     anonymous2 | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 09:32 am
pleaze be honest whit yor feeling. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 09:35 am
Yes, Allah knows the best I do feel that.
I bit hesitate to say asad cuz he says he is Moslim. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 09:40 am
I will tell you onething. Before I started practising in Islam , Idid drama course. So, my honest feeling is though I amy be wroong there is role play here.
For may safety I will not say may name |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 10:03 am
"IS ANY OF YOU THINKING THAT THERE IS RELATHIONS BETWEEN, MAD_MAC,GALOOL AND ASD??"
i'm not. ;-)
"pleaze be honest whit yor feeling."
i'm. ;-)
"Yes, Allah knows the best"
yes, He does.
"I do feel that."
i do too. ;-)
"I bit hesitate to say asad cuz he says he is Moslim."
i'm not a moslim, but i'm a muslim. ;-)
"I will tell you onething. Before I started practising in Islam , Idid drama course. So, my honest feeling is though I amy be wroong there is role play here."
lol----->role play. ;-)
"For may safety I will not say may name"
are you afriad of people? ;-) |
| anymous 1 | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 10:10 am
You see asad who is stupid here. you have so other names.
and I will tell you you play the fundumentalist molim( as it is always accussed0 and Galool plays a non- somali muslim. and mad mac a westren.
who is fool here. i do not want reveal my user name but I know your writing both in somali and english. But iam not saying you are not a muslim
if you said you are yes you are. |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 10:19 am
"You see asad who is stupid here."
i do not know----who?
"you have so other names."
how do you know? ;-)
"and I will tell you you play the fundumentalist molim( as it is always accussed0 and Galool plays a non- somali muslim. and mad mac a westren."
i didn't understand what you said there. if you could repeat it again, then i will understand what you mean. ;-)
"who is fool here."
i do not know------who? ;-)
"i do not want reveal my user name"
why not? ;-)
"but I know your writing both in somali and english."
that is good. ;-)
"But iam not saying you are not a muslim"
i do not care. ;-) |
| Anoymous2 | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 10:44 am
Anon1
Thanks god I am not a lone to feel this way..but you said that (ASAD said that he is a Moslim) but if he is really a muslim why he don,t act like one???
Second Anon
I think your Darma course teachs how to see things in the right way..... have same feeling that there is Drama going on here....and some of the Players can,t hide their roles anymore.
This is my honest judgement...and Allah (swt) knows the best.
Glool=Mad-Mac and atleast we know this 2 achrecters are Kufars...so what ever they came up....we can be ready for them.
But, how about some one who you think is your Br in Islam.....yet you can,t figure out...
for example.
1-ASAD tries to answer every single islamic Question...whit no Proof what so ever..and when some one tries to explain thinks better, he creates an argument which is irrelevent to that Topic.basicly he confuses ppl.
2-Asad answers, the Islamic Questions in a worest possible way...eg some one said( can a husband rape his wife? any one can tel that...this person means do the husband Allows to rape his wife? and we can tel this person searching for knowlage of Islam...any one knows what ASAD answer to this person???????? HE said YES!!!!!!!!!!
3-This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON) want know what is the meaning of (MUmin) if you want find out.....how ASAD explain MUmin.........go and Visit ...the page call (Somali Jews) when I read his explaination..Walaahay I almost cray..cuz this guy can misguide us.... may Allah (swt) help us ...thank to sis Hakima.....who very well knows what means to be MUMIN!!!!
4- Asad, never ever admits he is wrong...who can be right all the time but Allah(swt) no one.
OKi.....he may say I am always right if he have any knowlage of Islam...and he bring whit proof..but this guy keep saying I don,t know ISLAM....
SO why he, keep giving responds some thing he have no knowlage of???? I can go on.but Iam bit tried.......so I will contenue....MY STUDY ON ASAD!!!!!!
Ok....I could be wrong all of this ..but atleast this is the way I see things...cuz i believe every one can get things wrong..but Allah(SWT)
MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL AND GIVE US HIS FORGIVENESS.AAMIIN!!!!!!!!!
keep the Peace all |
| Galool | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 11:25 am
To all
Somali cynicism at its' most basic but still beautiful enchanting. I must admit though, I do feel slightly insulted to be confused with asad!
And hey what about FG? Don't you think he is still "me" in yet another disguise?
Asad
I feel sorry for you. Even the minor beardos don't like you anymore! But don't despair, I think Hakima has something going for you. Remember what I said earlier about the concept of Repulsion and Attraction. |
| Anonymous2 | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 11:41 am
Galool or MAD
How do you feel now we know you????????
"I do feel slightly insulted
to be confused with asad!"
So, you don,t like your friend any more????? I do admit that your points are much and more clearer than ASAD when you making debates about other issues.......but when it cames to ISALAM you simly lost it!!!!!!!
"And hey what about FG? Don't you think he is still "me" in yet another disguise?"
You can compare no one in here whit Formerguest.......he shoots the truth to kill when it cames to ISALAM....simply he is the the BEST!!!! Galool?MAD? isn,t that the reasons, why you always avoid to have an argument whit a Formergues, you can,t beat the guy......not only that but he make sure put your nonsense to END!!! unlike ASAD who permotes your nonsense!!!!!! FG and Common deserves to get A prize!
peace all |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 11:51 am
"Somali cynicism at its' most basic but still beautiful enchanting."
lol-------beautiful enchanting. ;-)
"I must admit though, I do feel slightly insulted to be confused with asad!'
the feeling is mutual. ;-)
"Asad I feel sorry for you."
don't be. i enjoy the beautiful enchanting. ;-)
"Even the minor beardos don't like you anymore!"
i know i make lot's people unhappy, including, galool. ;-)
"But don't despair, I think Hakima has something going for you."
and i've something for her. ;-)
"Remember what I said earlier about the concept of Repulsion and Attraction."
isn't this concept of yours one of the beautiful enchantings i receive? who said that all cynicism and suspicion are all humour in ill-heath? ;-) |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:06 pm
"ASAD tries to answer every single islamic Question...whit no Proof what so ever"
i think it is the other way around. i do not answer; i ask questions and proof. ;-)
"and when some one tries to explain thinks better, he creates an argument which is irrelevent to that Topic.basicly he confuses ppl."
people confuse themselves when they can't bring proof or can not answer the questions that are being asked. ;-)
"Asad answers, the Islamic Questions in a worest possible way...eg some one said( can a husband rape his wife?"
is this an islamic question? ;-)
"any one can tel that...this person means do the husband Allows to rape his wife?"
well, remember i can not read minds. i only answered the question which didn't say "can a husband rape his wife and is it allowed".
"and we can tel this person searching for knowlage of Islam"
how do you know that the person was searching for islamic knowledge? did you read his mind? ;-)
"any one knows what ASAD answer to this person???????? HE said YES!!!!!!!!!!"
and it is still yes to the question of can a husband can rape his wife----if someone else asks can a person kill another person, the answer still would be yes, he or she can. ;-)
"This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON) want know what is the meaning of (MUmin) if you want find out.....how ASAD explain MUmin.........go and Visit ...the page call (Somali Jews) when I read his explaination..Walaahay I almost cray"
lol-------->walaahay i almost cry. ;-)
"cuz this guy can misguide us"
lol.
"may Allah (swt) help us"
aamiin. ;-)
"thank to sis Hakima.....who very well knows what means to be MUMIN!!!!"
and does "This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON)" know the meaninng of mumin? ;-)
"Asad, never ever admits he is wrong"
lol
"who can be right all the time but Allah(swt) no one."
i didn't say i was right all the times, did i? ;-)
"OKi.....he may say I am always right if he have any knowlage of Islam"
i didn't say i'm always right. can you show me where i said that? ;-)
"and he bring whit proof..but this guy keep saying I don,t know ISLAM"
i do not know islam, but i know when i see when someone is posing descrepencies and i point out to him or her. ;-)
"SO why he, keep giving responds some thing he have no knowlage of????"
i asked questions and point out the descrepencies. ;-)
"I can go on.but Iam bit tried.......so I will contenue....MY STUDY ON ASAD!!!!"
lol----->my study on asad. ;-)
"MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL AND GIVE US HIS FORGIVENESS.AAMIIN!!!!!!!!!"
amiin. |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:12 pm
"So, you don,t like your friend any more?????"
galool, my friend? ;-)
"I do admit that your points are much and more clearer than ASAD when you making debates about other issues"
like *his story* on other issues, right? ;0(
"but when it cames to ISALAM you simly lost it!!!!!"
