Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen property

[Voltage]

Relax Alpha, I'm not here to post the second someone respond to me. Basically by logic of deduction, I am confident you are what you are. This topic is about property and not just property but an attempt to delegitimize the most visible injustice Somalis had ever seen and which took place in Mogadishu in 1991.

Even if you are not one of the clans that underwent looting of properties in post-civil war Somalia, most other Somalis of goodwill are not on that side. They either announce a neutral perspective but which strongly identifies with justice post-civil war total and absolute loot of the property and wealth of a major clan in the capital or they say we are so and so and we are not of goodwill and we side with the looters against you for whatever reason. The last group is usually composed of Somalilanders. Now you, rather than even showing a iota of solidarity with justice in civil war Somalia as most people of goodwill would do even if they are neither H or D, you in a sly and I have to say kind of dishonest way helped facilitate the false equivalence that ran rampant in this topic and solely dedicated your entire response to delegitimizing the very real and credible claim to injustice in the 90's of a community in the capital of which the entire world recorded.

Give me a break dude. Obviously you are the one that needs to grow a pair. I don't have a problem with you having that objective as long as the pathway to getting there is not dishonest.

[Alphanumeric]

Man you're a heinous and ill-intended individual. Seek help.

My question was simply to better understand the situation on the ground back home. Nothing else.

[Avicenna]

In all honesty, this forum is the only place I see so much clan talk easily hurled back & forth. And I'm at least 10 years older than most of the culprits. It leaves me scratching my head whenever I see young people who have never seen the war (or did as infants or tots), have lived most of their lives in the West, who's parents invested in by providing a roof over their heads & sending them to school, most likely sheltered them from the ills & vices of clan mentalities, who are set to be Somalia's future spending so much time circling around the same issues again & again i.e. my clan & its shitholes is better than yours & their shitholes. I feel like saying " Yes, we get it already! You're overcompensating for missed opportunities, yes - you've never seen Somalia or your clans, yes - you were suckling on your thumb while everyone else around you was having a pissing contest over who's clan is what! Ok, alright! Can you please stop now?" Holy fuck! When will ever stop? Education doesn't seem to have done much for the ones here, how will it the ones back home?

I think the majority of people who bicker about clan heard it first in the home. I've never heard much about it, and my guess is that's reflected in my posts. It does bother me why so many of us are clinging onto something that we didn't live through, but when I think about the fact many of us still have family back home who were directly affected by this, it becomes slightly understandable. And your point about overcompensation is key. Personally speaking, I have very little attachment to culture and land, so I can see merit in holding onto what little we can. Unfortunately, it's use isn't always admirable. Will education help? Yes. But only if the family is focused on the long term goal of prosperity, rather than what qabiildude y said about qabiildude x.

Not only did we not live through it, but it does not apply to us. Clans historically served a purpose i.e. a brotherhood of sorts in times of wars, famine, territorial expansion, etc. What can we as individuals do for our clans when they are thousands of miles away? Its not applicable to our lives. Its time came & went. For the same reason most of us don't belong to gangs (need for belonging), its futile to be all clannish & aggressive about it. This is my view, may not necessarily be the correct one. As for upbringing, call me naive, but I refuse to accept that any Somali parent would knowingly and intentionally instill clan hate in their child. Not to dispel it, but that would be a cruel thing to do to an innocent child. Education could be a cure, but humanistic & liberal education would be the only viable solution. Instilling in people very elementary beliefs and tolerance for others. Bringing them to civilization. Trust me sxb, I've seen my share of "educated" qabiilists. Education back home & in much of the developed world is so different from here. Its mostly tailored towards career & focuses less on educating the individual as an individual. We need to rethink it someday.

[Voltage]

Man you're a heinous and ill-intended individual. Seek help.

My question was simply to better understand the situation on the ground back home. Nothing else.

Fiqi Tolki kama janno tago sxb and that is what you are now understanding by virtue of others picking up subconscious bias.

Do continue on though.

[Alphanumeric]

Avi,

I wholeheartedly agree.

Man you're a heinous and ill-intended individual. Seek help.

My question was simply to better understand the situation on the ground back home. Nothing else.

Fiqi Tolki kama janno tago sxb and that is what you are now understanding by virtue of others picking up subconscious bias.

Do continue on though.

If you have something to say, say it plainly. You have a tendency to use skimpy words with variable interpretation.

If you want to know my opinion on a matter, ask me. Don't be a d!ck and assume. But you love to throw hate around, from what I've seen, and antagonize threads and ruin whatever civility therein.

[Voltage]

You shouldn't be mad at me bro; you still carry residue. By virtue of having subconscious bias, it shows you are not free from the cloak of tribalism even if you may have convinced yourself consciously. That's what you should be mad at; the fact you still have some distance to go to actually espouse the purity you wish to espouse.

[accident]

Voltage, you're weird bro. You want everyone to be like you.

[Daff]

[quote="Voltage"]Relax Alpha, I'm not here to post the second someone respond to me. Basically by logic of deduction, I am confident you are what you are. This topic is about property and not just property but an attempt to delegitimize the most visible injustice Somalis had ever seen and which took place in Mogadishu in 1991.

WOW! you have mastered the art of hypocrisy.. you must blind to all the other injustices that took place in our history. Back to the topic all properties should be returned to the rightful owners, it doesn't matter whether their property were ceased pre/or post civil war..kabiish

Alpha

many more will try to find out about your tribe, continue to take the high road and ignore the ones attempting to fish for info sheekada waxey mareysaa afkaada fur ilakahada aan tiriyee I hope your somali is good enough.

[Alphanumeric]

Daf,

"Open your mouth and let me count your teeth"? Man, I don't know what's wrong with this guy. He's not even saying anything of substance, but accusing me of some phantom crime. If he were to actually address me appropriately, wanting civil dialogue with clear and acceptable substance, I'd be willing. But this dude's on something else, hellbent on creating an atmosphere of animosity. Why? I have no clue.

[accident]

Claim everything man.

So far my claims;

Abgaal
Habar Gider
Shiiqaal
Murursade
Mareexaan
Majeerteen
Garre
Dhulbahante
Shanshiiye
French
Murule
Isaaq
Leelkase
Ogaden.

I will claim some more soon.

[Alphanumeric]

I'm not even sure what he's on about. Apparently it's in my subconscious?

[accident]

I think he means that you are a tribalist, looting, hawiye monster... subconsciously.

[Alphanumeric]

Why didn't he just say so?

[accident]

He likes Circular reasoning.

[Daff]

Not bad Alpha, tbh i read ur post and don't think you took one side of the argument over the other...but then again some ppl try to over analyse things and come to the wrong conclusion. in this case 'hadal nin si u yiri, nina si u qaaday'