The Land belongs to Israel?

[Murax]

True Carabs are decended from Nabi Ismaacil Calahyi Salam and everybody else are Carbaized Carabs. Nabi Maxamed SAW simplifed things by saying al Carabul Lisaan "Arab is a tounge" meaning anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. This made thing easier later on becuase the Arab nation goes from Oman on the Persian Gulf all the way to Morroco on the Atlantic Ocean and up north to Iraq.

The reason Yemenis are dark is because the powerful Xabashi went up to Yemen conquered it lived there for a little bit, and probably foricbly married their Women. Walee Xabashi have a history.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

Daaroods are NOT

[zackabdul]

True Carabs are decended from Nabi Ismaacil Calahyi Salam and everybody else are Carbaized Carabs. Nabi Maxamed SAW simplifed things by saying al Carabul Lisaan "Arab is a tounge" meaning anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. This made thing easier later on becuase the Arab nation goes from Oman on the Persian Gulf all the way to Morroco on the Atlantic Ocean and up north to Iraq.

The reason Yemenis are dark is because the powerful Xabashi went up to Yemen conquered it lived there for a little bit, and probably foricbly married their Women. Walee Xabashi have a history.

I envy them sometimes bro, the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) use to speak good of them and even sent his men to the King Negus of Abyssinian to take refuge. Wallahi this King was a good man. When the Banu Quraysh who apposed the prophet ordered that the King send the migrants back so they could kill them, he refused and protected them.

[Starscream]

That was because the Abyssinian Negus, king of kings, was a Christian, a man closer to the Muslim migrants that came to him for refuge, than the Quraish. He would have committed a sin if he delivered men with a monotheistic belief for execution to idolising pagans. He was also touched by the Sahaba's goodness.

[Grant]

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Places/Place/339183


Ibrahiim 2000-1700 BCE Pays a tithe to Melchizadek, king of Salem, gets grazing rights in the area of Jerusalem. Buys the cave of the Patriarchs at Hebron as a burying place.

Joseph, Vizier of Egypt, son of Yakub, is thought to have had RED hair. Before 1290 BCE.

Moses 1290-1440 BCE

David, King of Israel, 1010-970 BCE. His dynasty reigned for 350 years.

Division of Israel into Northern and Southern kingdoms 922 BCE

Destruction of the Northern kingdom 722 BCE, the loss of Samaria and eight of the land-holding tribes.

The Babylonian captivity 586-537 BCE

538-430 BCE. - The reformation of Israel after the Babylonian captivity was led by the Jewish scribes Nehemiah and Ezra. Ezra instituted synagogue and prayer services, and canonized the Torah by reading it publicly to the Great Assembly in Jerusalem, which he set up.

Destruction of the Temple of Herod- 70 AD. The people are removed from the land and distributed throughout the Roman Empire as slaves. Most governments thereafter forbad them to return.

Arab rule begins - 636 AD

The Ottomans forbad Jewish immigration into Palestine and attempted to move Muslims into the area. While there were always some small Jewish communities left in Palestine, legal Jewish return and land purchase was not possible until the British gained control in 1920.

[Quadratic]

Few things we need to clarify in this topic.

A- Allah chose the Sons of Prophet Jacob(Israel) for their islamic faith and not for their ethnicity.

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [132-133] And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)." Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (God - Allah), the Ilah (God) of your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), One Ilah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)."


Prophet Yacqub(Jacob, known as Israel) says to his children above as related to us by God, Allah chose them for Islam. They were not chosen because of their ethnicity. Let us be clear on that.


B- After we stablished why Allah chose the Israelis back in those days, we must also clarify that the promises made to them and the favouratism were all based on their performance. They were not given carte balanche to do as they pleased. If they failed, when they failed, Allah punished them. That is what happened to the Israelis then, they were defeated and exiled from the promised land for their failure.


Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [61] And (remember) when you said, "O Musa (Moses)! We cannot endure one kind of food. So invoke your Lord for us to bring forth for us of what the earth grows, its herbs, its cucumbers, its Fum (wheat or garlic), its lentils and its onions." He said, "Would you exchange that which is better for that which is lower? Go you down to any town and you shall find what you want!" And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the Wrath of Allah. That was because they used to disbelieve the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the Prophets wrongfully. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress the bounds (in their disobedience to Allah, i.e. commit crimes and sins).

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [211] Ask the Children of Israel how many clear Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We gave them. And whoever changes Allah's Favour after it had come to him, [e.g. renounces the Religion of Allah (Islam) and accepts Kufr (disbelief),] then surely, Allah is Severe in punishment.



Also, Prophet Mohamed was expecting the Jews to come to his aid and support him against the pagans, instead, they became his worst enemies and concealed the the truth in their books regarding prophet Mohamed. They knew who he was but chose to reject him out of envy. When you are deluded to think you are chosen by God because of your ethnicity, you hardly make sense, and that is what happened to the jews/israelis in their final failure, they denied Allah's messenger(Mohamed) who was sent to them and therefore fell of Allah's grace for the thousandth time.

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [146] Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)




Finally, I quote what happened at the Fall of Jerusalem during Omar Ibnul Khattab. The Jerusalem Patriarch refused to hand the keys to the muslim army and demanded their leader should come to take the key. The story is below in the next post.

[Quadratic]

"The city of Jerusalem sacred to the Jews and the Christians was strongly fortified. It was protected on every side by deep valleys and steep ascents. Military engines were mounted on the walls which were intended for playing havoc with the advancing invader. It was the winter season, and the severity of the winter added to the difficulties of the besieging Muslim force. The siege dragged on and the Byzantines offered very stiff resistance.

Amr b Al Aas the Muslim Commander in the southern sector wrote to Abu Ubaida for reinforcement. By this time, northern Syria had fallen to the Muslims and Abu Ubaida was able to spare many contingents which rushed to the aid of the Muslims fighting in the southern sector. When the citizens of Jerusalem came to know that the besieging Muslim forces had been considerably strengthened they lost heart. Finding further resistance futile the Patriarch of Jerusalem sued for peace. He said that it was written in their holy books that the city would surrender to the man who was the best among the Muslims. He accordingly desired that the Caliph Umar should come to Jerusalem personally to receive the surrender of the city.

Abu Ubaida referred the matter to Umar at Madina. Umar called a meeting of his Consultative Council, and asked for their advice, Othman expressed the view that it was not necessary for the Caliph to go, and that the defeated Byzantines would themselves surrender. Ali said that Jerusalem was as much sacred to the Muslims as the Jews or the Christians, and that in view of the sanctity of the place it was desirable that its surrender should be received by the Caliph personally. Umar decided to accept the advice of Ali.

Leaving Ali as his deputy at Madina, Umar proceeded to Jerusalem. No retinue accompanied the Caliph. Umar was accompanied by one slave only, and between these two persons they had only one camel which they rode turn by turn. As they neared Jabia where the Muslim Commanders were to meet Umar, it was the turn of the slave to ride. The slave wanted Umar to ride the animal, but Umar refused. As they came to Jabia the people saw the strange spectacle of the slave riding the camel and the Caliph walking on foot.

At Jabia the Muslim Commanders met Umar. Abu Ubaida was dressed in coarse garments, and Umar was much pleased to meet him. Yazid b. Abu Sufiyan, Khalid bin Walid and some other commanders were dressed in fine clothes and Umar expressed his displeasure at their gaudy dress. Abu Ubaida explained in detail the situation in Syria. He elaborated how with the grace of God the Muslims had been able to overthrow the mighty Byzantine power in Syria. As Umar saw the green fields, orchards and lofty buildings of Syria he was greatly moved and he recited from the Holy Quran:

"They have left many a garden, fountain, park, arbor, and riches which they used to enjoy. Thus it is that We put another community in possession thereof."