i think so too. ;-)
"unlike ASAD who permotes your nonsense!!!!!! FG and Common deserves to get A prize!"
lol------->permotes your nonsense. ;-)
by the way, i'm not here to win any prize and not here to make friends; i'm here to point out things, if this makes you sick, what can i do? ;-) |
| asad | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:14 pm
"Thanks god I am not a lone to feel this way"
lol---------->to feel this way. ;-)
"but you said that (ASAD said that he is a Moslim)"
i didn't say i'm a Moslim; i said i'm a MUSLIM.;-)
"but if he is really a muslim why he don,t act like one??? "
if i do not act like a muslim, do i act like moslim, then? ;-) |
| common | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 02:14 am
Dear Anons
I understand your frustrations, and i would like to remind myself and you..that whatever opinions we may hold about certain members of this site, their actions may be bettter than ours and outclass us on the day of Judgement
Dear Asad
I am now acutely aware that your personality resents feedback and has a tendency to refer people back to their own charactor. I have a few issues to raise with you, inevitably you will question my actions..as you often fail to see that the two are not inextriably connected. So i will explain a few things that you have accused me of, which i have so far ignored. Before i ask you to stop doing things for the sake of Allah (swt)
1. You say that i am adverse to critisism,. this is not true brother..i have a ego like most people, but i honestly question my behaviour when it is brought into question. I admit what is harder for me to deal with is uncontructive critims which have no relation to anything but simple mistakes. For example pointing out that Islamic values where not "my islamic values".. there is all reality no real need to expose such trivilities as it does as far as i can see no real diservice to Islam. Secondly the mannor in which you reply suggests retaliation. Who are you at war with on this site sahib?
You present manefestaions of jealousy and rivalry in your replys, whether this is contained in your heart Allah(swt) knows, but this is what comes out on the page.For example on this page you have pointed out anonomous spelling mistakes, what is the purpose of this. As formerguest has pointed out, this site is nothing but an Islam site, it is not a "point out discrapanies in the typing and spelling mistakes" site. What can your intentions be for doing such things?. Furthermore, you tend to be distracted and engrossed in arguements so deeply that you lose all sense of purpose and are determined to continue to stress your point, to the extent of manipulating the essentialities of the topic.
Anon never mention on this page whether common knew or did not know the meaning of mumin the exact words anon used was "wanted to know what mumin meant".
you replied and " did common know what mumin meant  ". You have reduced the point to direct confrontation between myself and you. There was never any suggestion that i knew what mumin meant. If you recall that position was held quite strongly by yourself. Dear brother.. we all have strong points and weak points..and i hate to say this in fromt of other people, but one of your weak points may be that you feel threatened by other people and what they know. Is Islam to you a way of always being right?. Sometimes people believe that if they perform certain religious functions this means that they are right, such a narrow mined focus, i belive has lead to the present day situation, in whether muslims differ over many things and fail to reconcile their differences. Me and you for example have no major reason to disagree, whatever we disagree in we can revert to the Quran and Sunna.Yet at the same time there has always been minor disagreement amongst muslims and it is healthy as long as it is not overshadowed by jealousy. Dear brother, i have often sought to not post responses to things you have said, becasue of your reactions, the reason i have now, is that anti-asad feelings are spreading widely..and i fear for both your reputation and the negative impact you can have on turning people away from Islam. Please let there be no rivalry between me and you, i point at your bad actions, not at you and say you are a bad person. You claim that "you ask questions" yes but you also tend to ridducle things , you are quick to react badly instead of thinking through things. When we were discussing a Mumin, you claimed i avoiding the real issues, and that i got lost talking about my eyes and ears. I think it was a vaild point, that was directly connected to the question of iman. they were not unrelated.. such thing are called similaies..or anolagies.. they are also often in the Quran.. for example "THe likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam".. that is a simlie..not Allah(swt) going off and talking about Adam..when he means Jesus.
On another page, when i posted as anonomous, you made pains to reveal that it was me who posted it. Brother why?.. did you imagine i was hiding my indentity for bad reasons?,or where you impressed by your own ability to deduct my invlovemnet? the reason i didn't mention my name, was i felt i was doing something good for the sake fo Allah (swt) and didn't want to be seen as doing it for recognision, however if i was intent on concealing my indentity i would have perhaps changed my writing style?.
On that same page or another one you alulled to the the possibilty that i am under the influence of a particular thinker. Since when has it been a bad thing to quote a Sheikh, indeed Sheikh Hamza is a very learned scholar, who has set up the Zaytune istitue in california, embraced Islam at the age of 17 from a greek orthodox family and spent 10 years studing with bedwin arabs in Mauritaina. Have you such contempt for someone you have little knowledge of?, is it a bad thing that i mention him, when i speak of economics i sometimes mention books, you have no objection to that, why when it comes to Islam?.i
Sahib.. its not a matter of you saying you are always right, but arguing like you are always right.. in fact by asking "can you show me where i said i am always right" is arguing like you are always right.is this clear.NO ONE SAID YOU SAID YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT IT WAS SAID, YOU NEVER ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG..dear brother.. do you see the distiction..or the discrepancy?. So in asserting that you never said you were always right, you are in fact proving your inability to ojectively anaylsis your behaviour. For example..i will point out another incident.. if you recall a discussion we were both involved in about jihad.. you were perhaps upset with the questioning of your manhood and took length to point out that jihad could not be performed without certain preresiquites.. if you took time to notice..i wrote "i would fight"..not i would take part in jihad.. you were too busy arguing.Also you have mentioned that talking about your writing style is unislamic..and you may be right, but our inetions for doing so..are not to embarss you.rather to help you to develop more muslim charcteristics. In fact that is the most important problem , while you claim to point out discrpancies, unfortunatly this relates only to other peoples discrepnacies..where as a lot of people feel your discrepancies are also very important,often mroe important..as the a nature of them and for example my discrepencies..i would argue differ and isn't the only justification we can as muslims have for pointing out each others discrepancies be for the betterment of our selfs and the ummah.. thus we should seek to do it in a mannor that would have the required result..this isn't a who can go through each others post with a fine comb and pounce on all discrepancies exercise is it?, for surely you would be superior in such a contest due to your apparant almost inexausatble time resources.Dear brother the reason i have mentioned all of this now is so that we may seek to estabish a more healthy basis for our discussions and your discussions in general, you act very competitively and this is not the most appropriate action. please again, try not to be offened with this message and invariabley "bite back" Dear Brother..surely if for no other reason than that you upset a lot of people on this page, you should change your behaviour,is it very hard for you to do so? anything less than this would disappoint us on this site and lead us to beleive that your intentions on this site are not sincere and that we should steer clear of you.Look forward to your response hounrable brother
waslaam
your brother in Islam |
| formerguest. | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 05:06 am
GALOOL.
So, you like people to confuse me with you?. I thought you were as dissappointed to be confused with ASAD as to be confused with me!. I know you were expecting less informed people in these forumss when you showed up to slay us. Regardless of your status in disbelieve, I don't wanna hurt your feelings as long as you keep away from denouncing islam. It is up to you what you believe and I told you to revisit islam once more to understand it better. Care to give us a little background about yourself?. I feel you are as old as my grandpa?. |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 06:47 am
"I am now acutely aware that your personality resents feedback"
it is the other way around, common. ;-)
"and has a tendency to refer people back to their own charactor."
that is right.
"You say that i am adverse to critisism. this is not true brother"
well, you accuse me of the same things and said to me that "personality resents feedback", which is incorrect. ;-)
"I admit what is harder for me to deal with is uncontructive critims which have no relation to anything but simple mistakes."
i just pointed out what i thought was discrapanies made by you. ;-)
"For example pointing out that Islamic values where not "my islamic values".. there is all reality no real need to expose such trivilities as it does as far as i can see no real diservice to Islam."
i didn't say that the islamic values were not you islamic values. i said many times here if somali culture does not follow the islamic culture that is in the Qur'an and sunnah, then somali culture is not islamic culture. ;-)
"Secondly the mannor in which you reply suggests retaliation. Who are you at war with on this site sahib?"
pointing what i think is the fact or disagreement with you doesn't mean i'm at war with you, common. ;-)
"You present manefestaions of jealousy and rivalry in your replys,
lol----->jealousy and rivarly ;-)
"whether this is contained in your heart Allah(swt) knows"
my heart is free from that. i'm here to point out discrepancies and voice my opinion. i'm not here to get jealous or be at war with anymore; i'm not here to win prizes either. if my point out what i think is discrepeny makes people think i'm jealous (i do not know of what), then what can i do? ;-)
"but this is what comes out on the page"
that is your opinion. ;-)
"For example on this page you have pointed out anonomous spelling mistakes, what is the purpose of this."
what spelling miskates? i do myself many many spelling mistakes too, right? ;-)
"As formerguest has pointed out, this site is nothing but an Islam site"
if he says that, i disagree with him. this place is not an islamic site.
