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     | Friday, February 16, 2001 - 06:53 pm Walaalayaal waxaan la soconaa in Wahaabiyadu tahay dhibka ugu wayn ee maanta Muslimiinta aduunka soo food saartay. Waxaan ognahay in ay ujeedadoodu tahay sidii loola dagaalami lahaa looana bixin lagaa muslimiinta masaajidda ku jirta ee aanay ahayn sidee Islaamka loo gaarsiin lahaa gaalada. Weligaa ka maqli maysid arin ku saabsan sidii diinka loo faafin lahaa. Taasna waxaa kuu cadaynaya waxay yiraahdaan "Waxaan jadiidinaynaa towxiidka." Waxaa is waydiin leh towxiidku ma duqoobaa markaasuu u baahadaa in la jadiidiyo?. Maxay u oran la'yihiin towxiidka ayaan gaarsiinaynaa gaalada?. Waxaa kale oo tusaale u ah in wahaabiyadu muslimiinta kaliya la dagaalanto, intii dagaal oo ay qaadeen dhamaantood waxay ku qaadeen muslimiin. Haddii ay ahaan lahayd Carabta iyo Somaliyaba. Ugu dambayntii bogan waxaan ku falaqayn doonaa dhibaatada Wahabiyadu ama Xashawiyadu ku hayso ummudda Islaamka meel kasta oo ay joogaan, gaar ahaan Somaliya. Waxaan Ilaahay ka rejaynayaa in baxsigan uu gaargaar uga dhigo muslimiinta la dhibaato geliyey. (AAmiin)<<<<Wahaabiyadu ducada waa necebyiin ee ha la ducaysto).
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| | Friday, February 16, 2001 - 07:34 pm Wahhabism Exists ==================== A leaflet entitled "Wahabism Exposed" was distributed by a Chicago-based organization named "Institute of Islamic Information and Education" (III&E). In it are found the astounding views that there is no such thing as Wahhabism, that those who are called by the name of Wahhabis are in fact better than ordinary Muslims, that those who use the terms "Wahhabism" or "Wahhabis" are agents of Shaytan, and worst of all, that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab is referred to in short as "Muhammad"  The present response will show that such claims are partisan lies intended to deceive Muslims and pass corruption as truth. Furthermore, all sincere believers should demand the withdrawal from circulation of that mendacious leaflet, and the verification of III&E publications by competent individuals in order to prevent the growing wave of disinformation emanating from Muslim sources. ***Lie#1: The III&E leaflet claims: "The term 'Wahabism'... is a derogatory and an accusatory term used to denigrate Muslims of certain aqeedah and who shun certain practices, perceived by others to be Islamic." The leaflet of course does not specify which practices. The impression it gives is that Wahhabis are Muslims of sound 'aqeedah without further proof than stating so and that these "certain practices" which they shun must surely be bad. The reality is that Wahhabis have been condemned in fatwa after fatwa by Muslim scholars over the last two-hundred years for their innovations, for killing Muslims in Mecca, Madina and Ta'if and for calling Muslim believers "kafir." ***Lie #2: The III&E leaflet states: "When people belong to a certain aqeedah, such as Ashari, Juhaimi, Sunni, Shi'ah..." This phrasing craftily suggests that "Ash'ari" and "Sunni" are altogether different concepts and that the former is but one of many schools antithetical to the Sunni, and even heretical! This is a distortion of the definition of "Sunni" and a slander on all Muslims and their scholars, whose overwhelming majority belong to the Ash'ari creed, and that creed is the creed of Sunni Muslims worldwide and of all the major scholars of Islam. It is a typical refrain of Wahhabis to claim that "Ash'ari" and "Sunni" are antithetical concepts whereas they are synonymous, as proven by their interchangeable use in the writings of the Imams Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Ghazali, al-Hakim, Abu Nu'aym, Suyuti, Haythami, al-Dhahabi, Ibn Asakir and many others. Virtually all muftis and scholars of Islam are Ash'ari outside of the Najd area and we challenge anyone to deny this. Here are the names of some of major contemporary scholars of the Ash'ari school: - Hasanayn Muhammad Makhluf (Founding member of the Muslim World League and former mufti of Egypt) - Abdullah Kanun al-Hasani (founding member of the MWL and president of the Scholars of Morocco Institute) - Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Khazraji (Minister of Justice and Islamic Affairs, Unitted Arab Emirates) - Muhammad al-Shazili al-Nayfar (Founding member of MWL and Dean of al-Zaytuna University, Tunis) - Al-Husayni Abd al-Majid Hashim (President of Azhar University, Egypt and Secretary General of the Research Institute in Mecca) - Muhammad Fal al-Banani (Secretary-General of Muslim Scholars in Mauritania and founding member of MWL) - Muhammad Sallim ibn 'Adud (Minister of Culture and Islamic Affairs in Mauritania, President of the Supreme Islamic Court, and founding member of the Institute of Jurisprudence in Mecca) - Ahmad Kuftaro (mufti of Syria and founding member of MWL) - Yusuf ibn Ahmad al-Siddiq (Chief Judge of the Islamic Court in Bahrain and founding member of MWL) - Muhammad Rashid Kabbani (mufti of Lebanon and present member of MWL) - Muhammad Malik al-Kandahlawi (shaykh of Hadith, University of al-Ashrafiyyah, Lahore, Pakistan) - Sayyid Muhammad Abdul Qadir Azad (President of the Islamic Scholars Society of Pakistan) - Dr. Abdul Razzaq Iskandar (principal of the Islamic University of Karachi) and innumerable others that we cannot list in this brief space. ***Lie #3: The III&E leaflet asks: "Did Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab presented [sic] any new school of fiqhi principles? We find that he was himself an ardent follower of HANBALI madh-hab, and he revered Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal." Notice that the author(s) leave their own question unanswered, because it is well-known that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was castigated by Hanbali scholars -- beginning with his own father and brother -- precisely for misrepresenting the position of Imam Ahmad and his school, and for innovating new and strange fiqhi principles! That he was "himself an ardent follower" proves nothing, as can be learned fromthe "ardent followers" of greater men than Imam Ahmad (ra), such as the Prophet 'Isa (as) or Imam 'Ali (r). ***Lie #4: As a continuation of Lie #3, the III&E leaflet claims that "We find that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab remained throughout his life a follower of Hanbali madh-hab AND DID NOT DEVIATE MUCH FROM IT" (!). This sentence reiterates the false claim that he was a strict Hanbali, and in the same breath acknowledges that he deviated from the Hanbali madhhab! Such double-talk shows that the writer hardly knows where to stand in proving his thesis. If this writer were in a freshman composition class he would no doubt receive a failing grade for his lack of logical sequence and poor writing style. At any rate, the III&E leaflet confirms that the question is not whether Ibn Abdul Wahhab deviated, for all agree that he did; the question is: how much did he deviate? We do not leave it to partisans and amateurs to answer such a question but we take it to the scholars of the shari'a, and we have already given many references to the effect that he deviated enough to be classified as promoting a false 'aqeedah by some scholars, and as a mubtadi' (innovator) by others. ***Lie #5: The III&E leaflet clamors: "Those who made their goal to fight 'Wahabism' are fighting a non-existent enemy, a creation of a figment of their own mind." Here we enter into real absurdity as it seems that the leaflet is busy defending a non-existent object. If "Wahabism" is a non-existent enemy, who and what is the leaflet trying so hard to defend? Who were the attackers of Madina who killed women and children in 1804 and tried to destroy the dome of the Prophet's (s) mosque? Allah made their hand to wither and their eyes to go blind, as they were unsuccessful in their attempt. Nonetheless, they destroyed the tombs of the Sahaba and the Tabi'in. To say that there is no Wahhabiyya and that we should not worry is like treating the Muslims like babies and feeding them a pacifier, or telling us that there is no fire to put out so that the fire grows to the point that it can destroy us. The Shaykh of Najd, Ibn Abdul Wahhab did exist; the confusion that his teachings created has entered every other mosque in the Middle East and the West; the school of thought that he established and that was adoped by the Saud tribe does exist; its dissemination thanks to oil money is a fact; and the spread of Wahhabi literature everywhere is a palpable reality. Only an idiot or a liar can deny this. This is part two of the text of a leaflet handed out at the Muslim Community Center in Chicago last Jumu'ah. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***Lie #6: The III&E leaflet further insults the integrity of Muslims: "The [six] books of Hadith mentioned are famous and all Sunni Muslims give lip service to them [!] and ... 'Wahabis' call you to go one step beyond lip service and implement the teachings in your lives." This statement is a typical attack questioning the faith of all Muslims and impudently claiming that Wahabis are better than Muslims. May Allah destroy the enemies of Muslims who made such a claim. Muslims do not "pay lip service" to the Six Books of authentic hadith (Sunan) but base their entire life and belief on them! Muslims do not allow anyone to get away with such sweeping aspersions cast on their belief. It is the Wahhabis themselves who have carved a reputation for opposing the Sunan and revising them through innovative views and methods. Furthermore, this is an overt admission by the leaflet writer(s) that Wahabis exist, which contradicts the previous statement (see Lie#5) that they are imaginary! Allah shows their falsehood through their own words. As Umar ibn al-Khattab (r) said concerning innovators: "Beware of those who push their own opinion (as-hab al-ra'y) for they are the enemies of the Sunan." (Ibn al-Qayyim, Madarij al-Salikin 3:348). ***Lie #7: The III&E leaflet further blunders: "Who was Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab? He was a reformer..." There is no such thing as "reform" (islah) in Islam. In Islam there is Renewal (tajdid) and the person who brings it is called a Renewer (mujaddid) according to the hadith of the Prophet (s) to that effect: "At the head of every hundred years someone will come to you (Muslims) and renew for you the matter of this religion (Islam)." The admirers and sectarians of Ibn Abdul Wahhab, however, call him a reformer, not only because he never had the caliber of a Renewer, but because they follow in this the practice of the Christian Reformation and the countless branches of the Protestant Churches. This is only one of many striking similarities between the Wahhabi sect and Christian Protestantism. Other similarities is the Wahhabi hatred of awliya (saints) in Islam, whom they call in their leaflet "personality cults"; and their actual defense of the term "fundamentalism" which the leaflet calls: "a term without definition but made derogatory." There is no such thing in Islam as fundamentalism, nor protestantism, personality cults, or reform, and whoever tells Muslims otherwise is a liar and an innovator. As for the Wahhabi cliam that following the pious saints amounts to a personality cult, it contradicts the Qur'an and the Sunna, as Allah has ordered Muslims: "Ask the people of knowledge (of God)", and these have been defined by Abu Hanifa and ash-Shafi'i as the scholar-saints (al-awliya al-ulama), and the Prophet (s) said: "Do not ask from people, but if you must ask, then ask the pious saints (wa in kunta sa'ilan la budda fa sal al-salihin)", as narrated in al-Nasa'i, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah and Ibn Hibban. ***Lie #7: The III&E leaflet makes its most scandalous claim in the following sentence: "Naturally, those who were hurt by Muhammad's teaching screamed and fought back with their own devilish instruments of slander, lies and hate mongering." We ask Muslims: Is it not a devilish slander and an overt lie to call Ibn Abdul Wahhab as if he were the Prophet (s) himself?! Not one single book of biography or history, and certainly not hadith or fiqh, calls anyone by the name of "Muhammad" without adding EVERY TIME his full name, to avoid confusion with the Seal of Prophets (s) who ALONE is called Muhammad (pbuh). Let Muslims be warned that this appellation in the III&E leaflet is not an oversight, but a frequent phenomenon of Wahhabi writings. How dare they, after such grave deviations, charge anyone with the cult of personality when they are the first ones to practice it? ***Lie #8: Last but not least, the leaflet comes to one of the most cherished lies of the Wahhabis: "The term 'Wahabis and Wahabism' was the invention of the British to divide Muslims... We should not allow ourselves to continue to be the victims of Imperialist designs." This is another insult to the intelligence of Muslims. All Muslims know that it is the British who took away the Khilafa and put in place the Wahhabi kingdom of the Saud to insure access to oil! The only recent member of that kingdom whose oil policy did not suit the West was taken away (King Faysal, rahimah Allah). The consequence of this Western offensive on the Umma is the on-going imposition of the Wahhabi school of thought on Muslims worldwide and the gradual removal of the established Four Schools of fiqh which are based on hte authentic 'aqeedah of the two Imams, al-Ash'ari and al-Maturidi. We close this warning to the liars within the Umma with a call to all Muslims not to accept what is handed down to them by innovators and tongue-twisters, as the Prophet (s) condemned them in his time and it is a duty upon us to condemn them in ours. As for Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, the Shaykh of Najd, he is neither a mujtahid nor an accepted scholar of the Sunna but someone who brought confusion and dissension to Muslims, as the Prophet (s) warned that out of Najd would come fitna to Muslims and the very Horn of Shaytan. We seek protection in Allah from him and his shaytans, today's Wahhabis, and we sincerely warn Muslims to call falsehood for what it is and stay away from it, and to hold tightly to the Rope of Allah which is represented by the Four Schools and the great majority of Muslims. And Allah knows best. List of Books of Fatwas Condemning Wahabism ------------------------------------------- (Wahabis Want you to believe these books do not exist, or that these scholars are British)! -- Allama al-Shaykh Sulayman ibn Abdul Wahhab an-Najdi. Elder of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab: 1. al-Sawa'iq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd 'ala al-Wahhabiyya. ["Divine Lightning in Answering the Wahhabis"] -- Sayid Ahmad ibn Zayni al-Dahlan (d. 1304/1886) Shafi'i Mufti and Shaykh al-Islam in Hijaz: 2. al-Durar al-saniyyah fi al-radd ala al-Wahhabiyyah. ["The Pure Pearls in Answering the Wahhabis"] 3. Fitnat al-Wahhabiyyah. ["The Wahhabi Sedition"] 4. Kuhlasat al-kalam fi bayan umara' al-balad al-Haram. ["The Summation Concerning the Leaders of the Holy Sanctuary"] (A history of the Wahhabi Fitna in Najd and in the Hijaz). --Shah Mu'in al-Haqq al-Dehlawi (d. 1289) 5. Sayf al-Jabbar al-maslul 'ala a'da' al-Abrar ["The Sword of the Almighty Drawn Against the Enemies of the Pure Ones"] --Dr. al-Dahesh ibn Abdullah, (Arab University of Morocco), editor: 6. Munadhara 'ilmiyya bayna 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-Sharif wa al-Imam Ahmad ibn Idris fi al-radd 'ala Wahabiyyat Najd, Tihama, wa 'Asir. ["Scholarly Debate the Sharif and Ahmad ibn Idris Against the Wahhabis of Najd, Tihama, and 'Asir"] --anonymous: 7. al-Haqa'iq al-islamiyya fi al-radd 'ala al-maza'im al-Wahhabiyya ["The Truths of Islam in Responding to the Claims of Wahabis"] --al-Qadi Yusuf al-Nabahani al-Shafi'i: 8. Shawahid al-Haqq fi al-Istigatha bi Sayyid al-Khalq (s) ["The Proofs of Truth in the Seeking of the Intercession of the Prophet (s)"] --Jamal Effendi Sidqi al-Zahawi: 9. al-Fajr al-Sadiq fi al-radd 'ala munkiri al-tawassul. ["The True Dawn in Answering Those Who Deny the Seeking of Intercession"] Contains a detailed description of the Wahhabi heresy and of their false 'aqeedah. --Shaykh al-Islam Dawud ibn al-Sayyid Sulayman al-Baghdadi: 10. al-Minha al-Wahbiyya fi radd al-Wahhabiyya ["The Divine Dispensation Concerning the Wahhabi Deviation"] 11. Ashadd al-Jihad fi Ibtal Da'wa al-Ijtihad. ["The Most Violent Jihad in Proving False Those Who Claim Ijtihad"] --Hamd Allah al-Dajwi: 12. al-Basa'ir li Munkiri al-tawassul ka amthal Muhd. Ibn Abdul Wahhab. ["The Evident Proofs Against Those Who Deny the Seeking of Intercession Like Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab"] --Muhammad Ashiq al-Rahman al-Habibi: 13. 'Adhab Allah al-Mujdi li Junun al-Munkir al-Najdi ["Allah's Terrible Punishment for the Mad Rejector from Najd"] --al-Sayyid Mustafa ibn Ahmad al-Shatti al-Hanbali. Mufti of Syria: 14. al-Nuqul al-shar'iyyah fi al-radd 'ala al-Wahhabiyya. ["The Legal Proofs in Answering the Wahhabis"] (proves that the Wahhabi 'aqeedah is fasid and batil [corrupt and incorrect]). --Allama al-Shaykh Abd Rabbu ibn Sulayman al-Shafi'i al-Azhari. The author of Sharh Jami' al-Usul li ahadith al-Rasul, a basic book of Usul al-Fiqh: 15. Fayd al-Wahhab fi Bayyan Ahl al-Haqq wa man dalla 'ana al-sawab. 4 vols. ["Allah's Outpouring in Differentiating the True Muslims from Those Who Deviated"] --Hasan ibn Ali al-Saqqaf al-Shafi'i, Islamic Research Institute, Amman, Jordan. 16. al-Igatha bi adillat al-istighatha wa al-radd al-mubin 'ala munkiri al-tawassul [The Mercy in the Proofs of Seeking Intercession and the Clear Answer to Those who Reject It"] 17. Ilqam al hajar li al-Mutatawil 'ala al-Asha'ira min al-Basha. ["The Stoning of All Those Who Attack Ash'aris"] The Genealogy of Wahhabi Doctrines ----------------------------------- They can be isolated in four innovations: -Anthropomorphism of Allah (Likening Him to His creation). -Making one and the same abstract thing of Uluhiyya (Essence of God) and Rububiyya (Atributes of the Lordship of God). -Rejecting the Honor of the Prophet (s) and the saints (salihin) and treating their veneration (tawqir) as 'ibadat (worship) shirk (idolatry). -Calling all Muslims between the fourth and the twelfth Hijri centuries (when Ibn Abdul Wahhab was born) mushrikun and kuffar who never practiced real Islam, including the Four Schools of fiqh, the Two Schools of 'Aqeedah (Ash'ari and Maturidi), and all schools of 'ilm as-Suluk (Tasawwuf) but excluding Ibn Taymniyya and Ibn al-Qayyim and their school. Concerned Muslims of MCC http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/isl/wahabism.exp . Friday, February 16, 2001 - 02:13 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shi'ism: An Exposition and Refutation of the Sources... http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/group/shiasm/Khutoot.frame_2.html 7 - SHI'ITE ATTACK ON THE NOBLE QUR'AN 8 - SHI'ITE LIES, EVEN AGAINST `ALI 9 - REJOIOCING OF THE MISSIONARIES AND ORIENTALISTS 10 - SHI'ITE VIEWS ON THE MUSLIM RULERS 11 - MALICE AGAINST ABU BAKR AND `UMAR 12 - SHI'ITES EXALT THE ASSASSIN OF THE CALIPH `UMAR 13 - DESIRE FOR REVENGE AND DESTRUCTION 14 - SHI'ITES' WAY OF THINKING UNCHANGED 15 - DISTORTION OF HISTORICAL FACTS 16 - THE SHI'ITES PLACE THEIR IMAMS ABOVE THE MESSENGER 17 - SHI'ITE TREACHERY TOWARDS ISLAMIC GOVERNMENTS 18 - THE TREACHERY OF AL-'ALQAMI AND IBN ABIL-HADEED 19 - AN IMPEDIMENT TO RECONCILIATION 20 - SALVATION CANNOT BE ATTAINED WITHOUT PLEDGING ALLEGIANCE AND GRANTING SOVEREIGNTY TO AHLIL-BAIT 21 - SHI'ITES DIFFER WITH MUSLIMS IN FUNDAMENTALS, NOT ONLY IN THE SECONDARY ISSUES 22 - THE TALE OF THE DOOR AND THE TUNNEL 23 - THE- CONCEPT OF PLEDGING ALLEGIANCE ACCORDING O THE MUSLIMS 24 - FRIENDSHIP AND AFFECTION AMONG THE RIGHTLY-GUIDED Caliphs 25 - WHY WE MUST RID OURSELVES OF ANY CONNECTION WITH THE SHI'ITES 26 - SHI'ITES PREFER PROPAGATION OF THEIR SECTARIAN TENETS TO TAQREEB 27 - THE INTRIGUE OF BAABISM AND BAHAISM AND THE ENSUING UPHEAVAL IN IRAN 28 - FROM SHI'ISM TO COMMUNISM 29 - AN OUTLINE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUNNIS AND THE SHI'ITES, IN MATERS OF FAITH AND DOCTRINE 29.1 - THE GLORIOUS QUR'AN 29.2 - AHAADEETH (THE PROPHETIC TRADITIONS) 29.3 - THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET 29.4 - BELIEF IN THE ONENESS OF GOD 29.5 - BELIEF IN THE ONENESS OF GOD (Cont'd.) 29.6 - SEEING ALLAH 29.7 - THE UNSEEN 29.8 - AALUR-RSOOL (THE FAMILY OF THE MESSENGER) (May Allah be pleased with them all) 29.9 - ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE 29.10 - Al-WALAA' (OBEDIENCE AND DEVOTION) 29.11 - GOVERNING THE ISLAMIC STATE 30 - FOOTNOTES Ahulhadith Friday, February 16, 2001 - 12:18 pm
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| | Friday, February 16, 2001 - 07:39 pm Assalamucalykum Walaalkayga muslimka ahow marka hore waan ku soo salaamayaa laakiin sida aad wax uga dhawaajisay anigu kuguma raacsani mana ihi qoladaa aad sheegtay iyo wax u dhow toona laakiin waxaan ku dhihi lahaa waxaad qoraysaa walaalkayow xaqiiqo ha haado waayo sifiican umaad macnaynin waxaad u jeedo mana fiicna in dadka layska caayo adiga oon garanany waxa falsafadoodu tahay iyo meeshay wax ka wadaan. Taas hadaan kaga baxo dhinaca canaanta iyo wax u sheegid qof khalad ku dhex jira waxaan markan kaaga yara warami macnaha wahaabiyo oo kasoo jeeda nin sheekha oo bari hore dhintay ahaana nin muslim ah intaan taariikhda ku hayo mabdana lahaa rabayna in uu si uga dhaadhiciyo umada diinta slaamka haba yara khaldanaatee laakiin muhiimadiisa ugu weyni waxay ahayd inuu umada ku soo celiyo diinta magacan aad ka dhawaajisayna waa maga ciisa waxaa layidhaa "Maxamed Bin Cabdi Wahaab" waana nin sucuudiyaaw ah dhalashadiisu. Hadaba walaalkayga muslimka ahow ka fiirso erayda qaarkood waa waxa meeshaa maanta islaamkii geeyey siduu midkeenba kani kale u caayay ama u xaqiraayay islaamkuna marabo arintaas oo hadii walaalkaa wax ku khaldamo waxaa lagaa rabaa inaad ku caawiso sidaad khaldkaa uga saari lahayd ood meesha fiican u tusilahayd taas marka aan ku dadaalno ee ogow yeyna xamaasadi ku qaadin wanan fahmi karaa meeshaad hada ka hadlyso. Sidaa iyo sheekada oon inoo siiwado
