why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

[MrPrestige]

Bareento can you reveal the secret's behind the Oromo number's i heard you guys marry over 10 wifes breaking the laws of islam ,just like that oromo guy who was on the bbc with over 82 kids and over atleast 10 wifes.

I think its ASSIMILATION!!!
In fact we r good muslims!
When Somali conquer any people they used to sell them as slaves, whereas, we Oromos used to assimilate them.
Our ancient religion forbid slavery!!! MASHAA ALLAH

PEACE

B

war sxb it's the somalis who converted you to islam be grateful , otherwise today you would be the same as those raw eating amahara's , we also did assimilate some oromo's who lived among the somalis when defeated they converted to islam & were absorbed to the somali race , we only sell zanzibari's and bantu's as slaves not much about oromo though.

[bareento]

ducaysane,

In the past, losing lands was not question of life or death for Oromos....we were nomads, and we had enough lands!
But now, in ethiopia the demographic pressure is so high that the only arable lands left out r yours kkkk
If only u knew the situation in our highlands!!!
In harerge, 6 MILLION oromos live on a territory smaller than 5 PERCENT of OGADENIA, and u guys dream conquering these lands kkkk
And Ogadenia is only 6 million!!!
If u take northern Oromo/Amhara highlands situation is much more dramatic!

the question is not about courage, nationalism, religion or any other artificial ideologies, it will be about survival!!!

Think over it before claiming this or that land...

Peace

B

war sxb when it comes to Survival i have no doubt that the somali Nomad Warrior's - Geeljiire's will out survive the oromo farmer's just like centuries ago we made the amahara's hide in the highlands and eat raw meat in fear of somali's marka learn from them to not mess with somalis.

Duceysane,

thats where u miss my point, it will a question of survival for us, but not for u because u have enough land
Your lands r not overpopulated.

peace

B

[MrPrestige]

ducaysane,

In the past, losing lands was not question of life or death for Oromos....we were nomads, and we had enough lands!
But now, in ethiopia the demographic pressure is so high that the only arable lands left out r yours kkkk
If only u knew the situation in our highlands!!!
In harerge, 6 MILLION oromos live on a territory smaller than 5 PERCENT of OGADENIA, and u guys dream conquering these lands kkkk
And Ogadenia is only 6 million!!!
If u take northern Oromo/Amhara highlands situation is much more dramatic!

the question is not about courage, nationalism, religion or any other artificial ideologies, it will be about survival!!!

Think over it before claiming this or that land...

Peace

B

war sxb when it comes to Survival i have no doubt that the somali Nomad Warrior's - Geeljiire's will out survive the oromo farmer's just like centuries ago we made the amahara's hide in the highlands and eat raw meat in fear of somali's marka learn from them to not mess with somalis.

Duceysane,

thats where u miss my point, it will a question of survival for us, but not for u because u have enough land
Your lands r not overpopulated.

peace

B

to want to take another land is not just because it's over populated for us Somali Nomad's because historically somali nomads move to land when they need new better grazing land's i hope you get the point, the Nomads need your greenery ( perfert for grazing cattle's , Cows , etc south ethiopia land's instead of the ogaden desert's.

[Voltage]

Duceysane,

thats where u miss my point, it will a question of survival for us, but not for u because u have enough land
Your lands r not overpopulated.

peace

B

You are right. I think Muslim Oromos should be given free entrance to Somalia although in a controlled fashion. Our country cannot grow exponentially because we are too small and the land is way too big. Plus we need a little bit of diversity which is always a good thing.

[SomaliAmir]

quote]sxb i though the southern somali Galbeedian's could defend the territories of south somali galbeed , specially the Degodia & Sheikhaal do clash with Borane - Oromo alot , this oromo's need to be teached a lesson to not try and invade somali lands , otherwise their land will be taken just like Galckayo - land of the Gallas former oromo were owned by the oromo , they shouldn't underestimate the power of somalis it would be a good thing if somalis pushed further into oromoialand and taking all those greenery blessed area's designed of architectural and farming's of south ethiopia.[/quote]

they are usually very successful at protecting their territories for example the Garri were completely displace from Moyale distict in the early 1980s but return truimphantly in the 90s. however, while oromo groups are hostile to each other they will support the common interest of the oromo people as a whole, somalis don't often think beyond how they can secure influence for their kinsmen. for example the Sheikhaal clan had a falling out with the Ogaden clan over control of some district that they both live in. after the initial armed conflict, the Sheikhaal were drive north toward Raaso, a refugee camp that now accommodates 150 thousand inhabitants. the oromo now threaten the Sheikhaal with impunity since they know that no one will come to their aid expecailly the Ogaden previous rivals of the Shiekhaal and current leaders of the the Somali regions government.

