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HEY, ALL MUSLIMS DO ANY ONE THINK THIS "ASAD" NEED HELP?

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Anonymous2

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 01:26 am
THAT IS IF HE IS A MUSLIM AS HE CLAIMES!!!!!!

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asad

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 07:01 am
"HEY, ALL MUSLIMS DO ANY ONE THINK THIS "ASAD" NEED HELP?"

yes, asd needs the help of Allah; don't you need help too? ;-)

"THAT IS IF HE IS A MUSLIM AS HE CLAIMES!!!!!!"

lol-------> as he claims. ;-)

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Muslim.

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:02 am
Anon2
Salaamu Alaykum sis/br

I very much think this guy is confuse, but I will leave him to (Allah s.w.t) if he is here to Confuse Muslim children. he will pay a heavy price in the judgment day. That is if he is a muslim Person, who knows what he is doing.

wasalaam

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asad

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 08:40 am
"I very much think this guy is confuse, but I will leave him to (Allah s.w.t) if he is here to Confuse Muslim children."

lol-----muslim children. ;-)

"he will pay a heavy price in the judgment day."

that is if i'm throwing insults, right? ;-)

"That is if he is a muslim Person"

do you think it is for you or anyone else to find out if i'm a muslim or not? ;-)

"who knows what he is doing."

i thought you said i'm here to "confuse muslim children.":O ;-)

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Sweetgirl

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 03:15 pm
Yes he needs help, time management help that is.
He is always getting his two cents in........ This is what a typical day for asad looks like.
12 hours: Reading messages on somalinet forumss.
12 hours: Cutting and pasting messages, and then analysing every sentence, and this is a 24hour 7day a week kinda thing.

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asad

Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 04:20 pm
wow, now i became a superman---doing 24/7 on here. sweetgirl, since you insults didn't work, you decided to come up with this, right? let me ask you this: what about you---how does your typical day looks like, the time times you read and post here as anonymous---do you think that is what i need to do also in order to manage my time posting as anonymous. ;-)

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Sweetgirl

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 09:47 am
me post as anonymous now why on earth would I do that? where did you get such an idea from? And why do you think I'm insulting you I'm just telling the truth as always........this is the first time I see you not cutting and pasting other people's words I'm surprised.

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 09:59 am
"me post as anonymous now"

are you saying you did it before? ;-)

"why on earth would I do that?"

yes, why? ;-)

"where did you get such an idea from?"

lol

"And why do you think I'm insulting you I'm just telling the truth as always"

lol-----telling you the truth = insulting you. ;-)

"this is the first time I see you not cutting and pasting other people's words I'm surprised."

don't be. usually when i follow up----right after the person whom i'm commenting his or her posts----i do not cut and paste. ;-)

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anonymous

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 10:30 am
Asad

"don't be. usually when i follow up----right after the person whom i'm commenting his or her posts----i do not cut and paste. ;-)


so why u just did then? pasting and cutting cuz are following right after the person you commiting. Damb! LOL

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 10:35 am
"so why u just did then?"

does usually mean always? ;-)

"pasting and cutting cuz are following right after the person you commiting. Damb! LOL"

lol----committing. ;-)

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WAXBAAN QOONSADAY

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 11:54 am
SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS;
IF ASAD IS MUSLIM AS HE IS CLAIMING, HE SHOULD GET ENOUGH KOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECTS HE IS TRYING TO DISCUSS. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE SHOUDN'T BE WASTING OUR TIME THE PEOPLE WHO IS TRYING TO RECONCILE THEIR IDEAS AND DESIRES WITH ISLAM.

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:17 pm
"IF ASAD IS MUSLIM AS HE IS CLAIMING, HE SHOULD GET ENOUGH KOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECTS HE IS TRYING TO DISCUSS."

i do not know islam, but i know enough of what is discussed here. ;-). do you think the people who come here in order to discuss islam know what they are talking about? if they knew what they were talking about, let them answer thae questions that are put to them? ;-)

"ON THE OTHER HAND, WE SHOUDN'T BE WASTING OUR TIME THE PEOPLE WHO IS TRYING TO RECONCILE THEIR IDEAS AND DESIRES WITH ISLAM."

if i desire to learn islam, i'm not coming here to learn it. ;-). are you here to learn islam from these so-called knowledgable people in isalm which i'm not one of them, waxbaan qoonsady? ;-)

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 12:20 pm
by the way, i like the username WAXBAAN QOONSADAY better than the anonymous usernames. ;-)

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WAXBAANQOOSADAY

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 01:01 pm
TO ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS;
WE ALL NEED TO LEARN BASIC ISLAAMIC KNOWLEDGE, BEFORE WE MAKE SERIOUS FATWAS. AS WE ARE REMINDED EVERYDAY, THE MUSLIMS MUST AVOID ACUSSATIONS AND FINGER POINTING. MUSLIM RELIGION FOSTERS LOVE, HARMONY,COMMON BROTHERHOOD AMONG MUSLIMS. IN FACT, WE HAVE TO CONFRONT AND EDUCATE MANY SOMALIS, WHO NEED TO REDO THE SHAHADAH, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE POSTING ON THE SOMALINET ARE TOTAL SHIRK.
TO CLARIFY MY POINT, THEY DENOUNCE DAILY MANY THINGS THAT HAS BEEN OBLIGED BY THE SHARIAH. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO BE CONFRONTED WITH DETERMINATION AND THAT NEEDS COLLECTIVE EFFORTS.
I MYSELF, TRY TO STUDY DEEPLY OF THE SUBJECTS I WANT TO DISCUSS, TO AVOID FLAGRANT VIOLATIONS OF THE ISLAMIC RULES AND PRINCPLES.

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 01:41 pm
"WE ALL NEED TO LEARN BASIC ISLAAMIC KNOWLEDGE, BEFORE WE MAKE SERIOUS FATWAS."

i agree that we must learn the diin, but even if we learn the *basic* islamic knowledge, should we make fatwas? i don't think so. ;-)

"AS WE ARE REMINDED EVERYDAY, THE MUSLIMS MUST AVOID ACUSSATIONS AND FINGER POINTING."

i wonder who is doing the finger pointing here? ;-)

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fomreguest.

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 02:45 pm
Wa-Qoonsadey.

I think you guys are proving nothing to denounce asad. Asad never claimed to be a scholar. He never said people have to learn islam from him. He debates with people who visit here to take cheap shots at islam. If you guys have more sounding beats than he does why not join the fray and do something about it?. If you know any better than he does your answers are needed in many places. Don't just denounce somebody for the heck of it. Tell me a debate where Asad took part inwhich the title was "LEARN ISLAM FROM ME". All debates were about islam being nothing or something akin to that.

