     Aesha | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 05:13 am
Assalaamu Calaykum
My sisters & Bro in Islam,,,,,,,,,I would like to notice U that,,,,,,The Macdonal's and The sweet drinkies, such as coke and Pepsi is for the Jew ,,,they owned and U know how jew ....are this days,,,,,,,and the way they're fighting our Muslim people in islam ,,,,,,,(Palastine),,,,I AM telling U Not to buy their foods U know where they gonna put their money I don't have to explain I think we all know,,,,,,,Please give this to Ur sisters and brothers, friends, and relative anyone who are Muslim ,,,,,,,,,
P.S........I am seriuos this it's not game and nore Joke ,,,,,,,,,,so please take it seriuos,,,,,and pray for ur Muslim bro's and sisters,,,,,,,,,If U have good think to say Please feel free to respond,,,,,,,,,,If not ,,,,,as the prophet say s.c.w.,,,,FAL YA QUL QAYRAN AW YASMUD,,,,,,,SAY SOMETHING GOOD OR DO NOT SAY AT ALL.
JASAAKALAAHU QAYRAN
WASALAAMU CALAYKUM W.W. |
| MuslimSista | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 07:09 am
Salamz All
Aesha that is true sister and their is a bigger list then just McDonald's i'll post the rest of the list another time maybe later 2day. BUT THIS IS NOT A JOKE its 4real we must boycot these companies owned by the jewish ONLY for the good of our ppl who are suffering in Palestian.
Your SistEr in Faith Muslimsista
SAlamz all |
| Galool | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 07:57 am
Aesha + Muslimsesta
Sorry guys, No can Do! You see I
don't give a toss about Palestine, and I Love my burger and Coke!
Happy New Year! |
| common | Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 05:19 am
Yeah
Dear muslims
can we please avoid products like Mcdonalds and Coco Cola and Proctor and Gasmble. If you wish to undertsand how comtemptiu#uous theuy are of mulims, Mcdonalds sought to procted its interest in the Muslima worklkd, by donating 18 p of every meal to "palestianian hospitals", is that how much they think AL -Asqa Mosque is worth 18 p?, are mulims dying so that Mc Donalds can put a pr spin on their greedness?. Oppose this bahoiur. Imgagine how silly they must think we are, bying thier products, when they use our money to perpetuate condtions which bring misery to muslims worldwide, if you can do nothing else, resist being so bebased, so defeated taht you would rather have a coke, then contribute to helping mulsim life a difnified life, you would choose convinence over life and dealth matters, how would you like it, if some one cracked open a can, which meant you would life in sqalour for teh rest of your life. It is contray to what you beliver the consumer which has all teh poqwer in this game, hold out, you will be supprised what a 20% drop in profits can acheive
Proctor and gamble operates under various names such as fairy wahing up liquid and does a lot of washing up power stuff do. If you need a alternative, look for lever products as that is not on the list of banned companies and makes simlar products.
Your brother In Islam
remember it is not Islam that needs you, but muslims, if you don't defend you image, you will be the next target. the likeness of palestinains is the likeness of Somalis, you would be silly to see skin colour as an issue. when you open that coke try not to choke on the Muslim blood. |
| common | Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 06:52 am
sorry about the spelling mistakes <embarassed look>
but you guys get my drift huh, throw some zakat my way and ignorfe the mistakes. <smile> |
| common | Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 06:52 am
sorry about the spelling mistakes <embarassed look>
but you guys get my drift huh, throw some zakat my way and ignore the mistakes. <smile> |
| TLG | Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 06:44 pm
salaam ya'll
and to that list of "forbiden" companies, add Burger King (BK), which is built on confisticated Arab land.
Another incentive for boycott: The food, in addition to being non-halaal is terrible (health and hygeine wise). When I was in high school, a friend of mine worked there and the stories she told me, guy, you would never wanna eat there again. So galool, u been an old man, who needs to watch his LDL cholesteral level among other things shouldn't be going to Makidee :-) |
| Anonymous | Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 08:52 pm
stop trying to be Arabs. why do u care about Plastine. i like COKE AND SOFT DRINKS. get over it. this does not concern us. IN CASE U FORGOT YOUR ASSES ARE BLACK. CHECK AGAIN.
u all make me sick. I'M SICK OF PLASTINE AND SOMALI ARAB WANNAB'S. GET YOUR DARK ASSES STRAIGHT.
I hate Arab ass kissers. The Jews worked hard for their money why don't u and the Arab do the same. |
| TLG | Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 09:02 pm
Anonymous, incase u haven't noticed, only postings that meet the following get a response on this page:
1) supported by evidence or some sort of evidence.
2) Scholarly i.e free of profanity and name calling
3) Free of "orders"...i.e avoid "why don't you all do..." kinda statements.
Just look'n out for you....hope it helps:-) |
| MuslimSisTa | Friday, January 05, 2001 - 06:51 am
Salam all
Attached Email---"The List"
---------------------------------------------
Buying the product of these companies who actively support Israel makes no
sense. It is like giving money to Israel to oppress, kill, and maim our
people in Palestine. This in addition to having the effect of stifling
national industries and business.
We will continue to update and circulate this list.
Dear All,
I strongly believe that we as consumers, have a hidden power that is often ignored. Such boycotts start slow, yet they grow and develop their own powerful and unstoppable momentum. So, start with yourself then educate your family and your friends...its important to be vocal...and be active by your inactivity...our people are dying for you...I am sure you can handle little inconveniences for their sake.
Print this list and put it up on your fridge...do not underestimate your power as consumers...and it would be a good idea if you circulate this email...boycotts work, and they are effective.
The following corporations support Israel and the Israeli lobby so why should we give them our money to kill our children...and by the way, trust
me there are other alternatives to such products and companies (in fact they may be even cheaper and healthier), for example instead of going to McDonald's why not go to your local Arab bakery or Shawarma shop...why not smoke french or local brands instead of American (in fact just quit)...and why not visit your locally owned coffee shop instead of Starbuck's which
is by the way one of the strongest financial supporters of Israel, in fact the owner and founder of Starbuck's received the highest civilian order from the Israeli Knesset for his financial support...and lest we forget Disney's stance on Jerusalem...and during the 1967 war Marks & Spencer's put up signs stating that "Dogs and Arabs are not allowed."...shame on us...shame on us...shame on us.
> BOYCOTT THE FOLLOWING:
>
> NO STARBUCK'S
> NO DISNEY
> NO MARKS & SPENCER'S
> NO ICQ (OWNED BY AN ISRAELI COMPANY)
> NO TO CONRAD BLACK'S NEWSPAPERS (SUCH AS THE OTTAWA CITIZEN)
> NO MCDONALD'S
> NO HARDEE'S
> NO KENTUCKY "K.F.C."
> NO CHILLI'S
> NO FRIDAY'S
> NO PIZZA HUT
> NO LA POIRE (AMERICAN FLOUR)
> NO SAINSBURY'S
> NO CHICKLETS
> NO REVLON MAKE-UP
> NO LEVI'S
> NO RALPH LAUREN
> NO CALVIN KLINE
> NO ARIEL
> NO LUX
> NO SUN SILK
> NO PAMPERS
> NO PERT PLUS
> NO PEPSI
> NO COCA COLA
> NO AMERICAN CIGARETTES.
> NO AMERICAN CANS( Harvest, Heinz ...)
> NO AMERICAN MOVIES
> NO AMERICAN HOTELS (INTERCONTINENTAL, MARRIOTT, HILTON, SHERATON ...)
> NO CITI BANK CREDIT CARD
> NO SHOWTIME NETWORK
>
> We are most powerful united!!!
Jazkallah Kairan if all of You can make an effort to help this cause it would make a difference.
This message is only for people who are willing to make a difference if this message does not concern u please dont make any comment that would attack me cause u got things u care for and i also got things i care for and this is one of those things. But, if u got comments/questions please fell free to comment.
If i have offended anyone please forgive me and anything Good i have said is from Allah(swt) and anything Bad is from Me Or Shaytan.
Your SisTer in Faith MuslimSista
SAlamz All |
| Amaal | Friday, January 05, 2001 - 01:54 pm
Not long ago, I found out something that was quite intriguing, and I thought it would be a great way of sharing this with you, since we are having this discussion.
Does anyone know the meaning of the word PEPSI???????
Well here it goes, the word PEPSI, stands for/ PAY EVERY PENNY SAVE ISRAEL!
Quite interesting eh.
Take-care: |
| Galool | Friday, January 05, 2001 - 04:01 pm
TLG
Thanks for your concern about my health but I'm afraid I am beyond redemption. My philosophy is enjoy live while you can and to hell with the consequences(quite literally I see you say!)
Although I must say there is something insulting about being killed by something as feminine and fancy sounding as Cholestrol LDL! That is not a legacy I want to leave for my grandchildren. I want them to say my grandfather was wiped away in a great plague or was blown to pieces by an ICBM or he died fighting in a glorious battlefield against beardo oppression(just joking) but to say [in a girly voice] he "died of of Cholestrol LDL" yuk! it just doesn't sound something that should kill a man does it? Still it will be better than dying out of malnutrition eating on that salady veggie yukky stuff!
On aserious note I find the blatant anti-Semitism shown by some people in this net is quite sickening. Now I do sympathise with the Palestinian cause and disagree with Israel's intransigence and injustice, but I have nothing against the Jewish people wherever they live. Remember what Muhammed Ali said about the Vietnamese? I am with him when it comes to the Jews. No jew has ever done me or my country any harm, so why should I hate them? I have no gripe with them whatsoever.
On the contrary, I respect their hardwork and applaud the success they achieved in an often hostile and racist white christian Europe and America. We should be learning from them and aspiring to excel in business and the professions the way they did.
I hate rehashing old ideas, but I find it fascinating that no Muslim here ever advocates boycotting Indian shops and businesses despite the fact India kills more muslims every year, burns mosques and replaces them with temples, colonizes a muslim land three times the size of Palestine and continously humiliates 150 million muslims under its rule!
I think Anon has point when he accuses Somali Islamists of sucking-up to Arabs as usual. How else can you explain this disproportionate vitriol aimed at all the Jewish people even those who live in far-off lands when they barely even mention muslims oppressed in other places?
Muslimsista
Oh God! easy on us girl! what is left of civilization then? We might as well pack our bags and go to mars! But I bet there will be golden arches sign welcoming us there as well! |
| ANON | Friday, January 05, 2001 - 05:05 pm
"I think Anon has point when he accuses Somali Islamists of sucking-up to Arabs as usual. How else can you explain this disproportionate vitriol aimed at all the Jewish people even those who live in far-off lands when they barely even mention muslims oppressed in other places?"
i don't know which anon you are talking about. i've many arab friends. i don't hate them. even if you think some arabs have done wrong to the somalis, i'm not going to hate them-----the same way that i'm not going to hate all the somalis for what some somalis have done to other somalis-----killing and raping other somalis.
so for me, no arab (muslim or christian) has ever done any wrong to me. you have rights to talk about the arabs and can say what some of them do, but when people talk about the jews and say what some of them do, you and the jews accuse these--- anti-semitism-------as if the arabs are not semite. what a double standard. |
| TLG | Friday, January 05, 2001 - 08:34 pm
Abtee, if your sexist remarks are a way of luring me into hissing at you, then "i'm afraid I'll have to disapoint you much as it pains me". See, in any situation, I make a decision to be diplomatic. Family and friends have branded me "Kofi Anaan". I'm gland it wasn't Albright!
