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Farax

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Is the Bible Gods word?

WAA MAYA!

WAXAAN JECLAAN LAHAA IN AAN ARRINTAAN KU FALANQEYNO HALKAAN SI EY DAD BADAN UGA FAA`IIDEYSTAAN OO AY UGA HELAAN XUJOOYIN MARKA EY LAKULMAAN (JEHOVAH`S WITHNESSES)

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Waryaa

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Salama....

Indeed it is a great misdeed to say that. Farax as you already said waa maya..is good but this would better than "Not a single contemporary phrase in that myth book is The Almighty's words" They changed what they didn't intrigue or desire, they declined to have its enamate truth words as Nebi Ciise (c.w) did.

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Saafi

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YOU SHOULD WATCH A VIDEO TAPE BY AHMED DIIDAAT.ITS CALLED"IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD" HE REALLY TAKES IT APART AND EXPLAINES IT WELL. THER IS ALSO ONE IN WHICH HE DEBATES WITH A PRIEST. CHECK IT OUT IT MAY HELP.

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ABDIKARIM

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TO FARAX

THE ANWSER IS NO,,,,,,,,,, IT IS MAN MADE BOOK. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOD.

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Anonymous

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It's totally God's word. I read it and became a Christian. People need to think for themselves, not let tradition or Ahmed Deedat do it for them.

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Caraweelo

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Poor Anonymous- poor soul!
How can the bible- written by men- (around 10- 100 AD) by men who were not the DISCIPLES, a century after Jesus, be God's words. The true scholars of the bible know it for what it is. Which version of the bible did you read? King James version- most likely. Do you know that 300 other gospels were destroyed by the leaders of the church? Do you know that the message of the trinity- the foundation for christianity- was introduced 3 Centuries after Jesus? Even the christains can not agree which chapters were real and which were unreliable. Read for yourself, research for yourself, Learn. Do not blindly follow what you understand not. Read the original Hebrew texts. have you heard of the "Dead sea scrolls"? READ READ READ! I am disgusted by your ignorance and lack of knowledge. Yes! you can be a somali- not related to what your faith is- but to close your eyes, after God has given you sight. To follow the lost when you know better. Have you ever read the Quran for yourself? Have you ever contemplated the Majesty of your Creator when you are sitting quitely by yourself. Have you ever studied astronomy and physics- tried to understand the wonder and intricacies of this incredible universe? Read the Quaran, read the bible- compare them for how they handle the issue of the universe. See which one makes you "hear the Creator", the Glorious One Allah, which one captures his Majesty. How can you attribute partners to Him? How can you call a man God? How can you accept God had a son? Think about yourself- here you are with your computer writing a message- you created the message- do you want to "become" the message? Do you want to "father" a message? Why then do you belittle the Creator of the universe and everything that is in it? How can you bring Him down to our level? God decides what will be and it becomes. God decided that Jesus was to bring mankind a message- that he was to perform miracles- and so it was. Allah decrees and it becomes as He wills. End of story. Remember what the first commandment says- ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS TO GOD!!! Guess where that is from? Not only the Quran, but the BIBLE- and the TORAH- How then can you break that by accepting others as god? 3? why not 1000000? What is the difference. They tell you he died for your sins- does that mean that others who lived before Jesus showed up died sinners? Did Moses die a sinner- rememeber he brought the Torah- what you call the Old Testement? Is Adam a sinner and Abraham? What a way to give up responsibility! No one can forgive you your sins other than God- no one can erase your trangressions- rememeber- "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?" Why even ask for forgiveness if you are guarenteed heaven by the mere fact of accepting jesus as a saviour? The stuff does not add up. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Think- God gave you a mind- use it- Question! Read! The truth never stays hidden for long.
and pray for guidance- the guidance to the path to your Lord- the only Lord- your creator.

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Waryaa

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Salama....(Peace)

Simple: It is NOT even "a" word from God.

They misinterpreted.
They misplaced.
They misguided.
They amended.
They added their conceptions.
They added their imaginations.
They added what they will.
They added their freewill.
They added artificial words.
They added inappropriate tales.
They added their wish as a worthly life.
They added unbeknowest events.
They......They....They....in all did what they want it be like.

That is it: No more!!

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MIHARBI

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SLM

TO THE KAFIR

SPEAK WITH PROOF.. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE IS GODS WORD...

PLEASE PROOF IT...

I AM LOOKING FORD TO SEE YOUR PROOF...

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

JAZAKALAH ARAWEELA ONE MORE TIME..

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum ALL!

Annonymous,


HA! The Bible is the word of GOD???????? I need to laugh! OK, lets assume it's God's word---WHO WROTE IT???? AND, why, when you read the Bible...SO MANY different people are talking?????

READ the Koran...it does NOT contain ONE word where Muhammad(pbuh) or ANY other person but Gabriel and God are speaking.