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asad

Friday, November 10, 2000 - 03:30 pm
"I think you guys are proving nothing to denounce asad."

formerguest, i think these people are trying their best to character assassinate a person whom they disagreed with----when they found out that they could not defend their position------which had many discrepancies----they resorted to many tactics---from insults to other divergences from the issues---while using different usernames (mostly anonymous usernames). ;-). but guess what, frustration will overwhelm them; they can pull whatever trick they want, but asad would not go away. ;-)

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Galool

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 12:19 am
Hey Asad
That is more like it! FG at last decided to call off the little sharp-toothed beardy piranhas off your scent. He must have heeded my advice. about time too, as I believe they were getting to you, (you even thought that the Anons included Common, Sweetgirl and myself!)
Welcome back to reality.

Common
Where are you? Did asad give you a knockout through sheer bore-power? Sorry pal, it has to be you! I knew he will claim a victim.

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formerguest.

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 01:10 am
Galool.

Asad is my friend. I have known him for almost two years through e-mails and phone calls though not often. Believe me, we share some commonalities between us that I don't wanna mention here. The argument I had with him was one that I intended him to be less vocal with his critics so there is less fingerpointing. Our main objective should be frying people like you and hang them with their ropes they provide to us through their ill fitted arguments. Besides. COMMON seems to be your main objective of all debates. You think he is some kind of indecisive fella that can be twisted around to no value at all. You have no respect for the man I say. Your appeal to him speaks of your fear that intelligent people are taking islam as their guide. I know you would shower me with praises had I not shown you some of your nightmares.

I don't remember you giving an advice to me lol. All you did was say I needed all the adulation to my myself rermember?. Like I expect due flattery from people to gain my selfsteem. I draw my strength not from insulting people like you do, I draw my strenght from facts and real tangible thoughts that bear fruits. I know how to respect a foe and a friend. In this case, you are a lost somali fella and apostate that needs ALLAH'S Help. I recognize your plight and wish for you a good end in your life so that you don't regrett later. I hope you will remember someday the point of our arguments with you when and if you are guided.

LATER.

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Anonymous2

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 04:51 am
Formerguess

I think you are a best when it cames to defend in Islam.....May Allah guide you always!!!!and u really seem u know what you talking about....But please if so you sure know ASAD...why can,t tell Us earlier that you know him....and why don,t you talk to him personaly?// am not saying that u have to.....but Com,on...do you really agree his Islamic point of Views??? if yes do you really Believe....Mumun=some one who is not Practising Islam???? if yes can you tell me where to look for Proof please?

You now what, I do believe this guy Make up something ...that is not in the Quran....and that is not exceptable...no matter if you muslim or not...We need a proof!!!!


peace

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:15 am
"Hey Asad That is more like it!"

lol

"FG at last decided to call off the little sharp-toothed beardy piranhas off your scent."

lol--->off your scent. ;-)

"He must have heeded my advice."

do you mean, he didn't take the bait you and your friend threw at here when using anonymous? ;-)

"about time too, as I believe they were getting to you"

didn't you notice that i was enjoying it. ;-)

"you even thought that the Anons included Common, Sweetgirl and myself!"

you know well that it does not matter to me in whatever username (s) you take. ;-)

"Welcome back to reality."

if this cyber place were real place, we would not see people hiding behind in different usernames, would we? ;-)

"Common Where are you? Did asad give you a knockout through sheer bore-power?"

lol

"Sorry pal, it has to be you! I knew he will claim a victim."

lol

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:23 am
"if yes do you really Believe....Mumun=some one who is not Practising Islam????"

let me ask you this (and i know you are not going to answer this question since you avoided it many many times): annonymous2, are you a mumin(a) and if you are, do you always practice the rules in the Qur'an and sunnah? when you don't practice, don't you sin and when you sin, are you still not a munim(a)?;-)


if yes can you tell me where to look for Proof please?

i'll give you proof if you answer the question above. ;-)

"You now what, I do believe this guy Make up something ...that is not in the Quran....and that is not exceptable...no matter if you muslim or not...We need a proof!!!! "

lol------if you are a muslim or not. ;-) anonymous2, are you saying the verses i cited for you were not in the Qur'an? ;-)

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Galool

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:29 am
FG
I never targeted my debates towards anyone, and I most certainly do not believe that Common is somehow a soft-touch. On the contrary. He is demonstrably intelligent (In fact the guy would be a genius if he did not surrender his intellect to Allah as he claims he did) and presents his arguments with sharp precision(well, most of the time anyway)
What stands out in him is simple. He still have some sense of humour left in him (sadly one of the first things to go when people become immersed in organised religion)
He also still occasionally tries to see things from other people's point view, which makes for interesting debate. Let us compare this to your Sheikhness's approach. Dogmatic, strait-laced and as dry as a thirsty camel's butt. You resort to simply stating the official Line when cornered("If the Quran says so then IT MUST be true even though I know it does not make sense":O
I tell you FG, you would have made an excellent mid-ranking Stalinist apparatchik!
Common has a different way of doing things. Caught in similar situation he tries to wriggle and wiggle and throw one or two smoke bombs for good measure - which makes him an interesting, if slippery foe. As for asad, well what can I say. I see that first cut'n'pasted repeat of what I just said and my spirits sink! I make a valiant attempt to read just one long, grey, faceless, meaningless, arrogant message and go to bed without quite knowing what the guy was on about! Excellent sedative I tell you!

FG, I told you I am not scared of hell, but I am prepared to change my mind. Here is an opportunity for you to earn yourself some nice little brownie points, or Ajr as you call them. Why don't you tell me the different ways God supposedly tortures people? and how would you react to a HUMAN torturer? love him? respect him? be afraid of him? or fight against him? Why would a human being be expected to react differently to a vengeful deity determined to subject eternal torture to anyone who disagrees with him?
Is it or is it not ETERNAL TORTURE that is promised by Allah to the likes of me? Answer truthfully FG. No official lines please.

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Anonymous

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:34 am
To Galool,

Your first sentence tells me your aim!!!!!

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Galool

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:34 am
Asad
Sorry pal. What I said in my last message was cruel, and not quite true. You can be a pain in the system but your determined stubborness still brings a smile (and sometimes a frown) on my face. I wouldn't otherwise be reading it would I?
Again sorry.

