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rama

Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 05:55 pm
hi to all and happy ramadan

let say my name is rama. i work in hospital and i have to wear pants all day so it worry if i wear pant.

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Mohamed

Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 07:35 pm
Marka hore ma is weydiisay inay kuu banaaneyd Ramadaanka ka hor? Se bisha ramadaan kaliya miyaa macaasida nalaka reebay? Waxaan kugula talin lahaa kheyrka iyo wanaaga mar walba waxaa loo baahan yahay in loo dagdago mana aha wax bilo ama ayaamo gaar ah la suubiyo. Surweel xirashadu hadaad dareensan tahay inay xun tahay bisha ramadan, waxay ila tahay ayadana waad ogtahay in bilaha kalena ay xaraam tahay in rag la isu ekeysiiyo. Talo waxaa iga ah, Ilaahey u towbad keen iskuna day mar walba inaad laa'zimtid daacada Alle taas ayaa naar looga badbaadaa janona lagu galaa. Irziqaada Alla kuu qoray intaadan dhalan ka hore ee naftaada ka dhaadhici ku na dheh, "NAFYAHEEY WAXAAN OGAADAY IN ALLE IRZIQEYGA QOREY CIDAAN ANIGA AHEYNA AYSAN QAADAN KARIN EE KU XASIL QADARTA"

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Nadiah

Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 09:08 pm
Rama, you can wear pants. What you need to be concerned about is modesty. Be modest in your attire, make sure what you wear is neither provactive, nor body revealing.

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RAMA

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:38 am
TO MOHAMED

CAN YOU PLEASE WRITE IN ENGLISH. I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU SAID. SORRY I DID NOT TELL YOU MAYBE THAT WILL HAVE HELP WHEN I POSTED THE GUESTION.

THANK YOU.

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RAMA

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:45 am
TO NADIAH

THANK FOR YOUR ANSWER. BUT DO YOU THINK PANTS THAT THE NURSI IN THE HOSPLITAL WEAR IS TOO MUCH. I WEAR THE WHITE UNIFORM. PLEASE DONT THINK I`M CRAZY I JUST WANT THE RIGHT.


THANK FOR YOUR HELP.

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Trauntlabgirl

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 11:28 am
Asalaamu alaikum:
Rama this is going to be a long post, sorry...


Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Jibreen (may Allaah preserve him) was asked about the ruling on women wearing jeans. He replied:

“As for women wearing pants or trousers, this is not permitted, even if she is on her own or in front of other women or her husband, except if she is in a closed room with her husband only. Apart from that, it is not permitted because it shows the details of her body and makes her get used to these clothes. So she is not permitted to wear these clothes at all.” (al-Nukhbah min al-Fataawaa al-Nisaa’iyyah, p. 30).

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen was also asked about the ruling on women wearing any kind of pants or trousers. He (may Allaah preserve him) answered:

“I think that women should not wear trousers at all, even if there is no one with her apart from her husband, because this is imitating men. The ones who wear trousers are men, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed women who imitate men.” (Majmoo’ Fataawaa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, part 12, p. 287).
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THIS IS A FRAGMENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF HIJAB POSTED ON WWW.ISLAM-QA.COM.

(It should not resemble the clothing of men)

It was reported in the saheeh ahaadeeth that a woman who imitates men in dress or in other ways is cursed. There follow some of the ahaadeeth that we know:

Abu Hurayrah said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the man who wears women’s clothes, and the woman who wears men’s clothes.”

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘They are not part of us, the women who imitate men and the men who imitate women.’”

Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed effeminate men and masculine women. He said, ‘Throw them out of your houses.’” He said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) expelled So and so, and ‘Umar expelled So and so.” According to another version: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men.”

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘There are three who will not enter Paradise and Allaah will not even look at them on the Day of Resurrection: one who disobeys his parents, a woman who imitates men, and the duyooth (cuckold, weak man who feels no jealousy over his womenfolk).”

Ibn Abi Maleekah – whose name was ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Ubayd-Allaah – said: “It was said to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), ‘What if a woman wears (men’s) sandals?’ She said: ‘The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed women who act like men.’”

These ahaadeeth clearly indicate that it is forbidden for women to imitate men and vice versa, This usually includes dress and other matters, apart from the first hadeeth quoted above, which refers to dress only.

