Why do Somali minorities love beesha Sade?

[Murax]

I think on one hand Siyaad Barre the induviduals role in uplifting minorities helped, but also the fact that He was the last real President of Somalia helped. I was watching a video of Mogadishu installing street lights the other day along with the security improvements. Almost every person interviewed was saying "Waxay i soo xasuusisay sidi maalmihi Siyaad Barre". In general His reign was viewed as the last time of stability and Somalis will always associate People>>Person. So if Siad Barre was is viewed as a just ruler when it comes to minorities by minorities then Marexaan will be viewed as being the same. If He was viewed as a arrogant, psycopath by them then Marexaan would be viewed the same.


In todays Somalia amongst Somalis people are judged according to certain people good or bad. This isn't faan or chest beating but in just being honest generally speaking amongst Somalis MSB is viewed as a Nationalist, and a strong leader so You'll see MR associated with Him by the Somali public even if they don't have those same characteristics. Even the ones who hate Him I see say stuff like "Wuxuu ahaabi waxaan dhan meesha socdo wuu ka ficnaa". Even if You look at Farmaajo, I do believe that some of the popularity He had may not have been something He done but that the fact that He shared clan with Siyaad Barre, and His regime was the last time thee was peace in Somalia people made that connection.

In todays Somalia people are associated according to certian people even though I think its wrong:

MR according to Siyaad Barre
MJ according to Abdullahi Yusuf
HG according to Caydiid
Ogadeen according to Sayyid Abdullahi Xassan
Abgal not sure who particular
Issaq not sure who inparticular

[Jaidi]

Avicenna's post is on the money. People from my clan and others associate MSB with a stable and peaceful time as far as their interests were concerned. Love is an overstatement but if they do have good opinions its because they liked that time period and associate the clan with the President. Personally its hard for me to have a poor opinion of MSB when relatives of mine enjoyed cabinet positions and representation that would be unheard of today.

[Avicenna]

We all have our biases and most of it stems from our upbringing & the environments we were reared in. Personally, it's very hard for me to regard MSB the individual or his government in a negative light, not because of being Daarood, but because I've long ago made a connection between that & a stable childhood in Somalia. No matter how much people badmouth him & the old government, just can't shake off all those memories of being a young boy in my own peaceful country, with law & order, going to school, traveling, the food, the friends, the vacations, the beaches, etc. I'm stuck in that time period and everything else is still surreal. Personal experiences usually tend to have bigger roles in our ideologies than clan affiliations. There's also the concept of romanticizing what is lost, regardless of what they were. We were at least something back then, we had sovereignty, national pride & dignity. It felt good to be Somali.

[guhad122]

Koronto,
Let me ask you; what does that association has to do with Marehan? 21 young Somali officers came together and chose a man who came from the smallest clan based the parliamentarian seat distribution at that time. In 1960s election, about 4 elections, Marehan got only 3 MPs; two from Dhuusa-Mareeb, 1 from Gedo mainly Luq area. The government was Somali government and the association with Marehan is ridiculous to say the least. When Marehan got involved, the government collapsed. In the hey days of Somali regime, there were more dominant Cawlyahan power than Marehan. I respect your views but it would actually be nice if you tell these delusional kids the truth. They may like your views better than mine, but at least I try my best to tell them the truth. If you don’t tell them the truth, you want them to embarrass the Darod name by talking like this in other Somali discussion forums. Government had nothing to do with Marehan and when Marehan tried to take the power and started employing the services of leaders like Mama Khadijo, we know what happened. My uncle who was a high-ranking official in the government once showed me a two page long OG positions in the Somali government. It was not that Siyad Barre preferred them over other Darods, it was the simple fact that over 60% of Somali military came from Ogaden clan.
These are few that I remember from that pure Ogaden domination of the government.
Minister of Defence; AUN Aadan Abdullahi Nuur Gabyow
Taliya Ciidanka Badda; Admiral Maxamed Cumar Cusmaan; Dhuudhi a Marehan was his deputy
Taliyaha Ciidanka Cirka General Siyad Daaduud Guudaal
Taliayaha Ciidanka Police ka AUN S/Gaas Aadan Kuukaay
Taliyaha 21 aad Gen. C/raxmaan Khaliif Dhicis
Taliya 60 General Muuse Xasan Sheek; nephew of Sayidka
Taliyaha labaad ee 26aad; Col Axmed Cumar Jees

Almost every single district police chief was also Ogaden mainly Reer Cabdille because of General Kuukay being the longest serving police commissioner.
Remember that this was a military goverment as the military and the armed forces in general ran the country.

[Voltage]

Wallahi I have tried to look at every way I could make Guhad's response relevant to the topic but it still alludes me. It sadly makes him look like a naag masayrsan.

In any case, if it makes you very happy the Kacaan government was an Ogaden government. Ok?

