WHERE IS THAT FOOL SOMALIWEYN??

[Voltage]

Straight up murder by SB...!

[Twisted_Logic]

SadeBoi,

Your humorous attempt to discount the Mudulood resistance against the Italians is quite convenient. It is JUST the right approach in response to information. Just deny that it exists, just label it all meaningless. Then it will all just go away. Knowledge is power in today's world and I will continue to take solace in making you informed.

This is the historical document that I have presented to you:

At Warsheikh, the center of numerous Abgaal tribe, his visit was the first ever made by an Italian ship. Briefly putting ashore at that small town, crew members of the Volta were given hostile reception . Two men lost their lives, THE FIRST Italians to suffer death at the hands of the Somali"

Again on Page 63 he writes:

"With government approval, Cecchi prepared for an expedition into the interior. His caravan consisted of seventy askaris, Commander Ferdinando Maffei of the Staffetta, Commander Franscesco Mongiardini of the Volturno, and fourteen other Italians, for the most members of the crew of the two ships. That very night their encampment at Lafole, some 12 miles inland was attacked. In the early morning hours,as the caravan got underway it was attacked again. By eight-thirty in the morning of November 26, all but three dead or dying."

Since you have denied that reality, let me educate you more on the subject. Only one statement form the book you have quoted in your previous post is enough to dismiss the entire assertions you have made in your previous posts.

"First at Adowe, then Lafole, the FUTURE of Italian colonialism in the horn of Africa VERY UNPROMISING"

Italian colonialism in Somalia, Robert L Hess 1966)

But let's move beyond that above statement and see the dynamics at play at that time:


This event sparked one of the longest resistance struggles in Southern Somalia (Benadir) against Italian penetration and occupation of Somalia. This long resistance is only second to the heroic great struggle of Sayyid Muhammed Abdulle Hassan and his darawish army.

What happened on that day of November 25-26th of 1896? Who was this Cecchi guy? Who were these mysterious warriors that swiftly defeated this first Italian colonial penetration of the hinterland of Benadir? Why is this event put in the same line as the humiliating defeat of the Italians by Ethiopians in Adowa? And last but not least, what were the consequences of this event in Lafole?

This episode in Somali history is perhaps the least known, although it had crucial impact on the future of Somalia. Instead, most Somalis are not aware of this event while the Italians have built a monument for Antonio Cecchi in Lafole which stands in the Bush unvisted, while throughout the Banadir 1896 is remembered in the count of the years as Ahmed Shiikh, the " Sunday Year of Cecchi."

To present an elaborate account of this event, we need to start with the context. Who were the main groups in the Benadir region? Who was Antonio Cecchi and what was his role in the Italian expansion into Somalia? And what were the consequences of this event both for Somali groups and Italy?

In a number of series I'll present the complete story, and show why this event and the shockwave it send throughout Benadir and Southern Somalia is still relevant to this day.

1: Background on banadir region.

Banadir region consisted of the four Banadir ports of: Warshiekh, Mogadishu, Merca and Barawe. These four point port-cities were inhabited by Somali groups along with Arabs and people of mixed origins and traders from the Indian Ocean. The authority of Mogadishu for example was nominally under Omani Rule, but the city had two real administrations, one in hamar wayne and the other in Shangani. These four Banadiri ports were the linkages between the hinterland, connecting trade centers of harare and Ogaden region in Ethiopia to Banadir ports, the trade towns of Luuq, Baardhere and Geledi. In the hinterland of Banadir diverse groups existed, like Geledi, Hintire, Wacdan, Biyomaal, Murusade, Shiidle, etc.

The relevent groups in this discussion of Ahmed Shiiki are: Geledi, Wacdaan, Biyomaal and Murusade.

The Geledi State:

The Geledi Sultanate was a sultanate that came into existance when the clans of Geledi and Wacdan made an alliance against the Silicis group who then ruled the Shabelle Valley. After this successful revolt, the two clans lived together and linked their future which gradually led to the formation of the Geledi Sultanate. For two centuries or so the Geledi and their Wacdaan allies had formed a small independent state, that prospered by trade, which they attempted to control, and had for a time held together a much wider clan empire.

in spire of the differences between them in way of life, language, and traditions, Geledi and Wacdaan formed a close and lasting alliance. They were joined later-sometime early in the 19th Century- by section of another Hawiye clan, the Murasade. ( Virginia Luling, 2002)

The Wacdaan:

The Wacdaan is a Mudulood group that settled in Lower Shabelle as early as the 18th Century. They were allied with Geledi and Murusade, and lived between Afgoye and the coast around region around Mogadishu.

