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No, because you churn out vague bullshit. Anybody who even says Ethiopian, is a hairball when it comes to this stuff. Look at you again, Middle-Easterners, Sub-Saharan etc.Itrah wrote:Why? Is it because you know it destroys your Hamitic theory?samaalenoble wrote:Stop sniffing the glue bro.
Somalis are only close to Ethiopians. They are autosomally quite far removed from Berbers and Middle Easterners. But also most Sub-Saharan Africans, too.
95% of Ethiopians are genetically similar. Amharas and Oromos are the standard. Only a minority of exotic tribes in the SNNPR province (less than 5%) are different from the mainstream of Ethiopia.samaalenoble wrote:No, because you churn out vague bullshit. Anybody who even says Ethiopian, is a hairball when it comes to this stuff. Look at you again, Middle-Easterners, Sub-Saharan etc.
Moron foqol moron.
samaalenoble wrote:No, because you churn out vague bullshit. Anybody who even says Ethiopian, is a hairball when it comes to this stuff. Look at you again, Middle-Easterners, Sub-Saharan etc.Itrah wrote:Why? Is it because you know it destroys your Hamitic theory?samaalenoble wrote:Stop sniffing the glue bro.
Somalis are only close to Ethiopians. They are autosomally quite far removed from Berbers and Middle Easterners. But also most Sub-Saharan Africans, too.
Moron foqol moron. Not to mention, I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.
[/quote]samaalenoble wrote:I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.
samaalenoble wrote:I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.
Don't worry about me saxib.Itrah wrote:Never lied. You can e-mail those professors (all public information) and ask them where the samples are from. We have samples from Jigjiga, Puntland, Mogadishu, Garissa now. The group from Northeastern Somalia were the most Cushitic. Fact.
Warya go check a basic Principle Component Analysis plot of those samples. You have samples from Jigjiga and Garissa clustering with Oromos with Omotic input. It is a fact. Why you so butthurt about it? Not all Somalis are the same.samaalenoble wrote:Don't worry about me saxib.
The problem with your trolling is that there are undiscerning and uninformed people out there who will believe you. Which is odd, because it's very un-German behavior.
Eid Mubarak.
Are you a toddler? Mixing truths with half truths and full-on bs trying to manipulate me. I'm not your parents, I have no toys for you. Did you miss out on that Eid money?Itrah wrote:Warya go check a basic Principle Component Analysis plot of those samples. You have samples from Jigjiga and Garissa clustering with Oromos with Omotic input. It is a fact. Why you so butthurt about it? Not all Somalis are the same.samaalenoble wrote:Don't worry about me saxib.
The problem with your trolling is that there are undiscerning and uninformed people out there who will believe you. Which is odd, because it's very un-German behavior.
Eid Mubarak.
Are you from those regions?
Then how would you explain how haplogroups E1b1b-V32 and T came to be dominant among modern Somalis, whereas A3b and J1 are virtually non-existent?Itrah wrote:The high T1 in the Northwest is just random. No need to explain by ridiculous wars.
Also, the high E-V32 in Somalis is totally random. Both T and E-V32 are overinflated in Somalis through random process. Somali Y lineages used to be more similar to those of Ethiopians with more A3b, J1, and other types of E1b1b before T and E-V32 got so pumped in frequency.
Luckily the maternal lineages did not experience a founder effect and are similar to those of our neighbors.
Haplogroup T (formerly known as haplogroup K2-M70) is today mainly found among ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in Northeast Africa. I take it, then, that you subscribe to Luis et al. (2004)'s theory that the haplogroup T carriers on the continent were originally more widespread, but were later overwhelmed by groups carrying other haplogroups?samaalenoble wrote:That's a terrible and devious explanation and example, of a population bottleneck event. A 14 year war don't cause a bottleneck event moron. The indigenous Somali populations that carry haplogroup T were simply drastically reduced.
At least you got the current SNP methodology problem correct.
Tell your buddy there not to damage any UNESCO world heritage sites in his lifetime. Eid Mubarak.
It is certainly an interesting argument. I actually don't rule it out entirely.”The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b). The K2-M70 expansion estimates in Egypt (17.5–13.7 ky; see table 3) are consistent with an early African diaspora. From the present-day African distribution of K2-M70, it is difficult to determine which of the two Africa/Asia migratory passages, if any, prevailed in its southward journey. However, the BATWING expansion estimates of both the Egyptian and Turkish K2-M70 lineages (13.7 ky and 9.0 ky, respectively) are much older than that of Oman (1.6 ky), which suggests that the Levantine corridor may have been used more extensively in the African dissemination of this lineage as well.”
Good going sxb. We must support our archaeologists, as they are honoring our ancestral heritage.Xildiiid wrote:I'm an ancient Puntite since some of the artifacts were discovered around the area my ancestors lived.
I just bought the damn book
Why do you think that haplogroup T is not found between Southern Egypt and Northern Somalia in any significant numbers?Bilis wrote:Haplogroup T (formerly known as haplogroup K2-M70) is today mainly found among ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in Northeast Africa. I take it, then, that you subscribe to Luis et al. (2004)'s theory that the haplogroup T carriers on the continent were originally more widespread, but were later overwhelmed by groups carrying other haplogroups?samaalenoble wrote:That's a terrible and devious explanation and example, of a population bottleneck event. A 14 year war don't cause a bottleneck event moron. The indigenous Somali populations that carry haplogroup T were simply drastically reduced.
At least you got the current SNP methodology problem correct.
Tell your buddy there not to damage any UNESCO world heritage sites in his lifetime. Eid Mubarak.
It is certainly an interesting argument. I actually don't rule it out entirely.”The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b). The K2-M70 expansion estimates in Egypt (17.5–13.7 ky; see table 3) are consistent with an early African diaspora. From the present-day African distribution of K2-M70, it is difficult to determine which of the two Africa/Asia migratory passages, if any, prevailed in its southward journey. However, the BATWING expansion estimates of both the Egyptian and Turkish K2-M70 lineages (13.7 ky and 9.0 ky, respectively) are much older than that of Oman (1.6 ky), which suggests that the Levantine corridor may have been used more extensively in the African dissemination of this lineage as well.”
Like E1b1b, haplogroup T is also found in the Southern Egypt/northern Sudan area. Its geographical distribution appears to parallel that of the mtDNA haplogroup M1, so the two may have been companion lineages.
Not quite. Wars with Abyssinia were comparatively recent events and had nothing to do with change in genetic composition of the populations. You are insinuating that the V-32 clade was predominant in the region, but that is not true. The population then, as now, were predominantly the same clans, hence same genetic markers, Hap T. It had less to do with bottleneck, and more to do (perhaps) with founder effect. I would believe your hypothesis if Futuh al-Habash occurred 5,000 years ago, not 500 years ago. In molecular evolution that is how long it takes for mutation to happen.A population bottleneck is basically when a portion of a population dies or is killed off through natural disasters, war, or some other calamity. In this case, many E1b1b-carrying Somalis were killed during the Adal Sultanate's medieval Futuh al-Habash or conquest of Abyssinia
Indeed my brother.Bilis wrote:Good going sxb. We must support our archaeologists, as they are honoring our ancestral heritage.Xildiiid wrote:I'm an ancient Puntite since some of the artifacts were discovered around the area my ancestors lived.
I just bought the damn book
