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     | Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 09:42 pm Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah my dear brothers and sisters in faith. This sufism issue is truly killing me... subhannallah! I tried to ignore it, but the truth has to come out one time or another. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]. My dear brother and sisters, Allah chose Islam as a religion for us, and not sufism. I don't know about you guys, but, I always thought the prophet (saw) was a Muslim. So, what's up with people claiming they are sufis? Did the Prophet (saw) say he was a sufi? Did the companions say they were a sufi? Moreover, did the best three generations say that they were sufis? Where did the term sufism originate from? Some questions for you to ponder about. Wallahi... this reminds me too much of the hadeeth were prophet Muhamad (saw), on the authority of Ibn Masuud, stated that Islam would be divided into 73 sects - all in the hell-fire except for one (paraphrased of course, however, it can be found in Saheeh Bukhaari). What is that ONE sect, that of the Qur'an and AUTHENTIC sunnah. We see all this division now-a-days... it truly is scary! Subhanna-Allah. If we strictly follow the Qur'an and AUTHENTIC sunnah, then we will be of the saved sect - wallahu 'alam. Suffism is not completely according to the Qur'an and sunnah. Masha-Allah, a lot of the things that they do is excellent, I wont deny that. Nevertheless, a lot of the things they do and practice is innovated... such as the adhkaar, the prophet's birthday, and the list goes on! (If any of you want proof, just tell me and I'll post it insha-Allah). What did our beloved prophet (saw) say about innovation? Well.. he said: The prophet (saw) said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) that is not a part of it, will have it rejected.” as well as... "...The worst matters (in creed or worhsip) are those innovated (by people), for every such innovated matter is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is an act of misguidance that deserves the fire." OUR RELGION IS COMPLETE!!! There is absolutely no need to add anything to it. Furthermore, the prophet (saw) was the best example for us. Follow His sunnah, and not the so-called sufi "sheikhs" sunnah. In addition, even things as basic as aqeedah are sometimes twisted around. For instance, when it comes to interpreting a verse of the Qur'an, they (the sufi "scholars" )will abandon the understanding of the companions who were well known for their scholarship in the interpretation of the meaning of the Qur'an, such as Ibn Abbas (RA), and instead use their own "logical" interpretation. A prime example is the ayah where Allah the most high states: "And indeed We have created man, and We know what his ownself whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein." (Suratul Qaaf: ayah 16) From this, the sufi scholars have gathered that Allah is everywhere (i.e. that he is omnipresent). Wal'iyathubillah! Allah is NOT everywhere; He is above his throne in a manner befitting Him, as he indicates many times in the Qur'an... "He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then Istawa (rose over) the throne" (Suratal Hadid: ayah 4) Allah (swt) is closer than our own jugular vein BY HIS KNOWLEDGE - wallahu 'alam. My dear brothers and sister in Islam, please do wake up! Only one sect will be saved from the hellfire. So let us open our eyes and clearly examine the path that we are upon. Is it the path of the Qur'an and authentic sunnah? I have been in a sufi school myself (Jami'a Abu Nur in Damascus Syria), and have seen the innovation with my own eyes (dark room... dhikr... dancing... you know what I'm talking about - amongst other things). Could you imagine the prophet (saw) doing this? Furthermore, in my university, I am taking this Islamic class whereby the prof and the T.A.'s are completely anti-islamic and the only reason why they are studying Islam is to convert Muslims to Christians (nb. the only reason why I am taking it is so that I can correct them... and boy is it fun!). They (prof and T.A.s) love sufism, shism, ismaelism, and all those deviated sects. My own father, who has left Islam and isn't even a Muslim, always says, "if I were to become a Muslim again, I would become a sufi." I wonder why? May Allah guide him if he deserves to be guided... Ameen! Please... wake up my dear brothers and sister. This my sincere advice, from me to you. If I have spoken correctly, then it is from Allah alone, and if I have made any error then it is from myself and from Satan. I ask for Allah's forgiveness at the beginning and the end, outwardly and inwardly, and our final call is that all praise and thanks are due to Allah. Fee amamillah.