Abu Dawood said, in Masaa’il al-Imaam Ahmad (p. 261): “I heard Ahmad being asked about a man who dresses his slave woman in a tunic. He said, ‘Do not clothe her in men’s garments, do not make her look like a man.” Abu Dawood said: “I said to Ahmad, Can he give her bachelor sandals to wear? He said, No, unless she wears them to do wudoo’. I said, What about for beauty? He said, No. I said, Can he cut her hair short? He said, No.”

Source: www.islam-qa.com

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Nadiah

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 11:52 am
Rama, you can wear your nurse's pants.
Be modest in your attire and make sure it is not body revealing i.e. tight.
Rely on the Quran as your only source. The intrepations and extrapolation by the wadaads/sheikhs can be used as a guide at your own discretion.

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RAMA

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 01:28 pm
TO TRAUNTLABGIRL

THANK YOU SO MUCH MY SISTER I READ ALL OF IT. YOU MADE CRY I DONT WHAT TO HELL. I WAS FASTING TODAY BUT DID NOT GO TO WORKSOW I DID NOT WEAR PANTS. I PROMISED MY SELF I WILL DO MY BEST NOT TO WEAR PANT. I LOVE FOR YOUR HELP YOU MADE ME SEE WHAT I NEW WAS RIGHT. BUT DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW. THIS MONTH OF RAMADAH MAY ALLAH BLESS WITH EVERTHING YOU ASKED.

THANK SIS FOR YOUR HELP.

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RAMA

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 01:30 pm
TO NADIAH

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO WEAR.


HAPPY RAMADAN

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Trauntlabgirl

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 04:49 pm
Asalaamu alaikum:
Nadia, no offense sis but I couldn't let this one slide....some people might take your word for it.

To Rama: I think you made a great decission sis. May Allah reward you for it and increase in goodness. A friend of mine is a nurse and when she explained to the "powers that be" that she is a muslim and therefore has a restricted dress code, they let her wear long skirts....I think the honesty is upon you...judge your situation and decide on what is best for you...Allah does not burden one more than they can bear...I wish all the best sis. And allahu a'lam.

<Rely on the Quran as your only source. The intrepations and extrapolation by the wadaads/sheikhs can be used as a guide at your own discretion.>

The above ahaadith that are describing the impermissibilty of imitating the opposite sexs in dress and other things are exactly what they are: ahaadith. We've been commanded to follow and obey the prophet(SAW). We do what he has told us to do and stay away from what he forbade. Furthermore, the scholars are the inheritors of the deen from the prophet, therefore, their intrepretation and extrapolations are sometimes necessary. That is the essence of Islaam. Please read the below
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Proof of the importance of the Sunnah

(1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for example:

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(2) The Sunnah itself indicates the importance of the Sunnah. For example:

(a) Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi’ and others that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” Abu ‘Eesaa said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663).

Al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur’aan? I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur’aan, if not more so.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitaab al-Khiraj wa’l-imaarah wa’l-fay’).

(b) Abu Dawud also reported from al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, that “the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) led us in prayer one day, then he turned to us and exhorted us strongly . . . (he said), ‘Pay attention to my sunnah (way) and the way of the Rightly-guided Khaleefahs after me, adhere to it and hold fast to it.’” (Saheeh Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Sunnah).

(3) The scholars’ consensus (ijmaa’) affirming the importance of the Sunnah.

Al-Shaafi’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “I do not know of anyone among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een who narrated a report from the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) without accepting it, adhering to it and affirming that this was sunnah. Those who came after the Taabi’een, and those whom we met did likewise: they all accepted the reports and took them to be sunnah, praising those who followed them and criticizing those who went against them. Whoever deviated from this path would be regarded by us as having deviated from the way of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the scholars who followed them, and would be considered as one of the ignorant.

(4) Common sense indicates the importance of the Sunnah.

The fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allaah indicates that we must believe everything he said and obey every command he gave. It goes without saying that he has told us things and given instructions in addition to what is in the Qur’aan. It is futile to make a distinction between the Sunnah and the Qur’aan when it comes to adhering to it and responding to it. It is obligatory to believe in what he has told us, and to obey his instructions.

The ruling concerning those who deny the importance of the Sunnah is that they are kaafirs, because they deny and reject a well-known and undeniable part of the religion.

