Somalia's woes:Hope is four-legged & woolly -- The Economist

[Saraxnow]

I dont think geeljires looked down on traders They looked down on Farmers and fishermen though.

There is nothing wrong with trading in livestock or fish or even farming, Somalis need to diversify their economy as much as possible.

[Jaidi]

You geel jires practice occupational racism towards practically every single occupation that isn't camel herding.

To recap:
-Fishermen
-Farmers
-Blacksmiths
-Leatherworkers
-Cattle herders
- Hunters

[UlteriorMotive]

lol @ jaidi.

Interesting article, though he/she downplays the strength of xamar commercially. Big business happens down there despite 20+ years of non-stop warfare and anarchy.

However, I do agree with the premise of the article that business and private investment is what will save Somalia. No U.N handouts.

The only thing killing us right now is the lack of stability. All over somalia we fight over the crumbs available instead of realising that an abundance of land & resources means we probably wouldn't need to fight if we came to a compromise.

[Saraxnow]

Blacksmiths, leather workers, hunters and barbers were looked down on by even Farmers, and treated as outcasts .i.e the midgaans.

[Jaidi]

Blacksmiths, leather workers, hunters and barbers were looked down on by even Farmers, and treated as outcasts .i.e the midgaans.

I am a proud blacksmith

[Goljano Lion]

This is not the first time the economist have published economicly innacurate articles. Lets hope there is more extensive journalism in future articles on Somalia by the economist.

to be honest with you, you are one retarded dumb imbecile what do you want him to write about , do you want him to glorify days long gone.but then, guys like you believe their own lies because if they don’t they would have to stop and look at themselves and probably go through the emotional pain of realizing that Somaliland and Puntland exist. i know your reasons for saying this the " economist have published economically inaccurate articles" you are like some of the kids who believe there’s a monster in the closet and won’t be convinced of reality even when you show them that the closet is empty. , Coues facts do matter and the article is accurate, remember your perception is not reality,

[original dervish]

^^^ Your clearly chatting outta ya backside!
The Economist, as well as most of the other "western corporate media", regularly publish fabrications, distortions and outright propaganda.
They work hand in glove with the security/intelligence services to advance their Imperial agendas, Iraqi WMDs and Gadaffi slaughter being a case in point.

SL/PL are shitholes for the majority of their populations, no jobs, schooling, health etc.These tribal fiefdoms will never be able to develop any meaningful economy that can meet the needs of their people.
The economist, like other nefarious western groups/individuals, want to see the formal recognition of these two entities, in order to exploit and pillage Rep Somalia resources.

Did`nt you ever hear the old African saying "beware of white men bearing gifts "

[accident]

^^^ Your clearly chatting outta ya backside!
The Economist, as well as most of the other "western corporate media", regularly publish fabrications, distortions and outright propaganda.
They work hand in glove with the security/intelligence services to advance their Imperial agendas, Iraqi WMDs and Gadaffi slaughter being a case in point.

SL/PL are shitholes for the majority of their populations, no jobs, schooling, health etc.These tribal fiefdoms will never be able to develop any meaningful economy that can meet the needs of their people.
The economist, like other nefarious western groups/individuals, want to see the formal recognition of these two entities, in order to exploit and pillage Rep Somalia resources.

Did`nt you ever hear the old African saying "beware of white men bearing gifts "

[Jaidi]

^^^ Your clearly chatting outta ya backside!
The Economist, as well as most of the other "western corporate media", regularly publish fabrications, distortions and outright propaganda.
They work hand in glove with the security/intelligence services to advance their Imperial agendas, Iraqi WMDs and Gadaffi slaughter being a case in point.

SL/PL are shitholes for the majority of their populations, no jobs, schooling, health etc.These tribal fiefdoms will never be able to develop any meaningful economy that can meet the needs of their people.
The economist, like other nefarious western groups/individuals, want to see the formal recognition of these two entities, in order to exploit and pillage Rep Somalia resources.

