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     | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 05:56 am DEAR PEOPLE, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS A SIMPLE QUESTION AND DO NOT APPRECIATE SWEARING AND BEING CALLED 'KAFUR'. SINCE MY TIME IN EUROPE I HAVE OFTEN BEEN TOLD THAT ISLAM DOESN'T PROMOTE LOVE. THE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY IT ATTRACTS IS NOT A HELP EITHER. BUT I RECENTLY CAME TO NOTICE THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY TO YOU, 'DO THAT AND YOU'LL GO TO HELL' INSTEAD OF 'DO THIS AND YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN'. OUT OF ALL THE BOOKS IN THE ISLAMIC CENTRE I RECENTLY VISITED THERE WAS NOT ONE WHICH WAS ABOUT SURA'S IN THE KORAN THAT SHOW GOD LOVES HIS SERVENTS. SO HOW COME THAT CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE ABOUT LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE?? A PERFECT EXAPLE IS THEIR COMMON PRAYER. I AM NOT REDICULING MY RELIGION BUT WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A FEW ENCOURAGING WORDS FROM THE KORAN. IF YOU KNOW ANY LET ME KNOW. I AM NOT CLAIMING TO HAVE READ THE WHOLE KORAN.
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 06:18 am Dear Lost soul Please forgive me for the mistakes i may make, anything that i say which is bad comes from me and anything that is good comes from Allah (swt). Inshallah someone who has studied the Quran will be able to come and show you encoraging words from the Quran, i will say what i can on the topic. Okay for example you mention that Christianty talks about love a lot.. and you wonder if Islam does also. Firstly yes it does. But to answer your question fully i will need to speak of Judaism too. I head on a lecture by Sheikh Hamza Yusef that one difference between Islam, Christainty and Judiasm, is that Judiasm concentrates on the mind, Christainty on the heart..and Islam sees a need for both of them. Ie they cannot be seperated. A muslims intellect as i have said on this site before is therefore one who sees with both his heart and mind.. you have to have the two connected, in order to gain a understanding. For example in Christianity.. the new testiment is very lovely dovey..howvever the Old testiment is not so lovey doevy..and is quite hardcore. Christians today..will say..that they basically tend to ignore the old testiment. I have Christain friend..and he is quite straightforward about it.. it is a little "crazy" he says so they just ignore it. They concentrate on the "love" part.. the vailidty of mathew ,mark, luke and john testiment..is sa whole nother ball game. Jesus (pbuh)..wasn't as meek as they make out, he got angry and overturned a table etc. He was mansallah i imagine a very paitent person, but he was alhumdullilah only a person. I agree you are right..some times mulsims concentrate on the things you shouldn't do..insted of the things you should do. But try and understand their inetentions, they are fearful for you. The Quran..is a blessing to mankind, it is said repeably that Allahs mercy is all encompassing. If we did not sin Allah would replace us with a people who did sin, so that Allah could forgive us. Thats love man!, when a human repents to Allah, it is like you finding a camel you had lost in the dessert and finding it loaded with presents. Us Muslims nowadays are not the greatest at explaining the Quran, but they are some great Scholars out there who will fill your heart with wonder as they exaplin the Quran to you..manshallah it is beautiful..it makes you want to cry when you find out how blessed we are. Don't get me wrong.. go and find out more about Christinaity too.. but just be aware. If i do something wrong.. my friend is like "its okay, your weak" tehre is this idea of orginal sin...in which jesus died for my sins..and i am weak..so it doesn't really matter what i do..i will be accepted. However Christians at the time of Jesus were not like that, they did not drink, or eat pork.. in fcat they were muslims. A true muslim is a true christian..and many parts of the bible have truth in them such as the Psalms.. a true muslim is also a true Christain..if you want to know why Christianty is so accepting..it is becasue it doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus, it just has faith in him.It kind of makes up its own rules, which are easy and changable..therefore it apears to be all about love..but what is the point? if none of it is true. wasalaam my brother
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 06:34 am "I AM NOT CLAIMING TO HAVE READ THE WHOLE KORAN" maybe that is what your LOST SOUL needs to do. ;-)
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 06:51 am "SO HOW COME THAT CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE ABOUT LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE??" lol------?always seems to be about love and acceptance. ;-). what christianity are you talking about? ;-) "A PERFECT EXAPLE IS THEIR COMMON PRAYER." let's see it, since you know it and read it so we can compare it to the prayers in islam. then, we will see the differences, okay? ;-) "I AM NOT REDICULING MY RELIGION" but the joke is on you for not reading the Qur'an. ;-) "BUT WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A FEW ENCOURAGING WORDS FROM THE KORAN." every where you read the Qur'an; every verse (except one verse) you will see: IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL. if you read the Qur'an, you will find that Allah is the possessor of the utmost degree of mercy and love and compassion. the word rahman is only expresseive of Allah's love to human being, and not of human love to human, or to Allah. in christianity which you said is you read, in contrast with islam, their formula of introductory is "in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost". compare that to IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL. ;-) "IF YOU KNOW ANY LET ME KNOW." i just did. ;-)
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 12:29 pm "I agree you are right..some times mulsims concentrate on the things you shouldn't do..insted of the things you should do. But try and understand their inetentions, they are fearful for you." anonymous (or common), muslims are not fearful of him or her. ;-). maybe you heard muslims are fearful from your sheikh samza yusef, but that is not true. ;-) "A true muslim is a true christian..and many parts of the bible have truth in them such as the Psalms.. a true muslim is also a true Christain" anonymous (or common), if a true muslim is a true christian, then a true christian is true jew, right? wrong. ;-) moses and jesus were muslims and they preached islam. there was no such thing as the term 'christian' during jesus's time. ;-)
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:04 pm ASAD FIRST OF ALL WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP QUOTING ME, SECON, I NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE READ ALL OF THE KORAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T READ IT. IASKED A SIMPLE Q, YOU SEEM TO BE PISSED OFF, WHY?
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:06 pm ANON THANKS
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:14 pm lost soul: he wasn't pissed off but u didn't understand him. Just read them carefully.
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 05:30 pm "ASAD FIRST OF ALL WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP QUOTING ME" i will not. . ;-) "SECON, I NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE READ ALL OF THE KORAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T READ IT" so what? i still think-----maybe that is what your LOST SOUL needs to do. ;-) "IASKED A SIMPLE Q," and i gave you simple answers. ;-) "YOU SEEM TO BE PISSED OFF, WHY?" i think it is the other way around. ;-)
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 07:40 pm Did you read the begining of every surah, may be you read it but because of language barriers, you didn't get it. "BISMILAAHI RAXMAANI RAXIIM" Try to understand the ful meaning of that one, then you can recall the love of allah to his servants. More than 114 places in the quran has Allah mentioned love and mercy but you've just missed them or may be lack of knowledge.
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 11:59 pm Lost soul. QURAN HAS LOVE ATTACHED TO RESPONSIBILTY. UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY'S BOGUS LOVE, YOU HAVE TO EARN THE LOVE OF ALLAH THE SAME WAY YOU EARN THE LOVE OF EVERYONE else. JESUS LOVES YOU won't save anybody if you are A POLYTHEIST, THIEF, MURDERER etc.. etc. Let me Quote first what I can from the Quran. I can't quote them all for lack of my ability. Here it goes. LOVE WITH RESPONSIBILITY. Al-Quran: < 2:222 For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly; and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. > <3.76 Nay, - Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily Allah loves those who act aright. > <3.134 Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;- > <3.146 And Allah Loves those who are firm and steadfast. > <3.159 It is part of the Mercy of Allah that you do deal gently with them. Were you severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him). > <28.77 "But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget your portion in this world: but do you good, as Allah has been good to you, and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief." > <49:9 but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just). >. Both love and punishment in the QURAN ARE EARNED. You have to earn what you want. ISLAM DOESN'T BABYSIT PEOPLE AND CATER TO THEIR NEEDS WHILE THEY CHOOSE IGNORANCE OVER EDUCATION, FOOLISHNESS OVER INTELLECT, MULTIPLE GODS OVER THE ONENESS OF ALLAH , INJUSTICE OVER JUSTICE, PRAYER OVER NONPRAYER, HYPOCRICY OVER HONESTY AND PIETY and that is what is wrong with anybody who doesn't see LOVE IN ISLAM. You said I like their prayer, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY PRAY TO JESUS INSTEAD OF ALLAH?. May allah help you, you are in need of his help.
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| | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:03 am Lost soul. QURAN HAS LOVE ATTACHED TO RESPONSIBILTY. UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY'S BOGUS LOVE, YOU HAVE TO EARN THE LOVE OF ALLAH THE SAME WAY YOU EARN THE LOVE OF EVERYONE else. JESUS LOVES YOU won't save anybody if you are A POLYTHEIST, THIEF, MURDERER etc.. etc. Let me Quote first what I can from the Quran. I can't quote them all for lack of my ability. Here it goes. LOVE WITH RESPONSIBILITY. Al-Quran: < 2:222 For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly; and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. > <3.76 Nay, - Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily Allah loves those who act aright. > <3.134 Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;- > <3.146 And Allah Loves those who are firm and steadfast. > <3.159 It is part of the Mercy of Allah that you do deal gently with them. Were you severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him). > <28.77 "But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget your portion in this world: but do you good, as Allah has been good to you, and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief." > <49:9 but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just). >. Both love and punishment in the QURAN ARE EARNED. You have to earn what you want. ISLAM DOESN'T BABYSIT PEOPLE AND CATER TO THEIR NEEDS WHILE THEY CHOOSE IGNORANCE OVER EDUCATION, FOOLISHNESS OVER INTELLECT, MULTIPLE GODS OVER THE ONENESS OF ALLAH , INJUSTICE OVER JUSTICE, NONPRAYER OVER PRAYER , HYPOCRICY OVER HONESTY AND PIETY and that is what is wrong with anybody who doesn't see LOVE IN ISLAM. You said I like their prayer, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY PRAY TO JESUS INSTEAD OF ALLAH?. May allah help you, you are in need of his help.
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| | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 01:05 am To Lost soul and others who think that islam doesn't promote love I'm a sister, and from my experience i would disagree with your opinions ..... coz i do and i'm 100% sure that islam do promote love deeply then you think......
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| | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:06 pm FORMERGUEST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT WAS ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR.
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 04:29 am LOST SOUL. I am glad you saw something in that message. I thought I was a bit harsh so to speak and want to apologize if you sensed any roughness on my part. If you call yourself "lost soul" for a sin you committed, you have to know that Allah forgives those who repent and ask for forgiveness. And in return, those who are forgiven shall not continue or committ the sins from which they repented, or wait untill death comes to them so THAT they have no chance of repenting: Al-Quran: "4.17. Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom." "4.18. Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous." "4.146 Except for those who repent, mend (their lives) hold fast to Allah, and make their religious devotion sincere to Allah: if so they will be (numbered) with the believers. And soon will Allah grant to the believers a reward of immense value." "7.153 But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly) believe,- verily your Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." "20.82 "But, without doubt, I am (also) He that forgives again and again, to those who repent, believe, and do right, who,- in fine, are on true guidance."
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 04:40 am LOST SOUL. I also give you this link where you can read the subject of repentance, love of allah, and a lot more that can help you understand a little bit better. It is from the book called "saxix muslim" which contains the most authenticated hadiths of the prophet scw. I also advice you to go where you can learn islam like a mosque or a madarassa close to you. It is important if you want to be safe from the tricks of SATAN and his FALSE ADVICES TO YOU. AND STAY AWAY FROM THE CHRISTIAN MISSIONAIRES. http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/035_smt.html
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:26 am Xukunka Islaamka muxuu ka qabaa qofkii diinta ku tuhma nusqaan shakina ka galo islaamka iyo sharcigiisa? Hadaadan cilmi u laheyn ha ku dagdagin.
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:29 am YOU KNOW GUYS, IT IS ANOTHER WAY OF PERFORMANCE TO GAVE AWAY AUTHENTIC WEBSITES. AMI RIGHT HERE EX- DRAMA STUDE
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 11:22 am Anonymous(Ex Drama). I appreciate your concern but keep in mind that suspecting others won't do much for your situation. You need to get educated in islamic matters so that you understand what is right and what is wrong. Also the prophet scw said: "And if somebody curses a believer(throws LACNA), then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him." Check Bukhari Kitabul-Adab if you know which I doubt you know it at all. I am telling you this advice as a brother take it or leave it. Don't commit too many murders if you care about yourself. Allah knows what is in the hearts of his servants. You are not responsible for that. Take care of your poor little soul first.
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 11:43 am Formerguess Br, I believe many of us, can guess when a person honest about some thing...and I believe that you are honest about Islam.... Br, am not good when it cames to Islam....but I am traying to learn Islam infact am started Learing Islam recently... I do want study Islam in every posibble way , Insha,allh!.. So, what I was traying to do here was showing...out br in Islam.. his mistakes I never mean to Acuze him about not being a Muslim........but I guess he is the one who enjoing being acuzed... I don,t really like acuzing any one of not being MUSLIM.....as I know that only Allah (swt) knows the best........but when I see some one who making a fun about Islam......I do tray to defend Islam......and only allah (swt) knows my reasons, cuz I love Islam so musch.......and I do believe it is best Religion and the only religion on this earth and Akhira. Peace
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 11:51 am "So, what I was traying to do here was showing...out br in Islam.. his mistakes I never mean to Acuze him about not being a Muslim........but I guess he is the one who enjoing being acuzed..." anonymous, it is okay to point out what you think are of my mistakes, but making mistakes do not not make me a non-muslim. if you think (and acuuse me) this will make me a non-muslim, then i'll laugh at you. ;-) "but when I see some one who making a fun about Islam" lol
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 02:29 pm Anonymous2. I agree with you that people can guess from what others write. Yet there is a limit we can't take people out of. The limit is islam. No matter how much someone disagrees with you or doesn't answer your questions, you can't take him out of islam. As long as someone is declaring islam or not declaring disbelieve we have to respect him and treat him as one of the muslims. Furthermore, THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO LEARN ISLAM FROM. YOU HAVE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHOSE AIM IS NOT PURE. I don't blame people who suspect because that kind of awareness is good for them and will save them ultimately from accepting everything siad as true and to the book. And finally, I would like to thank you for thinking of me as an honest person to his islam. I try my best for I know I have a long way to go. I am not also a sheikh. I AM STUDENT AND STILL TAKE LESSONS FROM FRIENDS AT WORK. Education is the key to your survival.
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| | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 08:08 am To Br Formerguest, Shuran my brother that is a really good advice from a brother. and Insha Allah I will take that on board. I know Al- bukhari and Msahiih muslim, I have been studying them for the last 3 years but I am still hungry. Beleive I do not suspect the poeple easliy but there are s.th which do not need any expearience. it was too obvious. I think I kept quiet for a while, and especially when you said to the other brother that you now asad and he is a good muslim. Though still I will not say he is not a muslim. I will say he should act the Islamic way. I am sure those of us on this page are not shcolars but at least we know the basics. I will pray that Allah (SWT) should guide us to the rigth path. ex-drama student Wasalam
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| | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 09:37 am "I do not suspect the poeple easliy but there are s.th which do not need any expearience. it was too obvious." lol "I think I kept quiet for a while, and especially when you said to the other brother that you now asad and he is a good muslim." lol------>he is a good muslim. ;-) "Though still I will not say he is not a muslim." lol "I will say he should act the Islamic way." lol
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| | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 08:50 pm I am from South Sudan and I haven,t had seen the reason why Islam called themselves they have had spirit and I don,t think they really do due to the fact that Somalia people fled from the civil war and they were deported back to the war zone. If Islam was true beleive then they would accepted Somalia people because of war not intentional for them to run a way from their lovely land which their fore father had lived in for millions of years ,and I have been there when I was working with U.N.H.C.R in somalia. More over, innocent refugees were deported back from Saudi arabia to Somalia with empty hand and nothing they bring back with them at all. RAAN CHUOL CHOL
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| | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 02:31 am Formerguest Are you saying that love must be attached to responsibility? How long have you been in this world? A mothers love for her child is unconditional and the child must do nothing to earn it. Are we not Gods children? Even a child who strays will still have the unconditional love of its parents - unless the parents are genetic freaks (which do exist, I'll admit). Are you saying the Allah does not love all of his children, even when they sin? He may hate the sin and still love the sinner. When my ex-wife cheated on me I didn't stop loving her. And if I did, that meant I never loved her in the first place. Love asks for nothing in return. If it does, it's not real love. To be real, love must be self-less.