"it is not a "point out discrapanies in the typing and spelling mistakes" site."
i didn't point out mistakes of spelling. i do it myself. ;-)
"What can your intentions be for doing such things?"
i told my intentions is not to make war, peace, friends, enemies, make angry, please people; my intentions to point out desceprencies made my people (not spelling mistakes as you think). ;-)
"Furthermore, you tend to be distracted and engrossed in arguements so deeply that you lose all sense of purpose"
that is your opinion. ;-)
"and are determined to continue to stress your point, to the extent of manipulating the essentialities of the topic."
no, i ask question and talk about the points of the person. i focus on the points. ;-)
"Anon never mention on this page whether common knew or did not know the meaning of mumin the exact words anon used was "wanted to know what mumin meant"
i asked him if "This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON)" knows the meaninng of mumin?, that wrong to ask? ;-)
you replied and " did common know what mumin meant ". You have reduced the point to direct confrontation between myself and you."
well, what you think of confrontation is not confrontation. ;-)
"There was never any suggestion that i knew what mumin meant. If you recall that position was held quite strongly by yourself. "
but do you know now after pointing out to you what is in the Qur'an and the sunnah? ;-)
Dear brother.. we all have strong points and weak points"
yes
"and i hate to say this in fromt of other people, but one of your weak points may be that you feel threatened by other people and what they know."
lol-------->threatened. ;-)
if i feel threatened, i would not be here, would i? ;-)
"Is Islam to you a way of always being right?"
the islam is always right. i'm not always right. ;-)
"Sometimes people believe that if they perform certain religious functions this means that they are right such a narrow mined focus,"
i'm not here to perform centain religious funtions. i'm here to point out what i think are narrow minded points and desrepencies. ;-)
"i belive has lead to the present day situation. in whether muslims differ over many things and fail to reconcile their differences. "
are you in this present day situation, common? ;-)
"Me and you for example have no major reason to disagree, whatever we disagree in we can revert to the Quran and Sunna."
yes.
"Yet at the same time there has always been minor disagreement amongst muslims and it is healthy as long as it is not overshadowed by jealousy."
yes, jealousy (but i do not know what some can be jealous about in here?) ;-)
"Dear brother, i have often sought to not post responses to things you have said, becasue of your reactions, the reason i have now"
whatever is your reasons, i'm here to point any descrepences made by you or anyone else. i do not care about the reaction of others to my pointing out things. ;-)
"is that anti-asad feelings are spreading widely"
as i said, i'm not her to win friends or enemy. if people feel sick because of my pointing out things,that is their problem. ;-)
"and i fear for both your reputation and the negative impact you can have on turning people away from Islam."
well, i have no contral to make a person muslim or non-muslim. when i point out the negative things people say or have islam or what is not islam, you fear of my reputation will be the same. ;-)
"Please let there be no rivalry between me and you"
i don't consider you as rivalry. i just point out things here. if you feel bad about this, i can not help you. ;-)
"i point at your bad actions"
that is okay with me. ;-)
"not at you and say you are a bad person."
when i point out your descrepencies, i do not think you are a bad person, either. ;-)
"You claim that "you ask questions" yes but you also tend to ridducle things"
yes, things that is funny. ;-)
"you are quick to react badly instead of thinking through things."
again, i think your reaction to my posts is what making you react badly. it is the other way around if you ask me. ;-)
"When we were discussing a Mumin, you claimed i avoiding the real issues, and that i got lost talking about my eyes and ears."
yes, you did. ;-)
"I think it was a vaild point, that was directly connected to the question of iman."
not, when you ignore the questions. ;-)
"they were not unrelated.. such thing are called similaies..or anolagies..they are also often in the Quran.. for example "THe likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam" that is a simlie..not Allah(swt) going off and talking about Adam..when he means Jesus."
the question i asked you were simple and it was concerning your iman, not your eyes and ears. ;-)
"On another page, when i posted as anonomous, you made pains to reveal that it was me who posted it. Brother why?.. did you imagine i was hiding my indentity for bad reasons? or where you impressed by your own ability to deduct my invlovemnet?"
no, i didn't imagine bad reasons nor was i impressed anything. it was obvoius ;-)
"the reason i didn't mention my name, was i felt i was doing something good for the sake fo Allah (swt) and didn't want to be seen as doing it for recognision, however if i was intent on concealing my indentity i would have perhaps changed my writing style?"
to me, the name common and anonymous are both concealing identities. if you use either usernames or any other name that does not make a different. you are still not known from anyone else here. ;-)
"On that same page or another one you alulled to the the possibilty that i am under the influence of a particular thinker."
lol
"Since when has it been a bad thing to quote a Sheikh"
did i say it was bad? ;-)
"indeed Sheikh Hamza is a very learned scholar, who has set up the Zaytune istitue in california, embraced Islam at the age of 17 from a greek orthodox family and spent 10 years studing with bedwin arabs in Mauritaina."
that is nice.
"Have you such contempt for someone you have little knowledge of?"
lol. did i say i had contempt for him. ;-)
"is it a bad thing that i mention him, when i speak of economics i sometimes mention books, you have no objection to that, why when it comes to Islam?.
did i say it was bad? ;-)
"Sahib.. its not a matter of you saying you are always right"
never said that. ;-)
"but arguing like you are always right"
that is your opinion. i ask question to find out things and point out things, that is all. ;-)
"in fact by asking "can you show me where i said i am always right" is arguing like you are always right is this clear. "
that is not true. i'm show you that you might have lied about what you said about me. ;-)
"NO ONE SAID YOU SAID YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT IT WAS SAID, YOU NEVER ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG" dear brother.. do you see the distiction..or the discrepancy? So in asserting that you never said you were always right, you are in fact proving your inability to ojectively anaylsis your behaviour." "
what discrepency. i said on here many many times that i do not know things. i said i'm not a learned man; i said i have no abilty to teach......etc.... i ask questions and point out things. if you are unable to answer my questions and if what i pointed out is not contradicted by you, then that is not my fault. ;-)
"For example..i will point out another incident.. if you recall a discussion we were both involved in about jihad.. you were perhaps upset with the questioning of your manhood and took length to point out that jihad could not be performed without certain preresiquites"
lol---------->my manhood. ;-)
i pointed out the sheikh albani said and i agree with him. ;-)
"if you took time to notice..i wrote "i would fight"..not i would take part in jihad.. you were too busy arguing."
did you think i was against the point of fighting or jihad? ;-)
"Also you have mentioned that talking about your writing style is unislamic"
what? ;-)
"and you may be right, but our inetions for doing so..are not to embarss you.rather to help you to develop more muslim charcteristics."
lol.
"In fact that is the most important problem , while you claim to point out discrpancies, unfortunatly this relates only to other peoples discrepnacies"
lol
"where as a lot of people feel your discrepancies are also very important,often mroe important..as the a nature of them and for example my discrepencies"
lol
"i would argue differ and isn't the only justification we can as muslims have for pointing out each others discrepancies be for the betterment of our selfs and the ummah. thus we should seek to do it in a mannor that would have the required result"
lol
"this isn't a who can go through each others post with a fine comb and pounce on all discrepancies exercise is it?"
whoever does not like to be pointed out his or her discrepencies (atleast what the people think is decrepencies), then that too bad of him or her. this place is not a place islam is learned. we are not learned people. i'm not here to teach or to learn islam. i'm here to point out things and point out discrepences. i do not know anyone personally. when i point out a thing or two made by someone, i'm not trying to embarss him or her. i ask questions. ;-)
"for surely you would be superior in such a contest due to your apparant almost inexausatble time resources"
what about your time, common? ;-)
"Dear brother the reason i have mentioned all of this now is so that we may seek to estabish a more healthy basis for our discussions and your discussions in general"
okay and let's not get emotional when things are pointed out. ;-)
"you act very competitively and this is not the most appropriate action."
lol
"please again, try not to be offened with this message and invariabley "bite back""
lol--------offended. ;-)
"Dear Brother..surely if for no other reason than that you upset a lot of people on this page"
they upset themselves. i'm not here to offend people. i'm here to point out things. i never insult anyone. if they insult me, i laugh at them.