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 05:57 am Asalama alaikum brother stranger i totally agree with you and strongly support your statement. one question if you don't mind are you somali and is your father somali. subhana-allah it surprises me when i hear that somali people have lift there religion may allah guide him back to islam and keep us on the path of al-islam ishall, there is an ayat in al-imram no 8 ( which means 'rabana change our hearts after you have guided us). I remember the hadith which means ( there will come a time when the muslims will leave there homes as muslims and return as kaffrs and the kaffrs return as muslims. there is a lot of that at the moment may allah save us from it. may allah increase our knowledge of the deen. your sister in islam wasalam
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 06:33 am STRANGER N IFRAH CONTEMPULATE AND ALL YOU WILL FIND IS THAT YOU ARE A LIVING EXAMPLE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO AS LOST. REMEMBER, VISION DOES NOT ENCOMPASS ALLAH SWT, HE ENCOMPASSES VISION. BEWARE OF LIMITING ALLAH SWT WITH DIRECTION, PLACE, PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES, XAASHAH!!. "YAA AYUHALADHIINU AAMANU, IJTINIBUU BI KHUTUBAATI SHAYTAAN INAHU LAKUM CADUWUN MUBIIN, INMAA YA'MURUKUM BI SUU'I WAL FAXSHAA'I WA AN TAQUULUU CALA LAAHI MAALAA TACLAMUUN." O believers beware of the tricks of Shaytan, he orders you of bad deeds,.... and to say about Allah what you know nothing about. Non muslims coming to Islam through Tasawuf, not Wahabism. Traditional Muslims Ahlul Tasawuf left their homes like you(left Somalia), and coming back as Wahabis. May Allah Guide us.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 08:40 am STRANGER SURELY YOU WRITE STRANGE THINGS. "WA HUWA MACAKUM AYNAMAA KUNTUM.", 'and He (ALLAH, SWT) is with you wherever you are', Holy Quran. YOU WROTE, ".... Masha-Allah, a lot of the things that they do is excellent, I wont deny that. Nevertheless, a lot of the things they do and practice is innovated... such as the adhkaar, the prophet's birthday, and the list goes on!" YOU SAY ADKAAR IS INNOVATION. CELEBRATION OF PROPHET BIRTH IS INNOVATION. FIRST OF ALL ADKAAR ARE ORDERED AND EMPHASIZED IN HOLY QURAN MORE OFTEN THAN SALAT. DIKR IS MENTIONED IN HOLY QURAN OVER A THOUSAND TIMES, WHEREAS, SALAT IS MENTIONED IN THE HUNDREDS. 'INA SALAT TANHAA CANIL FAXSHAAI WAL MUNKARI.....WALI DHIKRULLAHI AKBAR. ..WADHKUR RABAKA KATHIIRAN WA SABIX BIL CASHIYI WAL IBKAAR. ...and it goes on and on and on. AS FOR HOLINESS OF BIRTH OF PROPHETS, "..SALAMUN CALAYA YUMA WULIDTU, WA YUUMA AMUUTU ...." Nabi Ciisa CS says Peace be upon me the day I was born,...HOLY QURAN. ALLAH SWT SAID REFERING TO YAXYA CS, "SALAMUN CALAYA YOOMA WULIDDA..." Peace be upon him (YAXYAH), the day he was born. ARE YOU SAYING THAT NABI CIISA, CS, INNOVATED OR YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCUSE ALLAH SWT????????? Some people are square headed. There heads have corners and limits. Tazkiyatu Nafs, Sufism, as you call will help you break away from those shell. Take yourself a teacher, Shaykh, stop being proud and learn. Pride is Shaytanic sunnah. Shaytan has more knowledge than you and I. Pride distroyed him. Don't say there is no such thing. Say Allah knows best. You go years to school, college, university, etc. to understand basic wordly knowledge, yet you want to teach yourself Holy Quran in one, two readings. What is this foolishness. "QUL LOW KAANAL BAXRU MIDDADDAN LIKALIMAATU RABII LINAFIDAL BAXRU QABLA AN TANFIDHA KALIMAATU RABII WA LOO JI'NAA MIN MITHLIHII MADDADDAA." Say if whole oceans were ink for the words of thy Lord, the oceans would run out, before the words of thy Lord, even if your Lord brings forth similar oceans. Stranger, remember, for the frog in the well, the immensity of the sky is only the circumfrence of the well. Get out of the WAHABI well and see the true emense of ISLAM at the capacity of your God given vision and mind. Ifrah, your fathers and their fathers spent minimum 19 hours a day studying and contempulating Islam under guided Shaykhs, do not under estimate the knowledge they possesed as they put in flavorable and digestable manners. Have adab, do not take on the footsteps of Sahaytan. What is above is from Quran and Quran only, and you can take oceans of knowledge from Holy Quran if you become from the people Allah, SWT, refers to as ULIL ADHKAAR.