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| | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 04:28 pm Good point Major Mad Mac Islam doesn't only promote hatred it also promotes violence,It is barbarian religion,outdated therefor it needs to be ignored or modified big time. Till then enjoy your ramadan diet
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| | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 05:21 pm You can ignore it if you like but modifying it ain't gonna happen.Deal with it you dirt.
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| | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 11:08 pm Dare Devil That wasn't exactly my point. I was not saying Islam is outdated, or bad, or putting a judgement on it. I was challenging Formerguests assertion that love is conditional. If it's conditional it's not love.
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| | Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 11:18 pm Oh Major Mad Mac! perhaps I was not clear that massage was not for you.. Only Part one is 4U... Good point Major Mad Mac. . . . . To Whom it my concern, Islam doesn't only promote hatred it also promotes violence,It is barbarian religion,outdated therefor it needs to be ignored or modified big time.... Happy diet peepz!
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| | Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 02:06 am ...and when ignorants speak, say Peace.
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| | Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 04:58 am Peace :-)
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| | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 12:28 am Asalaam aleykum to all my muslim brothers and sisters.My Allah be with you all. the reason why am here is not to jugde lost soul or lower him down.But i want to straighten things. U say that Islam is not about love.But why do we pay zakat and help the poor. Acording to allah we all muslims are brothers and sisters. u say there is love in christianity. then why is discrimation keep come back all the time. In USA the black have the own church and the whites the same. We muslim pray in the same mosque. Where u are black,white, arab, chinees, etc we are all brothers and sisters. so brother don´t let the devil philossophy misslead u . Don´t be miss leaded . wasalaam aleykum.
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| | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 12:29 am Asalaam aleykum to all my muslim brothers and sisters.May Allah be with you all. the reason why am here is not to jugde lost soul or lower him down.But i want to straighten things. U say that Islam is not about love.But why do we pay zakat and help the poor. Acording to allah we all muslims are brothers and sisters. u say there is love in christianity. then why is discrimation keep come back all the time. In USA the black have the own church and the whites the same. We muslim pray in the same mosque. Where u are black,white, arab, chinees, etc we are all brothers and sisters. so brother don´t let the devil philossophy misslead u . Don´t be miss leaded . wasalaam aleykum.
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| | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 12:30 am Asalaam aleykum to all my muslim brothers and sisters.May Allah be with you all. the reason why am here is not to jugde lost soul or lower him down.But i want to straighten things. U say that Islam is not about love.But why do we pay zakat and help the poor. Acording to Allah we all muslims are brothers and sisters. u say there is love in christianity. then why is discrimation keep coming back all the time. In USA the black have the own church and the whites the same. We muslim pray in the same mosque. Where u are black,white, arab, chinees, etc we are all brothers and sisters. so brother don´t let the devil philossophy misslead u . Don´t be miss leaded . wasalaam aleykum.
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| | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 01:29 am Muslim Love As with all religions (Islam included) all those who claim to practice their given faith don't always follow the spirit of it faithfully. It is true that many (not all) churches in America are for all practical purposes segregated. But the big difference between the descriptions I've heard here is that in Islam you have to earn Gods love. This is true in some segments of Christianity and not true in others. Please correct me if I am wrong on the Islam part. Personally I do not believe love is earned. I believe that God loves everyone, whether they are atheists, or pagans or Musilms or whatever. I do not believe that there are special people who get special rewards because they curry favor with God by following certain edicts.
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| | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 09:28 pm Is this what LOVE???????????? HADITH OF PROPHET (P.B.U.H)The one who disdains the prayers will receive fifteen punishments from Allah. Six punishments in this lifetime Three while dying Three in the grave& Three on the Day of Judgement. THE SIX PUNISHMENTS OF LIFE: 1. Allah takes away blessings from his age(makes his life misfortunate) 2.Allahdoes not accepthis plea(Du'aa) 3.Allah erases the features of good people from his face. 4.He will be detested by all creatures on earth. 5.Allah does not award him for his good deeds.(No thawab) 6.He willnot be included in the Du'aa of good people. THETHREE PUNISHMENTS WHILEDYING: 1. He dies humiliated. 2. He dies hungry. 3. He dies thirsty. Even if he drinks the water of all seas he will still be thirsty. THE THREE PUNISHMENTS IN THEGRAVE: 1. Allah tightens his grave untilhis chest ribs come over each other. 2. Allah pours on him fire with embers. 3. Allah sets on him a snake called "the brave","the bold" which hits Him from morning until afternoon for leaving Fajr prayer,from the afternoon until Asr for leaving Dhuhr prayer and soon. With each strike he sinks 70 yards under the ground. THE THREE PUNISHMENTS ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT: 1.Allah sends who would accompany him to hell pulling him on the face. 2. Allah gives him an angry look that makes the flesh of his face fall down. 3. Allah judges him strictly and orders him to be thrown in hell. Note:If you get this copy,please make copies of it and distribute them among all muslims. You Will be earning a Reward as well as helping to show your brother the Right Path. May Allah give guidance to all of us. AAMEEN THOSE WHO DO NOT SAY THEIR PRAYERS OF : FAJAR: the glow of their face istaken away. ZOHAR: the blessing of their income is taken away. ASAR: the strength of their body is taken away. MAGHRIB: they are not benefacted by their children. ISHA: the peace of their sleep is taken way. AL-QURAN: Say Your Prayers Before Prayers For You Are Said". NOW YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE: 1. Let this e-mail sitting in your mailbox. Nocurse or whatever may happen to you Insha-Allah ) 2. Forward this e-mail to anumber of people you know and by the grace of Allah you will be blessed for each person you forward this e-mailHADITH OF PROPHET (P.B.U.H)The one who disdains the prayers will receive fifteen punishments from Allah. What is this????????????????????????????????????
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| | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 10:58 pm Daredevil. First: Where is the source of the Hadith?. Which book can we find that?. If you can give the reference would be great. A hadith to have importance, people must quote the source and indicate what is called the authenticity of the Hadith. This goes for all muslims too not only you. I have the same e-mail in my folder and asked the sender to tell me the reference. It sure would help if you can do that. And I don't care what happens to non-praying person. Second: I think you are just starting to open your eyes. Your expectations from Allah is flawed the same way as MAD'S and Galool's are flawed. In human principle, no one gets away with disobidience or failure on the part of an individual entrusted with a specific job or duty. Mad faces penalty deserting the military, Galool is afraid of the outcome of careless flirting with women in front of his wife. The reason the small brain in your head stays there is to use it as a guide through the reasoning aspect of everything. Allah promised justice in all matters. For that reason, Allah will not reward people like you who ignore their main point of existence with good rewards as you simplisticly expect. "2.209 If you backslide after the clear (Signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.". Meaning that Allah will do to you whatever he pleases with and is WISE in that decision because you deserve it(wa). You can blame yourself but no one for your failures. That is what Allah is telling you. "2.103 If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil, far better had been the reward from Allah, if they but knew!". "3.63 But if they turn back, Allah has full knowledge of those who do mischief." There is nothing called in islam whatever I want or however I want. That is called a desire and it won't prevail according to Allah: "4.123 Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper". Action and an Act of obidinece is required to get the love of Allah. The same goes for his WRATH for Allah punishes severely those who digress. You are not applying a common sense to what you guys say. You just say it for the heck of it. Or out of incapability to do anything with the mighty teaching of islam. May Allah guide us all to his path. A muslim keeps in mind all the reburcutions that come with negligence. A muslim lives in expectation of mercy and fear of Allah's punishment if he falters. Allah doesn't burden human beings with heavy duties that they can't perform. In fact their structure is well suited to the performance of his obidience. And no one knows that that better than a muslim who reads the Quran with understanding: "2.286 On no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Protector; Grant us victory over the unbelievers". Allah trained muslims to be remindful of him. That each and every individual will collect what he saves for himslef. That is why Islam is called submission to Allah. You obey you succed, you disobey you fail.
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| | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 07:35 am MAD MAC---IT IS WRONG TO BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOULD LOVE YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ACTIONS. IF YOU RAPE A LITTLE GIRL, DO YOU THINK GOD SHOULD LOVE YOU? GOD DOES NOT LOVE THOSE WHO CORRUPT THE LAND AND THOSE WHO BRING HOROR TO OTHER PEOPLE. YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS AND BELIEFS. GOD IS NOT ONE'S PARENT. HE HAS NO CHILDREN. WE ARE NOT GOD'S CHIDLREN.
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| | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 10:55 pm Anon I disagree. Does a mother still love her son even if he's a rapist? Of course she does. She can despise what he's done and still love him. I believe God may hate the sin, but love the sinner. I mean, we're all sinners. The rapist is a sinner, but so are you. In your eyes (and mine) his act is heinous. But we can not say how God measures his act, in comparison to the whole life. That child rapist might also be a believer who is sincerely repetent. Even were he not, God might still love him, and simply hate what he does. Whether or not God casts judgement at the end of our lives (and I personally think there is much to this transition we don't understand) based on our acts here on earth, I think God loves everyone. Just as a mother loves all of her children - regardless of whether or not some turn out to be great humanitarins and others low life criminals.
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 02:49 am MAD MAC---YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT GOD IS NO ONE'S PARENT. HE IS NOT LIKE A MOTHER. HE DOES NOT HAVE CHILDREN. HE CREATES THINGS AND BEINGS. HE LOVES GOOD PEOPLE AND HE HATES BAD PEOPLE. DO YOU THINK HITLER IS SOMEONE THAT DESERVES THE LOVE OF GOD? THE FACT THAT GOD JUDGES MAKES HIM A JUST GOD. TO SAY THAT GOD LOVES A PERSON WHO BRINGS TOROR TO PEOPLE--------IS INJUSTICE. THERE WOULD NOT BE HELL IF GOD LOVED EVERYONE-----UNLESS, MAD MAC, YOUR BELIEF IS THAT THERE IS NO HELL.
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:04 am ANON: come on reveal urself. that would be a lot nicer. anyways, i know who u r!!!My favorite brother :-)
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:39 am ANONYMOUS, YOU SAY YOU KNOW ME AND THAT I'M YOUR FAVARITE BROTHER, BUT HOW COME THAT I DO NOT KNOW YOU? IS IT THAT YOU ARE ALSO NOT REVEALING YOURSLELF?
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 04:36 am Anon Well, that's what the Mormons believe (a Christian sect) that there is no hell. There are, instead, different levels of heaven if you will. I do not believe God can be just and merciful, this is one of the basic problems I have with Islam. Mercy and justice are fundamentally at odds. Therefore, I believe it's entirely possible that a man like Hitler was not "punished", but rather has limited his after-life. Or been forced to have a go at this one again and try to get it right. If we look at this life as a learning experience, vice a test, you can see how it would be possible that God might love a sinner who has committed heinous acts. If God loves, as we defined that word, then he loves without condition. To love with condition (that you be a good person) is not love. Love, by definition, is unconditional. If love is selfish, if you place conditions on it, then it becomes somehting cheap. Like a woman who says she'll love you if you buy her lots of gold jewelry. If God only loves you if you are good, then it's not love. If God does not love sinners then he doesn't love anyone.
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 05:25 am MAD MAC-----THE PROBLEM WITH THE BELIEF OF YOURS IS THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE CREATION OF HELL. AGAIN, THE FACT THAT GOD JUDGES PEOPLE-----MAKES HIM A JUST GOD. IT WILL BE INJUSTICE IF GOD WILL MAKE EVERYONE (THE GOOD AND THE BAD) GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT PUNISHMENT----WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS-----UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING THE DEATH ITSELF IS PUNISHMENT. WHAT IS THE REASON OF ASKING FORGIVENESS OF GOD IF THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY? WHY ASK FORGIVENESS IF THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT IN HELL? IN YOUR BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE (THE GOOD AND THE BAD AND EVEN THE DEVIL HIMSELF) WILL GO TO HEAVEN IS NOTHING BUT A CONTARARY TO JUSTICE. YOU ARE SAYING SINCE GOD DOES NOT HATE THE WRONG DOING PEOPLE AND THE DEVIL, GOD ONLY CREATED HEAVEN (NOT HELL).! WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS THAT? IF GOD LOVED THE SATAN (WHICH IS A CREATION LIKE THE HUMAN BEING), SATAN WOULD BE PARTYING IN HEAVEN WITH THE RIGHTEOUS.
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 06:18 am lol@ ANON:
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 08:41 am Anon, is that you Asad?
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 08:52 am Salama...{Within exception of tHE oNe, tHE ONly} I would take this question, basicly to be meant love of sensual. If so, then allow me to partake. Lust or Love? Two different aspects. If you really mean Love--the one that is hundred-per cent, for sure, Xalaal. Then, this is the real, solid unadulterated, sheer that you may not encounter at public places. Its affection is reserved truly to those who love themselves. And, privately, is best. If you love yourself, why then show people how you love yourselves--like birds. Does this require to publicize? Does your love need to be known? If you answered those questions positively. And you did. Then, this is what I call--the perfidious, two-timing, disloyal of the 'other' side of love: Lust!! _________________ Ramadhaan Kariim!! Mac-Salaama!!
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:51 pm To The Genuiss who started this thread; Exactly what kind of love are we asking here? Between a Man and a Woman or a Universal Love? Are we talking about Warm and Loving words in the Qur'an? Let's see, the word Islam itself comes from the Arabic word to mean Salam or Peace. So, you see that basic name says it all. I agree with Asad, you need to read the Qur'an and seek for love and warmth in it before you come here and start a thread asking a question which has quite a simple answer! Now, about Christianity, which one are you talking about? The same Christianity which is responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Spain during the Queen Isabella era? The same religion that was used to justify Slavery in the New World? The same religion that was used to inflict considerable amounts of pain throughout the world? Such as: China in the early 1700. England declared war on China simply because China refused to let Christianity and Britons in to their country. A more recent event would be what is happening in Chechnya, what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo. Tons of Muslims were being killed by Christians because of their religion and ethnicity! Please, seek your answers in the Qur'an, it is there, waiting to be read!
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 02:11 pm MAD MAC, If I found your previous statements confusing and unclear the following will be an understatement; "Does a mother still love her son even if he's a rapist? Of course she does." Not a child of mine. There is a limit to everything in life. If my child became a rapist, what is there for me to love about him? True, he is my son, but does that justify anything? No, it doesn't. We are humans, we have a brain and it is there for a use. Even smaller creatures such as cats and dogs love and hate certain humans. Let me give you an example, I've a cat and I don't feed it, I don't give it a shelter and so forth. But my brother gives the cat food and warmth. It is clear that I hate the cat and he loves her. Now, is the cat going to be more affectionate towards me or towards him? I think the answer is quite obvious. The cat will run to my brother instead of me. This applies to children. Little babies know the difference between their mother and the other people. They know who is more affectionate to them and who isn't. Therefore, based on their knowledge, they choose their love. Same thing with humans, Love isn't some unexplainable phenomenon, Love is common sense. There is no way in hell that someone will love someone for no reason. The people we love have something that we admire and like about them. If you asked a Jewish survivor of the holocaust, "Do you love Hitler?" We all know what the reply would be. To be loved and respected, you must earn it. There's no way I will love someone who's comitting horrific acts of violence such as rape even if he is my son! As for God. You can not compare with humans. You see, humans mate and have children, but that isn't the case with God. Yes, we are creatures of God, but are we children of God in the sense that he is our parent? NO! The love between God and his creatures is not comparable to that between parent and child! God said those that follow his message will succeed and will be loved, but those that strange away from the right path and his kindness will not be. It makes perfect sense, if I invest everything I've in another human and he/she decides to ignore me, deny my very existence, spread lies about me, and do the things that I forbid, why would I still continue to love him/her? No, there is no way I'll continue to love him or her. Love has a limit and love knows when to stop going on just like everything else in life! I am quite amazed by your Harmonic and Utopia-like sentiments with regards to love, I do not share them! You love who deserves your love, not everyone!