"you should change your behaviour,is it very hard for you to do so?"
lol----change your behaviour. ;-)
"anything less than this would disappoint us on this site"
i feel sorry for you. i'm not going to change. ;-)
"and lead us to beleive that your intentions on this site are not sincere"
lol
"and that we should steer clear of you"
lol |
| common | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:28 am
A salaam aleikum
This reminds me of the power struggle there was to fill the politburo after Lenin died.
lol
Okay Stalin you win
. You think it is a display of class to speak up, and i think it is display of class to keep quiet, theres a big difference there. .
wasalaam
your brother in Islam |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:35 am
"This reminds me of the power struggle there was to fill the politburo after Lenin died. lol"
lol
"Okay Stalin"
okay lenin. ;-)
"you win"
remember, i said i'm not here win or loose. ;-)
"You think it is a display of class to speak up, and i think it is display of class to keep quiet"
are you being quiet here or are you speaking up, common? ;-)
"theres a big difference there."
really? ;-) |
| formerguest. | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:47 am
I suggest you guys save your wits and energy for the right cause. This is not helpful at all for you guys. I don't mind if you are all having a good time here on the net but it doesn't seem like it. |
| ANYNOUS1 | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:51 am
tO ALL SALAAMS,
THANSK MY BRO COMMONS.
LET ME SAY S.TH I STILL THINK THERE IS A ROLE PLAY HERE AND IT DID NOT TAKE ME A LONG TIME TO FIND OUT. I AM NOT SURE ABOUT ASAD, SO LETS SAY TO BE THE SAFE SIDE THAT IS COINCIDENCE. THEN, MY
QUESTION TO ASAD IS DO YOU WANT TO DEFEND AND EXPLAIN ISLAM? IF YES, THEN US MAJORITY OF US TOLD YOU YOUR WAYS SHOULD BE BETTER. sO IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM AND YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOU( WHICH I BELEAVE YOU HAVE) TAKE OUR ADVICE.
YOU KNOW I WATCHED THE FILM OR EPOSIDE CALLED MY SON IS FANATIC. THE WAY THE ACTOR WHO WAS NOT A MUSLIM ACTING WAS AXCACTALY THE WAY TO REPLY.
TO GALOOL,
I DO NOT MIND WHETHER YOU HAVE ONE NAME OR TWO. I WILL TELL YOU THERE ARE LOT OF YOUR OWN POEPLE IF YOU WANT TELL THEM ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT IF YOUR AIM IS TO EARN MONEY. GO AHEAD FOR I AM SURE YOU WILL NOT GET ANYWHERE. INSHA ALLAH
ASAD
YOUR REPLY TO THIS IS VERY DESICIVE |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:56 am
"This is not helpful at all for you guys. I don't mind if you are all having a good time here on the net but it doesn't seem like it."
well, i'm not here to win anything that will help me in anyway and i'm having no bad time here either. ;-) |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:04 am
"I AM NOT SURE ABOUT ASAD, SO LETS SAY TO BE THE SAFE SIDE THAT IS COINCIDENCE."
okay.
"THEN, MY QUESTION TO ASAD IS DO YOU WANT TO DEFEND AND EXPLAIN ISLAM? IF YES, THEN US MAJORITY OF US TOLD YOU YOUR WAYS SHOULD BE BETTER."
how many times do i have to say that i'm not here, but to point out discrepencies and ask questions. the Qur'an can defend Itself. if someone says something about the Qur'an (islam), then the Qur'an will speak Itself, like it or not. ;-)
"sO IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM AND YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOU( WHICH I BELEAVE YOU HAVE) TAKE OUR ADVICE."
what advice? are you advicing me not to point out what i think is discrepencies on here? are you cencoring me?
"YOU KNOW I WATCHED THE FILM OR EPOSIDE CALLED MY SON IS FANATIC."
lol-------fanatic. ;-)
"THE WAY THE ACTOR WHO WAS NOT A MUSLIM ACTING WAS AXCACTALY THE WAY TO REPLY."
then, this proofs that i'm not a muslim, who happens to be fanatic, right? ;-)
"ASAD YOUR REPLY TO THIS IS VERY DESICIVE"
lol-------your reply. ;-) |
| formerguest. | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:23 am
ASAD.
I have to look for a job like yours that gives me an access to a computer and an ample time to bother and twist, bother and twist lol. Bro, this is getting serious and all you are doing is log on and show some stubborness. Take a break or something for god's sakes. Don't just dissappear but few days off will help the crowd cool off. And I will keep galool in check. |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:30 am
"I have to look for a job like yours that gives me an access to a computer"
that will be great. ;-)
"and an ample time to bother and twist, bother and twist lol"
lol----->bother and twist. ;-)
"Bro, this is getting serious"
what is getting serious? ;-)
"and all you are doing is log on"
and you do not log on? ;-)
"and show some stubborness."
lol----->show stubborness. ;-)
"Take a break or something for god's sakes."
the feeling is mutual. if people took a break from reading what i write for God's sake, it would have been fine, right? no, but stubborness would not let them do that. ;-)
"Don't just dissappear but few days off will help the crowd cool off."
lol---->will help the crowd cool off. ;-)
"And I will keep galool in check."
he is all yours, but i'll point out things and ask questions that i think needs to be pointed out. ;-) |
| Anoymous2 | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:45 am
Asad
"i didn't point out mistakes of spelling. i do it myself. ;-)"
Visit, Friday October 20.....then you will know what u write....lol
I said this.
"for a minute I thought it was ASAD who using your Name......but unfortunetlly was you......lol" I was telling this to Formerguess.
You said this
"unfortunately or fortunately? ;-)"
Get the Proof now?????? as you care any way........lol
"i asked him if "This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON)" knows the meaninng of mumin?, that wrong to ask? ;-)"
Yes, Asad it is wrong to ask.......cuz you know that Common......does not know what, a MUMin means.......cuz if he knows he would not have asked you!!!!
I will say this to my other BR/Sis in Islam......
There is no point, to keep telling this ( Person) how important is to act as Muslim character, if he don,t want be like One.....But I will advice you just Ignore him, at least we know what he is like.. he is like......GARI MA KU GASHAA, GARI MA KAA BAXDAA, ADIGA MA KU GAYDAA??????......LOL.
How can any one TRIES TO POINT OUT THINGS some one who can,t understand no ones point of Views??? it is waste of time!! I don,t really care about that much......But I do care when he trays to confuse US ,about Islam!!!!......and that is why I keep telling him he is simly Lost!!!!!! he may get a way any other isues, but No one can get a way whit, making a fun of ISLAM........even though he may Claims to be a MUSLIM!
Peace |
| formerguest. | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:47 am
ASAD.
Save your energy for the right cause bro. You will remember my advice sometime later. And I am glad you saw my previous posting harmless and friendly. |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 09:51 am
"Save your energy for the right cause bro."
i should return the favor too for not saving your energy for right causes by reading what i write. '-)
"You will remember my advice sometime later."
the feeling is mutual.
"And I am glad you saw my previous posting harmless and friendly."
yes. ;-) |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:00 am
I said this.
"for a minute I thought it was ASAD who using your Name......but unfortunetlly was you......lol" I was telling this to Formerguess. You said this. "unfortunately or fortunately? ;-)" Get the Proof now?????? as you care any way........lol"
what proof are you talking about? ;-)
"i asked him if "This little sweet and intelligent...very Honest Guy call..(COMMON)" knows the meaninng of mumin?, that wrong to ask? ;-)" Yes, Asad it is wrong to ask.......cuz you know that Common......does not know what, a MUMin means.......cuz if he knows he would not have asked you!!!!"
but does he know now after i pointed out to him what the Qur'an says? there is nothing wrong asking questions, is it? ;-)
"I will say this to my other BR/Sis in Islam...... There is no point, to keep telling this ( Person) how important is to act as Muslim character, if he don,t want be like One"
i do not insult; i do not get mad; i just point out things and ask questions. if people think this is unislamic, what can i do? ;-)
"But I will advice you just Ignore him, at least we know what he is like.. he is like......GARI MA KU GASHAA, GARI MA KAA BAXDAA, ADIGA MA KU GAYDAA??????......LOL."
waxaa layir gaale ma arko tuurta ku taal ee wuxuu arkaa midda ku taal gaala kale. ;-)
"How can any one TRIES TO POINT OUT THINGS some one who can,t understand no ones point of Views???"
that is why i ask question after i point out the discrepencies made by your or others. ;-)
"it is waste of time!!"
lol
"I don,t really care about that much......But I do care when he trays to confuse US ,about Islam!!!!'
lol---->confuse us about islam. ;-)
"and that is why I keep telling him he is simly Lost!!!!!!"
lol---he is simply lost. ;-)
"he may get a way any other isues, but No one can get a way whit, making a fun of ISLAM"
lol---->making a fun of islma. ;-)
"even though he may Claims to be a MUSLIM!"
lol |
| formerguest. | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:05 am
ASAD.
