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CAN I BE NONMUSLIM AND SOMALI AT SAME TIME?

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): Islam (Religion): Archive (Before Feb 2000): CAN I BE NONMUSLIM AND SOMALI AT SAME TIME?
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Anonymous

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I'M just wondering can i be nonmuslim and somali at same time? would you treat me difrent then the other somali[muslim somali] or you gonna treat me as same as like the others,i believe religon and nationalty are difrent issue,,im proud somali and not muslim ,,

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AKHRIYE

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macalimka:
Haddaad akhrisato diinta kiristaanka qeybaheeda
sida:(LUKE,JAMES,mathews)AMA aad taariikhdeeda dib u raacdo isbadelkii weynaa uu ku sameeyey
ST.PAUL oo uu ku daray in uu nabi ciise yahay wiilkii ilaahay,waxaad ogaan doontaa in aysan ku dhisneyn kitaabkii allaah uu ku soo dajiyey nabi
CIISE ee ay ayadu oo dhan ay ku bays gareysan tahay (CHRISTIAN CONVENTIONS)oo dhawrkii sanabo mar laqabto,waxaanna kuugu bishaareynayaa in aad ka soo qeyb gashid (2000 convention)oo lagu qaban
doono (beytul laham).dhanka kale ma jiraan xisaabta 1=3 waa wax uu caqliga bani-aadamku diidaayo,Nin carab ah oo reer baadiya ah ayaa gabay ka tiriyey waa hore wuxuu yiri:
Waxaan la yaabay buu yiri dameerka qaaday ilaah
iyo wiilkiisii iyo holy ghost xoog badnaayee?!!!
macnaha wuxuu ka wadaa nabi ciise oo ahaa bashar
dhicina jirtay in uu marmarka qaarkood fuulo dameer,kiristaanku hadday yiraahdeen waa ilaah oo ciise iyo hooyadiis soo dhex galay sidee dameer u qaadi karaa seddex ilaah?????????????????!!!!!!!.
HADII aad tahay yahuudna war kaloo fiican baan kuuhayaa ee ii soo sheeg marka kale?OOORIGHTTTTTT.

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Anonymous

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I didnot understand one pit of what you said plus you didnot make any sense i just ask you can i be somali and nonmuslim that it,,i didnt ask you to tell me who im and where is my freinds are..get it terrorist?

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Abdullahi

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Jawaabtu waa haa. Somali waad tahay, waana lagugu ixtiraamayaa.Waana ku noolaan kartaa somaliya.

Lakin madama ay dadku inta badan yihiin muslimiin, waxaa kugu qasab noqoneyso in aad ixtiraamtid shacbigaa muslimiinta aad ku dhax nooshahay iyo sharciyadey sameystaan wax alla waxey doonaan.

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Somali voice

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To.Anonymous

Maya, maya maya. nin aan Muslim ahayn soomaalina ah iyo soomaalida kale isku si uma cisaynayo. Soomaalidu waa umad qur ah, lehna hal diin, hal luuqad, taasna ayaa soconaysa.

Kutasho hadii aad tahay soomaali diinta badashay, in aadan nolol fiican ku noolaaneen soomaaliya.
Eeyga ayaa kaa nolol fiicnaanaya, Wallah I am telling you...

People who are somali and have other religion will heads to faces many, many promlems. We will behave them like a pig and even worth. I don't have word to describe. Other people who are not somali may have there own religon.

Dear Anonymous if you have other religion, please ha isku soo ceebeen somalia. I swear to chase sach a people antil I die....

Somali voice

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Suban

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Anonymous, being Muslim and being Somali are two mutually exclusive issues. You are a Somali because of your identity; origin and nationality.
Islam, is a religon, the majority of us are muslims becasue it is the relgion of our ancestors, and we learned and chose to be muslims.
As you may now there are few non muslims Somalis,who converted to christanity. One of the better known family is the Mariano Family. They are true Somalis who were actively engaged in the development efforts in Somalia.
So to answer your question, yes you can be Somali and a non-muslim. Your relation with God is your business, on the Day of Judgment, the meeting is going to be one on one :)

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Anonymous

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To Anonymous,

Are you a Christian? If you are then that's great. I think people should seek the truth not
because of what they're ancestors have always done, but because they themselves want to know the
truth. I encourage every Somali to read the Bible,
especially about the life of Jesus. It changed my
life.

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Anonymous

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To somali voice,,man man a what makes you sure you can chase me from somalia?im more wadani then you i assume,and waligey nin kama baqiin ,plus why dagal can you be civil human being?
to the other people im not christian nore a jew im dont believe any off them.

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Real-Somali

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TO: Anonymous

You dirty Kufr, let me tell you one thing:
Somalia is Islamic country and Somalis are pure muslims. By the time you steped out of Islam expired your somalism. So you are not longer Somali, you asshole dirty Kufaar!.
Being somali is being muslim uncondicitionally.

I know what type of person you are. a low-minded donkey comming direct from bush to west.


Doqonyow doqonku dhalay waxaan kuu sheegayaa annigu maahi sida dadka hore ee kusoo dhaweeynaya ee waxaan kuu sheegayaa wadankii ha isku tegin. Wallaahi hadii ad tagto ood waxaan la timaadid in aanad nolaaneynin.

Waxaad tahay "A FAKE" khaniis/khaniisad. Islamna waxaad uga carareysid waxaa weeye Islam khaniisnimo ma ogola.

Somaliya somaali muslin ah baa leh!
Somalia is for muslim somalis

Utag Elton John & G. Meachel iwm ee u dooda xaquuqal khaniis wa khaniisad.


Diinta aad ku dhalatay ee waalidkaa haysteen ee aad kabaxdey ku qabatey! Dulli & Cudur & Darxumo Kugu dhac & wax aan lagaraneyn! amin!

Ku: Walaalaha muslimiinta ee Soomaalida ah

Fadlan Illaah kabaqa ninkan/naagtan aad soo dhaweyneeysaan iska dhaafa. Runta u sheega. Maalin aan maanta aheyn ayaa laydin weeydiin!

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Caraweelo

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Poor Anonymous- poor soul!

How can the bible- written by men- (around 10- 100 AD) by men who were not the
DISCIPLES, a century after Jesus, be God's words. The true scholars of the bible know it for
what it is. Which version of the bible did you read? King James version- most likely. Do you
know that 300 other gospels were destroyed by the leaders of the church? Do you know that
the message of the trinity- the foundation for christianity- was introduced 3 Centuries after
Jesus? Even the christains can not agree which chapters were real and which were unreliable.
Read for yourself, research for yourself, Learn. Do not blindly follow what you understand not.
Read the original Hebrew texts. have you heard of the "Dead sea scrolls"? READ READ READ! I
am disgusted by your ignorance and lack of knowledge. Yes! you can be a somali- not related
to what your faith is- but to close your eyes, after God has given you sight. To follow the
lost when you know better. Have you ever read the Quran for yourself? Have you ever
contemplated the Majesty of your Creator when you are sitting quitely by yourself. Have you
ever studied astronomy and physics- tried to understand the wonder and intricacies of this
incredible universe? Read the Quaran, read the bible- compare them for how they handle the
issue of the universe. See which one makes you "hear the Creator", the Glorious One Allah,
which one captures his Majesty. How can you attribute partners to Him? How can you call a
man God? How can you accept God had a son? Think about yourself- here you are with your
computer writing a message- you created the message- do you want to "become" the
message? Do you want to "father" a message? Why then do you belittle the Creator of the
universe and everything that is in it? How can you bring Him down to our level? God decides
what will be and it becomes. God decided that Jesus was to bring mankind a message- that
he was to perform miracles- and so it was. Allah decrees and it becomes as He wills. End of
story. Remember what the first commandment says- ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS TO GOD!!!
Guess where that is from? Not only the Quran, but the BIBLE- and the TORAH- How then can
you break that by accepting others as god? 3? why not 1000000? What is the difference.
They tell you he died for your sins- does that mean that others who lived before Jesus
showed up died sinners? Did Moses die a sinner- rememeber he brought the Torah- what you
call the Old Testement? Is Adam a sinner and Abraham? What a way to give up responsibility!
No one can forgive you your sins other than God- no one can erase your trangressions-
rememeber- "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?" Why
even ask for forgiveness if you are guarenteed heaven by the mere fact of accepting jesus
as a saviour? The stuff does not add up. And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to
figure that out.
Think- God gave you a mind- use it- Question! Read! The truth never stays hidden for long.
and pray for guidance- the guidance to the path to your Lord- the only Lord- your creator.

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Lulh

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The only message that made sense to me is Suban's message. Being a muslim and being a somali are two different issues. The US is great because it is a tolerant society. Somalia is a mess because it is intollerant. It is intollerant about other people's tribes. Most of you seem to exhibit the same intollerance to this guy who said he is not muslim. His religion and his behaviour will be judged by Allah on the day of judgement. Who are you guys to judge? If you learn anything from the western society please learn how to be tolerant of other people in terms of their religion and tribe.

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Anonymous

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To:Real-somali ,,stupid head punk why are you angry?i just ask you a Q?what is the qaniis and shit you talking?is it you people[the Arabs] you rape ther sons?any way ma rabo in aan kugu daysado some one like you ignored stupid narrow minded punk,learn same manner,learn how to or live with other humans sucker ,,the reason im not going back to somalia is i dont see sucks like you,ignored who came north america bay accident,barberian get a life

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Somali Voice

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First of all I wanna thank my god Allah. And I wanna thank my brothers and sisters incl. Real-somali and sister Caraweelo.
Amaa macd.

Mr.Anonymous and his team ( Suban and lulh) We declare you WAR.

We are not tolerating sach a people like kufaar.
Somali must be unite against those incredulous.

Somali Voice

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Real-somali

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To: Annym..

Diinta waxey dhigeysaa in lagu dilo oo kurka lagaa gooyo haddii aad islaamnimada ka baxdo.

Markaa North-Amreica iyo Westiga cimrigaaga inta ku hartey ku dhameyso. Balse haddii aad somalia la timaado sheekadan WAAD RIDDOWDEY! Qofka ridoowana sida loogalo waa la yaqaan.

To Suuban & lulh

Waxaan idiin sheegayaa ama aanu "a tolerant society" ahaanu ama "an intolerant society" ahaano doonimayno qof RIDOOBAY. Fidnadda iyo najaasta uu wadanka ulla soo noqonayo ayaaba kadaran. Markaa hadeynu u sheegeynaa runta NAJAASKAN kufaarka ah.

Haddii aad ku raacsantihiin sheekadan idinka laftigiina ayaaba u baahan kaalmo.

Ninkan kufaarka ah alla ayaa maanta ogaada daruuf ayuu ku kaliftey iyo hunguri in la masiixiyo. Meelo ayuu kusoo qorey BIBLE-kaan akhristey markaas ayaan ku dawoobey kuna dagey!

khaniis, alloow Diinta foolxumo makala tagtey!!
u tag baadariga haku fuule e.

