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     | Friday, March 16, 2001 - 07:22 am A salaam alayckum A group of young muslims, most somali, (although we may have two new members who are non somali soon ) mainly aged between 18- 28 are involved in a group in which we discuss Islamic issues, and generally try and support each other in learning. our aims are to try and educate our selves, and then spread this education wider to the somali community here in the dispora and the community in the Horn of Africa Currently we number 16 and this figure is growing weekly at a rate of 4 or 5 members Secondly to our educative objectives, we are hoping to contribute economically and socially to the lives of the somali muslim ummah and eventually the wider community.(NB The organisation, is expressly non political, not that we object to Islamic political ideology, far from it, however we feel that it is a reasonable assessment of our current priorities) We seek to do this, by creating and sustaining a broad base network of professionals and students so we can pool our resources and utilise our skills effectively. so far we are well covered in the fields of material/life sciences, social sciences, engineering, economics and finance and computer science. We hope to have a rippling effect, by increasing and increasing our numbers, until there are many of us, striving to positively change our condition and the condition of those who suffer around us. We hope by the will of Allah to have some serious achivements and would like to extend a invitation to anyone who would like to join. It is a lateral broad based organisation, which has membersfrom Europe North America and Australisa. Business is conducted mainly in english, with shards of somali and arabic floating around. While the organisation does not have a critera of who is allowed to join and who is not allowed to join, it isn't really a forums for arguement per se, there is plenty of opportunity for that stuff here, please note, that you can choose to be involved in one area of the project and not the other. For example, you can take part in the education /learning circle and abstain from the social issues your brother in Islam anyone interested should please e-mail me at yassin_9 at hotmail.com yassin_9@hotmail.com ja zaku allahu Kahrin anything you read that was good came from Allah, anything bad was from me "ALLAH is my Lord, Islam is my LIFE , AL-QURAN is my GUIDE,THE SUNNAH is my practice, JIHAD is my spirit, RIGHTEOUSNESS is my character, PARADISE is my goal, I will ENJOIN that which is RIGHT, FORBID that which is WRONG, FIGHT against oppression, and will DIE to establish ISLAM! - inshaAllah.
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| | Friday, March 16, 2001 - 04:32 pm Salaama Aleikum Brother thanks your efforts but most of us speak, read and write Somali, why don't you change the language to Somali so its easier lot of us to take part. Mr. Common I sure you can read and write well Somali language.
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| | Friday, March 16, 2001 - 07:34 pm Asalaamu alaikum all, Just to add to what brother Common said, the membership is not limited to individuals in that age group. Older members are particularly welcomed. Ahmed Jamma, allow me to comment on the issue you addressed to brother Common. When we first started this project, majority of those that responded were individuals who can hardly read or write Somali. So you can kinda understand our dilema. Since you participate in this Forum which is mainly conducted in Enlgish, I would imagine your comprehension of the English language is very good. So if you wanna be part of this and help the community, the fact that affairs of this project is being conducted in English should not stop you. jazakallahu khairan for your interest. salaam.
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| | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 02:43 am A salaam alaykum Ahmed Jama walaal no, thank you for thinking of me that way, but my somali is not sufficent in that way I would like to thank TGL for correcting me, yes the age is not an issue, and forgive me everyone for alluding as such
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| | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 05:48 am Salaama Aleikum Its ok I just prefer Somali when it comes to religion matters. So the answer is "let the English rule everywere" that is the way British people proud always. I hope oneday not far these words will decline.
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| | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 08:48 pm Asalamu Alaykum Ahmed Jama, I think you misunderstand the language thing. Trust me most of us in the group have a deep love for Somalia and all Muslims unfortunately we do not write in Somali due to no fault of ours. Personally I would love to learn how to write and read Somali but I can barely express myself verbally in Somali (I get better by the day). So dear brother it is not a preference thing but circumstances are as such. I have read a few of your post and akhi you seem to express yourself well in English Masha Allah. If the Language is not Arabic then the rest are all the same when it comes to Islam. They all suffer from distortion due to translation, some more than others.
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| | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 08:53 pm I read your post again and I noticed a disturbing animosity towards the English language, this is very dangerous as Languages are always good and an asset. Allah is the source of language and is a part of knowledge to a certain extent. The sahaba learnt other languages so that they make call to Islam. Insha Allah I don’t expect you to accept my statement about Allah being the source of All Languages without reference, It is late now and Insha Allah I will post it or email it to you, I saved your email address the last time you emailed me (at fresh2000)…sorry for not responding …. I can get a little paranoid at times especially when I don’t know who I’m talking to. Don’t let language prevent you from joining the group, You may have something beneficial to share with us. You can’t lose by make new Muslim friends even if we don’t write in Somali 
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| | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 11:06 pm Does it really matter what language we speak?As long as we understand one another everything should be swell . The question is... How come your not speaking in Somali? I've come across most of your posts surprisingly enough you rarely speak Somali yourself! Why is that? Shouldn't you practice what you preach? Anyway not to get off topic here...Common that's wonderful what your doing! Inshallah I'll e-mail you once I get the time. Asalamu alykum
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| | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:19 am a salaam alaikum wordsworth i will look forward to it sister
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| | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 08:09 am Salaama Aleikum Bro JB you dig deep, I Just said I prefer Somali, don’t force me to join this group.