In the first place, I had/have no proplem with your writing. I don't think I wasted my energy reading what you write. However, save your energy on my part was meant "What do you get arguing continously with others?". Also do you take other people's concerns into consideration regardless of their being right or wrong?. You are not always right asad and you have to accept that for a second in your whole life lol. Second, The freaking mutual diatribe you repeat is for real. I don't want you continue like these, if you don't mind though that your islam is being suspected it is up to you. You are causing people to SIN AND YOU SIN IN RETURN. |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:17 am
"In the first place, I had/have no proplem with your writing. I don't think I wasted my energy reading what you write. However, save your energy on my part was meant "What do you get arguing continously with others?".
i don't get anything from arguing.
"Also do you take other people's concerns into consideration regardless of their being right or wrong?"
no, i just have fun with them. if i have concern, i would not have played with them. ;-)
"You are not always right asad "
did i say i was? ;-)
"and you have to accept that for a second in your whole life lol."
i have to deny first that i'm always right to accept that i could be wrong, right? ;-)
"Second, The freaking mutual diatribe you repeat is for real."
lol------>freaking mutual. ;-)
"I don't want you continue like these, if you don't mind though that your islam is being suspected it is up to you."
well, again, if i had concern about people suspecting my islam, i would please them, right? ;-)
"You are causing people to SIN AND YOU SIN IN RETURN."
well, if my by pointing out what i think is right makes sin and insult me and call me a gaal, it is not my fault. i understand most of these people (who take the names anonymous after i debated with them) are upset about the way i point out things and question them. i can not make any one sin nor am i capable of making anyone good muslim. ;-) |
| common | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 10:29 am
Ya Allah ! (swt) |
| Galool | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 12:16 pm
FG
Some unbrotherly stuff going on here! Muslims ganging-up against one of their own? what is it, a power struggle among a little beardo circle? or is it because FG wants all the adulation of the minor beardos all for himself?
Well, anyway. I never set out to slay anyone. Slaying people is your domain, not mine. I have respect for human life, and welcome different opinions, thoughts, philosophies and concepts(including yours) with open arms- even when I disagree with them.
You have forgotten that my interest was to raise the alternative view of this politicised Islam which seems, on the surface, to be all the rage among the Somalis in the Diaspora. I wanted to remind you that that is a thin veneer, and underneath you will find the true nature of the Somali people. Secular, independent, clannish and unyielding to imported Asian concepts of thought control and oppression. I believed this will raise the blood pressure of the likes of you and I believe I glowingly succeeded in that, to the stage that you guys are cannibilising each other now, and the most ignorant amongst you have reached the Paranoia stage, seeing conspiracies everywhere(not difficult I suppose after a long night of chanting mysterious words in foreign tongue which you do not understand, in praise of a camera-shy deity whom never see or hear).
And FG, what is this business about attempting to convert me? Is it because you want Ajr? So you want me to denounce most of humanity, denounce its thoughts and ideas, and believe that all of mankind's history, thought, progress, science, art, imagination is encompassed in just one rather short book written in the Arabian desert 15 centuries ago? and all for what? so that your excellency can go to heaven, drink all that Soda, sleep with those 60 women and basically laze around? How selfish of you! |
| anonymous2 | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 12:29 pm
Formerguest and all the Muslims
Please don,t respont to this.....Kafir in the DARK.....see his points of Islam.......can we make him to see what we see??? answer is no!!!do he deserve to get respond??? please don,t let him waste your time....specially Common and Formerguess...... you guys can make an usefull affect whit your thouths..... forget about ...Galool=MAD....remeber he is not Man enough to face you......so he is here to create yet another.......KHasaara isues...your time will be asked???? amy allah guide you all
peace |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 12:49 pm
"FG Some unbrotherly stuff going on here!"
lol
"Muslims ganging-up against one of their own?"
if somalis (including galool) can fight and kill each other, why they can not disagree onliine? ;-)
"what is it, a power struggle among a little beardo circle?"
lol-----little beardo. ;-)
"I have respect for human life, and welcome different opinions, thoughts, philosophies and concepts(including yours) with open arms- even when I disagree with them."
if that is the case, why are you suprised when the somalis disagree? don't you think i still respect formerguest if he and i disagree? ;-)
"You have forgotten that my interest was to raise the alternative view of this politicised Islam which seems, on the surface, to be all the rage among the Somalis in the Diaspora."
your veiws (your sacriligious views) which you are here politicizing and permotting will not not work and will not cause rage, but it will not be laughed at--------and it will be defeated by little beardos here. ;-)
"I wanted to remind you that that is a thin veneer, and underneath you will find the true nature of the Somali people."
including you, right? ;-)
"Secular, independent, clannish and unyielding to imported Asian concepts of thought control and oppression."
and you choose the sacrilegious concepts imported from the west, right? ;-)
"I believed this will raise the blood pressure of the likes of you"
i think it will be the other way around. you (as a sacriligious) will cry like a baby and say i had enough of these when they recite the Qur'anic verses for you. ;-)
"and I believe I glowingly succeeded in that to the stage that you guys are cannibilising each other now,"
well, i hope you do not run. ;-)
"and the most ignorant amongst you have reached the Paranoia stage"
are you saying you are better and more intelligent than the othe somalis? ;-)
"seeing conspiracies everywhere"
well, i think the propaganda and conspiracies against me are coming from one or two person(s) here using different anonymous names. maybe they hate the way i point out the blunders in their *his story or in their *lies*. ;-) |
| asad | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 01:21 pm
"and I believe I glowingly succeeded in that to the stage that you guys are cannibilising each other now,"
do you mean you succeeded in creating all these messages against asad-----while using all these anonymous usernames-------in order to look like people are against asad? ;-). fyi, in whatever name you use (anonymus1, anonymous2, anonymous3) you will not succeed. at least, i'll continue to point out things. ;-) |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:49 am
Galool,
"So, you want me to denounce most of humanity, denounce its thoughts and ideas and believe that all of mankind's history thought, progress, science, art, imagination is encompassed in just one rather short book written in the Arabian desert 15 centuries ago?
Galool, I can't deny that Socrate's, Aristotle's, Plato's,Kant's even weirdos like Nietzsche writtings did impress me. I can't deny that music of Vivaldi, Chopan, Handel, Mozart, Beethoveen didn't impress me. I can't deny that I said wow to Archemidus's, Newton's, Galileo's laws. I can't deny that sociologists like Dhurkeim were one in a million and i even can't deny that stupid Freud sometimes made sence. But when I find all that in just ONE BOOK...i can't find a way to express my feelings. All thoughts of human kind that we know and still to come are found in that Book...yes, in that Short Book.
Who are you to say that you can find something parrallel to it. I remember th story of this western scientist who found that males were the ones responsible for the gender of embyro, when our muslim ulma showed him that Quran did mentioned that 15 centuries ago. He couldn't help himself but become a Muslim. So, who do u think you are??? I think you need to take a long exhortation of yourself, maybe...maybe you never know...could save yourself from your demons.
peace... |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:51 am
Galool,
"So, you want me to denounce most of humanity, denounce its thoughts and ideas and believe that all of mankind's history thought, progress, science, art, imagination is encompassed in just one rather short book written in the Arabian desert 15 centuries ago?
Galool, I can't deny that Socrate's, Aristotle's, Plato's,Kant's even weirdos like Nietzsche writtings did impress me. I can't deny that music of Vivaldi, Chopan, Handel, Mozart, Beethoveen didn't impress me. I can't deny that I said wow to Archemidus's, Newton's, Galileo's laws. I can't deny that sociologists like Dhurkeim were one in a million and i even can't deny that stupid Freud sometimes made sence. But when I find all that in just ONE BOOK...i can't find a way to express my feelings. All thoughts of human kind that we know and still to come are found in that Book...yes, in that Short Book.
Who are you to say that you can find something parrallel to it. I remember the story of this western scientist who found that males were the ones responsible for the gender of embyro, when our muslim ulma showed him that Quran did mentioned that 15 centuries ago. He couldn't help himself but become a Muslim. So, who do u think you are??? I think you need to take a long exhortation of yourself, maybe...maybe you never know...could save yourself from your demons.
peace... |
| common | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 10:25 am
A salaam aleikum
Hakima
well said sister
Galool, in short sahib you exchange the high for the low. why put a question mark?. where Allah has put a period.
