“I’m not black,” they would say, “I’m Somali

[gegiroor]

another battle among many being fought by somalis....among yourselves and nobody else.....you guys seem to have conflict wired into your dna.

You're actually a weirdo with an obsessive focus on Somali people, and you've already admitted that you've never even met a Somali in real-life. Get some help. You really need it.

Leave us alone. We are not your father.

[iandi]

another battle among many being fought by somalis....among yourselves and nobody else.....you guys seem to have conflict wired into your dna.

You're actually a weirdo with an obsessive focus on Somali people, and you've already admitted that you've never even met a Somali in real-life. Get some help. You really need it.

Leave us alone. We are not your father.

Actually its human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck....even as you turn up your nose or shut one eye.

Thanks for making it clear that you are not my father. That's just weird.

[Sophisticate]

another battle among many being fought by somalis....among yourselves and nobody else.....you guys seem to have conflict wired into your dna.

You're actually a weirdo with an obsessive focus on Somali people, and you've already admitted that you've never even met a Somali in real-life. Get some help. You really need it.

Leave us alone. We are not your father.

Actually its human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck....even as you turn up your nose or shut one eye.

Thanks for making it clear that you are not my father. That's just weird.

Your quips always make us laugh. So, tell us why are you polarized to these forces? I mean most people would just drive on by when they see chaos, but like a rabble-rouser you're drawn to the eye of the storm. It does our heart good to know you're becoming more Somali every day (in a superfluous sense).

[Ismail87]

Do you know Horn of Africa is part of the North Eastern Africa region? In my Geography class in Somalia, that is exactly what I had learned. Fyi, MENA stands for Middle East and North Africa.

The lobby of Arab Americans here is to identify who they are without being lumped to any group. My preference is a lobby that identifies me as a Somali in the US census; however, if that is not gonna happen, I will check the MENA check box when it becomes official.

Stop the wordplay saxiib. A huge part of Somalia shares the same latitude as Central African Republic, Congo, Gabon, Cameroon and Uganda.

You could argue that Sudan is part of the MENA, but Somalia is NOT.

[Itrah]

Stop the wordplay saxiib. A huge part of Somalia shares the same latitude as Central African Republic, Congo, Gabon, Cameroon and Uganda.

You could argue that Sudan is part of the MENA, but Somalia is NOT.

Those places are tropical....

Somalia on the other hand is in the Sahel zone. Even South Somalia is as well.

[SomaliWarSavage]

another battle among many being fought by somalis....among yourselves and nobody else.....you guys seem to have conflict wired into your dna.

You're actually a weirdo with an obsessive focus on Somali people, and you've already admitted that you've never even met a Somali in real-life. Get some help. You really need it.

Leave us alone. We are not your father.

Actually its human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck....even as you turn up your nose or shut one eye.

Thanks for making it clear that you are not my father. That's just weird.

you obviously love us and fascinated about us, but unfortunately you will never be somali.

[Ismail87]

Those places are tropical....

Somalia on the other hand is in the Sahel zone. Even South Somalia is as well.

The Sahel region

[Itrah]

The Sahel region

Somalia is semi-arid. It has the same climate as those regions.

While Uganda and what have you are completely tropical.

[iandi]

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Actually its human nature to stop and stare at a car wreck....even as you turn up your nose or shut one eye.

Thanks for making it clear that you are not my father. That's just weird.

Your quips always make us laugh. So, tell us why are you polarized to these forces? I mean most people would just drive on by when they see chaos, but like a rabble-rouser you're drawn to the eye of the storm. It does our heart good to know you're becoming more Somali every day (in a superfluous sense).

So its a win/win situation for all: you laugh at my quips and i chuckle at the strange world that this place is...a strange world that demonstrates the human capacity to pretend that reality is fantasy and fantasy is reality. Really deep psychological machinations can be found in this forum. Its a very very rare place...even for the internet...and really a gold mine for those who study the human mind.

[Ismail87]

Somalia is semi-arid. It has the same climate as those regions.

While Uganda and what have you are completely tropical.

The discussion is about latitude, not climate.