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 02:55 am Salamu calaykum I do not know anything about wahabism, this is the first place i have come across such a definition, i have heard about salafism and my friends think that...it is the same thing... It would be productive if we could all talk about what wahabism is without the pasting... are we too dumb to talk... please let people express them self! even if you don't agree with what they say... Thank you
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 04:47 am Walaal Muslim Waxaa wanaagsan in markii laga hadlayo mowduuc in aan laga boodin mowduuciyada ( Objectivity)nafteeda. Waxaa kaloo ay ku jirtaa adabta in loo munaaqashoodo si ay ka muuqato akademic oo aan loo hadlin sida dadka dariiqa. Walaal, marka hore maxaad ka taqaannaa Al Wahaabiya? bal noo faaidee adoon soo guurin wexey qoreen dad aan ku tiirsaneyn Kitaabka Allah iyo Sunnada Rasulka SAWS. Yaa magacaas bixiyey? Goormey kacday dhaqdhaqaaqaas? Maxay la dirieysey. Tan kale waa inaan yeelannaa miisaan aan ku kala saarno xaqa iyo baadilka. RasuulkaSAWS wuxuu yiri, waxaan idiin ka tagay wax hadaad qabsataan eydan lumeyn, Kitaabka Allah iyo Sunnada Rasuulkiisa. Missaanka aan wax ku miisaanno ma waxaan ka qaadannaa Shhica? Suufi? ama qolo kale oo aan isku diin aheyn? Mise waxaan ka qaadannaa miisaanka kitaabka Allah iyo Sunnada Rasuulka? Walaal, marka hore bal caddee: Mushkilada jirta maxey tahay? Yaa ka masuul ah, sababna maxaa u ah? Maxaa daliil u ah (Daliilka aan ku heshiinno in uu yahay Quraanka iyo Sunnada oo kaliya). Maxaa markaas xalli u ah in mushkiladaas lagu xalliyo. Walaal, waxaa iiga kaa muuqda caqli badan, waxaanan Allah ka baryayaa inuu caqligaaga Allah kuu dhoweeyo, sheitaanna kaa fogeeyo adiga iyo aniga iyo muslimiinta oo dhan.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 05:23 am !ATTENTION! This is a public Health warning ! The following is a Warning do not buy or reading the books, or listen to their cassettes, as their DISINFORMATION will affect your hearts thus render them DEAD and useless. Every thing written by the following:- Wahabhi/Deobandis= Salafi=Nadji=Shaytan as Ibn Abdul Wahab was called ‘Shaykh al-Najd Ibn Abdul Wahab" thus the name Wahabis comes from here. And as own Tradition tells us, own Noble Prophet Peace be upon him called Shaytan ‘Shaykh al-Najd’, the only person called that name is Ibn Abdul Wahab, so this is his real title, that of Shaytan. Which is Najdi, meaning he that came from Najdi. These are the same groups which have the same hated for the Majority of Sunni Muslims they claim to be Sunni but really are something else in disguise, they are nothing else but the army of Dajjal (Anti-Christ). Propagating anti-Islamic beliefs about Islam. They are tyrants and have label own Noble Classical Scholars as Kufar only say four things because the are square-headed and stupid they say ‘Bida, Shirk, Haram and Kufur’ some of these people I’ll mention below; try to avoid they CRAP if you can; Most or all of Al-Hidaayah Publishing books All of Bin Baz books Dr Bilal Philips books Shaykh al-Banni Books More or less all of the above have had books published by al-Hidaayah Ashraf Ali Thanwi he’s known to the sunnis by hes famous book Beshti Zaiver in Urdu this book is full of contradictions and must be avoided by all sister, its NOT a sunni book because Ashraf Ali Thanwi was a Founder Member of deobandi movement. He cleverly wrote it but too many Pakistanis are fooled by this book - get rid of it, is my advice. These people have all a great love for Ibn Abdul Wahab a.k.a Mr Najdi. So you’ve been warned. Now tell others. More to be added If one has more information to be added to this Nadji list please forward and I’ll add them.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 06:09 am MEANING OF "NAJD" by Dr. G.F. Haddad The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "O Allah, bless us in our Sham and our Yemen!" They said: "O Messenger of Allah! and our Najd!" He did not reply but again said: "O Allah, bless us in our Sham and our Yemen!" They said: "O Messenger of Allah! and our Najd!" He did not reply but again said: "O Allah, bless us in our Sham and our Yemen!" They said: "O Messenger of Allah! and our Najd!" He said: "Thence shall come great upheavals and dissensions, and from it shall issue the side of the head of Shaytan."1 Al-Nawawi said: "Najd is the area that lies between Jurash (in Yemen) all the way to the rural outskirts of Kufa (in Iraq), and its Western border is the Hijaz. The author of al-Matali` said: Najd is all a province of al-Yamama."2 Al-Fayruzabadi said: "Its geographical summit is Tihama and Yemen, its bottom is Iraq and Sham, and it begins at Dhatu `Irqin [= Kufa]3 from the side of the Hijaz."4 Al-Khattabi said: "Najd lies Eastward, and to those who are in Madina, their Najd is the desert of Iraq and its vicinities, which all lie East of the people of Madina. The original meaning of najd is `elevated land' as opposed to ghawr which means declivity. Thus, Tihama is all part of al-Ghawr, and Mecca is part of Tihama."5 This is confirmed by Ibn al-Athir's definition: "Najd is any elevated terrain, and it is a specific name for what lies outside the Hijaz and adjacent to Iraq."6 Similarly Ibn Hajar stated: "Al-Dawudi said: `Najd lies in the vicinity of Iraq.'"7 Iraq itself lexically means river-shore or sea-shore, in reference to the Euphrates and the Tigris.8 All these explanations prove that those who say that Najd in the hadith denotes present-day Iraq exclusively of present-day Najd9 are mistaken, as Najd at that time included not only Iraq but also - as in our present time - everything East of Madina, especially the regions far South of Iraq. The proof for this is the hadith whereby the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- pointed to Yemen and said: "Verily, belief is there; but hardness and coarseness of heart is with the blaring farmers (al-faddadin), the people of many camels, where the two sides of the head of Shaytan shall appear, among [the tribes of] Rabi`a and Mudar."10 Ibn Hajar identified these two tribes as "the most prestigious of the people of the East, the Quraysh - from which the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- is issued - being a branch of Mudar."11 This is confirmed by al-Bukhari's narration in seven places and Muslim's in six, from Ibn `Umar, that the East (al-Mashriq) is the origin of dissension and the place where the side of the head of Shaytan would appear - or two sides in one narration of Muslim. The fact that Muslim narrated that Salim ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Umar applied this hadith to the people of Iraq does not limit its meaning to them. It only confirms that the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- foresaw the dissension of the Khawarij among other dissensions hailing from the East, such as that of Musaylima the Liar and others. Another proof is that the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- had set Qarn al-Manazil as the starting-point (miqat) for the state of consecration (ihram) for pilgrims coming from Najd, which in his time included Iraq, although Islam had not yet reached the latter. Later, the people of Iraq, finding Qarn al-Manazil too far out of the way for them, asked for something nearer, whereupon `Umar ( fixed Dhat `Irqin as their miqat as established in the following narrations: a) "The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- declared that the ihram of the people of Madina starts at Dhu al-Hulayfa; that of the people of Sham starts at al-Juhfa; that of the people of Najd starts at Qarn al-Manazil; and that of the people of Yemen starts at Yalamlama."12 Al-Nawawi said: "Qarn al-Manazil is the mountain of that name. Between it and Mecca on the East lies a distance of two legs of journey."13 b) "When these two cities were conquered - al-Basra and al-Kufa - they came to `Umar ibn al-Khattab and said: `O Commander of the Believers, Allah's Messenger gave Qarn as a limit to the people of Najd, and it is out of our way, so that if we want to go to Qarn it creates hardship for us.' `Umar replied: `See what lies nearest to it on your way.' So he determined Dhatu `Irqin as a limit for them."14 Ibn al-Athir said: "Ibn `Abbas said: `At Dhatu `Irqin, facing Qarn,' Dhatu `Irqin being the miqat of the people of Iraq, and Qarn that of the people of Najd, and they are equidistant from the Haram."15 On the foregoing evidence one might make a case that Najd is synonymous with Iraq in the hadith in the general sense of the immediate East in relation to Madina. This view is supported by other narrations of the hadith "bless us in our Sham and our Yemen" in which the terms "East" and "Iraq" are used interchangeably in the place of Najd: a) The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "O Allah! Bless us in our Sham and our Yemen!" A man said: "And our East, O Messenger of Allah!" The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- repeated his invocation twice, and the man twice said: "And our East, O Messenger of Allah!" whereupon the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "Thence shall issue the side of the head of Shaytan. In it are nine tenths of disbelief. In it is the incurable disease (al-da' al-`addal)."16 b) The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "O Allah! Bless us in our sa` and in our mudd (i.e. in every measure)! Bless us in our Mecca and our Madina! Bless us in our Sham and our Yemen!" A man said: "O Prophet of Allah, and our Iraq!" The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "In it is the side of the head of Shaytan. In it shall dissensions heave. Verily, disrespect (al-jafa') lies in the East."17 I asked Dr. Wahbe al-Zuhayli why some people claim that Najd means present-day Iraq. He replied: "It is a political arrow to justify its bombing."
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 08:08 am Salamu aleykum.... to those who fighting and think there are Sunni>>> ya sunni sister... you pasting to us Prof Hadad.. do you think we don't know him!!!, you took some of these from the Kabbani homepage nashaqabaddi.. do you belive that they say ... it's ok to call upon jinn!!!, for help... and to ask dead for help and things you only ask Allah..!!! Sunni sister, Sunnah is far away from you... repent before it comes the day... I will past this post to show you what Great work done by abdul-wahab... these guy they want us to call upon Jinn and dead people... they want us to make Shikr and call upon the saints and Oliya.. this is shirk... this what Ibn Abdul-wahab fought against... Since you guys are not stopping then we will not stop... I will expose you guys... read below: this post was posted by sufi guy Asif who is one of sufi writes on Kabbani site.... who Sunni sister ...and others like her /him like ... read below and think did ibn Abdul-wahab right to do what he had done!!! ================================================== Here the post below: Posted By: Asif J Naqshbandi-Jama'ati (pc5.meng.ucl.ac.uk) Date: 3/9/99 Assalamu alaykum. This is a posting originally made by Brother Ruslan in 1998 regarding tawassul or asking the Awliya of Allah for help. I hope brother Ruslan doesn't mind. It is quotes from His Excellency, the Sultan of the Saints, Our Master and Lord [sayyedna wa mawlana] Shaikh Sayyid Abd ul Qadir al Jilani radhi Allah anhu: ******************** Description of the plea for help[istighatha] related to the noble presence [hadra] of our master and our pillar of support, the Supreme Helper [al-Ghawth al A’œam] (may Allah the Exalted sanctify his splendid and most glorious innermost being). The proper time for its performance is on a Tuesday night* either at midnight or at the time shortly preceding the break of day [waqt as-sahar]. It reads as follows: In the Name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate If you are troubled by some worrisome concern, and you wish that Allah would dispel it from you, you should perform two [voluntary] cycles of ritual prayer [rak’atain] after the late evening prayer [salat al-’isha’], or at the time shortly preceding break of day [waqt as-sahar]. In each cycle [rak’a], you should recite, after the Opening Sura, the Sura (Q 112) of Sincere Devotion, eleven times. Then you should pronounce the salutation [taslima], and bow down in prostration [sujud] to Allah after the greeting of peace [salam]. [While in prostration] you should ask Allah for whatever you need, then raise your head and invoke blessings on the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), eleven times. Then you should stand upright, and take eleven steps in the direction of ‘Iraq, to the right of the Qibla, saying: 1st Step: “O Shaikh Muhyi’d-Din!” 2nd Step: “O Chieftain Muhyi’d-Din!” 3rd Step: “O our Patron Muhyi’d-Din!” 4th Step: “O Master Muhyi’d-Din!” 5th Step: “O Dervish Muhyi’d-Din!” 6th Step: “O Professor Muhyi’d-Din!” 7th Step: “O Sultan Muhyi’d-Din!” 8th Step: “O Shah Muhyi’d-Din!” 9th Step: “O Ghawth Muhyi’d-Din!” 10th Step: “O Qutb Muhyi’d-Din!” 11th Step: “O Chieftain of chieftains Muhyi’d-Din!” Then you should say” O ‘Ubaida’llah [Dear Servant of Allah], help me, by Allah’s leave! O Shaikh of men and jinn, help me and support me in the satisfaction of my needs! Then you should recite the following supplication [du’a’] three times: “O Allah, all belongs to You, all is because of You, all if from You, and all is returning to You. You are the All and the All of All. Of Your Mercy, O Most Merciful of the Merciful [I beg You to grant my plea]. And may Allah bless our Chieftain Muhammad, and his family and his Companions, and may He grant them peace!” Amin! * Remember that the night of Tuesday is Monday night Gregorian. ****************** Shaikh ‘Abd al-Qadir’s advice to the supplicant in need of help. Shaikh ‘Ali al-Khabbaz [the Baker] (may Allah be well pleased with him) once said: “I heard Shaikh Abu ‘l-Qasim ‘Umar say: ‘I heard my master, Shaikh ‘Abd al-Qadir (may Allah be well pleased with him), say: “‘“If someone in distress appeals to me for help [istaghatha bi], he will be relieved of his distress. If someone in hardship invokes my name, his hardship will be dispelled. If someone beseeches Allah, through me, to satisfy a need, his need will be satisfied. “‘“If someone is experiencing a pressing need, he should perform two cycles of ritual prayer [rak’atain] in the following manner: •In each cycle [rak’a], after reciting the Opening Sura [al-Fatiha], he should recite the Sura of Sincere Devotion [Surat al-Ikhlas] eleven times. •After the salutation [salam] following the testimony [tashahhud], he should invoke blessings upon Allah’s Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace)—eleven times. •He should then salute me with the greeting of peace, referring to me by my name. •Finally, he should mention his need, for it will be satisfied, if Allah (Exalted is He) so wills.”’” According to one version [riwaya] of this report, the Shaikh also said: “The supplicant should take eleven steps toward the East, in the direction of my tomb. He should mention me, and he should mention his need, for it will be satisfied.” (According to some, the Shaikh spoke of seven steps, rather than eleven.) According to yet another version, the Shaikh also advised the supplicant to recite the following poetic verses: What hardship can overtake me, when You are my treasury? How can I be wronged in this world, when You are my support? Shame on the guardian of the pasture, when he is my helper, if the cord that should hobble my camel strays off into the desert! *******
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 08:14 am s/calaykum Ok correct me but... wahabism is about following the teachings of this guy called wahabi! what i want to know is what is different about wahabism compared to normal suni? please answer me without paste! Noone reads the pasted information anyway and we just fill the thread with unreadable info thank you.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 08:24 am s/calaykum Ok correct me but... wahabism is about following the teachings of this guy called wahabi! what i want to know is what is different about wahabism compared to normal suni? please answer me without paste! Noone reads the pasted information anyway and we just fill the thread with unreadable info thank you.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 03:39 pm why don't you people leave this topic alone.the chalanges that are facing us outweight the minor differences, so let's focus on the real issue of everyday, such as praying five times ,and doing litte good deeds. i can't believe some fanatics from different camps are posting here their arguments that are too long out of focus, and senseless. we as somalis don't need salafi,but we rather need to stick to the teachings of the four imams,and the current wise scholars of islam, such as sheikh mahamed ghazali,who died couple of years ago , sheikh qaradawi who has a web page, and their likes. somalia has also great sheiks such as sheekh mohamed moalim , shariif abdirnuur is good,but a litte salafi in him. the salafis have created enough chaos in our homeland by pickering about little things and creating hardship. no offense and for your information iam not sufi as the somali sufis, islah , and defenetly not a salafi, because i despise these saudi funded people. iam on the right track cause iam a sunni ,follow the prophet and my sources are the uluma that got their sources from the four imams, who were the genuine salafis. peace and much love to all bros and sistaz.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 05:11 pm Kamal. Assalaamu caleykum. Wahabi is a name used for people who emphasize towhid more than they emphasize other deeds of islam. There is also a book of "Towhid" written originally by a sheikh called Mahammed ibnu cabdul-wahaab. It is called "Fatxul-Majiid". And the name as you can see it, has roots in the SHEIKH. Anyone who reads that book or recommends it or teaches the towhid was/is termed WAHHAABI. Personally, I haven't seen a sect called Wahhaabi but people who differ the TOWHID and who have SUFI tendencies in their CAQIIDA label others with THAT NAME. That is why SAUDIS are called WAHHABIYIIN since they teach in their schools the book itself particularly to young children. I have it home and I think it is one the best books I was ever read to. It gets rid of all superstitions and the teachings of Sufism. I remember that if someone tries to read that book in a mosque, he risked his life or drew insults from the IGNORANT sufis who ran most Mogadishu Mosques. Anyway, I recommend you take a look at that book AND MAKE YOUR OWN judgement ABOUT THE SHEIKH and what He WROTE IN THAT BOOK. I like it and it is one of my best treasures I ever found. That is all I can tell you about the name WAHHAABI and the reasons behind it. They will tell you he opposed his sheikhs and called them disbelievers blah blah. But the truth is, A SHEIKH can't be obeyed if he goes against the teachings of Allah and his messenger may peace be upon him. I would go against my father if he told me something islam doesn't teach. So, in conclusion , since you are able to discern the facts from the falsification and can use your own judgement, WHY NOT SEE THE BOOK and read it and then decide whether it is bad or good or according to islam or against it?. Take care.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 06:57 pm Waxaan la hadlayaa suufiyada, ashaacirada akhwaanka, walaalayaal anigu waxaan wax ka aqaan cudurka dilaaga ah ee dadka maskaxda ka gala ee WAHAABIYA loo yaqaanno.Cudurkaasi marka uu qofka ku dhoco waxaa ka dhumaya koontroolka wuxuuna qofku bilaabayaa inuu col la noqdo dadka kuwa ugu xaqa badan sida waalidkiisa oo uu yiraahdo nikaax xalaal ah iguma ay dhalin, macallinkiisa ama shiikhiisa oo uu gaalnimo ku xukumo iwm. Baaritaan dhawaan la sameeyay ayaa sheegay astaamaha cudurka wahaabiyada ee dadka waala lagu garto waxaana ka mid ah sida ay dhakhaatiirtu sheegeen: (1)qofka oo aad u caatooba ama aad u cayila (2) qofka oo ilooba inuu isdaryeelo oo markaas garkiisu aad u dheeraado surweelkiisuna aad u gaabto (3)qofka oo ku hadla hadallo iska hor imaanaya markuu damco inuu wax wanaajiyana wax kharribaya iyo astaamo kale oo badan. Waxay ii sheegeen kuwo waallida wahaabiyada rabbi ka daaweeyay kadib markii Qur'aan badan lagu aqriyay inay ku kici jireen falal aad u xun. Nin dhawr sano ka hor ka soo daahay waallida wahaabiyada ayaa igu yiri Kismaanyo ayaan ku tooganay gabdho rabay inay nala qaxaan, maxaa yeelay ma xijaabnayn! Kuwo kale oo aan wali caafimaadin laakiin daawo u socoto oo ka mid ah salafiya jadiida ayaa iyaguna sheegay inay macallinkoodii ku dileen dagaalkii Gedo intay itixaadka ahaayeen. Marka walaalayaal dhalinyarada waa in loo sabraa laguna dadaalaa daawayntooda. laakiin haddaad caydaan ama aad la murantaan ogaada dad waalan inaad la murmaysaan wixii ka yimaadana adinkaa ka mas'uul ah ee iyagu mas'uul kama aha maxaa yeelay waaba jiranyihiin. Aan ku dadaalno sidaan walaaleheen u daawayn lahayn ee yaanan ku dadaalin sidaan u sii waali lahayn, waa iga talo.