The Italian Expansion into Banadir/Somalia

Italy was eager to join the leagues of other European imperialist nation like Britain, France, and Germany. To achieve this they set their eyes on East Africa, and made their first incursion into Eritrea in which they acquired the Massawa port.

Italian expansion in Somalia began in 1885, when Antonio Cecchi, an explorer led an Italian expedition into LOWER JUBBA REGION and concluded a commercial treaty with the Sultan of Zanzibar. In 188, Italy established protectorates over the eastern territories then under the nominal rule of the sultans of Obbia and of Alula; and in 1892, the sultan of Zanzibar leased concessions along the Indian Ocean coat to Italy.

Antonio Cechhi's Role:

As already becomes clear, Antonio Cechhi spearheaded the Italian expansion into Somalia. He was chosen to lead the mission because of his past and reputation of being a supporter of Italian expansion into East Africa.

"The choice of Cechhi to head the mission was logical, for he had been active in the exploration of Northeast Africa. In 1876 he had led an expedition from Zeila to the frontiers of Kaffa in Southern Ethiopia. From that time he was an ardent partisan of Italian expansion into the Horn. Cechhi was probably the first to succeed in directing Italian attention toward the Somalia Coast." ( Robert L Hess)

"In his speeches there was an optimistic ring: the Cechhi mission and others would surely discover vast fertile areas awaiting peaceful cultivation and commercial penetration" ( Robert L Hess)

After he returned from the Lower Jubba Region he became obsessed with Italian expansion into Somalia.

" On the basis of his explorations and his often unfounded enthusiasm for the area, he insisted on the long importance of the Jubba River as the key to much larger colonial program:

....Once we acquire with certainty the knowledge that the Juba is navigable...then it is certain that it will become the most natural artery for the exploration of the abundant coffee harvest of kaffa and the surrounding regions..Now that our Italy has established itself the at Massawa..it is possible for Italy to extend its possessions toward the South..The Juba would thus mark the extreme southern boundary of our possessions." ( Robert L Hess)

Italy succeeded through negotiations with the Sultan of Zanzibar to sign commercial treaties with Zanzibar, which allowed Italy to trade with the Banadir region. This initial success was followed by long negotiations in which the Italians wanted to lease the Benadir region. After a while they succeeded in this too, and set up a commercial enterprise named after the Italian trader in East Africa Filonardi. Filonardi Company was lead by Filonardi himself and received some support from Italy in order to penetrate the Benadir and Somalia economically.

" From 1893 to 1896, Italian presence was limited to a small garrison of soldiers at LUUQ on the UPPER JUBBA River, and a few traders along the coast. The Italian outpost at Luuq had been established in 1895 to gather information on Somali trade in the region and to protect Italian interests in the Face of Ethiopian claims in the area." ( Lee Van Cassanelli)

This insignificant presence of Italian commercial interests in Banadir can hardly be called "colonization." There were a few Italians residents, and the police (Askaris) were still Arab who did not went further then their garrisons. Because of this situation, most Somali groups were not pressed to fight this initial penetration since the intentions of Italians were still vague.

" Perhaps because of the Filonardi Company's limited intervention in Somali affairs, there was only one notable incident of Somali hostility between 1893 and 1896. That occurred on 11 October 1893, the day the Italian Flag was first raised over the Geresa in Marka. A Somali attacked and killed an Italian solider, he in turn was killed with three shots from a "Wetterly" gun." ( Lee V. Cassanelli)

This was was the setting in Somalia and Banadir, before Cechhi became dominant in convincing the Italian Government to penetrate further into Somalia as he returned to Italy.