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| | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 10:25 pm A salaamu Alaikum Amhed i don't think forcing you too join anything was his intention brotherman. Let me get back to my business. hey somali muslim folk. Where you at?.. man i should be doing some forcing myself. The other pages get way more love than this page. Ya'll better recognise. Its so easy to pretend to be american behind this comp screen, really I am an english geek. Okay enough enough, , just wanted to hype up the page, so it doesn't slide down the forums.. what you looking at me like that for... man persistance!... the key to success. ja zaku allahu kahrin ps: JB brother don't feel you gotta respond to brother Allah knows your intentions and the page might get confusing
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 02:13 am Asalamu alaykum brother common I know a brother who wants to join our efforts in good (insha Allah). He is from the USA (Miami), Insha Allah I will email you his address once I get to school.
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 03:36 am Common, JB, TLG You guys are my heroes....wallahay brothers&sister you change my way of thinking our somali in the west....I always thought we became a Group who lest their religion and can,t joint the other besicly a Group of ppl who are in deep Comma! but now do I see a bright lights alll around? Manasha,allah. What I want know guys, what do I have 2 do if I join you? I mean as I don,t have a lot of time...what is the responsiblities one have to expect 2 join you? May Allah guide Us all. Ahmed Jama Do u have 2 diss this Beautifull Organisation like that? I used 2 think u are intresting Br when it cames 2 Islam!
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 05:29 am InloveWhitIslam The organisation is pretty relaxed, everyone contributes as much or as little as they like, there is always someone who is the driving force posting articles and generating discussion. Some people prefer to just read not posting anything, other post and read frequently, others are more sporadic, posting often one week, and then chillin out for a while.. you will fit in well inshallah, you will find your own pace, in fact you can set your own pace. jb thanks brother, i will inshallah be prepared
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 11:07 am Asalaamu alaikum, JB, stop forcing people to join the group...lol. Seriously, Ahmed Jama, walaalo, no one can/will force you to join anything. Lets all keep a level head here. You have a point in your peference for the Somali language. I have a proposal for you: why not join the group and help us with our somali. I mean since we all plan to go to Somalia one day, we do have to have a good command of the language and now might be a good time to start improving our language skills. Inlovewhitislam, we look forward to having u in the group insha allah. Common, bro, why don't u write your e-mail at the end of every message u post so that people don't have to scroll up if they decide they wanna be part of the group. Just a suggestion. salaams.
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 03:43 pm Hey common where do the discussions take place at msn? one more request can I add your email on my msn list?
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 01:00 am a salaamu Alaikum anon yes you can add my address our discussions take place at "topica" yassin_9at hotmail.com yassin_9@hotmail.com
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 09:30 am well.. come on i had to post the page was sliding down i feel obssesive.lol
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 02:13 pm Common: Lol, so this is where you've been. I like your expression "brotherman". Lol. Boy do I have a bone to pick with you, it concerns you being an english geek and using the very american term "y'all". So do you have a british accent??lol, I wonder how it sounds when you say "y'all". y'all said with a british accent..lol..that's a funny thought. Excuse me while I am amuse myself and laugh at my own jokes. I just figured I'd help you keep the page alive. My ppl, my ppl..my dear ppl, This is a great opportunity to see young muslims in the west in action today. If you have the image of someone in the mosque 24/7 (allah bless them)as the only way to be a good, practicing muslim then this is your chance to see students juggle studying, working and marriage (wink wink, you know who you are). You can see how they struggle to keep islam as their top priority, you can see how having what great ideas some of them come up with. I other words you can see ppl just like you trying to swim against the tide, and hoping not to drown. now and again, p.s..oh yeah and common does NOT write as fancy as he did at the beginning in this page..infact I can't see him as a geek. Lol, just thought I'd tell you that just incase you figred we're formal ,with ivy league, un-understandable writing styles.
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 02:54 pm Asalaamu Alaikum guyz! yeah just thought I'd make one of those rare visits lol. (oh and the page was sliding down too) Ahmed please join the group brother, I can translate in somali if u wish lol. (but dont put me through that). yassin_9@hotmail.com (lol...just doing my bit to help)
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:46 pm Hello Folks leave Ahmed alone, he have a rigth to do what ever he wants not what TLG wants and her group.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 02:29 am Dear others Leaving ahmed well alone, ya Allah!, isn't is strange how an issue can be made out of such a minor thing? Please bothers and sisters, by this i means those who are observing our actions, lets not try and twist things, subhannallah!.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 04:13 am Common May Allah grant you a credit for this effort of yours. Iiman is something that resides in the heart and expressed with good deeds, xaqqan, this is a good deed and I enjoin all brothers and sisters to aid this effort as a response to Allah's invitation " Cooperate on issues of goodwill, and piety, and do not aid each other on issues of evil and enemity" I do not know the details of your program, but I have the following suggestions: 1. Towxiid must be tied to every aspect of the program, it is the most fundemental corner stone. If a person dies tonight with towxiid under her belt, she is heading for Jannah at the end. And Allah may forgive evrything except shirk. But no matter how mush we know about Islam,or do, if we lack basic understanding of Towxiid, and our actions are driven by non-ikhlaas motives, then, we are in for a big surprise. As an example when you discuss Zaadul Macaad, and read about the guidance of the Rasuul SCWS, pay special attention to his solid relationship with Allah SWT made possible by Towxiid. 2. Like food, different people are attracted to Islam for different reasons. Any program that does not address topics that are in the minds of bros and sis's may loose them for organizations that thrive on single issues while wasting the potential of would be ducaat. A person who has a narrow view of Islam can be misled, but, a person backed with towxiid, who has a benchmark for evetything to check it is validity, will be able to see a wider scope of issues while being firm on the details of each aspect. 3. Put brothers and sisters in driver seat, let them read a topic and discuss what they understand, then with the help of the learned caalim, encourage what they got right, and correct what they misunderstood. There is no learning method better than active participation. It is advisable that topics are selected to match the curent needs of the members. for example a member who is stingy in spending should prepare a topic about the economic concept of Islam in light of Sunnah of Muxammad SCWS, etc... This will be an eye opener for that participant and an active learning for the group. Passive learning puts people to sleep. Taqabbalallahu minnaa wa minkum saalixal acmaal.