The Ethiopians and Oromos admit that academically Imam Ahmed Gurey identity is settled as Beesha Karanle

[Moderately2Wise]

I started this topic because I was speaking the other day with an Ethiopian who brought this to my attention and we discussed but he admitted that there is not much to talk about really as it is unanimous.


honestly what is there even to discuss when the Futah al-Habasha itself clearly identifies him without mentioning directly but does indirectly so blatantly and in your face.

Which sort of have made the historians and academical scholars to unanimously settle the claiming dust once and for Good.

Oromo historical books mention him clearly as Karanle, so does the Ethiopian book Negast and the Futah does it as well indirectly and blatantly.

We have heard many claims on his head, from different tribes, and nations even the arabs had there own claims. so lets try to find the truth.

1: Futah Al-Habashi: Quotes from the book will give us a guide

2: AHmed gurey's Cousin and Brother in other source Garad Abun gives us the spoiler and give away.

3: Ahmed gurey's birth place and city hubat (Hoobad)

4: Garad Ibrahim/ connections with the imam..

5: Ancient Oromo beliefs about Ahmed Gurey

6: habasha books and ancient beliefs about Ahmed Gurey

7: the city of hubat and the peoples connection with the Imam..

8: WHO are the balaw tribe

NB: the most important are Garad Abuun and Imam Ahmed gurey's connections and there home city which is dead give away.


in futuh al habasha there was no mention of the imams ethnicty, However there are many referrences of his relatives who are belaw tribe
The imam was born in the city hubat located between zeilac and harar, its ruler was the cheiftain of the belaw
Al futuh says: ''ibrahim bin ahmed ruler of the country of hubat of The tribe of belaw''
this ibrahim ruler of hubat is the imams father
Al futuh says: ''the imam was at that time knight under garaad abun who loved him and saw how courageous he was''

This is what some people told him separating him and Garad Mahfuz of the Walashma, and there only connection is thru marriage. the Imam was married to his daughter bati al wambara

They gathered in Amajah where they stayed three days. It was one of the towns in Abyssinia that had Muslims living in it. But it belonged to the king. Its inhabitants then went to the imam Ahmad and said, "The king of Abyssinia has a mighty force with him; the number of his horses is incalculable. Only the Most High God knows the number of his coats of mail, helmets, foot-soldiers and shields made of hide. Your fathers, your ancestors, the emir `Ali, the emir Mahfuz your father-in-law, along with Garad Ibrahim and the sultans who long ago used to rule in the country of Sa`d ad-Din - not one of them has ever attacked the king of Abyssinia in his own country, in his own dwelling-place

this garaad abun seems his brother WHO have trained him. but the futah says he is his cousin by the name of Garad abun ibn adash of hubat as well. the futah never mentions him as a Brother but cousin..

Ethiopian soldier or A king sends a letter to Ahmed Gurey thru Arab fiqi WHO wrote the book futah and this letter is also used in the futah.. but he never corrects him.

''It was I who long ago killed your brother Garad Abun, son of Garad Ibrahim, who was older than you in years. I routed his army, and did so more than once. Don't imagine that I am like any of the patricians whom you've encountered up till now. I am Wasan Sagad''

Wasan Sagad says his Brother while arab fiqi claim as his cousin.. some one is misinformed they can not both be correct and it will later on show that arab fiqi is correct. sinces he was with the imam.

The futah goes on to praise Garad abun ibn adash and says that he loved Ahmed gurey

''After this Garad Abun came against him, and ruled for seven years. He clung to the truth, and exercised justice and authority in a fair way, banning what was forbidden, killing highwaymen, forbidding wine, games, and dances accompanied by drums. The country flourished. He cultivated the nobles and the Qur'anic teachers, the dervishes and the sheikhs. He ruled over his kingdom and worked for the good of his subjects.

Our lord the imam of the Muslims, Ahmad bin Ibrahim al-Ghazi was at that time a knight under Garad Abun, endowed with intelligence and foresight who consulted, in his youth and his prime, the inspiration of God the Most High in regard to the commission that God willed should be entrusted to him. Garad Abun loved him mightily, when he saw how courageous and astute he was''

ancient oromo beliefs says that Axmed gurey was a Balaw Karanle hawiya babile, and they have that written Down in some books, which are not translated. but they believe he was a balaw.

The tigriyan highlanders also have there claims on him and have some books. that claim he is a balaw, from tigriyans themselves because there is a tigriyan balaw's in the highlands of ethiopia.. and when the Imam captured habasha he had his camp there and his wife was with them in the war times. they were guarding her. he also had a meeting with some balaw tribes during his camp up there.


Now the Question is WHO are this balaw tribe and where do they live? we know that the Garad Ibrahim of hubat was a balaw.