Laakiin maalintaad somalia tagtid wallaahi waa lagugubayaa.


-WE ARE NOT TOLERANT OVER A NON MUSLIM SOCIETY IN OUR COUNTRY SOMALIA-

SOMALIA BORN MUSLIM AND WILL DIE MUSLIM!

Real-somali

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Anonymous1

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what's with this maniac running around loose, declaring war on people? Haven't we had enough wars already?

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True Somali too

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Nationality and Relgion are 2 different issues.

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LADAN

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REAL-SOMALI IYO KUWA LA MIDKA AH AFKIINA CAANO LAGU QAWAY.

MACALINKA HARJADAAYO BACAADAA MARSHO KU HEYSAA KOW DHEH, ANAGA HADAA AWAL MUJTAMAC GAALO NAGU DHEXNOOLAAN LAHAAYEEN OK EE AHAA LEHEED DIINTEENANA WAX KAMA QABTO INTAY XUKUNKEENA OGOLYIHIIN LAAKIIN NACAS ADI CAMAL AH ISLAAMKA MEEL CAD UU DHIGAY.

HAKU RIYOONIN ADI IYO KUWA DAI CAMAL AH INAA NABAD UGU NOOLAATAAN SOMALIA WAA IDIIN QABAYHEYNAA(DHAGTA LEE DHIIGA LA IDIIN DARSIINAA) KUFAAR GANFUUR XUN
XUMAAN KORKIINA A AHAATO.

AQYAARTA KALE WASALAMALAYKUM

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Anonymous

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what somalia are stupids talking about?is nothing call somali that is wasteland,and plus what is there to go?damn yek,,
to real-somali hadii aan ku arkii laha yartadaa ka xooggi laha hada,stupid head baro sii loo hadlo,
Thanks to you all input i get my answer one thing you can all count is even if your giving me million$, im gonna go back that hell,
dadkiina wax uu qabsada waa kasa aad is cuneysan like a an animal...
islam=peace and tolern,so be tolern to other like your rilion teachs you sucker,,your giving bad name to islam i know better then you do about your own relion,,any way enjoy you life while it last

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Ismahan

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asalaama alaikum warahmatulah.
walaalayalow dhamaantiin waxaan idiin leeyahay luqada offensivka iska dhaafa, qofka muslimka in uu carabkii ilaaliyo ayaa fiican, aqlaaqda qofka islaamka ah lagu yaqaano waxaa ka mid ah in uusan iska caytamin oo uu sabro.

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Jana

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First off salamu alaykum everyone,
I think that to be somali is to be Muslim... plain and simple.. We are the only nation in Africa to have one main religion and language... I also think that instead of encouraging this misguided soul into continuing practicing Christianity we should be encouraging him to come back to his true religion..Islam....When u think about Christianity has so many contradictions.. and it doesn't make as much sense as Islam does..
I'll be praying for your soul walaal...
jazak allah khayra

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Real-Somali

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Assalaamu Caleykum to my fellow muslims!
(Not to Anonymous!)

We are a homogeneos society

One Somali
One Race
One Religion
One languege

and

We United for Islam!
We united against Kufr
We united for UL & DIRKEED!

so mr/miss. "Anonymous" iyo ciddii ku raacsan kala dhantaalid umadaas "homogeneos" ah waxaa inoo dhaxeeya dagaal.

Mr/miss Anonymous inoo yahay pedophil kufaar ah hadaladiisa iyo hadalo meelo badan uu soo dhigey aqrista!

Real-Somali
a Kufr-watch

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Su'aashu waa qof Soomaali ah ma ka bixi karaa DIINTA Islaamka?

Jawaabta oo kooban waa HAA!
Waad noqon kartaa GAAL Ilaahay Xaqiisa Qariyay oo Xisaab Adag Ilaahay Agtiisa u Taal..waa adiga iyo ikhtiyaarkaa ee meeshuu ku geeyo ha la arko.

Mase lehid ikhriyaar aad ku doorato waalidkaa oo haday gabar iyo wiil Soomaaliyeed ku dhaleen ma lihid ab aad ku doorato firinji cad iyo mid madow toona ee waxaad tahay SOOMAALI!

Suban siday u tiri waaye oo waxaa jira qoysas Soomaali ah oo Ilaahay sidaan aaminsanahay ka fogaaday. Waxaan aqoon gooni ah u leeyahay nin dhalinyaro ah oo Eric Reymond la dhihi jiray dadkuse FARAH u yaqiin oo Soomaali ah..Ilaahay Soo Hanuuni Adaa XAQ ah.

Haddii Ilaahay DIINTA u soo dejiyay in uu ku dhawro oo ku daryeelo carruurtii Nebi Adam Wuxuu Go'aanshay "in qofkii u gooya naf si xaq daro ah uu la mid yahay in uu DILAY waxa dunida ku nool oo dhan" Wuxuuna U Balan Qaaday qofkii si gardaro ah "u gooya naf qof MUMIN ah in uu ku waari doono JAHANAMO" Ilaahay aniga iyo idinkaba ha inaga koriyee.

Talow keeba culus in sidii Aw Koombe yiri "Suuqa waxaa u raqiisan NAF" aynu Soomaaliyeey gardaro isu layno inagoo leh ASHAHAADO iyo in Ilaahay ha soo hanuuniyee qof SOOMAALI ah yiraahdo "waxaan ku caasiyay KHAALIQII XAQA IGU ABUURAY?"

"Diinta Ilaahay waa ISlaam qofna laga aqbali maayo diin kale..Ilaahay DIINTIISA Isagaa Dhawran..DIINTUNA khasab ma aha oo XAQU wuu cad yahay..Ilaahayow Jidka Toosan nagu du Jidka aad ku hagtay kuwa aad u nimcaysay."

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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REALreal somali

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Salaamu 'Aleykum to my Follow Muslim somalis !
Hello, to Anonymous!

First and for mostly there is difference between nationality and religion !! but what about the culture and nationality?? I guess they can't be co-exist if they can't fit.... japanies culture with russian nationality? or roman culture coupled with somalian nationality?

further more there are still more points/things to put on account when U are calculating the one's own identity .. Equation, for stance history, geographical location, history of civilasation, oversee relationships with other nations, ..etc.

This topic U are talking about is a real plan!!I am right! IF YOU THINK it MAY be a POSSIBLE !!!! THen THINK TWISE.. U got to know somali gene !!AS long as the term ISLAM exist there will be no tolerant to AHLI-KUFAAR and FARANJIYAASHA, GAALADADDA, IYO DABADHILIFKA, DHUUNI RAACAYAASHA, QOWLAYSATADDA, SAANCADAALAYAASHA, GAAL ISMOODKA,
DOOFAAR CUNAYAASHA, JUHALADDA MASKAXDA REER GALBEED KU QUFULANTAY EE FURIHII LAGALA TAGAY, DAMIIRLAAWAYAASHA, ANSHAX & EDEB LAAWAYAASHA & WIXII SOO RAACA OO IDIL.

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Another real somali

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Realreal Somali
Ma taqaana anshax iyo edebta aad ka hadleeyso. Fadlan Diinta Islaamka sii fiican uu baro.

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Real-Somalia

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To: REALreal somali !

Walaalkiis ad iyo aad ayaad u mahadsan tahay!
waana kugu raacsanahay arrinkaas!

No tolerant to AHLI-KUFAAR in a Somali Soul!

He can bee a somali kufr and stay in the WEST!

Those figthing in somalia they are JUHALA (savages) about Islam, but they blieve in Islam and they may pray the Salad. What they are only lack is to learn and practice Islam as it's.
May Allah swt help us to come out of darkness and se the light and (Xaqq) and take the TRUTH as our beloved profet (saw) brought us. AAMIIN!

One thing is for sure! that they (moryaanta) are muslims, but their Iimaan is weak! and they need our prayer.

Whoever choose and convert to other religion than Islam is free and that is a case between him and his creater Allaah (swt)....

.....But he/she cann't turn to Somalia with his/her new religion-activities in our Somali Soul.
If he/she does that, then we take the case in our hand. Means his/her days are counted!.

If we let this person to carry out his religion activities, then we let our society turn to Kufrism and MUNKAR wa SHIRK etc.!

So, be kufr out side BUT not in our muslim homeland.

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Anonymous

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hey sis guess u made them talking people should not get agry becouse there is nothing they can do any way what u need is not a lecture but simple yes or no. One thing i have to say what ever u believe is between you and the creator.
take care.

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Siraad

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waxaa lahadlayaa nin ka muslinimada ka faanayoow
maxaa aragtay diin islaamka ka wanaagsan, mise calooshiis ushaqayste ayaa tahay?
Itaqilaah, Diintaada kumiyo adduunka ah haku gadanin. walaaloow nasiibkaaga haku dheelin. hooyo
iyo aabo muslim ah ayaa ku dhalay. intaas nimco ka wayn miyaa jirto. waqtigii aad nimcadaas ku shukrin lahay waalid kaadana ixsaan ufali lahayd miyaad doqomoow day oo diinta illaahay ka tagtay.
Wallaahi adaa diintaan muslinka ubaahan ayada makuu baahno.
Allaah suxaanahu watacaalaa wuxuu xadith alqudsi ku yiri...
Adoomadaydiyoow hadii aad kuligiina mutaqiin noqotiin mulkigayga waxba ma iigu siyadayo
sidoo kale hadaad yacni caasiyowdaan mulkigayga waxkama nuqsaamayo.
Don't listen to christion people. they have no religion, they laid about jesus and they have no morals basicly.

last week i met Australian girl who recently converted to Islam. she told me that she had so many doubts abou christianity. she never beleived Jesus is god. the whole religion is man made.

waxaad rabto ahoow laakiin waxaad ogaataa inaan Allah subxaanahu watacaalaa Uusan aqbalaynin diin aanan islaam ahay.
waxaad kaloo ogaata Nabi muxamed(SCW) inuu yahay last masenger of allah.
so please think before you say anything/

naftay iyo inta muslim ah waxaan ula dardaarmayaa cabsida illaah. Wallaahi waxaan ku dhaaranayaa inaan wadamo xun aan imaanay. waxaase noo dhaantay inaan baahi udhimano oo diinteena seef garaysano bec, ayadaa na anfacayso.

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Anonymous

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Look.. Somalia is at war now and it's a so-called
Muslim nation! Is this Islam? If yes, then it's
not doing to much for the people. If you say no,
that they are not following the religion correctly
then I can say that in America they are not practicing Christianity correctly. You can't look
at a country and their religion and say, "Look they act this way, so their religion is bad." If
you do, then Islam is bad because of how our people are acting like plain savages. Don't have
a double standard. You can't say that Christians are immoral because of how you see Westerners act.
If you do, then I can say that Muslims are immoral
because of Somalis killing Somalis over the STUPIDEST things! I believe that you must look at
a religion (their religious book) to see how a true Muslim and a true Christian should act. In
that case read the Gospels and actually see for
yourself what Jesus said instead of reading books
whose authors did the thinking for you. Are you
afraid that you might become a Christian by reading about the life of Jesus in the Bible? If there is nothing to fear, then read it. I CHALLENGE YOU.

