     Asraarr | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 12:23 pm
What does Islam teaches us about tolerance?
I am a muslimah alxamdullilah, but the acrinomy I seen towards someone who claims to be a non-beleiver on these pages makes me question always what Islam teaches us about tolerance. Have I misunderstood the wisdom inherent in the ayaa "....Lakum deenakum, waliya deen" ?
Why is it not possible to educate those who are not muslims and, and if they don't want to see the light to ignore them instead of attacking them.
Should we forget Islamic aadaab in our zeal to defend Islam??? |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 02:19 pm
"I am a muslimah alxamdullilah, but the acrinomy I seen towards someone who claims to be a non-beleiver on these pages makes me question always what Islam teaches us about tolerance. Have I misunderstood the wisdom inherent in the ayaa "....Lakum deenakum, waliya deen"?"
the only acrimony towards anybody on these pages is the animosity towards islam and those who believe islam. and i've never seen anyone being forced to accept islam on these pages.
"Why is it not possible to educate those who are not muslims"
maybe they do not want to be muslims. maybe they want to mislead/mis-educate you about islam.
"and if they don't want to see the light to ignore them instead of attacking them."
pointing out the discrepancies made by them and correcting them does not mean attacking them.
"Should we forget Islamic aadaab in our zeal to defend Islam???"
i don't see why we should. and i don't see why we also should forget this too: 9:73 and 9:123. read surah towba to understand how to have tolerance. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 02:50 pm
there is nothing wrong to be nice towards those who are nice to you and there is nothing wrong to be harsh (use roughness towards them) towards those who are not nice to you.
if one has really seen the light (islam) and has come to believe in Allah, not as a matter of mere formality and convention but in the fullness of his heart, every pore of his being pulsating and quivering with that belief, what can be wrong in such a person if he proclaims that truth out-loud and as often as she chooses, but also a little harshly----especially when the infidels and hypocrites promote their beliefs in order to create mischief and schism between the muslims.
what is this much dreaded and much-abhorred "intolerance" except the natural result of fullness of faith? is something wrong striving hard against the infidels and the hypocrites with words and arguments? |
| Asraarr | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 05:35 pm
"what is this much dreaded and much-abhorred "intolerance" except the natural result of fullness of faith? is something wrong striving hard against the infidels and the hypocrites with words and arguments"?
Anon, you seem to have misunderstood my question. you sound defensive as though I said "do not strive hard against the inifidels and the hypocrites" I did not say that. By the way, doesn't 'fullness of faith' entail compassion, patience and gratitude too?
I hold people who are knowledgable about Islam on a higher level than people who don't know thier deen. When these 2 diferrent groups of people argue in the same way and method, then I question our knowledge about tolerance and adaab.
To add another dimension to this discussion; I am of the opinion that Islamic dawa will gain more and be effective in attracting people by the way it is presented to people. In stead of being defensive, one should strive to explain why Islam is the answer. |
| TLG | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 06:29 pm
Asalaamu alaikum,
Asraarr, what do you propose we should do? Eventhough I agree with you that we should be gentle with people, sometimes you need to fight fire with fire. I think what gets to the nerves of most people (including me) is when some people, who clearly declare their disbeleive in Allah and admit not knowing much about the Quran act like authorities on Islam, presenting THEIR notions as facts. People can postulate whatever they want and we will try and postulate why we think their thinking is wrong. But the moment they start acting like their word is the "gospel truth" and misrepresent Islam, then that is where we have a problem. If this makes Islam "unattractive" then so be it. |
| ANON | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 06:57 pm
"Anon, you seem to have misunderstood my question. you sound defensive as though I said "do not strive hard against the infidels and the hypocrites" I did not say that."
i don't think i'm the defensive one. i didn't say you said don't strive hard against the infidels and the hypocrites.
"By the way, doesn't 'fullness of faith' entail compassion, patience and gratitude too?"
yes, that is why i said there is nothing wrong to be nice towards those who are nice to you and there is nothing wrong to be harsh (use roughness) towards those who are not nice to you. it is wrong to have partially faith (to be nice all the times) always when things are not one way all the times.