As regards your second question, about whether a Muslim is required to follow a particular madhhab, the answer is that he does not have to. For the average “rank and file” Muslim, his madhhab is that of his mufti or the scholar whom he consults for religious verdicts; he must ask those pious scholars whom he trusts for opinions when necessary. If a person has enough knowledge to distinguish which evidence and opinion is stronger, then he must follow the scholarly opinion which has the strongest support from the Qur’an and Sunnah. It is acceptable for a Muslim to follow one of the four well-known madhhabs, on the condition that he understands that the truth in any given issue may lie with another madhhab, in which case he must ignore his own madhhab’s opinion and follow the truth. The Muslim’s aim is to follow the truth that is in accordance with the Qur’an and Sunnah. The madhhabs of fiqh are only a means of reaching ahkaam (rules) based on the Qur’aan and Sunnah, they are not Qur’aan and Sunnah.

We ask Allaah to show us the truth and help us to follow it, and to show us falsehood and help us to avoid it. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.


source: http://www.islam-qa.com

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Muslimsista

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 04:57 pm
Rama
i was woundering when u asked about the pants issue...do u mean that u will not wear the pants in the month of ramadan or u'll stop wearing it for good.
Thankz for the answer in advanced
salamzzzzz

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Osman

Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 11:53 am
Trauntlabgirl: Thanx a lot sista - May allah reward you for this.

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deeq

Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 04:06 pm
To nadia

salaam to all of you

nadia sis pls if you want to talk about islam its not an idea you can have share it with a other people but you must have the knowledge of islam other wise go and learn about islam sis ;;;;;


and tanks the other sis who clearly expl that subject. and may allah pless you all of you''''may allah gude to those who plindly talking about islam amiiin amiiin amiin

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deeq

Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 04:10 pm
To rama

sis your a right trac or striagh bath that sis what she exp is the authent a xadiis..may allah pless you and guide you;;

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RAMA

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 07:57 pm
TO MUSIMSISTA

I WILL STOP IT FOR GOOD. I DONT WANT TO WEAR PANT ANYMORE I`M GOING TO BUY A LONG DRESS. MY MOM DONT EVEN LIKE THE IDEA FOR ME WEARING PANT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH MOST OF THE TIME SHE DOES NOT NOW. WHEN WE COMING TO AMERICAN I PROMIED MY FATHER I WONT DO ANYTRHING THAT IS NOT ACCEPT IN MUSLIM BUT I DID IT. IT MAKE REALLY SAD TOO LET MY FATHER DOWN AND MYSELF. I HAVE NOT DONE ANY OTHER BAD THING. I THANK GOD FOR THAT.

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RAMA

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 08:07 pm
TO TRAUNTLABGIRL


THANK SO MUCH. MY ALLAH REWARD FOR THIS. IF I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTION I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL HEPL ME. THANK YOU TO ALL.

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RAMA

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 08:15 pm
TO ALL.


I NEED HEIP IF YOU GUYS PRAYS. PLEASE PRAY FOR ME I`M IN COLLEGE AND THINKS ARE NOT GOING WELL. I KWON IT RAMADAN PLEASE SISTER AND BROTHER PUT ME IN YOUR PRAYS.

PRAY FOR ME TO GET SOMETHING I WANT IN MY HEART.
I WANT TO GET A GOOD JOD IN A MEDICA ASSISTANT. I HAVE FINISH WITH NURSING ASSISTANT AND I WILL BE FINISH IN JANUARY IF GOD SAY SO. I WANT TO GET A GOOD JOB AND A MECIAL ASSISTANT.

THANK TO ALL. I NEW COMING HERE WILL HELP. IF YOU PRAY ASKED GOD TO HELP ME WITH EVERTHING.

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Trauntlabgirl

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 11:14 am
Rama: You are welcome sis. May Allah increase you in goodness. The most important thing in life is to be true to yourself and your creator. As long as you do things with the intention of pleasing Allah, then everything else will fall into place smoothly. I see you are really trying to do what is right and may Allah make it easy for you. YOu are in my duas insha Allah.

If you have time, check out the following site:

http://www.islaam.com

Go to the audio section. Then lectures then choose speakers. There are lot of really good audio lectures by many speakers.
My favourite ones are Bilal Phillips and Yahya Ibrahim. They are both amongst the best English speaking lecturers and their lectures are very beneficial.

Also, on http://www.troid.org
some speakers you might wanna check out are: Daud Adhib, Abu Usama adhahabi etc.

You need real player for all the lectures.

Salaam.

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Mohamed

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 07:48 pm
Asalaamu Caleykum!

May Allah shower you all with His blessings during the holy month of Ramadan.

