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cabdi

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:01 am
i politly asked this question to those who might know the answer. if you don't know the answer please leave it blank.

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common

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:17 am
Allah (swt)is closer to you than your jugular vien, or colerated artergy i think, the translations differ
that close to you, is somewhere pretty close, therefore Allah(swt)..is close to you i think

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asad

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 02:03 pm
Where is GOD, you asked. I do not know; however, i know GOD knows where i'm and where every being (human or otherwise) in this world (or in other places) was/is/will be. ;-).

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mohamed

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:12 pm
allah is at the "CARSH" as the quran said.
where is CARSH located.......i have no idea, mybe next to the milky way galexy.

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reallady2000

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:33 pm
to cabdi,

bro you don't need to know where Allah{swt} is because Allah{swt} is with you every single minute. for me Allah is with me every time and every thing i do, i do it in the name of Allah{swt}.

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Anonymous

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 06:46 am
There is difference between god and God.
But if you mean God(Allah) and you want to know where He is, you must learn how to worship Him and that is the way which leads you to know where He is. This is for believers.
For non-believers, take this easy question, where is the Earth(world)?

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Hakima

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:40 am
mohamed,

Al-caarsh....it is above the 7 skies

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Sweetgirl

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:26 pm
ar-rahmanu 'alal 'arshis-stawaa

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Sweetgirl

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:28 pm
astughfurillah Muhammed what are you saying man

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Unknown

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 02:25 pm
Asalaamu Caleykum

"FAS ALUU AHLA DIKRI IN KUNTUM LAA TACLAMUUN." Allah has ordered us to ask those with the knowledge and Muslim scholars said the only way to learn Islam is to question the ULU'MAA. Upon reading the above mentioned question, this shows how you and I don't know the basics of Islam, the religion that we are claiming to belong. You see how much effort we put into the dunya and how we are struggling to earn wealth but did not paid much attention to the religion. This also tells us that the end of the world (Qiyaami-Saacah) is so near and lacking the knowledge of the religion was one of its signs. I encourage my soul and yours too, to seek the deen of Allah and put our trust upon Allah as he has promised us to feed us as long as we are obeying servents. Can you image the SALAFU SAALIX used to travel months to just get some knowledge.

And finally, the answer is, Allah is in his ARSH, throne, (I don't know if this word can fit the meaning of the CARSH) above the seventh heavens, and the ULU'MAA said, Allah is with everyone with his knowledge and seeing and hearing you every where. This is one of the basics of the TAWXIID, one should learn the existance of Allah in order for him to fully understand the elements that are related to such topic.

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cabdi

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 11:43 am
waite, i still didn't get the answer... you guys are confusing me, some you saying ALLAH is in my veins and closer to me than anything, and some of you saying he is in the ARSH, the top of the seven heavens or" seven skies". which i don't know where they are located. does that mean the top of the seven atmosphears of the earth or somewhere else.

im sorry, but still im cirious and i didn't get the answer, so mybe one person who knows the quraan very well can answer this. so please you guys stop jumping in and throughing stupid answers, cuz im a dead serious.

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asad

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 12:48 pm
"you guys are confusing me, some you saying ALLAH is in my veins and closer to me than anything, and some of you saying he is in the ARSH, the top of the seven heavens or" seven skies""


if some said Allah is this place and others said He is that place, can He not be wherever they said He is? ;-)


"the ARSH, the top of the seven heavens or" seven skies". which i don't know where they are located."

but are you saying God can not be there if you do not know? ;-)


"im sorry, but still im cirious and i didn't get the answer"

they told you that God could be any place He wants. don't you believe He knows wherever you are?

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abu dujaana

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:06 pm
salaamu caleykum
walaalayaal waad mahadsantihiin , laakiin waxaa haboon in aan su'aalaha diiniga qof walbaa sida uu u maleeyo ugu jawaabin ee ay u baahantahay cilmi & hubsiimo oo waxaa qatar ah in aad tiraahdo hadal aadan cilmigiisa lahayn. maxaa yeelay hadii laydin weydiiyo cudurkaas daawadee loo qaataa ? mid walbaa waxuu leeyahay dr. caafimaad u tag !!!!! diintana dr. waa culumada ee ogaada ( fas'aluu ahlul digri inkuntum laa taclamuun ) weydiiya kuwa cilmiga leh hadaydan aqoon . jawaabta su'aasha waatan waxaan ka bilaabaynaa who is allah? oo ku qoran english