As for the Jews's success, I agree with you. Indeed, we can learn a thing or two from them so long as we don't borrow their wicked ways such as allowing interest (riba) for the gentiles and not the Jews, selling forbiden things (such as pork) to the gentiles while they don't even approach it. I think what people despise is Zionism and the expansionist so called state. Not those that adhere to the Taurah.
You have a point on this Hindu thing, but until we see companies with the following names, i'm afraid we have lil to work with in terms of boycotts:
Deva & Bhopah (Indian version of Marks & Spencers)
McSharma's (McDonald's version). But again, the cows are the gods, so i'm afraid there wont' be any beef industry for us to boycott.
Chai hut (Star buck's) ...etc etc etc.
I'm appalled that you even entertain the thought of anonymous (not ASAD) having a point. What anonymous failed to explain to us is how s/he translates our sympathy for the suffering people to being "arab ass kissers"? May be you should ask him/her this question. Anyway, i'm not supprised, for you said at the begining you "don't give a toss about Palestine", even though you ATTEMPTED showing me how you "sympathise with the Palestinian cause and disagree with Israel's intransigence and injustice"
Owkey, lets move to mars! Can it support life though? I haven't had time to read the recent literature on this but as I vaguely remember, they only HYPOTHESIZED that it could support life. So, instead of going aaaaaaall the way to mars and end up dying, why don't you try Somalia? I think it hasn't been infected yet. |
| Galool | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 02:41 am
TLG
You misread what I said which is very unusual for you. There was not sexist inuendo in my posting. And as you well aware I am Mr. Equality itself. Unlike you for example, I firmly believe that if men can marry four women then it is only fair that women should be able to marry four men! so there!
And now to your accusation of contradiction. I am sometimes disappointed when people like you and asad fail to see my intent, read the subtext of postings. In fact I do care about the Palestinians as much as I care about the East Timorese, the Bosniaks, the Southern Sudanese and the Western Sahara peoples. I don't care about Palestine as a "holy" land as I don't think there is anything holy about it. I care about justice and people. You may refer to my discussion with Comon and Mad-mac on this issue few weeks ago.
I was wrong to encourage foul-mouthed characters like anon to join our discussion.
there is no doubt despite your ducking and weaving (I think and Common have a lot in common!)that there is double-standards when it comes to Somali Islamist's sympathy towards the Arabs in general and to other oppressed muslims. Call it what you want but it is undeniably there. |
| common | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 04:13 am
Galool, i maintain, and saxiib, not for love of my own voice, but of geniune concern, that i think you fail to understand our intentions. Actions are by intention. Our intention with regards to Palestine is what? good i would imagine, you are fundementally right and it is good of you to point it out, even if your intentions are to disgrace us, we need disgracing on the topic , when it comes to India, but the conclusion you reach is reductionalist. Their are issues on "what is an arab" and you also need to reemmebnr that Mecca, Medina and Jerusalam all fall in what is "arab " land. The Mogul Muslim empire was great, and everything, but Calcutta, and Mecca hold different meanings to muslims, if we can undertsand this, the debate can progress, you, perhaps the arabs just get a little sumtin sumtin from all the love for this places knocking about
give us a break, we are not the mean partisan twisted people you imagine us to be |
| ANON | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 07:28 am
"there is no doubt despite your ducking and weaving (I think and Common have a lot in common!)that there is double-standards when it comes to Somali Islamist's sympathy towards the Arabs in general and to other oppressed muslims. Call it what you want but it is undeniably there."
if some somalis (muslims) have sympathy towards the arabs (palestinians)-------means that they are sucking-up to Arabs because the palestinians suffer in the hand of the jews-------then some somalis (atheists) are also sucking-up to the jews when they respect jew becuase of jew's hard-work and their success. |
| FG. | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 08:57 am
Let me guess once again, Anonymous could be Galool. If not, Anonymous can count on Galool to deliver the message for him/her. No point in repeating the copy cat messages. Boredom is really a termite that eats away the interest of a post. I can read what Galool writes no proplem right there. At the end of the day, his writing turns out to be his undoing. If my guess isn't right, my apologies extened to the old foe of mine. I know Galool can take few sour accusations(his mastery). |
| Arawello | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 09:26 am
Salaams,
This is true. Today I went for a shopping then I got a bit hungry and went to buy someting I went to a near Mcdonald but immediatly thbis massege came into my mind then I walked out of it.
I am not sure the truth about this massege though it is well-intended. I did that in case it is true then I have to do my bit. I think whether the oppresed are Muslims, non-muslims, black or white , our duty us a decent human being we should do the least we can do and I think boycotting them is something we can quate easly do. I did this I think 2 years ago but i cannot remember why but I think it was something to do with child labour. |
| Galool | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 05:05 pm
FG
You do disappoint me. I am not anon, and I have never used any other username except mine in this part of the forums. I did use two other usernames in other parts of this net, but obviously I wasn't very good since that little brain-box of a girl unmasked me within few messages. I never tried it again, and one of my aliases has now been taken over by an impostor(thank god a mostly good one)
Besides if I decided to use another username, I would've come up with something a little bit more creative than Anon.(sorry Asad)
Common
There is nothing twisted about your intentions. Eschewed, sentimental and occasionally racist maybe, but not twisted. I found it interesting that symbolism and imagery are more important to Islamists than people and justice. You voiced in your inimitably honest way what beardos constantly try to deny: that grand gestures and symbolic, often global stands matter to them more than the "minor" details of human suffering, even if the victims are fellow muslims. How else can you explain the sympathy and the support Islamists show to Saddam Hussein(I saw the discussion under al-Aqsa) or to late Hafez Al-asad? Surely any muslim who cares about his fellow muslims should curse Saddam in every prayer! After all this man has murdered 1 million lives when he attacked a peaceful, neighborly muslim country for absolutely no reason. He then gassed thousands of muslim women, children and babies in their homes who died the most slow and painful death imaginable. Perhaps more importantly for politicized Islamists, he hunted down your ilk like wild dogs after he came power in 1980. His method was even more "thorough" than Assad's. When an Islamist was caught, tortured and then executed, Saddam's feared security apparatus used to turn their attentions to the immediate members of the victim's family, and "disappear" them as well.
But none of that seems to matter. He fought his old ally America and that is all that counts! He is an Islamic hero! Very forgiving these Islamists!!
ANON
Surely there is a difference between respecting achievement and hard-work and actively "fighting" for a side for the flimsiest of reasons? |
| FG. | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 06:56 pm
Galool.
Sorry fella, I was carried away a little. Too many rebels around to keep tabs on. You have a weird notion of islamic heroism. Most of your facts do exist but you floated them. May be seasoning is your way of scoring big time with people. You should ask islamists what they think of saddam without putting your side of the pie into their mouth. Sadam is no one's hero. Nonetheless, he is considered a muslim by islamic law even though he has nothing to do with islam. The human suffering is always perpetuated by your masters except few self inflicted ones like ours. Muslims have to deal with the generation raised and educated in western and eastern schools of thought. No ruler represents the sentiments, the general mental disposition of islam lovers, and needs of islam and muslims. You can blame them to hell for all I care, but common muslims have no hand in policy making in what happens in their governments. They are all captives and subjects to their leaders. Dictators, monarchies, you name them, they all represent the needs of their backers and supporters. There is no ruler that doesn't have a western adviser. Your accusations are baseless since they squarely put the blame on islam promoters. |
| ANON | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 07:30 pm
"Surely there is a difference between respecting achievement and hard-work and actively "fighting" for a side for the flimsiest of reasons?"
i never heard somalis who are actively "fighting" in Palestine. i didn't know feeling sympathy towards the palestinians mean "fighting" for them! if feeling sympathy toward palestinians means fighting for them, then respecting the jews means fighting for the jews, right? ;-) |
| TLG | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 09:31 pm
Galool
So I misread you. May be we should ask the rest of the readers if they didn't see what I saw when you said, "...there is something insulting about being killed by something as feminine and fancy sounding as Cholestrol LDL! That is not a legacy I want to leave for my grandchildren." If I'm the only one that infered an anti-faminine attitude in that message, then apology is in place.
Looks like I also misread you on the Palestine thing! This seems to be my week of misreading your messages!And my week of apologising to you:-)
As for the woman marrying four men, i'm cool with that as long as it is YOUR beleif and you will not be imposing IT on the Somalis (when we meet in Somalia). Now that you mention this, something I heard last night comes to mind. My room mate is taking this class, "evolution of the human psyche" I had gone to pick her up coz I had borrowed her car earlier on. I came a bit early so, I sat in.
Anyway, the prof was talking about marriages in different cultures and he happened to talk about Polygyny at that moment. What he said (which kinda made sense) was that evolutionarily, there is no advantage for women to marry more than one partner as there is for men. The reproductive ceiling of the woman is very low as compared to that of the man. The maximum number of offsprings she will have with one man will be equal to those she would have if she had many more(provided the dude is reproductively healthy). Since successful survival is contingent upon reproductive success, there is no investment in having multiple partners. Therefore, no evolutionary advantage in women having multiple partners. Amazing eh?
So now I have become " little brain-box of a girl". No more "my favourite beardess" I guess. I knew that "big-headedness" of mine will cost me this title. I should have been wiser! |
| common | Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 11:58 pm
A salaaam aleikum
TGL
Also practically, Galools, four men theory may cause confusion, how would you know which one of the men was the father of the baby?. I watched this T.V programme a while back, you know what the figure they estimate there?, one in 10 children they reckon is not the father of the person they call, son or daughter, scary. Over here they reckon its one in twenty. Gotta love the british, their stiff upper lip has saved them a little.
Galool
you senstive brother you,lol, perhaps if you took time out to listen to women, you may find that most women do not resent the fact that they are not entitled to having four men, but rather that they would have to "share" their husband, it is rather typical of you to reduce everything to its lowest common denominator.
regarding sadaam. You ran away with your premise safeguarded in your mental napsack, lol, once you had figured another level of hypocrisy in amongst the faithful, you were not taking any prisoners, so who am i to tell you what you infered in the AL-AQSA posting is not accurate,(in fact come on back there i have something interesting to postulate in their today), you carry on representing a world safe from the guards of intellect and reason, i however will leave you with a story
There was a blessed man, that was quite normal in his apperance, every time the beloved Prophet (pbuh)used to see him, he would remark that "there is a man of paradise", the companions couldn't figure out why, he didn't do any sunnah prayers, just the fard, he went to sleep after isha, while a lot of muslims at the time i think stayed up a portion of the night. So this one companion, goes and asks him if he can live with him for a while, to try and figure out what is getting him into paradise, he stays with him for a while, after some time, when he sees nothing extraordinay, he tells him the story and what the prophet (pbuh) says of him, and he asks what is it that you do?.
the man replied , when i go to bed at night, there is no hate for anyone of humanity, my heart is filled with love for humanity. Another man was reported to have entered jannah, for his love of one sura. Dear friend, why would you wish for me to curse anyone in my prayers?, is it that you know not how harmful this could be for me?, why would you imagine a muslim to do this? |
| Galool | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 04:50 am
TLG
I knew you will take my advice with good grace, although you got a bit heavy on the sarcasm. You are still my all-time favourite beardess and that is no joke. Isn't science boring? Surely somethings are best left unexplained!
"C'mon Dora, lets preserve the Human Race" doesn't sound too romantic does it? Anyway, I am familiar with the evolutionary explanation of the males' urge to sow his seeds far and wide etc.