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 07:08 pm salamu aleykum To : Anonymous I want to tell nice story when you said something about sharif abdiNur..the scholar... I want to say..man while he was teaching talked about imam Malik(not good manner)...So the scholar saw him and he said: the resembelence of you and Malik is like a man who came between two river and then he urinated then he thought it was third river....(I just remember this I liked to share it to you).... Salamu aleykum
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 07:09 pm WAHABIYAH (ism) Wahaabiyada waxaa aasaasay looguna magac daray Maxammed Cabd-ul Wahab Ibnu Sulaymaan oo u dhashay reer Tamiim, isla markaana ah reer Najdi.[Najdi waa meeshii Nebiga (CSW)uu 3 jeer diiday inuu u duceeyo].Wuxuu ninkaasi dhashay sanadkii 1111-tii Hijriyada. Qur'aanka iyo fiqhiga wuxuu ka bartay kana akhristay Aabihii C/wahab oo ahaa sheekh wayn oo la yaqaan. Ka dibna xajka ayuu aaday, isaga oo uga sii gudbay Madina halkaas oo uu joogay laba bilood. Dabadeedna wuxu ku soo laabtay magaaladii aabihii joogay ee Al-Cuyayna, hlkaas oo uu kaga tixmay dersigii uu aabihii akhrinayey. Wuxuu halakaas ka sii aaday Ciraaq isagoo doonayey inuu cilmiga u xeraysto. Magaalada Basra wuxuu kula kulmay sheekhyaal uu ka mid ahaa Sheikh Muxammad Al-Majmuuci. Halkaas Maxammed C/wahab wuxuu ka muujiyey figradiisii waxaana ku kacay oo ka horyimid culumadii halkaa joogtay iyadoo eed loo qabsaday cidii uu xerta u ahaa. Waxaana lugu qasbay Maxammed C/wahab inuu sida ugu dhaqsiyaha badan uga boxo magaalada, wuxuuna u cararay tuulada Azzubayr isagoo uga sii gudbay mandiqada Al-Axsaa, halkaas oo uu culumadii kula dooday arrimo ku saabsan caqiidada. Meeshana waa laga eryey, wuxuuna soo aaday dhanka aabihii oo markaa joogay magaalada Xureymala taariikhdu markay ahayd 1140-kii Hijriyada oo ku aadan 1720 miilaadiyada. ***Si aan uga jawaabo, "Waa maxay Wahaabiyo? ayaan u soo qaatay horu dhacan oo aan sii wadi doono, dabadeedna jawaabtu iyadaa halkaa ka cadaan doonto. ***Maqaaladan waxaad ka heli kartaa kutubada wahaabiyadu qortay ee ay ka mid yihiin 1-Cinwaan-un-najdi Aliife Ibn-ul-Bishri An-najdiyi 2-Taariikhul-ul-Najdi, Allife Xuseen Ibnu Qanaa 3-Caqiidatu Muxammad Ibni-Cabd-il Wahab Assalafi, Allife Dr. Alwahab iyo kuwa kale oo badan Waa socotaa inshaa'allah
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| | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 09:18 pm WAHABISM AND ITS REFUTATION BY AHL AS-SUNNA Although they say they are muslims, wahabis, also called najdis,are one of the groups who departed from the ahl as-sunna. Whabisim was established by Muhammad ibn abdu al-wahhab he was born in huraimila in Najd in 1111 (1699 A.D.) and died in 1206 (1791 A.D.) Formerly, he had been to Basra, Baghdad, Iran, Indiya and Damascus with a view to travelling and trade.there he found a read books writen by Ahmed ibn Taimiyya of Harran (661-728(1263-1328)in Damascus], the contents of which were incompatible with the Ahl as-Sunna. Being a very cunning person , he became known as ash-Shaikh an-Najd. Then he stared writing his book kitab at-tawhid,which was annotated by his grandson,abd ar-Rahman and was interpolated and published in Egypt with the title fat’h al-majid by a Wahhabi called muhammd hamid. Muhammad abd al-wahhab’s ideas spread among villagers,the inhabitants of dar’iyya and their chief, Muhhamah Ibn Su’ud as those who accepted his ideas, which he termed Wahhabiyya, are called Wahhabis or Najdis .they increased in number ,and he imposed himself as the qadi and Muhammad Ibn Su-ud the amir (ruler). He declared it as law that only their own descendants should succeed them. Muhammad’s father, abd al-Wahhab who was a pious muslim and a scholar of Madina, apprehended from Muhammad Ibn abd al-wahhab’s words that he would star a perverted movement and advised everybody not to talk with him. But he proclaimed Wahhabism in 1150(1737 A.D.) he spoke ill of the ijtihads of the ulama of islam. He went so far as to call the ahl Sunna "disbilievers." He said that he who visited the shrine of a Prophet or wali and addressed him as "Ya Nabi-Allah" (O Prophet of Allah) or as "Ya abd al-Qadir" would become a polytheist (mushrik) The Wahhabi point of viewis that he who says that anybody besides Allah ta-ala did something becomes a polytheist, a disbeliever. for example, he who says "such and such medicine relieved the pain" or 'Allah ta-ala accepted my prayers near the tomb of such and such a Prophet or wali"becomes apolytheist.to prove these ideas he puts forth as documents the ayad al-karim (only thy help we ask) The Wahhabis and other la-madhhabi people cannot comprehend the meannig of majaz and isti’ara(metaphor) whenever somebody says that he did something,they call him a polytheist or disbeliever though his expression is a majaz.however Allah ta-ala declares in many ayats of Qur’an al-karim that he is the real maker of every act and that man is majazi maker. Every muslim knows that Allah ta-ala alone is the one who gives life and takes lafe away ,for he declares: “he alone gives and tekes life,”in the 56th ayat of the surat Yunas, in the 11th ayat of the suratas-Sajda, he says as majaz “the angel who is appoited as the deputy to take life takes your life.” To ask for shafa’a (intercession) and help from Rasulullah(alaihi s-salam) and the awliya ,does not mean to turn away from Allah ta-ala or to forget that he is the Creator. It is like expecting rain from him through the cause or means(wasita)of clouds; expecting cure from him by taking medicine; expecting victory from him by using cannons,bombs, rockets and aeroplanes. Wahhabism was spread not through knowledge but through cruelty and bloodshed by ignorant people. Inshaa Allah will con.
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 12:13 am Thank you formerguest. That is the most sensable statement i have ever heard. I am not afraid to read a book and i will try my best to find a copy, as you said i will not be able to make any decision as to wether or not i agree with what is in it until i read it for myself. Excellent advice. If they stock it in muslim shops i'll have a copy soon. To the rest of you please think about what you say and be objective... if you attack someone for their difference, you only make them withdraw further into what ever they believed before they heard your comment. I don't believe there is any excuse for ignorant exchange of dialogue. As was so clearly stated by formerguest you have the opportunity to read and learn and discriminate between truth and falsehood for yourself. Believe me a lot of information that is on the internet that we just copy and paste sharing with our bros&sisters is fake and there are anti-islamic groups out there that will do what ever it takes to divide us and cause us to all hate each other. May allah forgive us all if we falsely placed wrong information in front of our brothers and sisters... Salamu calaykum
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 06:17 am Asalamu aleikum My dear brothers and sisteres Allah (SWT) said "Know therefore that there is no god save Allah and then ask foregivness for your sin.) Allah (SWT) said "Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him." Suratu Muhamad These verses and many otheres in the holly Quran tells us not to worship any other gods except Allah. Also whoever addresses any form of worship to any other beside Allah partly or wholly is an associationist and a disbeliever. As Allah (SWT) said " Whoever invokes any other deity along with Allah, whereof he has no proof, he shall have to give an account to his lord. Such a disblievers can never attain succsess.) This is partly the da'wa of the Shiekh Al Islam Mohammad Ben Abdul Wahhab (Raximihu Laah). So dear brothers and sisters to say a bad things about a scholler is a sin and dangruose,I would advice you to read shiekhs before you mention him in here. your brother Jowzi Asalamu Aleikum.
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 05:27 pm MAHAMMAD CABDI WAHAAB:ISSAGU MARKUU ISKA HADLAYAY Wuxuu yiri "Anigu waxaan idinkaga khabrayaa naftayda,ilaahay uusan ilaah kale jirin baan ku dhaartaye, cilmi baan dalbay markaasay waxay ii citiqaadiyeen dadkii aniga igaranaayay(waa dadkii raacaye)aqoon inay ii sugnaatay waqtigaasna ma aqoon micnaha laa ilaaha illa-laah, diinta islaamkana ma aqoon khayrkaan Ilaahay igu manaystay ka hor[oo wahaabiyonimada ah,tolow ma nabinimuu sheeganayay xaggee khayrku uga yimid?] Waxaa sidoo kale ahaa mashaaikhdayda, qofkii yiraahda micnaha laa ilaaha illa-laah baan aqaanay ama micnaha diinta islaamka waqtigaan ka hor[ xataa nabigii scw] ama sheekhiisa kasheega inuu yaqaanay been buu sheegay naftiisana waa amaanay" ayadoo carabi ahna waa tan "Wa'ana ukhbirukum can nafsii, wallaahil-ladii laa ilaaha illaa huwa laqad dalabtu al-cilma wactaqada man carafanii anna lii macrifah, wa'ana daalika al-waqta maa acrifu macnaa laa ilaaha illal-laah walaa acrifu diinal-islaam qabla haadal-khayri alladii mannallaahu bihi, wakadaalika mashaaikhii maa mihum rajulun carafa, faman zacama min culamaail-caalam annahu carafa macnaa laa ilaaha ill-laah aw carafa macnal-islaam qabla haadal-waqti[xataa Nabiga csw iyo saxaabadii kama uu reebin] aw zacama can mashaaikhihi anna axadan carafa daalika faqad kaddaba waftaraa walabbasa calan-naasi wamadaxa nafsahu bimaa laysa fiihi" ka eeg arintaas Taariikh al-najdi risaalada 10aad, juska 2aad, bogga (137)uu qoray Xusayn bin Gannaam oo ahaa ardaygii Maxamad C/wahaab. WAA SOCOTAA
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 08:05 pm AHLUL HADDITH ISKU SHEEG Beenlow baa tahay. Dr. Gabriel Hadda waxne kuma taqaanid, Shaykh Mohammed Hisham Qabbani waxbo kama taqaanid, Maxamad Ibn CabdulWahaab waxbo kama taqaanid. Allahaaga ka baq oo wuu ku maqlayaa kuna arkayaa. Beenta iska dhaaf. Ha dhihin dadka kale waxbaad "cut & paste" aad ku samaaysay adigoo dad kale wax "cut & paste" ku samayeen mar labaad "cut & paste" ku samaynaaya. Sida meesha aad leedahay, to those who fighting and think there are Sunni>>> ya sunni sister... you pasting to us Prof Hadad.. do you think we don't know him!!!, you took some of these from the Kabbani homepage nashaqabaddi.. YOU CONSIDER KNOWING SOMEONE THROUGH SO.CULTURE AS KNOWING SOMEONE. CONVINCE ME I AM IN CONTACT WITH HIM DAILY. NAQSHABANDIS PRACTISE TRADITIONAL ISLAM AS QAADIRIS BY 98% SOMALIS AND THE REST OF AHLU-SUNNAH WAL-JAMMACAH, FROM CHINA TO SENEGAL, FROM SOUTH AFRICA TO SPAIN, BOSNIA TO MORROCO, UNLIKE WAHABBISM LIMITED TO SAUDI ARABIA, do you belive that they say ... it's ok to call upon jinn!!!, for help... WHERE DO THEY SAY THAT? BESIDES JINNS ARE SERVANTS OF ALLAH AND SO ARE THE 911 PEOPLE AND THE DOCTORS YOU CALL FOR HELP. and to ask dead for help and things you only ask Allah..!!! ALLAH SAYS IN HOLY QURAN DO NOT CALL THOSE THAT DIED IN THE WAY OF ALLAH, DEAD, FOR THEY ARE ALIVE AND ALLAH IS PROVIDING FOR THEM AS TRADITIONAL MUSLIMS AND SOMALIS WE SAY NO TO WAHABISM BUT YES TO OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS. SOON YOU PEOPLE MIGHT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE RECITATION OF ATTAXAYAAT DURING PRAYER AND TAKE OUT "ASALAMU CALAYKA YAA RASULLALAH", PEACE BE TO YOU, O MESSENGER OF ALLAH", ALXAMDULLILAH HE HEARS. AACUUDI BILLAHI MINA SHAYDHAANI RAJIIMI WA FITNATUL WAHAABIYAH. MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL. AGHITHNAA YAA RASUULALAH.
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 08:36 pm To:Dhamaantiin Wxaan aad u layaabanahay dad ka doonaya in ay bartaan maanta macnaha Wahaabiyada. wahaabiyadu Waxay leeyihiin Sadex Twxiid Taasoo macnaheedu yahay Sade Ilaah in ay caabudaan.Subxaanalaah Goormay waxdaaniyadii Allah noqotay Sadex ? sidee bayse caqliga ugadaadagaysaa in Hal sifo ay yeelato sadex waxdaaniyo? Yaase ii sheegi kara waxay ay ku kala duwanyihiin ayga iyo Kirishtaaniyadu Maxaa yeelay iyaguba waxay sheegaan sadex taa lamid ah in ay caabudaa sida " god , Son , iyo mid kale oonan fahamsanayn waxay tahay" . Wahaabiyiintu waxay rabaan markaad aamintid tawxiidkooda (waa mar aad diintii kabaxdaye) in ay kuu sheegaan in uu maxamed Cabdul wahaab Ahaa nabi taana madiidi karo qof iimaankii allah kasiibay oo mar hore qirtay sadex ilaah. Waa cudur xun oo sii fidaya wahaabiyadu ee waxaa looga bad baadi karaa in Macbuudka loo toobad keeno, shareecada islaamkana la barto ayadaa ku kala tusaysa waxa fiican iyo cudurada diinta la soo galiyay. Badbaado Allah....Aamiin
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 08:42 pm Shaikh Suleyman, Muhammad Ibn abdu al-Wahhab’s brother was an aalim of ahl as-Sunna this blessed person refuted Wahhabism in his book ASWA’IQ AL-ILAHIYYA FII RADDI ALAL-WAHHABIYYA and deterred the dissemination of its heretical tenets.Muhammad Ibn abdu al-Wahhab’s teachers, who realized that he had opened a way leading to evil, refuted his corrupt books. They announced that he had deviated from the right way. They proved that Wahhabis gave wrong meanig to ayads and hadiths. For example they use the ayads sent down to polytheists for Muslims, and likening the muslims to idolatrous disbelievers is completely wrong. Another person who realezed that Muhammad Ibn abdu al-Wahhab had wrong ideas and would be harmful later on and who gave advice to him was Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Suleyman al- Madani (d.in Madina in 1194/1780,rahimah-Allahu ta-ala) he says “O muhammad Ibn abdu al-Wahhab! don’t slander muslims! I Advice you for Allah ta-ala sake. Yes if someone says that someone other then Allah ta-ala creates actions ,tell him the truth!but those who cling to causes(wasila) and who believe that both causes and the effective power in them are created by Allah ta-ala cannot be called disbelievers. You are a muslim, too. It would be more correct to call one muslim a ‘heretec’ than calling all muslims as such.he who leaves the community is more likely to go astray.
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 08:50 pm To:Mercano Thank you Brother,jaza ka Allahu khayran
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| | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 08:57 pm To:MERCANO Fahamka diintaa ku gu yar ee wahaabiyadaa dhimata oo ku jira shalaa iyo yaa maanta aduunka ee celiya ee Mu'miniintu waa nool yihiin qabrigoodayna ku noolyihiin Wixii khayr ahaa oo Allah u balan qaaday bayna haystaan ,Waana kaa maqalbadanyihiin adiga iyo Wahaabiyo oo dhan .Mar kuu yimid Rasuulkeenee ( S.C.W) qabuurihii dadkii ku dhintay Jihaadka wuu lahadlay Shahiidiintii sidoo kale waxuu lahadlay gaaladii waxuuna sheegay in ay mqlayaan.Jini iyo 911 waxaad kutilmaantay inta aan ahayn wahaabiyo balse hadii aad naga soocday wahaabiyo waxba kamaqabo.Mida kale waxbaa iskaga kaa qasane oo waaba hubaa in markii aad joogatay Soomalia aanad dad Ahlu cilmi ah aanad hor fariisane Soomaalidu waa wada Ahlu-sunna waljamaaca inat aan ka ahayn xoogaaga yar oo iimaanka ala kaqaaday oo wahaabiyaoday. Allah ayaan ka magan galay Wahaabiyada iyo khiyaanooyinkooda.
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 09:34 am CILMI AS SALAMU CALAYKUM WA RAXMATULLAHI WA BARAKAATUHU. WA SALAATU WA SALAAMUN CALAA KHAYRU KHALQIHII SAYIDDINA MUXAMMAD CALAYHI AFDHALU SALAATU WA SALAAM WA CALAA AHLU BAYTIHI DHAAHIRIIN. HORTA MAR KALE KU NOQO WAXA AAN ANIGA QORAY. ISKU JIHA AYAAN UJEEDNAA. AHLU SUNNAH WAL JAMAACA AYAAN IS LANAHAY. WAANE RUNTAA, RUNTII CILMIGA AAD BUU IGU YARYAHAY, LAAKIN FITNATUL WAHAABIYA WAAN ISLA ARAGNAY OO SHARTEEDA UMMADDA KALE IYO ANAGABA ALLAH NAGA WADA HAAYO. AAMIIN YAA RABBAL CALAMIIN. WA CALAYKUM WA SALAAM SUNNI-SIS ALLAH REWARD YOU ON YOUR EFFORTS. THIS IS, 'CASRUL JAHILLIYA AL-THANI'. THE SECOND COMING OF JAHILIYAA. SIDUU ZULFA YIRI, 'DALADAA IIGU DEEYEE DUCADII AW DIINLA NUUR, S.C.W.S.'
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 01:24 pm Salaam Aleiku Walaalka Qoraalka Qoray horta walaaal markaad hadal qoreysid waa inuu sal lee yahay, hadal maaha ducada ayey diidaan sida dadka Cilmi dhagoodka yaqaan, Islaamku waa cad yahay marka wax cad soo qor sida Bro Nur i sheegay ii kale. TO:Sunni Sis Sis instead of using Copy and paste try to use your own may words its better.