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| | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 11:39 pm Anon First of all, what makes you think this universe is Just? No two things on this planet ever had an equal chance, not a leaf, not tree, not a plant not a human. Secondly, why must there be "Justice"? In the Army we have a saying "taking a warm coat off of your back isn't going to make my back any warmer." If I suffer does that make your paradise nicer? If God can give paradise to all (and I would think he can) then why not? Why only give it to the worthy? What is to be gained by this? Why pray for forgiveness? When I commit a wrong to someone and then say "I'm sorry, I was wrong" do I do that for self-aggrandizement? If I do, it was hardly a sincere apology. I wasn't sorry I did wrong, I was sorry I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar. If I did wrong to someone (I stole something of theirs) but they didn't know it, no reason to give it back right. I mean, I won't benefit from it and could get in trouble. Or do I give it back to curry favor with God? Once again, that is self-aggrandizement, not genuine regret. If I ask forgiveness from God, or someone else, and the remorse is not genuine but only searching for a reward, what kind of remorse am I really displying? If God judges how would he judge that? You look at our time on earth as a test. I do not. For the same reason you should give to charity, not to look for rewards (the Qur'an itself says you should not advertise your giving). Remember the Biblical quote about the poor woman who gave all she had. She gave more than the Risch man who tithed 10%. If I give to charity it should be out of genuine concern and goodwill towards my fellow man, not an investment in future stocks and bonds when I'm dead. Do you understand what I'm saying? This cuts to the root of why I'm not a Muslim but do believe part of the Qur'an is the word of God. It also cuts to the heart of why I don't believe the "truth" is attainable for us here on earth. Exactly why we are here, the reason for our existence, I don't claim to have the answers. I believe the answers provided to date are incomplete. MadMullah You say we have a brain. Love is an emotion, not a reasoned thing. When you subject an emotion to reason, it loses it's purity. Emotions are certainly not always good. Indeed they can be destructive. But when you reign them in under the umbrella of reason, they cease to have their purity. I love my son. Nothing is going to change that. Regardless of what he does in the future, I would never say I do not love my son. He doesn't have to earn my love. I can't believe you are a mother. How could you not love your own child? If you love for a reason, that's not love, that's infatuation. That's self-absorbtion. To quote Khalil Gibran "Love loves for loves sake. Love asks not." Lose is unique in this way. It is a unique emotion, for clearly we can love without a reason. I am not a cat. You don't need to feed me for me to love you. I remember I fell in love with this woman who never returned the favor. I never stopped loving her. If I did, it would not be love, but infatuation. You are turning an emotion into something that is measured with scales and measurements. I suspect you lack experience (at least I hope that's the case). Otherwise your husband is in for a rough road. No one wants to be loved just for what he brings to the table. I your husband loves you because you're a good cook and good in bed, would that make you feel like you have unconditional love? If so, then if there's an accident and he says "whoa, she ain't cutting it anymore" and wants to get a divorce because you've become a burden and can't earn his love anymore what kind of love is that?
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 07:18 am MAD MAC--I DID NOT SAY THE UNIVERSE IS JUST. I SAID GOD IS A JUST GOD. IF QURAN SAYS GOD PROMISED HELL FOR THE DEVIL AND THE WRONG DOING PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW SATAN'S WAY, ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS FALSE? GOD REWARDS AND PUNISHES; HE LOVES AND HATES; HE CREATED HELL AND HAEVEN? PEOPLE ASK FORGIVENESS BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED SIN OR DID WRONG TO OTHER PEOPLE OR BROKE THE A RULE. IF YOU BROKE A RULE, YOU MUST FACE ACCOUNTABILITY. YOU MUST BE AWARE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. SATAN HIMSELF KNOWS THAT HE MUST FACE ACCOUNTABILITY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS: ARE YOU SAYING GOD LOVES SATAN, MAD MAC? YOU ARE SAYING GOD ONLY CREATED HEAVEN (NOT HELL)?
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 08:10 am ANON: a lil birdy told me that (nifda)exposing people is wrong, though I still don't know if i was right or wrong. In any case, I apologise, pls forgive me:-)
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:10 am TRAUNTLABGIRL--I DO NOT THINK YOU DID EX0POSE (NIFDA) ANY WRONG DOING ON MY PART ; THEREFORE, YOU DO NOT NEED TO APOLOGIZE.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:13 am Just one point about the charity things; If you give charity it should be a genenuen concern and goodwill for your fellow human being; that is what islam encourages not to make favaour or whatever for looking respect or rewards. and if you anylise this you see the requirment of intetion overrides anything else. Then in islam what is more is that that Allah ( SWt) will reward you for this only if you did it to help for that person. so, the reason we pay charity is not we only want reward for here after ....but we want do it. I like cuz the intention requirment stops the poeple to show off. for the love things; i will find difficult to compare this our relationship with othe humanbeing but anyway; if you have two sons and you both assinged for the same task. beforehand you gave them some lessons and you gave them some guidelines to follow. okey, one did with his best eventhough, he found sometimes very difficuty and the other did not, did not try instead he all the evil thing s he could including hitting on the head the other one ; say they are both 15 would you give them the same rewards. would you not be just and ask to apologise to his brother. Okey, again you promised for them that you will give them two of your big houses. okey when became very good person but the other started being nasty towards you and evrybody. he is a looser and evil. you gave them all the chances to improve but never takes will you still go ahead and give the house cuz he is your son. onemore example, do you think that an student who doe s his work and the who does not should get the same grade therefore the same jobs. onemore example, if you are a judge in a court and you have two opponants then the the jury reachs the virdict that the accused wrongfully killed the doughter of the victim and raped her. would you say okey, guilty, but no punishhment. relate this to the discussion that there is only heaven and hell if there is a god then He has to be just to be just then there must be a balance.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:32 am ARAWELO---WHEN YOU DO A CHARITY WORK, DO YOU DO IT THE SOLE PERPOSE OF HELPING PEOPLE ONLY SO YOU CAN MAKE THEM HAPPY? IN ISLAM, ALTHOUGHT YOU ARE HELPING PEOPLE, IF YOU DO NOT DO CHARITY WORK FOR ALLAH, THE CHARITY WORK IS NO GOOD. ALLAH MAY REWARD YOU IN YOUR WORK IN THIS WORLD, BUT IN THE HEREAFER YOU WILL NOT GET ANY REWARDS. IN ISLAM, WHEN YOU DO A CHARITY WORK TO HELP PEOPLE, YOU MUST DO IT IN THE INTATION TO PLEASE ALLAH. IF YOU PLEASE ALLAH, THEN HE WILL REWARD YOU. THE REASON MUSLIMS DO CHARITY WORK IS THAT THEY WANT REWARD FROM ALLAH IN THIS WORLD AND THE HEREAFTER.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:55 am Anynmous with the big letters, do you misread my post. my respond was addressed to MM, who said the the first linethat i repeated. We do help the poeple with the intention to help them and of course make them happy. and only because of our good intention we are reward by Allah. If we do not have the intention to make them help them genenuesly but to show off or want them to respect us for that then we will not be rewarded for that. Are you saying we help them the poeple without having any humanitarian sense. if we see '' a child dying for hunger or from deseise then we pay something' why? a play ground that may need re-built we do not pay anything toward the contrubution we leave for the government to do something about it.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:33 am MAD MAC, I don't know who you think you are talking to me about my personal life. You've crossed the line there. And for your information, I do not have children yet Insha Allah someday. And when I do, I will love them very dearly! As for my husband, we share more than what your pathetic little brain could comprehend! Maybe your marriages were all about "Being good in bed or being good in the kitchen." But not everyone's are like that, specially not mine! You think everyone in the world is obsessed with "Being good in bed or in the kitchen."? What the Heck? There is more in life than those tangible things! And frankly speaking I see no reason discussing my private life with you! What the Hell do your kind know about love anyway? The only time you "Fall in love" is when you have sex with each other. What kind of nonsense is that? You say love is unconditional, yet 99% of people in the West "Fall in love" only after they've hit the sheets, so in order for you to be loved you must first show your capabilities in bed! And here you are filling the net waves with such garbage! Read my previous post before you jump around! Love isn't some unexplainable phenomenon as you are making it sound. And remember, just because you've a certain definition of love doesn't mean it is Universal! Each love in the world is different, so don't force your ideologies on us! Tah!
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:43 am Mad Mullah, Jaz aka Allah kheyran for your effort. But sister can I ckindly and sisterly way request you or suggest you should be a bot more ncer when writing. desplay of a good character is an essential party of the deen. I amnot suggesting you are wrong but I would not say some of the things here. sister sorry i will apologise if i offended you in anyway.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 11:03 am Assalamu Aleikum! Arrawelo, I don't appreciate people poking in to my private, least of all some one who doesn't know anything about me! I took no offense in to what you've said!
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 11:09 am HEY MADMAC WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE THE LADIES ALONE?WHAT BUSINESS OF YOURS IS IT WHAT SHE DOES IN HER PRIVATE LIFE?WE PROTECT OUR OWN SO YOU BETTER LEAVE THE LADY ALONE
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 11:18 am Salaan Mad-Mullah Well spoken sister..keep up the good effort  Arawelo what is it that you don't like about sister MM's writing...?
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 11:38 am AY WHO THE HELL IS THIS FOOL MADMAC? YO FOOL LEAVE THE GIRL ALONE.SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN YOUR KUFAR ASS COULD EVER KNOW. -->MADMULAH KEEP UP THE FAITH GIRL AND RAMADAN KARIM.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 12:56 pm Preist Mad Mac I have seen your poor attempt at dangling love and giving christian sermons in this forums. Call it the Somali conspiratorial mind. That is the difference between christianity and Islam. You preach by deception and lies. Because what you preach can not stand on merit. In case my Somalian brothers and sisters did not see the dots on the i's and the crosses on the t's, you are probably a christian preist. Your Job is to start a debate on a popular topic and give it a religious shade. Like love, intermarriage, etc. Your aim is to put as much christian concepts into your contributions as possible with a lot of biblical references. Now and then you throw in insulting words about God and Islamic concepts. Your strategy is to make readers react to your diatribe. You represent the christians who enslaved Africa, the soldiers who roasted alive Somalis and the infidels with thier crosses and candles. When you abuse Islam, it reinforces our resolve and conviction. Try as you might, you are bound to fail. Why? Simply because we are Muslims with a faith, a conviction and a soul.
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| | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 01:05 pm Muslim Mac, Masha Allah! You're right, we are Muslims with faith a conviction and a soul! To everyone else that stood up for me, Thank you very much! It is said "When people have nothing else to say, they resort to insulsts and negative assumptions." We are Somalis, we have a very important identity and we all know our history. Even though we fight, we still manage to find common grounds because we are people with faith and a meaning in life. We have a Nice name that represents many things even though many of us don't like to see it that way, they must kill our name before they kill us! Ramadan Karim and Keep the faith!
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:17 am MadMulah Thank you and Ramadan Karim It is an honour to stand up for Islam and pin down the evil mongers and Mad Macs of this earth. Please difaac the Kitaabullaahi Allah ajar ha ku siiyee. Walaalahayga kalana wadaadka isqarinaya yuusan sirin. Siiya waxaad rumaysantihiin oo ah Eebe, Maxamad (csw) iyo iimaanka iyo caqiidada Islaamka.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:22 am Dear Muslim Mac May God give you Ajar. And thank you sister MadMulah. This hiding wadaad gaal is poison. You ppl opened my eyes jazaakumullah. To all my Muslim bros and sis Look before you leap siday iskuulka nagu bareen. Beaware of the devil and satan in these columns. Rot in Hell crusader Mad Mac.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:42 am ARAWELO--I DO NOT THINK I MISREAD YOUR POST. I STILL DISAGREE WITH YOU. YOU SEE, IN ISLAM, WHENEVER WE DO THINGS, WE MUST DO IT TO PLEASE ALLAH. IF WE DO THINGS FOR PEOPLE WITHOUT THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH, OUR WORK IS NO GOING TO HELP US IN THE HEREAFTER, EVEN IF IT HELPS PEOPLE. YOU MIGHT GET REWARDS FOR THE WORK WHILE IN THIS WORLD, BUT YOU WILL NOT GET ANY REWARD IN THE HEREAFTER. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SH0WING OFF OR ANYTHING. AN ATHEIST CAN HAVE HUMANITARIAN SENSE, BUT HE OR SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET REWARD IN THE HEREAFTER WITH HIS OR HER EFFORT TO HELP PEOPLE. HE OR SHE MIGHT GET REWARDS WHILE HE OR SHE IS IN THIS WORLD. IN THE SAME WAY, IF A MUSLIM HAS HUMANITARIAN SENSE WITHOUT HIM OR HER ACKNOWLEGING ALLAH AND WITHOUT THE INTENTION TO PLEASE ALLAH FIRST, THEN HE OR SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET REWARDS IN THE HEREAFTER. YOU MUST DO THINGS FOR ALLAH IN ORDER TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND I ORDER TO PLEASE ALLAH (BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER DOING WHATEVER THINGS YOU DO). THAT IS THE RULE IN ISLAM. THIS IS PART OF WORSHIP. WAMAA QALAQNAL JINI WAL INSI ILAA LA YACBIDUUN.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 08:42 am Oh boy you guys have been busy. This one post is going to take forever. And I don't have forever, so I'm going to cut to the chase. First for Anon. Look man, believe what you want. But there's something woefully wrong with a philosophy that says you are donating to charity in order to please God instead of doing the right thing. I understand the logic train that we determined the right thing because of guidance from God, but to give for the purpose of reward is tainted. And although I can not cite the Surah at this time, I know the Qur'an says as much. Now for MAD Mullah You are a hot blooded woman (this is a compliment). I was talking really in the theoretical. I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with your marriage. But in your answer you reinforced my point. You said it when you said how well founded your marriage is and how unconditional the love. Hence your husband isn't simply looking for what's in it for him. He loves you for what you are - and even if something changed in a material manner, he's still in it with you. You see my point? His love is unconditional. That's what I'm getting at here. Liban That sounds like a challenge dude. Pound for pound baby. Pound for pound. Muslim MAC - Well, you've got a good name anyway. To all. So now I'm an evil monger. I guess anyone who would have a different viewpoint would qualify. Anyway, allow me tio leave you with this thought (BTW this was written by a Muslim): When loves beckons you, follow him, Though his ways are hard and steep. And when his wings enfold you, yield to him, Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you. And when he speaks to you believe in him, Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden. For even as love crowns you, so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning. ..........