Funny the way you guys rail against Evolution and Science yet fall back on it to smooth out the rough edges of your faith without so much as batting an eyelid. Anyway maybe I shouldn't go too far lest Common accuses me of lacking magnanimity when I got a point.
Common
That ancient story you related gives you a glimpse of what I meant by Islam's noble and sacred roots. Not much love for humanity apparent in the way today's Islamists behave! They see an enemy, a kaafir, a Jew a collaborator and a conspiracy behind every tree, and their favourite way of dealing with things is usually not what I will describe as "Loving". Where would they go do you think?
My counter argument of polygamy is a basic one (sorry common)
If Allah wanted men to marry four women, he would have designed them for such a task. Four bulging pockets, four hearts, four of everything. More importantly he would have provided them with a complete sense of fairness. He did none of the above.
ANON
Fighting takes many shapes. Admiring and respecting people for their achievement isn't one of them. Boycotting businesses of the "enemy" IS a form of fighting. That is all.
FG
Thanks for the apology. I am surprised you think there are too many rebels here. Apart from me and Mad, everyone in this part asserts that Islam is the bees knees. Surely you are big enough to ignore the occassional anon who throws a rock or two and then disappears when you guys swarm.
I am intrigued by your assertion that Saddam is a Muslim "under the Law". How exactly did you come to this conclusion? I refute your accusation that it is my "masters" who are responsible for most human suffering today. Overlooking the insult, I fail to see where the West is causing death and mayhem in the globe. Sure they are economically exploiting everyone(including their own working massess) and sucking the world dry of resources, but they are not torturing and raping or gassing anyone. I will challenge your views on the Hero issue as well. Like it or not, Saddam IS seen as a hero by millions of Islamists from Algeria to Alabama.
I agree with you that radical Islamists do not hold power in many places, and a very good thing it is too! And as you do not consider the ayatollahs, the Taliban and Al-tureibi(I know he is no longer pulling strings) as genuine Islamic states, I wonder what your Utopian Islamic regime would look like. Do you have any blue-prints of how your Islamic state will operate. Are there any modern examples of such a regime or are you day-dreaming about re-establishing the Khalifate system? |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:13 am
"Fighting takes many shapes. Admiring and respecting people for their achievement isn't one of them. Boycotting businesses of the "enemy" IS a form of fighting. That is all."
galool, you are wrong, again. see, *respecting* and *admiring* a person or people can be a form of *fighting* (hurting people).
here is how: if i *admire* and *respect* the deeds of hitler (his achievements in putting together forces), the jews will accuse me of not only sucking-up to hilter, but the jews will *fight* me in retaliation and try to stop me (boycot me). ;-)
so if *boycotting* the enemy is a form of *fighting*, then *admiring* the enemy is a form of *fighting*, got it? ;-) |
| Arwello | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:27 am
Galool,
If someone or say a government does not establish the proper Islamic sahariah, we cannot call them Islamic states simple as that.
But I have a question for you ; What is this things bothering you about islam and the Somalis. You can beleive in whatevr you want and beleave me I personally do not care as long as you are a de4cent person But your hatered went as far as I suspect your identity. yesterday I read a thread that you contributed ( MM and his vision of Somalia) I also saw sometime ago '' what you said under Afro American seeking ,,,''
I cannot still come over what you said. I know the Somalis are the worst enemies of themselves but there is some characteristics they share, they are patriotic ( even if this is only a superfecial).
Anyone,
Is Galool, a real Somali name? I have never heard before. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:32 am
"Apart from me and Mad, everyone in this part asserts that Islam is the bees knees.
galool, it is proven that you had plenty bees in your bonnet----many imaginary and false sayings about islam.
"Surely you are big enough to ignore the occassional anon who throws a rock or two and then disappears when you guys swarm."
it is also known and being proven (besides the claiming boredom)-----your disappearance acts when things get tough for you. ;-) |
| Arawello | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:34 am
And one more there is nothing called a radical Islamicst. Eather there is islam or not.
I am getting impetient now. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:43 am
"I personally do not care as long as you are a de4cent person But your hatered went as far as I suspect your identity."
i care not if he is or isn't a decent person------his *identity*. what counts is what is written here. |
| Arwello | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:56 am
Anon,
What I am saying is that I can debate with anyone who disagrees with me but when a person desplays anomosity that is when I declare war.
Why I care his identity ( not his personal identity but his origins) is what he said could only have said by a non- somali.
I am not saying he is not a decent person ( I do not think he is not a decent prson) but telling him you can have your own ideas and say but where this anomosity is comming from. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 06:09 am
"What I am saying is that I can debate with anyone who disagrees with me but when a person desplays anomosity that is when I declare war."
i'm afraid you have only two choices if someone displays animosity towards you and islam while online: debate or not debate (do nothing).
"Why I care his identity ( not his personal identity but his origins) is what he said could only have said by a non- somali."
for me, it does not make a difference if he is a somali or not. there are somalis who kill other somalis (have animosity towards other somalis) and shoot them point blank-------who happen to be muslims. being a somali does not mean his or her actions are always good.
"I am not saying he is not a decent person ( I do not think he is not a decent prson) but telling him you can have your own ideas and say but where this anomosity is comming from."
who knows? where does the animosity between the somalis come from-------the somali on somali crime? |
| Arwelo | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 06:12 am
Anon,
leave him to understand what i am saying.
I amout here |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 06:17 am
"leave him to understand what i am saying."
i'm not holding down anyone's hand. and you can say what you want too. can i say what i'm saying too? ;-) |
| Galool | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 09:34 am
ANON
Nice to have the classic "Anon" back. There is still some life left in you then?
There are many people who openly admire hitler but they can't help him now can they? Admiration does not add or take away anything from a friend or a foe. Boycotting does as it is an often effective form of economic warfare. Millions of Pakistans and Indonesians admire Arafat but that does not do him or his cause any good. If on the other hand they were to boycott all "Jewish" goods and services, then that will be useful to the "friend" and harmful to the "foe".
I know magnanimity in defeat is not your strong point, but I think you will gain a bit more respect from the beardos and others here if you concede to this straightforward logic.
Aro
I am sorry if my opinions cause you any distress. Please avoid reading them next time and that will solve the problem once and for all won't it? |
| TLG | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 10:03 am
Common
You are right. There is indeed a cofusion as to who the fathers is. Ever heard of that saying, "mama's baby papa's maybe"?
Anyway, some may argue that DNA test will save the day. In addition to being sickenly expensive, this kind of tests are not as precise as Scientist would like us to beleive. Infact, this reminds me of a question I asked my Microbial genetics prof a year a go on the life cycle of a strain of bacteria called T4. To cut a long story short, his answer to the questions was, "why don't we get a spokesman for the bacteria, put it on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting C) and ask them why they do that( whatever I asked him)?" Then he added, "infact, the whole field of Molecular biology is an artifact. NO one has gone inside a cell and seen how things work. Only God knows." By the way, the guy is a renowned genetisist. Eventhough he does not believe in the concept of God as told by Jews and Christains, he does beleive in the existence of a higher being. I've been trying to give him da'wa. We are making progress. Infact, he asked for a copy of the Quran which he did get.
Galool
I don't think we rail against Science. If anything, we celebrate how Science confirms many things in the Quran. Personally, I came to realize the more one studies the Sciences the more they become convinced of the existence of God. The degree of complexity and organization in all the levels of life (from the cell to the organism) could only come from an all mighty, all wise, all knowing being.
As for evolution, i'm cool with it as long as the proponents don't attmept to convince me that I descended from a monkey. Infact, eventhough they advocate that all life forms had one ancestor, they don't deny the possibility of having one designer either. So I think you are being a lil oveboard when you say we "rail at Science and evolution yet fall back on it to smooth out the rough edges of your faith" |
| FG. | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 10:11 am
Arowelo.
One loses connection to his/her people if he/she doesn't share islam with them. Reading the biography of the prophet and the sahabah will shed some light on the subject very brightly. Galool's profound hatred and disdainful comments have roots in his disgust with islam. So, not surprisingly, he has to campaing and lash out at somalis who proffess their allegiance to islam. You should have seen his first post to the net and how he started declaring his war on the Quran. Galool is closer to MAD in relativity than he is to any somali including his parents if they are alive. He would have orchestrated their demise in no time if it suited his plans.
Galool.
Sadam's islamness is not something you would understand since your knowledge of islam is zero. The prophet told us to refrain calling muslims disbelievers unless we have substantial reason to declare them so. I did see him pray on CNN. Enough reason to declare him a muslim. The pillaging, the killing, the mistreatment, all what goes against islam that he did is upon him.
The rest of your mumble was addressed perfectly by non other than Anon and Arawelo. I also declare my war on you just like Arawelo did. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 10:55 am
"ANON Nice to have the classic "Anon" back. There is still some life left in you then?"
yes, as much as you would have liked me gone, there is still him around.
"There are many people who openly admire hitler but they can't help him now can they? Admiration does not add or take away anything from a friend or a foe. Boycotting does as it is an often effective form of economic warfare. Millions of Pakistans and Indonesians admire Arafat but that does not do him or his cause any good. If on the other hand they were to boycott all "Jewish" goods and services, then that will be useful to the "friend" and harmful to the "foe". "
if that is the case, then why the jews fear the thought of hitler being admired by anyone if admiration does not add (hurt) or take away anything----(does not frighten the jews)? ;-)
the fact is that this admiration terrifies (hurts) the jews. ;-)
anyone who says some nice things about hilter, he will for sure vilified by the jews. among other things, he will be labeled as anti-semite carrying lethal or dangerous weapon(worst than any boycot); he will be hunted like a deer and ostracized (hated)--------and will be boycotted for the rest of his life. ;-)
"I know magnanimity in defeat is not your strong point, but I think you will gain a bit more respect from the beardos and others here if you concede to this straightforward logic."
i think that is your wishful thinking and this wishful thinking is not going to help your case. all your servile attentions giving by yourself(claiming to be a winner) is the unceasing adulation that spring from your own selfish desire to get ahead, not out of any sincere, though. for sure, you are a self-indulger and you promiscuously attempt to make yourself a winner, but reality is that you are the personification of the traditional ward-heeler--a hypocrite. ;-) i mean, you accuse people of sucking-up to the palestinians, but when it is showed that you are also doing the same things you accuse of others, you deny it. are you not a sycophant (a bootlicker), galool? ;-) |
| Galool | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 03:11 pm
FG
I see you are learning the evasion tactics from Common. You failed to address any of my serious points, particularly the one about what your ideal Islamic state would look like. Instead you resorted to tirade of name-calling which, frankly, is a little bit crass.
I don't hate Islam or Muslims or Somalis. You obviously believe that anyone who disagrees with you must hate Islam. I dispute your claim that Islam is what binds Somalis together. It is not, and you know it. Dishonesty and self-delusion will lead you nowhere buddy. It is the clan system that brings together or divides Somalis. The common language is perhaps the second unifying factor and Islam comes somewhere after that. The evidence for this is sadly unrefutable, since we just completed(at least I hope we did) an orgy of fratricide although we are all "Muslims". I never declared war on Islam or Islamists, but that kind of accusation does not surprise me coming from people buzzing with boycotts and conspiracy theories.
I am amazed that if you see someone praying on CNN then that makes him/her a Muslim! Hey I fasted last Ramadan (well except three days) so I presume that qualifies me as a Muslim then? Or do I have to prove it on CNN first?