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 06:22 am Assalaamu Alaikum, Brother Nur, First and Foremost, Jazakallahu khairan for those beautiful words. There is a wisdom that flourishes from your writings whenever you contribute a piece to this forums. Your sincere advice, based on your understanding of the Quran and Hadith, is well appreciated. When we started our group discussion (network), we had many of the concerns you mentioned above. We looked at our ummah and saw a grimy picture, and decided to take decisive actions that would have impact not only on us but the larger ummah. We are all familiar with the extent of the misery that befall on our people. As we all recognize, the task in front of our generation is far greater than that of earlier generations who came before us. The task of our generation is to change things and be at the forefront of new deals that will change the course of our wheel. The question then becomes, how do we meet the challenge of this decisive moment? How do we turn the desire of tens of youths to concrete and practical ideas? Without doubt, our generation possesses new deals that suite the needs of our ummah. What we need is to identify the problems, hypothesize its solution and see to it become effective. The lack of education, we argue, is the root cause of many of the problems. But how do we go about educating the masses? In order to bring about this, we need to initiate network discussions and groups of individals who think alike. Such steps mean educating ourselves first and sharing that knowledge with larger members of our society. Without doubt, our generation is a unique generation--a generation who is well versed in the sciences and who is willing to take responsibility for their religous duties. Morever, our generation is a generation who is willing to change things and imply Islam in their lives. This is why it's essential that we discuss things among ourselves. And this is why we started the network or the discusion group. Naturaly, we discuss one topic every week and hope to generate "active participation" from all members. One person does a research on certain topic every week and the rest provide feedback on that topic. We started our discussion with a topic about Towhid and included a discussion on Riba and other interesting subjects. Indeed, what we hope to see is all members being on the driving seat and discussion of the current affairs of our ummah. Since the back grounds of the members differ, from biochemistry to engineering, from Pol. Sci to Economics, from Computer Wizards to Public health advocates, our discussions are also varied. What unites us alll is the concept of Towhid and passion for Islam and need to do something about the miserable conditions of our Ummah. And what a better way then to start discussing things withing ourselves first and foremost? At the end let me ask you, dearest brother, if you would honor us by being a member of this discussion group. Your wisdom, kind words and intelligence is much needed in our discussions and would be appreciated much. The group discussion is just like the Somalinet Forum, and you would contribute the same way you would contribute here. Please communicate your feeling on this subject with brother Common. jazakallahu Khairan. Allahuma Rabana Taqabal minaa inaka Camiicul Caliim To all readers The aim of our discussion group is merely that: discuss matters of great concern to our ummah. We aim to educate ourselves thru discussions and research and the long run help our ummah. This aim has already been mentioned above by Common, TLG and others. Please read above for more detail. Thank you all, wasalamu alaikum warahma. P.S. There is no need to have in this discussion group those who are not intereted in being a member. Hence, we should honor the request of Ahmad Jama and say to him, "thank you." I think people are making smoke where there is no fire. Nobody forced Ahmad to join our discussion group, he was invited and he said I'm not interested and that is that. So, bro/sisters, lets end it there. Jazakumullahu khairan.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 08:00 am New Deal If my contributions can help, I am for it. What is the venue for contributing to this new forums? and what type of contributions are needed? Is it through Emails? actual presence in British Columbia, or Apache Junction, Arizona, for an example, or teleconference, like some groups do in Toronto? My first contribution is on its way to Allah, I have made dua for the success of your effort.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 09:10 am Asalamu Alaykum Jazak Allah khair brother Nur for the du’a the Halaka Is conducted on a discussion board similar to this. The main difference is that all members of the ‘group’ are Muslims who sincerely Love Islam and hope to make a positive contribution to Muslims and ourselves before the sun rises from the west. You will notice the Absence of people who tend to stir the topic off course. Try opening a useful topic here and before you know it a war erupts or the topic is changed to a discussion about the validity of Islam or the existence of Allah! Alhamdulilah most of us are past that stage of doubt and would like to have a constructive dialogue. Please email Brother Common (not so common and who is very special to us all in the group) at yassin_9at hotmail.com yassin_9@hotmail.com Insha Allah he will give you further directions via email New Deal, Thanks for the clear information, he is correct our group is lacking an ascetic kinda brother (I mean that in the best sense of the word). Most of us see things from a different light due to our upbringing and experiences. I am Sure your input will be much appreciated by all in the group.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:38 am Nur thank you for the advice and the prayers and the e-mail i have emailed you back JB AND NEW DEAL thanks for the posts JB saxiib be careful , complimenting me may get both of us in trouble I love you for the sake of Allah for it though. your brother common
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:44 am Salaama Aleikum Bro Nur Waxaan rabaa inaan ku weydiiyo arin personal ah marka emailkayga waakan ila soo xiriir insha Allaahu, markad time heshid. sabdi@yahoo.com
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 08:32 am Asalaamu alaikum all, Good job "network" team. Nur, jazakallahu khairan bro, we look forward to having u in the group. To smartsis, asalaamu alaikum dear sister, Please understand that this is not " TLG's group". WE are a group of muslims who are striving to do what is good for the ummah fi sabililah. Comments such as the one u made above might deter people from participating in the project. Ahmed, please accept my apologies on behalf of everyone if we seemed rude, forceful or even desperate in trying to get you into the group. All we are trying to do is the best for our ummah with the help of Allah and as such extended the inivitation to any Muslim who is interested. Keep us in your dua. I now leave you all out there who might be reading this folder with the following hadith: "Take benefit of five before five: your youth before your old age, your health before your sickness, your wealth before your poverty, your free-time before your preoccupation, and your life before your death." [Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam - al-Haakim, al-Baihaqee: Saheeh]" Your sister in Islam.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 08:40 am assalamu alaicum brothers and sisters how are you? I think this very interesting topic that you are doing. I will inshaallaah contact you. I love the xadiis.