" On his return to Italy, however, Cechhi continued to pressure the government to tap the "rich commercial resources" of Somalia( Cecchi, Pesaro, to Foreign Minister C.F Nicolis Di Robilant, August 27, 1886)

Antonio Cecchi was an ardent expansionist who for some-time had been arguing the Italian government to take over the Banadir concessions. In seeking to promote his own version of Italian power in Somalia, Cecchi upset the fragile commercial arrangements that Filonardi had constructed. He replaced Filonardi's influential Hadrami interpreter with Arabs of his own choosing, returned an unpopular Italian resident to Marka, and sent Soldiers to the Lower Jubba area to try to force caravaneers to unload their wares at Baraawe rather than at the British-held ports of Kismaanyo and Goobweyn. ( Lee V Cassanelli)

" Obituary: Antonio Cecchi
The Geographical Journal, Vol. 9, NO. 2. ( Feb, 18897), p. 230.
JSTOR

Antonio Cecchi,

" The very well known Italian Explorer, Antonio Cecchi, has, together with various officers and men of the Italian gunboats Volturno and Stafletta, lately fallen a victim of to the treachery of the Somalis of the Benadir Coast, of which he was administrating. During a trip towards the Wabi Shabelle, the party was suddenly attacked by night, and, after expanding most of its ammunition, was obliged to beat a retreat, amidst renewed attacks by the Somalis. ALL THE OFFICERS LOST THEIR LIVES, and only three men succeeded in reaching Mogadishu."

I will finish the rest of my thoughts in the next post.

[Twisted_Logic]

Sadeboi,

You have the following point on your previous post:

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"Cheifs of the Shidle, Hawadleh, and MOBILEEN Somali began to swear allegiance to the colonial power. After the SUBMISSION of these cheifs and of several WADAN chiefs, the Somali enemies of the Bimal and the Wadam tribes petitioned Carletti to move forces inland."

MY GOD, lets continue, this is on page 91, and this is a letter governor Carletti wrote to the Italian Foreign Minster:

"With naive guile they [THE SOMALI CLANS MENTIONED] seek to prick my amour propre to make me move without delay. I have a sheaf of letters in which they DO NOTHING BUT REPEAT: WHY DON'T YOU COME, YOU HAVE RIFLES? YOU HAVE CANONS, WHAT DO YOU FEAR? YOU ARE AFRAID...MUHAMMED ABDULLAH HAS FORBIDDEN YOU TO MOVE"
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While the COMPLETE PICTURE SAYS:

The Wacdaan

" The Wacdaan were mainly pastoralist, with a small group turning to farming throughout the centuries for their alliances with the Geledi clan who were mainly agriculuralists. As said above, the Wacdaan were OPPOSED TO ANY COMPROMISE WITH THE FOREIGNERS. The FIERCE ANTI-FOREIGN stance was persistent in the culture of of WACDAAN and in the very Lafoole. The Place has been called Lafoole because apparently the Wacdaan DEFEATED the Gaalo Madoow, when they migrated to the Lower Shabelle around the 18th Century, hence the translation of Lafoole which is: Bones." ( Lee V Canssanelli)

Because of the Sultan of Geledi seemed hesistant to resist the Italian Expansion into Banadir Coast, the alliance was COOLED OFF. Apart from the weakening of their bonds with the Geledi, t he drought of 1890s which lead to a large population of their of wacdaan abandoning their homelands, the Italians posed the GREATEST THREAT TO THE GROUP. They were, moreover, the first inland Somalis who's territory was actually invaded by colonial soldiers at the time of Cecchi expedition.

" One of the most influential leaders among the Wacdaan was the leader of Shaykh Ahmed Haji Mahhadi. He was not Wacdaan but became the sheikh of Wacdaan. He was born in Mogadishu and hailed from the lineage of Mogadishu (Abgal). He had lived there most his life, teaching alongside such renowned Muslim Scholars as Shaykh Sufi and Shaykh Mukhdaar. Like the latter, HE FOUND COEXISTENCE IN A TOWN WHICH HOUSES INFIDALS INTOLERABLE, AND HE CHOSE TO RETIRE TO THE SMALL COASTAL ENCLAVE OF NIMOW, a little south of Mogadishu. There he set up a small jamaaca which attracted several of the local inhabitants. When Nimow was shelled by an Italian warship in retaliation for the Cecchi ambush, AHMED HAJJI feld to Day Suufi ( the heart of Wacdaan territory) where intensified his preaching against infidels. As late as 1907, the acting Italian governor considered him 'THE MOST LISTENED-TO PROPAGANDIST' in this area of Shabeelle. Even the Geledi turn to him rather their own sutan for religious consel. ( Lee V Cassanelli)

