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     | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 05:00 am Volume 7, Book 62, Number 110: Narrated Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I bought a cushion having on it pictures (of animals). When Allah's Apostle saw it, he stood at the door and did not enter. I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I repent to Allah and His Apostle. What sin have I committed?' Allah's Apostle said. "What is this cushion?" I said, "I have bought it for you so that you may sit on it and recline on it." Allah's Apostle said, "The makers of these pictures will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, 'Give life to what you have created (i.e., these pictures).' " The Prophet added, "The Angels of (Mercy) do not enter a house in which there are pictures (of animals)." DO YOU HAVE TLC ON YOUR WALL??? WOULD YOU AGREE THAT TV IS AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN HAVING A PICTUR ON YOUR WALL?
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 07:28 am Assalaamu alaikum Anonymous, I'd like to refer you to a book entitled "Tasweer". It is an excellent book! I can't remember the author and I don't have it with me right now. However, insha-Allah, when I find it, I'll post it for you and anybody else that is interested in reading it. In regards to your question, yes, I do think it is worse than a picture on the wall. Actually, some scholars have even stated that watching televison is haraam -wallahu alam. It is important to note, however, that there are differences of opinion amongst the scholars in regards to this. Nevertheless, even when you exclude the pictures, there is also the music, and let us not forget the content! wa salaam alaikum
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 08:14 am Asalaamu Caleykum Jazaakumulaah, Ilaahey ha idinka abaal mariyo macruufka aad wadaan waana wax loo baahan yahay in ummada kheyrka la tuso xumaantana laga reebo. TV-ga waa sidaad u sheegteeen wuu ka daran yahay sawirkaga darbiga ku dhagan culumada meel fog ayey gaarsiiyeen yadoo laga yaabo xukunkiisa inay ku kala duwan yihiin ayey hadana sheegeen dhibkiisa inuu ka badan yahay kheyrkiisa taas ayaana meeshaa gaarsiisay. Sawirada iyo Music-ga labadaba dood kama taagnaa inay xaaraam yihiin quraanka iyo sunnada ayaa lagu tilmaamay. Sawirada hadal kama taagna oo waxaa la sheegaa in ay jiraan afar qolo oo ugu cadaab daran qiyaamaha (Ashaadu Cabaadan) waxaa la tilmaamaa inay kuwas sawirda qaada ku jiraan, Fircown iyo inta raacday ayaa ugu horeeya, kuwii beeniyay xeeradii Ilaahey ku soo dajiyay nabi ciise ka dib markii ay codsadeen ayaa ku xiga, waxaa ku xiga, munaafaqiinta, waxaana ugu dambeeya musawiriinta xadiis ayaana sheegay arrintaan. Dadka flims-ka suubiya iyo sawirada ha ku baarugeen hana iska ilaaliyeen.
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:40 am I bet all of You Have TV at HOME?
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 11:53 am Yes I do
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 12:00 pm Assalaamu alaikum Since a 'Promise is a Promise', here is the book I was talking about: Title: The Islamic Ruling Concerning Tasweer Collection, Arrangement and Translation by: Abu Muhammad Abdur-Ra'uf Shakir Price: I got it for $20.00 Alright, Peace! P.S. Yaab... believe me, not everybody has a t.v. @ home (& it aint because they can't afford it). Even many NON-Muslims have 'trashed' their t.v because of it's content.
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:54 pm What if you watch watch Qur'anic recitation on TV (videotyped), or listen to your favourite Muslim scholar talk about fiqh, or just watch the news? Don't you guys think condemning TV becuase of the "music" or "pictures" is a little dumb? It's just a medium, as they say, you can choose what to watch with it!