A deputation from Jerusalem waited on Umar at Jabia and a treaty was drawn up. According to the treaty security of life and property were guaranteed to all citizens of Jerusalem. The safety of churches and other religious buildings and places was provided for. The citizens were required to pay Jizya. Any one not agreeable to owe allegiance to the Muslims was given the option to leave the city.

After the treaty had been drawn up, Umar decided to travel to Jerusalem. Again he traveled in a simple way as an ordinary traveler. No guard was suffered to accompany him. He rode on a poor horse, and refused to change it for a better charger.

At the gate of Jerusalem, Umar was greeted by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, the elite of the city and the Muslim Commanders. While those who had come to receive him wore costly dress, Umar was dressed in a garment of coarse cloth ordinarily worn by an average Arab. When some one advised him to wear a better dress befitting the state occasion, Umar turned down the suggestion saying that he derived his strength and status from his faith in Islam, and not from any dress. When the Patriarch of Jerusalem saw the ascetic simplicity of the Caliph of Islam, and then looked to his own costly dress, he said, "Verily Islam has excelled all other religions".

The Patriarch of Jerusalem handed over the keys of the city of Jerusalem to Umar. The Muslims were now the masters of Jerusalem. That was a special divine favor of God to the Muslims. As Umar entered the city he was greeted by the citizens with great enthusiasm. Umar said that he wanted to be led to some place where he could offer thanksgiving prayer to God. He was led to a Church but he refused to pray there, on the ground that that would set a precedent for the Muslims of the following generations to forcibly convert churches into mosques. He was thereafter led to a place where the prophet David used to pray. Here Umar offered special prayers of thanksgiving and all the Muslims joined him. As the Byzantines watched the Muslims at pray, they felt that such people so obedient to God were bound to command. The Patriarch said that he was not sorry for surrendering the city for he had surrendered it to a better people. "

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Arti ... anion/Omar.





The Patriarch of Jerusalem recognized Muslims were the rightful rulers of the Holy City, and now we have some so called muslims in this very thread who were arguing otherwise. Just shows you how lost some muslims are lately.

PS:I repeat, if you have no knowledge of any subject, shut your trap UP PLEASE.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The land belongs to Muslims,Jews and Christians. There is no room for zionism.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

True Carabs are decended from Nabi Ismaacil Calahyi Salam and everybody else are Carbaized Carabs. Nabi Maxamed SAW simplifed things by saying al Carabul Lisaan "Arab is a tounge" meaning anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. This made thing easier later on becuase the Arab nation goes from Oman on the Persian Gulf all the way to Morroco on the Atlantic Ocean and up north to Iraq.

The reason Yemenis are dark is because the powerful Xabashi went up to Yemen conquered it lived there for a little bit, and probably foricbly married their Women. Walee Xabashi have a history.

Ancient arabs are those from Yemen,while Ismaelites were arabized.
Ishmael was the son of Abraham al iraaqi and egyptian slave woman.How can his descendants be true arabs?

[Quadratic]

You are right about that HutuKing, Murax has it the opposite way, the Arabized Arabs are prophet Ismacil's descendants. The tribes who settled with his Mother are the real Arabs, the people Ishamel married into.

[fagash_killer]

hutu maantaa caqliga maxaa kaa roon. you are right the land belongs to the sons of israel may they be muslims christians ama jews.

[Quadratic]

^ You didn't make sense sambac yohow, iska aamus.

[gurey25]

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Places/Place/339183


Ibrahiim 2000-1700 BCE Pays a tithe to Melchizadek, king of Salem, gets grazing rights in the area of Jerusalem. Buys the cave of the Patriarchs at Hebron as a burying place.

Joseph, Vizier of Egypt, son of Yakub, is thought to have had RED hair. Before 1290 BCE.

Moses 1290-1440 BCE

David, King of Israel, 1010-970 BCE. His dynasty reigned for 350 years.

Division of Israel into Northern and Southern kingdoms 922 BCE

Destruction of the Northern kingdom 722 BCE, the loss of Samaria and eight of the land-holding tribes.