Your bringing my parents into our discussion was unfair. |
| FG. | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 11:32 pm
Galool.
You said: "You failed to address any of my serious points, particularly the one about what your ideal Islamic state would look like."
What reason do I have to explain An ideal muslim state to someone who considers Allah Unjust and Unfair?. Don't you think one should invest in where benefit is attainable?. Let me be more friendly Galool, read the ideal state of prophet mohammed scw and his companions in the books of SIIRA if you are seriously interested. There, you might have a serious insight into the state you are inquiring about.
you said: "Instead you resorted to tirade of name-calling which, frankly, is a little bit crass."
What was the name calling?. Don't you appreciate I did reiterate your stance of disbelief and the way you vehemently reject anything other than your sacred atheistic laws?. I told the characteristics of someone who doesn't share islamic faith with his people and how he would behave. If that bothered you, I am flabbergusted. May be a little bit more digging into your mind is positivley fruitful eh?.
you said: " You obviously believe that anyone who disagrees with you must hate Islam."
I don't mind the disagreeing at all. It is the way the creator of this world intended things to be. Some accept his message some reject. What I mind is the way a rejectionist of islam treats others who identify with it.
Listen, I am not here to agtonize you or anyone else for his disagreement. As I told you before, picturing yourself to be an intellectual giant doesn't make islam to be less attractive. Your dissatisfaction with it and its publicity doesn't change one's mind. It has the opposite effect on us. What was your point from the onset you found this net?. What was your contribution to it?.
you said: "I dispute your claim that Islam is what binds Somalis together. It is not, and you know it."
What I know is, not only somalis, but all muslims are binded by islam. But again, you being somali and a disbeliever could have made the bond inexistent if your claim was right. Are you a proof that somalis are not muslims?. If not, then any somali muslim who doesn't practice the teachings of islam can't be used as an evidence against islam. That is his/her fault.
you said: "Dishonesty and self-delusion will lead you nowhere buddy. It is the clan system that brings together or divides Somalis."
Does belonging to a tribe or a nation make one unislamic?. Your application and usage of islamic symbols always backfire at you and I tell you why. What does islam teach about tribe and nationhood?.
"49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)"
What could make each of those(tirbe&nation) negative and unislamic is their application. If Used rightly and the intedned way, there is nothing wrong with them. That is why Allah added in the end that the best of the people are not judged based on their tribe or nationhood but based on their piety. YOU KNOW WHO TO BLAME NEXT. Islam EH?. And why not when you always make people's short comings islamic.
You said: "I never declared war on Islam or Islamists,"
That is nice of Galool. Make sure your neighbourly comments about it are inline with its teachings next time to prove more of your innocence lol. You are complaining too much. Forgive me Galool if you are truly honest in your declaration of well-intendedness. I misunderstand may be the english you write lol. Don't know. Well, you can prove me wrong.
You said : " but that kind of accusation does not surprise me coming from people buzzing with boycotts and conspiracy theories."
Can you accept muslims organizing themselves the same way their enemies organize?. This muslims-always-guilty-of-anything-they-do attitude is hypocritical Galool.
you said: "I am amazed that if you see someone praying on CNN then that makes him/her a Muslim! Hey I fasted last Ramadan (well except three days) so I presume that qualifies me as a Muslim then? Or do I have to prove it on CNN first?"
Believe me, I WOULD HAVE DEFENDED YOU RIGHT FROM THE START IF YOU HAVEN'T DECALRED YOUR DISBELIEF. I didn't force you to admit it. As long as you claim to be muslim, and don't write what is against islam (that can take one out of the fold of islam), MUSLIMS WILL REFRAIN FROM CALLING YOU A DISBELIEVER. That is a must. Also, to re-assure you, I am not afraid to declare SADAM a disbeliever if I had the same proofs I had from you.
"Your bringing my parents into our discussion was unfair."
I didn't say anything wrong about them. Now, you are doing the same stuff I am being accused of.
Galool, Does it really bother you to be called a gaal?. Let me know. Don't think I hate you Old man. I don't like the devil's work you doing in the net lol. |
| Arawello | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 08:40 am
Galool,
I am not distressed by your writings if you have chosen the word ' distress '' deliberetly rathar It taught me where my border with you lies. In other word , before I had a feeling that you critisce Islam and the Somalis but do hate them. But know I know you hate them. And my question was why?
Of course Somalis do hate each other and the onlt thing they can love each other is Islam. But I know how a Somali would write . He would write against another clan. Of course there somalis who would do evrything to destroy other clans but I am yet to see any somali who says Somalis should be devided into 3, 4 so that there power against Ehopia would be reduced . Who says that only outside anemies and I said outside to differentiate the inside enamy. Okey, let me spell out bit more about that if you are a non- somali muslim, your concern would be your place in Somali and not their destruction. ( this is my understanding about you unless you prove otherwise but I do not think so )
As bro FG told no one disrespected you but you draged us to spell you out.
nb. i am not expressing my opinion of Somaliland separation here. |
| Aro | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 08:42 am
Galool,
And about boycatting I did this before for child labour. |
| Galool | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 10:14 am
Aro
Lady, you are entitled to your opinions and so am I. As I said earlier, I do not hate Somalis or Somalia. Whether you believe it or not is entirely upto you, and makes no difference to me whatsoever. "Somalia" is a place, and without its people has no value as an entity. You confirmed that Somalis hate each other so much that they have been busy cutting each other's throats for more than ten years. But you think the physical division of a country matters more than the peaceful and prosperous existence of it's people. I disagree, but I will not call you names or label you as "people hater"
You seem to have a propensity to jump to conclusions and label people, and that is not an endearing characteristic nor is it conducive to to a good and fruitful discussion.
For your information, I believe that Somalia should eventually be one nation, as I expressed in that same posting. I do however, believe that that should come about through dialogue and negotiation, not through misplaced Nationalism - we tried that and it obviously didn't work.
Moreover, we need to think pragmatically and look at the reality on the ground. The fact is we have more than a dozen entities on the ground today. To have three manageable units as the first phase of eventual union is a lot more realistic than trying to force the pre 1991 set-up again.
If you believe I have anything to do with Somaliland or any other group then you are way off the mark!
Lastly, this is a political debate you raised and this part was for Religion, so shall we leave it at that? What say you Aro?
FG
You calling me a Gaal does not bother me at all. What you did was a bit more than that, since you said that I would sell my parents to achieve some as yet unspecified but devilish goal. I still think that was crass and classless(nod to common) and you should apologize.
I have absolutely no problem with Muslims organizing themselves against their real and imagined enemies. I only pointed out that Xenophobia and Paranoia are not unusual characteristics of people who see enemies behind every tree (or screen in this case)
Your question about why I am on the net is so idiotic, if you don't mind the expression, that frankly it does not deserve an answer. But since you used to be a good debating foe, I will answer it: TO DEBATE, EXPRESS MY OPINIONS AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY!
I am amused you think that I am somehow trying to lead you down the wrong path. Hey, thanks pal! I am flattered! Even I don't value my persuasive skills that highly.
You said that I declared war on the Quran in my first posting. Well, actually, what I said in my first posting was how easy it is to wind-up beardos like you. I would say I succeeded beyond my wildest dreams, when the head-beardo is unwisely declaring flame-wars and accusing people of selling their parents!
And now to the issue of what a modern Islamic state should look like. I always suspected you have your head in the clouds but it seems outer space is more the place of your residence. It may be useful to remind you that the Prophet is dead, and he will never return. He is not here to set-up a government through divine edict. Moreover, the world has changed a little bit over the last 15 centuries. All this means that a state identical to the one at the prophet's time cannot be recreated. In fact it may be worthwhile to recall that Islam and politics are such a bad mix that three out of the four Khalifs after the Prophet were murdered by other Muslims in political feuds! The Prophets' grandchildren met similar fate.
I thought that explaining Islam to Infidels like me was part of your mission, so here is an opportunity for you to earn some Ajar points. How would you elect rulers? will there be modern taxation systems or will the Zakat suffice? Does anything you see in the contemporary world even remotely resemble the kind of state you are dreaming about?
Looking forward to hearing from you. |
| FG. | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 12:43 pm
Okey. Let me correct you about few issues here,
A- Don't consider me a good debater ever. My intention is not to be good or bad debater but to put down my two cents IN defence of what I belief to be the perfect way of living although I might not be perfectly practicing it.
B- If you intended to make me feel guilty about mentioning your parents, you will be disappointed. Again, according to a man who doesn't share the islamic faith and its teachings with the closest relatives he has, you have no oaths to keep for anyone and boundries set for you that you can't over-step to do what you want. You can disagree with me as you did, but you can't tell me that isn't the way things are with a disbeliever. If you are compationate man towards your parents then that is uniquely understandable. The facts are on you not on your parents. I am not going miles over that point again unless you keep mentioning it for whatever reason. I don't feel any remorse drawing the anology. Your parents are somalis like us and what you talk negatively about is THEIR RELIGION.
C- you said: "I have absolutely no problem with Muslims organizing themselves against their real and imagined enemies. "
There are no immagined enemies for islam but real ones. However, you, being the advocate of the real enemies of islam, are calling that enemies "immagined ones" to make muslims phobic people or reactionary. Surprisingly, you talk their talks(those enemies of islam) and may be suitably walking their walks. Reminds me the few drinks too lol. Forgive me for mentioning that I couldn't resist. I know you don't mind wiso.
D- You said: "I only pointed out that Xenophobia and Paranoia are not unusual characteristics of people who see enemies behind every tree (or screen in this case)".
The Xenophobia and the paranoia are both clearly evident from your writings about somalis and how you want them view their faith. It is like somalis with islam can be real threat to you. AREN'T THEY?. Somalis are all islamists whether you believe it or not. Some of us are polite about their allegiance to islam (like those who talk to you here), others are very fierce AND violent about it , they can also be abusive (like those in the public forumss. Tell them islam isn't for them and see the reaction). Even those few of them who rebel against it(Like you) aren't shying away admitting their connection faintly. A little somali trait in you EH?.
- You said: "Well, actually, what I said in my first posting was how easy it is to wind-up beardos like you."
Galool, I guess you are pissed off today and decided to go on the rampage to even up with your tiny illetrate subjects like me. What happened to the GOB deal you decorated on me recently?. You told me you were also disappointed in me the first days you started the discussions. I guess your disappointments are ever expanding. They had no limits in the first place since affliates of islam were always rats to you.
-You said: "I always suspected you have your head in the clouds but it seems outer space is more the place of your residence."
Mars should be the exact residence of mine. And that wasn't suspicion old man, it is your real and decided perception of people like me. According to the diction, the word suspicion has the same denotion of, distrust, jealosy, mistrust, diffidence, doubt. Is it a wonder then that you like using that word all the time when you talk to US muslims?.
- You said: "It may be useful to remind you that the Prophet is dead, and he will never return."
Yes, the prophet scw is dead and won't return but left two things that if we hold on to them, we will never need fabricated laws and unjust legislations made by men who don't know the impact their decisions can have on people. Talk about AMENDMENTS and fixing LAWS all the time.
You said: " He is not here to set-up a government through divine edict."
Yes, But we are here and can set up a government with the same principles of earlier islamic governments that ruled Spain to the west and china to the east. Europe still thanks those islamic governemnets and their contribution to the world. The objective of islamic government was explained to you by "NEW DEAL" under the "NETWORK" discussion so revisit over there if you care.