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 09:22 am MM, Onething Love has different meaning. So Allah's love to His creature cannot ever be equited to that btw humans. anotherthing, Love and justice are two differet things. Allah is just as well as mercfull. He created us and gave us the brain that differentiate us from the other creatures. We are going back to Him and want justice from Him. can you make meaning of how this can be realated? Allah knows the best. To Sister khadija, I think sister MM understood what I meant. To all share this with me. The best things from 'Umar radia alahu 'anhu '' I looked at all the friends and did not find a better friend than safeguarding the tongue. I thought about all the dresses but did not find a better dress than piety. I thought about all sorts of wealth but did not find a better wealth than contentment in a little. I thought of all sorts of good deeds but did not find abetter deed than offering good advice. I looked at all types of sustenance but did not find a bettere sustenance than petience.'' Beleave me when I first read this up till know the words comes back into my mind. Hope you feel the same. Ps; My brohers and sisters do not feel Iam offending you when I tell you what I think it should be good. It should be our responsibility to help each other, offer each other advice. I certainly need to benefit from you. Okey, we are individualiy responsible for our souls , but islam is not a religion of isolated individuals. this is why we have abrotherhood and sisterhood, a family and ummah. we have responsibilty to each othe, to ourselves and above all, to Allah SWT. MM, That was really good poem ( it is a poem). I think I am reading your mind know '' your ex-wife did not respond in the way she should have' ( no offence) but do not worry my cousin love is in the air.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:06 am MAD MAC---IT IS YOUR *BELIEF* THAT IS WRONG. YOU BELIEVE THAT BY PLEASING GOD WHEN DOING CHARITY WORK IS WRONG! YOU ALSO BELEIEVE THAT GOD CREATED HEAVEN ONLY, BUT NOT HELL.! BTW, IF THERE IS NO HELL, WHERE WOULD SATAN GO------HEAVEN?! DOES GOD LOVE SATAN? MAD MAC----THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY (AS YOU ARE CLAIMING) CHARITY WORK DOES NOT NEED PURPOSE. MAYBE YOU ARE READING SOMETHING ELSE (NOT THE QURAN). ON THE CONTRARY, THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE THE QURAN SAYS GIVE CHARITY IN THE WAY OF ALLAH (FOR THE PURPOSE OF ALLAH). MAD MAC, YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT, IN ISLAM, GIVING CHARITY AND HELPING OTHERS IS AN ORDER FROM ALLAH. IF YOU OBEY AN ORDER, YOU ARE PLEASING ALLAH. IF AN ATHEIST WHO FASTS AND DOES CHARITY WORK (WHILE DISBELIEVING ALLAH), HIS WORK WILL NOT PRODUCE FRUITS IN THE HEREAFTER. IN THE SAME WAY, IF A MUSLIM FASTS AND DOES CHIRITY WORK (WHILE HIS INTENTION IS NOT TO PLEASE ALLAH), HIS WORK WILL NOT PRODUCE FRUITS IN THE HEREAFTER.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:10 am To all Am I right in thinking that the place is now crawling with girls in a fighting mood? whoever called women the "softer sex" anyway? Poor MM is being scratched to death here by a whole coven of young beardesses! run for cover Yank!
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:13 am Anynmous; See what I am saying; Beleaf comes first, then intention, then the act, then reawrd. got it.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:20 am Galool, reading your commemnt on women I think it is you who enjoys the subjugation of women. why do you sound so discirminative against women. Are you looking to discuss only with men. I will not doubt for a second you are sexist. Do you live in Australia by the way. You know I do not know what feminist means but whenever I sense that anyone is pushing down cus of my gender I really turn to be feminist.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:37 am ARAWELO---YES, THE BELIEF OF GIVING CHARITY BEING AN ORDER IS FIRST, RIGHT? I TOLD YOU, IN ISLAM, IF A MUSLIM HAS HUMANITARIAN SENSE WITHOUT HIM OR HER ACKNOWLEGING ALLAH AND WITHOUT THE INTENTION TO PLEASE ALLAH FIRST, HE OR SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET REWARDS IN THE HEREAFTER. YOU MUST DO THINGS FOR ALLAH IN TO GET REWARDS. TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND TO PLEASE ALLAH IS WHAT YOUR INTENION SHOULD BE FIRST. IN FACT, YOU INTENTION MUST BE RIGHT---BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER----DOING WHATEVER THINGS YOU DO. THAT IS THE RULE IN ISLAM. IF YOU DO THINGS (WITHOUT THIS RULE), YOU WILL NOT NOT GET REWARDS IN YOUR EFFORT IN THE HEREAFTER. THIS IS PART OF WORSHIP. WAMAA QALAQNAL JINI WAL INSI ILAA LA YACBIDUUN.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:42 am Anymous Have not I said that at the begining. how come you waited untill i shorten it. by the way. your writing is too boring why not write in small letters ( no offence0 can I give you this name ; colonel blimb! Joking
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:59 am ARAWELO---BORING OR NOT, YOU CAN GIVE ME ANY NAME YOU WANT.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:04 am ANONY, No bro/ sis I like what you say but writng in a capital is like writing in a red pen. By the way i am gaussing who you are but will let you know when day. Are you still thinking Ihate the thruth to be repeated. Smile. walaal ( most properly a brother but notasad) let m´now my brothe i will give you my email.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:25 am ARAWELO--I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU STILL HATE THE TRUTH OR NOT. THE KEYBOARD IS NOT FUNCTIONING. UNTIL I FIX THE KEYBOARD, THE WRITING WILL BE BORING, RIGHT? I DO NOT THINK YOU KNOW WHO I'M. I'M ANONYMOUS TO YOU LIKE YOU ARE ANONYMOUS TO ME. IF WE KNEW EACH OTHER, WE WOULD HAVE EXCHANGED EMAIL ADDRESSS BEFORE.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:34 am Not in the sense I mean. I mean you are among the one of the brothers that I came to knwo on the net. though, not in person. do not get me wrong. About the emaiol i did not mean that i want to know you in person but to check whether i can be a real detective but i was not serious about it. i do not really mind who a person is. but why suspect that i hate the thruth do not you think you are earning a sin of saying that. Salams now
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 07:25 pm ARAWELO---YES, WE ARE BOTH ANONYMOUS TO EACH OTHER; WE DO NOT KNOW EACH OTHER. EVEN IF YOU GIVE ME YOUR EMAIL, I'M GOING TO BE ANONYMOUS TO YOU. I DID NOT SUSPECT ANYTHING; THEREFORE, I DO NOT THINK I COMMITTED A SIN BY SAYING I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU STILL HATE THE TRUTH OR NOT. WHAT I DO NOT KNOW DOES NOT MAKE ME A SINNER. I DO NOT KNOW YOU; THEREFORE, I CAN NOT JUDGE IF YOU HATE OR LOVE THE TRUTH.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 09:57 pm Anon Give me a little time and I will research the Surah which supports (dare I say proves) my thesis here. You are looking at this thing like a mathmatical equation: If I do X I get Y. As if God simply looked at things in scales and measurements. Life ain't that simple dude, esspecially when it comes to the will of Allah and the human relationship to that will.
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| | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 10:45 pm MAD. What do you know/mean about the will of Allah and the human realtionship to that will?. Any ideas?.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 06:10 am knock...knock anyone mentioning my nick :-) hey FG: that article was funny, you should have allowed me to to prove my point without going to religion. Anyways, it is my turn now, i m not sure if my friend is available or notbut if u contact me i will make it tangible for you, being a straight shooter always worrys me loool :-) Ps: if u were not the guy i m referring to...PLEASE disregard this message totally :-) Arawello, why are u giving urself such a hardtime? let him or her be whatever ANON...who cares...lol MM, looking for an evidence from the Quran..shooot holly Cow!!!!! Now u can perform my marriage rituals..huh..LOL TO ALL PLEASE DO NOT LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR...REMEMBER WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS THINGS WITHOUT FORGETTING THAT WE ARE ALL BROTHERS N SISTERS REGARDLESS OF COLOR, RELIGION, AND DEGREE OF STUPIDNESS...LOL....HOPE GRANPA ADAM N GRANDMA EVE AGREE WITH THEIR GREAT GRAND DAUGHTER..LOL SALAAMS....
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 07:57 am MAD MAC---ALTHOUGHT I THINK THE QURAN WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR RESEARCH IN THE QURAN THAT WILL SUPPORT YOU SUGGESION. I STILL THINK YOU READ WAS NOT IN THE QURAN, BECAUSE THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY CHARITY WORK DOES NOT NEED PURPOSE. ON THE CONTRARY, THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE THE QURAN SAYS: GIVE CHARITIES IN THE WAY OF ALLAH (FOR THE PURPOSE OF ALLAH). IN FACT, GIVING CHARITIES IS ONE OF THE BILARS OF ISLAM.! THAT IS WAY I SAID EARLIER THIS: YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT, IN ISLAM, GIVING CHARITY AND HELPING OTHERS IS AN ORDER FROM ALLAH. I TOLD YOU THAT MAYBE YOU ARE READING SOMETHING ELSE, NOT THE QURAN. YES, LIFE IS NOT SIMPLE, BUT, MAD MAC, THE FACT IS THAT GOD JUDGES. IF SOMEONE DOES NOT OBEY THE LAWS OF ALLAH, HE OR SHE WILL HAVE TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCE OF HIS OR HER ACTIONS (BELIEFS). IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE ORDERS (THE LAWS) OF ALLAH AND FOLLOW THE SATAN'S WAY OR YOUR OWN BELIEFS WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT ALLAH ODERED, YOU BROKE THE RELATIONSHIP YOU HAD WITH YOUR CREATOR WHO IS NOT LIKE YOUR PARENTS. LIFE IS ALL ABOUT RESPONSIBLITY. GOD GIVES LOVE; HE IS THE MOST MERCIFUL; HE FORGIVES AND HE GUIDES PEOPLE; HE SENT PROPHETS AND BOOKS THAT SHOW WHICH DIRECTION TO TAKE. IT IS UP TO YOU TO TAKE THE DIRECTION THAT LEADS YOU TO HEAVEN OR HELL. YOU SAY GOD SHOULD LOVE YOU REGARLESS OF YOUR BELIEFS AND ACTIONS AND THAT GOD EVEN LOVES SATAN; THERE IS NO HELL----THAT EVERYONE WILL GO TO HEAVEN (THE GOOD AND THE BAD)! WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS THAT-----A MAN LIKE HITLER AND SATAN WILL NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:06 am IDEA----YES, WHO CARES OF WHO IS WHOM HERE? I DO NOT. WHAT COUNTS IS WHAT IS WRITEN ON HERE. YOU AND I AND HER ARE ALL ANONYMOUS TO EACH OTHER IN WHATEVER USERNAME WE USE, RIGHT?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:07 am Mad Mac You miss the whole point and try to hide your identity. Your whimpering "BTW this is written by a Muslim' is a no-buy!! Let me tell you this. In Mogadishu in my kid days one preist used to give us kids chocolates on Sundays and nac nac on Fridays. With the chocolates he used to say Jesus greets you. Not knowing the motive, we poor kids always went for the chocolates and loved sundays. See the point? He was promoting christianity(via chocolates and sundays) by deception and belittling the Muslim holiday of friday. Doesn't that sound vintage Mad Mac tactics. Love and a little christian literature here and there. You are unmasked, Preist Mad Mac!!!! And by the way, we know you are helpless. Probably your cheif preist will boot you out if you dont put in every night your little sermon (you would have said crucify)!!! And what is a name?? Shall I take it as a compliment (which I do not need from crusaders) or as another preistly gaffe? Finally, Preist Mad Mac let me ask you to show how hallow your christian debate is: Do you know the difference between fear and respect? When you respect traffic rules is it because you fear every police officer you see?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:24 am ANON: did i or did i tell you that i did...walaahi i did miss your sense of al-maa maa:-)loooooooooool
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:29 am muslim mac: wow they did that in Mogadisho!!! interesting. and what did the shiekhs back home did with such ppl? How come they allowed that??? (thanks for the precious information)
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:32 am IDEA-----NO, I DID NOT SAY YOU DID CARE. YOU SAID YOU DID NOT CARE WHO IS WHOM AND I AGREED WITH YOU. THAT IS THE AL-MAA MAA YOU MISSED.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:35 am LOL at least you agreed On something regardless what it was?LOOOOOL How is ramadan with you brother?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:50 am Anony, you said this that do not hate the thruth in athor discussion. and what i said about anym does not change what you said at the beggining. salama
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:55 am IDEA-----RAMADAN IS GOING FINE, AL-XAMDULI-ALLAH, BUT I WISH I WAS NOT TRAVELING WHILE FASTING. I DO NOT LIKE EATING AT RESTAURANTS AT THE TIME OF THE BREAKING THE FAST. HOWEVER, I'M GLAD I'M HEADING HOME TOMORROW (FRIDAY) AND WILL BE BREAKING MY FAST WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES FOR THE REMAINING OF THE RAMADAN, ISHA-ALLAH. I WOULD NOT BE DOING TRAVELING TILL NEXT YEAR (AFTER THE HOLIDAYS). HOW IS YOURS? CAN YOU MAKE SAMBUUSI AND BAJIYE? I MISSED THOSE.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:04 am ARAWELO---IF I REMEMBER, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID YOU HATE WHEN PEOPLE REPEAT HOW ISLAM TREATS WOMAN RIGHT-----WHICH IS THE TRUTH. IF WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINING AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE SAME, THEN WE AGREE EACH OTHER, RIGHT?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:06 am I am glad that you will be home soon, insha-allah. No, i am making papers and exams but will be done soon. Mum needs a rest :-) Take a Good care of yourself, abti :-) salaams for now
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:07 am Anynous I gave up. do not worry. but that was not fair. i will hate you for that. no matter how anynmus you are to me.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:12 am ARAWELO-----I DO NOT THINK YOU HATE ME. I DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG TO YOU. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME-----HOW CAN YOU HATE ME?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:15 am IDEA----CAN YOU COOK SAMBUUSI AND BAJIYE?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:01 am I see chemstry, Anon with captial letters(Asad) and idea. TLG and FG More to come....