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 06:48 am
"Let us compare this to your Sheikhness's approach. Dogmatic, strait-laced and as dry as a thirsty camel's butt. You resort to simply stating the official Line when cornered("If the Quran says so then IT MUST be true even though I know it does not make sense"

this is what i was trying to tell you earlier-----that whenever the muslims recite the Qur'an for you, you will run like a theif. ;-). if i were fomerguest, i will continue to recite the Qur'anic verses. ;-) it is historical facts that whenever the pagans arabs used to hear the Qura'nic verses recited, they used to hate it so much that they wished that the muslims do not employ the Qur'an, but that was not going to happen. ;-) while formerguest is reciting the Qura'n for you, i'll will be doing the honors of being an excellent sedative. ;-)

"As for asad, well what can I say. I see that first cut'n'pasted repeat of what I just said and my spirits sink!"

lol---->my spirits sink. ;-)

"I make a valiant attempt to read just one long, grey, faceless, meaningless, arrogant message"

lol

"and go to bed without quite knowing what the guy was on about!"

lol

"Excellent sedative I tell you!"

like i said earlier, frustration will continue to overwelm you and i'm here to be doing the honors of being an excellent sedative. ;-)

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 07:28 am
"Asad Sorry pal."

lol

"What I said in my last message was cruel, and not quite true."

no, i thought it was funny. ;-)

"You can be a pain in the system but your determined stubborness still brings a smile (and sometimes a frown) on my face."

the feeling is mutual when i read your *his story* and your *obduracy*. ;-)

"I wouldn't otherwise be reading it would I?
Again sorry."

lol

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 07:35 am
"Why don't you tell me the different ways God supposedly tortures people?"

which people----the pagans, the athiests, right? ;-)

"and how would you react to a HUMAN torturer?"

the same way you would? do you think the athiests will love the torture; do you think hilter's vitims loved the the torture? ;-)

"love him? respect him? be afraid of him? or fight against him?"

do you love a man like hitler, golool?

"Why would a human being be expected to react differently to a vengeful deity determined to subject eternal torture to anyone who disagrees with him?"

do not blame Allah if you reject him and hate his rules. if you decided to went to hell, it is you who put took the way to get there. Allah showed you the way, but you hated His way, right? ;-)


"Is it or is it not ETERNAL TORTURE that is promised by Allah to the likes of me?"

yes, but Allah showed you the way and gave you the freedom to choose. if you choose your way, don't blame Allah. ;-)

"Answer truthfully FG. No official lines please."

lol

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Anonymous2

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 08:26 am
ASAd

No one can tel if he/ she a MUMIN/A....only Allah knows......But to became a MUMIN..you need to practice Islam "100%" and I am not practising Islam right now,in 100% therefore ....I can,t call myself... a MUMINA!....do u get me.

peace

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Hakima

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 08:29 am
Bro Asad,

by the way, non-practising ...does not mean that the person had once or twice commited a sin and then he/she knew that he/she were on fault and asked Allah forgiveness. What i didn't clear out with you couple of days ago, that non-practising (to me meant) is not doing what Allah has ordered us to do in the short run & in the long run... and eventually is not a moumin.

"What is Faith? when your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is a sin? when a thing disturbs (the peace of) your heart, give it up"

Does that makes a sense to you, asad?

peace...

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Hakima

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 08:38 am
Anon2;

How can a person practise Islam 100%? And, if we were able to practise it 100% (Allah knows what u mean by that), why are we having so many sects?
I believe that everyone should do his/her best and leave the rest for Allah to judge.

peace...

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asad

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 01:51 pm
"I am not practising Islam right now,in 100% therefore ....I can,t call myself... a MUMINA!....do u get me."

if you say you are not a mumina, then you are not a mumina. as for me, i'm a munin because i believe all the arkaanul iman. do you believe all the arkaanul iman, anonymous2? ;-)

"by the way, non-practising ...does not mean that the person had once or twice commited a sin"

but when (the once and the twice times) he o she was committing the sin, he or she was not practicing the rule of Allah, right? ;-)

"and then he/she knew that he/she were on fault and asked Allah forgiveness."

you are only going to be asked what you knew or did delibratly. for example, you ate a sandwich which was haraam (bork sandwitch), but you didn't know it was bork, do you think you committed sin? ;-)

"What i didn't clear out with you couple of days ago, that non-practising (to me meant) is not doing what Allah has ordered us to do in the short run & in the long run... and eventually is not a moumin."

are you a munina, hakima and do you commit or break the orders of Allah sometimes? ;-)

"What is Faith?

faith is iman. do you have faith in all the arkaanul iman, hakima? ;-)

"when your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer."

okay.

"What is a sin?

breaking the laws of Allah. do you break the laws of Allah sometimes, hakima or you are sinless? ;-)

"when a thing disturbs (the peace of) your heart, give it up"

okay.

"Does that makes a sense to you, asad?

no, are you saying you are not munina because you commit sin (break the law of Allah sometimes) or are you saying that you do not commit sin therefore you are a munina? ;-)

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formerguest.

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 04:11 pm
Galool Museylama!.

How is your excellency lol?.


You said: <FG I never targeted my debates towards anyone>.

Oh yeah?!. All your messages have the resonance of a desparate caller to hell. You are not as smart as ibliis though. Long way to cover lol.


< (In fact the guy(COMMON) would be a genius if he did not surrender his intellect to Allah as he claims he did) and presents his arguments with sharp precision(well, most of the time anyway) >


COMMON would be a fool if he didn't surrender his intellect to ALLAH. Who wouldn't except a loser?. Another point is that Allah is the originator of the intellect and wisdom humans enjoy. Didn't he create them in the first place?. What is there to surrender or not Surrender?. The person who lacks the ingenuity is the one who refused to surrender his intellect FOR ALLAH says:

"2.171 The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom."


You see yourself in there Galool?. Only men of understanding get the message. You have to be genius to believe in ALLAH.

"2.269 He grants wisdom to whom He pleases; and he to whom wisdom is granted receives indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding."


There!. Right there muslims are ranked in the men of understanding. Only a fool misses the point.


< He still have some sense of humour left in him (sadly one of the first things to go when people become immersed in organised religion) >

You measure people by being humourous. That is how much you know about life. Eat like a PIG and mate like a dog and laugh the hell out of yourself. Is that what you want people do with their lives?. Just be merry?. That is how FAR your knowledge goes for ALLAH says about people like YOU:

"30:7. They know but the outer (things) in the life of this world: but of the Hereafter they are heedless.

30:8. Do they not reflect in their own minds? Not but in truth and for a term appointed, did Allah create the heavens and the earth, and all between them: yet are there truly many among men who deny the meeting with their Lord (at the Resurrection)!"

Galool, you seriously need to WORRY MY FRIEND. You are not putting your intellect to the test. In fact, you are the one who surrendered his intellect TO SATAN and needs to reflect.