=You said: "In fact it may be worthwhile to recall that Islam and politics are such a bad mix that three out of the four Khalifs after the Prophet were murdered by other Muslims in political feuds! The Prophets' grandchildren met similar fate."
I don't think Omar rc was killed by a muslim. The rest were killed by muslims and muslims are human beings who can make mistakes. Cusman rc was killed by people who thought he made a religious mistake when in fact he didn't make one, the same reason as Ali rc was killed by people who misunderstood an islamic principle. Those tragedies don't make islam a bad system AS YOU ALWAYS ASSERT like when you said "A BAD MIX". It was the perpetrators of those murders that misunderstood something about islam and were thinking they were correcting a religious mistake. Hope you understood the implications of those murders and that they had all religious roots rather than political. Your proplem is pretending that you know what you are talking about when in fact you have NO CLUE. Why not use CLUELESS as a username?. That befitts you when you talk about islam. While you think you are damaging islam, you are actually undoing your image. YOU NEVER LEARN. |
| Aro | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 08:47 am
Galool,
I will be the least person to call poeple names. I have not said the slightest that you are not entitled for your opinion why do I have to say that? Who am I? I clearly stated I do not mind debate and indeed no-one forces me to write here. But i asked you questions and I am entitled to that as well.
LADY do you mean nayaa.
I finish with you. |
| Galool | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 09:20 am
FG
I was not appealing to your guilt but to your sense of fairness and decency. I assumed these are universal traits but it seems I was wrong.
You said I should not consider you as a good debating partner and I no longer don't, so you got your wish!
I have no doubt that some of you can be abusive AND violent, and I do not give monkeys about it.
You can believe in your faith politely, impolitely or with extra Dijon Mustard and it would not make the slightest of diffence to me.
You do live in another world, as you so uncharacteristically admitted, if you believe that Somalis respect Islam more than they respect their clans. The discussion about this issue is now becoming quite childish, with you saying Somalis are Muslims first and Clanists second and me saying NO. The main obvious difference is that I am providing evidence while your meek arguments is based on hot air.
It is a blatant lie to say that I pretend to be a Muslim in other parts of the net - I don't. I express my views honestly on any issue under discussion at that time.
You said maybe I should say something against Islam in other parts of the net. Well, here is a challenge for you, minor beardo! You say something about anyone's clan on the net and I will say Islam sucks! Lets' see who gets more abuse. Now wouldn't that be a clear demonstration of what exactly do Somalis hold most sacred?
And now let us get to what is REALLY eating you. You see, most young Islamists here are aghast as to what really rubbed you the wrong way. They will not admit it openly, but they will say to themselves "hey why is Big Brother foaming around the mouth all of a sudden? surely Galool hasn't said anything he hasn't been saying since the beginning of his debate?" Well Let me tell you what I think. Please try to forgive me if I am wrong, although I don't think I am.
You read some of my contributions elsewhere and you decided that I belong to the "wrong" clan. Perhaps "my" clan has given "yours" a hard time during the civil war? Well if that is the case, please try to forgive and forget! And more importantly don't lie to yourself and to others, particularly those decent young beardos who do honestly believe Islam as their ONLY identity. I know you don't. In fact your clannish bile is so obvious I can easily tell which clan you belong to! So don't hide under all this "islamic" shroud! Be man enough to admit you just don't like "my" clan!
And stop that BS about trying to make Islam and Somali interchangeable. Are you saying there were no Somalis before Islam? |
| Galool | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 09:30 am
Aro
No, I don't mean Nayaa. I meant it in the most respectable way possible. You are indeed entitled to ask questions, and I am entitled not to answer them!
Thank you. |
| common | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 09:43 am
I seek protection from Allah, that i trip or be tripped, that i oppress or be oppressed
A salaam aleikum
Part one-
Okay here is where i try and explain why Galool ideas are retarted. Galool, its not that I have just discoverd that your ideas that are retarted, but that i have chosen to have an immense amount of respect for you in our dealings, you have chosen to walk on that respect and intrpret it as evasive, that kinda upset me, but the straw which broke the camels back, is that you would invoke your godless langauge on Formerguest, and use your petty bougouis vocab on one so earnest. Get the drift, you can mess wid me, an i will shutup, you push it with Formerguest, and i will take delight in removing the gloves.
Okay i ahve a lot of tackle, seeing as i have had many opportunities to expose your brainpower, and have thrown some zakat your way. Here goes, how bout we start way back with your assertion, that you do not belive in any imposed or organised thoughts. Pray thee tell, in which facet of your mind, did you create this in, that you have not inherited, or in your case adopted some thought process. Secondly, in your longwinded attempt to explain how i was wrong about Islam being a factor in Somlai aggression against Eithopia, i let that slide too. In fact Islam has always played a factor in Somalia nationalism, due to it being surrounded by on the whole by non muslim countries, it has played on the Islam sentiment, particulary with Eithopia, u have a minute grasp on this issue, incidently if you looking for another example of this Malaysia has also used Islam in this partcular manor, (other muslim countries have used it so).
In fact your whole grasp on the topic of nationalism is flawed and if i may i will kill to birds with one stone, becasue Mad Mac is also peddling the same innane thoughts over in another section, about Islam and nationalism.
Let me break it to you clearly. There are no somalis. That is as simple as it gets. Now wait this is an emotional issue, so wait.. wait for it.
There are a people, who have a significant amount of historical and geographical links, but Somalia has never been a nation, never been a country and has failed quite clearly as a state. Now be careful here, becasue all theree have different meanings.
Country- A defined Terrtory with Identifable borders- clearly Somalia has never been this, We have claims against every place in the region practically
Nation- We are not one people, united by anything, in fact no one is. The idea that national sentiments are somehow primordial and exist naturally is not true,it has been proven that what exist are "immagined communities", i could be chinese if i wanted and the chinese were willing to let me be. Okay here is the big part, everyone exists in this "imagined communties", and invoke nationalism to prove it.
Nationalism- that the political and ethnic should be congruent.
Nation State- contructed by a modern european system , based on the Weshphlia model. Thus became the Nation state as a unite of analysis
State- Power which can exercise legitimate force over people within its rule
here is where both Galool and MadMac go wrong, you both design the largely accidental and unquie, as universal and natural. Giddens refers to the current Nation state as the pecularities of europe. You both have no version or perecption of anything other that the confines of your society which you percive as functionaly correct.If you grew up in a barn, you would imagine that a barn was the greatest system devised for living purposes
Galool here is where you run into trouble, becasue your Nation state,your barn is less legitimate that Mad MAC, evern if all barns are flimsy constructions, Mad Macs is more organic, the Puritans leaving from mayflower had a set of ideals and basically transformed the english, overseas, the settlers had a tradtion of, so essentailly europeans have a greater sense of constructed indentity than Somalis, despite being "colonised" by the british, (that is the biggest joke), there are a state, whne you are a state it is eaeir to become a nation state. i will exaplin in a minute after i explain how somalia is not a state.
After independance, while all decolonised countries offically had recognistion as a state, they were still subjected to economic and political heavy influence (which they still are), hence most would argue they have a) have never had soverignty- and structural adjustment polices and peacekeeping, prove this cleary now.
b) immanuel wallerstein, one of teh leading authors in this debate, argues that statehood comes in the form of economic and military power, essentially being able to impose you will on others.Your earlier assertion, that all small countries have always identifies themselves as who tehy are njot , rather than who they are, is correct, your probably lies in that you think the world is neatly divided into nationalities, which it isn't, and two that Africa, is somehow going to follow suit of say scotland, which has a remarkably simliar pattern of tribes/clans whatever man, you must be dreaming
"rolling my eyes and making a K sign with my hand and saying in a beverley hills accent Kuuu-faaar"
Part two
Bis millahi Ramaanir Rahiim
Your Islam and politics bad mix idea, is as ill thought out as all your postings. You are carried on a wind ,which is produced truly by antagonists towards the Islamic faith, you have no substance, rather than a watered down drenched identity disfigured by a poorly etched author of a extraction soaked in disrepute. When you swim, your the kind of person who doesn't belive their is a bottom of the swimming pool unless you touch it, and becasue you can't touch it, you say its not there,when you drown you will surely touch it you are a lost pauper in a rich mans world, who clutches to clothes not his, that leave him naked, naked, and exposed, so he points at others and projects his dark clouds that overcast his life on to others, you hiss, and spit your rationale, which never floats nor sinks,it sinks, not becasue it has no life, but rather it is keeped alive purely by articfical means in true medecricy it remains average as yourself is, your delusions of ganduer however, imagine that you are enlighted and insist that your butched soul be the source of truth, so you cry louder than a the silent cries of a rape victim, we hear your pain, but can we treat someone who loves their rapist?, you have fantesises which incur their rape,you wear the mini skirt, so compassion is few and far between, you curl in your protective wing of ignorance, and use this detail in your lashes, you hate Galool, you hate,you are a desperate man, Rousoeu said most men live lives of quiet desperation, what is yours like Galool, full of excitement and worldly atatainments, or is it lethaghic and defeated propped up with a coat of lipstick smugded by your raper. Are you happy, are you content, ney,do you live to forget, once reminded, do you drink to forget, respectiblity is what you carve, recognision is what you need, you need love, yet who do you seek love from, the one who despises you, can he offer it to you, no you know he can't, but how can i go back to the family, i mean i have been raped , haven't we Galool, so we live in nomans land, caught between two polarised communties, shall we snarl, oh how embittered we will be , how correct, and oppressed we have been, how right we are, how another heritage for africa to adopt, first the arabs and then the white man, all came to get us didn't they Galool, did they hurt you, what have they done to your pyche, are you angry, are you sad, what can you do, but sit, and think, and listen to those thoughts in your head, yes the ones you can't escape,yes, thats it you think, but who gave you this thoughts. Does the unseen exist? don't be absurd, reality is what i can touch see, smell and hear. Only what are this things in my head, that i hear, where are these thoughts coming from, is it me, this is me, then this is man, then man is this. I find it amusing that Islamist find conpircays behind every tree... I find nothing, i search for nothing, i live in a world where everything appears to be moving but nothing is moving, i am tortueed by existance, i find it amusing how easliy it is to wind up this beardos... i find heartache and discontent at every moment i stop to think, so i persist, in my wrath, Why did Allah (swt) make me so wretched, why am i suffering so, what kind of justice is this, blaming Allah, of course i blame Allah i am nice, i am just, i fast, i belive in humanity, i do good things, so let me believe in me, let me centre the world around my existance, me, i did this, thats mine, over there is me, me , and then me, i went, i , me.me.what..., what ..what. me.me
travelling thrrough life, like a battered wife, fearful of the touch that hurts so, much, adversity your've heard of he, at times she dwells within me. I never seen the sun shine for me. I never heard the waves crash for me. where is mine, what is mine, why can't i have. But i am not so bad, i did this last week, if other people had been in that situation they would not have been as nice as me, how do i know, becasue i am me, who is me, why me is, why... me is..
i take the day my the throat and call it a oppressor, i throw the night away in stupor, and call it comfort
i am the manfestation of what? Fredricks engles "man created the state and then the state made the man"
you is running the show, it certqinly ain't you galool
mad mac, you believe the beloved Rasoul had helpers?, who are you helping, you pays your wages knee high in blood, reprimanded by the power of curioristy, you defer to macism, you exprapolate fate, according to your golddust, your authority, on behalf of your likeness, lo are you a messenger, of indeed god , do you habour such thoughts, in the depths of the night, does your concious put it down to a bad dream, do you toy with emotions not heard of, grapple with a microphone you did not swtich on, and then you write the lycris, and you sing the song, and then you believe, only then you believe, you are the songwriter, can you hear the appaluase..... clapping.. faint,but its there. I have seen this, bnut of what you have not seen, does it not exist, of what you have not accumlated does it not grow, what you not touch, does it not blossom, what craft have thee. what craft?.