The Bible is book that EVEN its members do not think to be all "word of God"---you can read "WHAT IS A JEW" and "WHO WROTE MY BIBLE"...Both of these books will tell you...how wicked the People of Israel were...and how they MESSED-UP every little good thing that God given them.


If the GOSPEL is so Godly word...why does its members all pagan??? Worshipping idols and celebrating the gods` days(Christmass, sunday, and Easter Bunny)???? You said "people should think"---YES, they should...start with yourself!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad! *>.<*

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MAD MAC

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I just can't resist this one. Consider this possibility: The Bible was inspired by God but written by men. The Torah was inspired by God but written by men. The Koran was inspired by God but written by men. And the Book of Mormon was inspired by God but written by men. If you look at the basic themes and get away from the details you will see commonality in all of these books. Taken from that perspective someone could be both Christian and Muslim and Jewish while accpeting and rejecting specifics of each book. Does it have to be all or nothing? Isn't it possible that each contains elements of truth and each contains mis-interpretation? Everyone knows in their heart when they're doing something that's wrong. You don't need guidance from a religious book to tell you. IF it feels wrong in your gut it probably is. And if it doesn't then it probably isn't.

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MAXAMED HUSSEN

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mad mac,

the koran was created by god and gave to angel of gabriel to passed over to prophet muhamed scw and written by one of kulafaa u raashidiin exactly as is it not by his desires as it happen to the bible as well as torah that is differences! and the issue here is the bible gods word at this moment NO! but interms of real gosbel YES!

if i made a mistake about this issue i beg forgivness to allah swt.

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bashir abdi.

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I think religion is not about one's desires and thinking. If that was the case, Allah would not have sent messenger after another but would let human beings figure out for themselves. As for believing in the books of god, That is exactly what Islam teaches people to believe in. It all unites in one backage for all to believe in and negated all that was remained from the previous religions since they became diluted with and deleted from. Any honest reader of the QURAN can discern the difference whether a man's own ideas is included in the QURAN or not. And if any man contributed to the quran like many men did to the bible, we would have found loopholes and many contradicting orders in it. May be MAD MAC knows it and will tell us about them.

Even as we speak people write the quran. Does that mean they put their own ideas down as a quran?. Hell no. So there is nothing wrong with writing the words of god. But the proplem arises when people start inserting their desires as MAD MAC wished to have his own unique way of beliefs. You can have your cake but can't it lol. There is no "my way" in beliefs.

May be MAD MAC can take advantage of this verse from the QURAN "Qur'an 3:84-85:"Say (O Muhammad): "We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and in (Books) given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).".

There goes Mr.MAC your responce I assume. As a quote from the bible, I would expect you to contribute if it has any JUST views about other religions becuase THE MEN WHO WROTE IT ACCURSED GENTILES and said they are the CHILDREN OF GOD.

Quran "And they said(jews&christians) none will enter the paradise except JEWS AND CHRISTIANS". This is many of the fundamental differences Islam has with other man made religions. May be MAD MAC is a late NOTICER of the facts. He must have been away to another galaxy only to think now what is up with all these religions. Mad Mac, If you are an EITHEIST fine with me, I have an idea for you after you tell me okey!.

Little knowledge of anything hurts. Mind boggling individuals I say.

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mel. abraham

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haaa BIBLE ku waa hadalkii ilaahey, balse qof bani'aadam ah ayaa qorey sida quraanka oo kale, waayo quraankaba waxaa la qorey waqtigii CUSMAAN BINU CAFAAN, Markaa way dhici kar taa in lays waydiiyo oo aniguba waxaan iswaydiiyaa quraan ku hadalkii ilaahey ma yahay laakiin ma odhankaro maya balse waxaaan kuu hubaa inuu bible ku yahay hadalkii ilaahey oo ay meelaha qaarkood la raaciyo axaadiis ay yidhaahdeen nimankii saalixiinta ahaa ee waqtigaa jirey sida muslinkuba uleeyahay xadiis, iyo hadaldii ay yidhaahdeen culimadu,

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ahmad

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asalama alaykum muslims,

mac,

you are right -- they all agree in the same theme. that is not the point. the point is -- while the qur`an remains only god's word -- the bible is the sayings of the prophets, saints, etc -- and even includes letters to people. the qur`an -- only contains god's word. unless he's quoted, muhammad does not speak at once alone. and he was the man who brought the qur`an. only god speaks -- through gabriel...to which muhammad only written down by his scribe(and yes, he could write...he was a business man -- who travelled between countries. it is only natural that he would).