<I tell you FG, you would have made an excellent mid-ranking Stalinist apparatchik! Common has a different way of doing things>

Everybody has a different way of doing things. So what is the big deal here?. Does characteristics being unique to individuals ring a bell here or not?. Whether I would be what you said or not is not important. I wasn't expecting praises from you. WE HAVE A WAR GOING ON AROUND HERE. Let us DO BATTLE lol. I don't complain about your sources you don't complain about MINE DEAL?.


<FG, I told you I am not scared of hell, but I am prepared to change my mind.>


That is good to know. Only ALLAH can help you change your mind.


<Here is an opportunity for you to earn yourself some nice little brownie points, or Ajr as you call them.>

I didn't know you were such GENEROUS FELLA lol. But anyway, May allah grant us all what we desire and guidance for you.


<Why don't you tell me the different ways God supposedly tortures people?>


No proplem. Particularly, I will quote what will happen people like you who thought they were smart. Al-quran:


43.77. They will cry: "O Málik! Would that your Lord put an end to us!" He will say, "Nay, but you shall abide!"

78. Verily We have brought the Truth to you: but most of you have a hatred for Truth.

79. What! Have they settled some plan (among themselves)? But it is We Who settle things.

80. Or do they think that We hear not their secrets and their private counsels? Indeed (We do), and Our messengers are by them, to record.

See that GALOOL?. Tell me you don't have hatred for the truth and call it all the names you can find?. Tell me you don't have MARXIST plan that you invite people to?. Tell me you are aware that it IS ALLAH who settles the plans AND NOT YOU?.


You said: <and how would you react to a HUMAN torturer? love him? respect him? be afraid of him? or fight against him?>


You are comparing two uncomparable beings. Correct your comparison then you will get an answer from me if I can. Before that, Read this advice from the Quran:


10:104. Say: "O you men! If you are in doubt as to my religion, (behold!) I worship not what you worship, other than Allah! But I worship Allah - Who will take your souls (at death): I am commanded to be (in the ranks) of the Believers,

105. "And further (thus): set your face towards Religion with true piety, and never in any wise be of the Unbelievers;

106. "'Nor call on any, other than Allah!- Such will neither profit you nor hurt you: if you do, behold! you shall certainly be of those who do wrong."

107. If Allah do touch you with hurt, there is none can remove it but He: if He do design some benefit for you, there is none can keep back His favor: He causes it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleases. And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

108. Say: "O you men! Now Truth has reached you from your Lord! those who receive Guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs."

109. Follow the inspiration sent unto you, and be patient and constant, till Allah do decide: for He is the best to decide. "


You said: <Why would a human being be expected to react differently to a vengeful deity determined to subject eternal torture to anyone who disagrees with him? >

Allah is revengeful and HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SO LOOKING AT YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS HIM. First you denied he created you, Second, you insult him day and night, third, you are using all his facilities and never THANK HIM. You denied all his messengers, You think you are better than everybody to a point where YOU DARE DEMAND SOME ANSWERS FROM ALLAH, WELL, What do you expect?. You broke your covenant with him ace. It fitts that you be punished for good.

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Galool

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 05:55 am
FG
Thanks for your response. I have no problem with people being different, having different ways of doing things. You are the ones who shout conformity from the rooftops.
You did admit that God is vengeful. In fact that is one of his names (al-Muntaqim, the one who takes revenge). I would suggest to you that taking revenge is not really an appropriate behaviour for one so Compassionate. You also admitted quite blatantly that God has the right to torture his creations, simply because they have been ungrateful and unruly! I find that incredible. My kids are often ungrateful and unruly but I, a weak, imperfect mortal does not resort to torturing them (although I sometimes feel like it!)
Anyways. No point in dwelling on this point. You will as usual reiterate the Official line and quote particularly irrelevant verses from the holy Quran.
However, it may be worthwhile to remind you that it is Allah who decides who becomes a Believer and who doesn't. Inna Llaaha Yehdii man Yashaa wa yazullu man yashaa! If the Almighty decides to "misguide" me, then I suppose I have no choice in the matter, have I? Hardly sounds fair though. If Allah decided to lead me down the wrong alley, for reasons known only to him, then surely it is not fair that he also subjects me to eternal torture for decisions he made in the first place? I know the Mukhayyir vs. Muszayyir debate is big deal in Islam, and the various long-beards have different takes on it and I would be pleased to know what yours is FG.

Anyway, since it seems there is no hope for me, I will go down to my local Bar to get smashed! I might as well enjoy myself as much as I can while I can! You mentioned eating, mating and having a good time, I thought that is exactly what is promised to believers like you in heaven. Can't be that bad then can it FG?
So long my friend.

PS: I think Common was advised by a minor beardo not talk to me, so I suppose I am stuck with you and asad! oh dear!

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asad

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 06:18 am
"You also admitted quite blatantly that God has the right to torture his creations, simply because they have been ungrateful and unruly!"

yes, He can and will torture the wrong doers and He can and will forgive them. He can and will reward the rightious doers and He can and will be help for them the right course. ;-)

"I find that incredible."

i find incredible that a man like hitler will go free unpanished for what he did and believed. ;-)


"My kids are often ungrateful and unruly but I, a weak, imperfect mortal does not resort to torturing them (although I sometimes feel like it!)"

God does not have kids. ;-)

"However, it may be worthwhile to remind you that it is Allah who decides who becomes a Believer and who doesn't.Inna Llaaha Yehdii man Yashaa wa yazullu man yashaa! If the Almighty decides to "misguide" me, then I suppose I have no choice in the matter, have I? Hardly sounds fair though. If Allah decided to lead me down the wrong alley, for reasons known only to him, then surely it is not fair that he also subjects me to eternal torture for decisions he made in the first place? I know the Mukhayyir vs. Muszayyir debate is big deal in Islam, and the various long-beards have different takes on it and I would be pleased to know what yours is FG. "

free will, galool, free will to choose the bath of hell or heaven. Allah will help and guide those whose heart want the bath to rightiousness and He will let go and not guide those who choose the bath to irriligious. ;-). again, don't blame Allah for your choice. ;-)

"Anyway, since it seems there is no hope for me, I will go down to my local Bar to get smashed!. I might as well enjoy myself as much as I can while I can!"

lol---->no hope for me. ;-). let the theif steal, because God made him or her hands to take things; let a man rape, because God made him a rapist, right? what an excuse to do things, right? ;-)

"You mentioned eating, mating and having a good time, I thought that is exactly what is promised to believers like you in heaven."

yes, and i'm looking forward to that, especailly the----you know what. ;-)

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Hakima

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 07:47 am
asad,

i m saying i m moumina because i unintentionally read ur mind. That was Allah's test for my Iman.


peace...