Several reasons have been suggested to explain the peculiar allegation relating to the lack of Digodia interest in seeking to incorporate all the traditional territories of the different Somali clans into Liban/Filtu district. First, is the advantage accruing from the development of their small village as the capital of the zone. Second, is to expand the frontiers of its sphere of influence by forming Filtu district whose frontiers coincide with that of the Digodia territory outside Doollo District. Excluding other clans from the district is said to be a conscession to the Borana clan which has interest in the disputed areas of Liban zone inhabited by other clans — the Digodia is the only Somali clan which has a treaty of alliance and economic cooperation with the Borana, the arch rival of other Somali clans in the zone.

the Degodia are completely a different matter, they attitude is one of indifference to out right betrayal of somalinimo, just because they don't have a majority in the province they would jeopardize Somali autonomy and soverign to get their little tuulo named as the region capital. at the same time that they are consolidating the territory of the Degodia they are effectively selling out all other Somali territory in Libaan.

walaal the fortune of the Somalis in the Galbeed had often gone hand in hand with the support the ethiopian government was willing to give to them. for example, when Somalia lose the 77-78 war, more than 800,000 people fled to Somalia. the Borana/oromo were armed because they were considered loyal as opposed to the Somali. in the 1990s the ethiopian government armed especailly the Garri because the OLF -OROMO LIBERATION FRONT was stronger and able to unnerve Meles new TFG. then at the begin of the 21th century the Olf has effectively collopsed and Meles need to keep the oromo happy so his willing to parsal off somali territory to gain their support and keep the amhara from power. it isn't just the Southwest, the oromo claim all the land from Gode north as part of historic bale. they claim Fik, Mieso districk Shinile, Gursum district Jigjiga, the historic Somali city of Dirdawba due to demographics they are 60% of the population and thus they want to encircle this ancient Somali city just like they did the Great city of Harar. they even claim Jigjiga. the fact that Meles hasn't capitulated to their demand is thankfully they are split amoung themselves.

walaal waa ruun Oromiha waay kibrana, they should be taught a lesson, mess with the Somali at your own peril.

[SomaliAmir]

Hi,

Wat will u do with fourty (40) million Oromos, once u take their land?
Kill them all? u cant
Sell them? Slave market no longer exist!

why kill them, do we look like Amhara to you we are not in the market for Gabbars, we don't need slaves, you will be assimiliate, just had the nole, Jarso, the Gabra, Akishu and soon enough the Raytu.

[/quote]
U mill be OROMONIZED!!!! kkkkkkkkk
DEMOGRAPHY baby, DEMOGRAHY thats the key word
To the westward push of Somalis will respond the future east ward push of Oromos! not for petty nationalist cause, no! Not to take back lost land!
just for survival!
It will be the fight between land hungry industrious peasantry against the nomads who despise cultivating land! the outcome is obvious
Most Oromo regions r overpopulated (specially the afran qallo land in hararge) kkkkk u know which region is underpopulated

remember this word DEMOGRAPHY DEMOGRAPHY DEMOGRAPHY

PEACE[/quote]

man you must have failed math like you did english, the word is demographics. and their aren't 40 million oromo
ethiopia population is 80 million people, oromia is 32, the souther nationalities are about 16 million, the habashi are about 22 million, the somalis galbeed is about 7 million and everyone else is about 3 millions

32 million against 22 million crazy geeljires , I'll take those odds.

[hanqadh]

Nothing new here, recently Cisse land in shinile was auctioned off to the canfar.

Oromo vs Somali

Your landlocked, we are not, we can essentially starve you into submission by cutting you off from the outside world, If this Oromia state VS Somali proper.

No chance mate.