the bible contains god's word -- both the tanakh(taurat) and the gospel(injiil)...which the qur`an testifies to. however, in the same token, god testifies that these works are tampered with. and, coicidently, so do the members of these books. book christian and jewish scholars -- who especialize in the bible...can tell you that it is not all 'god's word' -- see 'what is a jew' and 'who wrote my bible' also -- see 'christianity betrayed' all these, written by scholars who thought into it more than the average follower -- came to aknowledge what the qur`an said 1400 years ago. it all began with that rabbi Ezra -- who believed the first five books of the tanakh...could not have been moses' writtings. he was treated as a heretic. however, he vowed that his nation would accept this in the future -- and now they have. literally, 80% of jews do not believe the bible to be god's word to the letter.


peace - ahmad

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MAD MAC

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Abowe
What about the book of Mormon? Joseph Smith wrote an etensive book and had witnesses to the tablets which supposedly were delivered by an Angel. Why have there been no prophets since Mohamed? Because we have everything we need now with the Qu'ran? You would think with God would send us updates as the world evolves. For instance, since there was no birth control at the time of Muhamed it's not addressed in the Qu'ran. Or other medical and scientific developments. I mean, some Moslems say photography is un-Islamic. So why not an update? Clearly there are questinos that are not answered because Islamic scholars disagree on some points. And I haven't even begun to talk about the Shiia branch, which interprets things significantly different than the Sunni branch.

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huriwaa

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"Verily! this Qur'an guides unto that which is straightest, and gives glad tidings unto the believers who do good works that theirs will be a magnificent reward."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Isra(17):

The lands surrounding the Arabian peninsula:

In the sixth century AD, at the time of the birth of Muhammad (pbuh), the Arabian Peninsula was surrounded by a number of great empires. These empires were in a state of constant conflict, waging wars and claiming territories. The boarders of nations were constantly being redrawn, and at times whole nations would crumble under the advancing forces of a more vicious and powerful neighbor. However, in an age when the people of all of these nations had become accustomed to countless rulers, conquerors, philosophies, and religions, throughout all of this, Allah Almighty saw fit to protect the Arabian peninsula from these forces and allow it's inhabitants to roam free, with great pride in their freedom, never bowing to man-gods or rulers who claimed to be "incarnations" of mythological gods such as had become the fate of the Persians, the Romans, the Hindus, and many other nations surrounding them. Although steeped in paganism and idol worship, theirs was a simplistic and very basic sort of paganism as compared to the infinitely more complex and multifaceted paganism of the multi-cultured nations surrounding them, their religious philosophies, and their untold rituals.

The situation the Roman empire has been dealt with in some detail in previous chapters, so it will only be dealt with very briefly here (see chapters 1-3).

The Roman empire
The situation the Roman empire was far from enviable. The Byzantine Empire (the eastern part of the later Roman Empire), became a land of crippling taxation and rampant bribery. The citizens had become so frustrated with their miserable condition that civil unrest and rioting became commonplace. In the year 532C.E., during the rule of Justin I, only one single such riot resulted in the death of over thirty thousand citizens in the capital of Costantinople.

During this period, the amassing of material wealth and money by any means possible became a virtual obsession. The religious elite had become severely intolerant of unconformance to their beliefs and this resulted in massive bloodshed and campaigns of persecution. The rulers immersed themselves in all manner of luxury and indulgence, caring little what the cost of their entertainment might happen to be upon the citizens. Recreation and amusement consisted of blood sports of the utmost viciousness. Up to 80,000 people at a time would attend these events in huge coliseums in order to amuse themselves watching battles to the death at times between men and men, or at others between men and lions or other man-eating carnivores.

Egypt supplied both the grain that fed Rome and much of the government's revenue. The empire sucked this lush and fertile farm land dry under crippling taxation, tyrannical rule, and religious persecution in order to maintain the extravagant lifestyles of the elite ruling class. This sad state of affairs was no better in Syria which was ruled with an iron fist resulting in taxation so severs that the citizens found no recourse but to sell their children into slavery in order to pay their taxes.

Map 1 Middle-eastern region during sixth century C.E.
The Iranian empire
Zoroastrianism was the official religion of the Sassanian empire during this period as it had been the faith of the Persian kings since it was founded in the seventh century BC by Zoroaster (or Zarathusthra). In ancient Iran, two groups of gods were worshipped, the Ahuras and the Daevas. The message of Zoroaster was that Ahura Mazda, the Wise Lord of light, was the sole creator and lord of the world and that the worship of the Daevas was the worship of darkness and evil. Other ancient mythological gods were later revived throughout this land, the most noteworthy of them being Mithra (associated with the sun), and Anahita (associated with water and fertility) in addition to Ahura Mazda and his evil adversary Ahriman. The sacred literature of Zoroastrianism is found in the Avesta, only a small portion of which remains today.

