Xabashi scum cut down in Luuq, Gedo, 1 day after Dollow bomb

[Somaliweyn]

GB,

I am aware of the sequence of events that lead to this shamefull period. The division and mistrust is mainly created by the actions of warlords and traitors.

This is the reason also why I despise warlords and traitors...and why I believe it is imperative to separate the undesired inviduals and their respective groups in order to isolate and decimate the undesired elements within every group.




Also, the actions of supporters of warlords and traitors is prolonging the shamefull period and the existance of warlords and traitors.

For example: ´He actually believes Somalinimo and nationalism will be built on "Muloduud Supramacy´

In this, wittingly or unwittingly, mistrust is propagated by wanting to convince patriotic Somalis not to unite because Somalinimo and Somaliweyn will be misused by a patricular group.

In this, he is not alone. This too is a well-known propaganda tactic used by reactionary groups.

For example: The secessionist group who always equate Somaliweyn and Somalinimo with Southerners supremacy over Northern groups.

[Gedo_Boy]

Yeah, that's why maybe it is good to leave politics for a while and look at things from a large big-picture perspective. I stopped taking most of these posts seriously b/c you don't really know anybody and maybe these sentiments need to be aired from time to time. Most Somalis are patriotic but it might be dormant right now due to the current animosity.

That's why I am not trying not to bring up controversial topics anymore, especially about the past.

But if there are so many traitors in our midst, then I believe that Somalia is not ready for democracy. It needs a 'benevolent dictator'.

I can see how your perspective on MSB might be colored by your own experience, but try to look at it from another perspective: Do you think he could have foresaw all these 'traitors in our midst' and felt that if he didn't control the country with an iron hand things might fall apart and we would be victims of a predatory Ethiopia?

Wallahi Blillah true story. My father once told MSB that he had a dream Ethiopia was dividing/colonizing Somalia, and MSB said: "Maya anakaa kala qeybineyno insha'Allah" .....maybe, just maybe he saw all the people against him as pawns of Ethiopia that were trying to destabilize the country.

I'm not bringing this up to try to get you to change your opinion b/c that is the past as far as I'm concerned and I'm open to the fact that I may not have the whole story. Really, I don't care anymore.

But it is always important to try to picture yourself in other's shoes and try to imagine yourself in their position and see what can and can't be compromised on.

Somalia needs a wise leader right now, but even if they had that he would be mistrusted due to Qabiil animosity.

Anyways, I'm looking at it from the perspective that maybe there needs to be a hostile foreign enemy for Somalis to gain back their sense of nation.

Maybe most Somalis won't rise up against the Ethiopians until Ethiopians start shelling/bombing every major region in Somalia like when the Germans leveled Stalingrad it caused Russians to finally wake up & fight.

[Somaliweyn]

GB,

MSB is a whole different chapter. His 21-year rule had its effect on Somali society, without doubt. You say that his rule contained the opportunists...I think that the opportunists were created during his period of rule. Obviously they did not descend from the sky, or from nothing. They are the product of 21-years rule.

This is also not surprising, since every society gets crippled when it finds itself under a long period of oppressive dictatorship.

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The benvolent type of dictator= authoritarian type leader who is bend on developing the country in his period of rule.

These type of leaders are rare, and one can find them in countries like Singapore, Maleysia, South Korea, Taiwan etc.

The difference between them and MSB:

They were bend on developing the country or resign.
MSB was bend on ruling, developing the country was a means to legitimize his rule.

Just look at the period 1969-1974...MSB regime was too focused on developmental projects...in order to get popular support and strengthen his newly acquired rule.

After 1980s, the hell with developmental projects...every AID went into private pockets. The regime felt secure enough to defend its rule without having popular support.


Another difference:

-benevolent leaders ala Singapore or Maleysia establish institutions to govern the country and are ready to step aside eventhough the people want them to stay.

-MSB established institutions to defend his regime, and was bend on staying in power eventhough the people wanted him to step aside as early as 1986.



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The 21-year period needs to be studied thoroughly, because obviously we haven't fully understoon the impact those years had on the psyche of Somali society.

[Voltage]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Yeah, that's why maybe it is good to leave politics for a while and look at things from a large big-picture perspective. I stopped taking most of these posts seriously b/c you don't really know anybody and maybe these sentiments need to be aired from time to time. Most Somalis are patriotic but it might be dormant right now due to the current animosity.

That's why I am not trying not to bring up controversial topics anymore, especially about the past.

But if there are so many traitors in our midst, then I believe that Somalia is not ready for democracy. It needs a 'benevolent dictator'.

I can see how your perspective on MSB might be colored by your own experience, but try to look at it from another perspective: Do you think he could have foresaw all these 'traitors in our midst' and felt that if he didn't control the country with an iron hand things might fall apart and we would be victims of a predatory Ethiopia?

Wallahi Blillah true story. My father once told MSB that he had a dream Ethiopia was dividing/colonizing Somalia, and MSB said: "Maya anakaa kala qeybineyno insha'Allah" .....maybe, just maybe he saw all the people against him as pawns of Ethiopia that were trying to destabilize the country.

I'm not bringing this up to try to get you to change your opinion b/c that is the past as far as I'm concerned and I'm open to the fact that I may not have the whole story. Really, I don't care anymore.

But it is always important to try to picture yourself in other's shoes and try to imagine yourself in their position and see what can and can't be compromised on.

Somalia needs a wise leader right now, but even if they had that he would be mistrusted due to Qabiil animosity.

Anyways, I'm looking at it from the perspective that maybe there needs to be a hostile foreign enemy for Somalis to gain back their sense of nation.

Maybe most Somalis won't rise up against the Ethiopians until Ethiopians start shelling/bombing every major region in Somalia like when the Germans leveled Stalingrad it caused Russians to finally wake up & fight.[/quote]

Excellent expression of your believes bro, but unfortunately as I had already realized you will not be satisfied, in so far as anything worthy of rebuttal is concerned, by anything Somaliweyn can respond with. His forte is not to respond articulately giving justice to the discussion as opposed to empty one liners colored with sophisticated English words here and there.

[AbdiWahab252]

What is it to anyone here to DEFEND the notion of Xabash soldiers getting killed after entering Somalia ?

I am sure majority of AVERAGE Somalis cheer each time a Xabash soldier bites the dust.

[Voltage]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]What is it to anyone here to DEFEND the notion of Xabash soldiers getting killed after entering Somalia ?

I am sure majority of AVERAGE Somalis cheer each time a Xabash soldier bites the dust.[/quote]

Clearly not Cabdi Qaybdiid supporters, or should i say "Gen Cabdi Nasteex" 8)

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage,

Yep, him and his 1,300 employees