If you chose to do so.... although i belive that you need to question your outlook before you question anything else. As a little beardo, i wish to voice my concerns...
The Quran provides a Archtype of History, it points to the past..and relates it to the future.. constantly refering to the past and saying "have you seen what happened" to such and such and then explaining what will happen in the future if you do such and such. It is very consise,would you expect anything else from the Almighty?. The Quran says .. the is the book in which there is not doubt!, in it you will find no mistakes. Ahh!.. thought this logic student.. okay mistakes can mean both mistakes as in something false..and the word "mistake" itself, so he searched for the word mistake, but alas it only appears in the Quran once. Needless to say he became muslim. He then noted that every time Allah compares one thing to another it appears the same. For example the Likeness of Jesus is like likeness of Adam..if you check the Quran they both appear the exact amount of times, i think it is fourteen. this is the same for all things compaerd as such. Then there is the same matter of days-equalling the number of days in the lunar year..and the amount of months equaling the amount of months in a year, and on and on. Where was this spellchecker and super automatic computer in the dessert if even had access to such knowldge could achive such accuracy!.
Where does this concept of dennouncing others and and humanity come from.. sheezh give me a break.Now all those silly little inbred greek aristocracy who had the time to sit around on marble while the great unwashed masses stuglled to earn a living of course they wrote great books.I also mentioned before..that the wortheist of their souls were racist. All this conteplative thought..and still i was not considered a human!
anyways i will move on.. you should read Rouseau.. he writes most men live lives of quiet desperation, is that what you would like us too do?. In fact his writings really impressed me, in fact it i was supprised to see his work, preaching about true freedom coming when you freely surrender the intellect(social contract), sounds familar to me... touching your head on the ground in prayer to Allah 20 odd times a day..anyone....
Ya Allah we so lucky to be muslims
peace |
| Galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 10:50 am
Asad
Is that you? I can't believe you thought I was one of the Anon gang!
All I can tell you is that I am not! If I wanted to criticize you, I would do so as me. Why would I use other user names? What would I get out of it?
Come to think of it, it is very Somali to see conspiracies behind every tree(or behind every username)but the reality of the matter is that your own lot don't like you anymore!
FG could have very easily got the beardo hounds off your butt - but he didn't! Instead he decided to join in the attack. Get the message buddy! Nobody likes you, except perhaps Hakima, who may be, just may be, is having clannish feelings for you. Isn't that beautifully Somali and secular as I always said? |
| asad | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 10:59 am
"Asad Is that you?
yes. ;-)
"I can't believe you thought I was one of the Anon gang!"
don't be. you also thought lots of things about me, right? ;-)
"All I can tell you is that I am not!"
only if i knew you do not tell lies. ;-)
"If I wanted to criticize you, I would do so as me."
that would be fine with me, becuse i take critizism from anybody; i even take insults with laughter. ;-)
"Why would I use other user names? What would I get out of it?"
you tell me? why do you think others use them? ;-) |
| asad | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:08 am
"Come to think of it, it is very Somali to see conspiracies behind every tree(or behind every username)"
including you, right?
"but the reality of the matter is that your own lot don't like you anymore!"
yes, i can see that, but do you see me crying. ;-)
"FG could have very easily got the beardo hounds off your butt, but he didn't"
lol---->your butt. ;-)
"Instead he decided to join in the attack. Get the message buddy!"
i still do not care. i will welcome any criticizism from anyone, including galool. ;-)
"Nobody likes you,"
including you, right? ;-)
"except perhaps Hakima,"
i do not hate her either. ;-)
"who may be, just may be, is having clannish feelings for you. Isn't that beautifully Somali and secular as I always said?" "
here you go again with your "conspiracies behind every tree", your theory. ;-) |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:10 am
Mon Dieu,
Ma garcon Galool, ecoutez moi tres bien...
what is the link between secular & clan?
and what hate r u talking about?
FYI,Islam does not know the concept of Hate.
Conspiracies!!!! why who told u that somali pple are paranoid????
whatz up with Hakima...Hakima...do u have Hakima syndrome????
peace... |
| Galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:20 am
Common
You are no minor beardo. In fact you are no beardo at all! ( I hope you are not trying to grow one of those silly-looking wispy affairs). You are a rebel Common. You think that somehow joining this bunch of fanatic non-entities is the best way of lifting two fingers to a western society that has shown you nothing but racism.
But do not feel justified by anger and excuses. You could have opened your mind to humanity and joined a truly universal, alternative form of ideology like Marxism(I am not). Instead you decided to become, perhaps through ignorance or limited exposure to alternative ideas, a hating and hateful revisionist - who believes in a divisive, narrow-minded, superstitious and (unintentionally)oppressive religious non-sense that glories itself in threats of hell-fire and torture(the word 'Adaab means torture in Arabic)
How pitiful that you hang on to the trouser-flares
of every `whitey' who joins your little outfit as an illustrating proof that yours must be the right path to the Ultimate Truth. In fact it proves nothing but your well-justified doubts about your so-called Faith.
Grow up, kiddo and open your eyes and mind. |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:32 am
"You could have opened your mind to humanity and joined a truly universal form of ideology like Marxism"
What humanity??? Marxism...lol yeah right.
"i m not"
Why...isn't it a truly universal form of idealogy!
"the word adaab means torture in arabic"
LOL...last time i checked it meant Manners...unless u recently wrote al-qaamous (dictionary).
peace... |
| asad | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:40 am
"Instead you decided to become, perhaps through ignorance or limited exposure to alternative ideas, a hating and hateful revisionist - who believes in a divisive, narrow-minded, superstitious and (unintentionally)oppressive religious non-sense that glories itself in threats of hell-fire and torture(the word 'Adaab means torture in Arabic)"
islam hates the hate itself and any injustices, false sayings and irriligious/sacriligious teachings which the narrow-minded nonbelievers, cynics, skeptics, atheists promoting their *his story* that says we came from monkeys and when we die we might come back to be real monkey or something. ;-)
"How pitiful that you hang on to the trouser-flares of every `whitey' who joins your little outfit as an illustrating proof that yours must be the right path to the Ultimate Truth. In fact it proves nothing but your well-justified doubts about your so-called Faith. Grow up, kiddo and open your eyes and mind." "
but you want instead for the muslims to join those who promote their sacrilegious beliefs (reincarnation and being ancestor to the apes), which you think, are the ultimate truth, right? ;-) is this your so-called faith, galool----that when you grow up and die, you will come back as a monkey--ape--chimpanzee or something else? when will you open your eyes, galool?;-) |
| galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:45 am
Hakima
Non parlez francaise! The relationship is simple. My argument is that the loyalty to Clan overrides the loyalty to Islam in every Somali's believe system. `Clannism' is therefore an antidote to religious fanaticism. This is secular in the sense that it is not religious. It is the only redeeeming feature of the otherwise awful Somali adherence to this primeval system. |
| asad | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:03 pm
"My argument is that the loyalty to Clan overrides the loyalty to Islam in every Somali's believe system. Clannism' is therefore an antidote to religious fanaticism. This is secular in the sense that it is not religious. "
once again, let me point out the *his story* and *lies* galool vomits---his discrepencies about islam. if what he is saying was the case, there were not so many quraysh tribe killing each other and dying for the cause of their different faiths (islam vs pagan) ;-)
"It is the only redeeeming feature of the otherwise awful Somali adherence to this primeval system."
lol----->awful somali.
if the somalis adhered to the islamic teachings the prophet taught, they would not have killed themselves in the name of clan and tribe; they would have followed what is in the Qur'an and the sunnah-----"muslims should not fight against each other for reasons of tribe, money, lands" ;-) |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:03 pm
Ma petit garcon...c'est faux(that is wrong). Go to your space exploration and never come back. Bien! |
| Galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:04 pm
Hakima
I just saw you misunderstood what I meant by 'Adaab.I meant CADAAB as in Tacdiib, Yucadibu tacdiiban. This, in Arabic(I know you are fluent in it)means Torture.
And I like talking to gorgeous, intelligent somali beauties like you(anything wrong with that?), but it is you who started answering my postings first.(I hope my wife does not see this, or I will I find my blankets outside!)
By the way, you left out my favourite musician in your impressive listing above. Verdi. |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 01:53 pm
Malool Pasha,
walaahi inta cariif ina anna bacrif carabe. Dab ismac...ana bakrah el-moulhideen eli zayak. Yaa ragel..rouh itcaleem haga tania...ou rouh lenaz mayacrafoush el-qaraya. Okay!!!