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 06:39 pm Founders of Wahhabiyah movement Muhammad Ibn Su-ud was the amir(rular) of that time and Muhammad Ibn abd al-Wahhab was qadi, (judge) their desire was to increase their power and to extend their lands and territories. They forced the Arab tribes to become Wahhabi, they killed those who did not believe them. Villagers from fear of death, obeyed the amir of dar’ayya, Muhammad Ibn Su-ud. Becoming soldiers of the amir suited their desires to attack the property, life and chastity of non-Wahhabis. Of the cruel who soaked their hands with blood in this way, the amir of dar-iyya Muhammad Ibn Su-ud, was the most stone-hearted. this man was of the bani hanifa tribe and was one of the descendants of those idiots who had believed Musailamat al-kadhab as a prophet.he died in 1178(1765 A.D.).and was succeeded by his son Abd-ul-aziz,who in his turn, was slain by a shiite in 1217.he was succeeded by his son Sa-ud, who died in 1231.his son Abdullah, took his place,only to be executed in Istanbul in 1240.his place was taken by Tarki bin Abdullah, a granson of Abd-ulaziz’s.the person to succeed him ,in 1254, was his son faisal,who in his turn was succeeded by his son abdullah in 1282.his brother abd-ur-rahmanand his son Abd-ul-aziz settled in Kuwait. In 1319 [1901 A.D.]Abd-ul-aziz moved to Riyad and became the amir. In 1918 he attacked Mekka in cooperation with the Britith. In 1351[1932A.D ] he established the State of Sa’udi Arabia. We read in newspapers issued in 1991 that Fahad, the Emir of Su’ud, had sent four billion dollars as an aid to the Russian disbelieves who had been fighting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 06:55 pm Salamu aleykum Mercano you said I'm lyer... then you tell me to fear Allah, and Allah is watching me, well how come you don't tell this advice to your self....when did you know me that I said a lye.. As your statement that you said to fear Allah, thanks,... insha Allah I will do it as much I could..insha Allah when I said I know them it means we know them by what they call....and their writing not I know them personally...you Said I don't know ibn Abdul wahab..well at least I read some of his books..and then made judgement .... Kabbani the leader of Nashaqabndi is really known..to USA muslim.thats why I said we know them.... specially what he done when he went to USA goverement and complained about the muslims and said strange statments, and said statments even muslims who are non salafi went against him more than 80 or 90 orgnaztion and mosques signed and went against him....even some sufi went against him. still we see Nashaqabdi he is their Imam in USA.... I don't like to argue this Board was peacefull...until people came posting Wahab = kuffar... wahab vs muslim Aurgment is not the way Of Scholars of hadith... I hope this post will be my last... let me ask every one? when you go to the Hajj who is the person leading Salat in Kaaba(is not the Imam of masjid haram Salafi)? So if he is on the creed of kufr! then you telling me that muslim who make Hajj every year their salat in Kabba is invalid since they are prying behind kuffar!!! This religon is not by ibn abdul wahab this religon came from Allah,,.... Sh.bin abdul wahab... what ever he said tha goes against the prophet statement we will not take it...his book kitab tahweed 95% of the book is only Quran and hadith...thats it... ------- I can't change you people but I will leave up to Allah to judge us in the day of judement it's really sad we are divided... I mean if I said Harsh statement to any one I take back.. I really love good for you all and my self... Lets make Quran and the Sunnah the source we go back... All I could say is I Call upon Allah for the thing only done by him... when I get sick I call him... I will not invoke Sh.Jelani or any saint or prophet even though I like them... Do you think Allah will punish me for this ? I love the prophet peace be upon him I will say salam ya rusla Allah but I will not say Oh the prophet heal me, oh the prophet give me wealth oh the prophet help me!!!... I will not make taweel because the four Imam didn't make Taweel...Abdul Gadir jelani our Sheikhul islam didn't make taweel...he was on the Creed of Imam Ahmed and read his book Gunyatul talib hak... why don't you guys call him mujasim? Imam jelani said Allah is over his throne ironically the sufi Gadri say their are following his way...well how come they don't take his Creed on the sifat... Sh.jelani was salafi(meaning following the way of salaf) he didn't make Taweel... you guys claim to be on the way of four imams.. and take their teaching how come you are not on their fundementals was Imam Ahmed Maturdee?!! or Ashari? was Imam Malik Maturdee or Ashari? or Imam abu hanifa or shafi... their statment are written they don't not make Taweel and they were against it... read figh Akbar by abu hanifa yu will see suprise.. Imam Malik, Imam Shafi statment on not making Taweel is available.. by the way who was more knowledgable in Ageeda four imams = or Maturdee or Imam Ashari? You people are contradicitng your self... you state you follow the four Imams, but you don't follow them on the Creed you follow them on figh.. You say you follow Jelani you don't follow him on his Creed!! Anyways I hope this last post on this folder insha Allah wasalmu aleykum ============================
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 07:50 pm To:MERCANO Walaalkayow iga raali ahow ,Qoraalkaaga waa aqriyey ee waxaan soo qaatay magacaaga si khalad ah . Aaway bidcadii xummayd ee wahaabiyada ahay .Shaydaanka marka laga cow2dubilaysto waa waa cararaa asagoo xaar shubaya Wahaabiyiintuna waasidaas oo kale .Mar labaad saaxiib MERCANO iga raali ahw. Allah bidcada habaa basho xaqana ha u hiiliyo.
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| | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 12:55 am AHLULHADITH, AS SALAMU CALAYKUM WA RAXMATULLAHI WA BARAKAATUHU. BUT YOU DID NOT CLARIFY AS YOU ARE CLARIFYING NOW. YOU MUST REMEMBER, PEOPLE CANNOT READ WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT ONLY WHAT YOU WRITE. NOW YOU ARE SAYING, “when I said I know them it means we know them by what they call....and their writing not I know them personally” ALXAMDULLILAH, THIS IS DIFFERENT AND CLEAR. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. WHEN YOU WRITE, “...you Said I don't know ibn Abdul wahab..well at least I read some of his books..and then made judgement ....” SO THEN YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW MAXAMMAD IBN CABDULWAHAB, EXCEPT A JUDGEMENT THROUGH HIS BOOKS. "Kabbani the leader of Nashaqabndi is really known..to USA muslim.thats why I said we know them.... specially what he done when he went to USA goverement and complained about the muslims and said strange statments,” HERE YOU ARE LYING AGAIN AND CREATING FITNA, YOU ARE SAYING HE COMPLAINED ABOUT MUSLIMS. ABOUT HIMSELF?, BECAUSE HE IS MUSLIM. ABOUT HIS TEACHINGS?, BECAUSE HE IS TEACHING ISLAM. AGAIN, WATCH WHAT YOU WRITE, NOT TO SAY LATER, I MEAN THIS, I MEAN THAT, ETC. “and said statments even muslims who are non salafi went against him more than 80 or 90 orgnaztion and mosques signed and went against him....even some sufi went against him.” ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WROTE ON THIS THREAD AGAINST WAHABBISM ARE THE VOICES OF THE SILENT MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD AND ARE FURSTRATED WITH THE WAHABI FITNA. KILLING OF MUSLIMS COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. IN THE U.S., WAHABIS HIJACKED THE MIC OF THE SILENT MAJORITY AND WHEN SHAYKH KABBANI STOOD UP, THEY TOOK HIS STATEMENT, REVERSED THE MEANING, AND ATTACKED HIM. ALL MUSLIMS AGREE WITH ME THAT IF YOU OPEN A MOSQUE OR A CENTER, WAHABIS ON PAYROLE WITH MORE TIME THAN ANYONE ELSE APPEAR FROM NORTH, SOUTH, ABOVE, BELOW, LEFT AND RIGHT, TO TAKE OVER. ‘BROTHER, ELECT A BOARD, WHO IS THE BOARD?, WHO IS THE TREASURER?, MAKE ELECTION. SHORTLY THERE ARE ALL THESE FIGHTS, MAWLID IS HARRAM, THIS IS KUFFUR, THAT IS SHIRK, DHIKRULLAH, TAXMIID, TASBIIX, TAXLIIL ARE ALL BIDCA!!!!!!!!! I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT THEY WERE ATTACKING SHAYKH KABBANI FROM THE DAY HE PUT FOOT IN U.S. SOIL, 1991. THIRTY AND SO YEARS THEY COULD NOT BRING PEOPLE TO ISLAM, CENTERS STILL FILLED WITH 97% IMMIGRANTS, WHILE SHAYKH KABBANI HAS GUIDED BY ALLAH'S WILL OVER 70,000 IN THE U.S. TO ISLAM AND STILL GROWING AT AN INCREDIBLE RATE. HIS CENTERS REFLECT TO THE GEOGRAPHY, AS PEOPLE OF TRADITIONAL ISLAM WERE ABLE TO SPREAD ISLAM FROM EAST TO WEST. BROTHER AHLULHADITH, THE KABBANI-U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT FIASCO, HAS RESULTED IN A MASS RESIGNATION FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS YOU REFERED TO AS 80/90 ORGS. MANY OF THE SIGNATORIES OF THE CONDEMNATION OF SHAYKH KABBANI ARE QUOTED AS INDICATING THEY WERE NEVER CONSULTED ABOUT THE MATTER, DID NOT GIVE THEIR PERMISSION TO INCLUDE AS SIGNITORIES, AND WERE NOT AWARE OF THE CONTROVERSY. THERE WAS A MASSIVE FRAUD AND FORGERY, TYPICAL OF WAHABI STYLE. AS A RESULT OF THERE IS AN ARTICLE, ‘The dictatorial practices of the leadership” –from a letter signed by 20 prominent members of ICNA who resigned. SHAYKH KABBANI WAS WARNING MUSLIMS IN THE U.S., NOT U.S. GOVERNMENT(THE GOV'T ALREADY KNOWS, THIS IS IN RECORD AVAILABLE), AGAINST BLINDLY SUPPORTING AND DONATING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN ANTI-ISLAM TERRORIST ACTS. THIS WAS AN EFFORT TO SAVE MUSLIMS IN U.S. FROM CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND LAW SUITS, SUCH AS THE CURRENT ONE FILLED BY THE PARENTS OF DAVID BOIM. IN CASE YOU DO NOT KNOW, ON JANUARY 15,THIS YEAR (2001), A U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS HAS DENIED A MOTION TO DISMISS A $200MILLION SUIT BROUGHT AGAINST HOLY LAND FOUNDATION, THE QURANIC LITERACY INSTITUTE, ISLAMIC ASSOCIATION FOR PALESTINE, AMERICAN MUSLIM SOCIETY, AMERICAN MIDDLE EASTERN LEAGUE & UNITED ASSOCIATION FOR STUDIES AND RESEARCH, ALL OPERATING IN THE U.S. HIJACKING MOSQUES AND ISLAMIC CENTER ADMINSTRATION AND SOLICITING FOR DONATIONS. DAVID BOIM WAS AN ISRAELI-AMERICAN TEENAGER KILLED IN A 1996 SHOOTING IN THE WEST BANK. THESE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS HAS KNOWINGLY CHANELLED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HAMMAS. ACCORDING TO THE U.S. LAWS IF YOU DONATED ONE DOLLAR TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS YOU ARE LIABLE. LEAST IF THE CASE IS LOST BY THESE ORGANIZATIONS YOUR MONEY WENT TO....INSTEAD OF.... I personally heard when Shaykh Kabbani said, "Tomorow when problems arise for the Muslim Ummah in U.S., I shall at least say, I have warned you." IT IS THIS KIND OF ..... THAT DRIVES US, AHLU SUNNAH WAL JAMMACAH, SOUR AGAINST WAHABISM. BROTHER AHLULHADITH I DO BELIEVE THAT YOUR LOYALTY TO WAHABISM IS WITH SINCERITY, IKHLAS, LIKE MANY OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT I KNOW. MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL. THANK YOU MY DEAR BROTHER. MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME AND BLESS YOU.
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| | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 01:17 am Mercano I got this from the this forums, please read and respond, I know as your neighbor from Mogadiscio, Merca people to be intelligent enough to read and understand. Tell me if you agree with this writer. We live in the 21 century, 15 centuries ago, Allah sent a prophet (SAWS) for mankind, he was raised in Makkah, present day Saudi Arabia, from a tribe called qwuraish who are the decendants of Ismail and Abraham (aleyhimaa assalam). He was sent to an Arab speaking people, therefore he communicated with them in Arabic language. Quraish was the center of attention of all Arabs at the time as it controlled the holly Kaaba, a tribute erected by Abraham and his son Ismail for the remembrance og Allah on earth. These days, life was simple, there was no TV, Radio, newspapers, sitcoms, tabloids and the WWW. So people communicated one-on-one and they enjoyed poetry and oratory in public places, similar to the ancient Greeks and Romans. They mastered the language early in their childhood, and as adults they were quick to understand the meaning of every word. When the prophet SAWS called for Islam, they asked him about the essense of his message. The prophet told them ( My message is laa ilaaha illa Allahu) A bedouin responded, (then all Arabs and non Arabs wil fight you). The bedouin new the meaning of the word ILAAH in Arabic language. This brings us to the core issue, TERMINOLOGY. understanding these terminology the way the SALAF understood it, will make us do what they did. SALAF is not a group of people,it is a time period in history, in which Islam blossomed, and the word of Allah reached the corners of the world. Today we are trying to understand what used to drive these people to do monumental achievements in every sphere of life. The key in that understanding lies in the components of the very word that changed history " Laa ilaaha Ilaa Allah)" Once Quraish heard the word, they became alarmed. why? because they understood its far reaching meaning more than most muslims understand today. This strategy to present this Word before all the detais of Islam's social change was not the choice of our prophet Muhammad SAWS. He was commanded. There is a Hikmah. So, how can the decendants of the father of TAWXIID Ibraahim, Caleyhi Salaam, put three hundered and fifty asnaam (Gods) inside a house dedicated to the sole reverence of Allah, the one and only? It is all about terminology. Just like Satan persuaded Adam and Hawaa, to eat from the forbidden tree, calling it ( Shajaratul Khuld), Satan inspired Quraish to worship extensions of Allah through what they have claimed as his daughters, just as Christians today ascribe a son to Allah as an extension of the Real Ilaah (subhaanahu wa tacalaa camma yaquuluuna culuwan kabeera). So Sheitaan inspired them to select the names of these goddesses from the root name of Allah, to make it easy for people ta accept it (like copying a trade mark with slight change, like naming your supermarket SAFESTWAY instead of SAFEWAY, or naming your autopart shop TRECKAUTO instaead of TRAKAUTO). So they named the first godess ( Al Laata, from Allah and Al Uzza, From Al Azeez etc.) This tactic in Arabic language is called ILXAAD, Allah mentioned in the Quraan saying " Inna ladeenu yulxiduuna fee asmaaih laa yakhfowna calaynaa)". (Those who change the purpose behind the meaning of His Names, are not hidden from our view) It means swaying the purpose apart from the name. Just like unsuspecting SAFEWAY customers can shop at a phony store called SAFESTWAY, The decendants of Abraham were sawyed by SATAN to worship others beside Allah therby sheitan scored a point to support his promise to mislead mankind. When Prophet Muhammad came with his message, he challenged quraish that all but Allah is fake as an ILAAH. But what does ILAAH mean. The root meaning of the word ILAA caomes from the Arabic word (ALIHA) the masdar of this word means among others: 1. To seek a protection ( Like an infant seeks mother's love , wormth and protection) 2. To seek a rescuer ( in times of distress) 3. To seek the highest authority, no one scapes from ( Jurisdiction and Sovreighnty). 4. It meant leadership. ( ZACIIM UL QOWM) 5. Any thing one follows even desires is called ilaah Now when all these meaning were assigned to Allah alone, Quraish had a reason to be alarmed. After all they were the masters of the Arabs at the time. They controlled the trade routes, the Pilgramage and the business it created, The slave trade, Gambling, fornication, drinking and all social evils. They were the losers if the system changed and Muhammad came with a very radical view of the world and how it should be run. They offered him to lead Quraish as their Zaciim, if he stops this word. They offered him money, and most beautiful women. But Mohammad SAWS said his famous statement " If they place the sun on my right palm, and the moon on my left palm, I would not stop preaching that man should submit to his creator willingly) (note that all creatures are submiting to Allah unwillingly since they have no control on their creation and death and all natural causes). " and then Allah ( ISTAWAA) on the heavens while it was smoke ( Dust particles) and said to them and the earth "submit willingly or unwillingly" they said, we submit willingly,....." before him Jesus (aleyhi salam) delivered the same message, and the Romans with the help of Jews, planned for his murder, but Allah lifted him up to the heavens and saved him from their wickedness. Today, the word exists, but there is no correspondense between this word and the reality of those who say it, hence, saying shahaada today is like a tenant signing a rental agreement he did no understand, Is such a document binding? scolars say NO. A further proof for the above observation is that this word has not stirred in our lives, what it has stirred in the lives of the SALAF AL SAALIX, before us. They said the word, and its effects were detected in their lives and the entire world. We also said the word, and it has no significant effect on our lives. A wise person shouldn't then fool themselves that the King has still some clothes. A good way to measure understanding of this word, is a measure of actions it creates in our lives.