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 09:40 am LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL@Mercano. I am extending you an invitation to the "jam" going down at our local sufi mosque. All proceeds go to Allah. There will be the best music artists from Syria and Jordan present. There will be no dress code, and you will be allowed to wear head gear. And for you younger ones,(Mercano), it is an all ages "jam"  Please do have fun, and there will be ablsolutely no light! That's right! Bump your heads against the "scholars" in hopes of magically gaining knowledge from them! Refreshments will be served! Witness as the "Sheikhs" magically turn normal water into ZAM-ZAM water! It is going to be the event of the year! For more information, please leave your phone number here, and I will be happy to call you! So finally: Marcaano, come and show us just how religious you are by your hip movements, and screaming of allah's name to the point where it's deafening. Other deviant Muslims will also be present, especially those from the opposite sex. And guess what! ALLAH will be present! He is everywhere is he not! He'll be there watchin your moves in person, so you have an even better chance of dancing your way into heaven...
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 10:36 am salam to stranger can you please tell me what the good things these people do as i don't know any
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 04:07 pm Stranger bro/sis I totally agree with you and may allah guide your father I am truly sorry. Mercano: Why do we need to take a sheikh? that is just beyond me. If it is so that you can ascribe to him powers that don't belong to him then forget it, it is pure shirk. And I don't see how you could deduce that we have to celebrate the prophet's birthday by reading "Peace be upon him the day he was born". you are square headed. Talk about reading too much into the verse and saying about allah what you know not of.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 04:09 pm Out of curiousity are you that mad sufi guy
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 08:24 pm Somalilander, If it was not Shaykh Isxaq and Tasawuf your kind of knuckle head would be impossible to be brought to heed. You should be thankful. As it is evident from your comic claims those that believe Allah SWT is everywhere, that he sees them and they remember him would not engage to what you are claiming even if their iman was not strong. To give the example, it is a human nature to check their speed and driving practice upon spotting a highway patrol. Me wearing my head gear, if I accidently enter a nightclub or such place you described, I shall be told that the mosque is across the street, while you blend in and since you believe that your Lord does not see you!!! Who knows what you might commit. With my gear I am reminded to behave for I represent a Diin, what do you wear? Scarf at the best, like a Wahabi? You believe Shaytan is everywhere with everyone at all times, yet you limit your Lord’s Omnipresence, may Allah save you from Shaytan’s tricks. Truly your baseless cartoon painting is not worth commenting. Neither you have caqiiddah, nor knowledge to discus anything. For you, laka Shaytanak wa liya diin. Sweetgirl It is a good and legitimate question NOWADAYS. Allah SWT said that Holy Quran has been brought down as Medicine, Shifa, and Mercy, Raxmah for believers... Now consider this, endless books are available on heart surgery, if I give you all those books, would you be able to perform open heart surgery successfully by reading books. You would be a butcher, like Somalilander, killing people through their hearts. So you do need a guide, a trainer, lab sessions, etc. Ask yourself these questions, WHY REVELATION DID NOT GO DIRECTLY TO PROPHET, SWT, WHY HE HAD JIBRIEL CS AS A GUIDE? WHY NABI MUSA CS, WHO WAS KALIMULLAHI, TALKING TO ALLAH WENT TO KHIDR, CS, AND ASK HIM, “Hal attibicuka an tuclimanii mima culimta rushdaa.. MAY I PLEASE ACCOMPANY YOU SO YOU MAY TEACH ME ….. He was already talking to Allah SWT directly, then why..he was the Messenger of that time, revealed Torat. Learn what from Khidr?? Get Tafsiir of Surat ul Kahf, by Sahykh Hisham Kabbani, or read Tafsiir ruuxul bayaan, … As I said earlier, it is foolish to say that you need a teacher or guide for basic education such as chemistry and physics but not heavenly knowledge?? TRULY THERE IS NOTHING TO TELL YOU HERE. YOU SHOULD KNOW THESE….