One of the Wacdaan leaders apparently influenced Ahmed Hajji Hassan was Hassan Hussain, Titular head of the largest sub-section of the Wacdaan clan, the Abubakar Moldheere. The Abubakar Moldheere WERE THE MOST NUMEROUS AND HENCE THE MOST POWERFUL SECTION OF THE WACDAAN in the late 19th Century. Hassan Hussein is remembered as one of the FIRST wacdaan to OPPOSE THE ITALIANS, WARRIORS FROM HIS LINEAGE WERE PROMINENT AMONG THE FORCES THAT ATTACKED CECCHI AT LOFOOLE. LIKE WISE, HIS LINEAGE WAS SPOKESMEN FOR THE ABUBAKAR MOLDHEERE, WHO MOST STRENUOUSLY ARGUED THE BLOCKADE OF CARAVAN ROUTES TO MOGADISHU ( Economic sanctions)" ( Lee v Cassanelli)



You can twist and turn all you want- these are solid facts that make mincemeat of your claims.

[Twisted_Logic]

Sadeboi,

This is a silly comment you made on your previous post:

"In the northern zone, where the Marehan and the Aulihan lived, there had never been political or administrative organization of any sort. The tribes there were as FREE AS ALL SOMALI HAD BEEN BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE BRITISH AND THE ITALIANS THIRTY-FIVE YEARS EARLIER."

While the reality is this:

" From 1893 to 1896, Italian presence was limited to a small garrison of soldiers at LUUQ on the UPPER JUBBA River, and a few traders along the coast. The Italian outpost at Luuq had been established in 1895 to gather information on Somali trade in the region and to protect Italian interests in the Face of Ethiopian claims in the area." ( Lee Van Cassanelli)

After he returned from the Lower Jubba Region he became obsessed with Italian expansion into Somalia.

" On the basis of his explorations and his often unfounded enthusiasm for the area, he insisted on the long importance of the Jubba River as the key to much larger colonial program:

....Once we acquire with certainty the knowledge that the Juba is navigable...then it is certain that it will become the most natural artery for the exploration of the abundant coffee harvest of kaffa and the surrounding regions..Now that our Italy has established itself the at Massawa..it is possible for Italy to extend its possessions toward the South..The Juba would thus mark the extreme southern boundary of our possessions." ( Robert L Hess)

Not just that,

" The Abgaal domination of Shingaani left the older elite of Xamarweyne( the other town moiety) without significant allies in the interior. One important consequence of this predicament, as well as an important indication of the internal dynamics of town history, was that direct commercial between the coast and LUUQ, the most important trading important trading emporium for southern Ethiopia, was established in the late 18th Century."

" Commander Thomas Smee learned in 1811 that Mogadishu is not very considerable, it may contain 150 to 200 houses...He also learned that it was governed by a a ' Soomaulee chief named Mahomed Bacahmee', probably the reigning Abgaal imaan....By comparison LUUQ had some 300 huts."

" which 9 Mogadishu) had influential religious and commercial inland with LUUQ through the settlement of Buur Hakaba"

When your leatle minority clan started disrupting that trade, this is what happened:

" Naturally calamity was soon followed by disruption of the interior trade as a consequence of military phase of BAARDHEERE jamaaca which lasted from 1836 untill its DEFEAT by the combined forces of Geledi Sultanates and ITS ALLIES ( WACDAAN) in mid-1843. Thus, the period from about 1835 or 1836 until early 1840s must have been one of the CONSIDERABLE TRAUMA FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WHOLE, BUT ESPECIALLY THE DOMINANT CLASS."

All of the facts mentioned are from

Muqdisho in the nineteenth Century: Regional Perspective
By Edward A Alpers

The Journal of African History Vol. 24, No.4 ( 1983) 441-459

Again, it is important to read carefully then make silly assertions and congratulate one another for an empty e-victory.

[Voltage]

Twisted, this is the best case of quality vs. quantity. I will not disparage you. You wrote a lot of information, HOWEVER even scanning your information gave me a headache.

This is basically my interpretation of your post.

You made it SEEM as if you were actually using the specific book YET many of the stuff you wrote cleverly have the designation "jstor" under them. HOWEVER, after couple searches on Jstor, none of the information you sourced turned up. I will still give you the benefit of the doubt and let you try one last time to organize your information.

For information on Jstor either take a screen caption or write exactly how this information can be obtained there.

A screen copy is the preferred method of the Sade Lobby as you can see from these examples:

---"http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3096/marehan2od7.png"---

---"http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3536/marehan1nu4.png"---

When it comes to academic information, I am all for it as long as you follow protocol and make sure you don't purposely disorganize to hide the glaring disparity of quantity over quality in your post.