"I hold people who are knowledgable about Islam on a higher level than people who don't know thier deen."
are you knowledgeable about islam?
"When these 2 diferrent groups of people argue in the same way and method, then I question our knowledge about tolerance and adaab. To add another dimension to this discussion; I am of the opinion that Islamic dawa will gain more and be effective in attracting people by the way it is presented to people."
yes, by the way islam is presented to the people is not one way all the times. if people are seeking the truth, they will get nice dawa, but if they are not seeking the truth and abusing islam, they will get harshness. there is nothing wrong with these two approaches.
"In stead of being defensive, one should strive to explain why Islam is the answer."
i don't come here to teach islam and i do not think those infidels are here to learn islam.
if they attack and become harsh, they will get appropriate answers, but if they are nice and seeking islam, they will get appropriate answers.
we should not be only one way all the times. the key word is to utilize islam in the best way possible (the hikma). again, there is nothing wrong to be nice towards those who are nice to you and there is nothing wrong to be harsh (use roughness) towards those who are not nice to you. |
| FG. | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 11:40 pm
LOOOOL ANON. |
| FG. | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 11:47 pm
TLG&ANON.
May Allah give you his blessings.
Asraar.
Have you read prophet Abraham's declaration to his people when he told them he disbelieved in their acts?. And the declaration of animosity towards them forever untill they changed?. Also, when Moses pbu them all told his people if they didn't believe in him then they should avoid him?. |
| common | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 07:51 am
Anon
I want to say sorry. sorry saxib |
| ANON | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 08:41 am
common--- for what? i do not think you did anything wrong to me----that i know of. |
| TLG | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 03:45 pm
Hey ANON, salaam bro.
<it is wrong to have partially faith (to be nice all the times) always when things are not one way all the times.>
This kinda got me worried. I guess the person who is kinda nice all time (save the sarcasm at times) is me. And i'm kinda worried that I have a "partial faith". When do we draw the line? I mean I have times when my blood boils to such a high degree that I wanna cut off some people's air supply but somehow i'm afraid i might be a reason for them not to look at Islam again or ever. However, I don't expect everyone to deal with things the way I do and that is why disagree with Asraar to an extent. Anyway my question is, where do we draw the line?
BTW, i read those ayahs in sura tauba, thanks.
All others are welcome to comment too. |
| ANON | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 06:11 pm
tlg------first, in debates, you can avoid getting emotional where it will lead you to do bad things--like resorting to insult. it is better to be calm and collected. on forums like this-- if we keep quite about these people who promote their unbelief and they lie about islam-----what do you do in this sitution, you asked. if you are one of the people who come to here, i guess, it is it is a catch 22 situation. what i mean is that if you happen to read what the infidels and hypocrites promot---their unbeleif and the lies they make about islam in the intention of misleading people or in the intention of blaspheming the religion itself-----you have two choices to make:
to respond or correct him or her in the best way if you can
to not be around with those who do the blasphemy in the religion.
if someone wants to be quite, he or she must not read what these people say about the religion, because if he or she reads and knows that what these people are saying is wrong and he or she keeps quite-------then that is wrong. however, the best choice is not to read. if you happen to read it (and come here) you must respond if you can.....if not you are hiding the truth.
now, where to draw the line, you asked? it depends on the situations. if someone is lying about islam and promoting unbeleif, it is wrong to exercise niceness to him or her. it is not also nice to let him or her get away with his or her sayings. i don't agree when people say we should ignore such a person or we should not attack him or her (they mean do not respond to him or her). well, pointing out the discrepancies made by him or her and correcting him or her in wrong things he or she said about islam does not mean attacking them. i believe to excuse such person is an error; it is an error of judgment. also, to speak to him or her lightly (treated nicely) is not good. i think such persons (evil-speaking infidels and hypocrites in their venomous tongues or fingers) need to be rebuked with similar and like mannar. they (the infidels and hypocrites who mock and lie about islam) need to be questioned and need not be made excuses for them. i beleive muslims should be nice and courteous, but not weak-spirited and timid-hearted when they see people making lies and promoting disblief on discussioin groups. |
| Asraarr | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 07:32 pm
Salaama Caleeykum
Anon: you asked:
"are you knowledgeable about islam?