By the way, u r a shame to all atheists. I think if my ex-philosophy professor sees you...he will demand for ur neck. Ur arguments are louzy and primitive.
peace... |
| Galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 02:03 pm
Hakima
I never insult ladies. As for your professor, he obviously wasn't very good. |
| Galool | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 02:15 pm
Hakima
I hate insulting ladies. As for your professor, he obviously wasn't very good. |
| formerguest. | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 04:44 pm
Galool.
I see a loser whenever I see your writing and how you are stuck in your own world of nothingness. Furthermore, insulting ALLAH won't give you back the selfsteem you lost after disbelief. I laughed my head off when I saw your offer to COMMON which was rediculous enough that you yourself bailed out from right after you offered. No wonder the atheist LENIN wrote a book about marxism and dedicated it to his GOD "CHARLES DARWIN'. You guys are all the same wherever you are. You are more coward than the rest of the atheist community though for not declaring your faith in it. That is not nice. You have to back your faith galool. I wanna see some atheist rhetorics!. Have some?. You must be a bittered man by somalis for opting to the advice of their LORD when HE(ALLAH) TOLD THEM:
""Therefore turn your face steadfastly towards the true faith, away from all that which is false, in accordance with the Pure nature with which Allaah has Created people. Let there be no altering in the laws of Allaah's Creation. This is surely the true religion, but most people do not know it." (Surah Ar-Rum 30:30) |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 06:45 pm
Galool,
"i hate insulting ladies"
I think you have done a major insult to yourself.
In case, you r referring to my arabic post...i thought u knew the language...since u gave me a simple illustration earlier!!
peace... |
| Hakima | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 06:50 pm
Galool,
"As for your professor, he obviously wasn't very good"
On the contrary, Galool, many thought he was a very cunny atheist.
peace... |
| formerguest. | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 09:57 pm
HAKIMA.
I forgot to jot down in my notebook what your major was. Mind refreshing my memory?. I remember you said once you were a graduate student. Besides, I didn't know you were superstitious lady lol. Ooops!. |
| common | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 01:56 am
Galool
You know.. its deep.. i feel sorry for you.. Asad feels sorry for me. Its like a circle.
Sahib.. there is a saying(i think it is a hadeth) that whoever speaks to teach others without inacting the knowldge themselvess it will be like rain dropping on a stone. So i figure Asad is right about one. thing, i need to concentrate on myself rather than others. On another thing, i think he is wrong,i am here really only to learn and teach,learn what i don't,teach what i know, learn and teach,learn and teach, my purpose of talking to you.. is truly, truly only so that you may return to the fold of Islam. I have probably been wrong in the way i pursed this..in fact i know i have been.
Galool.. me and you share the same condtion agreed?. we are both Binni Adan.. both human beings, both on earth, both with roughly the same facilties <smile>.
In a letter to Mcphereson, Ibn Sharif, keeper of keys to the holy cities, conspired with the british to revolt under the ottoman empire..and in all that correspondance the most striking thing he says is "the Caphite is dead, May Allah rest the souls of the muslims".I am not sure but i think this prayer was not accpeted, perhaps seeing as the Sharif was concerned with intrigue involved in espioinage and generally a low down dirty kinda guy, his sincerity was lacking.lol.
This is what i don't undertsand, why would you wish me to riddule me. Do you really imagine that i cling on to every "whitey" that re enters the fold of Islam, or that you will awaken dormant racist tendencies in my soul. I think i have explained myself to you before, but Noah(pbuh) talked to people about Islam for 700 years and some did not accept, so i am in it for the long run.lol.. As long as you don't get bored!
Arite, superstition is throwing salt over your shoulder, are we not pushing it a little.comparing Islam and not walking under a ladder.. sahib.. lets work on at least a basis from which we can both agree.
Secondly.. perhaps my point of medicine was lost on you. Okay for example, you are going into surgery.. you cannot go into surgery with out faith in your doctor. If you do not have faith in your doctor, you cannot have that surgery, you need that faith. simlilary, we need faith in life. There was this experiment done by scientists(perhaps white, perhaps black) on rats, they drowned rats once, the second time they drowned rats and then rescued them 15 secs before they were due to die, gave them time to rest..and then drowned them again.. they found that they lived on average an extra 20 secs or sumthjing. such is life, you need faith and hope to live..indeed this is the very substance of Life. So i am not a rebel, but i was searching for Allah (swt), in order for my soul to be comforted
Now onto Marxism... Ya Allah.. i still don't get it. If Religion is a man made idea..the idea that religion is a man made idea..is indeed a man made idea..why would i exchange one man made idea.,.for another man made idea?.Becasue it is old, nope old is still accpeted, we work on tehories of relativity a hundred of years old. Because it is discredited, who has ever Discredited the Quran ?
The only reason to not belive in the Quran is a political one..and this is what history tells us, teh enlightment was about seperating the church from the state. why do you percive their actios as primoridal and natural, while mine as Politicised?. Surely there actions were political..and i would argue concerned with their own end.
Racism is bad i agree, but i am prettey tough, i can handle it. You think i can't have "fun", i know there is this sterotype that people hide under Islam, becasue they can't functioin in wider society, there are many pleasures, in this world and i am astue enough to be able top obtain for myself many of them. I was quite popluar with the ladies, tio have many of them involved liaing, breaking hearts and making people cry, i realised this is not fair, what right do i ahve to casue such pain?.. for my own end. I can eat whatever is tasty, but would i be more than an animal?
Marxism, was not universal.lol. he had like three lines on the whole of the third world. something like, "if teh capiliast in teh world can not see the injustice they cause in the world system, fear not, they fail to see it in their own socities"..of course he wrote in much better than thnat. Latter it has been developed to incoparate th massiveness that is 3 other continents. anyway Marxism is just a critique..and dare i suppressive(unintentionally)
at this stagei would like to point out,.. that i do not hang on to trouser flares..although it was a good piece of puncy writing!
Have you been to genral recently?.. Galool go observe wehat my age group participate in, that is their ilk!. Your young, go party!.. this are political decisons. Growing up?.. does this inculde drinking the most subsidied beer in teh country that has palyed a major part in transforming Universities from teh hotbed of political insurerrection, to a nation, where students are teh largest proportion of Richard and Judy fans. You mean grow dead..to the world?..numb myself with stimulants.. and you say i can't hack the pain of a racist socities... where are these people running from every friday night?. Wouldn't that be an easier option, if i was concerned about sticking two fingers up an socitey i would find apprciation in black art and poetry, i would be adored and respected. You think i am a sadist..that i enjoy..my parents thinking i am "going to far" or my sisters thining i am gonna get laughed at or beat up casue i wear islamic clothes, why would i wish to endure such things?.
Ignorance is as ignorance does, judge me by my words and my actions, not by my form or sterotypes
I thought the root word of Adaab was something meaning behaviour.. thats what i heard
Galool.. i am not justified by anger, or excuses, rather liberated by not being subject to conform to such things. Have you seen some of your humanity at the train station?.. they get so upset if the train is late, want to complain etc.. get so wound up.. myhs sister freuqently says she is gonna "headbutt the driver" when it turns up.. i hope she never does.lol But do you get my point, i am not gripped by this emotions, yeah i am not all paitent, but i am okay, if i hold open a door for somone and they don't sya thanks it is not improtant..i did it hopefully for the sake of Allah (swt).. so i don't get mad..other people i know scowl.
Bel;iving in Humanity... is not condusive, becasue everyone you know and love will upset you, diappoint you, betray you, hurt you. Etc.,. They will also, love you, make you laugh, make you smile etc.
So you have to undertsand that the Craetor gave you this people,a s a blessing, forgive them, and enjoy them, My parenst are teh greatest gift i have recived so far, maybe my kids (inshallah) will be greater (currently no on can top my mother.. it will be hard to see if someone can replace this)
Anyway you see my point?. I focus on them, i provide for them, my world centres on them, not the pursujit of happiness. I don't wanna be in shock when they die.. thinking what happened, where did they go. I want to read the Quran for them. I want Allah (swt) to have mercy for them.I do not want to be selfish and be concerned only with my self. I had this silver braclet that i had to give away, i was starting to love it to much.. see if your not careful, you start worshiping Idols... hmm modern day idols, clothes cars, jewelrwy..anyone?. Please my moschino wearing friends are testiment to this..trust em on this. My uncle has a wardrobe of clothes so wide.. if i go to his hosue, he phones me form work at least ten times..saying "don't wear any of my clothes".lol "don't let your freinds wear any of my clotrhes".. if your not careful things start to own you.
i hope you may understand where i am coming from sahib.. i have opened my eyes and my mind..and also my heart..would you wish for me to close them again.