The followers of this religion were required to worship the sun four times a day in addition to the worship of the moon, fire and water. A complex collection of rituals and practices were associated with these gods. This religion was modified later by such as Mani (Manes), c.216-c.276 who called for monasticism and celibacy, and Mazdak (fifth century AD), who called for a socialistic group ownership of both money and women. People would enter into one another's homes, lay claim to their property and wealth and take liberties with their women. Unemployment and disenchantment prevailed, and the citizens were utilized by their rulers as cheap fodder for their armies. In their desperate search for a meaning for their pitiful existence these citizens experimented with every conceivable philosophy from Eicureanism to monasticism and everything in-between. All of this eventually lead to the development of vast rifts between the different levels of this society.

During this period, bandits would sack the palaces of the rich, pillage and loot them and lay claim to the women. These new land owner's ignorance in matters of farming eventually lead to the ruin of the farm land. So disenchanted did the people become with the tyranny and abuse of their rulers that it later lead to a popular revolt by the farmers.

The rulers of this empire ascended the throne of their fathers through inheritance, ruling with an iron hand, crippling taxation, and the theory that this ruler was a god, the descendant of gods. This ruler would surround himself with all manner of rare and precious possessions including gold, rare animals, precious jewelry, fine clothing, exquisite furniture, imperial palaces, endless slaves, and delicate cuisine. Their life was indeed the stuff that fairytales were made of, and it has been recorded that when this regime finally fell before the Islamic empire, their ruler Yazdegird III (r. 632-51) fled his land with one thousand cooks, one thousand musicians, one thousand trainers for his tigers, one thousand hawk trainers, and other members of his royal staff, all the while considering himself to be in a very miserable and pitiful state of affairs.

India
In ancient times, this land had been the birthplace of many great advances in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, philosophy, and many other disciplines. However, over the centuries, a steady decline in moral values and religious knowledge eventually lead in the sixth century C.E. to what many historians consider to be it's lowest state of decline.

During this period nakedness became commonplace even in the temples. Women became public property and changed hands through gambling. If a woman's husband were to die her existence would lose all meaning and remarriage was prohibited for her for the rest of her existence. Higher levels of society developed the ritual of "Seti" which required a widow of a nobleman to burn herself to death as a sign of faithfulness to her deceased husband.

The Aryan invaders and Brahmans developed a four-level classification for society called the Caste system, it consisted of:

1) The religious elite, or priests, called the "Brahmins". They were considered superior to all others and sinless.
2) The Ksatriyas, or warriors and rulers;
3) The Vaisyas, or merchants and farmers;
4) The Sudras, or peasants and laborers.

There was also a fifth class called "Panchamas", or Untouchables. They include those whose occupations require them to handle unclean objects. It is speculated that the Untouchables were originally assigned such lowly tasks because of their non-Aryan origins. The law stated that if an untouchable stretched out his hand or his stick against a Brahman then his hand would be chopped off. And if he kicked a Brahman then his leg would be severed. And if an Untouchable claimed to teach a Brahman then he would be made to drink boiling oil. Under their law the punishment for the killing of an untouchable was equal to that of the killing of a frog, a crow, an owl, a cat, or a dog. The Untouchables were also forced to live outside the city.

The Sudras were considered to have been created from the feet of the creator of the heavens and their purpose in life was to serve the higher classes. They were not allowed to own money, sit with a Brahman, touch him with their hand, or read the sacred books.

The original religion of India was Hinduism. However, with time a more general state religion was created incorporating Buddhism and other faiths as well as Hinduism. So deeply engrained into this society did polytheism become that it is recorded that by the sixth century C.E. the inhabitants of this land had adopted over 330 million gods (L.S.S. O'Malley, Popular Hinduism, the Religion of the Masses, Cambridge, 1935, pp. 6-7). During this era, anything grand, or anything wonderful, or anything useful was worshipped as a god.


The Arabian Peninsula
The Arabs during this century has sunk to a very low state. They became obsessed with intoxicants, gambling, and idol worship. Girls became such a disgraceful commodity among them that they would bury their infant girls alive for fear of disgrace.
Women in this society became a commodity that was inherited by her husband's heirs just as they would inherit his money or livestock. Men could marry an unlimited number of women, and would sometimes kill their own children if they feared they would cause them poverty. The men would further designate specific foods that were for their personal consumption and prohibited upon their wives or children.
Slavery and treachery were rampant throughout the land. Tribal feudalism became commonplace, and great battles would be waged over the outcome of a horse race or other trivial matters. Over the centuries, the house that Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael had built in Makkah (the Kaaba) was taken by these people as home for their idols and their pagan worship. By the time Muhammad (pbuh) came, 360 idols had been fashioned and placed inside and around the Kaaba, and the surrounding tribes had distorted the pilgrimage first instituted by prophet Abraham into a pagan ritual of running naked around these idols while whistling and clapping. The pagans of Arabia continued to believe in God, however, they regarded Him as the "supreme" god and felt it necessary to set up "intermediary" gods (idols) who would "intercede" with God/Allah for them.


http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/

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MAD MAC

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Huriwaa
You never answered the original question dude. Interesting peice of history though. I thought the Kabba was a rock, not the house of Abraham.
How come unbelievers can not go to Mecca and Medina?