It's really nice to see my sisters/brothers encouraging and advising each other and showing the path of Allah. Keep it up and keep in mind that the prophet s.c.w said "The guider of the good deeds is like the doer" the meaning might not be right but let me said it in arabic, "A DAALU CALAL KHEYRI KA-FAACILIH." pls exuse my poor language. Anyway, wearing a pant has been a subject since many sisters have arrived in the west but the it's islamically forbiden, no doubts about it, the scholars have agreed on it. I have a another point to make. As sister RAMA pointed out that she has done things that made her parents sad/mad and islamically wrong but she later found out that she wasn't actually making her parents sad but she was disobeying Allah and that's what Islam is all about. This religion teaches you how to be true to yourself not with any human being, you disobey all mankind but be carefull on what's going to be in front of you when you meet with your lord. Islam showes you the correct/straight path and needs you to choose it by yourself and follow, not without the push of anyone even your parents or enforcement of a powerful government. Just learn it and save yourself from hell fire, you are harming those who are preaching you but it's only your own good.

Nadiah, sister you are right, following the peoples' temptations can cause confusion and result in taking bid'ah but you should also know there are lots of authentic scholars that know everything and can be asked almost every tiny thing about Islam. These ulumaa are blessed by Allah and their knowledge is for us to benefit and be aware Ali bin Abii talib said "Be careful about who you are taking your Diin from" The answer is the best one and correct according to what I know and the site (http://www.islam-qa.com ) belong to one of the scholars, no need to mention the sheikh but feel free to post questions there and if you want he's gotta Arabic lectures in that site, you can either download or listen to them, they are great I enjoy them.

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Fozia

Friday, December 15, 2000 - 06:06 pm
I was under the impression that wearing pants was ok as long as it is covered by a long shirt and it is not too tight as it does not stick to the skin. I wear hijab, and long sleeve shirts as well as jeans because Im always taking the subway and its hard for me to wear long skirts when im walking in such long distances. I believe that as long as your niyah is pure and you are not intentionally trying to dress as a man, then Allah will not punish. Also, there is not part of my body which shows except for my hands and my face. If I am wrong, may Allah forgive me.
Im sorry but like the sister Nadiya commented on before, I don't blindly follow advice from someone unless I myself have seen it with my own eyes coming directly from the Quran.
Salaamu Alaykum

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Jeego

Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:44 pm
Who are the scholars those sex oppsessed freak Arabs? Girls don't confuse religion to Arab Dress code? get real and dress according to your needs or as you think is permissible in other words be Modest. Don't follow Arab codes because one freak Arab or their messenger(somali like TRG) say so? its so sad Religion become now weapon to dominate other cultures and this so called Arab Scholars and their messengers(Somalis) are spreading this mumbo-jumbo without consideration of the person needs?!!

You should never have been nurse or anything else you should have waited one sick beardos to slave You? what a waste of education?!!

Nadia and Fowzia your not corrupted and I am proud of you keep your head high and be sensible sister and don't let this freaks to hold you down!!

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bearded-one

Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:44 am
TLG:

You are absolutely amazing. Im impressed by the way u use the Quran and Ahadith to proof your point. This is a bright day for us Muslims. We need more people like u. Jazakumu'Allah.

Rama:
I wish u all the best and I will Pray for u. This shows that if we seek knowledge, we gain knowledge and u gained the best knowledge->
{{AL-ISLAM}}

Jeego:
All I gotta say is this~~~~~~~~~
may god have mercy on your soul.

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MUJAAHID

Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 02:40 pm
JEEGO?
SO WHAT U WANT US TO DO IS;-TO LIKE EUROPEANS AND HATE ARABS.WO! TO U, WE WILL NEVER DO THAT.
THE PROPHET SAYS;-BEST PEOPLE ARE AL-ARABUL-ARABIS.ARABS ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN THE ISLAMIC UMMAH CUZ ,
-THE PROPHET WAS ARAB
-THE KORAN REVEALED IN ARABIC
-THE HOLIEST SITES IN THE WORLD IS IN ARAB COUNTRY(MAKKAH)

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Trauntlabgirl

Friday, December 29, 2000 - 11:07 am
Bearded-one. Thanks brother. Please put me in your dua.

Fozia, walalo, read the posting above on following the sunnah of our prophet (peace be upon him). I do understand your point of not wanting to follow blindly, however, we have to follow what the messenger ordered in addition to following the quran.

Jeego, so now i'm an arab messenger! Tell me more brotherman.

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