Owner of nothing, possessor of everything, speaker of all,teacher of none. I am whatever you say i am, aren't I mad mac. I am in your existnace, in your eyes you see a picture of me, in which you have explained by exsitance, by purpose, my drive, my goals, did you create me, did
you breathe life into my soul. Where are the other damn good analysist, did they not die, why do damn good analysist die?, why, does their dealth mean anything, no we all die...and wait... we are all born, why we were born, for surely the two must be related, seeing as the beginning and the end have such similar natures, let me think, let me think. Where does Alklah authority end, did Allah help me brush my teeth this moring, no i did that myself, with my own two hands..my own two hands... my own two hands... my own two hands. i spoke to the guy, through my own mouth, my own legs did this. I own this, its mine, i am the master of it, look how it bends to my will, look how my enviroment bends to my will, look how pwerful i am..but wait i have fallen,help me. please someone.. and i rise gain.. look how powerful.. did i fall?, yes but of what concern is that?. I am the tall, who fashioned the reality in accordance to my condtion, i have overcome the weak and i am right. Look at me, and try to control me, never, i have abilities which would make you marvel, i can throw a football, way up feild, i can benchpress 150 pounds, was it hard being a small guy grwoing up?, being the empitome of a weakling, did you crave the attention other men got, did you wish and long to be taller, bolder, more poewerful.
Which of the favours of your lord do you deny?. What comapnions do you find on this earth, who shall testify with you?, not Jinn nor ocean, nor tree, which all bow to their Lord in pure submission, so who stands beside you, before you and behind you, soothing your ego as you drift like a cloud to a destination sheparded by a by a rational likeminded donar, who offers you vermin enveloped in pleasure, covers your pain with a blanket of fury towards the muslims. Oh may you recover from your fury and be softed by the ease rahma brings and cursed by the pain, true knowledge, the revleation brings, until the damns that exist in your minds are broken and the river basins of pure shores may be free. For the sake of a human soul, i wish with my heart, that it may be set free from the clutches of your open enemy. Say i seek refugee in Allah from the evil whispers of shaiten, and bow to your lord,
if you can't and it disturbs you then...pause to think why.
one love |
| TLG | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 06:22 pm
Galool
I think you are transgressing beyond bounds now. Your latest onslaught on FORMER GUEST is really cheap. You are violating all God and man-made laws on decency and logic. The only person that seems to have a "clannish bile" here is the one that is claiming to know another's clan from their WRITING on issues that have nothing to do with clanism. If you are trying to settle a score, this is definitely the wrong way to do it. Try to represent your age oldman.
Whether we beleive in our faiths politely or impolitely may not make a difference to you but you definitely seem to get satisfaction from attempting to poke holes into it. When it seems that you can't really penetrate it, you decided to explore other venues accusing FG of clan loyalty. I suggest you re-read what you wrote and think about. It really stinks. |
| Diirshe | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 06:47 pm
Aesha
If You live in Northern America, Have you asked to yourself where the wellfare that you and your family are sucking come from?
Answer: The income , production and service tax that big corporation such as McDonald, Burgerking, etc pay each day.
And besides who cares about Palestine's problem.
You rather concern about your own problem... |
| Idea | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 07:44 pm
lol @ TLG,
Finally, girl...you got THAT RIGHT.
What a CHEAP WAY. Anyway, no WONDER!
lol @ Aro,
Hey whatz wrong with Nayaa!!! don't we use Waryaa
for guys...or that is insult!!! enlighten me PLZ.
FG,
The guy's hopes faded...so he is just trying to piss you off. The poor fello doesn't know that you won't fall for such wicked plan of his! |
| TLG | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 08:31 pm
Idea, what do u mean finally? He is still my adorable abtee. Correcting him on where he is wrong does not a disobedient neice make, does it? I'm sure he doesn't think so. |
| Idea | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 02:47 am
A person that doesn't believe in His creator is NOT AN ADORABLE PERSON. Sorry Sis. |
| FG. | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 03:10 am
Idea&Tlg
Thanks guys. Also thanks to Common.
Diirshe.
You can count on Galool to deliver for you. He made your point already. I guess that can suffice all those who are filled with doubts and misgivings about islam. |
| Aesha | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:18 am
To diirshi
I do live in Northemarica,,,,,and I myself and even my family none of us take welfare,,,,beside welfare is not the topic and the it's not same way anyway this is giving them they're giving us alright who says they're jew pple who give welfare, U must know them huh! U know what , somalian who live in canada I don't know about america most of them work and the one who doesn't work it must be that they don't have the citizen to work or they're old ,,,,,well and if u r one of them ,,,I am just let u know to look job,,,,,taking some pples money is just shame ,,,,,but it's not haram ,,and please ,,,,,get with the program,,,,this is not about welfare,,,,alright,,,,somali ayaa waxay tiraahdaa,,,Markii laga hadlayo ,,,,ARI AMA RI haddba sida aad u taqaanid waxaa ka hadlaysaa,,,,Lo
sidaas iyo nabad galyo ,,,,,markii qof wax kuu sheeko muran hala imaanin ee raac,,,,,muran ayaa iska maqasheen markaas ayaa la iska muranayaa,,,or waxay idinka tahay meesha qof walba wuu hadlee Adikana hadal,,,,,,,,,,see weeye I come here with peace and I am gonna let U all go with peace and love and respect to U all |
| Galool | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:29 am
Common
Your partisanship was in no doubt but you have just done your formerly sound sense of justice a great harm. I am trying hard to get upset with you, but I can't. Your basic decency is beyond doubt and your genuine believe in your version of Islam is commendable if misguided.
Anyway, have you gone totally mad or are you trying to provoke me? What is all this business about there not being such a thing as "Somali"?
Maybe I am hitting all the right places without realizing it, and this is just a way of irritating me, so please enlighten me. Surely you are generous enough to allow an old, hell-bound man some comfort in his sunset days! FYI, Islam is believed to have reached many parts of Somalia as late 500 years ago. Even the ancient coastal towns like Merca, Brava and Zeila were islamized as late as 8 centuries ago. There were people already living there, and they had numerous Gods and deities. To say there is no such thing as Somali, may be a novel idea, but it is also laughable assertion.
There is a language and culture which predated and postdates Islam. There is little doubt that Islam made a major and generally positive impact on Somali society, but to say the two are one and the same simply defies logic, history and common sense.
Anthropologists will tell that every nation has at least 3 thousand years of history. I presume that includes the Somalis, and since Islam is only half that age, you are therefore trying to establish new hypothesis that has never been contemplated before. Now you are a fairly intelligent fella, but I have not seen anything that convinces me of your ability to put forward and support with evidence new anthro-historic concepts of this level!
I am sorry to disappoint you on the the Ethio-Somali conflict as well. I hope you will appreciate that my knowledge about this issue is far more extensive than yours, since I lived with and through it, and may even have participated in it. So to say that me and my compatriots not only do not exist, but tell us what we were fighting for by a young western-born beardo is little bit audacious wouldn't you say?
Your mudslide about Africa, rape, capitalism etc was too, hmm, muddy to warrant a response.
TLG
I think your comments were unfair and unjustified. FG decided to get childish instead of debating as he used to. May I remind all of you, since you have been doing a religious war dance of late, that you have no right, authority or sole ownership to represent Allah or Islam on this earth, that Islam does not need your defense and that what you are expressing is not Allah's word but your own. Resorting to insults, implicit threats and general rowdy behaviour does not further any cause you think you represent, but on the contrary does tremendous damage to it.
My teasing of FG was borne out of his toddler-like behaviour when he started throwing contaminated porridge around. There was no particular reason as to why he should decide to behave in this way, and I creatively tried to explore reasons as to why this should be. I apologized in advance if my accusation was baseless.
Idea
Thank you for your helpful, islamic and friendly comments! They are much appreciated.
Diirshe
Good point. Keep up the good work. Some home truths are due to these bigots. The west shelters them, houses them, feeds them, educates them and what do they get in return? hatred, bigotry, racism and ingratitude. |
| Araweelo | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:49 am
Diirshe,
Sorry dude but you are simple. all what you could state was that where the somalis in norhten america get their money. and Galool made you even more crude. Your satisfaction is only food and shelter.
BUT sorry my faith ( islam ) cannot be sold by any price.
Can you dispute this? I am here. |
| Idea | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 03:43 pm
Galool,
I don't feel ashamed to apologize when i do wrong to someone but I simply can't observe you belittling my faith and watch say nothing. You can insult me as much as you want (openly or between the lines) But sorry that doesn't go for what i believe in, NO. |
| Galool | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 03:55 pm
Idea
I never insult ladies, not directly or between the lines. Never! I do unreservedly apologize if you perceived my sarcasm as an insult. |
| common | Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 04:35 am
Galool, poor Galool
The mudslide was an attempt an phycoanalysis.lol, i was pretty sure you would not approve, but i was practising my skills, i am very much thinking of being a pychologist.Inshallah, if i do not venture into other fields, who knows huh!.
Your sober response, was fairly mundane, and wrapped in the protective garments of a thought process, which despite your insistent claims otherwise isn't yours, and your assertion that Diirshe had a good point and he was free minded is ludicrous, come on now man, me and you know each other better than that!.lol. Diirshe waffling on about the welfare system is the antithesis of independant thinking. If he was here with us in the U.K, he would be the darling of the "Rat on a Rat" campaign. If you choose to use an analogy such as that What has Allah received for blessing you with gifts uncountable, hatred, bigotry, racism and ingratitude. The west "shelters" you only by the will of Allah. I mean what is the big deal here anyway, as Mad Mac would say the two are not incompatable, i don't see what the Worship of Allah, has to do specifically with the Welfare state, seeing as religious freedom..or more accurately religious "preference" is open to all in the west there should be no contradiction, if you find a contradiction, the blame would not be disproportionaly on one side. Secondly, where this "wealth" they distribute, which is quite extrodinary below the rate if inflation and stays that way year after year has been accumilated from is a is way more murky than any mudslide i could produce, and you i imagine don't want a mudslide..so if you don't want a mudslide, then don't go prodding the foot of the mountain with a pertinant stick that will snap with the exercise of any force, in short stop being a hyena
Galool you oppose hatred in theory, yet hatred gushes out of your pores and your denouncement of bigotry and hatred and ingratitude, falls heavily on muslims, are muslims the sole cause of the worlds problems?. In fact every other "faith" recives generous rapture from the banshee that is Galool, except Islam, you are indirect rule Galool your dennoucment of Islam is your self hatred and you hate us, for it too. sheeh kebab!, you have so much hate
Moving swiftly on!, i don't have a "version" of Islam, i don't have a faith either, the root word of imaan is to conform, and the Quran challenges me to think and reflect.
Galool can we quit the recationary behaviour?, you claim that muslims are attracted to Islam by ignornace, and also claim that we cling to scientific "proof" as to form the basis of our faith, which one is it, are we more inticed by ignorance or more prone to clinging to the bottom of "whiteys trousers", every post you make galool, has the mertciulous detail of being insidious, of sneering, of jesting, or riddiculing. why does your humanity behave like this?. what have we done to incur such wrath. ..i am serious.. sit down and think for a minute, re read your posts, and look at the monster which inhabits you. There is a common tradtion amongst humans to not see the bad in them, do you not notice what you say about us. why are you so mean?, what have we done to desrve your contempt?, your self loathing is projected on to us, when we have done as far as i can see little to upset you, except exist.