The answer is: Yes and no. Yes I am knowledgeable about Islam, however I consider that knowledge to be at its infancy becasue I am at the begining stage of the learning process.
Anon, I want to take issue with what you wrote above in response to TLG. What do you say about what we read in the Quran;
- Repel evil with good. We are aware of all their slanders. So implore Allah and say, "My lord I seek refuge in you from the suggestions of the evil ones" (The believers 23:96)
- Warn your nearest kinsfolk, and show kindness to those who follow you. But if they disobey you, say, "I am not accountable for what you do."
(The Poets 26:214-16)
- Those who were guided to gentle speech, indeed they were guided onto the path of the Glorious One
(The Pilgrimage 22:24)
- When they hear idle chatter they withdraw from it and say, "We have our deeds and you have yours. Peace be with you. We do not seek the ignorant" (The Story 28:55)
TLG you asked : Asraarr, what do you propose we should do?
I don't have enough knowledge to answer that yet, I am struggling to reconcile what I am learning and what I see!
FG, No I am not familar with the declartion of prophet Ibrahim (pbuh). I remeber reading what what Moses (pbuh) told his people but can not recall what he said in its entirety. Any references would be appreciated. ( I will also read sura Al-Tauba)
On a different note, In the metro section of the Sunday edition of the Washington Post, there was an article talking about the increasing number of converts to the Islamic faith. The hispanic community in the US constitute the largest number of converts. This is Islamic dawa at its pinnacle. Ma'asha Allah! |
| ANON | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 08:44 pm
"I am knowledgeable about Islam, however I consider that knowledge to be at its infancy becasue I am at the begining stage of the learning process."
maybe that knowledge you have is more than what i have.
"Anon, I want to take issue with what you wrote above in response to TLG. What do you say about what we read in the Quran; - Repel evil with good. We are aware of all their slanders. So implore Allah and say, "My lord I seek refuge in you from the suggestions of the evil ones" (The believers 23:96)"
what do i say about these two verses?. the first verse tells the prophet to repel evil what the disbelievers say in the meantime till Allah's judgment arrives with good preaching of islam. and the second verse tells the prophet to seek refugee from the suggestions of the devils whose incitement may lead to something impolitic through of course not sinful. as you read, i said it above that the best choice is not to read and not be around with those who do the blasphemy in the religion, but if you happen to read it (and come here) you must respond if you can.....if not you are hiding the truth. i also said i beleive muslims should be nice and courteous, but not weak-spirited and timid-hearted when they see people making lies and promoting disblief on discussioin groups. i also said in debates, you have to first avoid getting emotional where it will lead you to do bad things--like resorting to insult-----the impolite which the devil incites with those who get emotional.
"-Warn your nearest kinsfolk, and show kindness to those who follow you. But if they disobey you, say, "I am not accountable for what you do."
(The Poets 26:214-16)"
these verses Allah told the prophet to warn his clan in the first place which the prophet did. the first converts he preached to and accepted islam were among the memebers of his own family and relatives. and the prophet was told to behave with them meekness since they become beleivers and accepted the warning in his preaching (what was in the Quran). of course, we believers should behave with each other meekness and lower our wings to each other, but if they disobey and reject the warning of the prophet, then the prophet was told to say he is quit of what they do----he is free of resonsiblity for their doings. some of the relatives and nearest memebers of his clan accepted islam and others who did not heed the warning, they gave him protection from others who bothered him-----but he continue to preach and tell the truth.