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 02:54 am Common,TLG I see the Networking thing is coming along nicely. But why Halaaka? Change that ugly name and I will apply for membership! By the way whatever happened to ANON? Has he "pasted" someone to death and has been sent Alcatraz or something? keep-up the good work kids and may Allah and his helpers (you know the Prophets, angels, Djinns and the rest of the cosmic gang)assist you in your endeavour, so long as you harbour no ambitions of stopping my plans for the Brewery in Mogadishu! Speaking of Mogadishu, can I draw your attention to an article written by a respected Somali Journalist about the Islamic courts that are beating-up people with impunity? It is at the bottom of Somalinet's first page. Tell me what you think. Nowandagain Are you sure you are a beardess? you sure don't sound like one, what with all the jokes and the flirting (which is healthy) I think I like you! (please say you are in your late thirties so I don't feel guilty!!) And I only think you are lady because your abbreviated username reads Nag which I thought must be a Freudian subconcious self-identification slip. Good day Halaaka kids!
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 04:49 am Hm, Galool, I think you are out on a "chicken-run", here....hehehhe! I am in the mid 30's, does that count...? LOL! (just kidding) :-/
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 07:01 am WGN just trying to spice-up the lives of these litlle guys! They're in their 20s and all they are thinking about is death and the next world! How dreary! At their age, Gods,death, religion and hellfires were the last thing in my mind, as I was too busy trying to save the world when I was not too preoccupied with chasing uppity Somali girls playing serious game of hard-to-get (or at least that is what I told myself!) Boring little lot aren't they Religious youth?
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 08:15 am Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh, Insha'Allah I hope the halaquah will be conducted in English. I am not a somali, I am a new muslimah Alhamidulilah who has been guided to this deen by Allah subhanna' wa ta'ala then by a very very close somali friend of mine who gave me dawa. So now you all know why I am here i.e. my connection with my somali friend and why I need it to me in english ........i don't speak somali exept for aniga and adigga. So, I hope you reconsider, i.e. whoever does not want the sessions in english.....
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 08:24 am Galool, this might be a good time to activate your "humane" genes and respect this folder. I see you are getting desperate for baseless punch-ups. Insha allah Anon will back soon, so don't dispair. In the meantime, behave like a good o'l somali man is supposed to behave and stay out of this folder. Now and again, sweet sister, don't feel obligated to respond to galool. In our culture (Somalis), Old men are given leeway on some things. Particularlay if they are at a risk of getting senile dementia. P.s. Galool, I see u did your part in keeping the page at the top. Thanks. If you have anymore questions/comments etc. You can always create a folder entitled "halaka kids" :-)
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 08:26 am Umm dyanmite...lol.."aniga adiga"...please don't embarass me like that. And I thought the "dirac" one was bad enough.
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 09:39 am Salam All Umm dynamite the halaqa is conducted in English other then the here and their words that are put in(either somali or arabic its not often thatthis is done). But, I also can't read somali and i haven't had a problem with the halaqa in terms of communication. So inshallah all will go well. I gotta run if u want more info repost. Your sister in faith MuslimSisTa Salam all
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 09:41 am I found your 2nd point very interesting @Nur. When i first encountered this forums i was very interested in knowing all i could about islam irrespective of the subject matter. With confidence that i knew suffiecient foundation knowledge, i sought to ask and even dared to post a subject of interest to me at the time "Sufism" those who are regulars here i think know the out come!. Since then i have asked little made insignificant comments in random threads. I don't have the same view nor the child like curiousity about islam which i came here with. Islam has become just a duty a borden at times. Barrier against certain things and no longer carries the same potentail for joy at all. Let me try to use an analogy to express a simple case: If i was dying of hunger and someone came along and offered me a piece of bread for example! i would rather die then eat that bread if the hand that offered me the bread was covered in boils and the individual was dirty and smelly and had flies all over him. I never knew about this group. But now that i do, i will request my friends not to FORWARD anything from them to me! they may wish to save people but i have formed a negative opinion about them and their SALAFISM or WAHABISM. Mind you i don't have a clue what THEY stand for, i just encountered these people at a time i was hungry and they now put me off certain types of "food". Besides myself! could you please think carefully about what you say to people who may truely be hungry for islamic knowledge. The spark of spritual longing and associated need to quench their thirst are gifts given to few. Once lost it is hard to generate the motivation required to search.I can only hope Allah does send these unique sparks of thrist for islamic knowledge more then once! Hope allah forgives me for my emotions. Maybe i just hate your ability to paste endless info or just your little self rightous groups jolly happy attitude and we are the best mentality, irrelavent thought hope you all have success and allah guide you all in your struggles to self improve.