[Bilis]

The original Cushites were a Caucasoid people related to the Ancient Egyptians. Their exact ancestral genetic component is uncertain since their bones have not yet been subjected to ancient DNA analysis. The best inferred estimate available at the moment suggests that Somalis trace nearly 70% of their ancestry to them (probably in reality a lot more), as do the Afar and most other northern Afro-Asiatic speaking groups in the Horn (the right-most column):



http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fet ... tation=PDF

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fet ... 04393.s017

Also, it was just discovered earlier this month that Egyptian Copts carry this same ancestral component, but without either the Arabian or Nilotic admixture that is present in the Horn. So if you want to know what the first Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Horn actually looked like, look no further than either the most cad present-day Horners or the average Copt:

Copts show a common ancestry with North African and Middle Eastern populations (dark blue), whereas the South-West cluster (Darfurians, Nuba and Nilotes) share an ancestry component (light blue) with sub–Saharan samples. The North-East cluster (Beja, Ethiopians, Arabs and Nubians) shows both components, although the main component (~70%) is that detected in North Africa and Middle East[...] The North African/Middle Eastern genetic component is identified especially in Copts[...] Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population. It may suggest that Copts have a genetic composition that could resemble the ancestral Egyptian population, without the present strong Arab influence.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150528/ ... 09996.html

This means that in antiquity as now, there was a large stretch of related Hamitic populations that inhabited Northeast Africa, from Egypt through to the Horn. The Puntites, who were ancestral to Afro-Asiatic-speaking Horners, were one of those early populations, as were the Ancient Egyptians (and likely also the Meroites).

[gegiroor]

Somalia is semi-arid. It has the same climate as those regions.

While Uganda and what have you are completely tropical.

The discussion is about latitude, not climate.

What does latitude and longitude have to do with Somalia being part of the MENA region. it is about cultural and who we identify ourselves with. Since the MENA region is overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim and Afro-Asiatic as well, I do identify myself with them more than anyone else. I prefer the Somali designation in the US census, but if there is no lobby for it, the MENA region should be our next designation since we are part of North East Africa.

I don't know about you, but for me, my work has been done for me. MENA designation is what I will choose, and will stay away from checking any thing else when that designation is added.

There is a reason why we have this hadith:

Imam Ahmed reported in his Musnad (5/35) that the Messenger (saw) said:
“If the people of as-Sham (Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria) went astray then there would be no goodness amongst you, but however there will continue to be a group supported from my ummah, and they will not be bothered by those who disapproved until the day of Judgement”.

MENA region - Overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim and Afro-Asiatic Way to go!

[Basra-]

Imam Ahmed reported in his Musnad (5/35) that the Messenger (saw) said:
“If the people of as-Sham (Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria) went astray then there would be no goodness amongst you, but however there will continue to be a group supported from my ummah, and they will not be bothered by those who disapproved until the day of Judgement”.

Gegi

Too late. They already went astray. Palestine is weak, and a slave for Israel. Lebanon is, I guess insignificant, never in the news. Jordan King is Gaalo, and his wife even more Gaalo. Syria is in shambles. What other astray r we waiting for?

[Bilis]

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[Bilis]

The original Cushites were a Caucasoid people related to the Ancient Egyptians. Their exact ancestral genetic component is uncertain since their bones have not yet been subjected to ancient DNA analysis. The best inferred estimate available at the moment suggests that Somalis trace nearly 70% of their ancestry to them (probably in reality a lot more), as do the Afar and most other northern Afro-Asiatic speaking groups in the Horn (the right-most column):



http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fet ... tation=PDF

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fet ... 04393.s017

Also, it was just discovered earlier this month that Egyptian Copts carry this same ancestral component, but without either the Arabian or Nilotic admixture that is present in the Horn. This newly found ancestral component is alternately known as the Ethio-Somali or Coptic component since it's mainly found among Somali, Ethiopian, Eritrean and Coptic Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in Northeast Africa. However, Eastern Hamitic would perhaps be a better name for it since it defines the Eastern Hamitic populations.

So if you want to know what the first Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Horn actually looked like, look no further than either the most Caucasoid present-day Horners or the average Copt:

[quote]Copts show a common ancestry with North African and Middle Eastern populations (dark blue), whereas the South-West cluster (Darfurians, Nuba and Nilotes) share an ancestry component (light blue) with sub–Saharan samples. The North-East cluster (Beja, Ethiopians, Arabs and Nubians) shows both components, although the main component (~70%) is that detected in North Africa and Middle East[...] The North African/Middle Eastern genetic component is identified especially in Copts[...] Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population. It may suggest that Copts have a genetic composition that could resemble the ancestral Egyptian population, without the present strong Arab influence.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150528/ ... 09996.html

This means that in antiquity as now, there was a large stretch of related Hamitic populations that inhabited Northeast Africa, from Egypt through to the Horn. The Puntites, who were ancestral to Afro-Asiatic-speaking Horners, were one of those early populations, as were the Ancient Egyptians and likely also the Meroites.