"- Those who were guided to gentle speech, indeed they were guided onto the path of the Glorious One (The Pilgrimage 22:24)"
yes, Allah will make and guide the believers who work righeous deeds to gentle speech in Allah's unity------to the path of the Praisworthy (Allah).
"- When they hear idle chatter they withdraw from it and say, "We have our deeds and you have yours. Peace be with you. We do not seek the ignorant" (The Story 28:55)"
when the beleivers heard vain discourse regarding themselves or their faith they leave and firmly yet politely say to idle talkers you have your what you work for and we have what we work for and peace to you-----this is intended not as a salutatons for muslims do not say salaamu alaikum to the non-muslims, but as the waiving of further hearing to the vain discourse since it is not good for the belieivers to seek be with the unbeleivers. again, as i said above, if someone wants to be quite, he or she must not read what these people say about the religion, because if he or she reads and knows that what these people are saying is wrong and he or she keeps quite-------and not leave (keep coming to here)-----then that is wrong. |
| FG. | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 02:18 am
Asraar.
Those non-muslims had been harrassing and attacking islam on this net for almost two years. Some of them are new and some of them are veterans in the bussiness.
I suggest you read through the islamic discussion forumss and archives to see the truth. People are tired of being nice. Someday you will come to the same conclusion those brothers and sisters who defend islam came to.
Welcome to the net. There were others like you who posted a lot about tolerance but finally gave up when they saw what those disbelievers were doing in the net. I let you take your time. You came in a time they were exhausted and aren't saying much. I understand your concern and I let you figure it out for yourself. Just don't be hasty on judgements that is all. Things aren't always as you see them.
As for me personally I think I told you to check what our prophet Abraham said:
"60.4 There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless you believe in Allah and Him alone."
That is my stance. Some of these people claim to have the Quran in their possession and read it sometimes, others claim they knew islam before hand and came to the conclusion that it isn't befitting for them. I guess that speaks for itself. The difference between looking for knowledge and answers to questions, and attacking islam is really evident in their writings.
You mentioned "Unto us is our religion" should be the case. Well, Asraar, we have been telling these people to mind their own bussiness if their aim was not to learn anything but to ridicule islam.
Allah says in Suratu Towbah " So long, as they are true to you, Stand you true to them, Verily Allah loves those who fear him(al-muttaquun" at the end of verse seven 9:7
However, if they are not true to us in their dealings with us, we have to treat them the same way they treat us. And if one decides to keep quite he/she will not be blamed for that. Depends on the person. Some of us are mild and others are harsh.
"But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and critisizm then fight the leaders of disbelieve- for surely their oaths are nothing to them- so that they may stop evil". TOWBAH:12.
We can't let people take advantage of islamic tolerance if they are evil. And evil is what I see. |
| Nur | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 03:29 am
Asraar
It is about time you got someone on your side.
Islam is tolerant, it allows man a life time to chose the path they want to take in life.
There is no compulsion in faith as Allah told us in Quran, Truth has appeared clear. Falsehood has no leg to stand on.
But ANON, and othes who responded to your posting have a point............. And you have a point
The difference between those two opposing points of view indeed is the answer TLG requested of:
WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE?
There is a principle in Islam called
Samaaha Tolerance, good conduct with non muslims, benevolence, charity, etc.
Allah says in the Quraan, " wa jaadilhum bil latee hiya axsan" Discuss with them (non muslims)with the best method.
Allah also says" Udcu fee sabiili rabbika bil xikmati wal mowcidatil xasanah" Call others to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good exhortation.
Tolerance was shown by our prophet when in Taif, he was stoned by their sufahaa like the ones that got ANON and TLG Mad on this network.
Tolerance was shown by Omar ibnul Khattab when he entered Jerusalem triamphantly and he ordered muslim not to convert churches to mosques.
Tolerance was shown by our prophet when a bedouin urinated in a mosque, and the companions wanted to punish him, the prophet interfered and calmly explained to the bedouin that the mosque is a place of worship and urine is impure, therefore not befittting its sanctity. The bedouin said:
O Allah, have mercy upon me and Muhammad, and have no mercy on others (companions who wanted to hurt him).