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huriwaa

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MAD MAC,

What original question? do you mean the question of "Is the Bible Gods word?" I do not know, but I know that God's words do not contradict.

The history you learned (that Kabba was a rock) is false.

If you (as you said) believe Allah is one and Mohammad as His messenger you can enter Makkah and Madina. Just tell the people at the gate of enters that you also a Muslim and when they tell you to recite the KALIMA (THE SHAHAADA) say ASH-HADO-AN-LAA-ILAA-HA-ILA-LAAHO-WA-ASH-HADO-ANNA-MOHAMADAN-ABD-DAHO-WA-RASOOLAHO.

"Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamîn (the mankind and jinns). In it are manifest signs (for example), the Maqâm (place) of Ibrâhim (Abraham); whosoever enters it, he attains security. And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka'bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allâh, those who can afford the expenses (for one's conveyance, provision and residence); and whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah), then he is a disbeliever of Allâh], then Allâh stands not in need of any of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns)
(Al-Qur'an 3:96-97 )

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Ansaari

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- http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/bible/bible-speak.html
(Let The Bible Speak)

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/BaltoMuslims/biblecontraintro.html
(101 Clear Contradictions In The Bible)

http://www.renaissance.com.pk/jagrefl98.html
(Corruption in the Bible: The Muslim Stance)

:)

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MAD MAC

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Huriwaa
I guess you'd have to read it in the original to get from that "If you are not a believer you can not enter the cities of Mekkah and Medina." I was kind of wondering about that.
But the problem, you see, is that in the Islamic view believing in God and believing that Mohamed was his prophet isn't enough. I have to believe that the Qur'an itself is divine. And I don't believe that. So I don't think that I qualify (Maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe believing what I just said is enough).
My first question was reference the book of Mormon. You definately need to read it. You will find it very interesting. I suspect you won't buy into it since the mormons are Christians but I know there are parts of it you will agree with. The Book of Mormon was supposedly transcribed from plates brought down by the Angel Moroni. The prophet who transcribed them was an individual named Joseph Smith. This all occured in the late 1820s and early 1830s. It is very interesting and it embraces some Islamic thought as well as some original thought. Recommend you at least check it out. Because as I said, there's no reason to believe that God suddenly stopped sending us prophets - maybe we just aren't always getting the message.

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huriwaa

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MAD MAC,

Since I do not have the original, I do not have to search it and read it, because according to the Quran, the original is corrupted and that is why Allah sent an uncorrectable book( the Quran) along with Mohamed. So, by just reading the Quran, I get all the important themes in the previous books of Allah. The Quran confirms the original books before they where corrupted.

If the book of Mormons does not recogize Allah's Oneness, his last prophet (Mohamed) and His Book (the Quran), the Mormons Book can not be interesting to my belief.


MAD MAG, the problem you have with the Islamic view is that to believe in God and to believe that Mohamed was/is His prophet isn't enough, because until you also believe the Book (the QURAN) that God sent with Mohamed, you disbelieve Him (Allah), Him messenger Mohamed (who recited and preached the Quran (which is the Word of Allah). So, If you are not a believer of the the book (the QURAN), you can not enter therer, because "whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies the Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) and the Book of Allah (the QURAN), he is a disbeliever of Allâh], then Allâh stands not in need of any of the mankind and jinns) (Al-Qur'an 3:96-97 ). In other word, if you disbelieve Allah's Book, He does not need you in His House. When you believe His book, he will let you enter His house( Makkah) and the BIG HOUSE (Paradise)---insha-Allah, but Allah told us in the Quran that the disbelievers will not enter there, like it or not.

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khatarsani

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i would like to know if this 'mad mac' is somali or not. if he is somali waxaan dhihi lahaa xaarka iyo kaadida isku qoosho markaas ka dharag.

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MAD MAC

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Khatarsani
I am not Somali saahib. I do not speak much Somali and unfortunately did not understand what you wrote.

Huriwaa
Dude, I'm not trying to change your beliefs, but you have closed your mind to everything that is vaguely religious and not Islamic. I could never do that. So I will never go to Mekkah or Medina. You pray to your God and I'll pray to mine and let's hope we're both right.

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huriwaa

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MAD MAC,

I did not say that you were trying to change my beliefs. I know you can not change it.

Yes, I have closed my mind to everything that is vaguely religious and not Islamic, especailly if they try to convince me that the QURAN IS INCORRECT without prove. So LAKUM DIINUKUM WALIYADIIN and you and I can not be both right as long as you believe that the QURAN IS INCORRECT.