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 08:26 pm SWEETGIRL Out of couriosity are you flavoring yourself to flirt? TO ALL OF YOU I HAVE A PLANE TO CATCH. CATCH UP WITH YOU IN 3 WEEKS INSHA'ALLAH. WAHABIS HEED.
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| | Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 10:13 pm Mercano. If you read the Quran and understood it well in light of what it taught, you would notice that THE CHRISTIANS invented something(ruhbaniyah/sufism) INTO THEIR RELIGION claiming the LOVE OF ALLAH and were lost because of that. Allah said about them: "57.27 Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. BUT THE MONASTICISM WHICH THEY INVENTED FOR THEMSELVES, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors." Why follow the footsteps of those who received the book before us and do exactly what they did?. Isn't the Quran and Sunnah enough for someone who wants to worship Allah?. The prophet pbuh told us the truth that we will follow their footsteps step by step untill we enter wherever they entered. From Bukhari: The prophet pbuh said: Volume 4, Book 56, Number 662: Narrated Abu Said: The Prophet said, "You will follow the wrong ways, of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a mastigure, you too will go there." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else?" (Meaning, of course, the Jews and the Christians.) I have hard time separating between the beliefs of SUFIS and SOME BELIEFS of christians and other polytheists. One of the beliefs is the presence of ALLAH in everything(Tacaalallahu cammaa yaquuluuna culuwan kabiira). Wallaahi this is a serious OFFENSE and one that goes against ALLAH'S TEACHINGS. How many verses in the QURAN teach that Allah is above all and everything that he created and nothing is above him?. How many hadiths?. Sufis and those who have the same CAQIIDA ignore those verses or twist their meanings to make the verses of Allah fit their innovative desires. If one truly believes the completion of islam and can attain the pleasure of Allah through what the prophet taught only pbuh, he wouldn't need to innovate and defend innovations in religion. The prophet of islam guided to the right path as Allah says in the Quran: "42:52-53, {. and surely you guide unto a straight path. The path of Allah . . .}. One must follow that path to attain the objective of pleasing Allah. To innovate is to disobey Allah's messenger and to disobey Allah's messenger is disobeying Allah: "33:36, {It is not for a believing man nor a believing women, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in their affair; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely gone astray in manifest error.} Lastly, Having a teacher doesn't mean obeying him in what displeases Allah almighty. It doesn't also mean that you put your trust in someone other than the prophet of islam since he is the only one who was protected and taught by Allah almighty. We take the religion from THE PROPHET OF ISLAM and after him, those WHO TOOK HIS PATH CORRECTLY. The balance of a muslim is based On the QURAN AND the Sunnah of the prophet pbuh. The prophet pbuh warned about innovators and people who add to this relgion what doesn't belong to it. He said about that: "He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected." narrated by Bukhari and Muslim. Another version of the Hadith was: ""He who does an act which our matter is not [in agreement] with will have it rejected." That teaches muslims, No matter how much love for Allah one claims to have, or claims other nonsense weirdo stuff, Muslims should not accept anything from him if he differs the QURAN AND THE SUNNAH.