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Siraad

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War diintaada lacaga ayaad ku gadatay. Dhuuni ........... Waad ogtahay xaqa laguuguma daalayo adoo kale. laakiin adiga umbaa ka shalaynayo

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La-taliye

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Siraad Walaal ha isku daalin ninkan wuu cadeysteye.

Waryaa aqri Quraanka iyo Jesus wuxuu ka yiri, marka aad leedahay Jesus iyo Gospels in la aqriyo.

Gospels is a man made and fabricated book and you cann't compare it with Holy Book!
There is no real real bible today. And those they have today "wich this person has got from them" is full of contradictions.

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Alloow yaa kuu diga
Alloow yaa tala ku siiya
Alloow yaa ka joog ku dhaha

Talo adigaa kunolee ayadu kuguma noola!

Maanta ayaad Time & Talo haysataa!
So leave it or take!.

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La taliye!

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Ansaari

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TO: Anonym..

Nin dhunsan baad tahay ee Allaah ayaan kuu baryayaa in aad Xaqqa ku tuso.

Wax kale ku dhihi maayo waxaad tahay nin dhunsan.

Just pay a visit and see what the converted people saying about what they before known as "Gods WORD" and how they then realized the TRUTH (ISLAM)!

Here is the address: http://www.convertstoislam.org}


I hope this site will shed light on things for you.

I pray Allah (swt) for you to show the right path ISLAM!


Ansaari

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Khadra

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To anonymous...
Answer this one question for me....
If Islam is so negative as u seem to be portraying it why are there over a billion muslims in this world.. If it is so wrong as u are making out to be why does it explain all these scientific advances that we are becoming aware of just now... Why is it that the Quran has never been changed or revised as the Bible...For past 1400 years it has been the same and that is more than u can say for the Bible... Why is it that the Quran has the solution for every single problem that may appear in ones life or every single situation that one is faced with.. Christianity has nothing to offer whereas Islam has so much to offer.....How can u believe that Allah(SWT) the creator of the earth and all that live in it can have a partner.... how is it possible for him to have a son..
The problem with u i think is that u came to the west and u became so enthralled with what u saw....u wanted to be just like them to the most miniscule detail...being a Kufr is part of the package i guess..
Look, no one has to sit here and beg u to come back to your true religion..cuz ultimately its between u and Allah...I mean to be honest we couldn't care less what u do with your life...its your life u know... But because we Muslims are so compassionate and loving to our fellow brothers and sisters we don't want to see u go to jahanam... And if we warn u and u still keep on doing what u are doing then its your choice...
But u really have to think about your decisions....Don't u realize that u are lucky....Allah chose u to be born into a nationality and family whose religion is Islam...Allah chose u because he saw a character of u which he admired....and what do u show him as your gratitiude....total disrespect by claiming another religion to be better than his...
Salaam Alaykum

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Fardosa

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To Anomynous

As somalian people, we all should be thankful to Allah the one creater of earth and haven because Allah created us into one true reliogion which is Islam. Islam the best way of life and also peace.

Somalia being fought has nothing to do with islam. It was their stupid mind which made them fight so don't ever say anything about our greatest reliogion of islam.

I think u have some kind of physcial and mental problem because how could u go from true to wrong. U , jew, christant, and other reliogion even know that islam is the only true reliogion in this world. christan and jew even said that they all go to hell.

how could u say anything about our greatest reliogion islam. If i know who u are, i willhave done something hurrible to u.

let me tell u something don't ever post anything that talks about islam.

I have lived almost everwhere in the world and i have never seen any of my people became christan.
We aren't going to judge u but Allah the day of judgement.

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XL

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Asalaamu Aleikum to my muslim brothers/sisteres
To: Fardosa

Walaal Allaha kheyr kaa siyo waanadaada!

Laakiin ninkan/naagtan ma lahan:

LAAB wax maqasha, malahan
CAQLI mugdiga iyo iftiinka ukala saara, malahan
NDHO beenta iyo runta ku arko (the right Path & the wrong path) ama XAQQA!

Markaa yaan waxba ninkan/naagtan meesha la isaga daalinin.

Saad sheegtay waxaan u maleynayaa in wax si kayihiin oo uusan caadi aheyn, saa hadduu caadi yahay saan uma hadleen kumana caasiyeen Illaahiisa Raxmaanka ah ee abuurtey!

Alloow soo hanuuni maskiinkan!


salaam
XL

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Angry-man

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TO: REAL SOMALI

MARKA HORE NAXARIISTII RABIKORKAAGA AHAATO. WAXAANAN SHIHIID LAGALNO KUFAARTA(ANONMYNOUS)ITO DHILOOYINKA U JIIBINAYA(CARAWEELO IYO LULH). WAXAANAN KU DARI LAHAA SOMALI NIMADA IYO ISLAAMKU WAA LABO AAN LKA SOOCI KARIN. Maalinta aad islaamnimada katagto ayaad soomaalinimo katagtay!!.

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Xaali

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Somalinimadda ma loo dhashaa mase sidii diintee bay uu soo degtay. Dadkaan ee qiiradda qaaday; su'aash waxaa weeye qof Somali diinta ma ka bixi kara???? jawabta waa haa. Somali kufaarka noqda cid uu diidi karta Somalinimo ma jirto. MA QOFKA QABIILKIIS BA LAGA BAABIN KARA, MASE DHULKAAN LAISKU HAYSTON BAA LAGA XIGGI KARA.
Think people with logic not emotions.

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Saado C.

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to Xaali

Horta adiga waxa XAALI laguu dhahay ayaad qabtaa!

Meesha laga hadlayo iyo micnaha guud ee dadkan u kaceen una xanaaqsan yihiin ma garaneysid, markaa ayaad adigoo XAALI ah meesha dalaq iska soo dhaheysaa afkana iska furaneysaa!

Ninkan haduu kufaarayo (gaaloobay) annagu ma heysano, balse waxaan uga digeynaa asaga iyo inta dhuuni raaca ee beerito inta wadanka kusoo noqdaan dhihi doona waxaanu nahay Somali Christians oo xaquuq iyo talo wadanka ku leenahay!!

markaa XAALIYEEY haddee XAALI waxaa jire dad badan oo ninkanu isagu wixiisa wuuba cadeystay ee qarsada, markaa dadkaas ninkan quranka ku raacsan si dahsoon ayeey ninkan usoo dhaweeyaan oo xaquuq ugu raadiyaan.

Naagaha nimanka gaalada qabaan iyo nimanka naagaha gaalada la degen meher la'aanta caruurta wecelada iska dhaldhala kuwaas oo dhan waxeey la safan yihiin KUFAARKAn oo waxeey doonayaan in la soo xareeyo oo la dhaho walaalo soo dhawoow. NO..NO!!

Kufaar doonimeyno!, dabadhilif (Gaal la-jire) doonimayno!.

Saada Cismaan

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Marian

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Saado iyo Somalidia kale ee iska hadlaya, ma taqaanaan habka loo doodo??
Mowduuca ka hadla, ee qofka arrimahiisa qaaska ah ha daaqilininaa oo ha la dagaalamina. Ninkii kufaar noqda waa xisaab asaga uu taal ee idinka xaasanaadikiina ilaalsada.
Awaawey adaabtii la socotay Islaanimadda??
Orday oo quranka sii ficaan uu barta.

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Akhriste

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Jawaab gaban, anigu ku caayimaayo kuna aflagaaden maayo. Laakiinse illahay ha ku garansiiyo diinta islamka. Waligayna kusoo dhawaynmaayo.

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Phony mujahidiin

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to dadka qiiraysan oo idil,

ma waxaad tihiin kuwa diinta islaamka difaacaya?ma waxaa tihiin kuwa jihaad ku jira? yaad la dagaalamaysaan? ma computerkiina? haa! dila gaalada, la dagaalama gaalada iyo kuwa diinta ka baxay, laba eray oo qiiro ku jirto halkan ku soo qora, dibna ugu noqda arrimihiina aduun idinkoo isleh wax wayn baad diinta u qabateen.

ilaah(swt)ayaa diinta soo dejiyey isagaana xafidaya. jihaadna macnihiisa wuxuu yahay ilaah qur'aankiisa kariimka ah ayuu ku qeexay. kuwa naftooda iyo maalkooda ku jihaadana ilaah darajo way ayuu dheeraysiiye kuwa guryaha fadhiya( internet and tv addicts). haddii ay qiiro run ah kugu jirto baro diinta islamka kuna noqo wadankaagii oo maanta dad badan ama diin kale qaatay ama aqoon la'aan darteed ay wax walba oo ilaah xarimay ay u sameeynayaan, ama taageeraya kuwa umada baabi'inaya. ama joog wadan kufaar oo u hanjab hawada, ilaa cida aad u hanjabayso in ay guriga kugu dariskaaga ah ay degan tahayna garan maysidee.


asalamu calaykum.

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Fawsi

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TO: Phony mujahidiin


Duli baad tahayee SOCO!

Waxaad tahay baad tahay wax kale ku oran maayo. Naftiisa gabe mid kale ma saacido.

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Gacaka

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To. Ananymous

kopi to. others

Salaamu calaykum
Walaallayaal waxaan ilaahay idiinka baryayaa inuu inoo wada dembi dhaaafo maxaa yeelay ilaahay ma bannayn inaan isku xadgudubno, kumana jirto adaabta islaamka in lays caayo laakiin waa xaq inaan wanaagga isfarn xaqa iyo baadilkuna waa kala muuqdaan ilaahaybaana jasaaiga bixiya, ilaahay wuxuu quraankiisa kariimka ah ku yiri waxaannu karaamaynay bani aadamka haddaba yeynaan inagu karaamada iska qaadin fadlan aan ka ilaalinno shabakaddeena aflagaadooyinka sidoo kale

Ananymous jawaabtu waa haa shaki kuma jiro haddii aad soomaali tahay inaad xaqdhawr muwaadinnimo iyo mid bani aadamnimo labadaba aad ka helayso inta ilaahay xaqiisa garanaysa balse waxaan kugu waaninayaa waal in aad runta naftaada u sheegto oo ilaaha xaqa lagu caabudo ka baqdo soona waantowdo, tankale ixtiraamka aad helikartaa wuxuu ku xidhanyahay kaad geysato.

Ilaaahay ha inoo denbi dhaafo dhammaanteen hana ina soo hanuuniyo amiin

Said jama "26" juun

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Ahmad

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FOR Annonymous:


...yes, you can be somali and not be muslim. HOWEVER, personally, you and a Muslim-Somali will never be the same in my house nor my respecting in between the two of you will ever be the same...nor would I die for you as I would for the Somali-Muslim...Nor would you have my prayers as the somali-Muslim...nor would you mean to me anything in anyhow. BUT, you can be Somali. Somali is a name of nationality...not a name of a religion or followers of religion.