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 02:10 pm Galool, I couldn't agree more... Life experience is a good thing...lol! TLG, I like this old man...heheheh! At least he is adding some spice here... ok-ok, I'll run like h... out of here...
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 03:48 pm Galol, your Kufri remarks make me hang my head with fear!!
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 06:14 am Common, FG, TLG, ANON, Newdeal Please go to Fahamka Islamka folder, Walal ma Denbibaa sub-folder and tell me what you think. Thanks.
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 02:59 pm Kamaaldin, asalaamu alaikum dear brother... I don't wanna turn this page to other than its intended purpose but i'm a disapointed at your post. Granted, some of us don't really have the patience to discuss some topics such as the validity of one islamic group versus another but for you to generalize your views and findings to ALL members of this group is short sighted a little harsh, don't you think? In Islam, we are supposed to help one another in righteouness and piety. The effort of this group is as such and i'm sorry to say u are not doing anything good in critising it. Also, if you can't say something that benefits or pleases your fellow Muslim, the best thing to do as the prophet (alayhi salaatu wa salaam) instructed us is to remain silent. You say this "group and their salafism and wahabism". Can you cite anywhere we used such labels to identify oursleves? Subhanallah! I think we should all try and display a lil level-headedness when contributing to these forumss. It is your fundamental right to choose not join the group or ask your friends not to forward your material. But to attach labels to us that we haven't attached ourselves to is at least ignorance or at worst a slander against your fellow muslims. I think it is attitudes such as this that have contributed to the religious, political, social and economic turmoil that our ummah faces today! May Allah forgive you and help you in your spiritual endeavors. I ask for your forgiveness if I was a lil harsh up there. But it saddens me to see Muslims more concerned about sufism or salafism or this group or that group when they don't even know the essense of what those groups are all about. We are a group that is calling people to Allah and Islam and not to ourselves or one grooup or another. As Allah says in the Quran, there are only two groups or parties. Hizbullah or hizbu shaitan (the party of Allah or the party of shaitan). And if you claim Islam, testify that Allah is your lord and Muhammad is his messenger then you can only belong to one group/party. Which is the party of Allah and which is what we are calling to. Everything else is insignificant. Your sister in Islam.
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 07:46 pm Kamaluddin Your name means (perfection of faith), but your last post in which you quoted me fell short of my expectation of someone who carries such a great name. Brother, Allah says in the Quraan " Those who listen what is said, and follow the best (of what they heard)" You can benefit from all muslims, no one has a monopoly of righteousness, and to assume certain group to be self righteous, in itself is an ill thinking of others not warranted and not allowed in Islam. So, Think well of others, so others may think well of you. Light a candle, do not curse darkness, and if you see a mistake, with kindness, suggest a method to corect. If you want to invite me to eat your food, do not insult my recipe. When I wrote the second pointer above, I wanted to keep a wider audience to bridg gaps, this ummah had suffered enough fragments, it is time we got up to heal the wounds, and raise the level of understanding of Islam beyound personal agendas and interest groups.
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 08:02 pm Jazak Allah Khair Brother Nur Masha Allah, Akhi reading your post put a smile on my face A nice ending to a long day is always welcomed. May Allah Increase you in wisdom. Ameen
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:07 am Page was sliding down peeps. I had to do something.
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:28 am Salaamu Aleikum All Kamaluddin Brother you have had your share of earnest responses, i wish to say something without you thinking it is self righoues, i guess i can't though. Allah knows all our intentions, all i can say to you is please accpet these words, i am sorry for any blisters on my hands. Hey all big smile out to everyone. Our reputuation good or bad is preceeding us.The "trappings" of an orgnaisation i tell ya.lol. I guess we should be more careful on how we behave. People on the whole tend to be more critical of those who struggle in the way of Allah (swt).even though we human and make mistakes.The only think we can do is learn from them and ask forgiveness. peace all wasalaaam
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:14 pm Guys I think u are all being a bit harsh on brother Kamaludin, the brother has obviously come here to seek knowlege. And u are all not doing him or yourselves any favours by being defensive and losing your patience. Subhanalah, aren't we supposed to be gentle with one another? Ok so he was interested in sufism, we all gotta start somewhere! What would we all have done if there were not people who were patient with us on our quest for knowledge? Maybe the brother was just looking for answers to the questions he had, maybe he did not need to see a 10 page fatwa by a sheikh he has never heard of pasted on as an answer to his question, maybe he just needed a knowlegable brother or sister to give a simple explanation. Maybe he just wanted to have a discussion on a certain subject so that he could get it a bit clearer in his mind. Don't we have to crawl before we can walk? Brothers and sister we should not be agressive with the Diin, rather, we should invite others to knowldge with open arms. Not turn them away by jumping to defence. Maybe we do not have the patience to discuss the validity of one party over another, but don't u think we SHOULD have the patience? I mean imagine u just turned to Islam and saw that the ummah is divided into so many parties, would U not want an explanation as why this is and where u stand? Kamaludiin Brother I hope that this does not put u off seeking knowledge and striving to please Allah. I hope u will not see Islam as mere duties and burdens but as priveledge that u have.