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 07:02 am Assalaamu alaikum To Mercano and all those that think alike: First and foremost, I'd like to remind yall that religion is sincerity (sincere advice). I believe that I am on the right path, since I try to strictly follow the Qur’an and authentic sunnah. And yes, I welcome you to call me a wahabie, if it makes you feel any better. Myself, I consider myself one who submits her will to the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Allah (AKA a Muslimah). If I wasn’t sure about the path that I was upon, I would surely not be upon it. Now Mercano, if you were truly a sincere person, you wouldn't have tried to ridicule me and would have tried convincing me in a positive way, rather than saying I am squre headed (<-- lol). In regards to the dhikr, bro, don't try putting words into my mouth. The dhikr I am talking about is the innovated ones. The prophet has already left us with adhkaar, why make up new ones. For instance, if I wanted to please Allah (swt) by praying 5 raka'ats for Dhuhur rather than four, would this be accepted? In regards to the ayaats that you used such as, "WA HUWA MACAKUM AYNAMAA KUNTUM.", as well as the one about 'Isa ibn Mayram, once again, let us go back to the tafseer of the companions. Anybody can read an ayah and say it means this and that. If we were to all do that, surely everyone of us would have our own interpretation of the Qur'an - wal'iyathu billah. Allah is NOT everywhere physically. Allah is the All-Knowledgable, Most Wise; He is fully aware of that that we do. Furthermore, the ayah that states that Allah rose over his throne doesn't say that Allah is on his trhone or anything else. He is above His throne in a manner beffiting him - and this is from the understanding of the salaf us salah. Once again, you are most welcome to add salafi to the name calling list, although they are far above me! In regards to celebrating the birthiday of the prophets, the ayah that you used does not in anyways support your argument! Do you have any ahaadeeth of Prophet Muhammad's birthday being celebrated? And if the supposedly did celebrate it, don't you think that it would have been one of the ahaadeeth that were collectd? THERE IS NO AUTHENTIC HADEETH STATING SO. If you want to celebrate the prophet's birthday, fast on Monday. Please go back up and read what formerguest as well as sweet girl have stated. In terms of MY knowledge, I will admit that I have limited knowledge. The knowledge about this beautiful deen is vast. Nevertheless, I try to increase my knowledge by each day -walhamdulilah. And no, I do not have a "sheikh" - nor do I need one. The only person that I will ever follow, accepting everything he states, is the prophet. If something is unclear to me, that is when I go to those more knowledgable than me such as the shuyukh. In regards to the PRIDE thing, allah yahdeek yakhi. Lastly, if you honestly think that I am on the wrong path, then why is it that you are not showing me any proof as to why I am on the wrong path? Or... does it make you feel better to put me and others down instead? So far, I am the dreaded "wahabbie", I write "strange", I am "square headed"... I welcome anymore  . Ifrah: Yes, my dad is Somali. Once again, allah yahdeeh. Anonymous: I'll give you one good, they are in the remembrance of Allah. Nevertheles, you are right, some scholars even state that we should even meniton the good of the deviants. May Allah fogive me and us all... Ameen! Sweet girl: So your flirting - eh? Mercano, have respect for others if you yourself want respect. "La yu'minu axadakum xata yuxibu liakhihi ma yuxibu li nafsih" (Agreed upon) Somalilander: LOL... Marcano, I suggest that you read behind his exagerating lines. Ironically, there is wisdom behind his invitation. Formerguest: Jazakallahu khairan bro.... well put.
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 08:35 am I also do not need to write a lengthy reply, as STRANGER has done an excellent job of making you look dumb for me. Sweet girl from what I gather is a SWEET GIRL... so do not try to write anything wrong about her cause she is not possesed by jinns as you are. ANYWAYS. The invitation is still open to that jam. As I said, all deviants like yourself are welcome...