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| | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 05:50 am THE PERMISSIBILITY OF CELEBRATING THE MEELAD-UN NABI (saw) IN REFUTATION OF THE FATWA OF SHEIKH ABDUL AZIZ BIN BAAZ OF SAUDI ARABIA The Sunni Muslim community should be fully aware and forewarned of the new fitna presently perpetrated by the Jamiatul Ulama (KwaZulu Natal) and the Jamiatul Ulama (Transvaal) on the Internet regarding the issue of an old Fatwa against Eid-e-Meelad-un Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) by "Sheikh" Abdul Aziz bin Baaz of Saudi Arabia. The Fatawa of such like must be met with the fiercest of opposition and open condemnation from all circles. This Fatwa was obviously instituted on the Internet, which is accessed by thousands of computer users, by these "theological" bodies as a flagrant attack on the Imaan and Aqeeda of Sunni Muslims or the righteous followers of the Ahle Sunnah Wa Jamaah, of whose beliefs and teachings the majority of Muslims the world over ascribe to. Muslims must also take cognizance of the fact that among his other Fatawa, Bin Baaz of the Saudi Government is also on record for having issued a Fatwa declaring as un-Islamic the Palestinian people's uprising against the Jewish State of Israel, but at the same time not fulfilling his duty in his own country in issuing Fatawa against the evil practices of the Saudi Royal Family, such as gambling, horseracing, etc. Should this not be his first duty as the Head of Department of Islamic Researches Ifta and Propagation? According to a great Muhaddith, Shams ad-Din Muhammad as-Sahawi (d.902 A.H.), the assembling for Meelad in Muslim history began in the 3rd Century A.H., but Ibn Taymiya (d.728 A.H.), almost five centuries later, was the first to begin argumentation and contention against this practice. In conformity with Ibn Taymiya's beliefs and views which are incompatible with the beliefs of Islam, Bin Baaz, until a few years ago, publicised his condemnation of Meelad-un Nabi by publishing a Fatwa. This Fatwa was met with strong disapproval and displeasure in the Muslim world which regards the celebration of Meelad-un Nabi as a beneficial and desirous act. In opposition and reply to Sheikh Bin Baaz' Fatwa, the distinguished Arab Scholar, Sheikh Sayyid Alawi Maliki, who is an Ustaz of Hadith in the Haram Shareef in Makkah, produced a clear, decisive and well-supported argument in Arabic on the permissibility of Meelad-un Nabi. Sheikh Sayyid Alawi, in his book "Holal Ihtefaal Bezikra-al Moulidin Nabawee al-Shareef" raised some very serious questions to Bin Baaz. He questioned Bin Baaz about his views on the innovations which are being practised "here" (in the Haram Shareef) and which were never practised before, neither in the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time, nor in the period of the Sahaba-Ikraam or of the Salf-e-Saleheen (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in). The practices, which Sheikh Alawi mentioned were those such as: 1. THE FORMING OF A CONGREGATION TO PERFORM TAHAJJUD SALAAH BEHIND AN IMAAM. 2. THE RECITATION OF DU'A AFTER THE QURAN HAS BEEN COMPLETED AT THE END OF RAMADAAN IN TARAWEEH PRAYER. 3. THE GATHERING OF PEOPLE ON THE 27TH OF RAMADAAN AT TAHAJJUD WHERE THE IMAAM DELIVERS A SERMON. 4. THE CALL OF THE MUEZZIN BY SAYING "SALAATUL QIYAAM ATHABAKUMULLAH." Muslims, however, must realise that the Ulema have accepted such practices as Bid'ah, but Bid'ah-e-Hasanah. Also in opposition to Sheikh Bin Baaz' Fatwa, Sheikh Sayed Hashim al-Rifa'ie of Kuwait produced a lengthy Fatwa on the permissibility of Meelad-un Nabi celebrations which triggered off a tremendous increase in Meelad-un Nabi celebrations amongst the Arab populations of the cities of Makkah, Madinah, Jeddah, Ta'if, etc. and in the Gulf States. An academic scholar, Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Abduhu Yamani, the Director of Darul Qibla Institute in Jeddah, who was also the ex-Minister of Information till 1983, and a renowned author in both the Arabic and English languages, recently on the occasion of Meelad-un Nabi celebration had written a detailed essay entitled "Assalatu Wassalaamu Alaika Ya Rasoollallah," which was published in the daily newspaper "Ash Sharqul Ausat." This article was published on the 12th of Rabbi-ul-Awwal in 1987, page 12 of this popular newspaper. His very constructive essay, full of proofs, was well received by the Arabs, and Alhamdulillah, today there is a massive silent movement, known as "Irji'oo Ila Rasoolillah" or "Return to Rasoolullah", in progress. This is a clear reflection and indication that the Arab Muslims have become fully aware of the evils of the Wahabi beliefs and have now turned to reinstating the love of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) as the foundation stone of their Imaan. At the present moment, the Saudi capital in Riyadh has published a 300 page book titled "Al Deobandiyah" written by Sheik Tuwaijeeri which exposes, with proof, the corrupt beliefs of the Ulema of Deoband and how they deviated from Islam on the basis of Aqaa'id. The issue regarding Meelad-un Nabi had always attracted disagreement from some quarters of the Ulema fraternity. Almost 600 years ago Imam Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (b.911 A.H.) had written a treatise on Meelad-un Nabi called "Hasnul Maqsid Fi Amalil Maulid" in which he stated that such a celebration is certainly permissible and Mustahab. In fact, so much has been written on this subject in various languages that there are abundant books to complete a library. Inspite of this, a specific group have always opposed this celebration and had no further proof to offer in support of their argument, other than saying that it is a Bid'ah. For centuries, the Ulema-e-Deen have been produced the Shar'i definition of Bid'ah as an innovation which can be good or bad (Sai'yah or Hasanah). Meelad-un Nabi has been identified as Bid'ah Hasanah, in the same manner as the application of I'raab (Use of zabbar, zehr, pesh, etc.) in the Holy Quran, and the performance of Taraweeh Salaah; in the same manner as the construction of places of learning, e.g. Darul Ulooms, etc. for dissemination of education; in the same manner as Dastaar Bandi which is held on completion of Islamic courses; and the graduation ceremonies which are held on completion of Bukhari Shareef, etc. in Darul Ulooms. This actions were never practised before, neither in the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time, nor in the period of the Sahaba-Ikraam or of the Salf-e-Saleheen. If one has to take the literal meaning of the word "Bid'ah" and abandon or discard the Shar'i meaning, then the Ij'tima for Tableegi purposes will be Bid'ah; the making of Ghusht will be Bid'ah; engaging in Chilla would be Bid'ah; publication of books would be Bid'ah, etc. - all of which would be classed as detestable in the extreme. However, such application of the literal meaning of "Bid'ah" cannot be found the entire period of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), neither can it be found in the period of the Sahabah, nor in the period of Taba'i (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in). We wish to close this article by quoting to you a few authentic books from the thousands available written in earlier centuries by very renowned Ulama and Muhadditheen of that period on the permissibility of the celebrations of Meelad-un Nabi. These books are: 1. Al Mouridil Raweefil Maulideena Nabawee by Imam Mulla Ali Qari 2. At-Ta'rif bi 'l-Mawlidi 'sh-Sharif by Ibn Asir Muhammad al-Jazri (d.833 A.H.) 3. Jameeul Aasaar fee Maulidin Nabeeul Muqhthar by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi 4. Al Fazlur Raaiq fee Mauludi Khairul Khalaaik by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi 5. Maurid Al Saadi fi Maulidil Haadi by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi 6. Al Mouludil Hanni fil Mauludis Sanni by Imam Hafiz Iraqi (b.720 - d.808 A.H.) 7. An Ne'matul Kubra by Imam Ibne Hajjar 8. Hasanul Maqsid by Imam Hafiz Jalal ad-Din Suyuti 9. Meelad-ul Mustapha by Imam Ibne Kathir 10. Bayanu Meeladin Nabi by Imam Ibn Jawzi 11. Jami al-Asar fi Mawlidi 'l-Muhtar by ibn Nasir ad-din ad-Dimishki IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASSIONATE All praise is due to Allah who has guided us to follow the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the leader of the Messengers; who has granted us the capacity to remain steadfast on the pillars and essential principles of Deen Al-Islam; who has made it easy for us to follow the footsteps and way of our pious predecessors, to the extent that our hearts have been illuminated with the knowledge of the Shari'ah and the conclusive argument in favour of the evident truth; and who has kept our internal souls free from the contamination of falsehood. We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in). Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right". Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent". It is every Muslim's duty to show people the truth in anticipation that they would follow it clearly and evidently and certainly not blindly. For truth is as clear as the sun in broad daylight. This brief introduction is due to what we have been hearing recently, as far as the celebration of the birthday of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is concerned. Falsehood is regretabally attributed to such a noble event and mischief is stated as to the illegitimacy of celebrating such an esteemed occasion. Thus leaving ordinary people in a state of confusion not knowing whether they should partake in celebrating the event or otherwise. This is so, since the people who raise objection to the Meelad feel that they are at liberty to fabricate events in Islamic history and the traditions of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Therefore, we felt that it is incumbent upon us, and upon those who possess knowledge of Shari'ah, to clearly explain to the Muslim masses the truth about Meelad. PART ONE IGNORANCE AND LITTLE KNOWLEDGE The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever brings forth an innovation into our religion which is not part of it, it is rejected". The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "Beware of inventive matters for every invention is an innovation and every innovation is evil". Those who quote these two Ahadith claim that the word "Kul" which means "EVERY" or "ALL" which is mentioned in the above two Ahadith is used to include everything, i.e. all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" without any exception. They conclude therefore, that all innovations are "EVIL". By stating such an ill-fated statement, they have in fact accused the scholars (ULAMA) of the Muslim World of committing "EVIL" innovations, particularly Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu). However, they quickly respond and say: No, we did not mean the Companions (SAHABA IKRAAM). In reply to that we say, yes, indeed you did so, because you said "EVERY" or "ALL" innovations are "EVIL". And you have rejected what the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) himself approved, i.e."Tarawih Prayers". We will now quote before you many actions which were not carried out during the life of Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but were in fact done following his demise by his Companions (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in). 1. THE ISSUE OF COMPILING THE QUR'AN IN ONE BOOK Hadrat Zaid bin Thabit (radi Allahu anhu) said: Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) had passed away and the Qur'an has not been compiled into one book! In fact, it was Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) who told Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) to collect the Qur'an. Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) was hesitant at first and he actually said, "How could we do something which the Prophet himself never did". Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) replied, "BUT BY ALLAH IT IS A GOOD THING". Hadrat Zaid (radi Allahu anhu) then said Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) kept coming back and forth until Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) sent after him and assigned him the task of compiling the Qur'an. (Bukhari Shareef) 2. PROPHET IBRAHIM'S STATION (FOOTPRINT). Imam Baihaqi said that Bibi Ayesha (radi Allahu anha), a wife of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said that Prophet Ibrahim's Station (Footprint) was attached to "KAABA" during the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and Abu-Bakr's (radi Allahu anhu) time. It was not until the time of Hazrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) who changed its original position. Ibn Hajar, the great Muhaddith said: None of the companions raised any objection against Hazrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) for doing so and he was the first person to cover Prophet Ibrahim's Station (Footprint) in the state it is now. 3. THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SECOND AZAAN DURING FRIDAY PRAYER Imam Baihaqi narrated that Sayyiduna Al-Saa'eb bin Zaid (radi Allahu anhu) said: The first call (AZAAN) for Friday Prayer commenced when the Imam sat on the Pulpit (MIMBAR). This was the practice during the Prophet's, (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) Hazrat Abu-Bakr's and Hazrat Umar's time. But when Hazrat Uthman (radi Allahu anhuma) came, he introduced the second Azaan. 4. SENDING PRAISE AND SALAAMS UPON THE PROPHET (SALLAL LAAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM) This was first introduced by Hazrat Ali (radi Allahu anhu) and he used to teach it to people of his time. Ibn Jabir mentioned that in his book called "Tah'theeb Al-Aa'thar" so did Imam Tabari, Ibi Assem and Yaqoub bin Shaibah. 5. THE ADDITION MADE BY IBN MASOUD TO TASHA'HUD Imam Tabari said that Ibn Masoud use to read after saying "As Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuhu", "As Salaam Alaina Min Rabenna" (Peace be upon us from our Lord). 6. THE INTRODUCTION OF READING "BISMILLAH AL-RAHMAN AL-RAHIM" BEFORE COMMENCING TASHA'HUD. Bukhari and Muslim both narrated that Ibn Umar use to read "Bimillah Al-Rahman Al-Rahim" before Tasha'hud. All the above Companions have in fact introduced innovations which they have deemed beneficial and which were not practised during the life of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, that these innovations where brought about in acts of worship! What then would you say about these renowned Companions? Are they going to be classified among those who practise "EVIL" innovations! As for their (Bin Baaz, etc.) other statement which is even worse that the first one, where it is alleged by them that in the religion of Islam there is no such thing as "Good Innovation" or "BID'AH". Let us quote the opinion of the most renowned scholars of Islam regarding this issue. 1. Imam Al-Hafiz Al-Nawawi said in Vol.6, p.21 in his "Commentary on Sahih Al-Bukhari": What the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) meant when he said "EVERY" or "ALL" innovations, is that it is general but restricted, i.e. that most innovations are "EVIL" but not "ALL". In "Tahdhib Al-Asma wal Lugat" Bid'ah is explained as follows: "Bid'ah in Shari'ah is the invention of that which was not there in the period of the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), and it is divided into two categories HASANAH (or good) and QABIHAH (or evil)". 2. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani who explained Sahih Al-Bukhari said: "Every action which was not in practice at the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time is called or known as Innovation, however, there are those which are classified as 'Good' and there are those which are contrary to that". 3. Imam Abu-Na'im said that he heard Imam Ibrahim Al-Junaid say that he heard Imam Shafi'i (radi Allahu anhuma) say: "The new things that are brought about are two kinds. One kind is that which brought about, inconsistent with something in the Qur'an or the Sunnah or with some Athaar or I'jma. This the category of BID'AH DALALAH (heretic innovation). The second kind is that which is brought about from good things which are consistent with any of the above". 4. Imam of Imams Izzuddin Ibn Abd al-Salaam writes in his book "Al-Qawa'aid": "Bid'ah is divided into Wajib, Haram, Mandub, Makruh and Mabah. And the way to know which category it belongs to, is to examine it together with the laws of Shari'ah. If it falls in with the laws that deal with what is Wajib, then it is Wajib. If with those laws that deal with Haram, then it is Haram. If with the laws dealing with what is Mandub, then it is Mandub. If with the laws dealing with what is Makruh, then it is Makruh. If with the laws dealing with what is Mubah, then it is Mubah". Following the examination of the statements of these highly renowned scholars of Islam, we ask: How is it then that what is alleged that the word "Kul" or "EVERY" includes all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" regardless? And where in the religion of Islam is it stated that there is no "Good Bid'ah" or "good innovation". Hence, the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has said: "Whoever introduces a good innovation into the religion of Islam, will be granted due reward for it and the reward of those who acts upon it without any reduction in their deeds". From this hadith we find that every Muslim is entitled to introduce a "good Bid'ah or innovation" as long as it conforms with the test mentioned earlier, even though the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not do it, preach it or practice, in order that he/she could increase the deeds of goodness and rewards.
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| | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 07:50 pm Though Wahhabis have innumerable wrong tenets they are based on three principles: 1- They say that amal or ibada are included in iman and that he who does not perform a fard though he believes that it is fard, for example, salat because of laziness or zakat because of stinginess,becomes a disbeliever and he must be killed and his possessions must be distributed among Wahhabis. The ulama of the Ahlu Sunna Wal-jamaa’a have unanimously said that ibada are not included in iman.one who though he believes it to be fard, does not perform a fard because of laziness does not become a disbeliever.a muslim does not become a disbeliever by comimitting a grave sin.if he is put into hell, he will be taken out of hell sooner or later and will be put into paradise. He will stay eternally in paradise. 2-They say that one who asks for shafa’a from the souls of prophets(alaihimu salam)or awliya or who visits their tombs and prays while considering them mediators becomes a disbeliever.They also believe that the dead do not have any sense. If a person who talk to a dead person in a grave had been a disbeliever, our prophet (sall-Allahu alaihi wa sallam), and great ulama and awliya would not have prayed this manner.it was our Prophet’s(sall-Allahu alaihi wa sallam) habit to visit the baqi’e cemetery in Medina and the martyrs of uhud. Our Prophet(sall-Allahu aleihi wa sallam)always said in his prayers, “Allahuma inni as-aluka bi-haqi sa’ilina alaika” (O my Allah,I ask thee for the sake of those people whom you hast given whatever they ask)and recommended to pray so. In a hadith sherif reported by uthman ibn Hunaif(radi Allahu anhu) one of the greatest of Ansar,it is told how the prophet(sall-Allahu alaihi wa sallam)ordered a blind man, who asked him to pray for his healing,to perform an ablution and a salat of two raka’as and then to say “Allahuma inni as’aluka wa atawajjahu ilaika bi-nabiyyika Muhammadin nabiyi rahma,ya Muhammad inni atawajjahubika ila rabbi fi hajati hadhihi li-takdiya li,Allahuma shaffihu fiyya.” In this prayer the blind man was commanded to have recourse to Muhammad (alaihi sallam) as a mediator so that his prayer would be accepted. A hadith sheriff says “after my death, I will hear as I do when I am alive” Another hadith sherif reported by Abu Ya’la says, “Prophets (alaihi sallam) are alive in their graves. They perform salah” Imam an- Nawawi says in his Adhkar, “it is a Sunna to visit frequently the shrines(qubur) of the Prophets(alaihi sallam) and of pious Muslims and to stay for some time near such places of visitation.”(P.98) Hadith sheriff transmitted by ad-Daru Qutni and al-Bazzar which says “if someone visits me [at my shrine] only with veaw to visitng me and not to do anything else, he will have the right to be interceded for by me on the Day of Judgement.” Con.insha Allah
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| | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 09:54 pm AS SALAMU CALAYKUM MOGADISCIANO, MY NEIGHBOR. YOUR APPROACH AS A NEIGHBOR IS COMFORTING. BUT I DO NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY, “Merca people to be intelligent enough to read and understand.” IF YOUR INTENTION IS FOR ME TO PICK ON NUR WHILE HE IS AWAY PLEASE SAY IT.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 11:18 pm Amico mio MY INTENTION IS NOT TO MAKE PROBLEM BETWEEN YOU AND NUR SINCE HE IS AWAY. BUT I WANTED YOU TO READ HIS WRITING IN DEPTH AND BASED ON WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND, SHARE WITH ME HOW WE CAN EXPLAIN DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS ON THIS TOPIC. SPECIALLY WHEN HE EXPLAINED THE MEANING OF ILAAH, IN OLD ARABIC LANGUAGE MEANING OF THE WORD AND CONCEPT OF QUREISH WHEN THEY WORSHIPPED LATTA AMD UZZA. QUITE HONESTLY I AM AMAZED. PERSONAL LEVEL, MERCA IS IN MY HEART, MY MOTHER'S RELATIVES LIVE THERE, AND SHE LIKES TO GO THERE ALWAYS, THE WEATHER, THE BEACH, THE FRIED FISH WITH SPICES...... SHE JUST LOVES MERCA. I AM OSPEDALE MARTINI BORN PAESANO, USA RAISED BUT 100% MUSLIM. NO OTHER DISCRIPTION. I APOLOGISE IF ANY OF MY COMMENTS UPSET YOU, I LIKE TO BE YOUR FRIEND.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 11:29 pm MERCANO ONE MORE THING, LET US DISCUSS THE IDEA AND OPINION, NOT THE PEOPLE. THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. WE SHOULD NOT BE UPSET IF OUR IDEA IS CRITISIZED, IT IS NOT PERSONAL ISSUE, IT IS ABOUT OUR FAITH AND WETHER AT THE END OF THE DAY WE GO TO JANNAH OR NAAR. PERSONALLY IF I HAVE THE POWER ALL MERCA PEOPLE WILL GO TO JANNAH. AND OF COURSE ALL MOGADISCIANO PEOPLE, BUT IS IT IN OUR HANDS? ALL WE MUST DO IS SEEK TRUTH NO MATTER WERE IT IS FOUND, AND WHO SAYS IT. LOOKING THINGS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THOSE WE DISAGREE IS HELPFUL IN FINDING TRUTH, BUT IF WE MAKE STAND AGAINST A CERTAIN GROUP, WE MAY MISS SOME HELPFUL CONCEPTS. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF CHINA NEVER OPENED ITS DOORS TO THE USA WOULD IT DEVELOP TO BE THE GIANT IT IS PROJECTED TOBECOME? CIAO
