouring clans who also shared Adal sultanate.

Isaaq subclans may have some issues with each other but they still love each other. SAcad muse and habar yonis are political opps but still love each other

[Khalid Ali]

Somalia will only fully balkanise if hawiye declares indepedence from Somalia imagine if hawiye declares independence what will the international comunity do and say. Hawiye could easily dominate from galkacyo all the way to raskambooni they would dominate the small ethnic jebertis in Gedo and Afmadow and also the eeley gipzies who are not even a real clan

[TarTar]

ustad sahal all this time i've bin telling u don't let governa Deni steal seats. he gonna use it against u. now ur afraid he gonna be a dictator in Hamar. even though budhcadland bin stealth secessionist with farmajo as president. budhcadland was stealth secessionist under tha 2 donkey presidents HSM n SS. so now ur saying hawiya should become stealth secessionist like magerenland

niggas turning secessionist for fear of a stealth secessionist governor that got whooped by warlord Diana



n this nigga sahal always tells me no ictiraaf