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mel.abraham

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ooh my god hurriwaa is a fundamentalist, he is what they call mitid seef la bood.
don't get me wrong huriwaa I realy enjoy your writting, love pudy

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huriwaa

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mel.abraham,

If LAKUM DIINUKUM WALIYADIIN makes me a fundamentalist, that is what I'm.

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ms

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war ragyahaw ninkan mad mac ah bal ii faahfaahiya wuxuu ku doodayo iyo wuxuu yahay ma fahmine.
MR.mal
i answered 1 of your ques. so visit who read the .......
and i will answer the other if ALLAH says.
good luck.

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Ansaari

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Waa ayaan daro in "fundamentalist" la isku caayo.

Fadlan aqri maqaalka la yiraahd ("Fundamentalist" muxuu yahay????) halkaas ayaad macnihiisa ka helaysaa. Maqaalkan waxaad ka heli kartaa (under the section Islam2000, raadina magaca cinwaankan kore)

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MAD MAC

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Huriwaa
Of course we can both be right. It's not a question of absolutes. Course the Qur'an preaches that it is, so from your perspective we can not both be correct. But mine, which is not absolute and is not as dogmatic yours, allows for multiple paths to the same place. I don't expect you to understand this or agree with it. It would never occur to you that something could be correct and incorrect at the same time.

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bashir abdi.

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Mad Mac.

What you don't understand is that you want people take your word against Allah's word. The quran is beyond doubt the Word of Allah and yours of course is yours and they don't equal to us. I told you before, Islam is not a dogma that you like it to be but a reasonable book that dictates the good and the bad. If you follow one, you left the other. Not everything works in islam only the correct and the righteous. It is good versus evil. Islam teaches to reject evil and accept only that which is good. There is no compromise in Islam. The best survives.


"5.100 Say: "Not equal are things that are bad and things that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle you; so fear Allah, O you that understand; that (so) you may prosper."


So muslims are supposed to accept and take only that which is good. If that makes them seem dogmatic, there is no proplem it is worth.

"32.18 Is then the man who believes no better than the man who is rebellious and wicked? Not equal are they. "

"35.8 Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul be vested in regret for them: for Allah knows well all that they do!"

Mad MAc Evil has beautified your deeds and disbelieve for you. That is why you are very consistent in your message of telling others they are dogmatic and that you are open minded brainiac who is better than everybody else.

"40.58 Not equal are the blind and those who (clearly) see: nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and those who do evil. Little do you learn by admonition!"

Your constant preaching of open mindedness is really misplaced because in matters of believe and disbelieve there is no compromise but accepting the truth. We don't mind if someone tells us exactly what is wrong that we believe in and brings forth the correct version of believe he wants us to take in place of ours, we are here to examine the claims. But just a mere talk holds no grounds for us and we reject it. We are sincere in our message to those who have the wrong ideas about GOD and attribute him to things that Allah is clean from. However, we can't reach a compromise with them that we praise and keep quite about their mistakes and lies. That is hypocritic in islam and hiding the truth If that is why you think Islam is dogma. A dogma doesn't teach people to examine the truth but compells them to accept everything without a clear conscience. Islam is the opposite of that. It teaches good and prohibits evil. If one doesn't accept that, it is up to him but Islam told the results. That is only fair. Just like the street signs, What are they for?. To give directions and they are not called dogmatic.

This is just getting to my nerves.

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bashir abdi.

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Mel Abraham.

Gaalnimada iney wax xun tahay waxaad ka ogaataa hadalkaaga iyo sidaad gaalka kalee cad isu shabahdaan. Marka ogoow in dhiigga iyo wada dhalashada ay ka muhiimsan tahay caqiidada iyo qofka waxa uu rumeysan yahay. Ninkan gaalka ah maad innaga dhex bixi kartaa adiga?. Mise gaalnimadaad ka raaceysaa oo soomaali baan ahay waxaa kaala weyn gaalnimada?. Asal raacnimadu waannu ku faannaa innaga oo waxaan ku kala ogaannaa muslin beenaadka wuxuu doono iska qasta iyo kan ay dhabta ka tahay wuxuu aaminsan yahay ee sidaa ula soco.

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huriwaa

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MAD MAC,

We can NOT both be right if you believe that the Quran is incorrect and I believe that the Quran is correct. I'm glad, though that the Qur'an does not preach your notion that says two conflicting things can be right or wrong at the same time, because that would be illogical. In Islam, we have what is called HAQ Vs BADIL.

Two conflicting things that always go head and head every time---TRUTH(right) Vs FALSE(wrong). The struggle between the Truth(Al-Haqq) and Falsehood (Al-Badil) in life is real. Never will the Haqq tolerate the Badil, nor will the Badil ever accept the Haqq. The struggle is continuous and ever-lasting and may take various forms, ranging from intellectual to physical or political.