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 02:32 pm Pragmatigal, I would assume there would be nothing wrong with having TV at home if u use it to further your islamic knowlege and not watch the filth that is available on it. But some muslims do not want to take the risk of having their children infulenced by television, and hey there was no TV at the time of the Rasuul (saw) but the ashaaba still had great Iman and knowlege! We do not need TV to read Quraan and that is where True knowlege starts.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:29 am I have not had a TV since September last year and i don't miss it. It was one of the best decisions i have ever made. Sometimes we are weak and having a tv there only adds to any mistakes we will make since sheytan has greatest enfluence on us at times of weakness. You could say the same thing about the computer, but i think you do have greater control on what you view on the internet. TV has the greatest enfluence on the behaviour of our young ones. I suppose most parents rather have their kids sit and watch satan then let them go out and get hurt or make bad friends. Since you can't control what they show, i don't see why anyone would allow it in thier home. Spend the time teaching your young ones the quran and your mother tongue. Just ask yourself how much time people spend infront of the Tv!
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 04:28 am Are you guys nuts? How am I suppose to watch all the big fights (you know, guys like Naseem Hamed, Mustafa Hamsho - OK he's retired, Iron Mike Tyzon, Felix Trinidad and my personal favorite, Johnny Tapia) if I don't have a TV??? I can't afford to fly all over the world and buy tickets to all the big bouts!!!! Now, since there was no boxing in the Prophets time I can see how he might not have mentioned it. But I'm sure that if he were alive today he would approve to television, esspecially HBO, ESPN and Showtime, so that we could watch the fights. Is this where they stupid idea that we can't take photographs when we're on vacation comes from??? When I was in Saudi the Gestapo, I mean the Mutawa, wouldn't let us take pictures, esspecially of their women (you know, wearing all that revealing clothing). They would freak out. There's something wrong with those guys.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 05:43 am Is bin Laden a terrorist mastermind -- or a fall guy? "Our target was terror. Our mission was clear." To the litany of terrorist acts that US laid at the feet of renegade Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden in justification of his cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan and the Sudan last week, the administration has now alleged a murky plot to assassinate the president as well. The alleged plot against Clinton was to have taken place when he was to have visited Pakistan. The anonymous intelligence sources that have made such an industry in bin Laden revelations this week acknowledge that the plot never went beyond the coffee-shop talking stage. But the charge helped to reinforce the president's claims that bin Laden is "perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today," and that there was "compelling" -- if unrevealable -- evidence that a network of terrorist groups he controlled was planning "further attacks against Americans and other freedom-loving groups." At a time when presidential veracity is at an all-time low, one might have wished that the president and his national security advisors had laid out in detail just what was the "compelling evidence" that led the United States to launch some 75 missiles at two sovereign nations. As it is, the public, both here in the United States and in the more critical world at large, is being asked to take a giant Kierkegaardian leap of faith in the president's claims. Given Clinton's recent track record in the "trust me" department, this is a lot to demand. For while there is little doubt that bin Laden is a sworn enemy of the United States with the financial means to put some teeth in that enmity, his exact role in anti-American terrorism is unclear. The administration's claims are based more on conjecture -- mostly bin Laden's own braggadocio and the bad company he apparently keeps -- than hard and convincing evidence. Clinton and his security staff have now blamed bin Laden for being behind almost every terrorist act in the past decade -- from plotting the assassinations of the pope and the president of Egypt to the planned bombing of six U.S. jumbo jets over the Pacific, with massacres of German tourists at Luxor and the killings of U.S. troops in Somalia, fatal car bombings of U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia and this month's truck bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam thrown in. Not since the '70s heyday of the terrorist Carlos has there been such a Prince of Darkness, if the allegations are to be believed. But so far, for all of the accusations, no government, not even that of the United States, has established enough credible evidence against bin Laden to conclusively prove his direct participation in, much less leadership of, any of the ugly plots and acts he stands accused of. To date no formal request for his extradition