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:09 am EXPERT-----I DO NOT THINK I CAN HAVE CHEMISTRY (RELATIONSHIP--CONNECTION) WITH A LADY ONLINE. IN THE SAME WAY, I DO NOT THINK I CAN LOVE OR HATE A LADY ONLINE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY HATE OR LOVE SOMEBODY THEY HAD TALKS ONLINE AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK LOVE OR HATE CAN HAPPEN ON WWW.SOMALINET.COM/FORUM.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:19 am EXPERT----BTW, AS AN EXPERT, YOU SAID YOU DID SEE *LOVE*-CONNECTION BETWEEN IDEA AND ME, BUT DID YOU ALSO SEE *HATE*-CONNECTION BETWEEN ARAWELO AND ME?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:22 am Idea - You can't believe they allowed that??? What are they suppose to do, execute him for giving a kid chocolate?? Don't be a moron. Ever hear of freedom of expression? I know it's a radical thought, but maybe you should remotely consider it. Anon OK, check this out (not Qur'anic yet, but I'll get there, don't worry. This is by Khalil Gibran. Then said a rich man, speak to us of giving. And he answered: You give but little when you give of your possesions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give. For what are your possessions but things you keep and guard for fear you may need them tommorrow? And tommorrow, what shall tommorrow bring to the overprudent dog burying bones in the trackless sand as he follows the pilgrims to the Holy City? And what is fear of need but need itself? Is not dread of thirst when your well is full, the thirst that is unquenchable? There are those who give little of the much they have - and they give it for recognition and their hidden desire makes their gifts unwholesome. And there are those who have little and give it all. These are the believers in life and the bounty of life, and their coffer is never empty. There are those who give with joy, and that joy is their reward. And there are those who give with pain and that pain is their baptism. And there are those who give and know not pain in giving nor do they seek joy, nor give with mindfulness of virtue; They give as in yonder valley the mrytle breathes into space. Through the hand of such as these God speaks, and from behind their eyes He smiles upon the earth. It is well to give when asked but better to give unasked, through understanding. And to the open handed the search for one who shall receive is joy greater than giving. And is there naught you would withhold? All you have shall some day be givn; therefore give now, that the season of giving may be yours and not your inheritors. You often say "I would give, but only to the deserving." The trees in your orchard say not so, not the flocks in your pasture. They give that they may live, for to withhold is to perish. Surely he who is worthy to receive His days and nights is worthy of all else from you. And he who has deserved to drink from the ocean of life deserves to fill his cup from your little stream. And what desert greater shall there be, than that which lies in the courage and the confidence, nay the charity, of receiving? And who are you that men should rend their bosom and unveil naked and see their worth naked and their pride unabashed? See first that you yourself deserve to be a giver, and an instrument of giving. For in truth it is life that gives unto life - whole you, who deem yourself a giver, are but a witness. And you receivers-and you are all receivers-assume no weight of gratitude, lest you lay a yoke upon yourself and upon him who gives. Rather rise together with the giver on his gifts as on wings; For to be overmindful of your debt, is to doubt his generoasity who has the free-hearted earth for mother, and God for Father. "A life is not worth living, except as it impacts on other lives." Jackie Robinson
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:25 am Expert@lol where did you get that trouble idea. Anynous, Yes, you can hate and like a person online when it comes to religion especially islam. i love the brothers and sisters that showed intrest and knowledge in islma, for the sake of Allah. I will hate a person who makes me worry about what i said, incase i got wrong islmaically. you see, it is emotional rather than phsical. I know i will never know any of you in real life, but remember whatever we write here can be count toward our ibada. Do you beleave if i post bad words it would be okey cuz is not real. Shou;ld we apply the islamic way to everything we do. salams
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:39 am MAD MAC----I KNEW THAT YOU DID NOT GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE QURAN. I TOLD YOU THAT WHAT YOU READ WAS NOT FROM THE QURAN, BUT FROM WHAT PEOPLE SAID, PEOPLE BY THE NAMES OF GIBRAN AND ROBINSON--WHICH DOES NOT EVEN SAY WHAT YOU SUGGESTED------THE QURAN SAYING CHARITY WORK DOES NOT NEED PURPOSE. MAD MAC, WHEN A PERSON GIVES CHARITY IN THE WAY OF ALLAH SINCERLY, NOT ONLY IS HE OR SHE GETTING REWARDS FROM ALLAH IN THIS WORLD AND IN THE HEREAFTER, BUT HE OR SHE GETS SATISFACTION AND HAPPINESS. BUT THE FACT IS THAT----GIVING CHARITIES IS ONE OF THE BILARS OF ISLAM.! IN ISLAM, GIVING CHARITIES AND HELPING OTHERS IS AN ORDER FROM ALLAH. I TOLD YOU THAT MAYBE WHAT YOU WERE READINGS CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT THE QURAN. BTW, THE QURAN DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF. YOU ARE WRONG; THE QURAN IS RIGHT.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:48 am Anynmous I am amuslim so it is not difficult to understand that i should have a good intention when i did give out somathing. but for godness sake what do you mean charities does need to have a porpuse. of course it does have a purpose.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:51 am ARAWELO-----YOU SAID TO EXPERT THAT WHAT HE SAID WAS A TROUBLE IDEA-----ABOUT THE LOVE-CONNECTION. I DO NOT THINK IT IS TROUBLE; IT IS JUST THAT IT IS IMPOSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE LOVE-CONNECTION WITH A LADY WHOM I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR DO NOT KNOW. I DO NOT DENY THAT I LOVE ALL MY FELLOW MUSLIMS. I DO NOT HATE THEM. I CAN NOT HATE SOMEONE I DO NOT KNOW. YOU SAID YOU HATE ME AND YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW ME.! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME. YOU WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY ONLINE AND THIS MAKES YOU HATE THEM. I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT AND I DO NOT HATE ANYONE HERE. TO HATE YOUR FELLOW MUSLIM IS NOT GOOD. I DO NOT THINK MY INTENTION IS TO MAKE YOU WORRY AND I DO NOT THINK I DID ANYTHING WRONG TO YOU. YOU SAID YOU DO NOT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE REPEAT THE WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN ISLAM. I SAID IF YOU HATE THE TRUTH BE REPEATED THAT IS PROBLEM. IT IS UNISLAMIC TO NOT LIKE THE TURTH.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:57 am but that is not what is said for godness sake. again, do you have your own ways of dealing with islam do not you see what i said. about expert i think at least it is strange to say. ( but leave it as it si)
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:02 am ARAWELO----I SAID YOU SHOULD HAVE GOOD INTENION WHEN GIVING CHARITIES AND THAT IS THE INTATION TO PLEASE ALLAH SO YOU WOULD GET REWARDS FROM ALLAH. IF I INVITE NEEDY MUSLIMS TO MY HOME AND GIVE THEM RICE AND MEET, MY INTATION IS TO PLEASE ALLAH AND HELP THEM SO I CAN EARN REWARDS. YES, CHARITIES HAVE PURPOSES AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF PLEASING ALLAH (GIVING CHARITIES IN THE WAY OF ALLAH) AND FOLLOWING THE ORDERS OF ALLAH. GIVING CHARITIES IS ONE OF THE BILARS OF ISLAM, RIGHT?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:06 am Salama, typical somalimen ( no offence for the others)
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:13 am ARAWELO-----YOU SAID THERE IS NO NEED TO REPEAT THE TRUTH AND I ASKED WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE REPEAT WHAT THE MUSLIM SCHOLARS WRITE ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF WOMAN'S RIGHTS IN ISLAM. YOU SAID YOU HATE ME FOR THIS. I SAID I DO NOT THINK YOU HATE ME. IT IS UNISLAMIC TO HATE YOUR MUSLIM FELLOW WHO DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO YOU AND A PERSON YOU DO NOT KNOW. YES, I AGREE THAT IT IS STRANGE FOR EXPERT TO THINK THAT THERE IS LOVE-CONNECTION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:15 am ARAWELO----YES, I'M A TYPICAL SOMALI MAN.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:26 am ANON AKA ASAD LOOSER YOU give us some break, why don,t u just gotlost N leave here 4 the expert.......lol
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:28 am ANON2-----DO NOT MAKE ME LAUGH TOO MUCH. I'M FASTING IF YOU ARE NOT FASTING.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:30 am Anon First of all Gibran was a Muslim, a Lebanese mystic and poet. Read it and absorb it first. You didn't even address what he said. Tomorrow I'll give you the Islamic quotes in support that I promised. And "some guy named Robinson"??? That was the great Jackie Robinson. The incomparable one. Little side humor: "This is some fucked up repugnant ••••. I'm never forgiving your ass for this." "Jules, you ever hear the saying that when a man admits he is wrong he is immediately forgiven for all wrong doing. You ever hear that?" "Git the •••• out of my face with that ••••. Motherfucker who said that didn't have to pick up itty bitty pieces of skull on account of your dumb ass." "Jules there's a limit to the mount of abuse I will take, and right now I'm a race car and you've got me in the red and I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin' that it'S dangerous to have a race car in the red. I could blow." "Oh you could blow?" Yeah I could blow." "Well I'm a mushroom cloud layin' motherfucker motherfucker. Every time I touch brain I'm superfly TNT, I'm the guns of the Navarone. In fact, your the dumb motherfucker who should be on brain detail. We're switchin'. I'm pickin' washing windows and you're pickin' up this niggers skull." OK, name the flick. If you can I'll give you the religious connection.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:39 am MM, Moi Moron!!!hmmmm cher toi ne comprehend pas rein. Toi noir bete :-) ALors, why on earth you quoting from Gibran??? who cares what an idiot immigrant lebannese thinks!!!!!! See how moron you are!!!lol ANON: Do u ur self know how to cook those? To tell you the truth abti, i like middle eastern cooking and italiane :-) Somali is weird :-) Arawello, what it means to be a typical somali? the only somali male i m familiar with is my dad, n he is WOW. he cooks better than mum..lol
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:40 am MAD MAC----SOME GUY NAMED GIBRAN (MUSLIM OR NOT) DID NOT EVEN SAY WHAT YOU SUGGESTED------THAT THE QURAN SAYING CHARITY WORK DOES NOT NEED PURPOSE.! WHAT IS THERE TO ADDRESS IF IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KEEP SAYING YOU WILL GIVE ME WHAT WILL SUPPORT YOU AND I'M HERE TELLING YOU THAT THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING. I TOLD YOU THAT GIVING CHARITIES IS ONE OF THE BILARS OF ISLAM, RIGHT? ROBINSON (NON-MUSLIM OR NOT) WAS NO GREAT TO ME. THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT IS GREAT AND THAT IS ALLAH. BRING WHAT ALLAH (THE GREATEST) SAID AND I WILL AGREE WITH YOU.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:45 am MM, I have not seen ur last posting. Big Correction budy HE WAS A CHRISTIAN I M A POEM LOVER...DARE U TO MISREPRESNT THINGS
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:55 am IDEA--I CAN NOT COOK SAMBUUSI AND BAJIYE AND I'M A TYPICAL SOMALI MAN. I CAN COOK PASTA AND RICE, THOUGH. I ALSO MAKE THE BEST SOMALI TEA WITH MILK.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 12:04 pm I still can't get what i means to be a typical somali? i dont' know if i were a typical somali? all i know ppl make fun of me when i speak somali :-) and i don't mingle with that many somalis! so, am i typical somali? maybe yes...maybe no...who knows????
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 12:26 pm IDEA---I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS A TYPICAL SOMALI IS EITHER. I DO KNOW THAT I'M A SOMALI MAN AND I DO KNOW THAT WE SOMALIS ARE NOT HOMOGENOUS PEOPLE, NO ONE IS. BUT IF SOMEONE SAYS I'M A TYPICAL SOMALI, I'LL SAY TO HIM I'M. I DO NOT THINK A *TYPICAL SOMALI* IS A DEROGATORY NAME, IS IT----SPECIALLY IF IT IS COMING FROM ANOTHER SOMALI PERSON BY THE NAME OF ARAWELO?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 01:00 pm Okay, so the question goes back to Arawelo, sweetheart, what does it mean to be a typical somali???? MM, By the way i m a radical more than u think!!! and these are my proofs: 1) I am very democratic individual 2)your countryman Adam Smith deserves not to be called Father of Econ i rather find my countryman Hayley the great (lol) to be more interesting and intelligent!!! don't u agree with me GilGil :-) 3)I don't close my eyes in front of Truth 4)As serious as i can be but u still will always find me joking :-) ------------- --------------------u might understand bits of me-----------in ur way--------but u won't find---- -------------a moron part------- ----------------------okay white dude :-) Agree ANON: SOMALI GIRLS ARE THE BOMB...LOL i m getting here nuts...gotta leave...... salaam alaykum
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 01:20 pm IDEA-----YES, THEY ARE AND I KNOW THAT A SOMAL MUSLIM WOMAN IS GOOD FOR ME. I'VE NEVER DATED (NEVER HAD ILLEGAL SEX) WITH A SOMALI WOMAN. WHEN MY FUTURE SOMALI WOMAN COMES INTO MY ARMS, IT WILL BE ONLY IN MARRIAGE. I LIVED WITH AN AMERICAN LADY (MY EX-WIFE, A MOTHER OF MY 7 YEARS OLD SON) FOR ALMOST 6 YEARS, THOUGH.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 01:48 pm Too little knowledge is dangerous!! Preist Mad Mac Giving a chocolate to a kid is no sin. But when a christian preist does so to insult Islam then that is a sinful act and one that is to be abhorred. You raised the flag of freedom of expression. Fine. Go to Bonn or New York and say something about Israel. I even dare you now to do so on here!!! Crawling under the table? In Islam we believe in freedom of expression but up to the limit of another person's right to have that same freedom. This is supreme equality. So long as your deeds do not encroach on the freedoms of others, you can fly like a bird. As for your idiocracy in quoting Gibran and similiar elk, see my begining sentence. If you quote the whole world, it does not give credence to your christian sermons. And in any case, we know the motive. To: IDEA You could have asked your question of what the sheikhs were doing in a less cynical way. Our Sheikhs do not resort to deception and lies like the christian bigots. They preach Islam and the risala in the Mosques and Dugsis without trickery and falsehoods. Mad Mac and the other bigots in these pages who mouth christian propoganda round the clock are exactly like those we had in Somalia. Like them, Mad Mac is required to report everynight how many pages in Somalinet he has peneterated and the number of good intentioned Somalis he has engaged in the Cross Exchange!!
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 02:13 pm Idea, you lil pathetic procrastinator..lol..did you finish the paper? I'm seriously thinking of sending you to that SNA(Somalinet Addicts) therapy group. I need more patients, do u think ANON is a candidate? MM, are you suddenly getting intouch with your spiritual side? Tell me, you not inclined to sufism are you? Nah. I don't think so. After all, you are a capitalist and therefore can never turn away from the world. Expert, wht are u on? It is ramadhan so will give u a lil break. About that chemistry you were talking about, i'll ask you a few questions about the chemical reaction since you are the expert. Is it an endothermic or an exothermic reaction? Can you calculate the stoichiometry, enthalpy and entropy of the reaction? and while you at it, can you draw energy diagrams for the reaction? P.s idea, there is something wrong with my school account. will let u know once it is fixed.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 02:39 pm lol @ TLG, Hey ofcourse i finished both my take home exam and my final paper...n they are in my prof e-mail box. Thanks to Allah. The rest of the nite i m taking off...maybe see u in the chatline later on :-) Muslim Mac, Never meant to be cynical. But that just surprised me. Forgive my ignorance of what was occuring in Somalia. ANON: Wow, you are a dady! how nice. Are you a good father...or one of those who....i hate to just mention them!!!! TLG: ANON is the first customer in ur SNA :-) I think my friend francoise...will rank me the second...lol
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 03:50 pm Idea, Can't make to the chat tonight. My sorry behind is struggling with a lab report that is due in January. I want to get it out of the way so that I can have a worry free vacation. We'll talk more on e-mail once that stupid school server is up. I think I should get myself a hotmail account. Later girl.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:45 pm TRAUNTLABGIRL-----YOU SAID YOU ARE A THERAPIST WHO NEEDS MORE PATIENTS, BUT WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR QUALIFICATION IN THERAPY (DOCTOR OF PSYCHATRY)------ON SOMALINET.COM UNIVERSTIY? IF THE TRAINING YOU RECEIVED ON SOMALNET WERE GOOD, ONE OF YOUR EARLIER CANDIDATES (IDEA) WOULD HAVE BEEN CURED BY NOW, RIGHT? I MEAN HOW CAN A DOCTOR TREAT IF SHE IS ALSO ONE OF THE SNA? IDEA---YES, I'M AND I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE WHO YOU SAID YOU HATE TO MENTION. BTW, HOW MANY OF THEM DO YOU KNOW AND ARE THEY IN MEMEBERS OF YOUR FAMILY?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 06:04 pm A lot of psychiatric patients have real JINN in them. They need jinn bixin ruther than psychoanalitic treatments that produce no effective solution.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 06:31 pm LOL'S--------YES, I AGREE. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE SOMALI SAYING THAT GOES LIKE THIS: JINI NINKII (NAAGTII) KEENAA (KEENTAA) BIXIYA (BIXISA)?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 06:45 pm Idea. Yes. It is me who wrote that. What do you mean "it is your turn"?. Expert. How did you come up with your conclusion?. I thought I showed my appretiation to TLG. When did complementing a lady translated into love connection?.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 07:42 pm ANON. You brought the jinn INTO anonymous looking at your maahmaah(proverb). You need to find out a way to cure her lol. Don't forget she said "you are her favorite JINN".