Who is Allah?
Allah is the proper name applied to the true God who exists necessarily by Himself comprising all the excellent Divine names and attributes of perfection. Allah is One and Unique. He has no son, no partner, nor equal. He is the sole Creator and Sustainer of the universe. Every creature bears witness to His Oneness, Divinity, and Ruboobiyyah[1], and to the uniqueness of His attributes and names.
His essence does not resemble the essences. He does not inhere in anything, nor does anything inhere in Him. "There is none like unto Him." He is the One, the Sole, the Indivisible. He is the Rubb[2] who accomplishes all affairs, Allah is the Omnipotent and the Omniscient.
His knowledge comprehends in perfect manner all things, hidden or manifest. He is greater than can be encompassed by the knowledge of His creatures. He knows everything, and He is aware of all that takes place in the earth and the heavens. Allah, the Supreme, is the Rubb of everything and has a free hand in disposal of all affairs.
His mercy encompasses everything. He is far removed from injustice or tyranny. He is wise in all His actions, just in all His decrees. His justice ensures order in the universe in which nothing is out of order.
There is no one to share His dominion, nor does He take an aide or supporter from His creatures. He is nearer to man than man's own jugular vein[3]. Whenever a believer is in need or distress calls on Him, He responds.
Allah has revealed His final Scripture, the Qur'an, to that last of His Messengers, Muhammed (SAW) who was responsible for conveying the Message of Islam to mankind. He is the Exalted Allah. Glory is due to Him.

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abu dujaana

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:09 pm
salaamu alikum
to: cabdi

Where is Allah?
Allah, the Exalted, has described Himself in His Book, and by the tongue of His Messenger (SAW) as Sublime, Supreme, and Lofty. The Qur'an is full of proofs relevant to the Loftiness of Allah.
Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah believe in and confirm all of the attributes of Allah without distorting their meaning, and that Allah is above His seven heavens, above His 'Arsh, and separated from His creatures, and His creatures are separated from Him.
This discourse will provide the Scriptural proofs of the Loftiness of Allah is an indivisible part of the inherent faculty of knowing Allah with which Allah has created mankind. Although the aqeedah of Loftiness of Allah is part of man's innate knowledge and cannot be subjected to hypothetical of philosophical argumentation, there are some deviated sects who follow their whims and deny this intuitive and self-evident fact. For this reason, they have twisted Scriptural proofs and distorted them, and manipulated the texts to conform with their deviant argument.
All of the divine attributes are intrinsically related to the attribute of divine Loftiness. Therefore, accepting or rejecting them must be based on accepting or rejecting the Loftiness of Allah. Whoever believes that Allah is above His 'Arsh[4] and separated from His creatures, also believes in the rest of the attributes of Allah, and believes as well that the heaves and the earth submit to His will, and that He is the Great Rubb of the worlds. Allah does whatever He wills and rules according to His Own wishes. Glory be to Him.
Denial of the divine Loftiness is one of the basic doctrinal heresy promoted by the Jahmites[5] and their off-shoots of today in order to confuse the Muslims' minds. Denying this divine attribute also leads by necessity to the denial of the attribute of the istiwaa of Allah above His Arsh. There is no doubt that the denial of the attributes of Allah clashes with the clear Qur'anic verses in which the unique essential attributes and beautiful names of Allah confirmed. These attributes must be affirmed as identical with Allah.
The essential divine attributes of Allah constitute an integral part of His essence and are not superadded to it. They are accepted literally by Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama'h without questioning the 'how' of these attributes. To deny them is clear unbelief and heresy.
It is for this reason this discourse has been prepared to deal with the creed of Loftiness of Allah, or the question, 'Where is Allah?' with the Scriptural evidences from the Qur'an and the authentic prophetic traditions, as well as the traditions of those early Muslims, the pious predecessors .

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abu dujaana

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:19 pm
asalamu alaikum
to: cabdi

The Qur'anic Proofs
Allah, the Exalted, commands the believers to refer their disputes and differences to His Book and the Sunnah of His Messenger (SAW)saying:

"And when you differ in anything among
yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day."[6]

Therefore, the words of Allah, the Exalted, as well as the words of His Messenger (SAW) must be held as the ultimate and decisive judgment. No judgment or decision should take precedence over theirs whether in issues related to the divine attributes, or any other religious issue.
By their emphasis on reason in establishing religious truth, the rationalists, the modernists, and the Jahmites assert the preeminence of reason over the divine revelations. Whereas the Loftiness of Allah which is clearly enunciated in the Qur'an and the Sunnah, is beyond the reach of reason.
The true believers, contrary to the rationalists, believe that the 'Arsh of Allah is above the seven heavens. They also believe that having created the seven heavens and the earth and what is in them, Allah, the Exalted, has mounted His great 'Arsh.