[Digdahab]

You are all fools in here except for our oromo brother, don't you see how the gaalo abbyssinians are playing us out against eachother.
two brothers, the oromo might be more numeorous then us, but we somalis are the big brother and should lead in every aspect.
If you add Oromo and Somaliweyn together with Canfar, plus other minor cushittic peoples .

We are talking about a potential powerhouse of 70 million people ...... a black muslim empire.
It's like becoming the Persia or Turkey of East Africa .

Instead you focus on petty issues..... think about the greater picture.
We are really twins and should become official allys.

All land issues can easily be solved between Oromo and Somalis .
Oromo is territorially, militarily ,economically , technogically , our LITTLE brother.
Help him out.

[bareento]

Hi SomaliAmir,
Funny that u take Jaarso as exemple; these guys started speaking Somali but now they r part of Oromia (remember the FUNYAN BIIRA(Gursum) episode)
As for Nolee, never Somalized; The Akichu is trying to do the samething like the Jarso; them and some obscure Somali/Oromo tribes r yelling to join the Oromia, although they do not speak Oromiffa! If they succeed JIGJIGA will be surrounded by Oromia!
I think u have to seriously check your assimilating mecanism
GABRAS r proto somali people never admitted in OROMO they had TIRRISO status (equivalent to your SHEEGGATTO )

The Wagnerian vision of 14 (or 22) MILLION Somalis geeljire attacking the 40 (32) million Oromo peasants is laughable; its 19TH century romantic nationalism

In my opinion, the same reasons pushing Somalis westward in Southern Oromia is pushing Eastward the Oromos in North East Oromia;
In the South a combination of factors like Population growth and steady climate change pushes the Nomads (Oromos and Somalis but mainly Somalis) westward;
In the Northeast Oromia, 6 million Oromos r living in a very confined space; only the eldest son can stay on the fathers farm the others should leave...

The North East Oromos start looking at arable good Somal land as Solution: they already starte settling there individually!
We r indistrious people, we can turn the desert into an oasis; anyway u guys r aristocratic Nomads, why dont u let us work your land?
Do u prefer the Mangistu's plan and having 1 MILLION AMHAR in OGADENIA?

As for boundaries between Ogadenia and Oromia, I do not care less; as long u autorize us working on your fertile lands
Any way, I think its fair if we settle for the "boundaries" as they were in early sixties (1960s)

One more thing MR SomaliAmir, thank u for your correction , its indeed demographics not demography....my English language is so poor, thank u

Peace

Bareento

[SomaliAmir]

You are all fools in here except for our oromo brother, don't you see how the gaalo abbyssinians are playing us out against eachother.
two brothers, the oromo might be more numeorous then us, but we somalis are the big brother and should lead in every aspect.
If you add Oromo and Somaliweyn together with Canfar, plus other minor cushittic peoples .

We are talking about a potential powerhouse of 70 million people ...... a black muslim empire.
It's like becoming the Persia or Turkey of East Africa .

Instead you focus on petty issues..... think about the greater picture.
We are really twins and should become official allys.

All land issues can easily be solved between Oromo and Somalis .
Oromo is territorially, militarily ,economically , technogically , our LITTLE brother.
Help him out.

black muslim empire
I used to be idealistic like you, until i did a little researched about the oromo, first of all half the oromo are christian and they are deeply antagonistics toward islam, the Borana which live to the south had been in dispute with Somalis for the last hundred year. so about 55% of oromo are already your adversaries. that leaves the muslim oromo do you think that they will take the side of somalis over their own blood. don't kidd youself, Berento said it himself out of of necessity the oromo now look eastward toward you pasture lands because their highland are over crowded, a situation which will only get worst in 30 years when ethiopia population will become 120 million.

oromo our little brother, that not how some oromo see it, some see us having taken land that is by right and birth a part if thir home land (biyya oromo() and Somalis as brainwashed, arab wannabes who are oromo who lose their culture and language. the oromo see somalis as the miss guide little brother.

[AbdiWahab252]

In the greater scheme of things, neither the Somali or Oromos need to figure a way of removing the oppressive Tigrey, Amhara and the Semitic overclass in Addis.


Bareento,


Your assessment is correct. The Oromo are pouring into the Somali region and beyond especially Somaliland and Puntland. You guys are playing a demographic war while the ignorant Somalis especially of those two regions welcome you with open arms under "Muslimnimo" etc.