Hubat is located between Harar and babile, and the city is called in af somali ''Hoobad'' and the people you will find today in this city are still the same. they belong to the same tribe as the balaw mentioned up. Balaw is a sub-sub-sub tribe under Karanle sixawle and this tribe still lives in hoobad, and the entire city is mainly karanle sixawle balaw.

the balaw tribes still lives in hoobad and its far Deep into ethiopia out of the somali region. South harar, Babile and funyan bira and in South harar there is a city called after one of the sub Clans of karanle Gidir.. ''Gidir magala''

Based on the 2007 Census conducted by the Central Statistical Agency of Ethiopia (CSA), this woreda has a total population of 77,317, of whom 41,629 are men and 35,688 women. While 1,273 or 1.65% are urban inhabitants, a further 17,533 or 22.68% are pastoralists. 99.29% of the population said they were Muslim. This woreda is inhabited by the Karanle Hawiye clan of the Somali people

The 1994 national census reported a total population for this woreda of 93,527, of whom 48,436 were men and 45,091 were women; the census identified no urban inhabitants. The largest ethnic group reported in Babille was the Somali people 99.97%

Garad abun ibn cadaadshe and Imam Ahmed Gurey's connection, and there home city hoobad + there progeny in hoobad with there correct abtirsi separates.

If you go to Places like babile, South harar and funyan bira and ask for Reer naaji axmed, or reer Max'ed axmed or reer garad abun cadaadshe.. you will find them they are the progeny of Imam Axmed gurey and still alive in Hoobad, babile South harar areas..

[Gubbet]

I started a topic essentially bringing forth a substantive exploration of this twitter activism which on the very basis of the contextual 'body of evidence' naturally dismissed it on the grounds of "non-sequitur" and then stopped myself because;

1.) Non-issue. The activism is not implicated by the presence of naturally 'germane' and/or 'pertinent' intellectual curiosity or inquisition.

2.) Social affirmation issues. There is a very strong group identity implicated emotionality underlying the activism that leaves me sympathetic as well as sensitive.

So on that note, I will simply look beyond 'what' the activism implicates or even 'why' and rather just constructively criticize the 'how' it is facilitated.

The entirety of "how" carrying this program is very simply a logical fallacy called 'confirmation bias.'

These following 4 exhibits should clearly and unambiguously show what I mean by this;



With that said, carry on---Hangool.

[Moderately2Wise]

Lool.. Skinny do you have any evidence for your claims?

The Futah itself throws that at your face hence what more is there to talk about. People need to stop claiming Ahmed Gurey abti in empty discourse.

Based on what? Some orals told by some old man under a tree who is exactly nothing more then below daef chain of narrations and hack they are not even Deaf but below daef which means rejected. No intellectuals or academia will agree with these false claims. I mean everyone, Oromo books, Negesh book, Futah itself, locations and relatives including modern historians in Ethiopia, Somali historians, Jamas Dahl and everyone else unanimously agree..

You have nothing to add..

When you find out all the fuking geeljire orals told to you was fake


This is why nobody should believe or listen to a fuking geeljire he is the most unrelieable source there is do you really think Bukhari and Muslim would have even listed them as Daef but rather under the rejected list

[Gubbet]

The Futuh has seen 100's of Phd thesis explorations, introspection by 'all' of the mainstream academic historians on the subject of Islam in Africa, and countless impartial, international, and even diverse critical examinations---and not a single one (single as in '1') has attributed the Imam's ethnic origins to "Karanle" on the readings of that text.

Before you bring local Ethiopian period pieces of subjective non-mainstream activism---- I bid you a good day.

[Moderately2Wise]

The Futuh has seen 100's of Phd thesis explorations, introspection by 'all' of the mainstream academic historians on the subject of Islam in Africa, and countless impartial, international, and even diverse critical examinations---and not a single one (single as in '1') has attributed the Imam's ethnic origins to "Karanle" on the readings of that text.

I bid you a good day.

Lol every historian who has read has.. That is what you don't understand. James Dahl is one of them and few others somali intellectuals including Ethiopians.

I myself have read the futah..

Here is the funny thing this doesn't even need some detective work it is allover the place inside the Futah itself gives us our answer to a point we can't go wrong.

Nobody will buy geeljire tale's but there is Academia and the man is without discussion Karanle Belaw

[Gubbet]

Carry on.

[OwQariib]

Common Karanle W imo. History is a continuation and my people are recognised for their bravery wherever they are. When the Ottomans made a deal with Afar in Zeila they brought the descendants of those Karanle rulers in Harar and Awssa to lead as judges. They met Richard Burton there in 1856. Not gonna mention any names but there are users in here who have been claiming Axmed Gureys history for well over a decade or two with the funniest "user case stories" fulaan was his commander, fulaan was his nephew, fulaan drank from the same well as him therefore was clan XYZ. His history is way bigger than all of this. I don't think OP is Karanle lakin welcome.