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 10:41 pm Thank you all for your responses. True! it was not your aim nor mine to alter the course and reason for this post heading. To nur sorry bro except the refference in the fist line, non of what i was saying was directed at you! i don't seek to find the negative in anyone. Allah forgive my reasoning and my analogy. I do respect you all for you efforts and let me clearify nothing was said to me that was invented because most of your pastes are facts or quotes from experts or ahadith. Let me just end it with sincere apology to the group and it's members. Let us just assume that my lack of undestanding frustrated me and made me feel ignorant. anything i feel to say will come across as a negative!!! Because it becomes a personal view against an islamic view i don't know i am on another frequency... Take care ppl
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| | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 12:19 am Asalamu Alaikum my dear brothers and Sisters, May Allah reward you all in abundance for everything you do in His sake! I would, Insha-Allah like to join your organization but am wondering where you meet. Could you guys tell me that? Jazak-Allah Khayr.
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| | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 04:20 am A salaamu aleikum Salma we meet on a forums similar to this one sister, its called "topica" and we do research and post topics for discussion.email me if you are interested and can do so. Or if you would feel more comfortable, ask one of the sisters to assist you sisterX jazu allahu karin for the advice Kamaldin nuff luv brotha peace yassin_9athotmail.com yassin_9@hotmail.com
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 01:49 pm Hey halaka kids Don't let the page slide to the bottom!
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 03:26 am
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 07:50 am Assalaamu Calykum brothers and sister. Am I the only person who is calling Galool KAAFIR? Correct me if I am wrong, the Galool and his lieutenants are having good time with you, while, on the other hand, smearing our faith. AS far as I know, it is prohibited to engage senseless debate with Kafirs, except when you are commanding what is good and prohibiting the Munkar. However, I am surprised to see some brothers and sisters who highly admire those who are insulting our Diin. May Allah shows them the straight path.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 10:48 am Qoonsade "I am surprised to see some brothers and sisters who highly admire those who are insulting our Diin." And who might those "brothers and sisters" be? And how have they shown this "admiration"? Galool and his "leutenants" can insult our deen all they want but they can't change the facts of life or the reality of things: Islam is a complete way of life that gives its adherents the blue print of success in this life and the next one. So there is no point in losing sleep over what they say.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 05:30 pm Right anonymous. The MadMacs, the Galools and other atheists visit these pages to be entertained. Their arguments and opinions are mediocre and worthless, so no need to sweat over these pathetic lot.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 11:11 pm You are the only one who seems to sweat here... And who are you to judge other people anyway? Leave that to Allah.... 
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 06:06 am Stardust we can use our judgement to say they are worthless Pigs, Allahu Akbar
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 06:17 am Brother Qoonsade, Jazakallahu Khairan for your Concern. I know you mean well, and Insha Allah those brothers and sisters who exchange ideas with Galool and other "Kufar" will keep in mind that. As for calling Galool kaafir, i would disagree with you. Yes, indeed he is a kaafir and doesn't believe in Allah or His Messenger, Muhammad (Salalahu Calayhi Wasalam), the description of what it means to be kaafir. That doesn't necessarily mean you should call him "kaafir" every time you address him. For this, I shall refer to you the Sunnah of the prophet (Pbuh): The prophet and the Sahaba used to call the Kufaar on their names (Abu Jahal, Abu Lahab, ibnu Muqira, etc), not "hey Kaafir" or similar adjectives. The Quran also calls them "kufaar" as a group. I would suggest that you review the Sunnah one more time, and Insha Allah, I'm sure we will come to the same understanding. Please understand me, I'm saying that you call them "kufaar" now and then, when it feels appropriate but not every time you address them. I would also like to share with you one more thing, dearest brother. We have to be fair all the time, even if the one we are dealing with is kaafir. We believe fairness fundamentally as a principal, not who we are dealing with. Thus, if fairness requires that we support a valid point or request made by Mad MAc, GAlool, or PG (the later two almost always make no valid points!), we shouldn't hesitate to support where the fairness lies. Justice must prevail no matter what the consequences are or who the receipent is. Dearest brother, read with me the following verse from Surat Al-Maa'idah: "And let not the hatred of others make you depart from justice [depart from fairness and swerve to wrong]. Be just: that is next to piety, and fear Allah--For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do" (5:8). Fairness and justice is fundamental principal for us, for they are next to the piety of Allah. So, we must be fair no matter who we are dealing with. As for your suggestion that some brothers and sisters admire these "gaalo," I can only say to you, "please hold high your brothers an sisters." I'm queit sure you know very well that your brothers and sisters adhere to the rules of Islam when dealing with these people. If they deal with these people in fairness, that does not translate into admiration. Again, I know you meant well on your concern and I hope all the brothers and sisters will consider your words. And indeed, may Allah guide us all to the straigth path of Islam. FG, Before I finish this post, I really wanted to command you on your effort to refute the falsehood of Galool and PragmaticGal. Jazakallahu Khaira Jazaa. Brother, I really wanted to tell you these feeling so many times but i guess now was the time destined for it. I command the way you use the Quranic verses within your posts when addressing these people. Sometimes when you talking to them, i feel as if the Quran was revealed that very moment--Subhanallah! LEt me not write long message and end by saying to, brother FG, Jazakallahu Khairan for your efforts. Wasalaam All.