Allah says: "Declare your Rubb, the Supreme, to be far removed from every imperfection or impurity."[7]

The "Supreme", linguistically, is in the superlative signifying that Allah is higher than everything and is above all things in essence, power, and invincibility. Commenting on this verse,

Ibnul-Qayyim, may Allah grant him His mercy, said: All Muslims in the past and in the present, when supplicating Allah or imploring His help, they always raise their hands with palms towards the heaven. They do not lower their hands with palms towards the earth, nor do they turn them right or left, nor towards any other direction.

They raise their hands up, knowing that Allah is above them. The Muslims also say in prayer while prostrating,

"I declare my Rubb, the Supreme, to be far removed from every imperfection or impurity."[8]

If Allah is everywhere, as the deviated sects allege, why then the above verse does not read, 'Declare your Rubb, (around you), (below you), or (everywhere)?'

Allah says:"They fear their Rubb above them."[9]

This verse refers to the angels who are above us, and above them is our Rubb, the Blessed, the Exalted. Lest anyone be confused, Allah confirms in this verse that He is above the angels who are the residents of the heavens:

"The Compassionate has mounted the 'Arsh.[10]
And:

"And verily, your Rubb is Allah who created the heaven and earth in six days, and then mounted the 'Arsh.[11]

Allah also says:"Are you sure that He Who is Above the heaven will not cleave the earth beneath you? Or are you sure that He Who is above the heaven will not send against you a stone-charged hurricane."[12]

The renowned exegetes and commentators are agreed that the One Who is above the heaven is none but Allah Who has mounted His Arsh and is above it in the manner which suits His Majesty.
Those who believe that Allah is everywhere base their argument on verses such as:

"And He is Ilaah in the Heavens and He is Ilaah on the Earth!"
The term, 'Ilaah' is classical Arabic means, 'the worshipped'; thus the meaning of the above verse is,

"It is He Who is worshipped in the heaven and worshipped on the earth".

It would have been redundant were the verse to speak about the existence of Allah in the heaven and on the earth, for the term Illah' is an adjective of Allah, while the pronouns, 'He' in the verse is used in lieu of the name 'Allah', therefor, when the name 'Allah' replaces the pronoun 'He', we get the proper meaning of the verse: 'And it is Allah Who is worshipped in the heaven and on the earth'. But according to the deviated sect who consider the term, 'Ilaah' as 'Allah', we get the redundant meaning, 'And Allah is Allah in the heaven and Allah is on the earth,' a sentence which is grammatically, linguistically and logically incorrect.
Qatadah, a renowned exegete, interpreted this verse as: 'He is worshipped in the heaven and on the earth'.

Imam al-Aajurri said: 'al-Ilaah, is the worshipped. He is worshipped in the heaven as He is worshipped on the earth'.


[1] Ruboobiyyah, inf. of Rubb
[2] Some translate the term 'Rubb' into 'Lord', the meaning of 'Rubb' is far more comprehensive than to be restricted to a single word such as 'Lord'. Rubb, means, among other things, the Creator, the Sustainer, the Provider, and the One in whose hands is the disposal of all affairs.
[3] Q 50:16
[4] Arsh, the Throne of Allah.
[5] Jahmites are the followers of Jahm bin Safan (d. 128-745), a radical heretic. Among other things, they deny that Allah, the Exalted, is above His Arsh, and they allege that He is everywhere.
[6] Q 4:59
[7] Q 87:1
[8] Q 87:1
[9] Q 16:50
[10] Q 20:2
[11] Q 7:54
[12] Q 67:17.18

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formerguest.

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:54 pm
Abdi.

Allah as a being exalted is above all creations. Allah is with us with his sight, knowledge, and hearing but at the same time above all creations. That is the correct answer based on the Quran and ahadith. You can check the Quran in all these verses: 10.3, 11.7, 25.59, 32.4, 57.4. Those verses will all tell you the answer to your question.

"32.5 He directs the affairs from the heavens to the earth": then it ascends unto Him..."

You see that the verse is telling us that Allah directs affairs from heavens to earth. Then all deeds go upto him. I guess that is clear. Also another verse says:

"70.4 The angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:"

The angels ascend to him is the point I wanted you see. They go upto ALLAH. Also, when ALLAH was speaking to prophet JESUS:

"3.55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take YOU and raise YOU to Myself and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme"

I guess that is more clear.