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asad

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 10:25 am
"i m saying i m moumina because i unintentionally read ur mind. That was Allah's test for my Iman."

i didn't know that you reading my mine unintentionally were part of arkaanul iman. ;-)

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Hakima

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 07:43 pm
asad,

u r a typical:

fasaar al-maa bacd juhdin bee aan al-maa maa :-)


peace...

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asad

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 07:54 pm
"asad, u r a typical"

lol

"fasaar al-maa bacd juhdin bee aan al-maa maa :-)"

al-maa maa to you too. ;-)

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Hakima

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 02:08 am
lol

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Hakima

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 02:20 am
i'll pay for the translation...take it to a translator :-)

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WAXQOONSADE

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 06:15 am
ASSAAMU CALAA MAN ITABACAL HUDAA.
TO FORMERGUEST

DON'T GET ME WRONG, ASAD HAS NOTHING TO OFFER WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAMIC ISSUES, BECAUSE HE LIKES TO DEBATE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE. EVERY MUSLIM HAS TO KNOW THAT DEBATE IS PROHIBITED. THERE IS MANY VERSES IN THE HOLY BOOK AND GREAT HADITH BOOKS THAT MENTION THAT DEBATING IS NOT ALLOWED. IF YOU SEE SUCH PERSON, YOU ARE TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM. ASAD HAS ONE INTENTION: TO MAKE SURE TO WIN THE DEBATE.
ON TOP OF THAT, ISLAM HAS ANSWER FOR EVERY THING AND DON,T SEE ASAD DERIVING HIS ARGUMENT FROM THE SHARIAH TO SUBSTANTIATE THE SSUES HE IS DISCUSSING
SO MY QUESTION IS WHO IS HE FOLLOWING?
FORMERGUEST, IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID, MY SOLE PURPOSE WAS, INSTEAD OF DEBATING WITH SOMEONE YOU COULD NOT AGREE WITH ANYTHING, THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE UNISLAMIC PRACTICES,IF YOU CAN CONVEY THE AUTHENTIC SACRED LAW.
ARE YOU ARE SHARPENING YOUR DEBATING SKILLS GUYS?
TO SISTER HAKIMA.
ALSHABAAB QAD CAJASUU CANIL CILMI WAXAAWALUU JUHDIHIM ILAA ITIKHAADI CIMULKALAAM. WADYACUU OQAATIHIM BILKHUSUUMAH WALJADAL WA AXWAALUL LAA FAA'IIDATA LUHUM FII AAKHITATAHUM

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asad

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 06:52 am
"DON'T GET ME WRONG, ASAD HAS NOTHING TO OFFER WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAMIC ISSUES BECAUSE HE LIKES TO DEBATE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE. EVERY MUSLIM HAS TO KNOW THAT DEBATE IS PROHIBITED."

i point out discrepencies when i see it and there is nothing unislamic about this, but you are right---i do not know how to teach islam. i mean, i'm not here to offer islamic issues (classess). ;-)

"IF YOU SEE SUCH PERSON, YOU ARE TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM."

are you staying away from asad, WAXQOONSADE? ;-)

"ASAD HAS ONE INTENTION: TO MAKE SURE TO WIN THE DEBATE."

i'm not here to win or loose anything. ;-)

"ON TOP OF THAT, ISLAM HAS ANSWER FOR EVERY THING AND DON,T SEE ASAD DERIVING HIS ARGUMENT FROM THE SHARIAH TO SUBSTANTIATE THE SSUES HE IS DISCUSSING?"

and i'm not breaking any sharia law by pointing out discrepenices and by asking questions, am i? ;-)

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Anonymous

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 08:21 am
Asad

you are really SAD looser...allah knows how much i hate your nonsense!!!!!!!!!!

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QOONSADE

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 09:07 am
ASAD
AS I INDICATED BEFORE, YOU OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REALITY, WHEN IT COMES TO TO RELIGIOUS POINT OF VIEW. YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING APART OTHER PEOPLES STATEMENTS AND REFUTING IT LINE BY LINE TO DELIVER THE FINAL BUNCH AND WIN THE DEBATE. THE REASON I TOOK PART THESE DISCUSSIONS, WAS SOLELY TO REMIND YOU AND ADVICE YOU THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE POSTING WICKED PRACTICES ON SOMALINET AND YOUR RELIGOUS EXPERTISE IS REQUIRED, RATHER THAN ENGAGING IN A FRUITLESS DEBATES WHICH HAS NO VALUE. AS THE MATTER OF THE FACT, POINTING OUT DESCREPENCIES NEEDS A SOUND KNOWLEDGE AND NOT AN EMPTY TALKS AND JUDGEMENTAL ARGUMENTS. SECONDLY,WHEN YOU WANT TO DISAPPROVE A WRONG ACTS MENTION TAXTUAL EVIDENCE(KITAAB AND SUNNA)TO FURTHER SUBSTANTIATE YOUR POINTS, I MEAN CONCRETE EVIDENCE BRO.
THE ANSWER OF YOUR QUESTION IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHFORWARD: THE SHARIAH INSTRUCTS US TO AVOID INDIVIDUALS WHO ADVOCATE DEBATES AND PRACTICE IT. AND IF YOU FIT THAT CATOGORY, OF COURSE, I,LL RUN AWAY FROM YOU BECAUSE I AM GUIDED AND INSPIRED BY ALLAH ALMIGHTY AND OBEYING THE LAWS OF ALLAH IS ONLY MY SALVATION.

