“I’m not black,” they would say, “I’m Somali

[iandi]

The question is what to westernize blacks have to gain from somalis joining that group.....i would argue nothing....i would argue its more misery being added to a pool already saturated.

What do somalis have to gain from being added to the group? Much more of an argument can be put forward both pro and con.

[TheMightyNomad]

Both ethiopia and the Somali peninsula are not part of north africa. We are east african especifically horn african. This is disgrace. We first changed some our roots and claimed carab and now some of us are changing DIRECTIONS to get more closer to carab countries. waar sida aynu issu dhaano dulli alle idin badye. Black buu ka carayaa Markaasuu MENA wax loogu yeedho uu hada google ku arkay sheeganayaa.

You must be an american with ur lack of Logic about geography! Google northeast africa you will see the horn is apart of that along with Egypt & Sudan! You lack Even the basic geography knowledge if you dont Even comprehend that! Culturally historically we & Geographically we have always been closed to Egypt & Sudan! They are not all 100% arab countries

The middeleast is a political region not a continent! In the iMediate middeleast somalis are not apart of it but in the greater middeleast somalis are apart of it due politics not because of arabs! This has zero to do with arabs!

Go google it you land rover!

[Sophisticate]

iandi, has anyone told you that you love controversy?

You are representing reer madow (the black clan) and asking us if we want entrance? Just so you know, for us you are born into a tribe, rarely does one get adopted.

So, what are the perks of being a member and what are the drawbacks?

You just discovered that Somalis existed yesterday. I'm interested to know what you've learned in your 2-week tenure.

So spill...

[TheMightyNomad]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.

No we are not the same as the berbers in north africa! Today They are mixed people!

Mixed with turks,europeans west africans & arabs! The berbers used to be the same as Afar & Somalis in the past!

[DR-YALAXOOW]

iam proud to be Black African

[TheMightyNomad]

Oh Here comes the filth yalaxoow! U bring shame to ur ancestors you AA wannabe!

[gacankudhiigle]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.

This is misinformation.



As you can see in the diagram, Somalis have less than 1% E1b1b1b DNA as opposed to the actual Berbers in the Maghreb.

The only reason why Berbera was called "the land of the berbers" was because the term "berber" was used to refer to peoples who were considered uncivilized. The Greeks considered everyone who couldn't speak Greek to be uncivilized or unsophisticated. Thus, the similarity between Maghrebis and the ancient people who inhabited Berbera being referred to as "berber" was because of their perceived lack of civilization.

[Sophisticate]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.

This is misinformation.



As you can see in the diagram, Somalis have less than 1% E1b1b1b DNA as opposed to the actual Berbers in the Maghreb.

The only reason why Berbera was called "the land of the berbers" was because the term "berber" was used to refer to peoples who were considered uncivilized. The Greeks considered everyone who couldn't speak Greek to be uncivilized or unsophisticated. Thus, the similarity between Maghrebis and the ancient people who inhabited Berbera being referred to as "berber" was because of their perceived lack of civilization.

Somalis are not Berbers. However, you can't dispute the fact that E1b1 (M-35) is common among Somalis not (M-81).

[CaliQase]

Your map is flowed.

I don't know jack about Genetics, but I don't see how these guys can share a dna.

[gacankudhiigle]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.

This is misinformation.



As you can see in the diagram, Somalis have less than 1% E1b1b1b DNA as opposed to the actual Berbers in the Maghreb.

The only reason why Berbera was called "the land of the berbers" was because the term "berber" was used to refer to peoples who were considered uncivilized. The Greeks considered everyone who couldn't speak Greek to be uncivilized or unsophisticated. Thus, the similarity between Maghrebis and the ancient people who inhabited Berbera being referred to as "berber" was because of their perceived lack of civilization.

Somalis are not Berbers. However, you can't dispute the fact that E1b1 (M-35) is common among Somalis not (M-81).

yes, e1b1 is common around 51% but the haplogroups are different from those in maghreb.

[gacankudhiigle]

Your map is flowed.

I don't know jack about Genetics, but I don't see how these guys can share a dna.

the vast majority of sudanese are culturally arab. it is very possible for omar al bashir and that man to have very similar dna.

[Sophisticate]

yes, e1b1 is common around 51% but the haplogroups are different from those in maghreb.

Obviously. Just don't omit info.