As the system of Allah (swt) mandates, the struggle and confrontation must continue. Therefore, the propagation of Kufr ideas to us must continue (FROM MAD MAC) and the propagation of Islamic ideas to him must continue.

The QURAN has many names and one of it's names is this: THE CRITERION (AL'FURQAAN) between HAQ and BADIL.

"Do you believe in a part of the Book and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except humiliation in this life, and on the Day of Resurrection, they will be consigned to the most grievous torment !"--Al-Baqarah. "And if Haqq had been in accordance with their desires, verily, the heavens and earth, and whosoever is within them, would have been corrupted."-Al-Mu'minun:71. "And whosoever is removed from Hell-Fire and placed in
Jannah, he will have succeeded."-Al-Imran:185

Throughout history, nations with different thoughts and ideas have been in constant struggle with one another, and every system was removed through a process of struggle between haq and badil.

HAQ can never be BADIL and BADIL can never be HAQ; thus, HAQ AND BADIL can not be both RIGHT.

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MAD MAC

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Bashir
Let's take a look at what you quote in 40:58. That says that People who are not Moslems are lesser people. How foolish. Esspecially when you consider that most Islamic countries now are barely beyond being beggar states. I guess they only hold moral superiority. No man is better than another because of his religion. When you guys say •••• like that you have to expect that the State is going to react to defend itself. Moslems preaching that they are superior is begging for trouble if it becomes state policy. Your other quote was also most insightful "there's no compromise in Islam." Well, there's the only thing that MACISTS won't compromise on and that is their willingness to compromise.

Huriwaa, You talk about an evil doer as if he were a stranger amongst you. But I say you can not seperate the just from the unjust, the righteous from the wicked, for they are bound together as black and white thread woven into one cloth. And when the thread breaks, the weaver shall exmine the whole fabric and the loom also. The whitehanded is not innocent of the deeds of the felon, for he can not do evil without the hidden will of you all. For you who would want to lash the adulterous wife, let him weigh the heart of her husband with scales and measurements.
KB

The message that counts in the Qur'an is that Allah is merciful. It's the ONLY message that counts. I haven't finished the book, but the more I read the more I'm convinced. You can quote the night away, but I trust my instincts and the answers to my prayers more than quotations written by someone I never met 1400 years ago.

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huriwaa

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huriwaa

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MAC MAC,
I talk about the evil doer not being equal to the good doer in the site of Allah. Allah can and knows the difference between a good and bad.

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huriwaa

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In one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) we are told that "God is more loving and kinder than a mother to her dear child." But God is also Just. Hence evildoers and disbelievers must have their share of punishment and the virtuous, His bounties and favors. Actually God's attribute of Mercy has full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering throughout their lives for Allah's sake and people oppressing and exploiting other people all their lives should not receive similar treatment from their Lord. Expecting similar treatment for them will amount to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the Hereafter and thereby negating all the incentives for a moral and virtuous life in this world.

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huriwaa

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"No doubt, ALLAH does not love the intemperate (wasteful)" (7:31)

By "intemperate" (wasteful) in this sign is not only the material spender but those "who are intemperate toward their own souls," "who waste their own souls" are meant. It is said that, "do not waste" the divine qualities laid within yourself, within your soul, due to not appreciating them rightfully. What if you would waste something sometime before you left it in this world in any case, or not? But if you waste something that you are for ever in need of and you will never be able to get back again, in this case, it will ultimately turn out to be such a wrong (cruelty) you have done onto yourself that it is impossible to tell the grief of your regret that it will bring! It will leave you in an eternal disappointment to fail to appreciate your own soul rightfully which would give you simply divine forces and life in the Hereafter,. The reality of the Hereafter is completely different from that of this world!

"And let every soul look to what he has sent forth for the morrow." (59:18)

It means that, whatever deed man does in this world today will form what he will find in the next, tomorrow! If we genuinely desire to prepare ourselves for our lives beyond death, first of all we need to start with "ALLAH" and learn what
is indeed meant through the name "ALLAH"!

All our misdeeds are basically caused by labeling and calling commonly the imagined GOD in our minds as "ALLAH.", but for people who are raised into believing Sata Clause, Easter Bunny and other folk tales like god in three would NOT seperate the just from the unjust---how wicked are these people for demanding from Allah what their instincts ONLY desire.

"Have you seen those who have made GODs of their own fancies?" (25:43) "And for all there are degrees from what they do, that He may pay them for their deeds and they shall not be wronged" (46:19) "This is the reward of your misdeeds. ALLAH is not unjust to his servants!" (22:10)

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Anonymous

Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 10:47 am
If the Bible used to be God's word and they tampered with it... then what protects the Qu'ran
from not being corrupted... just because many people says that it isn't corrupted?