[Murax]

Koronto,
Let me ask you; what does that association has to do with Marehan? 21 young Somali officers came together and chose a man who came from the smallest clan based the parliamentarian seat distribution at that time. In 1960s election, about 4 elections, Marehan got only 3 MPs; two from Dhuusa-Mareeb, 1 from Gedo mainly Luq area. The government was Somali government and the association with Marehan is ridiculous to say the least. When Marehan got involved, the government collapsed. In the hey days of Somali regime, there were more dominant Cawlyahan power than Marehan. I respect your views but it would actually be nice if you tell these delusional kids the truth. They may like your views better than mine, but at least I try my best to tell them the truth. If you don’t tell them the truth, you want them to embarrass the Darod name by talking like this in other Somali discussion forums. Government had nothing to do with Marehan and when Marehan tried to take the power and started employing the services of leaders like Mama Khadijo, we know what happened. My uncle who was a high-ranking official in the government once showed me a two page long OG positions in the Somali government. It was not that Siyad Barre preferred them over other Darods, it was the simple fact that over 60% of Somali military came from Ogaden clan.
These are few that I remember from that pure Ogaden domination of the government.
Minister of Defence; AUN Aadan Abdullahi Nuur Gabyow
Taliya Ciidanka Badda; Admiral Maxamed Cumar Cusmaan; Dhuudhi a Marehan was his deputy
Taliyaha Ciidanka Cirka General Siyad Daaduud Guudaal
Taliayaha Ciidanka Police ka AUN S/Gaas Aadan Kuukaay
Taliyaha 21 aad Gen. C/raxmaan Khaliif Dhicis
Taliya 60 General Muuse Xasan Sheek; nephew of Sayidka
Taliyaha labaad ee 26aad; Col Axmed Cumar Jees

Almost every single district police chief was also Ogaden mainly Reer Cabdille because of General Kuukay being the longest serving police commissioner.
Remember that this was a military goverment as the military and the armed forces in general ran the country.

Gudhad,




Ofcourse the Kacaan Gov was a Somali Gov, there was Cali Samatr, Kulmiye, the SRC council and if You were cuqdad free enough to think rationaly You'd understand the point here. The point was obviously the most identifiable member of the Kacaan was MSB being that He was the President, and Somalis will associate the tribe to Him. I wish Gedonet was back online You need Your theraputic release back.

[Voltage]

I think on one hand Siyaad Barre the induviduals role in uplifting minorities helped, but also the fact that He was the last real President of Somalia helped. I was watching a video of Mogadishu installing street lights the other day along with the security improvements. Almost every person interviewed was saying "Waxay i soo xasuusisay sidi maalmihi Siyaad Barre". In general His reign was viewed as the last time of stability and Somalis will always associate People>>Person. So if Siad Barre was is viewed as a just ruler when it comes to minorities by minorities then Marexaan will be viewed as being the same. If He was viewed as a arrogant, psycopath by them then Marexaan would be viewed the same.

I actually agree. My uncle recently came back from Xamar. Watching his videos I was very surprised at how well received he was there by the civilian population. I remember setting Roving straight little bit ago with the realistic facts

I will post the videos of my own uncle being chaffaured around like prince with everyone calling him "dawlada". Are you serious man? In Xamar, no one cares about your tribe. Everyone lives there.

So I think the viewpoint mentioned which says most Somali minorities in particular have a certain "fondness" for Marehan if you make your clan known to them as I have observed could be attributed to the era of Siad Barre's long reign.

[ModerateMuslim]

avicenna is koronto/kolombo? if so, allow it guhad. he's a soft spot for besha marehan, not so unlike the_patriot and besha mj, you see.

[Avicenna]

Guhad - I made two replies in this thread and in neither one did I say the government was a Marehan government. In my first reply I was trying to provide an answer to Voltage's question. In my second response, I was talking about my own biases towards the old government and it had nothing to do with Marehan, but more to do with having a functioning government & sovereignty. The question was why do minority clans show fondness for Marehan? I answered it could be because of associating it with MSB & the last time they had any peace or security, seeing as they were safe from any possible persecution back then & suffered the most post-civil war years. People usually make connections between such events & it could explain why dowladnimo is attributed to Marehan because of MSB and possibly even to Majeerteen because of Sharmarke's presidency. We do the same with Bush's presidency when trying to explain financial woes in this country & budget crisis. Even though Bush was just one individual in a whole administration and could not possibly have called for all those disastrous policies that led to the economic meltdown, we do it anyway.


As for my views towards the MSB government, it was a national government and with its ills & wrongs, we at least had something. We were also headed towards transitioning and it was only a matter of time before socialism was abandoned and a better candidate came along. Not sure if you can recall, but in 1990, there was a change taking place and the economy was picking up. Commercialization of nationalized assets was taking place, we were headed for better things as a nation, regardless of clans. Even the education system was becoming more transparent & modernized. High schoolers had the option of studying either in Somali, Arabic or English. Something unheard of in the years before. Travel restrictions were becoming loosened, same thing with money wiring out of the country. It wasn't a perfect government, in fact it was a crappy one, but it was at least better than the mayhem and the madness that ensued. Our standard of living was better than many countries. We had something that transcended clans, we had nationalism and sovereignty. MSB could have been Majeerteen, Isaaq or Hawiye and I would still feel the same way. It was a Somali government and as crappy as it was, it beat being referred to as "the world's most failed state."

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

I read in a book that the Harti who lived in the south alongside the Mareexans and others made a tier or class system that made them above all other clans, including the Mareexams.

Haye..was it written by some tootless qaldaan Only qaldaans have that weird slave mentality
Back to the topic...Why beat them down why you can make them productive citizens

Mody aka Galia..ur days on snet are numbered..hutu ladyboy

[mody21]

I've said it before mody is a sheegato he doesn't represent beesha's views. At first I thought he was an ilkayar trying to instigate but now I smell cambuulo iyo muufo.

and who are you ?

cambulo iyo mufo kulaha, is your sister cooking or is it ur mom?