Did`nt you ever hear the old African saying "beware of white men bearing gifts "

I agree but to be honest Westerners could care less about Somalia and any of its regions today outside of security. As long as Somalis don't disrupt their shipping lanes and do not threaten the security of the region they could care less about the country. They have realized that these clan fiefdoms could pacify its people and delude them into being pleased, so their concerns can be addresed. You should hear how these Economist types describe Somalis, as prehistorical knuckledraggers who's problems and goals can only be addressed through clan lines. That is literally what they are writing in thinkthanks these days Unlike other people who appeal for territorial integrity and economic growth these Somalis modestly only appeal for clan enclaves

[original dervish]

^^^ I don`t think where too far apart in our thinking, however I disagree with your belief that the "west" isn`t interested in Somalia(save for security etc).
There is a new scramble for Africa going on, oil/gas being the main prize. Western policy in Africa is defined and directed by economic interests.

The west will only intervene politically in Somalia to meet an economic agenda. Whenever you see theses "policy" papers and news articles articulating a particular vision for Somalia, you can be sure there is another motive other than human rights, famine relief, democracy etc.

[Saraxnow]

^^^ Your clearly chatting outta ya backside!
The Economist, as well as most of the other "western corporate media", regularly publish fabrications, distortions and outright propaganda.
They work hand in glove with the security/intelligence services to advance their Imperial agendas, Iraqi WMDs and Gadaffi slaughter being a case in point.

SL/PL are shitholes for the majority of their populations, no jobs, schooling, health etc.These tribal fiefdoms will never be able to develop any meaningful economy that can meet the needs of their people.
The economist, like other nefarious western groups/individuals, want to see the formal recognition of these two entities, in order to exploit and pillage Rep Somalia resources.

Did`nt you ever hear the old African saying "beware of white men bearing gifts "

Let me correct you there. You are already biased being anti SL/PL but dont let that make you deny the fact that SL actually does provide free education for its population. Sure, it may not be great and it never boasted that nor are employment rates good. But it does function as a government and provides some services even if basic for its people, whether or not you like them as an entity.

[UlteriorMotive]

Orginal Dervish wallahi I agree with your post 100% sxb. It's so frustrating to watch as we get played by the west like retards. All those who scream for a clan enclave/maamul...what does that achieve really? Who doesn't have a clan? We would all have our little region and just be competing against each other for peanuts.

I understand the old fogeys advocating shit like that because they are largely uneducated and live on tribe. But what's the excuse for us younger ppl who are more worldly and have had a decent education?

We need a forum for our young rising nationalists.

[Oxidant]

But with north Somalia recovering somewhat, while the south is mired in famine, one conclusion is inescapable. The Somalia of the past is gone. The southern breadbasket has fallen too far behind. Even though it may slowly be freed from extremist control, Mogadishu will only ever be the capital in name. The country’s economic centre of gravity has shifted to the Arab-facing north. Bossaso has grown from 50,000 to 1m people since 1991. Hargeisa has expanded even faster. The best hope for the south is that some of the dynamism spreads.

This paragraph of this poorly written hardly researched article was the nail in the coffin for this author. Boasso is nowhere near 1 million people, while Hargesia just cracks the 1 million mark.

Mogadishu is and will always be the capital for all Somalis regardless of its situation. This city has the largest Somali population in the world and is an ancient timeless city. The economic strengthen of Xamar is much greater than Bossao and Hargesia combined. Xamar offers much more and is much more economically viable than sprawling villages in the North. Mogadishu infrastructure even through the war is superior to the two cities named in the article.

With the pacification of Xamar, watch the economic might of the City raises. Xamar’s GDP would be much higher than Bossao and eclipse Hargesia's.

There is no economic shift whatsoever,

[original dervish]

I think most knowledgeable Somalis (those not infected by clan-ism), accept the reality that sl pl and all the other "semi autonomous" regions, will never be economically viable.

A corrupt political class, an inefficient bureaucracy and a well connected business class has grown up around these two entities.They exist only to benefit themselves.

[Jaidi]

I think most knowledgeable Somalis (those not infected by clan-ism), accept the reality that sl pl and all the other "semi autonomous" regions, will never be economically viable.

A corrupt political class, an inefficient bureaucracy and a well connected business class has grown up around these two entities.They exist only to benefit themselves.

Of course. Its also only certain diaspora members who belong to the classes who are making $$$. The poor deluded rank and file who flag wave for their clan enclaves, have zero jobs and zero economic gains to speak of.