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| | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 11:51 am asalam-alaikum, to all my bro's and sis's i could like to share this with you guys, i hope you find it useful Imaam Bukhaaree (rahimahullaah) said: I met more than a thousand men amongst the people of knowledge from the people of al-Hijaaz, al-Makkah, al-Madinah, al-Koofah, al-Basrah, Waasit, Baghdaad, Shaam and Misr... and I never saw a single one of them differ with respect to the following matters... ... And they used to forbid and prevent [people] from the innovations - those that the Messenger and his Companions were not upon, due to His saying: And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves [Soorah Aali Imraam 3:103] and due to His saying: If you obey him [the Messenger], you shall be on the right guidance [Soorah an-Noor 24:54] [Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (2/172-5), The Creed of Imaam Bukhaaree p.13,28 - al-Maktabah as-Salafiyyah Publications] Notes In the words of Imaam Bukhaaree is a clear indication that Muslim unity is to be attained by removing the innovations - and that is the unanimous understanding of the greatest of scholars of the noble ayah in question. Since it is the newly-invented matters (in the issues of belief, action and methodology) that have divided the hearts of the Muslims and set them against each other. Thus, in order for the hearts of the Muslims to unite and consequently, their word and rank, it is necessary for them to purify their beliefs, actions and methodologies from everything that was never taught by the Messenger and which was never acted upon by the Noble Companions (ra) - whilst humbly submitting to the Pure and Clear Sunnah. But this cannot be attained until the Muslims attend to the authentic and beneficial knowledge - that which has been left by the Messenger and which has been inherited by the Scholars after him, the Ahl ul-Hadeeth (the People of Authenticating the Narrations) and then to nurture themselves upon it. This issue was so clearly understood by the Companions of Allaah's Messenger and those after them, as will become evident by the narrations below. The Messenger of Allaah said: “Every innovation is misguidance and going astray.” Reported by Abu Daawood, no.4607 and it is saheeh. The Messenger also warned against the people of innovation, from befriending, supporting or taking from them saying: “Whoever innovates or accomodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind.” Reported by Bukhaaree (12/41) and Muslim (9/140) And in his footsteps, we find the Noble Companions and the Taabi’een after them warning from the danger of innovations upon the Ummah, its people and their unity. Ibn Abbaas (d. 68H) said: “Indeed the most detestable of things to Allaah are the innovations.” Reported by al-Bayhaqee in as-Sunan al-Kubraa (4/316) Ibn Umar (d. 84H) said: “Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good.“ Reported by Abu Shaamah (no. 39) Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said:“Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented from but innovation is not repented from.” Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no. 238) Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad (d. 187H) said: ”I met the best of people, all of them people of the Sunnah and they used to forbid from accompanying the people of innovation.” Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no.267) Al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H) said: “Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them.” Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/121) Ibraaheem bin Maysarah (d.132H) said: “Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam.” Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (1/139). Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said: “Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allaah and is entrusted with the innovation.” Reported by Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilyah (7/26) and Ibn Battah (no.444). Imaam Maalik (d. 179H) said: “How evil are the people of innovation, we do no give them salaam.” Reported by al-Baghawee in Sharh us-Sunnah (1/234). Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 204H) said: “That a person meets Allaah with every sin except Shirk is better than meeting Him upon any one of the innovated beliefs.” Reported by al-Bayhaqee in al-I'tiqaad (p.158) Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad (d. 187H) said: “Whoever sits with a person of innovation, then beware of him and whoever sits with a person of innovation has not been given wisdom. I love that there was fort of iron between me and a person of innovation. That I eat with a Jew and a Christian is more beloved to me than that I eat with a person of innovation.” Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no.1149) Al-Layth bin Sa'd (d. 175H) said: “If I saw a person of desires (i.e. innovations) walking upon the water I would not accept from him." So Imaam as-Shaafi'ee then said: "He (al-Layth) has fallen short. If I saw him walking in the air I would not accept from him.” Reported by as-Suyooti in al-Amr bil 'Ittibaa wan-Nahee anil Ibtidaa'.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 11:09 am salaamu alykum My sister IFRAH, it seem's you know you ISLAM well are you married or not..............also may ALLAH reword you for the good job of telling this SUFI guy the true ISLAM WALAYKU MASALAAM
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 12:43 pm Asalaamu alaikum, Sister Stranger, sorry to disturb your thread and the words of wisdom you are dispensing. I was wondering if you would be interested in being part of lil cyber halaqah we are running. A bunch of us from this forums got together in an attempt to increase our knowledge about the deen and what we eventually plan to do is try to make a difference in the Somali Community both in the West and back at home. We have big plans for our Ummah, if Allah wills and all goes well. If you think you can be part of this, please ask bro JB for my e-mail (I read somewhere that his sisters knows you, so may be u can do that through her). If for one reason or another you can't be part of this, please don't feel bad. It is ok. salaam.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 07:18 pm Interesting!