Okay regrading the "somali", i didn't mean to offend you, in fact this topic, is what gets me kicked out of the room when my Dad is chewing on green stuff and gets me called names.
You may wish to claim that humanity is divided into nations, which have sigificant, acertainable and unique attributes, that our nationalist sentiments are primordial etc etc, and i would.nt blame you for in, this is a pretty popular view, argued for many years by prominent thinkers ,anthropologists etc etc. It doesn't work though Galool. You still have failed to tell me what is the somali. You claim quite naively that the Somali came before Islam, when Islam arrived with Adam and Eve, you often use either a selective or ignorant view of Islam theology , jusripudence and mathematics and science etc, which would sit you upon the throne of having a "version" of Islam more comfortably than me, The ugly sister can call cinderalla all the names shes wishes, but can she squeeze her deformed feet into the glass slipper?
Now i really don't wanna upset you on this one besides, they are a lot of somali muslims who are much more miskiin who love their culture and would hate to see it vanisih, so i will be tentative. Yes there are a people, who are identifiable with the horn of Africa, who look a certain way and speak a certain way, but this is rather accidental, and of little importance. I for once perhaps being "rational" while you being emotional, tables perhaps only learn when tables turn. can not see the greatness of eating spaggetti and banana togther. Sure it tastes good, but only becasue i am used to it. In fact somalis have a self deprciating culture anyway, where they diss each other all day, and say stuff like "abaalka somalitha baal eeg" (sorry about the spelling- translated at look at the gratititude of somalis).
You are quite right in pointing out that there is a somali culture, unforntuatly you junp head first into a debate i imagine that you have had previously that Islam is somalis culture, while i would point out again, and don't make us fight about this one, that Islam has played a strong role in Somali nationalism.
My point has little to do with Islam essentially, my point, which is sadly (for you)neither laughable or novel. Is that "ethnie" a concept introduced by antropologists, is largely discredited, there is no ethnicically somali. and while there may be more gentical difference between a somali and a kenyan,than a somali and a sweish person which antropoligist have been going buck wild over for years, it has no real meaning. Bennedict Anderson, Ernest Gellner, all major writers on teh Topic of Nationalism, all cerible writers in the discourse of nationalism assert that there are no natural phenonmenon as nations, tehy are a socail construct. what if you were alone on this world, would you be somali, or english?, huh? once humanity surrounds you, why does your identity change?, you live in a imagined community, in which you imagine you are somali and everyone else imagines they are somali, i mean get real my brother, why do you think all this strife when half the country one day decides it is not from Somalia but from Somaliland, and you can't prove them otherwise, becasue despite southerners assertion to the contray, there is no proof, unless they themselves identify ..imagine them selves to be somali. I have heard people from the south go on about colonial borders, as if Somalia as a whole does not have arbitary borders!. I mean it is glaringly obvious for Somalis, they should be the first to recognise it. Can you be a nation, with out a nation state, here come the palestinans, i mean what is the difference between them and eygptians?,is it not only the fact that they imagine so. Again and again, on and on. A langauge and culture is not what defines a people, it can be what unifys them or what sperates them , as nationalism will use any exponent it can find, and despite what you say it will use religion when it is handy, and then it will disgeard it when it achieves its political aims. The old somali proverb, me against my brother, my brother and me against my cousin, is it in a nutshell. Sahiib there is no somali, there are people who imagine themslves to be somali and draw on lingustic and cultural histroy to prove they exiost..even though the lanaguge claim is really pushing it..i mean it is nice, but it ain't that rich, in fact a whole lot of it is corrupted forms of other languages. What is the big deal, i am sorry, if you need the somali identity as the cornerstone of your life, i mean you can cling on to it still if you wish, i mean if you imagine yourself to be somali, the social consequences of that imagination are pretty real, so you can pretend if you wish <trying to be nice>
you can do the "its my party and i will cry if i want to routine", if you like you can wear tradtional somali gear while you are doing it, and i will even sit there and appuald, and say what facinating and mysterious, musky, sensuous culture, full of beauty and pride. i can play the game too.. after all i am somali too right?.. for if i ain't playing.. then suddenly that cornersto ne you holding on too seems pretty shaky
About me a western beardo, telling you about the Etho- Somal conflict, i am smiling graciously. I had a dutch professor, who taught me when i went on a university exchange program to Holland, he was real mean, we went on a trip to Morocco togther and i guess he used to be upset that i "went native" on him, anyways one day i went off to go pray while the group was doing some "social research" so i cam back and he was like "where have you been" and i said "to pray" and he was like "the Quran does not tell you when to pray"..so i am sorry he upset me with pressuming he knew more about Islam than me, who had to be taught to loosen up and not take things so literaly. so sorry.I didn't mean to do the same to you, he incidently was real mean, and the muslim coach driver used to rev his engine at me whne i was praying by the coach at rural areas and they were all sitting inside waiting for me to finish, they were all quite mean. They would stop to take pictures so i would figure good opportunity to pray, but then they would say bad things about me, i mean i had to pray sometime, and i was stick with them in a iternary from 6am to 8pm at night, i could feel their eyes watching my while i prayed, at first it was hard, then i didn't care so much, so that when the muslim guy used to rev his engine at me and flap the doors as a sign to hurry up becasue the white people were getting restless i didn't care anymore, if they left me there in the middle of nowhere, rural Morocco i was alhumdullilah happy to get up and start walking.
Okay so it is audacious for me to presume more than you on it, and i don't. But Islam has played a factor in Somali Nationalism, that is all i am saying, for you to deny that, is your own assertion that you don't now much about it, i am not saying i know any more than you on it, i don't, but i now that much, remember my rivers and ocean thing, well here is maybe something you found in the river that wasn't in the ocean
Your Somali Brother |
| AMBROS | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 05:31 pm
I THINK THERE'S A CONSPIRACY THING GOING ON THIS SITE. MY THEORY IS THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ON SOMALINET. THESE PEOPLE KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ISLAM AND SOMALIN PEOPLE 100%, BUT THEY USE THIS INFORMATION TO TRY TO MISGUIDE THE MOSTLY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO VISIT THIS SITE.
ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE I KNOW IS GALOOL FOR A FACT.
MY MUSLIM BRO/SIS PLEASE IGNORE THIS KAFIR AND HIS POSTINGS.
GALOOL YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. |
| Galool | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 09:21 am
Ambros
You are big on suspicion but short on originality. Many people before you said exactly the same thing. OK so you think I am a Christian missionary?
Well here we go! I think Christianity is the most hypocritical, smug and smarmy of all the world's great faiths! The new softly cuddly image they Christians portray is so far from the truth it makes me puke! Christianity in its core believe is as potentially nasty and cruel as Islam, Judaism and Hinduism. I dislike ALL religions buddy!
Islam and Orthodox Judaism remain truer to their original values, good and bad. Their is at least honesty in their black and white certainties, while modern christianity is so de-fanged that the hell-fire breathing dragon has been deliberately repackaged into a pussycat.
So I would strongly advise anyone NOT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
Satisfied Ambros? |
| babilon | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 08:21 am
Hmmm Interesting!!!
It's nice to see Somalians concern about consuming of the enemies products. But how about those dressing and dancing to the groovy beats sponsored by those very people U mention here. Are U all blind to the fact that not only ur stomach has been appeased, but ur sexual desires, fashion awareness and in some cases ur mind in general. Every footage U admire in TV or films is directed by ur foes. Steven Spielberg sits on the helm of the throne, and guess what his movies are doing better in the Arab world than they are in his backyard.
U talk of food, how about where U snooze, guess what hotel is next to the hajj: yep! U guest right HILTON!!! owned and run by whom?? hmmm I can see some light bulbs lightning up above ur skull. Just down the street is another fast food restaurant and wala!! it is none other than the big M and opposite that is KFC and two blocks from there is Burger King.
Why is the Islamic world(sadly it doesn't exist 2day) but why are they falling prey to this mental invasion, cause once they wake up and return to their roots nothing and I repeat and stress and underline NOTHING will stand there way. So the foes as always are thinking hard and fast, they are taking care of the so called leaders( the men in the wedding gowns- fahd and the crew) pleasures. I was watching his visit to Spanish Island a year or so ago, he had five Boeing 747's carrying his belongs and crew, and the Island population sky rocketed to a staggering heights during his tenure, the entrance wasn't grand as the spectacle would wish, he came down from one of the 747 in a wheel chair.
The Muslims overcame a mighty super powers of the glory era by not sucking up to this world, but by seeking the pleasure and acceptance of their Creator Allah(SWT) and thus resulted in overcoming every obstacle thrown there way, but today sadly we have so called leaders who are seeking the pleasure and bliss of this temporary world and in result our foes are having a free walk not only in our lands but more importantly our hearts and mind.
When the US army was humiliated in Mogadishu by the late aideed, what was their response?? to take Somalis by the plane load, monthly, almost 300 were taken to the promised land...America. Why, not to pat them on the back and congratulate them for a job well done but to transform them to wanna be's snoopy doggy dog and Toni Braxton so the offsprings from that back bone worships not the Quran but the quality of shaking booty!! whoom whoom who let the dog out whoom !! whoom whoom.
Wake up and smell the coffee oops who owns the coffee ??Star bucks!!.
Till then fii amaani Laah |
| common | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 09:03 am
babs
nice message, albeit highly charged, (which personally i like) but brother/sister look out for the Galool he will ooze sentiments of dry humor and "witty" putdowns.
Welcome, put your guard up sonny
Galool.
Hmmmm glad to see you are a equal opportunity secular fanatic, it is only what can be expected really considering your comteporary surroundings.I read a article the other day about Peter Stringfellow and how he can relate to Judasim best becasue it has a "jealous egotistc god"..uh huh...hmm... kinda fits in with Babilyons shake booty analysis don't ya think. Also why the freak out now?, you have resisted my goading of your opinions before, also you condemed by demographic analysis of the jewish poulation in Germany, which was really Mad Mac's ideological child, i just extended the logic, but you get the point. Aren't Christains part of the humanity circle anyway... comeon they are a easy target, a lot of what you said rings true, and i have no beef with it, but Mad Mac would definitly say, if he wasn't prone to picking disproportionly on me that "in some circles you would be considered intolerant". Aslo if i was a pain, i would adopt asad methodology and make you "choke on your words" but me and you like to cut each other slack, although i tend to lossen the noose more than you do, considering you leave me ravished by MM and his obscure reasoning which vexes those less paitent, i want special status back, there was a time, before the advent of TGL , the arrival of your <smile>...illustrious neice that i was the official pet misguided muslim... i am hankering after than status again,we can be sort of like the blessed Prophet(pbuh) and his Uncle the Qurasihi leader. Can i at least share with TGL?.. huh? whatday say.lol. Not that i can't make it out here!.lol, but a protective wing can't do no harm (TGL move up a little, let me sit next to you.lol)
Hey i have a good book for you to read, my lecturer recommended it, but she won't let me read it until i graduate, becasue she thinks i will go into a war dance rampage, you know the kind of things you think about me, you would like her in fact, she is one of the most cynical and witty (although the two i would like to stress are not synonomous) dry, intelligent people i know, plus she likes me and that helps.