Blessed is He who guides whomever He wishes...and astrays whomever He wishes. I pray to the Lord of the Worlds...that I shall never be part of the astrayed ones...as the astrayed ones shall never be part of me. Let there be Light...for those who see...and may Lord has his mercy upon those who Believe.


Peace, Ahmad!

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Anonymous

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NO,
Ka noqo falka foosha xun oo ilaahey u toobad keen.

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Samsam

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To:anonymous + gaalo-raacyada

Waaryaa waa ninka gaaloobey(GAALO QURUNLEY), HAAYOO FOR DEFINATE waad noqonkartaa gaal oo diinta cidi iskuma khasabto, diintuna uma baahna dad ee iyadaa loo baahanyahay si aad uga badbaado ciqaabka maalinta aakhiro, haseyeeshee maangaab nacas adiga iyo inta kula fakrad ahba diintu uma baahna( XISBU SHAYDAAN AYAAD TIHIIN )
XUSBULAH AYEY DIINTU LEEDAHAY SIDA QUR'AANKA NOOGU CAD. Soomaalinimadu waxaa ka muhiimsan muslinimmada, ee hadaad Illaahaagii ku abuurtay ku gaalowday isqari oo qudhunka iyo nijaasta nagala dhexbax dayuusyahoow diintiisii doolarka dhaafsaday... hadaanad toobad keenin maxaa ciqaab Rabi ku sugaysa!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soomaaliyana haddaad ku noqotid dhagax ayaa lagugu dilayaa damiin yahow.
you said aerlier HAVEN'T WE HAD ENOUGH WARS.... TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH "DAMIIN" WE ARE DECLARING ANEW WAR AGAINST YOU KUFARS... YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE TRUE WAR JIHAAD... JIHAAD.... JIHAAD

HADDII HADEYN KUU DANBEYSO ALLE HAKU CAAWIYO, HADDII KALENA JAHANAMA AYAA NOOGA KAA FILAN ADIGA IYO ASXAABTAADA KU TAAGEERSAN EE SHILINKA GAALADA LA JAHA WAREERSAN!!!!!!!!!!SUBXAANALAAH ALLAA XUMAAN KA REEBAN.

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Waliid

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Salamu aleikum to all of you except Anonym (Kufaarka)

TO: AXMED!

Well said brother!. I blieve 100% the same as you mentioned above. That is our standpoint!.

May Allah (swt, the Lord of this universe) lead us into the right PATH Ameen !!!


Waliid

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Alyisa

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To Anonymous+ Anonymous
Reading the bible will definalty change your life it'll make you appreciate Islam. Jesus Christ was a powerfull prophet send by allah to the people of that time. Just like the prophets before him Noah, Abrahim, Moses and Houron his job was to spread the word of Allah "IT IS WRITTEN: 'WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY'(luke 4:8). If that's not enough Jesus goes on to say "NONE OF THOSE WHO CALL ME 'LORD' WILL ENTER THE THE KINGDOM OF GOD, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN."(Matthew 7:21)
I remind you that the concept of Trinity was developed after Jesus and that jesus NEVER proclaimed himself as god as Allah reveiles to us "AND BEHOLD! ALLAH WILL SAY: 'O JESUS THE SON OF MARRY! DID YOU SAY TO MEN, WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER AS GODS BESIDES ALLAH?, HE(JESUS) WILL SAY: "GLORY TO YOU, I COULD NEVER SAY WHAT I HAD NO RIGHT(TO SAY)(Quran 5:116)
I agree with you on one point and that is to seek knowledge as the prophet himslef said "seek knowledge from the craddle to the grave." It is nearly impossible for one to appreciat Islam if one lacks proper background knowledge. I would encourage all those who claim to have a renewed life because they converted to christeanity or whatever religion to be critical in their way of thinking don't just accept what you are given, expolre with an open mind then you will realize that Islam is truly the way of life and the religion of all man kind.

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XL

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to Alyisa

Jazakallaahu kheyran!

Well done!

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Muslim

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I think you coud be Somali but the question that needs to be answered is, will your Somalism work then? I think there is no Muslim person would ever be partner with Kufaar because Islam teaches us not to be partners or close friends to the KUFAARS. I encourage you not to count yourself as Somali because once you step out of ISLAM you're out of somalis too. Your identity as Somali has expired and if it is true what you are saying, chances are you might not get it renewed. As the history said, we never had SOMALI-GAAL but we have seen a lot of SOMALI-MURTAD who have been killed. It that's the career you're pursuing, your title will be SOMALI-MURTAD and think again and head for the right path. Gaalada gaalnimada waalidkood hore u ahaayeen Soomaaliya way dagi karaan wayna ka shageyn karaan ayagoo JIZYA bixinaya balse MURTAD dhagta ayaa dhiiga loo daryaa. Diinta ayaa qabta wixii gaalo raac noqda in xagooda la raaciyo xukunkoodana lagu qaada, hadaba xaguu joogaa mid gaalnimo cadeystay oo murtad ah.

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Alyisa

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Annoymous
Yes you can be somali and non-muslim at the same. Would you be treated different? Probably. Are you the first non-muslim somali? NO NO!!!! Just look at thousands and thousands of so-called Muslims ruining our country in the name of ignorance. Not only do they murder innocent people but they have committed one of the worst sins a muslim can committ by forcing a whole nation of muslims to seek refuge in Kuffar countries, therefore putting muslims with underdeveloped faiths in an environment where their hearts can go astray.
Are they muslims? NOOOOOOOO. It's so amazing all the people who say if your a somali and a non-muslim I would not respect you, yet at the same time they admire those warlords back home and take pride everytime someone from their own tribe kills to win over new land. They go around saying " oh my tribe is powerfull now because we have so and so as our leader and we just took over all of your tribe's land." Do you see the hypocrasy???
To be a somali is a matter of genetics and ethnic background, to be a Muslim is a matter of FAITH. I don't think it's accurate to say that Somalia is an Islamic state, we are so far beyond that. In a truly Islamic state innocent people are not murdered, in a truly Islamic state citizen are not forced to flee their homes and women are not raped.

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Hersi

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'Asalaam alaykum..fellow muslim brothers and sisters.

To: annymous

My answer to your question is yes ,you can be a nonmuslim or in other words Kufar and yet maintain your somalism,but you have to consider one thing you will be and remain worthless among somalis because of your kufarism. In adition to that when somalia secures islamic state with islamic legislations you gonna be senteced to death because your "MURTADESS".
Islaamka inagaa u baahan ee nooma baahna , inaga ayaa dan noogu jirtaa inaan illaahay (SWT) u hogaansano si aan uga badbaadno cadaabtiisa .
Sabatoo ah wuxuu yiri nabigii illaahay Muxamed (NNKH) Dhamaantiin waxaad gelaysaan janno ,except qofkii diida maahane ...markaa bey asxAABTII YIRAAHDEEN YAA JANNO DIIDAYA RASUULKII ALLOW,RASUULKII WUXUU KU JAWAABAY ,QOFKII I ADEECA OO ILAAHIISA KA BAQA JANADUU GELAYAA ,QOFII IGU CAASIYANA ,OO ILAAHII XAQA KU ABUURAY KU KUFRIYA NAARTUU GELAYAA OO KAAS JANNO WAA IS DAAYEEN.

Walaalaheyga soomaliyeed oo westiga kun nool iyo nafteydaba waxaan u dardaarmayaa inaan ilaahey subxaanuhu watacaalaa ka baqno ...oo aan ku toosnaano diinteena xaniifka ka ah .
waxaan illahey ka baryayaa inuu naga badbaadiyo halaaga ay nala damacsanyihiin kufaarta aan la nool nahay ...illaahey wuxuu quraankiisa ku jiri(kaa raali noqonmayaan,yahuud iyo nasiiri ilaad aad ka raacdo miladooda ) illaahey ha inaga badbaadiyo inaan gaalo raali gelino oo ay naga bedelaan diinteena xaqa ah oo ah diinta keliya ee illaahey agtiisa ka jirta .

wabilaahi towfiiq

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MIHARBI

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thanX Caraweela

TO BE SOMALI IS TO BE MUSLIM? IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO BE MUSLIM YOU MUST BE KILLED.... IF NOT, YOU ARE NOT SOMALI ANY LONGER....

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abdu

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TO:Anonymous

IF YOU ARE NONMUSLIM I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GOT TO THE HELL.

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Waryaa

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Salama....

**Greetings**

If the question is: "May* I lock-out from Islam, but not a Somali?"

Simple answer: Yes you, and you always can what your thoughts contend, hence you can if you aspire to.

In Quran, Surat Al-Kafirun: "Unto your religion, unto our religion."

But, we are doing our incumbent to advice you that to stay your very born purify religion, a religion that was a well-completed revelation to all mankind.

Read On::::

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Weli

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yes bro, u can be somali and not muslim,,,i think religion and nation is two diffrent things...
and i think what creat the most problems in the world is Religion,,,let's give the people freedom fo choice then the peace will come it self, if not,,,,nothing nothing in this Earth is going right

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Anonymous

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ku.gaalka.
if ware born none muslim you can just gaal somali ah but if you converted(aposted)then yuo arn't somali and you have no respect and rights amoung somalis,and if you come somali you will lose you'r heed!.murtad.

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Far

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You can be somali and Non-muslim or KUFAAR but your somalism won't work coz you'll be murdered for the crime you've committed. you've abondened your religion wich was Islam and it's islamically judged that your soul ought to be killed for its murtadnimo.

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macaani

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plain and simple,there can NEVER be non muslim somali,merkii diintaanyaa gobta eh ka tegtid ne waa merkii ugu denbeesi ee madaxaaga qoortaada fuulo

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DHEERE

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NO NO NO
YOU CAN,T BE THAT KIND AND AT SAME TIME BE SOMALI YOU CAN,T HAVE BOTH WAYS
SO IF YOU ARE NOT MUSLIM WHO CARE,S AND
DONT WRITE ANYTHING AGAIN JUST LEAVE US ALONE YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US AND YOU CAN,T GO BACK TO SOMALIA OTHERWAYS HMHMHMHMHMH

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TALIYE

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TO. ANONYMOUS.

HAA SOMALI WAAD NOQON KARTAA LAAKIIN MID BAA JIRTA. SOMALIYA WAA DAL MUSLIM AH SHARCIGEEDUNA WAA SHARCIGA MUSLIMKA, KAASOO DHIGAYA QOFKII DIINTA KA BAXA IN LA DILO, MARKA HADDII AAD DIYAAR U TAHAY IN SHARCIGAAS LAGUGU OOFIYO WAAD KU SOO LAABAN KARTAA WADANKA.HADDII KALE YOU ARE BETTER OFF STAYING ABROAD.INKASTAYSAN JIRIN WAX SHARCIGA KUU ADEEGSAN KARA XILLIGA HADDA AH.ANYHOW YOU KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF CONVERTING FROM ISLAM, UNLESS YOU WERE BORN AS NON-MUSLIM.THEREFORE YOUR QUESTION IS NONESONSE.