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asad

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 11:06 am
"Asad you are really SAD looser"

lol------sad looser. ;-)

"allah knows how much i hate your nonsense!!!!!!!!!!"

lol

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asad

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 11:19 am
"ASAD AS I INDICATED BEFORE, YOU OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REALITY, WHEN IT COMES TO TO RELIGIOUS POINT OF VIEW."

that is your opinion. ;-)

"YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING APART OTHER PEOPLES STATEMENTS AND REFUTING IT LINE BY LINE TO DELIVER THE FINAL BUNCH AND WIN THE DEBATE."

i told you i'm not here to win or loose anything. ;-)

"THE REASON I TOOK PART THESE DISCUSSIONS, WAS SOLELY TO REMIND YOU AND ADVICE YOU THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE POSTING WICKED PRACTICES ON SOMALINET AND YOUR RELIGOUS EXPERTISE IS REQUIRED RATHER THAN ENGAGING IN A FRUITLESS DEBATES WHICH HAS NO VALUE."

i'm not an expert in religion as you think i'm. i'm only here to point out discrepencies made by the wicked people you mentioned. ;-). however, i can not make the wicked rightious and the rightious wicked. ;-)

"AS THE MATTER OF THE FACT, POINTING OUT DESCREPENCIES NEEDS A SOUND KNOWLEDGE"

i am not an islamic scholar, but the discrepencies i point out made by people are what i know. ;-)

"AND NOT AN EMPTY TALKS AND JUDGEMENTAL ARGUMENTS."

lol------judgemental. ;-)

"SECONDLY,WHEN YOU WANT TO DISAPPROVE A WRONG ACTS MENTION TAXTUAL EVIDENCE(KITAAB AND SUNNA)TO FURTHER SUBSTANTIATE YOUR POINTS, I MEAN CONCRETE EVIDENCE BRO."

no, i ask questions and proof. the person who makes discrepenices if he is a muslim needs to bring evidence from the Qur'an and sunnah. i ask questioins. however, the people who say they are not muslims and make discrepencies about islam do not ask evidence from the Quran and sunnah, because they do not believe them. ;-)

"THE ANSWER OF YOUR QUESTION IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHFORWARD: THE SHARIAH INSTRUCTS US TO AVOID INDIVIDUALS WHO ADVOCATE DEBATES AND PRACTICE IT."

pointing out discrepenices made by people is not breaking the sharia, right? ;-)

"AND IF YOU FIT THAT CATOGORY, OF COURSE, I,LL RUN AWAY FROM YOU"

i do not think you will do that. ;-)


"BECAUSE I AM GUIDED AND INSPIRED BY ALLAH ALMIGHTY"

that is good. ;-)


"AND OBEYING THE LAWS OF ALLAH IS ONLY MY SALVATION."

me too. ;-)

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common

Monday, November 13, 2000 - 11:23 am
I was onced asked a question in a debate once, puerly becasue i wanted to ask an intelliegnet question and by extention look intelliegnet to the crowd.Love of postion amongst mankind is one of the biggest things that can lead us astray i believe. It was pretty bad. i am sure i have done it on more occaions than that. But that was at a Islamic confrence and the people who came there came to share knowledge and i acted like that, i am very ashamed of that. There are people on this earth, who struggle hard daily not to lie, who do not speak unless they wish to create some thing good. It is said that the eyses , the ears the mouth, the gentials and hands and feet, are the keeprs of the city, the city being the heart, if you are careful with this inroads your city will stay uncorrupted, if you are not perhaps it will become corrupted.

galool
lol.. i do not wiggle or make smoke bombs. I don't hang on to trouser tails either. Would i not be detained if i persisted in conducting this curious activities in my day to day activities.lol.My Mother sent me underwear, socks and vest today, so she has decked me out like a granpa. Stay away form the bar and i will stay away from minor beardos..do we have a deal? peace my brother
May Allah guide you..i will pray for you tonite inshallah..and your children
wasalaam
common ground common sense

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formerguest.

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 03:53 am
Waxbaan-qoonsadey.

Bro, Jazakallahu kheyran.

I am not sharpening my debating skills. Couldn't look at galool's mistreatment to islam and the way he ridicules it. I also didn't want him get a chance to create doubts into the younger people's minds when they look at his baseless accusations to the Quran. Anyway, ALLAH knows best of the intentions of his servants(Including MINE). I also didn't come frequently enough untill recently when we had a missionary guy named RUNTA who was calling somalis to christianity. You can't let people like that take advantage of muslims. I have no bussiness in these forumss if there are no usurpers and cheaters. As for other places where you said I should spend some time, I guess I am not qualified more than you are. I am guessing you know more than I do. Your input is needed as much as mine is needed. We are even for that matter. Besides, I am still learning so I can't give FATWAS where one is needed. I can only defend Islam with the help of ALLAH from people like galool and other losers. TELL ME DEFENDING ISLAM IS WRONG AND I will not come based ON YOUR DIRECTIONS?.

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Hakima

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 03:55 am
Common that really touched my heart.
Galool, i m sorry if i seemed rude...i don't know why but sometimes my Isaaqi DNA over rules.
Hope that Allah guides all of us to the Al-daareeq
Al-Mostaqeem.

peace...

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formerguest.

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 04:57 am
Galool.

Contact me at my e-mail so we can discuss privately if you don't mind.

www.former_guest@yahoo.cm

Others can send their hallos too. Macasalaama.

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formerguest.

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 05:00 am
Galool.

Contact me at my e-mail so we can discuss privately if you don't mind.

former_guest@yahoo.com

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arawelo

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 07:42 am
Salaams,

So, now we sent the guy away. To the bar!

Call him back. We can discuss with him other things. Not, Islam we are not qualified by that, though some of us are quite well versed.

Just one point to make, I think when you reffer to the ayah Allah guides who He wants.... you misunderstood it. if we read each tafser each ayah separetly that could result out of the context understanding. If you are really serious to understand that ayah, at least, out of interest, ask the scholars.

You also misunderstood the one of Allah's name. I will explai that next time when I ahve a bit more time.


Do not go to the pub please! come back.

To FG,

Are you going to tell him more about 'adaab'!!!

I like your way of speaking but sometimes put me off with your treates about adaab. Certainly, the beleaf comes first then you start concerning your actions. Islam is a religion of mercy, kndness.


Do not try to put the Shahada in Galool's mouth.

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QOONSADE

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 07:49 am
ASSAAMU CALAYKUM WA RAXMATULAAHI WA BARAKAATUHU.

FORMERGUEST MAY ALLAH MAKE YOU HIS GUEST IN THE JUDGEMENT DAY(AAMIIN).

BY DEFENDING ISLAM, YOU HAVE TAKEN UPON YOURSELF THE OBLIGATION OF SHARIAH,THAT IS THE BEST OF VIRTUES AND THE ROAD TO ALLAH. MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU FOR YOUR GOOD INTENTIONS.
I DID'NT WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE,BUT ADVISED YOU (INCLUDING MYSELF) THAT MUSLIMS ARE DISCOURAGED FROM DEBATING; HOWEVER, CONFRONTING MISSINARIES IS DIFFERENT ISSUE.

PLEASE SHARE WITH ME THIS VALUABLE HADITH:
THE MASSENGER OF ALLAH, MAY ALLAH BLESS HIM AND GRANT HIM PEACE,SAID, "I HAVE LEFT TWO MATTERS WITH YOU. AS LONG AS YOU HOLD TO THEM, YOU WILL NOT GO THE WRONG WAY. THEY ARE THE BOOK OF ALLAH AND THE SUNNA OF HIS PROPHIT" (HAAKIM,AND IMAAM MAALIK)

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formerguest.