But you have to give me a promise that you would read it, a solemn promise okay, please. |
| common | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 09:04 am
ps:
To my absolute horror, i bought Manderines from Asda got home and lo and behold there right before my eyes "produce of Israel" nearly had a heart attack! |
| TLG | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 10:35 am
common, loool bro. You made everyone in the computer lab look at me like i'm a psycho or something. I know sharing is encouraged in Islam but i'm gonna be selfish this one time. I refuse to share my status.lol
BTW, is it upto me or Galool? Oh well.
Babilon, how true. But don't make us feel like what is the word. I mean, i'm sure we have good things. There are some things that we as Muslims have or do that are good.
Galool, you had to go to such lengths to deny your missionary status...lol. Do you wanna hear a joke about a missionary in Africa? It is a funny one but I have to run, so...next time may be, insha Allah.
P.S. Common, while reading the stuff you bought and where it was made, I couldn't help thinking. I like Tobalerone chocolate. You kow who makes them right? |
| Galool | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 01:18 pm
Common
Your "secular fanaticism" jibe is no mere hollow broadside against me. It is in fact regretably practised in many parts of the world. In turkey, women employees are not allowed to work in public offices wearing a head-scarf, and sporting a beard is considered postively subversive!
Even in developed liberal France, school-girls are actively discouraged to don anything with religious overtones.
Having said that if I were to choose between living in Turkey or in nearby Iran, I will choose Turkey anyday! Which one will you prefer to live in Common?
TLG
Your Cyber-uncle is a weak being, and constant jibing does hurt him! (I see you say Aaah!!!)I thought I should set the record straight once and for all and say that all organised religions suck! They all offer the childish diet of hell and heaven, carrot and stick, sex(what REALLY attracts ANON) and barren celebity.
Grown-ups shouldn't really fall for such simple con-tricks should they? |
| ANON | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 05:08 pm
galool---do you know that it is a mark of emotional maturity if one can accept hostility as well as dish it out----if one does not just hit and then run. i mean, you engage superficially your childish acts by heaving cheap shots at one place and then run to another (hit and run). ;-). you are funny atheist fanatic, though, but you are weak attacker. ;-) you have a one-track mind and when you're riding your particular hobby (cheap shots at beliefs), you ride it cowardly, but you have such an excessive, all inclusive zeal for one thing---hatred for religion and it shows. you are sadistically against established beliefs. you are, as lascivious and wanton immoral, you shamelessly and promiscuously attempt to satisfy (and unsuccessful in so doing) your atheistic desires with us in any moment within your arm's reach---aren't you a feeble monomaniac or weak iconoclast? ;-) |
| had-fun. | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 01:21 am
ANON.
You should write like that as often. Without the quotes, you really rock. Do it when neccessary but not often. That is an order. Take it or leave it. |
| Idea | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:42 am
lol@ had-fun..looooooooooooooooooool. I like that.
A birdly told me that Ataturk was kindnapped by some aliens who brainwashed him and the result was his famous movements and his wicked victory in 1922. You know!!! Satan never stops amazing the human beings mentality.
Common,
loooooooooooooool. That was funny!
TLG,
you r selfish, give ur brother a room...lol
ANON,
what do you think of a person having multiple personalities??...lol |
| Idea | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:46 am
kindnapped.....>kidnapped
birdly..........>birdy |
| common | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 05:18 am
salaam sister Idea
thanks and welcome back
Galool
In Victor Meldrew fashion (sorry the rest english joke) I don't believe it!, you have managed to squeeze your ugly sister feet into the righteous slipper again, so sweat, but you really are maintaining hardcore on the special status thing for me, i know i worked hard to destroy it, so i just gotta work hard to get it back
TGL
Sadly he needs to be the one who makes the decesion, you would be way more fair,for example what if i were to got nuts and start going beserk on New Deal (Allah (swt) forbid), you would be like whats up with common, galool on the other hand would call it liberation of my opium oppressed mind, he's partisan support can't be trusted but it can be useful for political purposes |
| had-fun. | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 06:56 pm
Idea, Let us hope you weren't kidnapped as well. What is up with the birdy thing anyway???. I thought you are the birdy here and the rest were Diiqs. |
| babilon | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:34 am
Hi folks,
Common since u asked, the gender is Adam,
TLG we surely do have good pluses, bear in mind been born a Muslim is the best blessing one can ever make his/her depute to this world.
Though u grasped what I was pointing out and ur accolades much apprecaited I won't revisit and comment about my previuos comments, but rather spend few seconds on the plusses of this Ummah.
Maybe most are unaware of but their is a phenomenal that unfolds in our faith. In every generation the elite join and convert to Islam, Muhamed Ali(no introduction required), Murrad Hoffman the German born director of NATO, who wrote a book that caused an uproar in the West, cause they couldn't come to grips with one of their elite converting to Islam. NATO is where they developed satellites that can penetrate not only thru space but thru walls and bunkers to reveal a target human or object, in short it's the pride and power of the Western hemisphere, and the man sitting on the helm of that throne one morning woke up and walked out on them and walked in to a Mosque to proclaim the SHAHADA. For those who are interested in his book, the title is 'Islam the alternative'. He also wrote another book called 'Journey to Makkah' It reflects on the blessings of Islam's five pillars in daily life, culminating with a journey to Makkah and comments on contemporary secular challenges facing Islam. Another popular convert is the pop idol of the seventies Yusuf Islam formerly known as Cat Stevens, Hamza Yusuf a convert is another hero of the modern Islamic thinkers. And if you are really into the club of books, decorate your shelf with this book 'Struggling to surrender' a powerful and dynamic book written by Jeffrey Lang. Dr. Lang asks and finds answers for the many of the "toughest" questions about Islam, ones that many Muslims are shy or duck to discuss. Dr. Lang is a Professor in the University of Kansas.
On the contrary since the Crusaders those who came to the fold of Christianity were mainly seekers of shelter and bread. Why, cause they deviated from the true teachings and message of Issa(AS). One of the reasons Yusuf Islam gave when he discussed what attracted him to Islam, was not the Muslim people but the message in the Quran, sadly that indicates most of the Muslim's are not on the path the Quran is paving. In Islam there is no place for kingdoms and monarchies and through out the Islamic world so called kings sit on the helm of the throne, doing dis-service not only to their own people but to the Muslims around the world. An Islamic state is not based on kingdoms. That rule was abolished by our Prophet(SAW). No single human is born to rule supreme, a ruler has to earn his throne, not thru the womb but thru the tasks he solves during his rise to peak of the masses. Sadly and most unfortunately today we have a system in the Islamic world that was practiced during the days of paganism and the barbaric era, an era when the baby girl was buried because of her gender. Their is a sound Ahadith which tells us when the time of these world is NIGH ...'We will witness a time when the lowest of society will rule the world'. Look around u today. Aren't we witnessing those time?? the former leader of the so called free world fornicated with a girl old enough to be his grand daughter. Leaders who are slaves not to the well being of the society they preside over but their low desires.
By the way folks a word of advise, stop attacking one another and debate like intellectuals or do we have pseudo intellects in the house. I doupt that 'cause some of the contributors to this page are highly aware of the blight we are facing. By picking and unzipping one anothers comments ur doing nothing other than revealing ur short sightness . If someone chooses to be an atheist let him/her be, don't be the judge ur not the one who is hanging over his/her shoulder taking notes of his/her good and evil deeds.
The suffering of the world is spoken of in terms of wars, starvation, hatred, competition, and the struggle of the fittest. Yet all the sufferings of the world originates from one organ and one organ only, and that's the HEART. I brought this up to stay loyal to the origin of the topic in hand. Which was food fed to us by our foes. A heart filled with unlawful food is harden and engulfed with darkness. I pay tribute to Aesha who initiated this topic and it's a meaningful topic if u cut out the wrong ur roughing by picking and sniffing on each others necks.
Hamza Yusuf once wrote "if we are to RIGHT the world, we must first rectify our heart". How can the Ummah do that when they are been fed by their foes, we line up in the big M cues like we are collecting 'canjeelo' from dear mum.
Lets discuss and digest and above all deliberate this topic and the many more close to our heart and well being, doing other wise will make us worthy candidates of the club of pseudo intellects.
Wish u all Qalbi Saliim.
Till then fii amaani Laah. |
| common | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 07:32 am
Bab
thanks for the message
Ja zaku allhu kahir. I really like books and inshallah will get all at least one of the books you mentioned, inshallah we shall all stay out of the traps you mentioned.
peace brother |
| babilon | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 08:06 am
Brother Common, baaraka Laahu fii kum. |
| Idea | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 01:07 pm
had-fun,
that comment wasn't for you. Sorry for the confusion. Me kidnapped...lol
Babilon,
Bro...thanks for the books. |
| babilon | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:16 am
Where are the eager contributors of this page, is your head buried in one of those books I mentioned or has the fuel of commentary run out, whatever the case I hope u get hold of those books plus the many more out there, not only to enjoy them but to see and grasp the vision and light they paint.
Till then fii amaani Laah.
PS: 'had fun' baarka Laahu fii. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:25 am
As a pagan I'm not allowed to contribute to this page. |
| babilon | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:43 am
Correction... Mad mac, pagans are most needed 'cause our goal is to save them from the darkness they dwell on.
PS: 'Idea'
the previous message was for u not for the 'had fun' character. |
| Hana | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 05:11 am
listen ya'll i didn't get time to read all of the messages but i have a comment for GALOOL and TLG. This dicussion is about Islam and not "who wants to be an Arab" as you guys already know that palastine is an Islamic contry and in da Day of Judgement its gonna be the Muslim against the Jews and Christians. So there u go, give them money my buying their products and you know where the money will go which will be things to distroy da Muslims and to kill the Muslims.Did any of you guys hear about the Arab guy which killed the jew in LONDON when the pres asked his mom what she thought about what her son did she said it was good so bassicaly i thing we need strong Muslims like those ppl.At the end of the day Mcdonald is a franchisor which was built by the jew so half of the money of every franchisee will go to the jew. And now as you already know by now AMERICA as well as BRITAN is helpin the jew.Thats all i have to say peace and take care...... |
| ANON | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 06:42 am
"as you guys already know that palastine is an islamic contry and in da Day of Judgement its gonna be the Muslim against the Jews and Christians"
i thought when a country is ruled in islam----that is when you can can call it an islamic country. in my opinion, there is no country in the world today where islam is ruled----that includes palastine and saudi arabia. also, i thought----and there is no doubt that there will be a big war---muslim against jew and christians in that area in the future and muslims will get the upper hand, however, i also heard jesus will come back and will kill the anti-christ and fight with the muslims, but i also heard when the day of judgment is coming, muslims were all killed by that time. i mean, when there is no muslim left in this world, then that is when the trumpet will go off. ;-) |
| wise | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 01:34 am
Hello everyone!
This message is for all Somalis,
Why bother with the others when our people are destroying themselves and our beautiful motherland?!!!
You know what they say: You can only help your brother when you have helped yourself.
What I am trying to say here is, we Somalis have other issue to solve then to avoid products like McDonalds and Coco Cola just because they are from the Jews. That is for me a very weak argument.
Message to Aesha,
Stop the hating, it is not good for the heart and if you are a real muslim you would know that. Palatines and Jews are both suffering. and yes the Jews has the upper hand. I will give you another example where the Muslims have the upperhand. take a look at the situation in Sudan. think of it, you are black too.
may god bless us all.
:-) |