has ever been made, either to the Sudanese government that once housed him or to his current hosts, Afghanistan's Taliban leaders. Though it was suddenly leaked this week that a federal grand jury's continuing investigation into the World Trade Center bombing in New York City in 1993 had belatedly handed up a sealed indictment against bin Laden in June, the indictment is understood to be only for "sedition," that is, incitement to violence, not the violence itself. That is the same charge under which the Unites States previously convicted Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the Trade Center bomber's spiritual leader. The only link between bin Laden and the World Trade Center bombing seems to be the fact that the mastermind of the bombing, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was eventually detained by U.S. agents while living in a guest house in Pakistan reportedly rented by bin Laden. The Saudi was also implicated in a failed 1994 plan to blow up American jumbo jets over the Pacific because the plot mastermind, Wali Khan Amin Shah, reportedly was a "close friend" of bin Laden's. If bin Laden's fingerprints were to be found on any terrorist acts of the last decade, they should have been on the two attacks against U.S. military personnel carried out in the years when he was still living in his Saudi Arabian homeland. Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi engineering graduate who became a radical Muslim after joining the war against Russia's occupation of Afghanistan in 1979, became virulently anti-American after U.S. troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Gulf War. To him the American presence in Saudi Arabia, home of the holy Islamic sites Mecca and Medina, is a sacrilege he has vowed to reverse, along with toppling the "corrupt" Saudi royal family that has allowed it. Thus, when a car bomb exploded at a Saudi National Guard office in Riyadh in 1995, killing five Americans, and another blew up at the Khobar Towers Barracks in Dhahran a year later, killing another 19, bin Laden seemed the most likely suspect. But neither the FBI, the CIA nor the Saudi intelligence services has ever been able to establish bin Laden's links to those crimes after years of trying. What evidence that has emerged from those ongoing investigations points the finger at dissident Saudi Shiites, perhaps with the logistic support of the Lebanese Hezbollah organization, or even Iran. Though much has been made of the fact that from his safe-houses in Afghanistan bin Laden has forged a loose alliance with perhaps a dozen different Islamic groups in the Muslim world from Algeria to Bangladesh, he seems to be more of a spiritual leader and financier than the sort of terrorist mastermind being alleged. "Bin Laden is a true believer and a funder of Islamic causes, rather than a planner and active participant," says Professor Shibley Telhani, a Middle East scholar from the University of Maryland who has followed his career. "His real influence is not as a mastermind of terrorism but as a person who is using a personal fortune to encourage others to wage war against the American interests in the Middle East he finds so objectionable." Indeed the sealed federal indictment just handed up, it would appear, is not based on any evidence directly linking him to either of those plots or others. Instead, it seems to have been motivated by a public call to arms against Americans that bin Laden published in the London Arabic newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi last February. Issued as an Islamic Fatwa, or holy order, even though bin Laden has no religious authority whatsoever, the broadside by bin Laden and other signers from various Islamic groups called for Muslims to "kill Americans and their allies, civilians and military" wherever they find them. These are strong words indeed. But they are words, not deeds. And though it is all too likely that those words have inspired others to such actions as the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam last month, bin Laden himself is unlikely to have personally ordered those bombings or carried them out. Unless the Clinton administration can come up with some hard evidence that bin Laden is in fact calling the shots of a vast new anti-American terrorist network, all the present allegations and faceless intelligence-source leaks claiming facts too secret and explosive to be revealed should be taken with a grain of salt. Bin Laden may be a dangerous anti-American zealot with a mouth as big as his bankroll. But the evidence so far does not support him being a cerebral Islamic Dr. No moving an army of terrorist troops on a vast world chessboard to checkmate the United States.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:27 am salamu aleykum its amazing even kuffar knows that Tv is bad... there is many sites that shows the bad effect of tv: here one of them: if you want a more type Ani-tv This link, http://othello.localaccess.com/hardebeck/ go to this link its scary facts about Tv: http://othello.localaccess.com/hardebeck/ =============================================
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:50 am But what about the fights?? I mean, if there's not TV how can I watch the fights?