[Siciid85]

Who came up with this term black? I don't think it was African.. My race and ethnic group are Somali. end of story. I have zero in common with AA community except those who are Muslims

[Itrah]

I don't know jack about Genetics, but I don't see how these guys can share a dna.

the vast majority of sudanese are culturally arab. it is very possible for omar al bashir and that man to have very similar dna.

The North Sudanese are Ancient Egyptians (Copts) mixed with Nilotes.

Horners are the same thing (see results of Ethiopians & North Sudanese below):





Source: http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150528/ ... 09996.html

[TheMightyNomad]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.

This is misinformation.



As you can see in the diagram, Somalis have less than 1% E1b1b1b DNA as opposed to the actual Berbers in the Maghreb.

The only reason why Berbera was called "the land of the berbers" was because the term "berber" was used to refer to peoples who were considered uncivilized. The Greeks considered everyone who couldn't speak Greek to be uncivilized or unsophisticated. Thus, the similarity between Maghrebis and the ancient people who inhabited Berbera being referred to as "berber" was because of their perceived lack of civilization.

No! you posted misinformation right now! You showed a diagram which you mad urself an upload on a file site! its a picture with no link to it!

According to GeneticAtlas somalis have the highest frequency of Haplogroup E1b1b1 at 85-90% more so then the berbers in maghreb. Infact the gene itself originated in somalia!
http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b1_Y-DNA.htm



Origins of E1b1b1 is in somalia

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogrou ... -DNA.shtml

East African origins

Haplogroup E1b1b (formerly known as E3b) represents the last major direct migration from Africa into Europe. It is believed to have first appeared in the Horn of Africa approximately 26,000 years ago and dispersed to North Africa and the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods. E1b1b lineages are closely linked to the diffusion of Afroasiatic languages.

The highest genetic diversity of haplogroup E1b1b is observed in Northeast Africa, especially in Ethiopia and Somalia, which also have the monopoly of older and rarer branches like M281, V6 or V92. Ethiopians and Somalians belong mostly to the V22 and V32 (downstream of V12) subclades, but possess also a minority of M81, M123 and V42 subclades. Among the main subclades of E1b1b only V13 and V65 are absent from the Horn of Africa, and probably originated in northern Africa (V65) or the southern Levant (V13).

That is stupid berber is not greek word or term nor did they refer to north africans & somalis as uncivilized lack civilization! Especially since the berbers in north africa themselves invented the alphabet and had more advanced civilization than grece as phoenicians!

Somalia had its own port cities kingdoms & were trading with the greeks ancient egyptians phoenicians!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periplus_ ... hraean_Sea

Ras Hafun in northern Somalia is believed to be the location of the ancient trade center of Opone. Ancient Egyptian, Roman and Persian Gulf pottery has been recovered from the site by an archaeological team from the University of Michigan. Opone is in the thirteenth entry of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, which in part states:
"And then, after sailing four hundred stadia along a promontory, toward which place the current also draws you, there is another market-town called Opone, into which the same things are imported as those already mentioned, and in it the greatest quantity of cinnamon is produced, (the arebo and moto), and slaves of the better sort, which are brought to Egypt in increasing numbers; and a great quantity of tortoiseshell, better than that found elsewhere."
—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Chap.13[10]
In ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea, Azania, the Roman Empire and elsewhere, as it possessed a strategic location along the coastal route from Azania to the Red Sea. Merchants from as far afield as Indonesia and Malaysia passed through Opone, trading spices, silks and other goods, before departing south for Azania or north to Yemen or Egypt on the trade routes that spanned the length of the Indian Ocean's rim. As early as 50 CE, Opone was well known as a center for the cinnamon trade, along with the trading of cloves and other spices, ivory, exotic animal skins and incense.
Malao[edit]
Main article: Malao (ancient)
The ancient port city of Malao, situated in present-day Berbera in northwestern Somalia, is also mentioned in the Periplus:
"After Avalites there is another market-town, better than this, called Malao, distant a sail of about eight hundred stadia. The anchorage is an open roadstead, sheltered by a spit running out from the east. Here the natives are more peaceable. There are imported into this place the things already mentioned, and many tunics, cloaks from Arsinoe, dressed and dyed; drinking-cups, sheets of soft copper in small quantity, iron, and gold and silver coin, not much. There are exported from these places myrrh, a little frankincense, (that known as far-side), the harder cinnamon, duaca, Indian copal and macir, which are imported into Arabia; and slaves, but rarely."
—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Chap.8[10]

The ancient greeks are known btw to adopte term from foreigners and stamp it as theyre own!


berbers in the north are mixed bastards they are no longer like afar & somalis