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 07:52 pm FG: LOL...first allow me if that was really a true story, I m touched and wish you all the best of the best. On the other hand, if that was something you were dreaming off, hope you get it cuz you are such a kindheart muslim brother :-) The quote, unquote part----just forget about it. I was just testing how brilliant my friend was! ANON: my family members!!! that is a hard question.Cuz to know if they exist or not...will take me years. My family is one of the largest somali families. My Grandpa was very healthy...there is a rumor that he married more than 30 times :-)
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 07:54 pm lols i m cured now....thanks heaven thanks heaven man u did it at last...lol
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:18 pm Idea. Are you my old friend?. If yes, The story was part of the process we had in that thread remember lol?. I am surprised you tell me right now that "you are touched". What is that?. A delayed re-action for IID?. I am also touched little sis. By the way, I am not a dreamer but one who is inclined to the literal truth or a pragmatist who knows that the meaning of propositions lie in the observable practical consequences. That is why ANON has a proplem with EXPERT'S IDEA of love connections flying around. Does a realist ring a bell to you MY IDEA?. That is why I don't dream (in the cotext) the least. We grow up don't we?. And we stop fantasizing lol. And thanks. Any input on how to improve my straight-shooting character?. I sometimes feel naive doing that. wasalaamu caleykum.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:09 pm lol @ FG, I think i should only stick to my economic books, i never did well in that pyschology class :-) PLZ, DO disregard what i just wrote above :-) PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. And no, you are the BEST. Keep like that do not ever change ----honesty is the best policy----- maybe that is why i find you such an adorable muslim brother :-)
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:12 pm oh oh...Idea, you are introuble :-) You have a lot of explaining to do...lol. FG, don't worry about experts lil miscontrued observations. It looks like people can't exchange friendly words without someone's CNS going haywire.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:56 pm Idea Tell me he wasn't a Christian!!!! I need to do some research on this one. I had always been led to believe that he was a Muslim by my Lebanese friends. Typical Arab treachery!!! Muslim Mac So the only quotes that count come from the Qur'an? Now there's an open-minded intellectual approach to things. T-girl I don't know squat about chemistry, so I can't help you there. Sorry.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:10 pm Mad. The chemistry you know is this: "I am macist", "I have no idea if Allah exists", "I don't think Allah punishes", "I don't agree with this", You sound more like little wide eyed teenboy caught in the uncertainty of life. I hope you wake up. TLG. Sorry sis, I like your presentation of islamic subjects and the way you handle MAD&Galool. I hope you stay firm in your beliefs. It is my pleasure to be attached to a young lady like you in a misconstrued way. I will enjoy it while it lasts. Idea. Sis, what was that stressed pleases you decorated in the discussion lol?. Sis, I like you too, you are one of the best girls on the net. I am flattered if you think I am honest. What Allah knows about me is important for me. I hope I fit the profile you just gave. And I appreciate your sense of humour. see you guys later inshallah.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:20 am Preist Mad Mac Arab treachery indeed!! This proves the racism of your christianity. You have to insult your Lebanese freinds to prove your point! As for your point on quotes, I can only say grow! When you debate, quotes of Gibran and his elk dont give you a scoring grade. What matters is how you present a logical argument. And incidentally (guess!!) the Koran scores!!
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 05:59 am FG, and when that doesn't work, he turns to " but I beleive in the same God as you guys do" and " I have respect for Islaam and Somali culture". Anway, concerning your last comment, the feeling is mutual. You are like a walking quranic database, masha Allah. Now i know who to ask for help when I can't find an ayah. Remember me in your duas. oh oh...now expert will definitely organize a marital ceremony for us..lol Madmac, Knight in shining armour, I know you don't know jerk about chemistry. How about the spiritual question I asked u? ANON, lol @ somalinet.com unviersity. I didn't know u had such a great sense of humour. I thought you are the kind that bites...specially before ramadhan..lol. Idea hasn't had a therapy session yet. How do u expect her to be cured? As for me, does a physician heal him/herself? lols, you are right about the jinns...have you read the excorcist tradition in Islam by Bilal phillips? I'm hoping to read it in the summer. I heard it is a good read. Idea, where are you? Still recovering from last night's blunder?...lol. Muslim Mac, masha Allah bro/sis...keep it up.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:13 am Look Anymous, I forgive you for that. I must be oversensitiev, okey you are really my brother in faith. Idea; I am fascinated how you change you names, I ould not come up with one then I chose to use my birth one. Now I am thinking to use Hannah, cuz I want call my dougthr Insha allah Hannah, so i will keep for her. Mad Mac, I am really buzled know and I think as I mentioned before sufism is on the way. it is a pretty party of Islam. I love it.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:35 am TRAUNTLABGIRL------IN REAL LIVE, I'M DOWN TO EARTH GUY. MY FRIENDS THINK THAT I'M NOT THAT SERIOUS OF A GUY. MAYBE THIS MEDIAM OF COMMUNICATION MAKES ME SOMETIMES A MEAN PERSON (WHO BITES). I THOUGHT IDEA WAS ONE OF YOUR PATIENTS WHEN YOU SAID TO HER THAT YOU NEED MORE PATIENTS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TELLING HER TO RECRUIT ME INTO YOUR PROGRAM. AS FOR YOU, AT LEAST YOU KNOW YOURSELF-----YOU KNOW YOUR SYMPTOMS. I HEARD THAT THE FIRST CURE OF AN AILMENT IS TO RECOGNIZE YOUR PROBLEM. MOST ADDICTS DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE ADDICTS(LET ALONE WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEM----WHAT MEDICINE TO TAKE). SO, AS A DOCTOR, YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO CURE YOURSELF, RIGHT? EVEN IF YOU DO NOT GO TO ANOTHER DOCTOR, YOU WILL GET GOOD POINTS FROM YOUR PATIENTS WHICH WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO------THUS: JINI NINKII KEENAA BIXIAY.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:41 am what does SNA mean?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:54 am ARAWELO------MY SISTER IN ISLAM, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I DID TO YOU, I THANK YOU FOR FORGIVING ME, ANYWAY. IF YOU GET OVERSENSITIVE OR WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY ONLINE, THERE WILL BE MISUNDERSTANDING. SORRY ABOUT THE MISUNDERSTANDING.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:01 am Anon, You know I do not know much about islam and not many good musloms, and i am trying to learnt, but you know i still have my old ways. ( not really bad though) that is way it worries me if I got wrong , I do not mind when I talk about other issues and certainly like about women issue. but it comes to islam, i have to be very careful you know. Quite honest iam not that sensative. Anyway, what does SNA mean?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:22 am IDEA-----CAN I SAY THAT YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A TYPICAL SOMALI? SINCE YOU SAID YOU CAME FROM ONE OF THE LARGEST SOMAL FAMILIES AND SINCE YOU HAVE YOUR GRADFATHER'S BLOOD IN YOU (HE MUST HAVE PRODUCED MORE THAN 30 KIDS IF HE MARRIED 30 WOMEN)------DOES THIS MEAN THAT YOU ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GOOD NUMBER OF KIDS YOURSELF IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE FAMILY TRADITION? HOWEVER, DID YOU SAY YOU ARE IN COLLEGE DOING YOUR MASTERS? IF THAT IS THE CASE, I DO NOT THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS YOU WOULD LIKE SINCE YOU ARE IN YOUR LATE TWENTIES (AM I RIGHT?)------UNLESS YOU ARE MARRIED (OR DIVORCED) WITH KIDS ALREADY. I MEAN, I HEARD THAT WOMAN'S BIOLOGICAL CLOCK THICKS AS SHE REACHES IN HER 30's, SPECIALLY IF SHE HAS NEVER BEEN MARRIED BEFORE BY CHOICE. DO NOT YOU THINK IS IT A WASTE OF TIME TO LOOSE YOUR PRIME TIME WHEN YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL (KIDS AND SCHOOL)-----THAT IS IF YOU CAN FIND A MAN WHO WILL SUPPORT YOU?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:35 am ARAWELO-----I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT THIS WAY OF COMMUNICATION ONLINE IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO GET TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ISLAM; WHAT PEOPLE MEAN WHEN THEY WRITE THINGS. SO TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WRITE, IN ANY ISSUES, WILL CREATE PROBLEMS. BESIDES THE MISUNDERSTAND IN THE WAY PEOPLE COMMUNICATE ON HERE, PEOPLE WHO COME HERE REALLY ACT IN DIFFERENT WAY THAN IN REAL LIVE. I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT ISSUES. SISTER, I'M NOT SAYING TO YOU BE IMPERVOIUS TO CORRECTION OR DON'T POINT OUT THINGS OR DO NOT VOICE YOUR OPINION. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT IS BETTER NOT TO GET SERIOUS ON SOMALINET.COM/FORUM. WHAT DOES SNA MEAN? EVERYONE WHO COMES HERE AND POSTS OR READS MESSAGES IS SNA-------SOMALI--NET--ADDICT.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:21 pm Sometimes you guys wear my ass out. I'm tired now so I hittin' the rack and watching some fights on the tube. I'll respond tommorrow.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:29 pm MAD MAC-----YOU SAID THE SAME THINGS YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE THAT------THAT YOU WILL RESPOND TOMMORROW! I'M STILL WAITING FROM YOU TO BRING WHAT YOU SAID WILL SUPPORT YOUR SAYINGS.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 02:32 pm Anon: You still didn't define the term " a typical somali" for me, accordingly I don't know whether my grandfather was a typical somali or not. All that i heard about my grandfather(may allah bless his soul)was that he was a very religious person and an excellent businessman, infact one of the best in his time. And yes, he had as i have heard 90 children unfortunately two-third died enfants and the rest maa-shaa-allah are to my eyes a model for a big muslim family. And about me, I am not my grandfather though that will be a bliss if i were as half religious, kindhearted, generious muslim as he was. Even if i got married as young as 15 still i wouldn't be able to have that many kids as he did. And definitely for me being now 25yrs old should make me start thinking of starting my own family. But for a person like me marriage itself is not important as finding the suitable husband. For a person like me who has never married,never dated (cuz i believe that is totally wrong) and is getting her family's support to go for her PHD first, the man that is gonna change my mind i think should be a little more talented in convincing me otherwise. And, no i don't think what i m doing right now is a waste of time, as an economist i would rather define it as human investment. If Allah wrote for me that i will/ will not get married, then, i will be grateful to whatever Allah has chosen for me.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 02:46 pm Idea I hope this question is not too personal, but at what age do you exactly plan to marry?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 03:14 pm lol @ sweetgirl I don't know!!! could be tommorow, could be next year, could be never :-) But i hope the last possibility never happens :-) what do u think sweetgirl? when is the best age to get married?and when are you gonna marry? :-) MM, To the best of my knowledge he is christian. I must admit that he was a great poet. I did post something for him in the somali literature forums by the title "Two wishes" check it, that was a really great. I myself enjoy reading pre-islamic poetry, that is fasinating n the one that i think is so funny is Umru Al-qeys (i hope arabic speakers will agree with me)
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 03:26 pm I think the perfect age to get married is 21, I still have two and a half years to go.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:23 pm sweetgirl, It is good to get married at a young age, i am not against that. But i believe that there is no perfect age or imperfect age for someone to get married. The most important thing to look for is do we complete each other's personality, can we be the perfect couple that fear Allah, can we be close to each others hearts to a degree that one can do what the other wants before he/she speaks...etc.I could be naive but that is what i think is right. On the other hand, sweetgirl you are almost the age of my youngest sister...i hope you are doing well in school...n don't worry ur beautiful head about that...when mr right comes (whenever that is) believe me you will know :-)
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:26 pm Idea and Sweetgirl, is it the "girls reveal their ages" night?lol. Arawello, how about you sis? Don't you wanna join the party?lol. Whoever said, never ask a lady her age. Idea...lol...lol...lol...I'm about to pass out. I think i'm going to e-mail Francoise and tell her why u are very likely to get less than an A in that exam. How are the preparations for that exam by the way? Didn't I ban you from the forums till Monday? what kinda role model are you? ANON, Idea is not a patient yet, I was debating whether she needs therapy or not...I'm leaning towards a conclusion that asserts she needs it. As for me, having the tools to cure myself doesn't really do me much good. Getting experience from your patients is one thing. Going the extra mile to do something about your addiction is totally a different ball game. I don't see how u arrived at the conclusion "JINI NINKII KEENAA BIXIAY." What is the jini in this context? am I right to assume that it is the addiction? If so, who brought the jini? Is it the doctor or the patient?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:34 pm Idea thanks luv you're such a sweetheart. what about you TLG don't you want to join the party?