ILLAAHAYGII DIINTA ISLAAMKA NAGU HANUUNIYAY AYAA MAHAD LEH.

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum to all my brothers and sisters

To Anonymous:

I will answer your question as best I know. I can't fully appreciate your position because I was born Muslim and Somali. If you are a Somali born Muslim and that has abandoned Islam, may Allah guide you back. If you were born Christian and are Somali that is a different issue. I will tell you the story of a Christin Somali young woman.

I met this young woman in Somalia. If anything she was more Somali than I. She spoke better Somali and knew the customs and traditions better than I did. When we were together we never felt the difference. Her father was a clergy. As a religious man, he was against sex before marriage and did not indulge in alcohol. So as young women we had more or less the same values. The problem arose when she realized that as a Christian Somali she was limited in her quest to find her mate. It was not easy being her in our society. She was educated and beautiful and if a Muslim Somali man approached her, it was for illegal sex, something she did not believe in. Whenever she came over, we would talk at length about her wish to become a Muslim. She didn't want to be different anymore. But was afraid of her father. At that time I did not know as much as I do now about Islam. I wish I had. To you I can only say this: Allah forgives all sins but partnership. And the basis of Christianity is the trinity which is a blatant partnership. May Allah guide us all.

Peace

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kuku man

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dhamaan,

waxaan layaabanahay dadka oranaya soomaalinomo iyo islaam waa laba elements oo kala duwan,run ahaantii anigu taa ma aamin sani sababtoo ah yuhuud qofkii ah baa hebrew noqonkara hadaba maxaa kala saarey soomaali iyo islaam? yes,islaam qofkii qaadanaya iyo kii diidaya isaga iyo qaaliqii abuuray lakiin soomaali waa muslim waana beelweynta muslimka marooko laga soo bilaabo ilaa indonesia and yes,ilaahay swt wuxuu yiri waxaanu idiin abuurnay shucuub iyo qabaailo si aad isugu garataan lakiin marka arintu tahay disbeliever iyo muslim nationality wax la yiraahdo meesha way kabaxayaan ileen gaalaa noo keentay marka iska ilaawba

anonymous,

mr anonimous falacies sababtoo ah malaha wuxuu moodaa chiristianity inay tahay ilbaxnimo maybe wuxuu islee yahay adoo nijaasaysan dhexmar dad iyo dal daahir ah taasi dhicimayso waligeed laguu mana dhaamo in aad lawaarto uncle sam iyo ancle benson hedges iyo cayayaakooda jaahiliinta ah
iyo baadariyaashooda hadiise aad isku timaado somalia they will cut your flesh piece by piece

beware and never mention going back to somaliayaa ayu hal jaahil!

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JAMA

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Anonymous, you must keep two things to yourself and hide them if you want to live in Somalia or be with the Somalis.

If you are a laga-roone or a homosexual---you must keep it to yourself---unless you are asking for trouble and the other thing you must keep it to yourself is if you are christian or non-muslim---unless you are asking for trouble.

You can be an alcoholic or an alkuliiste or a qaad cune----but you can't be an open gay or an open non-muslim in the Somali community---you have to be in the closet---these two things can kill you if you confess them with another Somali---if AIDS do not kill you, Somalis will kill you if you are laga-roone or homosexual-----you must want to commit suicide----or---be in lonely guy-if you tell to the Somalis that you are a non-muslim---you will be dis-owned---you can't marry a Somali lady---Quranka wuxuu yiri----INA-MAL-MUSHRIKIINA-NAJISUN----therefore, you are a NAJIS--FILTY---in the side of Allah and in the side of the Somalis------you will become an UNTOUCHABLE---saxankaad wax ku cunto totoba mar ayaa la dhaqaayaa---the only Somali friend you will have--will not invite you to his house---the only places you will meet him are at the restuarants----INA-MAL-MUSHRIKIINA-NAJISUN.

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Warsame

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Anonymous

Jawaabtu waa HAA, HAA, and HAA.

I beleive that those barking terrorists are the worst trible agitators against their MUSLIM somalis.

I definitely agree with Caraweelo that the point is either you are Tolerant to your fellow country men and human beings or you are not. What's is the point to brag about that we are 100% muslim, if the result is what we see.

How ironic that we, who have benefited most, of the idea of religous and racial tolerence in Europe and North America, are the ones comdemning a fellow somali to death, simply because he said he is not a muslim.

Then again hypocrecy and fundamentalisim go hand in hand. The fundamentalist leaves his 100% muslim country and is comfortable in the westrern society with it's satanic democracy, tolerance and multiculturalism. At the same time he preaches hatred, killing and devisiveness in the name of the religion.

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JAMA

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Warsame, like so many people, you are confused AND mixing with the word SOMALI and the word ISLAM.

SOMALI and ISLAM are NOT two INTERCHANGEABLE words. !!!

As *IF* Islam failed us, you said or asked: "What is the point to brag about that we are 100% muslim, if the result is what we see".!

Warsame, get this: ISLAM did NOT FAIL us; SOMALIS FAILED THEMSELVES.

People have the right NOT to associate with whom ever they do not share with BELIEF.

KUFAR or GALL MAN, whether HE is a SOMALI or a non-SOMALI, can't marry a MUSLIM lady who happens to be a SOMALI.

A Somali MUSHRIK or KUFAR or GAAL WILL be RIGHTFULY discriminated and the SOMALIS who discriminate have every right to do so.

ISLAM does not say KILL that KUFAR or GAAL; ISLAM says A KUFAAR MAN can't MARRY a MUSLIM LADY.

That is not intolerance or hatred for him.

THUS, A SOMALI GAAL will not receive FAIR treatment FROM another SOMALI MUSLIM.

SO, if we do not FOLLOW what ISLAM say---NOT what SOMALIS say--WE will continue to FAIL OURSELVES.


WARSAME, do not mix the ISLAMIC teaching about TOLERANCE with the HATRED and the KILLING Somalis have and done to each other.

The religion of ISLAM didn't KILL the SOMALIS; Somalis KILL(ED) EACH OTHER; TRIBE did not KILL the SOMALIS; Somalis KILL(ED) THEMSELVES.

There is NO such thing as THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT in ISLAM. The knife PEOPLE us to cut the MEAT do not CUT the MEAT; the person using CUTS the MEAT. GUNS do not KILL; people KILL.


------------------------------INA-MAL-MUSHRIKIINA--KUFAARUN--NAJISUN-----------------------------------------

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

I agee with Warsame's saying people preach discrimination while they're living out-side-of-theirs. IMAGINE, had the U.S. and Europe said; "NO MUSLIM!" that would mean -- the ignorants who preach somalis should just be *Muslims* and other-wise those who are not should be killed, etc...would end up where?

I, similarly, agree with Jama's over-all concept that it's NOT *ISLAM* but *SOMALIS* -- both correct!

WITH people like you two, there is a hope for those somalis who live what the wicked people left centuries ago! ;D

*KEEPING my peace...*

Peace, Ahmad!

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WatchPerson

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Ahmad = Jama

How conceited can one be? You post and pat yourself on the back. You are full of it. Learn to become humble. And don't use your nonsense examples to make your point you NON-believer!

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umar

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WatchPerson,

You do not know that you have been had!

Ahmed really sent his BAIT to CATCH a FISH by agreeing with me and you(THE FISH) TOOK it(HIS BAIT). :-)

So, don’t Ahmed lure you and then laugh at your face----do not let him have the last laugh on your expense----if you are his adversary---do not give him that chance.! :-)

Accidentally, I was in another forums-----“Winners & losers of the past century”,-----and no one
accused me of being Ahmed.!!!!!!

For the last time, I'm not Ahmed. SO, please, do not create another round of WHO IS WHOM.

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JAMA

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OH! I mistakenly used another username (UMAR) instead of the username JAMA---this time!!!!!

Still, please do not accuse neither ME(Jama) or the username (UMAR) being Ahmed, okay?

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JAMA

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WatchPerson,

Call Me Whatever Name You Want, But Please Do Not Call Me A NON-believer Again, Okay

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JAMA

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An Advice:

It Has Been Reported From The Prophet:

Two People----If One Of Them, Calls And Says To The Other: "You Are A Non-Believer" And The Person, Who Is Being Said To Be A Non-Believer, Is Not Really A Non-Believer, But In Fact Is A Believer(A Muslim), Then One Of Them Becomes A Non-Believer---Which Is The Accuser.

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Postman.

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Ahmed iska ilaaliya.

Nur wrote on january 2000

Dear Brothers and sisters

From the first minute I had seen Ahmad’s comments, I knew he was a submitter no matter how
strong and how mournfully he tried to deny that fact, but I always thought that was out of
knowledgeable conviction (I hoped at least the person knew what he was talking about). I
have constantly seen how he contradicts himself in a very untenable way and I thought that
was too out of unsharpened arrogance, but now after I have visited the links brother Bashir
provided where Ahmad copies word for word from whatever he writes in this forums, I finally
understood why Ahmad talks about donkeys while we passionately talk about camels. I also
understood why Ahmad oscillates and flip-flops in argumentative maze while he is confronted
with simple clear directive. I also understand now why Ahmad is increasingly paranoid and
confused with himself, regarding whether to go ahead with his messengerhood claim or wait for
a while.

The man simply does not write what he knows and certainly he does not argue what he
perceives. Rather Ahmad copies (with slight editing) from those links and it is not surprising at
all why the man can not argue his point. (Because it is simply not HIS!)


I have visited these links

http://www.submission.org/eve.html
http://www.submission.org/jews.html
http://www.submission.org/mo-write.html

And I have seen a conclusive evidence of Ahmad’s copy and paste skills. We can ascertain
from here how impossible it is to argue a viewpoint via a delivery boy, for the delivery boy can
easily get stuck when the roads of reason close on him and he can only fluctuate in his little
entangled world.

Therefore, I have a little message for the delivery boy to convey back to his masters. The
message is Ahmad;

Bring your masters to debate with us, at least we hope they can argue their viewpoint if it is
theirs!

Walaalayaal;

Waxaan ogeyn in Ahmad ahaa qof submitter ah sababtoo ah submittersku waxay u taagan
yihiin oo dhan waa wax iska cad, balse waxaan moodi jiray in Ahmad ugu yaraan ay doodahani
ka yihiin wax uu aaminsan yahay cilmina u leeyahay, waxaan dhowr mar la yaabi jiray siday
Ahmad hadaladiisu sida qaabka daran isu buriyaan iyo sida uu u cantaaho marka dood laga helo,
waxaan is oran jiray waa arin aan submitarsiku ceeb u ahayn caadana ka dhigteen (madax
adayga.)