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 08:54 am
Arawelo.

Thanks sis for the positive look at my discussion with Galool. No one is perfect here. I have a whole load of proplems with my character I admit. I rely on people like you to keep that in check for me so I can revisit myself everytime someone mentions my attitude to me. Also, I am not putting the SHAHAADA into GALOOL'S mouth. However, I do love him to be a muslim like us or better. May be I am not the one equipped with the best tools to do so.


QOONSADE.

Thanks for the HADITH. I understand your point. I guess I see a candidate up for the job. I am tired of the net myself and would like others attend to our needs. I hope you will be able to contribute to the subject matter if you desire so. We can all learn from wise people like you.


GALOOL.

I have been harsh and sometimes very impolite. You are not an angel either lol. I hope you positively look at islam and pray to ALLAH to guide you to his path. As far as the QADDAR is concerned everybody has a hope. No one knows where he/she is gonna end up. We are all required to do good and let DESTINY decide our FATE.

look at this HADITH from BUKHAARI:

Volume 8, Book 77, Number 595:

Narrated Imran bin Husain:

A man said, "O Allah's Apostle! Can the people of Paradise be known (differentiated) from the people of the Fire; The Prophet replied, "Yes." The man said, "Why do people (try to) do (good) deeds?" The Prophet said, "Everyone will do the deeds for which he has been created to do or he will do those deeds which will be made easy for him to do." (i.e. everybody will find easy to do such deeds as will lead him to his destined place for which he has been created). "


ANOTHER HADITH:

Volume 8, Book 77, Number 602:

Narrated 'Ali:

"While we were sitting with the Prophet who had a stick with which he was scraping the earth, he lowered his head and said, "There is none of you but has his place assigned either in the Fire or in Paradise." Thereupon a man from the people said, "Shall we not depend upon this, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet said, "No, but carry on and do your deeds, for everybody finds it easy to do such deeds (as will lead him to his place)." The Prophet then recited the Verse: 'As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allah." (92.5)

Looking at those hadiths GALOOL, You can tell whether you can rely on THE QADDAR or Not. It is one of the reasons That Allah WILL REWARD THOSE who believe in him. They believed in THE UNSEEN and ACTED upon IT. And you can try too.

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Trauntlabgirl

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 10:07 am
Salaams to all...wooow...took me like 2 hours to read all the messages...too bad I came into the discussion kinda late :-(
Former guest, masha Allah, may Allah increase it for you.
Qoonsade, I didn't read your messages that are in Somali (my somali is kinda rusty) but, you have good points regarding debate. However, the prophet peace be upon him said, "baaliqu a'nii waloow aayah" intrepretation of the meaning: convey from me even if it is one verse. So, I don't think u should discourage former guest from contributing to the discussion:-)

Like Arawelo said, what are we going to do now? send the brother to the bar? My answer to this rhetoric quesion is NO. The Prophet (SAW)spend twenty three years calling people to Tauheed! Nowadays, we talk to someone for a few days and then we say, oooh this guy cannot be guided! It is not our job to decide that....Our job is to convey the message. Let Allah be the judge or the decider of the one that takes it and the one that leaves it. And finally, on the day of judgement, when we are walking down the narrow path over hell that leads to jannah (insha allah), those that you knew and didn't tell about Islaam (like, your neighbours, class mates, profs, collegues) will be pulling you down, saying, "why didn't you tell me about Islaam?".
So, I think this forums is an opportunity that we can use to fullfill that obligation.

Nuff said.
Ma'asalaamh,
TLG

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QOONSADE

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 11:58 am
ASSAALAMU CALAYKUM

TRAUNTLABGIRL, I HAVE TO ADMIT YOU HAVE HAVE ENLIGHTEN MY SOUL FOR REMINDING ME THE HADITH OF OUR RASUUL(SALLALLAHU CALAYHI WASSALLAM). I AM SURE I REALISED MY IGNORANCE HAS BLINDED ME FROM UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH, THAT MY BROTHER FORMERGUEST

HAS CONTRIBUTED TO PROBAGATE THE AUTHENTIC DIIN OF ALLAH.
BY THE WAY, IT WILL NEVER TO LATE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CIRCLES(XILQAH) OF LEARNING AND TEACHING. I WELCOME YOU ON BEHALF OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
QUITE FRANKLY, I NEVER INTENDED TO DISCOURAGED MY DEAR BROTHER TO DISAPPEAR FROM THE FORUM, BECAUSE I WANT TO ABSORB A WISDOM FROM HIM; IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE AND I REGRET THE
DISTURBANCE I CAUSED.
FORMERGUEST,I HAVE TO ADMIT , I GAINED AN IMMENSE KNOWLEDGE FROM YOU AND I,LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN FUTURE, INSHA ALLAH. IN FACT, MY ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE IS STILL IN ITS ENFANCY, SO I HUMBLY WANT YOU TO BE MY TEACHER.

SALAAM

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QOONSADE

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 12:36 pm
CORRECTION;

I MEAN :IT WILL NEVER BE

I MEAN :TO DISCOURAGE

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Trauntlabgirl

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 05:42 pm
<ASSAALAMU CALAYKUM>
Alaikum asalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh...

<TRAUNTLABGIRL, I HAVE TO ADMIT YOU HAVE HAVE ENLIGHTEN MY SOUL FOR REMINDING ME THE HADITH OF OUR RASUUL(SALLALLAHU CALAYHI WASSALLAM). I AM SURE I REALISED MY IGNORANCE HAS BLINDED ME FROM UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH, THAT MY BROTHER FORMERGUEST
HAS CONTRIBUTED TO PROBAGATE THE AUTHENTIC DIIN OF ALLAH.>

Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. Realizing your mistake is the first step to solving any problem. Insha Allah, we'll all learn from our mistakes.


<BY THE WAY, IT WILL NEVER TO LATE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CIRCLES(XILQAH) OF LEARNING AND TEACHING. I WELCOME YOU ON BEHALF OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.>

Jazakallahu khairan for the warm welcome. I hope to benefit from the discussions, insha Allah.

<QUITE FRANKLY, I NEVER INTENDED TO DISCOURAGED MY DEAR BROTHER TO DISAPPEAR FROM THE FORUM, BECAUSE I WANT TO ABSORB A WISDOM FROM HIM; IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE AND I REGRET THE
DISTURBANCE I CAUSED.>

Like I said, no worries. You made a mistake.... we all do :-)

<FORMERGUEST,I HAVE TO ADMIT , I GAINED AN IMMENSE KNOWLEDGE FROM YOU AND I,LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN FUTURE, INSHA ALLAH. IN FACT, MY ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE IS STILL IN ITS ENFANCY, SO I HUMBLY WANT YOU TO BE MY TEACHER.>

Me three!...FG, looks like you are in demand...pls come back...lol.