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Anonymous

Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 10:50 am
What about all the suras that were destroyed by Caliph Uthman. In which some people believe that Qu'ran that exists now isn't complete with ALL the original suras. Some people boasted of their codex
being better than the codex Caliph Uthman composed.

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coolman.

Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 04:15 am
anonymous.

It is not what many people say... it is what Allah says that he will protect the Quran... go tell your priest in the church.. to fake a Quran and see if it works...

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Anonymous

Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 06:22 am
Coolman

Go tell you imam at your mosque to fake a Bible in
the original Hebrew perhaps.

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coolman.

Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 09:58 am
anonymous says <Go tell you imam at your mosque to fake a Bible in the original Hebrew perhaps...>

Ah!.. We have a man with gutts.. a little... who can prove the correctness of the torah in the original texts.... Guess what Mr Anomaly... we don't need as muslims.. to trangress our bounderies set forth by Allah for us... like your jewish pay masters did before... faking the words of god ... in exchange for small sum of money....

Besides.. who is more truthful than Allah... when he told us himself... not as a second rate info .. like yours....

<"(5):13.And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook(their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly".>

Now... if you think.. with your maryooley... attitude... blended with your disbelieve.. you can create suspicions.. in Us... or coment your dirty comments on the Quran.. we promise ... you will follow.. the ways your previous... marauders went ... defeated... with no words to utter... except complain... about the superiority of the Quran... get ready to roll... if you have anything to prove... and cite your satanic sources.. if you care... they will sure be melting in front of the Quran.. like the iron melts in the excess heat...

<3.175 It is only Satan that suggests to you the fear of his votaries: Be you not afraid of them, but fear Me, if you have faith.>... cite your devilish sources again... and your jewish pay masters.. if you think.. they are worth anything... we have plenty of answers... for you... Allah being the first and foremost... Allah says..

<7.200 If a suggestion from Satan assails your (mind), seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows (all things).

You are a big devil... trying to assail... the words of god.. out of anger.. and disatifaction with your disbelieve... I know you are not content .. with who you are.. just like other disbelievers like you.... and want us somalis to be like you ... tha same way your pay masters... wish for us..

<2.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which has reached you, then would you find neither protector nor helper against Allah.>

In that case.. we are not interested as muslims neither.. in the original hebrew bible... nor the current one.. they have amidst them.. the desires ... of your jewish masters.. the lies they put in there... and Allah gave us his warning.. not follow those desires of them....

Any Questions.....?

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KAFFAIR KILLERR

Tuesday, July 04, 2000 - 09:05 am
salam alaikum waraxmatulahi wabarakatuhu.

DHAMAAN MUSLIMIINTA.


WAR DADKA DHAHAYA BIBLE KA WAA ILAAH HADALKII BEEN BAAD SHEEKTEEN. WAXAA YEELAY MICNAHA BIBLE MA TAQAANAAN HA DAADAN A QOON SI FIICAN U BAAR. WAA YEELAY MICNAHA BIBLE KA WAA" COLLECTION OF BOOKS FROM DIFFERENT WRITES". EE HA DII ILAAH HADAL KII YAYAL MAXAA LOOGU BIXIN WAAYAL" INJIIL" KAAS BAA KII LAAH NOO SHEEGAY AH. LAAKIIN ILAAH NOOMA SHEEGIN BIBLE. EE DADKA KU DOODAYA IN BIBLE UU YAHAY HADAL KII ILAAH BEEN BAAD SHEEGTEEN. BEEN BAAD SHEEGTEEN. BEEEN BAAD SHEEGTEEN. EE XAGEEL KA KEEN TEEN MAGACA BIBLE KA. BIBLE XAWAA QOREY IN PAUL LA YIRAAHDO WAX YAALO BEEN BUUNA QOREY EE DADKA UU DUUFSADEY HAKA FIIRSADEEN.

DADKA SHEEGAYA IN BIBLE KA UU YAHAY ILAAH HADAL KII KEENA WAX PROVE AH. WAXAANA OGAATAAN IN BIBLE WAX LAQ0RRIKARO YIHIIN. EE SU'AASHA AAN IDIN WEYDIINAYO WAXAA WEEYE BIBLE MA ENGLISH BUU KU SOO DAGEY?A DUU SAN KU SOO DAGIN LOOQADEE BUU KU SOO DAGAL? WAA WAXAY MICNAHA BIBLE? HADUUSAN ENGLISH KU SOO DAGIN WAXAA LUUQADII UU KASOO DAGAY LOOGA BADALAY? MAGACA BIBLE XAGEED KA NEEN TEEN? ILEEN ILAAH WUXUU U BIXIYEY "INJIIL". EE XAGEED GEYSEEN INJIIL.

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