2 Farah Dentists From MN

[Dhaga Bacayl]

[quote="Grant"]It is my understanding that bright orange and red in the teeth is from chewing Qat.

.[/quote]

Your understanding is wrong. Do little more research. Since you're into Somali culture you should know better. Listent to our music and read some of our poetry. I'm sure your "understanding" will change.

Hint: kids don't chew khat and they do have red teath as early as 6 yrs of age.

[Grant]

Dhaga Baycayl,

That information came from this board. Did you notice Advocator's post, above?

Information on Somali dental conditions is not readily available in the West. I will be happy for any thing you can tell me.

I do listen to Somali music. The poetry is still beyond my language skills,
but I am making progress. I did understand most of the words to Hooyo Macaaan.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

You can google it your self. You don't need me or anyone else in this medium to tell you anything. People will mislead you for the wrong reasons.


Every song talks about a girl with a red teeth and how sexy they're. Personally I don't find it attractive but historically in Somali culture red teeth was regarded highly in women. It's called DABAR CAS.

BTW, the dude above made a statement and you agreed like you already know or heard about what he's talking about. I din't see you asking questions for clarity.

[michael_ital]

[quote="Dhaga Bacayl"]


The article said they're about to start not graduated.

Do you know how many Somalis who are about to "start" medical school? There is a deference between finishing and about to start.

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[Grant]

Dhaga Bacayl,

I did. You will notice that the only red color they list is caused by the genetic disorder called porphyria. The pictures I have seen of Somalis with red teeth show a brighter red than the red-brown described. If you have additional information, photos or searchable topics, I would love to see them. This is a new topic to me and Khat seemed like a reasonable explanation. Chewing betel nut produces a brown, but similar effect.


http://dentalresource.org/topic53stainedteeth.html

Factors known to cause intrinsic discoloration include:
metabolic disorders, systemic syndromes, dentin defects, tetracycline stains, fluorosis, trauma, and enamel hypoplasia.

The following list eumerates various causes of dental stains:
Alkaptonuria causes a brown discoloration of the teeth.
Congenital erythropoietic porphyria causes a red-brown discoloration.
Congenital hyperbilirubinemia will cause a yellow-green discoloration due to elevated levels of biliverdin in the blood.
Systemic syndromes often cause enamel hypoplasia (inadequate development) and pitting of the enamel.
In Dentinogenesis imperfecta II, both the primary and permanent teeth are affected. They are opalescent when trans-illuminated, and have a brown or bluish color.
In Dentinogenesis imperfecta I, associated with osteogenesis imperfecta IB, the teeth are also opalescent, but the esthetic problem may not be as severe as in Dentinogenesis imperfecta I.
In Dentinogenesis imperfecta III, the teeth are also opalescent.
In dentinal dysplasia type I, the primary and secondary teeth may have an amber translucency.
In dentinal dysplasia type II, a brown discoloration is sometimes observed.
With tetracycline staining, the dentin and enamel are stained a brown-gray color. The most critical time to avoid taking tetracyclines is from 4 months in-utero until 7 years of age.
In fluorosis, the resulting dental discoloration ranges from chalky white to a brown-black appearance. Fluorosis is caused by excessive fluoride intake.
Trauma may cause tooth discoloration. The cause of this is capillary breakage inside of the tooth, which allows hemosiderin to enter to dentinal tubules.
In traumatized primary teeth, the color may become very dark due to the accumulation of hemoglobin products. Primary teeth with a gray-black color often need endodontic treatement.
In cases of enamel hypoplasia, the development of the tooth germ was disturbed by trauma, infection, or systemic disturbance.
Amelogenesis imperfecta (with 14 subtypes) will cause discolorations which vary from “snow-capped” enamel to yellow-brown enamel.

[michael_ital]

I was always under the impression it was due to betel nut. But who's actually gonna ask someone "Why's your teeth that colour??"

[Grant]

I should perhaps add here that I traveled fairly extensively, Woqooyi iyo Konfur, during 1966 and 67. I did not get any further north or west than Hargeysa, and I can't say that I looked in every mouth on the road, but I never saw a red tooth. Most people had nice, straight, white teeth. Rhumeys (sp?) were a common public sight. Even the very old had full mouths of lovely teeth.

I only ever saw qat/qaad/khaat for sale on one occassion. In Hargeysa. Period, end of story. I never saw anyone chew or ever heard of it for sale in the South.

I have been shocked by the teeth in some of the pictures I have seen through links posted here. They don't fit my memories at all.

[COSTA]

Grant do you know a rich man who used to live in Jilib his name is Cabdi Khaliif

i dont know if he was rich in 1960 but in the ninties he was one of the richest in Jilib

[COSTA]

He used to be manager of Faanoole Rice Project

[Grant]

Costa,

There were no rich people in Jilib when I was there.

One family had a truck and a bus and some land and were trying to get in a gas-powered pump/water well as I was leaving. I don't think I ever knew their name.

Most of the people I worked with or knew directly were government officials, their children and friends.

I did not know Cabdi Khaliif.

The director of the agricultural research station when I was there was my landlord, Siid Cali. He was doing some research with rice with some indian doctor. It was strictly experimental. The individual plots were only two or three meters on a side.

The rice project must have come after my time.

[COSTA]

After you left there came Chinese and they started
a huge Dam project which was called Fanoole
Dam project

There wa too a sugar factory in near Jilib


Do you used to go places like Gobweyn where juba river joins the indian ocean

Kamsuma , Bu aale , Jamaame ,and all that green areas

I wasnt born at the time you was there but who
used to run the banana farms was it Italian company
(Somalita) or just Somali bussiness men


These are the projects that was impllemented after 1960


(1) Juba Sugar Project (JSP), often known as Marerey, near Jilib.
(2) Mugambo Rice Irrigation Project, Jamame, using run-of-the-river via canal.
(3) Fanole Dam Project, multipurpose dam development, located near Jilib.
(4) Arare Banana Irrigation Project, around Jamame.
(5) Bardere Dam Project (BDP), the largest ever planned but unimplemented project.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

[quote="COSTA"]Grant do you know a rich man who used to live in Jilib his name is Cabdi Khaliif

i dont know if he was rich in 1960 but in the ninties he was one of the richest in Jilib[/quote]

Are you f.ucking nutz? How rich can you be living in a villege like jilib?

[Grant]

Costa,

I got to Jamaame and a lot of smaller villages but I am not sure of the names. Is there one called Jinnoleh?

It was a major effort for me just to get to Kismayo every other week to bank and do shopping. I never did get to Gobweyn.

The area around Jilib was not at all developed when I was there. Most of the farming was done with a yambo.

The banana farms were all closer to Kismayo and nearly all were already in Somali hands when I was there. There was a remnant Italian store on the highway to Jilib, and that was about it. I met an Italian Doctor in Jilib who was doing research at the leprosarium across the river, and I once saw an Italian nun riding a bicycle west from there. Finito.

Thank you for the information on the development. I knew there was a lot of potential there.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

[quote="michael_ital"]I was always under the impression it was due to betel nut. But who's actually gonna ask someone "Why's your teeth that colour??" [/quote]

Mike,

Red teeth are the results of drinking mineral water. People from the eastern part of Somaliland were known for it but things are changing and people from the western side of the country are also developing red teeth these days.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

[quote="Grant"]The banana farms were all closer to Kismayo and nearly all were already in Somali hands when I was there. .[/quote]

Things changed after 1969...siyad barre handed everything to the Italians.