Maantase markaan soo booqday bogaga linkiga ah ee walaalkeen Bashiir soo helay waxaan
ogaaday sababaha Ahmad ku kalifay arimaha aan kor ku soo xusnay. Waxaan ogaaday in Ahmad
alahiisba alle iska yahay oo fariin wade uun yahay. Marka aad tagto bogaga aan soo sheegay
waxaad si aan shaki ku jirin u arkeysaa sida Ahmad usoo daabaco doodaha halkan ka socda
asagoon wax gacan ah ka geysan arimaha uu so guurinayo.

Hadaba waxaynu ognahay in aysan suurta galeyn in doodi ka dhex socoto dad loo kala fariin
geynayo, waxaana Ahmad ku leenahay macalimiintaada noo keen waxaa dhici karta in ay ugu
yaraan ayagu ku doodi karaan aragtidooda haday ayaga leeyihiin.

Waxaan kaloo jeclahay sida ay walaalaheen qaarkoodaba ay u weydiiyeen maamulka Somalinet
waxa ay ka qabaan arinta aflagaadeynta nabi Maxamed nabad gelyo iyo naxariis korkiisa ha
ahaatee, anaga oon wax dhib ah ka qabin in aan wixii cilmi ah ku doodno (ayadoo la kala
duwanaan karo) ayaa hadana su’aasha meesha taala waxa ay tahay in hadii aflagaadeynta
qabiilka uusan maamulku ogoleyn miyeysan ka sii xaq laheyn in aan la ogolaanin wixii aflagaado
loo geysto nabiga iyo asxaabtiisaba?

Waxaase dhici karta in walaalaha haya mamulka Somalinet aysan si joogta ah u soo booqan
karin bog kasta, muhiimna ay noqoneyso in email loo wada diro (aniga ayaana bilaabaya).

Waad mahadsan tihiin.

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Postman.

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Ahmed.

It came to my attention that you are a dangerous man and and a poison in the somalinet forumss. If you don't stop your garbage and continue your claim that there is a prophet after mohammed you will be kicked out of the forumss for good because we rule the house. I am watching your moves very carefully and want to see one wrong move. We will campaing conservatively to make sure you don't even write a hallo message in the forumss. Now, I suggest you keep your distance from the islamic profet adn his teachings and confine yourself with your disgusted rapist prophet RICHARD KHALIFA and say nothing about our prophet.

I am watching you!.

People who would say something GO VISIT


http://www.submission.org/eve.html
http://www.submission.org/jews.html
http://www.submission.org/mo-write.html

And compare what AHMED ADAM wrote in the somali forumss.

..SALAADDA
..MUSLIMS BLAME EVE LIKE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS DO.
..MUHAMMAD WROTE THE QURAN(MUHAMMAD IN QURANIC PERSPECTIVE).

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Postman.

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Ahmed can't deny he wrote this in the somalinet forumss that he is still considering the prophethood of RICHARD KHALIFA and he said"(UNTILL I prove that Rashad was not a Messenger...they’re STILL very much Muslims to me -- like it or not. I’m not a biased who just runs around calling people names that they do not deserve)".

I am watching!

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Warsame

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Jama

First of all plse don't say on my behalf something i didn't say. I never said or had any intention to say that islam has failed us or responsible for our failures. On the contrary, and far from religion, i was emphasizing that our intolerance and urge to despise or kill any body who is not like us, is what got us here.

You said also that "[I] like so many others are confused and mixing the word Somali and Islam". Once again please read my article closely, then give your opinion on it (hope you're not intentionally falsifying my points). I was responding to those people who were arguing that if [Mr. anonymous] is not muslim then he is no longer Somali. My point was YES, he IS somali even if he is not muslim because nationality and religion is two different things, to which, it seems you agree with!!

Jama, i guess you live either in Europe or in North America. You've full civil rights in that country, protected by its laws against any kind of discrimination without you claiming any cultural or ancestral bound to that country. It's possible that you're naturalized!. Your continued presence is the proof that you enjoy those rights. At the same time you said and i quote "A somali mushrik or kufaar or gaal will be rightfuly discriminated and the somalis who discriminate have every right to do so"!! Now without going into the integral or inalienable rights of the human being, let alone a national of the country, don't you see something illogic there. i.e how you been treated by "foreign countries" and how you want to treat your fellow somali? talk about confusion!

I would also like to ask you something. If the "Somali mushrik or kufaar or gaal is rightfully discriminated" what about a Somali Shiici or Somali Suufi or Somali Women who are not wearing the hijab or the Somali Men who don't have a beard ... ... and the list continues? will you "rightfully discriminate all of these? I mean where do we stop? I think never until we end up in your special brand of islam. And even then i've no guarantee if i'm not of your tribe, cauz we know that the tribe is never too weigh in!. In other words, the chances that an average somali MUSLIM gets a "fair treatment" from you are not very big anyways!

That's why i believe that tolarence is very essential to the individuals of our society. If you start to hate and discriminate it'll never stop and they will become an integral part of your personnality.

PS

Thanks Ahmed, an encouraging statement indeed.

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Anonymous

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hey i have been reading all your postings, everyone is trying to make a point..the brother who started this whole thing asked a question, you dont have to be negative about it, you dont have to hassle him. Even when we where in SOmalia, ppl were converting from the Muslim religion. I can name 3or 4 ppl that were not muslim and somali at the same time. Ppl we have to understand one thing, and that is there is only one Judge and thats allah. Its not your place to insult him its your place to advice him, to tell him positive things, if he doesn't want to hear about it, then let it go. Nobody tells you how to live your life. Most of us we claim to be muslims, but we dont pray, fast or act like we're muslims. Tell me what makes us different than someone with no religion? anyways, enough said , we have to respect each other's opinions, religions etc.
God bless you all

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JAMA

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Warsame, you said I said "A Somali mushrik or kufaar or gaal will be rightfuly discriminated and the somalis who discriminate have every right to do so"!!

And you asked me this: "Now without going into the integral or inalienable rights of the human being, let alone a national of the country, don't you see something illogic there. i.e how you been treated by "foreign countries" and how you want to treat your fellow somali? talk about confusion!


Warsame, I've one question for you that will clear your confusion and it will also make you understand my *logic*.

Say that you have a daughter who is in-love with this *wonderful* Somali man. He is very good to her and she wants to marry him; however, he is not a Muslims(but a GAAL). Would you give your daughter away and give your permission for her to marry this wonderful Somali man?

Remember, if you refuse to accept your daugther's request to marry this man, whom she is in-love with, you are doing a discrimination.!!!

Remember, this is what I also said "ISLAM does not say KILL that KUFAR or GAAL; ISLAM says A KUFAAR MAN can't MARRY a MUSLIM LADY."

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame.

You have some good points in there. However, I would like to remind you that when you choose to be a muslim, your life is directed and bound by your beliefs(And it is known fundamentalism these days). Let me clear again that Islam does not condone an act of violence against anybody, be it a believer of islam or anything else. It has never been compulsory to believe in god in the first place because the message was/is clear all the time. That said, your defintion "hypocracy goes hand in hand with fundamentalism" is really out of my perception.

When I read the news or watch international policy forumss on tv's, I hear the same definition they give to muslims who defy the western values and want to base their life in light of their faith. Is that hypocracy?. If one beliefs in the quranic system and wants to uphold it to guide his dealings in line with that perispective, what would you call that?.

Brother, you must defferentiate acts committed by ignorants using religion and lawful retaliation against an enemy who is bent on your destruction.

Don't generalize things the same way westerners do to demonise muslims. Because they don't want islam viewed a peaceful religion, they propagate unfounded accusations to legalise their constant hatred for muslims.

It is all politics. Islam is religion as well as policy that directs and unites people under one banner. That goes against the western system that views government and religion don't mix. In that case Islam must be contained before it gets firm roots in anywhere of the world be it islamic country or not. I hope you don't use the language of these people and call us terrorists but express yourself like somali.

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marwa

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to somali non-muslim

what Jamac said is correct for one hand, there is/was limit it'll be when it comes to religions, first being wonderful Somali but non-muslim you'll not be the same being somali and muslim. why? if I live in islamic world I can make Adam loudly and when is Ciid I enjoy the rest of society.
whether you like or not you'll never integer into society without filling their wishes it's nature I cannot have fun with people who drink if I do so I left my religion for their sake, being non-muslim you cannot marriage our girls with our permission. does this means isolation?.

after all you can be any nationality and non-muslim but being religion minority has it own price. if I don't do what my religion doesn't allow doesn't it mean I hate you? no, but do I discriminated you by not allowing my daughter? well for some sense yes!!.

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Warsame

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Jama

I don't know what to say. You haven't treated any of the points that i've raised here. Instead, and to prove my confusion!, you've asked me a counter-question which is out of the subject at hand. Also wonder why you put the exclamation mark on your first paragraf, do you mean that you didn't make that statement. In that case i'll advice you to revisit your earlier article. Anyway if we can't lead a civilized debate, then we better drop the subject as well.

Bro. Bashir, your advices are well taken and i'm, luckyly, and unlike many of us, ready to modify my views if i see them wrong.

That said you quoted me saying that "fundamentalism and hypocrecy go hand in hand", but bro. you didn't mention why i think so and the clear example i gave in my above article!. So to quote me out of context doesn't give me justice.

I do agree with you 100% that is Islam as a religion and faith is agaisnt violence and terror. To contrary it's a religion of peace and tolerence and i've never claimed otherwise. But you must acknowledge that there are pple, organisations and states who are using the name of islam to further their material and political ambitions. Thus we have terror, violence, hatred and intolerence. And mind you it's mostly the muslims who were the targets of this terror and violence, not the west. I think you've, at least, heard of the events which has happened in some regions of Somalia, not to mention other muslim countries.

I also would like bro. Bashir to stop, for once, this West bashing and see our problems as our own self-made ones and take full responsability of them. Only then have we the slightest chance of ever resolving them. If we put aside the politically motivated speaches we pick up from the "fundamentalists" - sorry, i know you don't like the word ):!-, we will understand what went wrong with us, somalis, and how we got to where we are now. In that case we won't see any western plots and conspiracies, but plain local problems we have in our society. I think that the best thing for us somalis, would be to address these problems, instead of looking for enemmies we didn't have in the first place.

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JAMA

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Warsame, why are you avoiding the question, my brother? :-)


HERE IS THE QUESTION AGAIN, MR. Fair.

Say that you have a daughter who is in-love with this *wonderful* Somali man. He is very good to her and she wants to marry him; however, he is not a Muslim(but a GAAL). Would you give your daughter away and give your permission for her to marry this wonderful Somali man?

Warsame, do NOT run away from the QUESTION and say then we better drop the subject as well----Please, answer it-----BELIVE ME, it will clear you CONFUSTION :-)!!!!

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geele

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Jama, it is obvious that he does not want to answer. The reason Warsame wouldn't answer your question is that he knows that if he denies for his daughter to marry this Non-Muslim Somali guy, he will discriminate the Somali guy and if he agrees with his daughter to marry this Somali guy, then Warsame will disagree with the teaching of Islam.

In both cases and in whatever his answer would be, Warsame will appear to a hypocrite. It is not about confusion. It is about hypocrisy.