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 08:47 am Anon, yes you can, but it's better to be a worthless pig than to talk like one ;-)
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:18 am NEW DEAL. You added to my fears today. Wamaa lii xiilah illaa rajaa'ii bicafwillaah in cafaanii waxusnu thannii. Saaxiib, ii ducee in ilaahey iga dhigo sida aad i mooddey. Kitaabka quraanka tarjumadiisa yaan heystaa oo soomaali iyo af ingiriisi, online versionkana waan isticmaalaa oo si fudud loo access gareyn garo haddaad taqaan waxaad raadineyso ee ma xafidsani quraanka dhammaan. Qofkii aqriya xusuusna leh wuu heli karaa si fudud aayadduu rabo. Baarakallaahhu fiika yaa akhii. Ilaahey ha innaga wada dhigo kuwo diintiisa ku dhaqma iyagoo ahlu towxiid ahna dhinta, shuhadaa, muqbiliin geyra mudbiriin inshallah.
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:25 am stardust. You sound familiar. Don't let your emmotions lead your judgements here. No one did anything personally to you I presume. Unless of course people(anti atheists) rubbed you the wrong by denying what you value most may be?. Are you an atheist?. A new one or as I suspected an old foe disguised under stardust?. I guess I have to change my username to get new energy into my spirits so I can tame you a bit lol. Well, sorry if I added to your anger. A little pulling of the leg won't bother you I hope.
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:54 am fg, please-please, don't reveal ALL my secrets.... But you're not into pig stuff anyway, so don't get dirt on your hands here. I'm just kicking an old friend....heehhe! Let's just say; you know him so well....
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 01:32 pm Qoonsade I see you are still big on judging people and calling them names. What is your definition of a Kaafir? Who gave you the authority to label people? All Where is ANON? Did FG issue a Fatwa silencing his number two forever? I'm being chewed up by the young riff-raff like Qoonsade et al while the big gun is nowhere to be seen. Weird! ND That is harsh. I think both myself and PG raise valid and interesting points in our postings. Maybe too valid and interesting for your taste. Belitlling your intellectual foes is not very gentlemanly.
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 05:24 pm Assalaamu calaykum walaalayaal. Aan hadalkayga ku bilaabo xaddiis saxiix: Can cirbaal Bin yasaar qaala: Qaala Rasuululaahi Sallalaahu Calayhi Wasalam, " Wa ayamallaahi laqad taraktukum calaa mithla baydaa layluhaa ka nahaaruhaa siwaa...". ( imaam Axmed, IBnu Maajah, Daraami, Ibnu Caasim iyo culuma kale. ALbaani waa saxiixiyey) Xadiiska waxaa uu macnahiisu yahay: Nebigu(scw) wuxuu yidhi, " Ilaah baan ku dhaartaye waxaa idiinka tegay Xujo cad oo habeenkeeda iyo maalinteeda isku si u cad yahay oo aan mugdi ku jirin. mana ka habaabo qof halaagsamay mooyee. walaalayaal, waxa yaalo badan ayaa culumada islaamku isku raaceen in qofkii la yimaadda uu yahay gaal dilkiisu banaan yahay. Haddaan qaarka mid ah ka soo qaato waaxaa ka mid ah: Qofka ilaahay diida, Maalinta Qiyaame,Nebiyada, Rususha, Malaa'ikta, Quraanka, Sunnaha. Qofka inta aan kor ku xusnay caaya ama ku jeesjeesa. Qofka beeniya cilmiga daruuriga ah sida cibaadaadka oo dhan. Ama cadadkooda wax ka dhima. Qofka Nebiga ku been abuurta. Qofka diida in uu tukado ama soomo oo si ula kac ah u diida ka dib marka loo sheegay. Waxaa kale oo jira umuuro fara badan oo haddii qofku la yimaado lagu sheegi karo gaalnimo. Hadaba waxaa is weydiin mudan waxaa loo difaacayo Galool iyo kuwo la mid ah oo aan gaalnimadoodu aan mugdi ku jirin. Haddii aan dib u jaleecno xukunka qofka diinta ka baxa ama layimaadda gaalnimo,waxaa weeye in saddex casho loo qabto oo marwalba loo sheego in uu diinta ku soo noqdo. marka saddexda casho ay dhamaato isaga oo aan diinta ku soo noqon in haweenta laga furo dabadeedna la dilo iyada oo aan janaaso lagu tukan laguna aaso qabuuraha gaalada. Nebiguna (csw)wuxuu yidhi, " man badala diinahu faqtuluuhu". OO macnihiisu yahay qofka bedela diintiisa dila". Bukhaari AYAADO IYO AXAADIIS BADAN AYAA CADDAYNAYSA IYO IJMAACA CULUMADA ISLAAMKA. HADDII ALLE II SAAMAXO WAXAAN SOO GUDBINAYAA MEESHA AAN DALIILKAYGA KA KEENAY. QOF DIINTA, ISLAAMKA IYO MUSLINIMA KU XADGUBAYA LALAMA HADLI KARO LAMANA MUNAAQASHOONKARO. XATAA MEEL MUNKAR LAGU HAYO QOF MA DHEGAYSAN KARO HADDII UUSAN WAXBA KA QABAN KARIN WAA KA TEGAYAA. WAXAA WAX LALA YAABO AH IN QOF KU TALIYO GALOOL IN UUSAN GAAL AHAYN. QOFKII SHAKI KA QABA GALOOL IN UU MULXID AAN DIIN LAHAYN YAHAY HA TIXRAACO QORAALADIISA. ISLAAMKU XAQ IYO BAADIL WUU CADDEEYEY, MEEL U DHAXAYSA OO LA ISTAAGO MALAHA. HADDII DIINTU INA FARTAY IN AAN CADDAALAD SAMAYNO, CADDAALADDU WAA MARKA AAN U GARNAQAYNO DAADKA GAALADA IYO MUSLIMKA, MARKA LA DULMIYO NAFTOODA, MAALKOODA, EHELKOODA IYO MUCAAMALADA XAG GANACSI, XAG MAAMUL IYO XAG BULSHO. MA AHA MARKA UU SI FAAXISHO LEH UGU XADGUDBO SHAREECADA. WALAALAYAAL DIINTU RA'YI MAHA EE WAA XUKUN ALLE DEJIYEY OO LA RAACAYO. HADDAAD IDINKA TAHAY IN GALOOL IYO XULAFADIISA AAD KA DHIGATAAN IN AY YIHIIN DAD AAN WAX BA DIINTA U DHIMIN WAXAAD OGAATAAN IN AY CADDAYNAYSO HALKA IIMAANKEENNU GAADHSIISAN YAHAY. ILAAHOW HANUUN NA SII.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 06:21 am New Deal i love you for the sake of Allah