[Moderately2Wise]

Common Karanle W imo. History is a continuation and my people are recognised for their bravery wherever they are. When the Ottomans made a deal with Afar in Zeila they brought the descendants of those Karanle rulers in Harar and Awssa to lead as judges. They met Richard Burton there in 1856. Not gonna mention any names but there are users in here who have been claiming Axmed Gureys history for well over a decade or two with the funniest "user case stories" fulaan was his commander, fulaan was his nephew, fulaan drank from the same well as him therefore was clan XYZ. His history is way bigger than all of this. I don't think OP is Karanle lakin welcome.

This is hubat and the areas surrounding it is mountainous regions and a marvel of it's own

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Cool story bro. No hard evidence, you not Dipset like that

[Moderately2Wise]

Cool story bro. No hard evidence, you not Dipset like that

Without Futah the man would have been only oral. Hence there is Futah Habashi that my friend is what hard evidence is called.

By the way this is not some obsecure random orals by geeljires this is actual historical recordings and several books.. Again not some random invention by a malnourished geeljire under a tree in the middle of nowhere-stan

There is something called encyclopedia

[Moderately2Wise]

I don't think OP is Karanle lakin welcome.

I am not. Thanks for the welcome it is well appreciated

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Cool story bro. No hard evidence, you not Dipset like that

Without Futah the man would have been only oral. Hence there is Futah Habashi that my friend is what hard evidence is called.

By the way this is not some obsecure random orals by geeljires this is actual historical recordings and several books.. Again not some random invention by a malnourished geeljire under a tree in the middle of nowhere-stan

There is something called encyclopedia

Humility. If he said there’s no evidence in any archives. I take his word. To some this book means everything. To me it was a story, that’s all. You got that, you the darkskin. You not African. Alley code, they suits:

[Moderately2Wise]

What are you even on about? Like I said academically so please take the jahilinimo elsewhere.

You don't have anything to add hence stay out of it cause you don't understand even encyclopedia you arent versed in any of this. You are like a fish out of water here

[OwQariib]

OP, walahi this topic still kills me. People like this nigga ReturnOfMariixaan use to go on twitter claiming my peoples history, making tweets "some were born to lead, some were born to follow" with a picture of Gragne iyo Farmaajo, marka runta loo sheegay ayuu sheeko indhasarcaad bilaabay, i guess some were born to be honest, others were born to lie

When you see someone highly critical and attacking Karanle ama taariikh inkiraayo, ogow waxa gubaaya anaka maaha, ee waa faanka fakhdakhda beenta iyo riyo maalmeedka laga hor istaagay ee sida indha la'aanta run u qaateen. Just look at the seven page thread in the similar topics section below, grown ass negros getting emotionally attached to footnote references of clan tales and fantasies. Hal qof oo kitaab la yimaado ma jirto. Not even a Somali written kitaab with their own records. Aduunyadaan aqoon aa lagu baxaa, taqigana waa qofka ugu sareeya, ninka iska hadlaayona iska hadloow ina igarre.

[Moderately2Wise]

OP, walahi this topic still kills me. People like this nigga ReturnOfMariixaan use to go on twitter claiming my peoples history, making tweets "some were born to lead, some were born to follow" with a picture of Gragne iyo Farmaajo, marka runta loo sheegay ayuu sheeko indhasarcaad bilaabay, i guess some were born to be honest, others were born to lie

When you see someone highly critical and attacking Karanle ama taariikh inkiraayo, ogow waxa gubaaya anaka maaha, ee waa faanka fakhdakhda beenta iyo riyo maalmeedka laga hor istaagay ee sida indha la'aanta run u qaateen. Just look at the seven page thread in the similar topics section below, grown ass negros getting emotionally attached to footnote references of clan tales and fantasies. Hal qof oo kitaab la yimaado ma jirto. Not even a Somali written kitaab with their own records. Aduunyadaan aqoon aa lagu baxaa, taqigana waa qofka ugu sareeya, ninka iska hadlaayona iska hadloow ina igarre.

Indeed I have also noticed that in the last few years it has subsided and that is due to academia. I knew a guy who meet the descandants of Garaad Abun Cadeshe in Funyan Bira almost a decade back and he told me about their opinion on all the claims on their forefathers and they reliped he was the hero of all the Somalis and muslims in the area so we are okay with as long as they claim him as their own because he was fighting for all of them under the same flag.. that was quite powerful and noble answer which surprised the guy.

He also meet quite few Reer Naaji Ahmed in Harar and all of their territory is inside proper ethiopia meaning not in Somali region. Majority of them live in Harar. Fun fact Harar was their capital for centuries.

You should go see Harar sometime you may like what you find there it is heaven. Alot of Murusade youths who live in the west do pilgrimage visits to Harar from time to time. It is a holy place for them second mecca not because of only historic value but so many of them live in Harar