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:57 pm Idea. You pushing the perfect mate too far. There is no perfect mate in this world as we know. There are bad characteristics in every man and woman. Some of the characteristics are unacceptable and others can be forgiven depending on how much wieght they carry on the negative scale. That is why the muslim man was told to look at what he likes about his wife rather than what he dislikes about her. Relationship is an uphill struggle between a wife and a husband. A continous struggle for life if they want to stay together. How will they deal with each other in times of anger, in times of despair, in times of wealth, in times of sickness and etc. One can understand why true relationship starts after marriage looking at the odds of life. You can't learn all that from someone you like without getting married to him. It is fifty fifty chance. Premarital getting-to-know courtships don't give someone a true picture of one another. Everybody puts up a window dressing character to please the other. Add that the chance of playing foul due to being alone with each other. I think there is easy way to select a mate for life. Prayer does it. To pray for the quasi perfect mate to knock your door. If you talk to married people they would tell you to wait for your fate and not worry about the future husband or wife. It can't be but that is the fact. Destiny is the main factor in life. Patience must be one's companion to beat the odds: "3.200 O you who believe! Persevere in patience and constancy; vie in such perseverance; strengthen each other; and fear Allah. that you may prosper." Parents can also play a role in their children's selective proccess. A girl needs to confide in her relatives if they are good people and are not biased against any muslim. Otherwise they are nothing but a disaster in the girl's life. They can check out the man you like for you. The chance of finding a good man is as much difficult as it is to find a good woman. There is shortage in all products lol.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 05:37 pm gallant, Thanks brother (i hope i m right).I agree with all you said. sweetgirl...thanks :-) TLG, I m tired of all these weird equations, don't worry francoise knows how bad her friend is! Back in the good old days...she used to do all the assignments and moi just put my name on it :-)
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 05:39 pm gallant, but at the same time...i don't agree...lol
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 06:14 pm Sweetgirl..lol sis...I'm somewhere in btn you and Idea... more towards Idea...lol. BTW, do u want the translation to that urdu/hindi stuff?lol Idea, I'm disapointed :-( But, I know you are a bright chicy and will deliver the A, insha Allah.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 07:30 pm TRAUNTLABGIRL------AS A SELF-DECLARED DOCTOR, IF YOU ARE GIVING SOMEONE (IDEA) AN ADVICE, SHE COULD BE ALREADY YOUR PATIENT-----DIDN'T YOU BAN HER (IDEA) FROM THE FORUM TILL MONDAY? AS FOR YOU, I SAID YOU ALREADY KNOW YOUR SYMPTOMS----THE FIRST CURE OF AN AILMENT IS TO RECOGNIZE YOUR PROBLEM WITH THE SYPTOMS---WHICH IS GOOD. WITHOUT THIS REALIZATION, THE PROBLEM WOULD NOT GO AWAY---WHICH IS BAD. YOU HAVE THE TOOLS AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE ADDICTION (THE PROBLEM) DOES TO OTHERS. JINI NINKII KEENAA BIXIYA MEANS YOU (AS A DOCTOR) RECOGNIZED (DISCOVERED) THE JIN IN PEOPLE (THE ADDICTION IN YOU ALSO). THERE ARE OTHERS WHO DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY HAVE JIN IN THEM, BUT YOU DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A JIN IN YOU AND YOU KNOW THE STEPS TO TAKE FOR THE CURE. SINCE YOU DISCOVERED (KEENTEY) THE JIN (THE ADDICTION), YOU CAN CURE IT (BIXIN). DOCTORS CAN CURE THEMSELVES, CAN'T THEY NOT? THE JEWS IN MADINA ONCE HAD THE PROPHET UNDER SPELL. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM UNTIL ALLAH SENT ANGELS TO INFORM THE PROPHET WHAT THE JEWS DID TO HIM AND THE ANGLES TOLD AND SHOWED THE PROPHET WHERE THE SPELL WAS AND HOW TO CURE HIMSELF. THE PROPHET DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO TO GET OUT OF THE SPELL (THE MAGIC, THE SIXIR). HE CURED HIMSELF, BY THE WILL OF ALLAH. SO, YES, A PATIENT CAN CURE HIMSELF OR HERSELF IF HE OR SHE RECOGNIZES THE AILMENT AND THE SYMPTOMS. EVEN SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING SOME KIND OF ADDICTIONS DO CURE THEMSELVES TOO BY EXERCISING SOME KIND OF DICIPLINE (SELF-CONTROL)---WITHOUT EVER GOING TO A SHRINK.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 08:17 pm IDEA------IF HE WAS A SOMALI, HE WAS A TYPICAL SOMALI, RIGHT?------AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY, HE WAS AN OLD FASHIONED TYPICAL SOMALI. YES, MAY YOUR DUCA AND THE DUCA OF HIS OTHER OFFSPRINGS REACH HIM----THE 90 CHILDREN----MAY ALLAH GIVE HIM HEAVEN AS FOR YOU, I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT I DO NOT THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS YOU WOULD LIKE WHILE YOU ARE PURSUING THE PHD. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU; I'M SAYING THAT IS YOUR CHOICE BY BEING SINGLE IN SCHOOL------UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ANY OFFERS(MARRIAGE PROPOSALS FROM MEN WHO FOUND YOU ATTRACTIVE--INTELLIGENT-----WHO COULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT FOR YOU) I SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU SAID MARRIAGE ITSELF IS NOT IMPORTANT AS FINDING THE SUTABLE HUSBAND--------ARE YOU SAYING THE ONLY MEN WHO SOUGHT YOUR HAND ARE THOSE WHO LACKED TALENTS AND DID NOT MEASURE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS? OR YOU DO NOT THINK YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT ALL (BEING A MOTHER; A STUDENT; A WIFE) AT THE SAME TIME OR DO YOU NOT THINK YOU CAN HANDLE THIS AT ALL? I KNOW WOMEN WHO HAVE IT ALL AND ARE CAPABLE OF JUGGLING THE TASK OF BEING MOTHERS; STUDENTS; WORKERS AND WIVES. ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE YOU WILL GET WHAT IS WRITTEN FOR YOU OR THE DESTINY (THE CALAF---OR THE TAWAKUL), I ALSO BELIEVE EXERCISING THE WILL TO DO THINGS------THE SEIZING OF THE MOMENT WHEN IT COMES TO YOU. WE ALL LOOSE (WASTE) OUR TIME (OUR MOMENTS) SOMETIMES WHEN WE COULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THEM.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 07:45 am Gallant that was a nice bit, satisfaying. But there is shortage of all products! LOl Idea, What is up sister wht is this PHD you are talking about? But you are rigth you do not get married cuz you want the title ( !) it must be someother reasons to start with at least. and I also think it does not matter how many men asked you out but it is important that you want them. ( is it unislamic) darling be a bit remantic and tell us some news. I do not like studying ...... of course we need to study but you know life is not only studying. I went uni but left after my first year wanted to marry my ex-fiance( unislamic again) but my family did not agree cuz he was scotich, though muslim. there you go iam here did not go back to study.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 09:27 am The conectoin is growoing between ANON and Idea.TLG and FG pretending but difintley conncetion is there.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 09:28 am Expert what about others.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 09:58 am EXPERT-----YES, AS ANONYMOUS ASKED----WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER LADIES I'M COMMUNICATING WITH ON THIS PUBLIC FORUM AND I? FOR EXAMPLE, ARAWELO AND I. I MEAN, THERE IS NO MORE *HATE* BETWEEN HER AND I, RIGHT? AS AN EXPERT IN LOVE-CONNECTION, DO YOU SEE NOW THERE IS LOVE-CONNECTION IN THAT TOO?
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 11:48 am Expert this is the Islamic forums please don't play matchmaker in here, it's not appropriate.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 03:27 pm Arawello, lol @ "fascinated how i come up with names" :-) Girl were you talking about my e-mail...i mean the names that i wrote at the bottom! the first one was my real name, the other two are the nicks that i use here so that i make sure you know who was e-mailing you :-) And, about PHD thing, i hope you don't have a father like mine :-) he thinks if i didn't get that degree by 28...i will be a traitor :-) i am just trying to keep up with his hopes for me...he is such a nice guy, i don't wanna break his heart :-) expert, I can forgive you for making fool of me, but i will never ever forgive you if you pursue again your weird game theory! ANON: lol...lol...lol man have u considered of a career change. I thought those who deal with computers are programmed just going within limits and the idea of playing at the outer space freaks them! And, no they didn't lack talents, they lacked the right spell...u know like the novel of midnight summer dreams of Shakespeare...n me acting weird like jane Austin's main female character of pride and prejudice :-)
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 07:02 pm IDEA-----I DON'T THINK I WANT TO CHANGE MY CAREER TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT----THE EXERCISING OF THE WILL TO DO THINGS------THE SEIZING OF THE MOMENT WHEN IT COMES TO YOU----SO YOU WOULD NOT WASTE PRECIOUS OPPORTUNITY------WHERE YOU COULD ENJOY, PRODUCE AND AS WELL AS STUDY IN YOUR PRIME TIME. HOWEVER, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHANGED (IF I COULD) IS TIME------BACK TO THE FUTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIVED OR EXPERIENCED THE KIND OF LIFE YOUR GRANDFATHER LIVED-----IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN-----WHERE I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MARRY AS MANY WOMEN AS I COULD----LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 09:02 pm ANON: lol...you want your own hareem :-)wow! I think i might manage that for you if i ever opened my business that i told you about before LooooooooL however, after calculating the costs and benefits i think 10% is way too much, any discounts! :-)
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 10:44 pm IDEA-----I'LL GIVE YOU BETTER THAN DISCOUNT; I'll GIVE YOU CONSULTATION--FREE OF CHARGE THIS TIME. YOU SEE, IN BUSINESS, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST RULE OF OPENING BUSINESS IS TO ESTABISH CREDIBIBILITY----WHERE YOUR CUSTOMERS CAN TRUST YOUR EXPERTISE OF WHAT YOU ARE SELLING. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE SELLING SOMETHING, YOU MUST HAVE SOME KNOWELDGE AND EXPERIENCE OF THE THING YOU ARE SELLING. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE WENDIES COMMERCIAL ON TV----WHERE THE OWER (DAVE THOMAS) IS SELLING HIS PRODUCT (HIS BURGERS) WHILE EATING? YOUR CUSTOMERS WOULD NOT TRUST YOU IF THEY SEE YOU HAVING NO MAN IN YOUR LIFE-----THEN, YOUR BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE SUCESSEFUL. BUT IF THOSE LOOKING (THE SINGLES) FOR THEIR SOUL MATE (THEIR MATCH) WHO YOU WANT THEIR BUSINESS SHOULD SEE YOU HAVE SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIP FOR YOURSELF FIRST----I MEAN, YOU NEED TO FIRST FIND A MAN FOR YOURSELF BEFORE ESTABLISHING THE BUSINESS OF MATCH MAKING. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THEN LET ME KNOW-----I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO REDUCE THE 10%, OKAY? I'LL BE YOUR FIRST CUSTOMER THEN. IF YOU CAN DELIVER AS MANY WOMAN AS I WOULD LIKE, THEN WE ARE EVEN-------I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE 10% OF YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ASK ME TO GIVE YOU FEE FOR YOUR SERVICE-----AGREE? BUT FIRST THING FIRST---GET A MAN FOR YOURSELF, FIRST.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 12:39 am Anon Fair criticism. I meant to pull out my Qur'an and look it up, but I left it at work (I read it on the train a lot and sometimes I leave it at work). So, please accept my humble apologies. I will look it up next week. Don't let me forget.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 02:34 am Anon: okay i think what you are saying has elements of truth in it :-) Definitely, i will get a man for myself, i am way too intelligent to not seize a good opportunity when i see it...you know i've been trained to do so :-) But at the same time, I do believe in Allah and i don't see him infront of me, does that make my belief in Him less credible, No. Right? :-)
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 02:38 am MM, did i tell you that someone here in the net thinks that regardless of all you bad qualities that you are a honest man. Plz stop your arrogance and take advantage of what you have in your hands, life is way too short for us to be idiots.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 03:23 am On the authority of Abu Huraira (ratiyalaahu canho) who said: the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:" Each person's every joint must do a charity everyday the sun comes up: to act justly between two people is a charity, to help a man with his mount, lifting him onto it is a charity, a good word is a charity, every step you take to perform prayers is a charity, and removing a harmful thing from the road is a charity" Maa-shaa-allah :-) Thanks all of you for the good Naaseeh (advise). May all of you be Allah's guests in his paradise, amiin. :-) salaam alaykum
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 03:43 am Idea, Jazaaka lah kheyran for the hadith , it is realy good. Yeh, i understand about your father wanting you to have PHD, and i think to have yourPHD at the age of 28 is excellent. you can get married after that. me I am sure my father encouraged my sisters to get good education which they have, alhamdulilah. but i have not seen him for a long time. infact it was in my earl teens when i last saw him. then i was with my aunt who more or less would push you getting married soon posible. But now I am not with her anymore it is more likely that i would not get married soon. but when i thinnk again, it is good to get merried. it is safe, and i think we sometimes need male companion so it is good to be married. I think that is why in islam, it is encouraged to get married at young age. you know now iam digging up the beuety and the real meaning of Islam.eventhough, i am a muslim born.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 06:00 am Idea , MM does not have bad qualities but he is arrogant. Soory Dude! you are arrogant!
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 09:38 am I being following you debates and exchenge ideas, however, it seems that non of you have an ideas how to speak eacher others in respect way in order other people can respect you(i mean it non somalis). And plz be carefully when you talking about subjects related relegion matters. The other thing i would like to tell you is if u what to call different name call youselfs respectable names......... And remember love isnot a ward is an ac, wish you all the best. Basrah.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 09:42 am Basra, what is so unrespectable about our current names?
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 11:32 pm Hannah I plead no contest
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 01:33 am Hannah, sweety, he is suffering from heart blindness :-( he claims that he reads Quran (what is in his hands) and still he says "i plead for no contest" May Allah guide you my brother in humanity :-) and be the first winners of Allah's paradise.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 03:48 am IDEA------I'M SURE THE MAN WHO MARRIES YOU IS GOING TO BE A LUCKY GUY. MAD MAC----TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT REMEMBER THAT EVERY TIME YOU VISIT THIS THREAD I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU ABOUT IT.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 03:59 am Fair enough. I have not forgotten sahib.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 10:25 am ANON: Is that a compliment or another of ur la-maa maa :-) Thanks.Shukran.Mahadsanid.Merci
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 10:34 am IDEA------BOTH AND YOU'RE WELCOME.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:14 am ANON: Tell you something, i think you were right after all...ie a moumin can be a practising muslim and non-practising muslim :-) For Allah's sake do u have a phd in Sharia :-) I did find a certain definition, would you care giving me, first, yours, please :-)
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 01:00 pm Idea Please, don,t stard again this subject or...all the name calling will came back..........if u N Anon AKA known Asad....Hit on each other.....u guys can say so whit out saying you right...about some thing he mess up whit!!!! don involve the Sharica involve your Talk......cuz I don,t Agree whit Anon about That Topic...... your sis
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 01:56 pm IDEA------I'M GLAD THAT YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE TRUE SENSE OF WHAT A MUMIN IS. BTW, I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION OR NOT-----WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT------FINDING A CERTIAN DEFINITION? ANON2------IT IS OKAY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AND IT IS OKAY WITH ME IF YOU START THE NAME CALLING AGIAN. EITHER WAY, I WILL NOT GET MAD. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME IS THAT, I DON'T EMPLOY NAME CALLING WHILE I'M FASTING AND WHILE I'M NOT FASTING-------BUT YOU DID EMPLOY NAME CALLING WHILE FASTING, RIGHT-----ON Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 04:26-----WHEN YOU SAID TO ME-----AKA ASAD LOOSER, DIDN'T YOU? SINCE YOU KNOW THE SHARIA, WHAT DOES THE SHARIA SAY ABOUT NAME CALLING WHILE FASTING, ANON2?
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 03:04 pm Ano2, stop acting like a confused teen boy/girl. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussions then give your sorry little fingers some rest. You are becoming abusive to these individuals now. Grow up.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 04:27 pm ANON: Please leave out the part of certain definition, But i would like to know what did u mean by a moumin could be a non-practising muslim or practising muslim.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 05:37 pm IDEA-----WHAT DO I MEAN BY A MUNIN BEING A PRACTICING AND NON-PRACTICING MUSLIM? FOR EXAMPLE, A PERSON WHO DOES NOT PRAY COULD STILL BE A BELIEVER OF ALL THE ARKAANUL IMAN AND NOT PERFORM THE PRAYERS; HE OR SHE CAN STILL STEAL, CHEAT AND LIE; IN OTHER WORD, HE OR SHE IS NOT PRACTICING CERTIAN THINGS IN ISLAM WHILE ANOTHER MUSLIM (MUMIN----A BELIEVER OF ALL THE ARKANUL IMAN) DOES HIS OR HER PRAYERS, DOES NOT CHEAT, STEAL OR LIE. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS FACT AND FOUND OUT WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU WERE CORRECT!
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 05:49 pm okay. from where did u get ur islamic education bro?
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:04 pm IDEA------I USED TO ATTEND MASJID TAFSIIR HALAQA BACK HOME. I STILL ATTEND TEACHING AND LEARNING IN MASJIDS WHEN I HAVE TIME. I NEVER MISSED JUMCA SALAAT LECTURES (QUDBAS). I NEVER ATTENDED ISLAMIC SCHOOL, BUT I ATTENDED QURANIC SCHOOL (DUGSI) WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AS ALMOST ALL THE KIDS I GREW UP WITH DID IN MOGADISHU AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. I READ AND I HAVE ISLAMIC BOOKS AND THE QURAN AT HOME. YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A SCHOLAR TO KNOW WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED ABOUT BEING A MUMIN UP THERE; IT IS ELEMENTRY.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:07 pm it is elementary, but needed to know ur background.that is all. pardon me.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:20 pm IDEA-------SORRY IF MY TONE SOUNDED LIKE CONDESCENDING. I DID NOT MEAN IT. BTW, I MEANT TO SAY I DO NOT MISS INTENTIONALLY JUMCA SALAAT LECTURES (QUDBAS). WHEN I'M TRAVELING, I DO MISS THE JUCA SALAATS SOMETIMES.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:27 pm Hey bro ANON: i am waiting for a sis in the chatline, why don't u come to the somaliland room.My nick is the bottom of the list. ps: if that seems rude, plz accept my apology, no harm walaahi intended :-)
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:36 pm IDEA-------I DO NOT THINK IT IS RUDE, BUT I'M AFRAID ANON2 AND EXPERT WILL HAVE A FEILD DAY ABOUT YOUR INVITATION TO ME TO THE CHATLINE.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 02:19 am LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl Asad N Idea Idea sis you don,t have 2 hide your feeling...be up front, that is what I was keep telling u all this time....tel the guy how u feel......whit out saying he is right some thing he was wrong about...........that line of Shukaansi is Haram sis........N don,t try Again!!!!!!!!!! Good luck u 2
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 02:59 am Anon2. Sister, I have talked to you twice before. ANON is my friend. Although I haven't seen him I talked to him a lot. He is a good guy in many aspects. If you disagree with him on a religious matter, do what is islamic. That is: A- tell him in private where he is wrong and give him the evidence as well. B- If you like to write your difference on the discussion board, you can also do that by writing what is correct. I think you are stepping over your bouderies by going after those two people namely ANON and IDEA. Why does it bother you?. Grow up will you?. You are embarrassing us all. this is ASAD'S E-mail if you want to settle your case with him jama20@yahoo.com. Take your arguments over there if you truly wanna settle the case with him.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 03:35 am F.G. Doesn't he sound like a lousy Kufaar? I can see how that would be embarrassing. This is Islam net, not the General net. Even I tone it down here. You know, the internet just isn't what it used to be. Damn Kufaars!!! Criminy, every year there's more and more of these things around (not to imply that you're one Anon2).