Coming back to what others on this board said ,
There is another principle called Walaa,
which is not the topic for this board. Walaa, is the one of three tenets of TOWXEED AL ULUUHIA, the other two being lawmaking and rituals. Walaa should not be divided, it belongs to Allah alone and so are the other two tenets. Walaa and Baraa is the corner stone of the very existence of Islam and without devoting our Walaa to Allah alone, no one can be a m Muslim, let alone those who we are calling to Islam.
If these two are not confused, I must say, that Sister Asraar has a valid point, and I myself have at times lost my temper and out of desire to defend Islam acted without tolerance.
Saving one person from hellfire is worth all the trouble, and we should know that we are only serving Allah, We should not transgress, further we should be very kind to a potentially hell bound person. The kind words we say may take affect years later to the credit of a tolerant person like Asraar.
After all weren't we all at one point a lost people, and Allah guided us, should not then we be kind?
Jazaakallahu khairan Sister Asraar. |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 09:41 am
TLG
Sister, I do not think you have partial faith. But it seems you exercise so much restrain when dealing with some people who have no respect for Allah or Islam. Except for FG, you are one of the few people that can give these people a taste of their wrong theories about Islam. Please put you God-given abilities to work. Do not let these guy get away with things. Don't be fooled by the "oh TLG you are so intelligent" (which you are)appeals. I'm sure you don't need them to boost your confidence as you have already said before. |
| Asraar | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 05:19 pm
Ma'asha Allah Nur! Thank you for sharing the wisdom.JazakaAlaah Khair.
FG, points well taken. I always hestitate to be judgemental and I know what you are referring to in terms of the backlash against Islam on these pages. |
| TLG | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 06:34 pm
Asalaamu alaikum
Anonymous, i'm really running out of patience now with all these "TLG is this, TLG is that". How I deal with people, I think, is none of anyone's business. If you think i'm doing something wrong, please bring me a proof from the Quran or the Hadiths and I'll change my tactics. As for being "intelligent", I think you are waaaaaaay generous. Whatever I said to the individuals would probably have been said by anyone else if they got to the message before me. So, you and everyone else around here should stop imposing on me characteristics that I DON'T posses.
What should I do? Stop posting? Yaa Rabb!
regrettably,
TLG
ANON and NUR, thanks brothers for your comments to my question. |
| Nur | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 08:20 pm
Dear Sister TLG
Please be do not loose your temper, you are a tower of light, do not let others draw you to say unbefitting things , as I have known you on these boards to be a very reasonable person.
If you must fume, use a different screen name, so TLG screen name will always represent a unique personality that stands for good judgement.
Your brother on the boards |
| Nur | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 08:27 pm
TLG
Another thought, The topic under discussion, was TOLERANCE.
Let us practice on each other before we preach others.
There are two qualities Allah loves in a person according to a hadiith by our Prophet Muhammad SAWS.
1. Hilm ( Tolerance)
2. Anaat ( calmness) |
| optimist. | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 03:31 am
TLG.
Anonymous wasn't judgemental about you. I think you misunderstood what was written by Anony. As I saw it, Anony was telling you to never think that you are partial in faith. Easy lady. |
| Galool | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:51 am
TLG
That is my girl! Stand-up for what you believe in. Let me get this. These guys(and girls) want you to be rude! Simple. To tell people how and what to write is thought, mind and behaviour control! Only in this case it is like a bunch of mangy goats trying to teach a lionness how to hunt!