[Somaliweyn]

Kids wanting to discuss mature stuff is quite laughable. History demands objectivity and criticism, two characteristics these kids failed at.

Lets discuss Lafoole issue where it belongs: The topic titled: Lafoole 1896: Axad Shiiki.

Lets not derail the topic which was about the flying donkey-cavalery of the Barre loyalists. Ironic indeed, from having a Dictatorship system and acces to all the Soviet weapons of the Somali National Army to ryding on donkeys in fictional battles lool.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

You can't find a single source. Your lie has failed miserably apart. Give up while you can still salvage some dignity. The two silly links you have posted clearly expose the distortions you are so desperate to make. It CLEARLY says that Marehan tribesmen were making raids against Garre and Aulihan and not against ANY COLONIZERS! In fact, it clearly exposes your distorted claims:

" In 1909 sheikh Abdul Bari, a government agent, arranged a meeting of all the sub-clans, at which they were told that the BRITISH GOVERNMENT WOULD SOON BE EXTENDING ITS AUTHORITY IN THEIR DIRECTION. They were also advised to SETTLE ALL THEIR CLAIMS BEFORE HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S"

Try reading something for once- you might be able to say something less screamingly simplistic then.

ps

The sources are

1) Italian Colonialism in Somalia by Robert L. Hess. 1966
2)The Shaping of Somali Society, Reconstructing the History of a Pastoral People, 1600-1900 by Lee V Cassanelli. 1982
3) Somali Sultanate, The Geledi City-State over 150 years by Virginia Luling. 2002
4) http://www.jstor.org/view/00218537/ap010086/01a00030/0

ps

Scanning is actually academic barbarism. The way I have formatted my sourcing is the correct academic method. Title, author and year of publication should all be provided.

[wadaniweyn1]

this one is a massacre by the dameero crew against quule mafia .lol. simply waa lawassay the maroxaar ciyaal and there father xaarsade.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="wadaniweyn1"]this one is a massacre by the dameero crew against quule mafia .lol. simply waa lawassay the maroxaar ciyaal and there father xaarsade.[/quote]

This Voltage creature actually had the audacity to open a new thread without even waiting for my reply to the distorted views presented by sadeboi.

[Voltage]

Twisted, those print-screens I posted were but an example to show you how academic sources are evaluated on this forum. This forum has seen enough of the Marehan Blog not to question the length of Sade History and you as a junior will merely be forewarded to your cousin Somaliweyn who has previous experiences as a result of witnessing over a 100 discussions about Marehan History findings. The sheer number of documented history is enough to leave you and your clan in the dust. There is a blog in which you can look to your hearts content and it is called http://www.Marehansade.blogspot.com. Let us concentrate on this subject now.

To the topic now, we will check the BOOKS another time but thanks for your posting the Jstor you massacred.

I do not know why you got an article that disparages your clan so much. All the quotations you derived from it with respect to Mogadishu, DO speak well about Mogadishu but reading the article, one knows your clan is disparaged and is made out to be those who destroyed the "historical" nature of the city by polluting of its prestige.

The most important claim you made is that Mogadishu had 150 houses and Luuq had 200 huts and that somehow that is a testament of "Abgaal" worth. Luuq was the principal trading partner at that time, but let us examine the place of Abgaal vis-a-vis Mogadishu, whether in fact you actually were the result of Mogadishu's glory or the reason for its fall.

The article goes on to detail how the infiltration of Zanzibar-controlled, Geled- dominated Mogadishu by the HAWIYE, ABGAAL led to a decline of the city and reduction in the affluent population who had all decided to ship their capital to more pristine parts. The article basically made your people to be disreputable pariahs. They even go the elitist inhabitants of Xamarweyne, the "old trading city Mogadishu", had such a negative opinion that they ghettofied you and prevented you from visiting their urban center and even their Mosque!

All you have done is show us your unimportance existed over centuries!

Direct print-screens:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3680/24036573lq2.png

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9348/29599658ow2.png


Infact, if there is anyone who deserves the right to Boast it is the Digle-Geledi fellow Shirib! The most profound etho-graphic descriptions in the article concern the Digil-Geledi and the strength of their Leader who....get this...completely DOMINATED the Abgaal imam. Infact, the Abgaal imam was but a puppet to the Geledi leader!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2506/26077732bk3.png



The rest of your article continues to talk about the the real people behind Xamarweyne's success, which you were walled from, as Indians, Zanzibaris, Omanis, etc.