The Babylonian captivity 586-537 BCE

538-430 BCE. - The reformation of Israel after the Babylonian captivity was led by the Jewish scribes Nehemiah and Ezra. Ezra instituted synagogue and prayer services, and canonized the Torah by reading it publicly to the Great Assembly in Jerusalem, which he set up.

Destruction of the Temple of Herod- 70 AD. The people are removed from the land and distributed throughout the Roman Empire as slaves. Most governments thereafter forbad them to return.

Arab rule begins - 636 AD

The Ottomans forbad Jewish immigration into Palestine and attempted to move Muslims into the area. While there were always some small Jewish communities left in Palestine, legal Jewish return and land purchase was not possible until the British gained control in 1920.

some corrections grant.

before 70AD while it was a jewish majority and after 70AD there was considerable immigration of nomadic arabs into the area.
The arabs were always there on the fringes, after 70AD they simply filled the void.

By the time of Byzantine rule lets say justinians riegn around 500 AD the population was
made up of aramiac and greek speaking christians of jewish ancestry or arab, and hellenized roman settlers.
and arab christian tribes that were not culturally integrated into byzantine and spoke arabic as a first language and were more or less christian and allied to the byzantine crown.

the bani ghassan kingdom is a good example.

now for the Ottomans i do not think they ever banned jewish settlemnent
the ottomans spent allot of their encouraging jewish immighration into thier lands
as they were seen as a valuable resource.

The best gunmakers(they practically introduced guns and canons into europe) were andalusian
jewish and muslim gunsmiths.
The Ottoman sultans payed any price to bring them to the empire and it payed off bigtime.

Generally in the 18 and 19th centuries the ottomans regarded jewish immigration into the holy land with indifferance, they didnt care who cam in as long they payed thier taxes and stayed out of trouble.

I believe you are refering to Sultan Abdulhamid the Last Independant muslim ruler of a
powerfull country.
Abddulhamid was approached by the early leaders of the zioninst movement, theodore hertzl among others for the sale of palestime and he refused.
He was then alerted to the scope of the project and he put a stop to the first Aliyah

Abdulhamid balanced the budget took control over the economy from the lenders, so that he was not in the situation he was in before, and started resisting the zionist program very well while the Sultanate ws modernizing at a quick pace.

Sadly the last independant MUSLIM state was brought down by a zionist conspiracy from the
Salonika masonic lodge.

The sultan deposed by the zionist inspired and controlled young turks movement

from the time of the young turks rule, by the triumvarte of pashas that inculded enver pasha
there was unrestricted immigration into palestine.

the second Aaliyah was a success, and the third aaliyah started right after the balfour declaration.

so Grant you are incorrect, from the time of Sultan Abdulahamid till british rule there was no
opposition to zionism and the Ottoman empire was already dying puppet.

[Grant]

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-E ... estine.htm


"By 1880, about 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine, out of a population of about 400,000. At about that time, the Ottoman government imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchase, and also began actively soliciting inviting Muslims from other parts of the Ottoman empire to settle in Palestine, including Circassians and Bosnians."

http://www.jerusalemites.org/jerusalem/ottoman/1.htm

Abdulhamid had a "nationalities" problem. His government collapsed in 1908. The Brits didn't get control until 1920, when LIMITED legal immigration and land purchase became possible.

[Murax]

You are right about that HutuKing, Murax has it the opposite way, the Arabized Arabs are prophet Ismacil's descendants. The tribes who settled with his Mother are the real Arabs, the people Ishamel married into.

Actually You're right. I think the name of the true Arab tribe from Yemen and Arabized Ismaciil was Ximyar or something like that I could be wrong but the true Arabs did come from Yemen and Ismaciil and his decendents were Carabaized by these folks from Yemen.



Zackabdul,

Xabashi are a wonderful civilization and just because they have some Christians the Muslims from there have a lot to be proud of and hang their hat on as the Kingdom the Sahabah made xijrah too radihiyallahu canhum.