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 07:21 am The Quran and the tradtion of our beloved prophet have explained in detail the issues in the faith in which those who don't follow continue argue while supporting all kinds of inovations that has no place in ISLAM. ANYTHING THAT CONTRADICTS OUR DIIN SHOULDN'T BE PROPAGATED. AND I HAVE NO DALIL FOR SUFISIM. WABILAHI TAWFIQ
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 11:38 am I had to ask Stranger about your dad. How did he become non-muslim. did he claimed did someone labled him what made him do that what are your efforts to show him the right way it bothers me to see you with that vast knowledge and iman to loose your father that easy way let us muslims know if we can help.
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 01:08 pm Assalamu Alaikum, To TLG what is your plan and why don't you want to share it with the rest of the brothers and sisters. They are many of us who would like to increase their knowledge about Islam and help their community.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 08:34 am Asalaamu alaikum all, Jamaal, brother, we did share our plans with all the brothers and sisters in this forums (see the "network" folder in the archives before Feb 16). However, I think you new to this site, so insha Allah I'll give a lil blub on what our mission is all about. We wanna make a diff in the community insha Allah. We wanna sponsor kids in Somalia and eventually build institutions there (I know I know, we are a lil overly ambitious). But, our approach will insha Allah be based on the Quran and the sunnah as much as humanly possible. To do that, we need to educate ourselves about Islam and that is why we started the "cyber halaqah". We research on a topic and discuss on a weekly basis. So far we've done Tuaheed, shirk, women in Islam...we sometimes go off topic...but everything we discuss is relevant to Islam (most of the time)So if you wanna be part of this, you can contact brother Common. I'll ask him to leave his e-mail once again so that you may get intouch with him personally. salaam.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 04:04 pm Thanks for responding brother TLG. I would like be part of the Halaqa. Yes, I am new.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 09:04 pm Do the people in the "cyber halaqah" call themselves their real names or they use alias names like TLG, COMMON...ETC....
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 05:54 am Jamal As I understand, TLG is a sister, not a brother. Also someone else up here referred to Stranger as brother, and I also believe she is a sister. I am very proud the effort of Somali Muslim sisters on this forums, MaashaaAllaah.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 07:45 am A salaam Calayckum Dear Jamal Hi i have been sent to come collect you .lol. please contact me via email at yassin_9 at hotmail.com. i say "at" instead of @ becasue the comp will recognise it as an email address and underline the whole address and then you will not be able to see the _ thing for example yassin_9@hotmail.com. See what i mean... you can tell i been here before Okay brother look forward to seeing you in cyberspace soon. Ja zaku allahu Kairhin anon we use a mixture of both handles and real names saxiib
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 10:34 am Assalamu Calaykum, I realized that TLG is a sister after reading few other messages that she wrote and that is the reason I am here today. Thanks for telling me though and I am sorry sister. Sister TLG, I want to say that no dream is too high. Let us do our best to help our community both here and back home. If we do not do it, then who will sister? Some other brother and I are planning to start "Dropping Center" where the high/intermediate school students can come for help for their schoolwork. The community used to have Dugsi every Saturday for the children and we will like to start the Dugsi again. To common, insha'allah, I will e-mail you soon. I have few exams to write in this coming week. Bro I am little bit busy with school, but I will try my best to be part of the halaqa. Salaam
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 03:56 pm Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu I hope that this message reaches all of you while you are in excellent health and emaan. TLG: Are the halaqas in Somali or in English? Hangool: In regards to my paps, ya, he himself said that he is not a Muslim. Thanx.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 04:54 pm salamu aleykum I don't think thats nice question to ask person in forums or make comment about their dad, they may not like it. I may its really sad when some recalls something like that, why are you asking her this question
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 08:45 pm Common TLG For your project, Where can I remit my donations? Like a bank account, or a money transfer location like Barakaat or Amal? I also intend to stay anonymous.