Haddaad afsoomaali taqaan. Ilaahey wuu innaga sarreeyaa subxanah, carshigiisa ayuu ka sarreeya, wuuna nala joogaa oo maqalka, cilmiga iyo araggiisa ayuu nagula joogaa sida aayad kale ku cad. Wixii intaa ka baxsan waa caqiido qaldan ee ogoow oo ka timid greek philosophy iyo christianka oo aamminsan ilaahey inuu wax walba ku dhex jiro. Walcyaadu billaah. Arrintaan waa khatar ee iska ilaali. It is no kidding.

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Hakima

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 08:11 pm
formerguest,

And whats wrong with Greek Philosophy? Are you referring to their belief in multi-gods or something else?

peace...

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BlackBeauty

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 11:38 pm
Allah is in my heart & soul. Every waking moment U need to thank Allah for everything ....from the air U breathe to the food U eat......and for the health that has been offered to U in abunndance. When U think U are not recieveing any HELP from ALLAH.....remember there is always someone worse off than U R......Just pray and U shall get

COMMON
I bet U R a Biology Student...U got all scientific on us there.....I like that (funny)

PEACE
X-Trouble

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common

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 01:22 am
Black Beauty.
asalaam aleiukm
Hey sister. Whats up.. nah biology ain't my thing, anything beyond osmosis and my brains startes pleading the 5th
<smile>.. although i do like the way i can fake it and appear to know things when i am pretty clueless.lol.. i will have to keep that unislamic side of me in check
wasalaam

ps: On greek phiooshy..one of the conversations talks about what one of the gods gave to man..he said "i gave him fire"..and what else it was asked "and i gave him hope"..then they started getting upset, casue hope could make man defeat the gods. Hope.. ain't it grand.

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common

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 01:23 am
cabdi

sorry for messing with your page, i undertsand you are dead serious but you have issues, with being polite anyways
peace

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Macruuf--Waryaa--Ayuuto

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 02:05 pm
Salama...

Cabdi:

If you question is sincere:

Allah--s.w.c.--is above the Carsh!!

That is IT!

And...

If you want to know or imagine or visionize, your perception and conception is limited that cannot grasp what Allah--s.w.c.--wills not.

Refer it to the Qur'an.

For one Ayat:

"Say: Who is the Lord of the seven heavens, and the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme?"--23:86

If you want to know that Carsh {Throne}, again you have a limited power to perceive that, my friend--Only Allah--s.w.c.--knows best; we cannot, again, comprehend because of our finite knowledge--it is very limited.

Allahu Aclam.

__________________________________________________
Mahad Alla!!

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fatimah

Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 06:09 am
Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters,
inshallaah i hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health. I’m sure that you are all aware of the fact that inshallaah the holy month of Ramadan is coming up, a chance for us to worship Allaah (swt) and give up our wrong ways. As Muslim brothers and sisters we should spend every day as if it’s our last. Inshallaah I will try to put my knowledge to use so that it can help non-practising Muslims in this case Somalis. If anyone feels that they need to know anything inshallaah relating to Islam, feel free to ask me. At the moment I’m working on a website with some brothers from Kuwait so inshallaah I’ll give people the website address as soon as it is finish. In the mean time I’ll leave the address for a very beneficial website. It’s very authentic and got the go ahead from the best of the scholars. It contains everything from basics to higher depth of knowledge. As a Muslim sister I advice you all to check it out because there many Islamic websites that can misguide you. many Muslims today don’t look back to the Qur’aan and Sunnah of our beloved prophet(saw) or the might just use the qur’aan not knowing that the sunnah is also a revelation from Allah (swt). I advice you dear brothers and sisters to be careful from who you take your knowledge from when it comes to Islam. Know that people would quote an Ayat of Qur’aan, give their own understanding. Reject authentic Hadith not knowing the sight behind that Hadith. Will act and accept weak Hadith and because of a particular way that we’re following we say that this Hadith is Seheeh (meaning authentic). The reason why I give people this advice is that there would still or always be individuals amongst the community still rejecting and refuting without evidence. When you quote an Ayat of Qur’aan understand the meaning and tafseer of this Qur’aan from the people of knowledge. When you read a Hadith know it to be authentic from the people of Hadith not from yourself. Know that Islam is not what your father, friends or country says but islam is the Qur’aan and Sunnah. As Muslim brothers and sisters we should not be affected by the kufr society but be the ones that affect that society. Know that a person who grows up practising Islam from a young age will enter paradise. I really hope that you take this honest advice from me inshallaah. Remember that this day could be a witness for you or witness against you on the day of judgement. The address of the website is as follows:
www.salafipublications.com
inshallaah I surely hope that you enjoy looking though this website, it has many excellent features which you would benefit from. It also has other authentic websites linked to it. By the way sorry that I changed the subject I know it was getting really interesting.