I suppose I am not helping your case by writing you this message am I? But this should teach you not to get too close to these guys. Example: If you had a "private" e-mail conversation with say, one of the above gang, wouldn't it be too hard later on to disagree with them on any issue? You know it would. Be a Muslim but keep your independence. It is an invaluable commodity as you are already finding out. |
| ANON | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 12:34 pm
are these postings ( below) by me-------*mind and behavior control* messages:
"i beleive muslims should be nice and courteous, but not weak-spirited and timid-hearted when they see people making lies and promoting disblief on discussioin groups." ;-)
"there is nothing wrong to be nice towards those who are nice to you and there is nothing wrong to be harsh (use roughness) towards those
who are not nice to you."? ;-)
"what is this much dreaded and much-abhorred "intolerance" except the natural result of fullness of faith? is something wrong striving hard against the infidels and the hypocrites with words and arguments?" ;-) |
| ANON | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 12:37 pm
what about this---------*mind and behavior control* message:
"first, in debates, you can avoid getting emotional where it will lead you to do bad things--like resorting to insult. it is better to be calm and collected." ;-) |
| TLG | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 06:12 pm
Asalaamu alaikum,
Nur, Jazakallahu khairan bro for the naseeha. I rely on people like you to keep me incheck.
Optimist, lol...OK, i'll be easy in the future.I just hate being told what to do by humans especially if it has no basis in Quran or Sunnah.
Galool, i'm sure your advice is well intentioned but I remember someone telling me at one point they "love uniting people, not deviding them"... so i hope my suspicion is baseless. As for mind and behavior control, even my parents failed in that. I don't know how a few people that I don't even know can succeed in it. I operate on the principle of " NO OBEDIENCE TO THE CREATED IN DISOBEDIENCE TO THE CREATOR".
ANON, no worries brother. Your advice was well taken. Besides, what you said was true regardless of it being interpreted as mind control or not.
Anonymous, I apologise if I acted rude or something. May be i read too much into your message. |
| FG. | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 02:57 am
Galool.
Independence of thought and decisions are promoted heavily in islam. You can agree with someone and disagree based on an issue's rightness or wrongness. Do you know "TACASSUB"?. Supporting an idea based not on Daliil(proof) but on other things. It is forbidden in islam. Open mindedness is part of the religion. That is why people are held accountable for what they do. Have you seen in the Quran those who went to hell and wanted to blame their leaders and those who misguided them?. They were told to deal with it because they were free to decide what was good for them. TLG gave you another example.
The e-mail tactic scare was really funny. Hope TLG doesn't take that seriously. |
| Aro | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 06:04 am
Salaams,
I could not read all the posts but will say a bit about the issue.
I think what the brothers and sisters on this frum are doing are fine. They have to responde whenever someone says something that is not true about Islam. Yes, islam does not need defence but to spread the knowlegde of Islam is a one fundamental principle in Islam. I also think it is a test for our faith and I thin it comes naturally.
If the non-muslims think there are some of us who are hursh on them I am afraid I have to saystrong words are sometimes necessary. And I also think this is where Islam is different from Christianity which says '' do not resist the wicked, and if one slaps you on your cheek, turn to him the other,'' |
| Anonymous | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 08:00 am
TLG
Sorry Sis. I think you misunderstood what I meant. |
| TLG | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 08:57 am
Asalaamu alaikum,
Anonymous, I really feel guilty now. Please forgive me. I guess I was stressed when I wrote that message (for reasons not related to the forums).
your sister in Islam.
FG, no worries "cheif beardo" (I hope you don't terribly mind this. "the galool" terminology is becoming contagious). I didn't take that "e-mail scare" thing seriously. |
| Idea | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 03:47 pm
lol...my 99% support is in the way <smile> |
| TLG | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 08:20 pm
Idea, that is a drastic jump! From 1% to 99%! Easy on the instigation though :-) |
| FG. | Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 09:20 pm
Idea.
True, easy on the instigation. Actually no instigation. Sis, you are very generous and trigger happy.
TLG.