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 09:40 am asalam-alaikum to TLG OR COMMON can anyone from the forums join or do we need premission from you guy's. i am thinking of joining inshallah. wasalam
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 01:46 pm Ifrah. asalaam alayckum subhanalah! anyone can join, its open to all. e-mail me at the address i posted up a couple of messages and i will inshallah talk you through the process.look forward to hearing from you. Anon Thanks dear friend I told the group what you said, but you are ahead of us, we have yet to open such a account. Please be paitent with us as we would welcome your support ja zaku allahu kahirn stranger I asked TGL to come and answer your question, but her comp is down at the min so i don't think she got the message. All sessions and activities are in english, with the odd somali word creeping in,
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 05:07 pm ASSALAAMU CALAYKUM TLG, COMMON AND ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. As you all aware, Islam emphasizes the importance of perpetual charity(sadaqa Jaariyah) and your initiatives to invest useful knowledge that our people shall benefit of, deserve our support. PLEASE ADD ME THE LIST OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO WANT TO MAKE DIFFERENCE IN ANYWAY THEY CAN.
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 03:34 am Qoonsade salaam saxiib please email me at the above address and i will add you to the circle your brother in Islam
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 06:49 pm Asalaamu alaikum all, Stranger, as brother Common said, all activities and sesssions are conducted in English (unfortunately, most of us can hardly read or write the Somali language). So insha Allah you are welcome to join if you have the time. You can e-mail bro common at the address above or you can go through JB's sister as I suggested before. To Ifrah, anonymous and Qonsade, jazaakumullahu khairan for your interest. You are all welcome to join. Jamaal, no problem brother ( I know my initials don't specify my gender). Insha Allah get intouch with brother Common and he'll explain everything. Anyone else who is interested in making a difference in our ummah is also welcomed to join. Common, thanks bro for all your help in my absense. salaam. P.S. for any sister that is uncomfortable with e-mailing brother common (he is a cool guy with all the Islamic ettiquettes in place....lol. so no need to worry), please let me know.I might create a temporary e-mail for just the sisters.
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 07:58 am Assalaamu Calaa man itaba' hudaa. Brother Common and sister TLG Insha Allah ALLAH will reward you for your strenuous efforts to convey the authentic sunnah of our beloved Prophet. And again, thank you for your warm welcome. To all brothers and sisters, I am sure everyone us want to gain the pleasure of Allah; therefore, I recommend you and myself to support the initiatives our brother(Common) and sister(TLG), because Allah has commanded us in the Holy Koran, "tacaa wanuu calal birri wa taqwaa". and Hadith of Prophet says, " ADDAALU CALAA KHAIRIN KA FAACILIHI". Brother Common, I will email you insha Allah. FAKIR ILA ALLAH, Qoonsade
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 12:53 pm Salaaa Aleikum Hello guys its great pleasure for me to enjoin this group. Bye the its included finding soul mates like wise choosing good brother or sister.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 04:54 am asha please e-mail me at the above address and inshallah i will add you to the group
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