Interesting what holes the rest of your sources will spit out considering this you brought that disparaged your clan to that level.

[wadaniweyn1]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="wadaniweyn1"]this one is a massacre by the dameero crew against quule mafia .lol. simply waa lawassay the maroxaar ciyaal and there father xaarsade.[/quote]

This Voltage creature actually had the audacity to open a new thread without even waiting for my reply to the distorted views presented by sadeboi.[/quote]


why you wasting ur time arguing with them anyway ? ileen waxuu waa "only" marexaan eh .

[Voltage]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]Kids wanting to discuss mature stuff is quite laughable. History demands objectivity and criticism, two characteristics these kids failed at.

Lets discuss Lafoole issue where it belongs: The topic titled: Lafoole 1896: Axad Shiiki.

Lets not derail the topic which was about the flying donkey-cavalery of the Barre loyalists. Ironic indeed, from having a Dictatorship system and acces to all the Soviet weapons of the Somali National Army to ryding on donkeys in fictional battles lool.[/quote]


Somaliweyn, indha adakidaa??

Has the Lafoole Incident not been uncovered as the conniving work of two Arab who used primitive Somali tribes to rise up against the colonial master they were licking after?

[wadaniweyn1]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="Somaliweyn"]Kids wanting to discuss mature stuff is quite laughable. History demands objectivity and criticism, two characteristics these kids failed at.

Lets discuss Lafoole issue where it belongs: The topic titled: Lafoole 1896: Axad Shiiki.

Lets not derail the topic which was about the flying donkey-cavalery of the Barre loyalists. Ironic indeed, from having a Dictatorship system and acces to all the Soviet weapons of the Somali National Army to ryding on donkeys in fictional battles lool.[/quote]


Somaliweyn, indha adakidaa??

Has the Lafoole Incident not been uncovered as the conniving work of two Arab who used primitive Somali tribes to rise up against the colonial master they were licking after?[/quote]


this is when the argument gets beyond ridiculous .

.......................Has the Lafoole Incident not been uncovered as the conniving work of two Arab who used primitive Somali tribes to rise up against the colonial master they were licking after ... looool. wallahi waa joke kuwani.l@@@@@@@@@l

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

What wonderful magic happens when a boy's lies are exposed. He has to work SOOO hard to try to balance it with other criticisms to pretend to be sane and level-headed. I don't even know why I should take you any serious, you keep distorting the sources you present to the point that it becomes extremely frustrating for me to re-write the whole paragraph just to expose your silly distortions. Your views are totally retarded- on religion, on nationalism, and on history. You lack depth and originality. All you can do is repeat commonly repeated misconceptions that you have learned while you were in Kakuma and Utanga. And of course your repetitive lies and distortions is so hackneyed and boring. BELOW IS THE COMPLETE PARAGRAPHS OF THE LINKS YOU HAVE PROVIDED.

" During this gradual period, however the gradual infiltration by Hawiye Soomaali groups of the hinterland brought about a major transformation of the town, including the abandonment of certain quarters which had existed in medieval times and apparent reduction of its size. by about 1700, the entire political structure of the town was altered with the ascendancy of a new line of Abgaal Yaquub Imams who resided in Shangani but whose powerbase remained in the interior"

" Manifestly, Mogadishu did not collapse. In fact, it experienced significant revival in the second half of the 19th Century which was passed on the steady integration of of Mogadishu with its Hinterland."

Fact is you have got nothing to show for yourself. Its sad how you can do nothing more than just making sorry little denials of the truths. Unfortunately for you, that changes nothing.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="Somaliweyn"]Kids wanting to discuss mature stuff is quite laughable. History demands objectivity and criticism, two characteristics these kids failed at.

Lets discuss Lafoole issue where it belongs: The topic titled: Lafoole 1896: Axad Shiiki.

Lets not derail the topic which was about the flying donkey-cavalery of the Barre loyalists. Ironic indeed, from having a Dictatorship system and acces to all the Soviet weapons of the Somali National Army to ryding on donkeys in fictional battles lool.[/quote]


Somaliweyn, indha adakidaa??

Has the Lafoole Incident not been uncovered as the conniving work of two Arab who used primitive Somali tribes to rise up against the colonial master they were licking after?[/quote]

I have presented the whole facts on my previous posts. You have yet to refute any of my points. Keep living in denial kid. It is the ultimate strategy of all ill-informed people