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 12:07 am Sunni Sister YOU ARE VERY INTERSTING, I READ YOUR POSTING, YOUR LOGIC AND AUTHORITY FOR REPRESENTING AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMAACA IS ASTONISHING. I PRAY FOR YOU THAT 1. ALLAH HELPS YOU FIND THE RIGHT PATH 2. MAKES YOU AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT PATH PLEASE READ THIS POSTING BY A BROTHER WHO IS AWAY AND GIVE ME YOUR POINT PER POINT COMMENTS, YOUR INPUT ON THIS MATTER WILL SERVE ISLAM. THE BROTHER WROTE: This was my response to sister (Now and Again) who was worried like Omar iBnul Khattab, of being a Munaafiq. Bismillah, I begin. Dear (Now and Again) Maa Shaa Allah, Tabaaraka Allah. May Allah bless you, you are in the path of Allah and InshaAllah, Allah will not mislead you. You have indeed raised a very important question on this forums. I will try to simplify a rather difficult question, please read very carefully: 1. No Soul will go o Jannah who is not Muslim 2. No one can be Muslim without Shahaada 3. Shahaada is information, you are required to believe it 4. The test to see if you indeed believe in Shahaada is your deeds: So our faith is composed of a A. set of information we are required to believe, B. Set of orders we are ordered to obey The extent of your belief in the information that our Prophet SAWS delivered is measured by the extent of orders that you obey. In other words, your obedience to the orders of Allah, is a reflection of your belief in the information delivered to you. So , Islam is a set of information, like Allah, Jannah, angels, etc. and a set of orders such as Salat, Fasting, Justice, etc. The orders are subdivided in to two categories: 1.Orders to do something (Fard) 2.Orders to stay away from something (Haraam) If Allah orders you to do something, and you fail to do so, the reason could be: a. You do not believe in the information b. You believe it but you are arrogant c. You are stupid If (a) that is clear kufr If (b) That is also kufr, the type of Sheitan If (c) You may be the same case like a crazy person, No intelligence , no responsibility. If you are ordered to stay away from something, and you do not, we have the following scenario: a. You do not believe in the information b. You are arrogant c. You can not resist temptation d. You are stupid All but case (c) are covered. If case (c) That is called disobedience (macsiya) a SIN and it is what Adam and Hawaa aleyhimaa assalaam have commited. It does not make you a kaafir To generalize the above. If a person does ( HARAM), something he is ordered not to do, the driver is more likely weakness against temptation, and that person is not a kaafir, this is the case of Adam and Eve, Aleyhimaa assalaam. If a person refuses to do ( FARD) something he is ordered to do, the driver of his action is more likely arrogance, like the case of Sheitan. Sheitaan new Allah very well. Now we visit a new territory; There is a principle in detecting IMAAN developed by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah. I will simplify it for you again. The inside and the outside of a person are always working together in unisom. Except when an outside disturbance influences that person. In which case the outside of a person does contrary of what is inside his heart. meaning. In electronics, when we input a signal into a system, we observe an output that reflects the action of the original signal + the function of the system that operated on the signal. In the absence of outside disturbance, we can always predict the output. But when an outside element disturbs the system, the output will not be predictable. A person who is a kaafir therefore will normally act as a kaafir. No salaat,no fard, etc. that is Sabeelul kaafireen And a person who is a muslim will act normally like a Muslim will do all fard plus nawaafil when possible. that is Sabeelul Mumineen But when, a Kaafir lives with Muslims, he will act like Muslim, to avoid problems. He is called a Munafiq. And a Muslim who lives with Kufaar will act like kuffar, to avoid problems. He is called Mukrah. Now, a Somali person who lives in Somalia, US or Europe, is free to practice his faith, so if that person does not practice tha ( Fard) , his actions are an indicator of what is missing in his heart ( IMAAN). However a Muslim who lives in tyranny, (China) his actions ( NO FARD) may not be indicator of his belief. Allah says : Are they same he who spends all his nights praying and prostrating, alert for aakhirah, and the one who is in darkness..............................." That is it for today, let me know if I helped.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 12:36 am Sunni Sister TO CLARIFY ISSUE OF IMAN AND IBADA, MORE, I FOUND THIS POSTING THAT WILL PUT YOUR OPINION TO TEST. AGAIN PLEASE READ AND RESPOND. This was my response to JohnnyJake who wanted to know if there were different degrees of being a muslim. Bismillah I begin. JohnnyJake Islam literally means submission to a higher authority. As such, one gives up his power over his life at will, taking direction of how to live from that higher source. To be a Muslim, just like graduating from college, there is minimum requirements. Once these minimum requirements are met, a person is a muslim. Islam is composed of a word to utter and actions to perform The word to utter is further divided into two categories. A. The word of the heart ( TASDEEQ), which is belief in what has been revealed. B. The word of the mouth, (Shahaadah), which is uttering the manifestation of the singularity of the authority that created the universe and everything in it, and whose orders must one must obey, and following the course of the messenger who delivered this mesage as an example. Deeds or actions are further divided in to two parts. A. Deeds of the heart ( NIYAH) , which is the intention that drives our actions. B. Physical deeds (AMAL), like prayers, fasting etc. CASE(1) (NO TASDEEQ), If a person does not utter the word of the heart, meaning he does not believe, he is not a Muslim CASE (2) (NO SHAHAADAH), If a person does not utter the word of the mouth, eventough he believes in his heart, he is not Muslim, he is like Sheitan, or Abi talib , the uncle of the prophet SAWS, Sheitaan lacked (ITTIBAAC) obedience, and Abi Talib lacked (SHAHHADAH) CASE (3) (NO NIYAH ) If a person's heart does not do the deeds of the heart, meaning he has no intention to do something, that person, is not a Mulsim, The prophet said " (Inamaal aamalu bil niyaat) the validity of deeds are conditional to having the right intention. NO NIYAH means NO AMAL accepted. That is why manslaughter is a lesser charge than calculatede murder. CASE (4) NO ( PHYSICAL DEEDS , LIKE FARD), If a person does not do physical deeds, then, we look into what drives that person to do or not to do what he is been ordered or prohibited from. If he does not do what has been ordered to do, that person is usually driven by 1. disbelief, 2. arrogance, 3. or stupidity. All of which make him not a Muslim since intelligence is required to be a Muslim. If he does(HARAAM) something prohibited, he is more likely driven by: 1. strong desire or Lust, 2. arrogance, 3. disbelief 4. stupidity. All but LUST will make him a non-Muslim, Doing something prohibited because of LUST and uncontrollable desire, is called a SIN and it does not make a person (BY ITSELF) a non-Muslim. However, accumulation of sins can lead to disbelief in the long run, just like sand pepples form mountains, A Muslim, therefore, does not trivilize sins, but looks up to the authority that he?she is disobeying.(It is no play ground) For more detailed explanation on this topic, please look into my last posting on this page. WaL Salaamu Alaa man ittabaca al hudaa.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 09:46 am Belonging to Ahl Sunna Waljama’a requires following one of the four Madhhabs in fiqh; and on Aqida either Ashcari or Maturidi. One who does not follow one of four Madhhabs is a man of bid’a. A person who has gathered the easy ways of the four Madhhabs will not have followed any of the four Madhhabs. A person who does not belong in one of the four Madhhabs has separated himself the unity of the Ahl Sunna. Allah ta-ala states in 103rd ayat of surah Ali-imran “HOLD FAST TO ALLAH’S ROPE.” O Believers mediteare over this ayat-I karim and cling to the group of the Ahl Sunna Waljama’a. we must be very careful not to dissent from the unity of the Ahl Sunna and not to be taken in by the deceitful writing of men with religious post who trade in religious books and the writing of heretics who want to deceive Muslims. Allah ta-ala declares clearly in the 114th ayat of surah an-Nisa that those who dissent from the Muslim unity will go to hell. About Ibada and Iman We should not judge based on our understanding, instead we must follow the Imams of the Madhhabs. According all Madhhabs except the Hambali, one does not become disbeliever by not performing salah, although he should be put to death. Imam Ahmed however, has two opinions on this issue, one of them is that the person who does not perform salah is kafir.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 12:03 pm In Hanbali Madhhab,it was said that only he who did not perform salah would become a disbeliever.the same was not said for other kinds of Ibadad.therefore, it would be wrong to consider Wahhabis as Hanbali in this respect.as explained above, those who do not belong to the Ahl Sunna Waljama'a cannot be Hanbali,either. **those who do not belong to any of the four Madhhabs do not belong to the Ahl Sunna
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 01:35 pm To Marcano, Sunni sis and Rabica Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu You have done a very good job for defending the truth, the manhaj of ahlu sunnah wal-jama’ah. May Allah reward you for that. Most of Ahlusuna people are too busy to visit this site including myself. I will try to contact you inshaAllah. My e-mail is ibncasaakir@hotmail.com
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 05:00 pm Sunnisis. Assalaamu caleykum. How about following all the four mad-habs by taking what they are right and leaving alone what they missed?. Didn't they all drew their JURISPRUDENCE(AL-FIQHI) from the book of Allah and from the sunah of his prophet?. I think I am more successful as a student if I appreciate all what the imams did and try to learn all of their views on issues of fiqhi AND NOT BE BIAS TO ONE AND FIGHT AGAINST THE OTHER. THERE IS NO "DALIIL" FOR THAT and it is known "TAQLIID". I am for all and don't claim to belong to any of them. Also, I have SOME IMPORTANT COMMENT ABOUT THE ONE WHO LEAVES PRAYER FROM AH-LUSUNNAH PEOPLE NOT FROM THE SUFIS WHO PRAY AT MEKKA ANYWAY WHEN THEY WANT BY FLYING there while present with their IGNORANT FOLLOWERS. Abandoning Prayer (Salaat) A Major sin in Islam Allaah Most High says (which means): Then there has succeeded them a generation which has given up prayers (i.e, made their praycrs to be lost, either by not offering them at all or by not offering them perfectly or by not offering them in their proper fixed times, etc.) and have followed lusts. So they will be thrown in Hell. Except those who repent and believe in the Oneness of Allaah and His Messenger (), and act righteously. [Maryam, 19:59-60] And He (T) said (which means): Woe unto those performers of prayers (hypocrites) who are unmindful of their prayers (i.e., delay their prayer from its stated fixed time). [Al-Maa'oon, 107:4-5] And He (T) said (which means): O you who believe! Let not your properties or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allaah. And whosoever does that, then they are the losers. [Al-Munaafiqoon, 63:9] The commentators of the Qur'aan say: "The 'remembrance of Allaah' mentioned in these Aayaat means the five daily prayers. If anyone is so busy in buying and selling, or with his daily work of earning a livelihood, or with his children, that he cannot perform prayers on time, he will be among the losers." The first thing which will be judged among a man's deeds on the Day of Resurrection is the Prayer. If this is in good order then he will succeed and prosper but if it is defective then he will fail and will be a loser. [Nasaa'ee, Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] Informing us about the inhabitants of Hell, Allaah Most High says (which means): (The people in Hell will be asked  What has caused you to enter Hell? They will say: We were not among those who used to pray. Nor did we feed the poor. And we used to talk falsehood (all that which Allaah hated) with vain-talkers. And we used to belie thc Day of Recompense. Until there came to us that which is certain (i.e., death). So no Intercession of intercessors will benefit them [Al-Muddaththir, 74:42-48] The Prophet said (which means): The covenant between us and them is prayer, so if anyone abandons it he has become a disbeliever. [Ahmad, Tirmidhee, Nasaa'ee] And he also said (which means): What lies between a man and disbelief is the abandonment of prayer. [Muslim, Aboo Dawood, Nasaa'ee] And he said (which means): If anyone abandons prayer deliberately then he has no claim upon Allaah. [Ibn Maajah, ADAB-AL-MUFRAD of Bukhaari, Tabaraani] And he said (which means): I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that there is no one worthy of worship but Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and until they perform the Prayers and pay the Zakaah, and if they do so they will have gained protection from me for their lives and property, unless [they do acts that are punishable] in accordance with Islaam, and their reckoning will be with Allaah Most High. [Bukhaari, Muslim] And he , mentioning the prayer, said (which means): If anyone keeps to it, it will be light, evidence and salvation for him on the Day of Resurrection. But if anyone does not keep to it, it will not be light, evidence and salvation for him on the Day of Resurrection, and on that Day he will be associated with Qaroon, Pharaoh, Namaan and Ubayy bin Khalaf (an enemy of Islaam from among the Quraysh). [Ahmad, Tabaraanee, Ibn Hibbaan] Ibn Al-Qayyim explained: The person who abandons prayer will be raised with such a foursome because his neglect of player may be due to his involvement with his property, his country, his administrative work or his trade. Therefore, if he was involved with his property he will be ressurected with Qaroon; if with his country, then with Pharaoh; if with his administrative work, then with Hamaan; and if with his trade then with Ubayy bin Khalaf, the trader among the disbelievers of Makkah. `Abdullaah bin Shaqeeq Al-`Aqeelee Tabi`ee (Tabi`ee: a successor to the companions of the Prophet ] said: "The Companions of the Prophet did not consider the abandonment of any good deed to be disbelief except the abandonment of the Prayer." [Tirmidhee, Haakim] When `Alee was asked about a women who did not pray, he said: "The one who does not pray is a disbeliever." [Tirmidhee, Haakim] Ibn Mas`ood (R) said: "The one who abandons the prayer has no religion." [Muhammad bin Nasr Al Mirwazee] Ibn `Abbaas (R) said: "The one who leaves off a single prayer deliberately will find, when he meets Allaah Most High, that He (T) is angry with him." [Muhammad bin Nasr Al-Mirwazee, Ibn Abdul-Barr] Ibn Hazm said: "There is no greater sin after polytheism than delaying a prayer until its time has passed and killing a believer without a just cause." Ibraheem Al-Nakha`ee said: "The one who has abandoned the prayer has become a disbeliever." Aboo Ayyoob Al-Sakhtiyanee said something similar to this. Ibn Hazm writes conclusively: "It has come from `Umar, `Abdur-Rahmaan bin `Awf, Mu`aadh bin Jabal, Aboo Hurayrah and other companions that anyone who skips one obligatory prayer until its time has finished becomes an apostate. We find no difference of opinion among them on this point." This was mentioned by Al Mundhiree in AT-TARGHEEB WA AT-TARHEEB. Then he comments: A group of Companions and those who came after them believed that an intentional decision to skip one prayer until its time is completely finished makes one an unbeliever. The people of this opinion include `Umar bin Al-Khattaab, `Abdullaah bin Mas`ood, `Abdullaah bin `Abbaas, Mu`aadh bin Jabal, Jaabir bin `Abdullaah and Aboo Ad-Dardaa'. Among the non-companions who shared this view were: Ibn Hanbal, Ishaaq bin Rahwayh, `Abdullaah bin Mubaarak, An-Nakha`ee, Al-Hakam bin `Utaibah, Aboo Ayyoob As-Sakhtiyaanee, Aboo Dawood At-Tiyaalisee, Aboo Bakr bin Aboo Shaybah, Zuhayr in Harb, and others. REFERENCES: 1.Al-Haythamee, Ibn Hajr, AZ-ZAWAAJIR `AN IQTIRAAF AL KABAA'IR, Vol. I, (corrected by) Ahmad Abdush-Shaafee, Daar Al-Kutub Al-`Ilmiyyah, Beirut, Lebanon, 1987 2.Dhahabee, Imaam Muhammad bin `Uthmaan, KITAAB AL-KABAA'IR, (Engl. tr.) Mohammed Moinuddin Siddiqui, Dar El-Fiker, Beirut, Lebanon, 1993. 3.Sabiq, As-Sayyid, FIQH-US SUNNAH, Vol. I, (Engl. tr.) Muhammad Sa`eed Dabas and Jamal al-Din Zarabozo, Maktabat al-Khadamat- Al-Hadithah, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, 1987.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 08:30 pm Salamu aleykum... to brother who asked me forgivness I forgave you... =============== BismAllah Rahaman Rahim.... first of All TO Sunni sister You said : >The ulama of the Ahlu Sunna Wal-jamaa’a have >unanimously said that ibada are not included in >iman Where did they say? I want to know... I want to know from the early scholars and the famous ones.. this statement is big statment... The scecond thing you said that "wahyabee" say the one who leaves salat out of laziness is kaffir.. you know that this issue that the salaf have difference of oponion even between Sahaba and the brother formogest May Allah protect him have shown you this ... there is hadith in Taramathee..... and there was difference of oponion between the sahabah SO how could you say this is Wahabee belif? is not only Imam Ahmed...many sahaba... Also Scholars of Ahul sunnah said the Iman is: belife in the heart, and action... Ibn adul Razak said: I heared from those we reached from our Scholars and Ashab Sufyan Thoree, Malik bin Anaas, Ubeyd bin umer and Alwazee , Muamer bin Rashid , ibn Jureyj, Sufyan bin Uyenah, Saying that Iman is word and action, it increase and deacrese this statement of ibn Masud and Hutheyfa and And Nukaee, and Hassan basree, and Eta, And Tawuus, and Mujahid, and Abdullah bin Mubarek.." The people who say Action is not part of Iman are the Murjaa... So how could you attribute this to Scholars of Ahulsunnah? Also scholars stated that Imam Bukari chapter when he put : Baba Al-salat men Iman.. Chapter Salat from Iman Bab al-zakat men Iman.. Chapter Zakat from Iman etc.. bab Al-jihad men Iman Ibn Batal stated in Sharh Nawai the reason Imam Bukrai done this was to refute The Murja.. who said Iman is statement with out action.... So how could you say this: YOu said: >The ulama of the Ahlu Sunna Wal-jamaa’a have >unanimously said that ibada are not included in >iman if you mean Iman is not part of Action this is not True...and its the statement of Murja... Bring I'm waiting those who said this...insha Allah... ============================ Second statment you said was that: You said: Sunni sister: >Belonging to Ahl Sunna Waljama’a requires >following one of the four Madhhabs in fiqh; and >on Aqida either Ashcari or Maturidi then you said: As for Aqida: ok... I have question for you: Tell me Does any one here who is saying to follow the figh of the four Imam... Follow the Creed of the Fours Imams? Are the four Imams were Wrong... How comes you Calling people to Follow the figh when YOU calling other than their Creed... Also one of the post that was posted it stated that Imam Al-dahabee and Hakim and abu Nayem were Ashari this is not True.. Most and Majority of scholars of hadith were not Ashari and Maturdee sepically the early one... Imam Al-dahabee Have written A book which states and bring the statements the scholar who Said Allah is above his Throne, and didn't make Taweel...up to his time 700.... Among them were: Imam Abdul Qadir Jelani he said and stated his Creed in his book Gunatul talib Hak...and Says Allah is above his Throne and he does not make Taweel(interpreting Allah sifat) Ibn Qudama? and many other scholars? So was Imam Abdul qadir a misguided to you?!!! s his Ageeda is the Same Creed I hold, that was held by All my salafi brothers and Sister in this forums and all the world.... So fear Allah... before the day comes when nation may becomes your oponent WE HOLD THE SAME creed that was held by Imam At-Tirmidhee writes in his Sunan (1/128-129): "It has been said by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth that there is no resemblance to the Attributes of Allaah. And the Lord - the Blessed, the Most High - descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say: Affirm these narrations, have faith in them and do not deny them, and do not ask how. The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, ibn ‘Uyaynah and ‘Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about these ahaadeeth: ‘Leave them as they are without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from Ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say: This is making resemblance (tashbeeh)! However, Allaah - the Most High - has mentioned in various places in His Book the Attribute of Hand, Hearing and Seeing. So the Jahmiyyah make false interpolation (ta’weel) of these verses and explain them in a way other than that explained by the People of Knowledge. They say: Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand. And they say that the meaning of Hand is: Power. Ishaaq ibn Raahawaiah (one of the famous teachers of al-Bukhaaree) said: ‘Resemblance is if it is said: Hand like my hand, or similar to my hand. Or Hearing like my hearing, or similar to my hearing. So when it is said: Hearing like my hearing, or similar to my hearing, then this is making resemblance. But if what is being said is what Allaah has said: Hand, Hearing, Seeing, and it is not asked how, nor is it said: like my hearing, or similar to my hearing, then this is not making resemblance. Allaah - the Most Blessed, Most High - said in His Book: "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing."" [I took this from Salafipub] Also Imam abe Dawood and his son the Hafith abe baker held the same Creed... Were they Mujasim,.........Invaators... HIs son written peom in Creed, adopted by and held the Salafi and Ahul Hadith... I will bring many scholars insha Allah...so Fear Allah ...and don't say every person should be Ashari and Matrudiee because the fours imams and many scholars from salaf and kalaf didn't hold this... I will bring the scholars... wasalamu aleykum
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 08:36 pm The position of the Salaf concerning the Attributes of Allaah: al-Awzaa'ee (d. 157) said, "I asked az-Zuhree and Makhool about the Verses pertaining to the Attributes of Allaah, so they said, 'leave them as they are'" ['Sharh Usul I'tiqaad' (3/430) with a hasan isnaad] al-Waleed bin Muslim (d.194) said, "I asked Maalik, al-Awzaa'ee, Layth bin Sa'd and Sufyaan ath-Thawree, may Allaah have mercy upon them, concerning the reports related about the Attributes, so they all said: Leave them as they are without asking how" ['al-Asmaa was Sifaat' (pg.453) of al-Bayhaqi with a hasan isnaad] Rabee'a ar-Ra'ee (d.136) said, "al-Istawaa (Allaah Rising over His Throne) is not unknown, and how (it occurs) is not comprehensible, and from Allaah is the Message, and upon the Messenger is to convey, and upon us is to affirm." [ibid. (pg.516). Ibn Taymiyyah said in 'al-Hamawiyyah' (pg.80), "al-Khallaal narrated it with an isnaad all of whom are trustworthy."] Sufyaan bin Uyaynah said, "everything that Allaah described Himself with in His Book then it's recitation is it's explanation, without asking how or likening". [Related in 'Sharh Usul I'tiqaad' (pg.736), 'as-Sifaat' of ad-Daaruqutnee (pg. 61), 'Dham at-Ta'weel' (pg. 17 no. 22) via a number of different routes.] Aqidah SINGLE PAGE It is also narrated from him about the ahaadeeth concerning the Attributes that he said, "we narrate them as they came without asking how" [ as-Sifaat' (pg. 63) of ad-Daaruqutnee, 'at-Tamheed' of ibn Abdul Barr (7/147) with a saheeh sanad.] Shareek bin Abdullaah said when told that some people rejected and abused the ahaadeeth concerning the Attributes, "the ones that came with these ahaadeeth are the ones that came with the Qur'aan, and that the prayers are five, and the Hajj to the House, and the Fast of Ramadaan. And we do not Allaah except by these ahaadeeth." ['as-Sunnah' (1/273) of Imaam Abdullaah bin Ahmad, 'ash-Sharee'ah' (pg.306) of al-Aajurree with a saheeh sanad. ] Imaam Maalik said when replying to the one who asked, 'how did Allaah make Istawaa?', "al-Istawaa is Known, and how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and to question it is an innovation." Then he said to the questioner, "I do not think except that you are an innovator" and he ordered him to be expelled. [ 'al-Asmaa was Sifaat' (pg.516).] He also said, "The Most Merciful Ascended as He Himself described, and it is not to be asked 'How' since that is unknown." [ ibid (pg.516). Ibn Hajr says in 'Fath' (13/406) that it's isnaad is hasan.] Imaam Abu Haneefah said, "He is something (shay'un) but not like other things, and the meaning of Shay'un is affirmed without affirming a body, limbs or organs. And He has no limit and no partner or opposite, and no similitude. And He has a Hand, a Face and a Self. As for what is mentioned in the Qur'aan: the Face, the Hand, the Self (Nafs) then these are His Attributes without asking how. And it is not said that His Hand is His Power (Qudra) or Favour (Ni'ma) because this contains nullification of the Attribute, and this is the saying of the People of Qadr (Jabariyyah) and the Mu'tazila. Rather His Hand is His Attribute without asking how, and His Anger (Gadb) and Pleasure (Ridaa) are two Attributes without asking How."[ Fiqh al-Akhbar' (pp.36-37) with it's commentary by Mulla Alee al-Qaaree.] Muhammad bin al-Hasan ash-Shaybaanee said "the Legal Jurists, from the east to the west, have all agreed to have faith in the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth that have come via trustworthy narrators from the Messenger of Allaah (SAW) concerning the Attributes without explanation [meaning the explanation of the Jahmiyyah who innovated explanations of the Attributes in opposition to that which the Sahaabah and the Taabi'een were upon in affirming them, as stated by ibn Taymiyyah in 'al-Hamawiyyah' (pg. 115)] and without description and without tashbeeh. So whosoever explains anything from them has left that which the Prophet (SAW) was upon and has split off from the Jamaa'ah (for they did not deny or explain, rather they believed in what was in the Book and Sunnah and then remained silent, so the one who says the saying of Jahm has split off from the Jamaa'ah) because he described Him with descriptions that are empty." ['Mukhtasar al-Uluw' (no. 165), and the addition in brackets is from al-Laalikaa'ee.] Imaam Ahmad said, "these ahaadeeth should be left as they are....we affirm them and do not make any similitude for them. This is what has been agreed upon by the scholars." ['Munaaqib al-Ahmad' (pp155-156) of ibn al-Jawzee] Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee said, "to Allaah belong Names and Attributes that occur in His Book and His Prophet informed to the nation. It is not possible for anyone to refute/repel (radd) them. So the one who contradicts this after the evidence has been established against him then he is a kaafir, and as for before the establishment of the proof then he is excused due to ignorance, because the knowledge of that cannot be attained through the intellect. So we affirm these Attributes and we negate tashbeeh (likening Allaah to creation) as Allaah negated it by saying, 'there is nothing like Him'" ['Siyar A'laam an-Nubalaa' (10/80). adh-Dhahabee says, 'reported by al-Hakkaaree and others with a chain of narrators containing trustworthy narrators as in 'Mukhtasar al-Uluw' (pg. 177).] And he said, "the belief that I am upon, and I saw Our Companions, the Ashaabul Hadeeth - like Maalik and Sufyaan and others - to be upon is: affirming the testimony that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah. And that Allaah is Over His Throne, above His Heaven (alaa Arshihi fee Samaa'ihi), He comes close to His Creation howsoever He Wills, and He Descends to the lowest heaven howsoever He Wills." [ 'Awn al-Ma'bood' (13/41), and ibn Abu Ya'la reports it in 'Tabaqaat al-Hanaabilaa' (1/283) with a chain of narration linked back to ash-Shaafi'ee.] Ishaaq bin Raahawayah said, "indeed Allaah has described Himself in His Book with Attributes from which the creation is left in no need to describe Him with other than what He described Himself with. From amongst them, 'Allaah will Come to them in the shades of clouds' and His saying, 'And you see the angels around the Throne, hymning the praises of their Lord'" ['al-Arba'een fee Sifaat Allaah' (no. 144) of adh-Dhahabee.] ===================================== BY the way I took this from Salafipublication.. I took portion.... If you want more tell me... This is what the Scholars of Salaf said Salaf said among four Imams...:.......