Ma'asalaamah,
TLG

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common

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 11:31 pm
A salaam aleikum
Formerguest in very cool.. can anyone say

me Four!

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Anonymous2

Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 08:18 am
Formerguess

I always admire you, BR you are the BEST...
don,t ever dispear from this Forum......pleaze

We all LOVE you!

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Hanita

Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 02:45 pm
LOL.

Asad became a movie star now? Man can i get a cut of the deal here? damn you got everyone on your case, but you know what I took the time on reading everyone's comments and I would have to say that out of 69 people there were only 3 that you did not analyze their comments. lol
I personally think you're very strange, and would hope to allah neva to be messed up with someone as imperative and ignorant as yourself.(no-offense) just speaking the truth, half, cross that out all, most all the people that log on in here want you gone. lol you annoy them that much, but personally and statively I think it's interesting and intrigueing to have someone as PSYCHOTIC as yourself here with us.

take-it easy man
::)

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asad

Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 04:30 pm
"Asad became a movie star now? Man can i get a cut of the deal here? damn you got everyone on your case"

welcome, hanita, and be on my case too. ;-)

"but you know what I took the time on reading everyone's comments and I would have to say that out of 69 people there were only 3 that you did not analyze their comments. lol"

lol------>out of 69 people there were only 3. ;-). good analyzing work, hanita. ;-)

"I personally think you're very strange"

lol-------->very strange. ;-)

"and would hope to allah neva to be messed up with someone as imperative and ignorant as yourself.(no-offense)"

lol-------->as imperative and ignorant as yourself (no-offense). ;-)

"just speaking the truth"

lol. bad mouthing(insults) = speaking the truth. ;-)


"half, cross that out all, most all the people that log on in here want you gone. lol you annoy them that much"

i feel sorry for them. ;-). fyi, i'm not here to please anyone. ;-)

"but personally and statively I think it's interesting and intrigueing to have someone as PSYCHOTIC as yourself here with us."

lol------>to have someone as PSYCHOTIC. ;-)

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asad

Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 04:33 pm
"but you know what I took the time on reading everyone's comments and I would have to say that out of 69 people there were only 3 that you did not analyze their comments. lol"

by the way, hanita, how long did it take you read and analyze all of the 69---everyone's comments? ;-)

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Hakima

Friday, November 17, 2000 - 01:24 am
Akhi fee el-islaam waxqoonsade,

Jazak Allah cala nasihatk, waa argo mean Allah an
yazidak meen cilmihi waa youwafiqak fee el-deen.


salaam alaykum.

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Anonymous

Friday, November 17, 2000 - 07:45 am
To Asad,

Accept my apology on behalf of all the brothers and sisters who may misunderstood you.

May Allah grant for all of us forgivenness.

Lets start all over again. We all need each other.
And it is a good quality of islam that we are trying to understand each other.

We are all humans and make mistakes.

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common

Friday, November 17, 2000 - 08:13 am
Anon
thanks for apologizing on my behalf
amen

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asad

Friday, November 17, 2000 - 09:39 am
"To Asad, Accept my apology on behalf of all the brothers and sisters who may misunderstood you."

i do not think anyone here did any wrong to me if they misunderstood me. ;-) therefore, apology is not neccessary. ;-). by the way, if anyone thinks he or she did anything to me, he or she should know that nothing bad is felt here. i mean, i'm not accepting apologies because if there is no transgression, there is no act of contrition, right? ;-)

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Anonymous

Friday, November 17, 2000 - 09:46 am
Asad,

Thanks that is really very generous and I mean it is.

My brother you have my honour. adn Insha Allah Allah's hounour.

Godbless you.
Asad.

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JAMAAL

Monday, November 20, 2000 - 04:04 pm
loooooooooooooooooooool, HANITA SIS YOUR THE FUNNIEST YOU CRACK ME UP IN THIS BORING ROOM. I SAW YOUR NAME WRITTEN ON ALMOST ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN HERE, AND I GOTTA POINT OUT THAT YOU WERE THE ONE AND ONLY GURL THAT CAN MAKE ME LAUGH.LOL KEEEP UP THE FUNNY WORK.

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curious

Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 04:42 pm
asad...as it this is my first venture into the somalinet forums (religion)...i have made a discovery, that u appear in almost every message posted...u must have a lot of time on your hands dear brother....especially if you are cutting and pasting from each reply...

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asad

Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 06:01 pm
"asad...as it this is my first venture into the somalinet forums (religion)"

lol------>my first venture. ;-)

"i have made a discovery, that u appear in almost every message posted"

lol-------->made a discovery. ;-)

"u must have a lot of time on your hands dear brother....especially if you are cutting and pasting from each reply"

and did curiousity make you have time to read and discover *every message posted*(the cutting and the pasting post)? ;-)

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another curious

Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 03:31 am
Salaam ppl

lol@ curious...good observation bro/sis...

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asad

Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 04:38 am
another curious, what about you------did curiousity make you also have time to read and observe *every message posted*(the cutting and the pasting)? ;-)

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another curious...

Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 04:50 am
WOW...no cutting and pasting...amazing, well actually the ones i've i wouldn't say that i visited every message posted...only the ones that interested me and i seemed to find u in almost every page.

as said once beofre...u must have a lot of time on your hands.

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asad

Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 05:04 am
"WOW...no cutting and pasting...amazing"

sorry to disappointed you. ;-)

"well actually the ones i've i wouldn't say that i visited every message posted...only the ones that interested me and i seemed to find u in almost every page. as said once beofre...u must have a lot of time on your hands." "

but still, did *curiousity* make you have a lot of *time* to read, observe and visit almost *every page* that i'm in? ;-)

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Hanita

Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 03:43 pm
Wow! I've been only gone for 4dayz in the Islamic forums, and already I got myself a fan. Jamaal, thank-you for what you quoted above, even though I don't consider myself to be funny, I'm flattered.

Asad:

Well, well, what have we been up to, while I was gone? Any accidents? Recent discoveries? Or is it just the plain old game, breeding on the innocents.


Curious:

I see you've already have had the proper introduction to our brother Asad, eh.


salaam

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MAD MAC

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 01:06 am
I for one think the guy has a sharp analytical mind. But of course, I'm just a lousy Kufaar so my opinions don't mean •••• around here.

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