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 01:29 pm Common You are also loved for the sake of Allah!(by the way i'm not ND). Where have you dispeared to lately? We miss you, you "English geek" LOL. Please come back to the boards. There! I raised the page to the top of the forums!
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 04:25 pm Common, Akh, wa inani axibuka filaahi ladii taxubuni fiih [I also love you for the sake of Allah whom you love me]. And I also love all my fellow brothers and sisters for the Sake of Allah.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 09:33 pm Asalamu Alaykum Just wanted to let you’ll know brother common went to visit family and friends and is away from the computer as a result……Insha Allah he is fine otherwise. New Deal; As always…yours is a voice of justice and rationality. Like brother common, I also Love you for the sake of Allah While we are Topic of Love……I never did express this sentiment for brother FG, I love you for the sake of Allah dear brother….. Whenever I read your posts I think to myself, how is it that some Muslims came out of this ordeal, of living in a kafir land and withstand being affected or contaminated? In nature there is the lotus flower perhaps the prettiest flower on earth, and it grows in the gutters and swamps unaffected or like Prophet Musa who grow up in the Household of pharaoh and he is one of the greatest Prophets! May Allah keep us on the right path!
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 10:38 pm JB&ND You guys can pray for me instead. I need your prayers to be forgiven and die as a muslim. That is my worries. Who knows how and in what state one will die in?. "31.34 Nor does anyone know what it is that he will earn on the morrow, Nor does anyone know in what land he is to die, Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquinted(with all things)". And I am really affected in these countries. That is for sure. Just remember me in your prayers whenever you can inshallah. I love you for the sake of Allah too the same way I love every sincere muslim who with his/her imperfection strives hard to live a life of a muslim.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 10:30 am What a wonderful antidote it is to see brothers expressing their love for the sake of Allah! It is refreshing to see this, considering the hatred that is spewed all over this forums.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 11:19 am Xali sis you r right. This is the only place I get...some peace and LOve when I read compare to the rest of NETspace....so my Brothers/sisters I love u too the Sake of Allah.. U guys change my Views of our Community,I was about to sign off but now I see the Fresh smell from my Community. One Luv all peace
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 03:59 am Anony May he whom you have loved me for love you
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 09:35 am To: fg Sxb haven't you heard that when someone dies all that goes with him are his deeds and prayers from his children not prayers from virtual friends ha.
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 09:37 am Shame on you halaka kids for letting the folder sink to the bottom of the forums!
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 10:52 am Anonymous. Thanks for the reminder. Yes I heard. What I meant to convey is my need of their prayers anytime they think of me. And to include in their prayer for me those two important things for me. I admit it looks quite misleading isn't it?. But that is what I meant. Do I know you?. The "ha" thing almost pulled the rag beneath me.
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| | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 02:23 am Halaka Kids Just thought to visit your folder and say hello! I see you are in a lovey-dovey flower-power like mood at the moment. I think that is nice (if a little bit treacly) Good luck and keep the love thermometer up,it is the best antidote to hatred.
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| | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 09:17 am Assalam Alaikum, Today, I was thinking not visiting this somalinet anymore. However, the brothers and sisters on this site is the reason that I am still visiting. Brothers and sisters keep loving each other for the sake of Allah. I wish those other brothers and sisters who are doing nothing but insulting each would be more like you.
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| | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 04:30 pm Asalaamu alaikum network crew, I pray that you are all in good health and great eemaan. For those of you writing your finals, may Allah make it easy for you. For those that are on holidays, may Allah make it safe and beneficial for you. For those of your that are not writing finals or not on vacation, well, I also got nothing but love for ya. May Allah make easy for you whatever your endeavors are. I love you all for the sake of Allah. Your sister in Islam.
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