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JAMA

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But Geele the confusion comes from Warsama's understanding of what is discrimination.

We know that Non-Somalis always discriminate the Somalis.

A Jew or a Christian person, for example, wouldn’t want to MARRY a Somali person SOLELY on *religious* difference-----there is nothing wrong with that-----just as there is nothing wrong with if a Somali/Muslim person would discriminate other non-Muslims for the same reason.


So, the issue on discussion on forums is not about Somalis discriminating Non-Somalis or the Non-Somalis discriminating the Somalis.

Rather it is about a Somali on Somali discrimination based on a BELIEF(Muslim or Non-Muslim).

And this is where Warsame is confused. He is confused with two separate issues.

Geele, about his double dealing or his hypocrisy that you pointed out-----well, I do not think he is a hypocrite. I think he wants to be *FAIR* and *JUST*.

Warsame knows that---for his own sake and for his own daughter's sake--it is not GOOD for him to allow his daughter to marry this non-Muslim Somali.

So, he would discriminate or make a distinction or a separation between the GOOD from the BAD----a KUFAR Somali man is not going to be a GOOD husband for his daughter-----so, Warsame should discriminate the KUFAR----if his daughter can’t see what is GOOD for her.

My point of my question was first to CLEAR the things for Warsame and where the CONFUSION is-----that is why the answer his to my question will CLEARIFY the things for him.

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JAMA

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Marwa, to answer your question: "if I don't do what my religion doesn't allow, doesn't it mean I hate you?"

No, it does not.

If the prophet said to us: Seek marriage in religious Muslim ladies and then I went ahead and gotten married a religious Muslim lady-----forget about marrying a non-Muslim Somali lady---have I exercised DISCRIMINATION?

Yes, I have. But does that mean I HATE all the Somali Muslim ladies---who happened to be--IRRELIGIOUS?

No, it does not.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame.

Brother, Before we step into somali politics and
what went wrong or how, I would like you to share with me a document dictated by the islmic prophet in which Christian rights are dictated to muslims and how they should treat them. Here It goes;


In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (s) granted a Charter of Privileges to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the protection of
Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service, and the right to protection in war.

An English translation of that document is presented below.


This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).


You see how justful islamic law is, if it is practiced. However, nowhere in the world today real islam is practiced including SAUDI ARABIA.

SADAM HUSSEIN was saying ALLAHU AKBAR when he invaded kuweit. He is the one who gassed all religious people and KURDS in his country to silence their opposition. SYRIA did the same. Egypt is the worst violator of human rights. All these shortcomings are due to POWER GREED and the love of LEADERSHIP with lust and greed. And somalis ARE the worst offenders of all. I think you should see things in that light.

I am open to comments.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame.

I left out to indicate that the christians who deserve that treatments are the the ones raised in christianity like westerners and the likes.
In any case, I would like to hear your comments on the above CIVIL RIGHTS JUSTICE FOR CHRISTIANS and if we have the same rights in the UNITED STATES FOR MUSLIMS. That was 1400 years AGO when that resolution was drafted when the west were eating each other for religious sectarianism and were in a dark age.

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Warsame

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Bashir

Thanks for the above message you've forwarded. To me it shows, as you have pointed out, that Islam and the Prophet (s) were well ahead of their time in tolerating and respecting other peoples rights and faiths. Indeed, at the time if the conquerors would have been other non-muslim armies, the result would have been different, for the worse that is.

But let's stay on a specific issue that we can proceed from, otherwise we will end up in too general topics and discuss over each other instead of adressing each other's points.

The question of how to best apply the "real" or the "spirit" of islamic law, has been debated in the muslim countries for over one hundred years. Unfortunately we are more devided now than when the debate has started. By the division i don't mean only between those are for the islamic law and those who are against it, but MOSTLY among those who want to apply it. And if we don't talk only on abstact terms, we see them every day condemning each other to the worst sins. So i don't know if it's worth while for us to go in to this subject.

I acknowledge the brutality of the regimes you've mentioned but my POINT IS that they are so, not because they are not islamic but because they are Intolerant dictators who face an equally intolerant and brutal opponents; the fundamentalists.

Now to come back to us somalis, we all know that we are a very very intolerant society. The fact that we didn't have any religious minority as many other muslim countries, did not make us more tolerant to each other at all. We could always have the other tribes, the midgaans, the elays ... ... And the most religious and pious persons couldn't escape from this intolerence.

So what i'm saying is, may be if we start to consider all Somalis as our fellow citizens who have the same inalienable rights as we and never go down from here, may be we could make a difference to our nation. It's not a revolutionary idea, but to some, it seems, it is.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame.

I would like to understand the minority that we need to accomodate?. Obviously, the tribes you mentioned are not minorities and the treatment they get from other somalis doesn't make them any less somali than the other somalis are.

If you would explain to me the minorities that we should respect, May be I can get your point. I don't want to do a guess work so I am relying on your clarification of the concerned people.

And remember, I have yet to give my opinion on the title.

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JAMA

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Warsame or Mr. Fair, you said:

"So what i'm saying is, may be if we start to consider all Somalis as our fellow citizens who have the same inalienable rights as we and never go down from here, may be we could make a difference to our nation. It's not a revolutionary idea, but to some, it seems, it is"

Warsame, you are keep dancing around the topic of discussion and you are still CONFUSED.!!!

The guy who started this topic asked and said:

"would you treat me difrent then the other somali[muslim somali] or you gonna treat me as same as like the others"

Again, would you (Warsame) treat this Non-Muslim Somali person different than another Somali Muslim person or would you treat them the same?

That is the real question you are avoiding to answer.

My answer is this:

The Non-Muslim Somali person CAN be my fellow country man, but he can NOT be my BROTHER----where as---a Muslim Somali man can be BOTH my fellow country man-----and----my BROTHER.

Thus, I would treat a KUFAR different than my BROTHER, would, Warsame? That is the real issue here.

Warsame, I see that you do not have the GUTS to answered his simple question and you avoided to answer my simple question that I put to you------which would have CLEARED your CONFUSION------, but instead you are bringing into the topic of discussion something else.


INA-MAL-MUSLIMIINA IKHWA---------------------Vs---------------------------INA-MAL MUSKRIKIIN NAJISUN

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Jama,

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Truly, your messages of Tue the 25th bear repeating!!! Good Job! ROTFL!!!


Warsame,

With or without democracy, I, Ahmad, personally, would not treat any somali less than any other somali -- this includes all the rights that we share as *SOMALIS*. However, personally, again, I cannot treat an unbeliever and a believer the same. A Muslim man, as long as beliefs God is one and that Muhammad was a Prophet of His -- deserves from special treatments that have nothing to do with official rights. So, it's sorta fine line! ;)


PostMan,

Greatly appreciate all the service! And, HELL, it's wonderful thing to know I have bodyguards who follow me around! heheheeh! Blessed BE ME! ;-D


Peace, Ahmad!

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XaAmiLo15

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Ayyo Anonymous fella A.K.A Non Muslim. We are on tha same situation. My sis and I think u're honest, respectful and we luv ya. My sis and I, we don't consider ourselves as bein' muslims. We have great deal of respect for every religion...and i think all of you out there should respect our beliefs, whatever they are...thank u...

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xirsi

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I will respect you as long as you don't rub your disbelief in my face.

If you ask me: Would you receive the same treatment I give my Muslim brother, I will tell you the truth and say no, you would not.

If my Muslim brother’s home and your home are next to each other and they are both burning, I will put out FIRST the fire of my Muslim brother's home, then afterwards, I’ll come to help out.

That is how it works. As they say, charity starts at home.

You could be worshiping rats for all I care. I care less about that.

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Warsame

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Mr Jama!

I must confess that with your articles i get confused!! As i said if you are capable of a civilized debate then we have a discussion. But if you are more interested of personal attacks, then go ahead.

Ahmed, As you have cleverly remarked a fine line indeed! too fine perhaps? ):!

Bro. Bashir, sorry if i didn't make my self clear, but i'll gladly try to clarify the point you've raised.

I didn't raised a specific minority issue in Somalia or somaliness in that sense. The issue is tolerance in it's broader sense. That we, somalis, must realize that one can be of diffrent tribe than his/her or may have different views or belief than his/her, and still must tolerate and respect him/her. In short, the respect and well treatment of ALL your fellow somalis, and other human beings for that matter.

What i was also trying to say is that once you go down from this principle, you then quickly slip down to the bottom. An example i gave in one of my articles above was if we discriminate or even kill a non-muslim somali, then from here some of us would claim that they exclusively have the "Pure, authentic islam" and start to purge those who have the "false islam" as non-muslims as well!. From there every one of us will se the members of his tribe as the best and most honest individuals who have been wronged by others!,Thus another purge. Then the closer members of your tribe will be even better in your eyes, and another purge ... ... We know that these are not far fetched scenarios!.

That's why you can be either tolerent or intolerent. In this sense, i am not trying to accomodate a specific minority or group, but i want that we, somalis, ALL accomodate each other. And we can only do that if we are tolerant, in the broadest sense i mentioned.

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JAMA

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Warsame, you are very funny. The guy who started here asked a simple question and I kept it alive in front of you, but what do you do?---you employ the crybaby plies and say I’m have been abused....I've mistreated---I've been personal attacked...... :-)

Okay, I'll leave you alone if that is what you want, but know that by avoiding the simple question that I put to you, you could not play FAIRNESS behind your computer monitor while pretending to be the only *modernized* and *civilized* Somali on here! :-)

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Warsame,

Brother, I think there are many things in this world which are on a fine line -- this is just one of those. Truly, it is clear...that, personally, I'd not have treated two somalis; a muslim and a non-muslim the same. And, as I said, I would not treat any of them any less somali than the other. So, it's a fine line. I don't know if it is *TOO FINE LINE*...but it sure is *fine!* heheeh!

I do have prejudice -- that is not the point. In some way or the other -- we all have prejudices. It just depends if it is positive or negative...or if a prejudice can be a positive thing.

I and other Muslims were talking about why God never sends a woman-messenger. We all came to the conclusion that at the times of the Messengers, Women wouldn't be able to do such job. But, we all, similarly, recognized to be sort of a prejudice -- it's just a positive one. Same with why unbelievers and believers do not get the same treatment at here-after. once again, a positive prejudice. The point is -- God is NEVER unjust or prejudice...but to man, because they cannot concieve the reality of God, they tend to think it to be *prejudice*(as unbelievers claimed it...time and time again!)

Similar, I don't think it's prejudice to not treat muslim and non-muslim on the same level -- because, it's sorta like a positive prejudice.

Islam, the religion in the Qur`an, God asks people to collect from non-believers a special tax that will protect them, especially. This sounds prejudice -- but when we look into it...it's not. So, there are many fine lines!hehehe!


Peace, Ahmad!

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Xaamilo15

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hahahahahahahahahaha@jama.

Jama, walaal...Haters will always be haters. I sugggest you leave them alone, becuz all they're doing is repeating themselves and thats no way to waste your precious time.