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 09:32 pm Assalaamu caleykum to all including (my sufi brothers and sisters). Ahlul hadith: I have searched this islamic website's data bank and I think I found your answer that Ibada is inclusive totally in Iman. Question: How do we reconcile the idea that eemaan (faith) means “belief in Allaah, His angels, His Books, the Last Day and the Divine Decree, both good and bad,” with the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Eemaan (faith) has seventy-odd branches…”? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Faith in the sense of belief is based on six principles, which are mentioned in the hadeeth of Jibreel (peace be upon him), when he questioned the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “Faith means to believe in Allaah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and the Divine Decree, both good and bad.” (Agreed upon). Faith which includes good deeds of various kinds is that which has seventy-odd branches. Hence Allaah called prayer eemaan in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “And Allaah would never make your faith [eemaan] (prayers) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allaah is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind” [al-Baqarah 2:143] The mufassireen said: “your faith (eemaan)” means your prayers towards Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), because the Sahaabah used to pray towards al-Masjid al-Aqsaa before they were commanded to face the Ka’bah in their prayers. Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 1, p. 54 (www.islam-qa.com)
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 09:42 pm I also think this will help. Al-`Uboodiyyah Imam Ibn ul Qayyim al Jawziyyah [Madarij as-Saalikeen 1/100-101, 105], Slightly adapted by Dr Saleh as-Saleh From a footnote in "The Dispraise of Al-Hawaa (Desire) by Ibnul Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah" © 1998 Dar al-Bukhaari `Uboodiyyah is a comprehensive term that asserts the meaning of the Aayah: "You Alone do we worship and You Alone do we seek for Help. (Qur'aan 1:5) It comprises the slavery of the heart, tongue and limbs to Allaah ta`aala. The slavery of the heart includes both the Qawl (saying of the heart) and `Amaal (actions of the heart). The Qawl of the heart is the belief (I`tiqaad) in what Allaah has informed about His Self, His Names and Attributes, His Actions, His Angels, and that which He revealed in His Book and sent upon the tongue of His Messenger Muhammad sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam. The `Amaal of the heart include love for Allaah, reliance upon Him, turning to Him in repentance, fearing Him, having hope in Him, devoting the Deen sincerely to Him, having patience in what He orders and forbids, having patience with His decrees and being pleased with them, having allegiance for His pleasure, having humility for Him and humbling oneself in front of Him, and becoming tranquil with Him. The Qawl (saying) of the tongue is to convey what Allah has revealed (in the Qur'aan and authentic Sunnah) regarding Himself, His Names and Attributes, His Actions, His Commands, His Prohibitions, and all that is related to this Deen), to call to it, defend it, to expose the false innovations which oppose it, and to establish its remembrance and to convey what it orders. The `Amaal (actions) of the limbs include the Salaat (prayers), Jihaad, attending the Jumu`ah prayers and the rest of the Jamaa`aat (congregational prayers), assisting those who are unable, and acting with goodness and kindness to creation, and other such acts. This comprehensive meaning of the `Uboodiyyah pertains to its specific type. The people who fall under this type of `Uboodiyyah are the believers who obey, love, and sincerely follow the Deen of Allaah ta`aala. The second type of `Uboodiyyah is the general one in which all creatures in the heavens and in the earth are subdued to Allaah's sovereign Authority and Power; everything is subservient to His Will, and Authority; nothing occurs or ceases to occur except by His leave; His is the Kingdom and He disposes the affairs as He pleases. This type of `Uboodiyyah is known as the `Uboodiyyah of Qahr (Subduing) and Mulk (Sovereignty, Kingship, Possession, Mastership, etc.). So, the part of the Aayah signifying "You do we worship" asserts the adherence to the four principles of `Uboodiyyah: 1.The sayings of the heart 2.The actions of the heart, 3.The sayings of the tongue, and 4.The actions of the limbs. The other part, "You Alone do we seek for Help," stresses the fact that the believer must ask Allaah alone to help him establish the `Uboodiyyah and succeed in executing all what it requires.
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| | Friday, February 23, 2001 - 12:56 pm asalam, to formerguest, may allah reward you for pointing out the truth. my advise to all the sis's and bro's is to take time out and study the real islam which allah (SWT)has revealed through our noble prophet(SAWS) and understand the religion how the companions and the three generations understood it and stop giving the scholars that have worked hard and devoted all their lives to learn, practice and teach islam, names that they don't deserve to be called. we should be thinking and working towards correcting ourselves and then correcting the rest of mankind. like the time of umar binul khadab and umar binul abdul-azez's. may allah guide us all to the right path that will leed us to his jannah 'aminn'. wasalam
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| | Friday, February 23, 2001 - 06:34 pm Why Does One have to follow a madhhab? Debate Between Muhammad Sa'id al-Buti and a Leading Salafi Teacher (c) Translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller 1995 Buti: “What is your method for understanding the rulings of Allah? Do you take them from the Qur’an and sunna, or from the Imams of ijtihad?” Salafi: “I examine the positions of the Imams and their evidences for them, and then take the closest of them to the evidence of the Qur’an and Sunna.” Buti: “You have five thousand Syrian pounds that you have saved for six months. You then buy merchandise and begin trading with it. When do you pay zakat on the merchandise, after six months, or after one year?” Salafi: [He thought, and said,] “Your question implies you believe zakat should be paid on business capital.” Buti: “I am just asking. You should answer in your own way. Here in front of you is a library containing books of Qur’anic exegesis, hadith, and the works of the mujtahid Imams.” Salafi: [He reflected for a moment, then said,] “Brother, this is din, and not simple matter. One could answer from the top of one’s head, but it would require thought, research, and study; all of which take time. And we have come to discuss something else.” Buti: I dropped the question and said, “All right. Is it obligatory for every Muslim to examine the evidences for the positions of the Imams, and adopt the closest of them to the Qur’an and Sunna?” Salafi: “Yes.” Buti: “This means that all people possess the same capacity for ijtihad that the Imams of the madhhabs have; or even greater, since without a doubt, anyone who can judge the positions of the Imams and evaluate them according to the measure of the Qur’an and sunna must know more than all of them.” Salafi: He said, “In reality, people are of three categories: the muqallid or ‘follower of qualified scholarship without knowing the primary textual evidence (of Qur’an and hadith)’; the muttabi‘, or ‘follower of primary textual evidence’; and the mujtahid, or scholar who can deduce rulings directly from the primary textual evidence (ijtihad). He who compares between madhhabs and chooses the closest of them to the Qur’an is a muttabi‘, a follower of primary textual evidence, which is an intermediate degree between following scholarship (taqlid) and deducing rulings from primary texts (ijtihad).” Buti: “Then what is the follower of scholarship (muqallid) obliged to do?” Salafi: “To follow the mujtahid he agrees with.” Buti: “Is there any difficulty in his following one of them, adhering to him, and not changing?” Salafi: “Yes there is. It is unlawful (haram).” Buti: “What is the proof that it is unlawful?” Salafi: “The proof is that he is obliging himself to do something Allah Mighty and Majestic has not obligated him to.” Buti: I said, “Which of the seven canonical readings (qira’at) do you recite the Qur’an in?” Salafi: “That of Hafs.” Buti: “Do you recite only in it, or in a different canonical reading each day.” Salafi: “No, I recite only in it.” Buti: “Why do you read only it when Allah Mighty and Majestic has not obliged you to do anything except to recite the Qur’an as it has been conveyed—with the total certainty of tawatur (being conveyed by witnesses so numerous at every stage of transmission that their sheer numbers obviate the possibility of forgery or alteration), from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)?” Salafi: “Because I have not had a opportunity to study other canonical readings, or recite the Qur’an except in this way.” Buti: “But the individual who learns the fiqh of the Shafi‘i school—he too has not been able to study other madhhabs or had the opportunity to understand the rules of his religion except from this Imam. So if you say that he must know all the ijtihads of the Imams so as to go by all of them, it follows that you too must learn all the canonical readings so as to recite in all of them. And if you excuse yourself because you cannot, you should excuse him also. In any case, what I say is: where did you get that it is obligatory for a follower of scholarship (muqallid) to keep changing from one madhhab to another, when Allah has not obliged him to? That is, just as he is not obliged to adhere to a particular madhhab, neither is he obliged to keep changing.” Salafi: “What is unlawful for him is adhering to one while believing that Allah has commanded him to do so.” Buti: “That is something else, and is true without a doubt and without any disagreement among scholars. But is there any problem with his following a particular mujtahid, knowing that Allah has not obliged him to do that?” Salafi: “There is no problem.” Buti: [Al-Khajnadi’s] al-Karras, which you teach from, contradicts you. It says this is unlawful, in some places actually asserting that someone who adheres to a particular Imam and no other is an unbeliever (kafir).” Salafi: He said, “Where?” and then began looking at the Karras, considering its texts and expressions, reflecting on the words of the author “Whoever follows one of them in particular in all questions is a blind, imitating, mistaken bigot, and is “among those who have divided their religion and are parties” [Qur’an 30:32]. He said, “By follows, he means someone who believes it legally obligatory for him to do so. The wording is a little incomplete.” Buti: I said, “What evidence is there that that’s what he meant? Why don’t you just say the author was mistaken?” Salafi: He insisted that the expression was correct, that it should be understood as containing an unexpressed condition [i.e. “provided one believes it is legally obligatory”], and he exonerated the writer from any mistake in it. Buti: I said, “But interpreted in this fashion, the expression does not address any opponent or have any significance. Not a single Muslim is unaware that following such and such a particular Imam is not legally obligatory. No Muslim does so except from his own free will and choice.” Salafi: “How should this be, when I hear from many common people and some scholars that it is legally obligatory to follow one particular school, and that a person may not change to another?” Buti: “Name one person from the ordinary people or scholars who said that to you.” He said nothing, and seemed surprised that what I said could be true, and kept repeating that he had thought that many people considered it unlawful to change from one madhhab to another. I said, “You won’t find anyone today who believes this misconception, though it is related from the latter times of the Ottoman period that they considered a Hanafi changing from his own school to another to be an enormity. And without a doubt, if true, this was something that was complete nonsense from them; a blind, hateful bigotry.” I then said, “Where did you get this distinction between the muqallid “follower of scholarship” and the muttabi‘ “follower of evidence”: Is there a original, lexical distinction [in the Arabic language], or is it merely terminological?” Salafi: “There is a lexical difference.” Buti: I brought him lexicons with which to establish the lexical difference between the two words, and he could not find anything. I then said: “Abu Bakr (Allah be well pleased with him) said to a desert Arab who had objected to the alotment for him agreed upon by the Muslims, ‘If the Emigrants accept, you are but followers’—using the word "followers" (tabi‘) to mean ‘without any prerogative to consider, question, or discuss.’” (Similar to this is the word of Allah Most High, “When those who were followed (uttubi‘u) disown those those who followed (attaba‘u) upon seeing the torment, and their relations are sundered” (Qur’an 2:166), which uses follow (ittiba‘) for the most basic blind imitation). Salafi: He said, “Then let it be a technical difference: don’t I have a right to establish a terminological usage?” Buti: “Of course. But this term of yours does not alter the facts. This person you term a muttabi‘ (follower of scholarly evidence) will either be an expert in evidences and the means of textual deduction from them, in which case he is a mujtahid. Or, if not an expert or unable to deduce rulings from them, then he is muqallid (follower of scholarly conclusions). And if he is one of these on some questions, and the other on others, then he is a muqallid for some and a mujtahid for others. In any case, it is an either-or distinction, and the ruling for each is clear and plain.” Salafi: He said, “The muttabi‘ is someone able to distinguish between scholarly positions and the evidences for them, and to judge one to be stronger than others. This is a level different to merely accepting scholarly conclusions. Buti: “If you mean,” I said, “by distinguishing between positions differentiating them according to the strength or weakness of the evidence, this is the highest level of ijtihad. Are you personally able to do this?” Salafi: “I do so as much as I can.” Buti: “I am aware,” I said, “that you give as a fatwas that a three fold pronouncement of divorce on a single occasion only counts as one time. Did you check, before this fatwa of yours, the positions of the Imams and their evidences on this, then differentiate between them, so to give the fatwa accordingly? Now, ‘Uwaymir al-‘Ajlani pronounced a three fold divorce at one time in the presence of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) after he had made public imprecation against her for adultery (li‘an), saying, ‘If I retain her, O Messenger of Allah, I will have lied against her: she is [hereby] thrice divorced.’ What do you know about this hadith and its relation to this question, and its bearing as evidence for the position of the scholarly majority [that a threefold divorce pronounced on a single occasion is legally finalized and binding] as opposed to the position of Ibn Taymiya [that a threefold divorce on a single occasion only counts as once]?” Salafi: “I did not know this hadith.” Buti: “Then how could you give a fatwa on this question that contradicts what the four madhhabs unanimously concur upon, without even knowing their evidence, or how strong or weak it was? Here you are, discarding the principle you say you have enjoined on yourself and mean to enjoin on us, the principle of “following scholarly evidence (ittiba‘)” in the meaning you have terminologically adopted.” Salafi: “At the time I didn’t own enough books to review the positions of the Imams and their evidence.” Buti: “Then what made you rush into giving a fatwa contravening the vast majority of Muslims, when you hadn’t even seen any of their evidences?” Salafi: “What else could I do? I asked and I only had a limited amount of scholarly resources.” Buti: “You could have done what all scholars and Imams have done; namely, say “I didn’t know,” or told the questioner the postition of both the four madhhabs and the postion of those who contravene them; without givng a fatwa for either side. You could have done this, or rather, this was what was obligatory for you, especially since the poblem was not personally yours so as to force you to reach some solution or another. As for your giving a fatwa contradicting the consensus (ijma‘) of the four Imams without knowing—by your own admission—their evidences, sufficing yourself with the agreement in your heart for the evidences of the opposition, this is the very utmost of the kind of bigotry you accuse us of.” Salafi: “I read the Imams’ opinions in [Nayl al-awtar, by] Shawkani, Subul al-salam [by al-Amir al-San‘ani], and Fiqh al-sunna by Sayyid Sabiq.” Buti: These are the books of the opponents of the four Imams on this question. All of them speak from one side of the question, mentioning the proofs that buttress their side. Would you be willing to judge one litigant on the basis of his words alone, and that of his witnesses and relatives?” Salafi: I see nothing blameworthy in what I have done. I was obliged to give the questioner an answer, and this was as much as I was able to reach with my understanding.” Buti: “You say you are a “follower of scholarly evidence (muttabi‘)” and we should all be likewise. You have explained “following evidence” as reviewing the positions of all madhhabs, studying their evidences, and adopting the closest of them to the correct evidence—while in doing what you have done, you have discarded the principle completely. You know that the unanimous consensus of the four madhhabs is that a threefold pronouncement of divorce on one occasion counts as a three fold, finalized divorce, and you know that they have evidences for this that you arae unaware of, despite which you turn from their consensus to the opinion that your personal preference desires. Were you certain beforehand that the evidence of the four Imams deserved to be rejected?” Salafi: No; but I wasn’t aware of them, since I didn’t have any reference works on them.” Buti: “Then why didn’t you wait? Why rush into it, when Allah never obligated you to do anything of the sort? Was your not knowing the evidences of the scholarly majority a proof tht Ibn Taymiya was right? Is the bigotry you wrongly accuse us of anything besides this?” Salafi: “I read evidences in the books available to me that convinced me. Allah has not enjoined me to do more than that.” Buti: “If a Muslim sees a proof for something in a the books he reads, is that a sufficient reason to disregard the madhhabs that contradict his understanding, even if he doesn’t know their evidences?” Salafi: “It is sufficient.” Buti: “A young man, newly religious, without any Islamic education, reads the word of Allah Most High “To Allah belongs the place where the sun rises and where it sets: wherever you turn, there is the countenance of Allah. Verily, Allah is the All-encompassing, the All-knowing (Qur’an 2:115), and gathers from it that a Muslim may face any direction he wishes in his prescribed prayers, as the ostensive purport of the verse implies. But he has heard that the four Imams unanimously concur upon the necessity of his facing towards the Kaaba, and he knows they have evidences for it that he is unaware of. What should he do when he wants to pray? Should he follow his conviction from the evidence available to him, or follow the Imam who unanimously concur on the contrary of what he has understood?” Salafi: “He should follow his conviction.” Buti: “And pray towards the east for example. And his prayer would be legally valid?” Salafi: “Yes. He is morally responsible for following his personal conviction.” Buti: “What if his personal conviction leads him to believe there is no harm in making love to his neighbor’s wife, or to fill his belly with wine, or wrongfully take others’ property: will all this be mitigated in Allah’s reckoning by “personal conviction”? Salafi: [He was silent for a moment, then said,] “Anyway, the examples you ask about are all fantasies that do not occur.” Buti: “They are not fantasies; how often the like of them occurs, or even stranger. A young man without any knowledge of Islam, its Book, its sunna, who happens to hear or read this verse by chance, and understands from it what any Arab would from its owtward purport, that there is no harm in someone praying facing any direction he wants—despite seeing people’s facing towards the Kaaba rather than any other direction. This is an ordinary matter, theoretically and practically, as long as there are those among Muslims who don’t know a thing about Islam. In any event, you have pronounced upon this example—imaginary or real—a judgement that is not imaginary, and have judged “personal conviction” to be the decisive criterion in any event. This contradicts your differentiating people into three groups: followers of scholars without knowing their evidence (muqallidin), followers of scholars’ evidence (muttabi‘in), and mujtahids.” Salafi: “Such a person is obliged to investigate. Didn’t he read any hadith, or any other Qur’anic verse?” Buti: He didn’t have any reference works available to him, just as you didn’t have any when you gave your fatwa on the question of [threefold] divorce. And he was unable to read anything other than this verse connected with facing the qibla and its obligatory character. Do you still insist that he must follow his personal conviction and disregard the Imams’ consensus?” Salafi: “Yes. If he is unable to evaluate and investigate further, he is excused, and it is enough for him to rely on the conclusions his evaluation and investigation lead him to.” Buti: “I intend to publish these remarks as yours. They are dangerous, and strange.” Salafi: “Publish whatever you want. I’m not afraid.” Buti: “How should you be afraid of me, when you are not afraid of Allah Mighty and Majestic, utterly discarding by these words the word of Allah Mighty and Majestic [in Sura al-Nahl] ‘Ask those who recall if you know not’ (Qur’an 16:43).” Salafi: “My brother,” he said, “These Imams are not divinely protected from error (ma‘sum). As for the Quranic verse that this person followed [in praying any direction], it is the word of Him Who Is Protected from All Error, may His glory be exalted. How should he leave the divinely protected and attach himself to the tail of the non-divinely-protected?” Buti: “Good man, what is divinely protected from error is the true meaning that Allah intended by saying, “To Allah belongs the place where the sun rises and where it sets . . .”—not the understanding of the young man who is as far as can be from knowing Islam, its rulings, and the nature of its Qur’an. That is to say, the comparison I am asking you to make is between two understandings: the understanding of this ignorant youth, and the understanding of the mujtahid Imams, neither of which is divinely protected from error, but one of which is rooted in ignorance and superficiality, and the other of which is rooted in investigation, knowledge, and accuracy.” Salafi: “Allah does not make him responsible for more than his effort can do.” Buti: “Then answer me this question. A man has a child who suffers from some infections, and is under the care of all the doctors in town, who agree he should have a certain medicine, and warn his father against giving him an injection of penicillin, and that if he does, he will be exposing the child’s life to destruction. Now, the father knows from having read a medical publication that penicillin helps in cases of infection. So he relies on his own knowledge about it, disregards the advice of the doctors since he doesn’t know the proof for what they say, and employing instead his own personal conviction, treats the child with a penicillin injection, and thereafter the child dies. Should such a person be tried, and is he guilty of a wrong for what he did, or not?” Salafi: [He thought for a moment and then said,] “This is not the same as that.” Buti: “It is exactly the same. The father has heard the unanimous judgement of the doctors, just as the young man has heard the unanimous judgement of the Imams. One has followed a single text he read in a medical publication, the other has followed a single text he has read in the Book of Allah Mighty and and Majestic. This one has gone by personal conviction, and so has that.” Salafi: “Brother, the Qur’an is light. Light. In its clarity as evidence, is light like any other words?” Buti: “And the light of the Qur’an is reflected by anyone who looks into it or recites it, such that he understands it as light, as Allah meant it? Then what is the difference between those who recall [Qur’an 16:43] and anyone else, as long as all partake of this light? Rather, the two above examples are comparable, there is no difference between them at all; you must answer me: does the person investigating—in each of the two examples—follow his personal conviction, or does he follow and imitate specialists?” Salafi: “Personal conviction is the basis.” Buti: “He used personal conviction, and it resulted in the death of the child. Does this entail any responsibility, moral or legal?” Salafi: “It doesn’t entail any responsibility at all.” Buti: I said, “Then let us end the investigation and discussion on this last remark of yours, since it closes the way to any common ground between you and me on which we can base a discussion. It is sufficient that with this bizarre answer of yours, you have departed from the consensus of the entire Islamic religion. By Allah, there is no meaning on the face of the earth for disgusting bigotry if it is not what you people have” (al-Lamadhhabiyya (b01), 99–108). Buti concludes the story by saying: I do not know then, why these people don’t just let us be, to use our own “personal conviction” that someone ignorant of the rules of religion and the proofs for them must adhere to one of the mujtahid Imams, imitating him because of the latter’s being more aware than himself of the Book of Allah and sunna of His messenger. Whatever the mistake in this opinion in their view let it be given the general amnesty of “personal conviction.” like the example of him who turns his back to the qibla and is his prayer is valid, or him who kills a child and the killing is “ijtihad” and “medical treatment”