No worries sis, I haven't been myself lately. Too much argument made me look like irreconcilable I think. I can take few jokes but not many. You shouldn't respect me in terms of knowledge or piety for I have neither if your beardo-chief was meant for that. |
| Idea | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 12:20 am
TLG,
I am practising what my professors preach at school! If we don't disagree with what we previosuly said...girl our reputation will be on risk!!! lol
FG,
"trigger happy"hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i will let you go big brother :-) |
| FG. | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 01:34 am
Idea:
Sorry sis, I wasn't conservative about my comment. Didn't mean to hurt you. Your proffessors, what do they teach?. Care to share the trick?. Your reputations will be fine as long as people give you the benefit of the doubt. |
| Idea | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 01:58 am
lol @ FG,
Brother, I am sorry. I once accused you of choosing the wrong words, guess what: I was not looking enough at myself. Well, as you may know: economists are infamous for agreeing to disagree. I have been listening to their crab for the last six years...so eventually that have influenced me. As TLG once said, economics has messed up your mind! You see my brother, economists see real life a special case :-)
And, You haven't said anything that HURTS peoples' feelings don't feel sorry. May Allah protect you,amiin. |
| Galool | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 04:19 pm
TLG
I am not here to divide people, but I take it upon myself to offer whatever protection I can to my most favourite virtual niece, and that includes sheltering her from the northerly winds of theocratic totalitarianism and the cold deadly embrace of Beardo mind-control(just joking)
I don't remember saying "Chief Beardo" but thanks for the compliment anyway.
FG
You remind of a kazakhstani apparatchik in the former USSR. He would have said exactly the same thing about Marxism. Interesting how these dogmatic believes claim to to have what they most lack. |
| TLG | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 04:38 pm
While FG is in that mood of taking a few jokes, let me instigate a few things. Idea, isn't that expresson (trigger-happy) used for the Zionist soldiers? I wonder what FG is implying?
Galool
Is the protection in the hopes that I might reciprocate it when the beardos start hunting you down in Somalia?lol. |
| FG. | Friday, January 12, 2001 - 05:10 pm
Galool.
Some love between you and those kazakhstani apparatchik of yours. They always appear in your anologies. Mind telling me you were sent to russia by the former som gov and got lost in the GULAC?.
TLG.
Sis, one of the things I lack is how to make jokes. Believe me, I wrote something and deleted several times. Couldn't come up with any. Idea once promised to fix that but somehow changed her mind. Trigger happy stuff was meant for the hasty instigation of Idea. You were wiser in not buying into it by not knowing what FG might do. The ever Unpredictable. |
| Idea | Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 07:47 am
Galool,
Despite the terrible mood i have today, you made me smile. I can't believe my eyes :-)
TLG,
I think all this, is because of the BRILLIANT idea a friend of mine said...n i jumped to making wild assumptions about ppl. Girl, next time remind me to do cost-benefit analysis and estimate exactly the potential trade-offs :-)
FG,
I didn't forget. I am looking for a tutor for you and me. Maybe someone like a mix of FG, ANON,Common,TLG, Arawello, New Deal and don't let me forget the irony of Galool. When i find the perfect tutor...i will let you know :-) |
| TLG | Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 07:56 pm
FG, you are cool the way you are. No worries bro. Besides, too many jokes cause too much laughter which hardens the heart, so u are lucky that u won't be part of an evil act such as that. Some of us have jahiliyah habits that are hard to break. Make dua for us.
Now, I dea is gonna laugh at the use of the word jahiliyah.
Idea, sis, so now i'm the cause of the problem? I told you I can set the record straight but u won't let me do it. Your choice.
BTW, talking about economics, I always wanted to telll u this, but somehow I always forget. So, let me say it while it is on my mind. I hope u won't kill me for saying this in public :-) But I'm your lil sis, and i'm adorable so u can't be mad at me :-)
I have a family member that has PhD in economics. They are at your side of the border too. If they didn't have some Galoolian characteristics, I would have done a lil sum'n Sum'n. So do u think u can work on them?
Oh oh, now u will definitely wring my neck.
Me is out. Peace. |
| Idea | Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 12:20 pm
TLG,
Yes, you are right. I will never get mad at you. You are my adorable baby sister :-) |