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 03:42 am Anon2: lol back to you too. Hey, my next move is hitting at Galool. Care to join?:-) By the way, have u seen me hitting at TLG as well...so many times i told her that she is sweet to my heart. Where were you, anon2? I am in a good mood now that my finals are over, so till i find a job I lend you my ears, sugar :-)
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:18 am Idea cam,on sis we r in (21sth century )we do not have find all those excuses about some one, we want know them more.... such as How Asad is wonderful who may have (A PHD in Sharica)......when the fact is he is said so many times he don,t know nothing about Islam......lol where were u then??? All I am saying is If u like him N want him 2 know more That is fine by me......but don,t make him something that he is far from it.......if u want do in (Private) tel him what he want heard but don,t over done it.....specially when it cames to (mumin)thing!!!! sis I stil like you!!!!!!!!!1 will u believe?...........lol FG I do respect u but I think now you r getting my nervous!!!!!If he is your friend do u think I care???? N about Idea she never bothers me... but what is bothering me......about the line she using ASAD.....saying that he know all the Sharica N Mumin could be beliver N disbeliever.......well I don,t agree that N they don,t give me a prove....So I am here 2 say stop Lying u 2......something u have no knowlage of....... Do u get me FG? N about embrrassing all of you.......who do u really think u r???looooooool.....FG u don,t expect me to keep quit when I see some wrong thing in order 2 keep your freindship??? or make u all happy??? well that is not going 2 happen!!!!!!!1 I will point out N is not personal infact Have nothing 2 do whit you.......so plze just have some Cold water. will you???? Mad Mac LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl who said I am he???? peace u all
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:31 am ORDER ORDER ORDER ORDER Where this personal conflict coming from. This is where the most decnt poeple are found. Say 'Acuudi bilahh mina shaitani rageem.' Anany2 , Pleas whoever you are pleas think again. You earning sin for some of the things wallahe. If it is an Islamic issue why state your facts and see wht they say. I am not really trying to annoy you or anything but trying to sort out things btw and remember shaitan can enforce you to write in an angry way. please forgive me if you did not like what I ahve said. Salamas
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:55 am anon2: sis, i like you too :-) but since when feelings could be changed into 111000000111100001111000 form!!! That could be one of the wonders of the 21st century that i didn't hear off :-) But still as i told you previously, i rather know someone in the conventional(face to face)way. Do u remember when we were arguing about it :-) I think you do, cuz i still hear you laughing at me n telling me to move on :-)
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 06:26 am Anon2. I am FG. That is who I think I am. You can solve this proplem by simply bringing the correct usage of the word Mu'min or the difference between muslim and mu'min. The case will be closed. You don't have to make the fiasco you are bent on to make. Do you think it is anyone's bussiness to keep taps on people if they want to talk to each other?. Not mine and Yours.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 07:49 am formerguest--------i prefer him or her (anon2) to settle his or her case (the difference between a muslim and a mu'min)-------on this public forums with me----not in privite. i also rather him or her to vent his or her beef on here. if he or she sends me email while empolying name calling, i'm not going to answer him or her. i told him or her before that it is okay with me if he or she employs name calling on here------fasting or not, i'm not going to return the favor in exchanging name calling, though. but i will laugh at him or her. ON Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 04:26 didn't anon2 said to me ASAD LOOSER while fasting? i asked him or her-----since he or she knows the sharia better than me, what does the sharia say about name calling (specially while fasting)--------he or she didn't get back to me on this!
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:10 am ANON: somalia was the republic of somalia or Somali democratic? which was the Title?
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:28 am Idea, I will drop you a line, check your mail now. salams
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 12:00 pm All It seems I missed a lot fun and games here. I don't believe I have heard of Anon2 before, but she sounds like one tough cookie! FG Now how do you deal with a maverick beardo(ess) who will not take orders? I am watching to see how you handle this! Asad What is it you do that so infuriates young turbans? Even you and Common had few scrapes over here. And don't be a coward. The lass invited you, so get in there man and don't be afraid of little teasing. Idea You can hit on me anytime you want! I like girls with `go getter' attitudes. But maybe not yet. I don't want asad to come after me!
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 02:22 pm galool------it is not my intention to make people infuriate and it is not my intention to make people like me. some insult me and some invite; others hate me and even you said afriad of me-----that i might come after you. i mean, i can not control the way people feel about me.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 03:16 pm Asad Welcome back sheikh. Looking forward to raising some issues with you after eid.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 04:09 pm Mr G!!! Dreammmmmmmmmmmmm Dream Dream Dream Dreammmmmmm Haataa lou kount akher haweed yaa camou :-) inta no
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 05:48 pm Galool---i'm looking forward to pointing out some of your *his story* too after eid.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 10:00 pm ANON: Ibrahim (calayhi al-saalatu waa al-salaam) had two sons: Issac from Sara and Ismail from Hager, right? Did, i hear you say that the original place of Jews is al-shaam,right?If so, then what were they doing in Egypt? By the way, where do u believe anti-christ is(al-daagaal)? Have u heard of the coming Mahdi at the end of time?Is it Jesus or someone the arabs have created? what is this whole story of a guy called Rashaad claiming (istaqfurlaah) as a prophet, have u heard of him? Where is the Yagoog n Magoog that the quran mentions are kept? Anyone can asnwer that, please. :-)
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 02:36 am idea-----i don't think you heard me say what you are claiming. first of all, ibrahim was no jew. as history reads, ibrahim went from iraq to shaam to egypt to palestine to arabia back to palestine then to iraq----which is believed to be where his burial is. ibrahim took his wife hagar with her infant son (ismail) to arabia from palestine and went back to there. ibrahim was promised for another son isaq. ismail was thirteen years older than his brother isaq. isaq as well as ismail had both twelve sons of their own. the sons of isaq are the children of israel and their birth place is in palestine and the sons of isaq are the children of arabs and their birth place is in arabia. israelis were made to wonder from place to place and egypt is one of the places where they happened to be one time under servitude. i don't think the israelis came from egypt as you are claiming. as for your other questions, i have no idea where the anti-christ (al-daagaal) is coming from or the mahdi. i've never heard a guy called rashaad claiming to be a prophet. do you mean claiming to be a messanger? i believe you can read Yagoog n Magoog in suratul kaaf.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 02:51 am I notice this thread isn't as heated as it had been a few weeks. Anyway, people Eid Mubarak! My job is done here.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 03:21 am MadMullah, Eid Moubarak to you to my muslim sister. ANON: Brother, i have just wrote what i read. I don't write history, by the way! And about Hagar, i believe that Ibrahim (calayhi al-salaatu waa al-salaam) took her from Egypt to Arabia. Not from Palestine. When i asked those questions i was looking for any kind of differences that might exist to what i know n to what ppl know (maybe i got the wrong source or something!). I believe that anti-christ, Allah has prisoned him somewhere near mountains of Yemen. He, at the end of time, will be set free n he show alot of miracles that will lead non-believers think that he is God. N i think that is when Allah will sent Ciisa (Jesus) to earth to kill him n spread again peace on earth, after that the Judgement day starts. Some ppl say that Ciisa will be on earth for three years while others say for 40yrs! I believe that the coming al-madi is Ciisa, while i have heard many stories claiming that he will be from Quresh (a story that i think is false while a sect in the Shii'a whom right now i don't recall believes in it) About Yagoog n Magoog, as u have read from Quran that they r a nation! whom will destroy earth and that there is a wall that Allah has built which separates us from them. And each week by Salaat al-Jumcaa that wall is being constructed again by orders of Allah! So, does that mean that r Jinns, right??? peace be upon all
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 03:30 am MadMullah, Eid Moubarak to you to my muslim sister. ANON: Brother, i have just wrote what i read. I don't write history, by the way! And about Hagar, i believe that Ibrahim (calayhi al-salaatu waa al-salaam) took her from Egypt to Arabia. Not from Palestine. When i asked those questions i was looking for any kind of differences that might exist to what i know n to what ppl know (maybe i got the wrong source or something!). I believe that anti-christ, Allah has prisoned him somewhere near mountains of Yemen. He, at the end of time, will be set free n he will show alot of miracles that will lead non-believers think that he is God. N i think that is when Allah will sent Ciisa (Jesus) to earth to kill him n spread again peace on earth, after that the Judgement day starts. Some ppl say that Ciisa will be on earth for three years while others say for 40yrs! I believe that the coming al-madi is Ciisa, while i have heard many stories claiming that he will be from Quresh (a story that i think is false while a sect in the Shii'a whom right now i don't recall believes in it) About Yagoog n Magoog, as u have read from Quran that they r a nation! whom will destroy earth and that there is a wall that Allah has built which separates us from them. And every week by Salaat al-Jumcaa that wall is being constructed again by orders of Allah! So, does that mean that r Jinns, right, wrong??? peace be upon all
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 04:10 am idea----you can beleive whatever history you want to believe--------even if it is from wrong source or something----as you said.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:08 am ANON: Hey brother, tell me if i was wrong. I respect your wisdom, sir.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:20 am Salaams all, Idea, see if you can get a hold of the following books on that topic. The story of the prophets by Ibn Kathir Signs of the day of judgement by ibn Kathir (This will answer all your questions on the Mahdi, the return of Jesus, Goog and magoog etc.) Also, on http://www.islaam.com. There is an audio lecture by Yahya Ibrahim on the anti Christ. I'll send you some stuff via e-mail.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:41 am idea-----if you say you respect me, those who are on your case (the watchers) will intrepret it to mean something else (love-connection) so it is better that you be careful with your words. anyway, i have my source and you have your source and Allah knows who is wrong. my source says ibrahim was in palestine and that was where he returned. my source says ibrahim to her to arabia from palestine. hagar was an servant of sarah who came from egypt. when ibrahim came to palestine, he married her and too her to arabia, then went back to palestine. in another time, ibrahim came to arabia see his son (ismail), but didn't find him in his home and left a messege with ismail's wife, then went back to palestine. then, the third time, ibrahim came to makah and found ismail. this time, father and son built the ka'ba. the 12 children of israel that isaq had were born in where isaq was born, but if you think they were born in egypt and that the israelis are egyptians, then that is what you believe, but i don't think this is true.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:53 am there was another time ibrahim came to arabia which the islamic history books say that i forgot to add. first time he came there, he brought his wife and his son and went back. he came to arabia to see his son (ismail) twice (second and thirth) which he could not find his son. then the fourth time he came there is when he and his son built the ka'ba.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 08:21 am TLG, I am trying to find books on that, thank you very much my beloved sister. ANON: Thanks my brother i will pay more attention to my wording from now on, insha-allah. But i hope you know that there is no ill intentions from my part. And May Allah forgive us all, amiin.
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| | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:57 am Idea Cayaratnii bishayib wa huwwa wiqaaru, Yaa leytahaa cayaratnii bimaa huwwa Caaru! Just joking! Still I can try can't I?
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| | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 05:06 pm Galool. You flip flop. Wasn't you who said "I consider myself WISE and not Old"?. Glad you admit now unless you flip back again lol.
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 08:46 am Galool, "cayaratnii bishayib waa huwaa wiqaruu, Yaa leytahaa cayaratnii bimma huwaa caaru" LOL, am i hear you saying: Alaa laytaa al-shaabaabu yacoudou yoowmaan, Fa'uqbirahu bimmaa facaal al-maasheybou :-) "Just joking!Sill I can try, can't I?" LOL, this is my reply: Naqiil fou'aadak maa istatact meen al-haawaa Maa al-houbou eel-laa lilhabibou al-awalee :-)
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 09:53 am I AM A MUSLIM AND GOD I PRAISE FOR ALL HIS BLESSINGS MY VOICE I RAISE IN ONE GOD I BELIEVE NO EQUAL HAS HE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE COMPASSIONATE TO ME MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET TAUGHT ME THE WAY TO BE HONEST AND TRUTHFUL THROUGHOUT EVERY DAY THE HOLY QU'RAN TO LIFE IS MY GUIDE IT'S TEACHING I FOLLOW BY IT I ABIDE ISLAM MY RELIGION PREACHES GOOD DEEDS MERCY AND KINDNESS TO THE RIGHT PATH IT LEADS UPON ALL HUMANITY GOD SHOWERS HIS GRACE REGARDLESS OF COLOR NATIONALITY OR RACE THROUGH WORKING TOGETHER OUR HOPES INCREASE TO LIVE IN A WORLD FULL OF LOVE AND PEACE I AM A MUSLIM AND GOD I PRAISE FOR ALL HIS BLESSING MY VOICE I RAISE
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 09:57 am Eid Greetings In Name Of Allah The Source Of Mercy To All Of Creation; The Source Of The Mercy To The Believing Congregation. Oh Allah Bless Muhammad’s Soul; And Rain Down Peace On His Household. Oh He Who Sends Blessings, Who Takes Care Of Each Need, By Your Beautiful Names, We Dutifully Plead; Bless Prophet Muhammad, And The His Best People and Kin; And Accept Last Months Fasting, And Pardon Each Sin. Write Us Down Amongst Those Who Will Make Hajj This year. Pour Your Treasures Upon Us. Keep Our souls Near, And Dear Have A Most Blessed Festival Of Nature Eidul Fitra Mubarak By Ali Abu-Talib And Family
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 10:00 am OK THAT ISN'T MY FAMILY, THOUGH I WAN'T TO POST THE POEM BECAUSE IT SENDS A NICE MESSAGE TO ALL HUMANITY, EVEN IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, JEWISH, AND HIDU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND EID-MUBARUK!
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 10:07 am To A Non-Muslim Woman When you look at me All that you can see is the scarf that covers my hair My words you can't hear because you're too full of fear, mouth gaping, all you do is stare You think it's not my choice in your own "liberation" rejoice. You think I'm uneducated, trapped, oppressed and subjugated, You're so thankful that you're free. But non-Muslim woman you've got it wrong You're the weak and I'm the strong. For I've rejected the trap of man. Fancy clothes - low neck, short skirt those are devices for pain and hurt. I'm not falling for that little plan. I'm a person with ideas and thought. I'm not for sale, I can't be bought. I'm me - not a fancy toy, I won't decorate anyone's arm, nor be promoted for my charm. There is more to be than playing coy. Living life as a balancing game - mother, daughter, wife, nurse, cleaner, cook, lover and still bring home a wage. Who thought up this modern "freedom"? Where man can love'em and man can leave'em. This is not free, but life in a cage. Always jumping to a male agenda competing on his terms. No job share, no creche facilities, no feeding and nappy changing amenities No time off for menstrual pain, "hormones" they laugh "what a shame" No equal pay equal skill your job they can always fill. No promotion unless you're sterilised. No promotion unless you're sexually terrorised. And this is liberation? Non-Muslim woman you can have your life. Mine - it has less strife. I cover and I get respected, surely that's to be expected, for I won't demean the feminine, I won't live to male criterion, I dance to my own tune and I hope you see this very soon. For your own sake - wake up and use your sight. Are you so sure that you are right? From a Muslim Woman
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 10:09 am I AM A MUSLIM GIRL BUT NOT A WOMAN SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THIS ISN'T MY POEM CAUSE I DIDN'T RIGHT IT.!
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