PEACE

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Bashka Abdi.

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Warsame.

I am back and would like to say to you that nonmuslim somalis should not expect an unconditional love or bondage between them and the rest of the muslim somalis. Yes they are somalis and will be rightfully discriminated by muslim somali society period. And if you ask one of the nonmuslim somalis they will tell you they don't feel that much belonging to somalia and somalis except they want to show off their difference and taut it in the faces of somali muslims which backfires at them anyway. so what is the big fuss here?.
They should stay with their kaafir bretheren. It is easy for them and don't have to deal with proplems. They have what they need in western countries. A lifestyle that fits their disbelief so why not stick to it?. Islam is submission and if one chooses to be muslim he forfeited his wrong desires and his life should be in line with what he believes in. And one more thing, don't buy into equality lectures which are lip services and don't exist in practice. See how US handles it's affairs with muslims you will learn a thing or two.

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Warsame

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Bashka welcome back.

I beg to disagree with your justification of discrimination, and i think you didn't treat the points i've been raising here.

About your pan-islamism against the pan-christianism or non-muslimsm as you've considered non-muslim somalis the brothers of americans and europeans!, i can only say what a strange classification!

If i'm on a palne heading for Egypt or Indonisia or Jordan, i've to provide my visa, the reason of my journey, the duration of my journey and my address while i'm there. My local christian co-passengers will be coming back HOME and will be entering in the nationals section. It's even possible that the custom officer is a christian or a hindu ( in indonisia's case). Now shall i cry and say "hey you! you can't ask me such questions as i'm muslim and you're not!. Well i can always try but it won't certainely help me get into the country!. The answer is NO and i'm perfectly satisfied with these procedures as they are only "RIGHT" and "JUST" (while those countries are not the model of righteousness and justice). The locals, whatever is their religion, and their ancestors have lived, worked and died there for thousands of years. A claim i can only make on Somalia.

I didn't say there is an ideal justice any where here in the world. In fact as a muslim i believe that we can only get that in the hereafter when we all face Allah.

About America i, personally, thank the United States of America and the european countries for helping, sheltering and protecting-many of certain death- hundreds of thousands of my people in a time we face one of the worst crisis of our existence as a nation. In a time when none of the so called "muslim brother countries" wanted to see none of us, in fact some them have watched us perish to death on their shores while others have sent us to certain death. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that they have any obligations visa-vis us nor do they, for that matter! Only want to wake you up from the pan-islamic utopia!. And please be a bit humble and don't say that "those countries are not practicing the "real islam" and my organization and I will bring about that!"

I also give my 100% support for the United States or any other country who is fighting any kind of terror and fanaticism to protect its citizens, no matter what name these terrorists and fanatics are using.

Finally you said it's better for the non-muslim somalis to stay put in western countries "with their kaafir bretheren". The funny thing is that, it's not only non-muslim somalis who prefer to stay in the west but hundreds of thousands of somali muslims who are already here, including you and me, and almost every single somali back home who would like to come here!!

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JAMA

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Warsame,

"I didn't say there is an ideal justice any where here in the world. In fact as a muslim i believe that we can only get that in the hereafter when we all face Allah."


You are right that *YOU* and *I* can *NOT* do an ideal justice. But Allah can do justice *NOW* while we are in the world and He *WILL* DEFINITELY do justice in the hereafter----by differentiating or discriminating the GOOD(the believer, the Muslim) from the BAD(the unbeliever, the Non-Muslim).

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JAMA

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Xaamilo15, PEACE to you too.

"repeating themselves"?

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame.

I wonder why anybody who disagrees with you didn't treat your points right?.

Or may be, you are employing, since you are adopted to western system, you are better than islamic minded people since they are TERRORISTS?. What a deal!. Mr civilized man, I left you alone with my unimproved terroristic views so you don't get contaminated.

bye.

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Warsame

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Bashir

Again i'm not satisfied with your classification!. About the sarcastic "Mr civilized" i don't think it's unreasonable demand to ask people to stay on the subject and refrain from personal attacks!.

Anyway i'm not as pessimistic about our debate as you seem to be. It was good that we exchanged our views even if we did disagree and we were CIVILIZED, weren't we!!

bye


Mr Jama!, There you see i'm stuck with this "Mr civilized" word!. Was puzzled with Xaamilo15s input as well. On the one hand she is a solid admirer of yours and is worried about your precious time, but on the other hand the "repeating themselves" could only refer to your famous question!!!

Was nice to have debated with you as well.
good bye bro. and take care

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JAMA

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Warsame,

You said we debated! But the funny thing is----I do not remember you and I debating at all. I remember you running scared and crying like a baby by saying "I've been personally attacked" when the questionings were keep coming at you and "repeating themselves"-------my question and the question from the non-Muslim person---""would you treat me difrent then the other somali[muslim somali] or you gonna treat me as same as like the others".

I'm glad, though, that you finally answered the questions---however painfully the repeating questions were, and admitted that you are not after all what you pretended to be--"Mr. civilized" or "Mr. fairness". :-)

You said "I didn't say there is an ideal justice any where here in the world", including Warsame, right? :-)

As for Xaamli5, it has been said that when the foolish address you and what they say does not really make any sense---, all you can say to them is PEACE. :-)

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Xaamilo15

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Ayyo JAMA


What i meant to say was...Don't be wastin' your time tryin' to make sense into somethin' that will go on for as long as U let it. They gonna keep makin' remarks, one after another and they're gonna keep repeatin' themselves. Do U actually think U can put some sense into these pple?


LATER


~!GhOsTeD!~

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Bashir Abdi.

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Warsame. The ilbax.

Bro, I learned to avoid arguing with people who are bent on their mediocre ways of life and view the rest of the people nothing more than a minor inconvinience who can be trashed any given time.

I told you in my early posting to speak like somali. Instead, what do I get as a trophy, trash talk and lectures from the jewish lobby in congress and their anti islamic vaccinations through the american society.

Tell you mr right, I don't want to demand anything, because if your civilization dictates you to insult people then what will an uncivilized terrorist demand will change?. If you want to be a DO GOODER, direct your energy to where it will benefit most. Educate somalis to hate tribe and the likes instead of inviting TERMITES and poison within who will ultimately change the demography and demand more more more of something that does not belong to them. History teaches us that the christians took advange of the liberal islam and its views of other religions. You have a minority and you respect them for generations. Next thing you know is a take over of the government and poisonous society comes along. Look no farther than our great neighbours of ethiopia and eritrea, how muslims are ruled with iron fist, muslims outnumbering the christians or equal yet both countries are named christian countries. I tell you mr CIVILIZED, learn history well, it might open your eyes.

Where will you lecture if you happen to go to somalia?. I am laughing at how somalis will react to you when you lecture them about your wonderful civil order and obidience to the new world order.


bye.

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JAMA

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"Do U actually think U can put some sense into these pple?"

Not if they ignore the questions, but, Xaamilo15, can you put some sense into anyone?

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WADANI

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ASALAAMU CALAYKUM
(TO ALL MUSLIMS)

TO:ANONYMOUS

BAARO YAHAY QURUNTAY, DIINTII ISLAAMKA INTAAD KATAGTAY AYAAD RABTAA HADA IN AAD AFKAAGA QURMAY SOO TAAGTID OO AAD DHAHDID 'SOOMAALI BAAN AHAY'. WARYAA I MAQAL ANIGA. MARKII AAD KATAGTAY ISLAAM, SOMALINIMADAADA WAY KU DAYSAY.

SOMALIYA HADII AAD KU LAABATID, WAXAA GAURANTEE AH IN QOORTA LAGAA JARI.

WE DON'T TOLERATE 'HOMESEXUALS' AND FILTH LIKE THAT. WE KILL ANYONE WHO COMES WITH VIEWS LIKE THAT. AS FOR THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM WE NO LONGER CALL SOMALIS WE CALL THE KAAFIRS (GAALO QURUNTAY).

INTAAD ALLAH DIIDAY BAAD WAXAAD RABTAA IN AAD HOOSTA NOO SOO GASHID, DOOFAAR URAY, JIRO AAN DAAWO LAHAYN, WALKING GERMS, KHANIIS IYO WAXKA DARAN BAAD TAHAY.

MAR DANBE WAXAAS MALAA MAQLI KARO.

REER GALBEEDBAA MASKAXDA KAAGA KAADIYEY MARKAAS BAAD DOONAYSA IN AAD NIJAASADA NOO KEENTID.

SOMALI MA TIHID, ANIGAA KUU SHEEGAHAYA. BAKHTIGA CUN WAXYAHOW QURMAY.

SOMALIYA MAMNUUC BAAD KATAHAY ADIGA IYO WIXII KULA MID AH IYO WIXII KU RAACSAN.

WE DO NOT TOLERATE SUCH 'FILTH' IN SOMALIYA AND YOU BETTER GET USED TO IT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS GOING TO BE.

DEATH TO THE MUSHRIKIIN

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Enough intelligent

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Waar hadalki oo kooban ninkii Soomaali baan ahay gaalnna waan ahay yidhaaha inaanu daqiiqad noolaanayn hadduu soomaaliya tago, wallaahay labaa loo kal jarayaa, tijaabi xaajoow.
Ma annagaa gaalnnimo asal iyo abba u leh gaalnnimo aa aa huhu ahhaaa ahha.

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Anonymous

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You really make me sick. Who cares if you are a somalian. People like u distroy our reputation. First of all i see u have the devil phillosophy(christianity) i see u are brain washed. U are calling a fellow brother a terorist. I swear if i knew who u are i could killed u at the spot.
I hate sellouts like u.

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Abd-Nasir

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Hi Anonymous,
I couldn't understand who your question is addressed to,See Islam is not only for the somalis
but the the whole of humanity.Any muslim will tell
you that islam comes before ethnicity,Gender and
any other social or political groupings.So is your interest to know the views of muslims on the non-
believers?,For that refer to the Qur'aan,But if it
is the assimilation of non-believers into the somali community you have to ask the proper authorities.I do know though that there is no compulssion in matters of faith and that guidance is from ALLAH(SWT)alone.Hope that helps.

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xoosh

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ku:soomaali oo dhan

Waxaan la soconaa in dad badan oo ay ku jirto islaam nacayb,ay ku calaacalaan maxay soomaali u noqotay 100% muslim. marka ninkani ma aha soomaali ee walaalayaal yuusan waqtiga idinka lumin. xitaa hadii uu yahay arintu waa "HANQARAARAC LUG UMA HITIYO". haka yaabina inuu soomaali gaaaloobay uu dib soomaaliya ugu soo laabto.

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Anonymous

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I think the only person to answer your question is really yourself. It is your life that you are living and no one else can do or say anything to change the way you are. Whether you are Muslim or not shouldn't be an issue at all. You are Somalian. You were born that way and you will stay that way, no matter which religion you chose. Different people in this world have different beliefs and we should all learn to respect each others decisions and treat all as equals. Only then will we all be at peace with one another

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