Yet those same ignorant Somalis there are upset at allowing other Somalis to live in their region.

Anywayz, no harm in the greater scheme of things, we pushed you out and you are BIRTHING us out.

For my part, I will produce 20 kids from my 6 wives to catch up

[bareento]

You are all fools in here except for our oromo brother, don't you see how the gaalo abbyssinians are playing us out against eachother.
two brothers, the oromo might be more numeorous then us, but we somalis are the big brother and should lead in every aspect.
If you add Oromo and Somaliweyn together with Canfar, plus other minor cushittic peoples .

We are talking about a potential powerhouse of 70 million people ...... a black muslim empire.
It's like becoming the Persia or Turkey of East Africa .

Instead you focus on petty issues..... think about the greater picture.
We are really twins and should become official allys.

All land issues can easily be solved between Oromo and Somalis .
Oromo is territorially, militarily ,economically , technogically , our LITTLE brother.
Help him out.

black muslim empire
I used to be idealistic like you, until i did a little researched about the oromo, first of all half the oromo are christian and they are deeply antagonistics toward islam, the Borana which live to the south had been in dispute with Somalis for the last hundred year. so about 55% of oromo are already your adversaries. that leaves the muslim oromo do you think that they will take the side of somalis over their own blood. don't kidd youself, Berento said it himself out of of necessity the oromo now look eastward toward you pasture lands because their highland are over crowded, a situation which will only get worst in 30 years when ethiopia population will become 120 million.

oromo our little brother, that not how some oromo see it, some see us having taken land that is by right and birth a part if thir home land (biyya oromo() and Somalis as brainwashed, arab wannabes who are oromo who lose their culture and language. the oromo see somalis as the miss guide little brother.

SomaliAmir, Truth to be said, only Borana r, for obvious reasons, antagonistic toward Somalis.
The christian Oromos have this mystics of Cushitic people and they r, believe me or not very admiratif of Somalis!
As for the Afran qallo Oromos let me tell u, plz do not laugh....until the age of 10 I used to think Somali and Oromo was the same people kkkkk

My Good Friend SomaliAmir, do not believe wat u read at Oromoindex Forum
I suspect u r the same caracter who used to intervene there ; those guys r ancient Derg (Mangistu) Cadres, and Gadaa Fundamentalists

But I have to add, that lately some Somali attitudes has damaged some sympathy we had for Somalis (I remember a Somali MP claiming Goba, Asella, Madda Walaabu on television)

Oromo nationalism, is in its infancy, majority Oromos have huge sympathy for Somalis, mayhaps its time u stop thinking every Oromoland is to be conquered.
And then we can have clear understanding and whynot cooperation

Peace

Bareento

[James Dahl]

These three districts were transferred to the Oromia Regional State a few years ago.

[sadeboi]

The Reer-Hasan (Marexaan) and the Oromo were fighting in Libaan region in Nagelle as far as lat year, so the Somalis still have a foothold there Somaliamir.

[bareento]

In the greater scheme of things, neither the Somali or Oromos need to figure a way of removing the oppressive Tigrey, Amhara and the Semitic overclass in Addis.


Bareento,


Your assessment is correct. The Oromo are pouring into the Somali region and beyond especially Somaliland and Puntland. You guys are playing a demographic war while the ignorant Somalis especially of those two regions welcome you with open arms under "Muslimnimo" etc.

Yet those same ignorant Somalis there are upset at allowing other Somalis to live in their region.

Anywayz, no harm in the greater scheme of things, we pushed you out and you are BIRTHING us out.

For my part, I will produce 20 kids from my 6 wives to catch up

Hello Abdiwahab,

When I was talking the Eastward push of Oromos, i was thinking of some districts adjacent to Oromia, like Fiq, Baabbile!
We Oromos r not expansionsinite; we have neither the intention nor the capacity to overrun any Somali states!

As for the hospitality of our Somali bretheren, I have nthg to add except to bow down
When being Oromo is/was a crime the only place where we found refuge was with u
thats something we r ETERNALLY GRATEFUL to YOU

Believe me, we Oromos we have a lot of shortcomings, but ungratefulness is not one of it

Hmmm, six wifes and having twenty kids, thats not the Solution, the solution is ASSIMILATION!!
We just assimilated two people and two r on the way U cant catch up

Peace

Bareento