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| | Friday, February 23, 2001 - 09:16 pm This is the true version.....Sufis everytime you'll post lies rest assured we will post the truth. The truth of the matter is you Guys think Allah is everywhere and that your saints are divine. So you guy worship people as well as God. This is the bottom line! Here is the actual debate. 'Al-Buti versus a leading Salafi Teacher' is a debate translated by Nuh Ha Meem Keller from the book 'Laa Madh-habiyyah' of Sa`eed Ramadaan al-Buti in which he apparently makes this Salafi Teacher look like a fool. The full text can be found on Mas`ud Khan's Homepage. Ever since I first read this debate I remember being astonished at some of> the answers that this Salafi Teacher gave, knowing that even a beginner in Salafiyyah would not have answered in some of the ways these questions put by al-Buti were answered. I therefore concluded that this narrative must have been grossly exaggerated by al-Buti, especially since it was obvious that he was quoting from memory and not from a tape or book, however I kept my suspicions quiet as I had no proof. Recently while reading through the book 'Bid`atut Ta`assub al-Madh-habiyyah' by Shaykh 'Eed al-Abbaasee I came to realise that the Salafi Teacher mentioned above was none other then this noble Shaykh! This because he presents a chapter in his book devoted to this debate in which he outlines the gross lies that al-Buti leveled against him. In one of the points he brings [which will be translated later insha`Allaah] he openly calls al-Buti to a Mubaahalah to show which of the two is lying. What follows is a translation from the book [pp. 291+] I have included excerpts from relevant passages from Kellers translation and then listed the comments of the Shaykh. ===================================== Al-Buti concluded 'Laa Madh-habiyyah' by narrating a specific debate that occurred between myself and him claiming that this section was more important than all of the previous sections [of his book] because it clearly showed a sectarianism that would not be found in any intelligent person. Then he narrated this debate in a distorted fashion and a way that was far removed from what actually occurred. We have already seen a glimpse at the lies he directed against al-Ma`soomee, may Allaah have mercy upon him, and the Salafees in general while his book and the books of the Salafees are freely available! So after this it is not strange that he should lie against me when this debate was not public, neither was it recorded and no one witnessed it except a few people. However these people are still alive so whosoever wishes to establish what follows then let him ask them. THE FIRST LIE: Al-Buti wrote as translated by Keller: Buti: I dropped the question and said, "all right. Is it obligatory upon every Muslim to examine the evidences for the positions of the Imams and adopt the closest of them to the Qur`aan and Sunnah?" Salafi [i.e. al-Abbaasee]: "yes." Shaykh Eed al-Abbaasee says: I bring Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, to witness that this quote is a complete and utter lie, totally concocted! For I never answered in this fashion and neither is it conceivable that I would give this answer! Rather I said to him what he quoted from me after the next sentence, "the people are divided into three categories - the Muqallid, the Muttabi` and the Mujtahid...." Furthermore this second quote he brings goes to show the fallacy of his first quote for it in no way conforms to it. Again I bring Allaah to witness that I repeatedly mentioned to him that I agreed with him in that the one incapable of investigating and studying [in a scholarly fashion] must perform taqleed and that this was not the topic of our discussion. The difference occurred in the case of the one who was capable of studying and investigating from those who were included in the level of Mujtahid and Muttabi`, however he kept on returning to the case of the one who was incapable of investigation. Then after all of this he lies and writes in his book this fabricated response from me. Indeed Allaah will bring him to account! THE SECOND LIE: Al-Buti wrote as translated by Keller: Buti: "That is something else, and is true without a doubt and without any disagreement among the scholars. But is there any problem with him following a particular mujtahid, knowing that Allaah has not obliged him to do that?" Salafi: "There is no problem." Buti: [Al-Khajnadi's] al-Karras, which you teach from, contradicts you. It says that this is unlawful, in some places actually asserting that someone who adheres to a particular Imam and no other is an unbeliever (kafir)." Salafi: He said, "where?" and began looking at the Karras, considering its texts and expressions, reflecting on the words of the author "Whoever follows one of them in particular in all questions is a blind, imitating, mistaken bigot and is "among those who have divided their religion and are parties" [Qur`an 30:32]. He said, "By follows, he means someone who believes it legally obligatory for him to do so. The wording is a little incomplete." Buti: I said, "What evidence is there that that's what he meant? Why don't you just say the author was mistaken?" Salafi: He insisted that the expression was correct, that it should be understood as containing an unexpressed condition and he exonerated the reader from any mistake in it. Let us read what really happened. Shaykh 'Eed writes: Al-Buti asked me about my opinion concerning the words of al-Ma`soomee in his book: that whosoever clings firmly to a specific madh-hab in every issue is a partisan and mistaken, performing taqleed in a blind fashion. My reply to him was: "What I understand from this book [as a whole], in the light of various evidences, that al-Ma`soomee meant that whosoever follows a specific madh-hab in every issue while believing that Allaah had obligated this upon him [then he is a partisan...]. One part of his book explains the other and as a whole it shows that he is attacking partisanship to a particular madh-hab and rejecting the condition of those who have come across that which contradicts the Book and Sunnah in their madh-hab and they are from those people who have the ability to investigate and study [in a scholarly fashion] yet despite this they turn away from the Book and Sunnah and stick to the stance of their madh-hab." Even after all of this I said to him: "It would have been upon al-Ma`soomee to further clarify this for in this sentence of his there is [some] deficiency." However this is what he quoted from me: "there is [some] deficiency in this sentence" and said after this: "but the man persisted in claiming that the sentence was correct and that it was to be understood in the sense that the governing words had been omitted and that al-Ma`soomee was free of any error in it." I bring Allaah to witness that this is a complete lie and I do not know how his contradictory quotes from me could ever stand in the mind of an intelligent person, especially when they are only two lines apart! Does al-Buti not give any respect to the minds of the intelligent who would clearly see this contradictory [quote] and reject it?! Is it possible that a Muslim would say that anyone other than the Messengers and Prophets were free of any error?! THE THIRD LIE: Al-Buti writes as quoted by Keller: Buti: "A young man, newly religious, without any Islamic education, reads the word of Allaah Most High, "To Allah belongs the place where the sun rises and where it sets: wherever you turn there is the countenance of Allaah. Verily Allah is the All-encompassing, the All-knowing." [Qur`an 2:115] and gathers from it that a Muslim may face any direction he wishes in his prescribed prayers as the ostensive purport of the verse implies. But he has heard that the four Imams unanimously concur upon the necessity of his facing the Kaaba, and he knows that they have evidences for it that he is unaware of. What should he do when he wants to pray? Should he follow the Imams who unanimously concur on the contrary of what he understood?" Salafi: "He should follow his conviction." Buti: "And pray towards the east for example. And his prayer would be legally valid?" Salafi: "Yes. He is morally responsible for following his personal conviction." .... Buti: "I intend to publish these remarks of yours. They are dangerous and strange." Salafi: "Publish whatever you want. I'm not afraid." Buti: "How should you be afraid of me when you are not afraid of Allah Mighty and Majestic, utterly discarding by these words the word of Allah Might and Majestic 'Ask those who recall if you know not.' [Qur`an 16:43]" Let us see what really was said. Shaykh Eed writes: The example that al-Buti brought, in which he exaggerated and shouted, was to consider the case of a youth who recited the saying of Allaah, "To Allaah belongs the East and West so wheresoever you turn there is the Face of Allaah." He distorted the discussion, omitted part of it and deliberately distorted the understanding of my answer such that he totally altered the context of this discussion. To explain, he asked me about the ruling of the one who heard the above mentioned verse and understood from it that he could face any direction in prayer. It reached him that the Four Imaams had said that it was obligatory to face the Qiblah only, however their evidence for this did not reach him. Then he stood to pray - where should he face? I asked: "Does this youth understand Arabic well?" He [al-Buti] said: "yes, like yourself." I said: then let him look just a little after this verse for he will find His saying, "so turn your face in the direction of the Holy Mosque." He said: "Let us assume that he has only heard this verse and he does not have the Mus-haf with him." I said: "Let him ask a scholar for the evidences and to reconcile what he has read with the opinion of the Four Madh-habs." He said: "Lets assume he is in the desert, there is no scholar or jurist with him." I said: "This is an imaginary example that would not occur in reality so there is no need to busy ourselves with it." He said: "Let it be an imaginary circumstance, what is the ruling?" I said: He should follow what seems more obvious to him arising from his personal ijtihaad. If I was in his place I would have followed the verse and were I later to find that I was in error then my belief is that Allaah would not bring me to account for this because I did all that I could in that situation and fulfilled my obligation. However the youth can also follow the opinion of the Four madh-habs that has reached him and I see no harm in this if this is what he decides to be the stronger course. However the best course is to follow the verse because it is the Speech of Allaah and constitutes evidence in and of itself and should not be left for doubt or error. The Four Imaams on the other hand are men and it is possible that they err even if their errors occur rarely. At this point al-Buti began to rant and rave, raising his voice, fuming with rage and exclaimed: "There is no harm in your view that he prays in a direction other than the Qiblah, leaves the saying of the Four Imaams and you consider his prayer to be valid?!" I said: Yes, because the circumstances that you put him in [in this example] and imagined do not allow him to come to know the Sharee`ah ruling with certainty and therefore he has to exert himself in trying to ascertain it to his utmost ability. He believes that the noble verse shows that he can pray in any direction and that this is the stronger course because the Qur`aan constitutes proof in and of itself. On the other hand he has the mere saying of these Imaams and their proof has not reached him and therefore [under these circumstances] it constitutes only opinion. Evidence takes precedence over opinion in the eyes of all the People of Knowledge. Imaam Ahmad, may Allaah have mercy upon him said, 'the opinion of al-Awzaa`ee, Maalik, Abu Haneefah is only opinion and it is all the same to me. The proof lies with the hadeeth.'" The debate on this point continued for some time and al-Buti was unable to bring a single evidence that would prove that the prayer of this youth was invalid in these circumstances. All he did was to shout and exaggerate, threatening to publish my words to the people in order to frighten me. I said to him: spread my words as you like for I do not fear your publishing what I believe to be correct and the truth. His reply was vile and I have no doubt that Allaah will bring him to a painful account for it. He said: "You do not fear Allaah so how can you fear me?" The meaning of this is that he has accused me of that which resembles disbelief for I do not believe that you will find a Muslim who does not fear Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent. I reminded him of the danger of this accusation and the severity of its sin in the Sight of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent. I reminded him of the hadeeth of the hadeeth of Usaamah bin Zayd wherein the anger of the Prophet (SAW) was severe when he learned of his killing the disbeliever even after he had uttered the Shahaadatayn. Usaamah tried to excuse himself saying that he only said out of fear for his life. The Prophet (SAW) said: Did you split open his heart? Instead of retracting after hearing this hadeeth, al-Buti only increased in arrogance and repeated the last sentence 'did you split open his heart' in a vile fashion. He mockingly repeated it, mimicking my voice such that even those who were listening objected! Then I said to him: Allaah will call you to account for this. He said: Let Him take me to account! These are the manners of al-Buti O noble reader! [Then follows some emphatic advice to al-Buti to correct his manners and know his standing.] ======================= He mentions further lies, that I will insha`Allaah translate soon, commencing with the section I have omitted from the last quote of Kellers translation. Some of these even exceed what we have seen above!! And Our Lord Most High Knows best.
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| | Friday, February 23, 2001 - 09:34 pm assalamu alaikum. After long hours of reading this page entirely, I decided to leave it a lone. I cannot participate with this unnecessary discuses. Anyway I have to appreciate some brothers like Formerguest who is donating his efforts to the cost of Allah may Allah forgive him. Jasakumulahu khayran.
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| | Saturday, February 24, 2001 - 07:50 pm So Who Are Ahl ul-Hadith? Author: Shaikh Rabee' bin Haadee al-Madkhalee They are those who proceed upon the way of the Companions and those who followed them in righteousness, in clinging to the Book and the Sunnah, biting onto that with their molar teeth, and letting them (i.e., the Qur'aan and the Sunnah) take precedence over any statement or code and conduct - whether in belief, or acts of worship such as dealings and transactions, mannerisms, politics or social life. They are those who are firm in regards to the fundamentals of the religion and its subsections, upon that which Allaah sent down and revealed upon his servant and Messenger Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). They are those establishing the call to that with all effort, sincerity and firm will. They are those carrying the knowledge of the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), expelling from it the distortions of those who have exaggerated (in its regard) and the undue claims of the people of falsehood and the interpretations of the ignorant ones. They are those who are observant and lie in wait for every group that has deviated from the way of Islaam, like the Jahmees and the Mu'tazilees and the Khawaarij and the Rawaafidh and the Murji'ah and the Qadriyyah and all of those who have deviated from the way of Allaah and have followed their desires in every time and place - they not affected by the reproach of the blamers, in the cause of Allaah They are the group that the Messenger of Allaah has praised and commended in his saying, "There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them until the hour is established." [1] They are the Saved Sect firm upon that which the Messenger and his Companions were upon, those who have been distinguished and defined by the Messenger of Allaah when he mentioned that this Ummah shall divide into seventy three sects all going to the Hell-fire except one and it was said, "Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?" He said, "They are those who are upon that which I and my Comapnions are upon." And this is not something we say in exageration or a mere claim, but verily we speak a reality that the text of the Qur'aan and the Sunnah bears witness to, which history bears witness to, and to which their (i.e., the Ahlul-Hadeeth's) statements, their state of affairs, their writings and works also bear witness to. They are those who put before their eyes the statement of Allaah: And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allaah. [2] And His statement: And let those who oppose the Messengers commandment beware lest some fitnah befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them. [3] They are the most staunch in distancing themselves from opposing the command of the Messenger and the most distant from fitnah. They are those who make their constitution: But no, by your Lord! They can have no faith, until they make you (O Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam)) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept them with full submission. [4] They are those who give to the Qur'aan and the Sunnah their true worth and give it the honour and veneration it deserves, giving priority to them over all the statements of mankind, and give precedence to their guidance over the guidance of all the people, and they judge by them in all affairs with complete pleasure, with chests which are expanded and free of restraint or constriction, and they submit to Allaah and His Messenger (with) a complete submission in their 'aqeedah and their worship and their dealings. They are those concerning whom the statement of Allaah holds true: The only saying of the faithful believers when they are called to Allaah and His Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) to judge between them, is that they say, "We hear and we obey," and such are the prosperous ones.[5] They after all of the Comapanions - and at the head of them the rightly guided Caliphs - are the leaders of the taabi'een and at the head of them: Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyib (d. 90H), 'Urwah ibn Zubair (d. 94H), 'Alee ibn al-Hussain Zain al-'Aabideen (d. 93H), Muhammad ibn Hanafiya (d. 80H), 'Ubaydullaah ibn 'Abdillaah ibn 'Utbah ibn Mas'ood (d. 94H or later), Saleem ibn 'Abdillaah ibn 'Umar (d. 106H), Qaasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abee Bakr as-Sadeeq (d. 106H), al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H), Muhammad ibn Sireen (d. 110H), 'Umar ibn 'Abdul-'Azeez (d. 101H) and Muhammad ibn Shihaab az-Zuhree (d. 125H). Then the Atbaa'at-Taabi'een and at the head of them: Imaam Maalik (d. 179H), al-Awzaa'ee (d. 157H), Sufiyaan ibn Sa'eed ath-Thawree (d. 161H), Sufyaan ibn Uyayna (d. 198H), Ismaa'eel ibn Ubya??? (d. 193H), Layth ibn Sa'd (d. 175H) and Aboo Haneefah an-Nu'maan (d. 150H). Then those who followed them and at the head of them: 'Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak (d. 181H), Wakee' ibn al-Jarraah (d. 197H), the Imaam Muhammad ibn Idrees ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 204H), 'Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Mahdee (d. 198H), Yahya ibn Sa'eed al-Qataan (d. 198H) and Afaan ibn Muslim (d. 219H). Then their students who followed them in this methodology, and at the head of them: the Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241H), Yahya ibn Ma'een (d. 233H) and 'Alee ibn al-Madeenee (d. 234H). Then their students like al-Bukhaaree (d. 256H), Muslim (d. 261H), Abee Haatim (d. 277H), Abee Zara' (Aboo Zur'ah?) (d. 264H), Aboo Daawood (d. 275H), at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) and an-Nasaa'ee (d. 303H). Then those who proceeded in their way in the generations that preceded them, like Ibn Jareer (at-Tabaree?) (d. 310H), Ibn Khuzaymah (d. 311H), ad-Daaraqutnee (d. 385H) in his time, al-Khateeb al-Baghdaadee (d. 463H) and Ibn 'Abdul-Barr an-Niwaaree (d. 463H). And 'Abdul-Ghanee al-Maqdasee (d. 620H), Ibn Salaah (d. 643H), Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728H), al-Mizzee (d. 743H), adh-Dhahabee (d. 748H), Ibn Katheer (d. 774H) and their contemporaries who lived in their time and those who came after them, and followed their footsteps in holding on to the Book and the Sunnah up until the present day. These are who I mean by Ahlul-Hadeeth. NOTES [1] Hadeeth saheeh, collected by Muslim (3/1523), Ahmad (5/278-279), Aboo Dawood (3/4), Tirmidhee (4/420), Ibn Maajah (1/4-5), Haakim (4/449-450), at-Tabaraanee in Mu'jam al-Kabeer (7643) and Aboo Daawood at-Tayaalisi (p. 94, no. 689). Authenticated by al-Albaanee in As-Saheehah (270-1955). haqq@canada.com
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 08:45 am salaamu alaykum I thought there where no more SUFEES excite, after the clear prove has come to them. But when I thought back to my self it looks like I am a Sufi forums. Learn THE MANHAJ, AQEEDAH, AND THE WAY OF AL-LULHADEETH, AH-LUL AATHAAR, FIRQATUNAAJIYAH, AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM. Which means according to history ABDUL WAHAAB is one of them, therefore those of you who are insulting the "CULUMAA" of AH-LUL HADEETH need to understand ISLAAM because you ppl have AQEEDAH problem. It also looks to me that you ppl have the ideology of western style, was that the way of the prophet(s.cw) which same of you will claim. I have nothing more to say, but if search I can find tones of information giants SUFEES. Which respectful of AH-LUL SUNNAH (ULAMAA) HAVE SAID, ONE OF THEM BEING A OUR IMAAM SHAFI-EE AND HIS FOLLOWERS. WALAYKUM MASALAAM.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 11:48 am salamu aleykum by the way don't post on this thing alot... lets stop here insha Allah... dont you see they don't respond anything on our topics... suhc as The creed of Imam Taramathee.. and creed of Imam al-shafee etc...(because its like blazing fire on them...) THey only want this thing to go up and the more you respnd the more people will read so be aware ..... I mean if had we respond only two times thats would had been better. THey want this disscusin to continue and people read. ANd goes up to 100... The other thing I want to stress don't read everything people of bida write, it's dangrous to the heart it may lead douts to enter the heart of the person....Or confusion to come to you. Salamu aleykum
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 02:43 pm MOGADISCIANO SORRY BROTHER, I WAS TRAVELLING FOR THE PAST 3 WEEKS AND HAD NO ACCESS TO THE WEB SITE. I SHALL BE TRAVELLING AGAIN SOON INSHA'ALLAH. ALSO, I HAVE SO MUCH TO CATCH UP ON THE DIFFERENT THREADS AND BUSINESS WISE. PLEADW FORGIVE ME. MEANWHILE YOU CAN WRITE TO ME AT MERCANO2001@HOTMAIL.COM.
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