Till next time take care, inshallaah.
Sister fatimah.
Wasalam.

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fatimah

Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 06:19 am
Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters,
inshallaah i hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health. well brother i would be more than happy to answer your question. every muslim should know because it is in Tawheed which is the foundation that islam is built on. when you say where is Allah(swt)? Allah is above the heavens and above his throne. but how ever some people would say Allah(swt) is evrywhere which is wrong and in fact could be a dangerous thing to say because in the Qur'aan Allah himself says where he is. Allah could not be everywhere because that would mean, is allah in the toilet. allah's knowledge is everywhere.
Till next time take care, inshallaah.
Sister fatimah.
Wasalam.

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Arawelo

Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 08:01 am
salaams to all

I do know not time to explain all what are in my mind but just I would like to suggest that questions like this should not appear on this page . Anyone who sinserily want ask a question in English there are many other websides where your question will be answered by an scholar.

I think brothers and sisters should realise by now the reasons behind this Towhid questions.

Wasalam

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fatimah

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 03:47 am
Assalam alaikum dear brothers and sisters,
Inshallaah I hope and pray that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health.
I’ve already left an answer to the brother’s question but I was in a bit of a rush so I didn’t use any evidence at the time. Inshallaah I answered your question again this time with proof so that people don’t get confused.
Mu’awaiyah bin al-hakam as-salmi(ra) said: I have a salve girl who used to herd sheep for me. One day I discovered that a wolf had killed one of her sheep, and I’m a man from the children of Adam, I get upset like they get upset, and slapped her in the face. Then I when to the prophet (saw) who impressed upon me the seriousness of my act. I said, “o messenger of Allah, should I not set her free?” he said, “bring her to me.” He asked her, “where is Allah?” she said “he is above the heavens.” He said who am I? She said, “You are the messenger of Allah.” He said, “Free her, for she is a believer.”
(Muslim and Adu Dawud)

The companions of the prophet used to refer to him their problems, even a small one, to know what is the law of allah regarding it.
All issues for judgem3ent should be referred to allah and his messenger, acting upon the statement of allah(swt).
The prophet (saw) reproached the companion for slapping the slave girl and considered it a serious matter.
The necessity of asking about tawheed and part of its belief that Allah is above his throne, and knowledge of that is mandatory.
The legitimacy of asking “where is Allah?” in fact it is sunnah, since the prophet(saw) asked it.
The legitimacy of replying that Allah is above the heavens, since the prophet(saw) affirmed the reply of the slave girl and it also goes along with the statement of Allah in the Qur’aan;
“ Do you feel secure that he, who is over the heavens (Allah), will not cause the earth to sink with you?”
the belief that Allah is above the heavens is an indicator of the soundness of one’s belief, and remember brothers and siters who are confused that is mandatory on every believer. The truth is that allah is with us by his knowledge not by himself like some people say these days.
fatimah

wasalam

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brother in islam

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 04:57 am
salaaaaamu alaykumbrother cabdi this kind of question take is shirk so shirk is the worst thing what iwant to know to forgot about this silly question go and have at th e quranand obey the commandment of allah and follow the sunna of rasulsallahu alayhi wasallam then u will be successfulin this world and in the hereafter and dont be like banu israel because this kind of take u to the astray then u gonna be i loss not in here only in the here after

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brother in islam

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 05:00 am
salaaaaamu alaykumbrother cabdi this kind of question take is shirk so shirk is the worst thing what iwant u to know to forgot about this silly question go and have a read the koran and obey the commandment of allah and follow the sunna of rasulsallahu alayhi wasallam then u will be successful in this world and in the hereafter and dont be like banu israel because this kind of question take u to the shirk then u gonna be i loss not in here only in the here after

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fatimah

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 05:55 am
Assalam alaikum dear brothers and sisters,
Inshallaah I hope and pray that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health.
as you know brothers and sisters i've already gave you the evidence to your question, well to the brother's question so please leave the matter at where it is and mostly don't take guesses where allah(swt)is. the answer to the question is simple and understandable. if you don't believe it ask the brothers from salafi who can get in touch with the scholars.
website is: www.salafipublications.com
wasalam.

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