It si inetersting that we live in a socitye in which rational intellect and military strength are the only two qualities admired. We send our young off to learn these in either university or the army.
There is this book called "learn how to swim with sharks"..that is wjhat people say "get tough"..you know, bite before you are beaton..but is this health.. only sharks swim with sharks don't they.. pretty soon..we will all be little sharks.. that isn't a civilisation is it?
peace my brother |
| Hakima | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 02:42 am
lol @ formerguest.
Why on earth would u say that? Actually, i like reading what ever i see. That definitely would not make me super...super... what was it (lol).
And, if you wanna blame someone...i'll give u my father's #...he was the one who spent thousands of dollars...on those schools i attended...lol.
I study economics :-)
peace... |
| Hakima | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 02:52 am
and common is what i call a polysci student!
r u? :-) |
| asad | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:49 am
"Galool You know.. its deep.. i feel sorry for you.. Asad feels sorry for me. Its like a circle."
and what do you feel about me, common? did you say that you feel that i am jealous of you? ;-)
"On another thing, i think he is wrong,i am here really only to learn and teach,learn what i don't,teach what i know, learn and teach,learn and teach, my purpose of talking to you.. is truly, truly only so that you may return to the fold of Islam."
i said i was not here to learn and teach islam. if you are here to learn and teach islam that is your business, but i am going to point out things that i think are discrepencies made by people here about islam----not out of jealousy, though. ;-) if people do not like this, they can feel anything they want----they can call me names too if they want to. ;-)
"I have probably been wrong in the way i pursed this..in fact i know i have been."
lol
"I think i have explained myself to you before, but Noah(pbuh) talked to people about Islam for 700 years and some did not accept, so i am in it for the long run.lol.."
i think it was more than 700 years. ;-) |
| Hakima | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 07:47 am
"and what do u feel about me, common? did you say that you feel that i am jealous of u?"
Anas said reported "the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: Do not hate one another and be jealous of one another and be servants of Allah..."
Ibn Abbas said " the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: He is not of us who does not show mercy to our little ones and respect to our great ones..."
peace... |
| formerguest. | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:01 pm
HAKIMA.
<Why on earth would u say that? >
Because I find all those poltytheists of the greek progeny to be superstitious people.
<Actually, i like reading what ever i see. That definitely would not make me super...super... what was it (lol). >
That is not a proplem if you know islam very well and understand it. Particularly towxiid WHICH COMES in handy when you deal with psyhcology and philosophy. You have to have something factual to compare with the speculation, theories and the mere talk of philosophers and psychologists. Many muslims were lost after the greek philosophy was translated from greek to Arabic. You don't wanna follow their path. I know you are holding good but didn't want you have some irregulaties in the purse lol.
<And, if you wanna blame someone...i'll give u my father's #...he was the one who spent thousands of dollars...on those schools i attended...lol. >
First, I do think your father had done a good job in raising you the way you are, based on your conduct on these forumss YOU ARE NICE. Second, I think you will cause A RIOT IF YOU LEAVE YOUR NUMBER HERE LOL. Don't forget there are guys stalking around never saying anything but are interested in such precious young lady. Plus, I don't think you were serious enough to leave your number on the public lol. Just one of those generous jokes ladies offer to hungry beasts.
Economics are good. Hope you add some computer skills on top of that. As for me, I don't have a degree but have the ambition of getting one. I am working on it inshallah. I will register for the winter if I get the money. wassalaam. |
| Sweetgirl | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:25 pm
Common man you are deep, I thought most somali guys atleast the ones that I've seen where shallow and materialistic but you're cool. Be that way. |
| Sweetgirl | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:02 pm
Common
I couldn't help but notice that you mentioned Hamza Yusuf in one of your posts, but isn't he a sufi? and sufism has no place in Islam. I heard negative stuff about him you can tell me more about him though cause it would be unfair if I judged him without knowing anything about him. |
| Sweetgirl | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:05 pm
Galool that's not true I like Asad he is a nice guy. |
| asad | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:14 pm
"Anas said reported "the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: Do not hate one another and be jealous of one another and be servants of Allah..."
al haq
Ibn Abbas said " the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: He is not of us who does not show mercy to our little ones and respect to our great ones..."
al haq |
| asad | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:16 pm
"Galool that's not true I like Asad he is a nice guy."
lol |
| Hakima | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:37 pm
Thanks Formerguest :-)
I do know what you are talking about. But let me remind you one thing, that the translations that muslim scholars did from Greek thought esp Greek medicine was the beginning for Islamic progress. However, I do agree with that some of the philosophies that they borrowed shouldn't be pursued and i believe that was the start of cilm al-kalaam. I think that also caused many discrepancies between madhab al-hanifi and madhab al-hanbali.
Don't worry brother, thanks to Allah, i do have a good mind. I know what i should take n what i should leave.
sweetgirl: me too sis, i always thought negatively about sufism until i took my philosophy with a german sufi. Girl,since then i had a different way of viewing life.
peace... |
| formerguest. | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 07:58 pm
Hakima.
True. The European renneisance and the current civilization the west enjoys were due to that translations by muslim scholars. However, not everything translated were good as you pointed out. If one must read something about those stuff it is best to read from known scholars like Ibnul qayyim, and Ibnu teymiya, There are others who did a great job too which I plan to read some of their stuff in the future like, Alkindi, Faqruddiin razi, Ibnu xazm al-andalusi. I don't like reading anything that is bigger than my capacity for now. There is a sea out there whereby without a navigation you will get lost forever. The basics are always safe for everybody.
I also saw some stuff from the dialogues of Plato like; Apology, and Charmides inwhcih I saw how people can easily get lost through the rhetorics of manipulating words which mean the same. Also, I saw some of the works of Aristotle like; "On the Sole" which is completely a maze of words and metaphysics, craziness at its best. I know why after I read that psychologists tend to be talking to themselves all the time and at the end of their life mostly end up in psychiatric homes. Psychoanalysing everyone that talks to them. By the way, if I wasn't afraid the partisanship that reaked havoc on the otherside of the forumss to take root in here I would challenge some of your sayings. For now, I took the fifth. |
| common | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 02:01 am
nice messages guys.
let me voice my opinions
asad again, brother i am sorry if you were offended by my words.
Hakima, yeah you are right political science..<smile>.. written all over my messages huh?.lol.
Sweetgirl, thank you for the compliments, i probably(almost definatley) don't desreve them as much as you think sister.
a lot of people have said that about Sheikh Hamza.. there was even this one Somali shiekh who went to the extent of saying that we should not listen to anyone who speaks of Islam in English.
I try and take the best of his speech and disregard the rest..and find most of it is manashallah very good. I have not known him to mislead from the Quran and sunnah, i really don't know too much about his status macaangirl.. i like his lectures though sorry i could help further.
have you guys heard about that great muslim scholar?. I can't remember his name..by it is said that if his work was calculated it would have taken him at least his whole lifetime, of writing a hundred pages a day!.. thats a whole lot of writing. He wrote a book called the incoherence of the philosophers..is this one of the guys you guys are talking about.
Formerguest.. i feel you man.. i think i would get lost in some of that stuff too.. basics it is for now inshallah
wasalaam all |
| Sweetgirl | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 03:29 am
Hakima aren't the sufis the ones with the wrong aqeedah that say there is nothing but allah, the other day I was looking up info on the net and I came across this sufi site that said stuff like Allah dwells on the heart of his servant and if you closely listen to your heart then you hear the sound uh uh uh......anyways I thought they were weird. But it's good to keep an open mind and ofcourse you can judge for yourself....one more thing if you live in Toronto then I think I know which uni you go to.....I could be wrong though. You can forget all about it if you don't. |
| Hakima | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 04:18 am
formerguest:
I think it is a very good idea to read for alkindi (the philosopher of the Arabs) but hey Razi...i think his name was Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyya ar-Razi. By the way, nothing is bigger than your capacity...i have not seen a smart somali brother in my life LIKE U :-)
common: Man...i never enjoyed taking political sci courses...as economics student...all we know is two words SINCE.....THEREFORE :-)
Sweetgirl: I don't know that much about sufism myself...but my first philosophy course...was with this guy who was sufi...i just could help admiring how he taught and indeed by the end of the semester...i quit many things i used to do.
Never been in a uni in Toronto :-)
peace... |
| asad | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 05:57 am
"asad again, brother i am sorry if you were offended by my words."
i did not get offended. ;-) |