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:55 am What about prostitution houses? HBO Sex in the city, Whoes and Johns....trick and treats.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 12:17 pm Mad Mac you might actually be Princes nasime yourself if you had no TV hence spent some time going gym and working out. Tv leads to a loss of many billions of £/$ due to heart diseases and weight related illnesses which the government then has to pay for thier cure. I suppose they prefer to have everyone indoors and pre-occupied with nonsense rather then being outdoors and causing mischief to the system. Cost of healt treatment which comes out of the wages of those who are working is not a problem to them, challanges from idol folk with a Pc who would express their discontent with the system would be more of a problem. You would not believe the amount you could achieve in the time you spend infront of a Tv! To Allah belongs this planet and everything within it so go and take part and enjoy all that you can so long as it does not stop your islamic duties or cause you harm. Be alive and get a life in the process find a wife or a hus.  don't forget to smile a while aigh pepz.. much love
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 11:09 pm Sensitive That apply to some folks saxib, but not to moi. I boxed for 10 years. I am hardly a couch patato. Sure I like a good flick once in a while, and I enjoy watching CNN at work once or twice a day, but I don't just sit around and watch the tube. I still run and work out. Which brings me back to my original point. I'm sure if there were boxing in the Prophets times he would approve of TV, knowing that's the only way we could all enjoy the big fights. And why would I want to go outside and cause mischief with "the system." That's what you Somalis did and see what it got you? You remind me of a quote from P.J. O'Rourke in "All the Trouble in the World." He says "we went to the old Parliament building. This had been subjected to something more like an eviceration than a looting. The very marble of the floors had been torn out. Desks were ripped from their moorings. Human excrement covered the floor. The wires had been pulled from the walls with such vehemence that they left vertical trenches in the walls. Somalias seat of government was wholly, soundly trashed. How many people, in how many countries have wanted to do this? Somalis gave in to the temptation." "As we went into Villa Somalia paper was strewn everywhere. In the courtyard, down the stairwells. Paper was flowing out of the filing cabinets and all over the rooms. It's amazing how much paper is actually used to make a government run. And I suspect the Somali government was never much more than that. Paper, and of course guns. The guns are still in working order."
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 10:13 am By breaking their TV sets in public the Muslims are targeting the medium while the culprit is the polluting message THE mass frenzy against the influence of Television is gradually spreading amongst the Muslim community. It started with individual family shunning the idiot box. The first incident of entire housing society making bonfire of TV sets. The said colony who also smashed his TV two years ago said, “I agree that the TV is an important medium of information. But the stuff dished out by it today is having an adverse impact on impressionable minds of our young generation”, he added, “Moreover our culture, ethos and the religious identity is at stake with soaps and serials promoting adultery, selfishness and other vices. Hundreds of TV sets were similarly smashed a couple of months ago. Their contention was that TV was spreading evil. Those who were amongst the first to discard the TV argues that, like alcohol which has a few advantages and many side effects, TV, as of today, offers only few advantages but promotes slew of vices in the society. Reports of TV sets being destroyed have also come were destroyed in a similar fashion. TV smashing frenzy has spread to many Muslims homes where youths brought the TV sets on the road and destroyed them in full public view last month. 22 Muslims brought out their TV sets and destroyed them at one go just a few days back. The violence depicted on TV is having an adverse impact on our children. “I was shocked by the violent reactions of my two sons when they play games like cricket or carrom”, he said. “My youngest son is addicted to Television. I can feel the violent tendencies in his nature, which is correlated with the violence shown on the TV.” They use the Quranic similes with regard to liquor for their TV bashing saying it may have certain benefits but its harmful effects outweigh their benefits The ongoing debate on media violence scaled new highs in the US last month when several film studios like MGM and Warner Bros reportedly used the Super Bowl, a widely watched family sports event on TV, aggressively to market campaigns for some of their violence-laden new releases. Psychiatrists say that exposure to media violence can, at best, be one of the critical factors contributing to youth aggression. Notes Harish Shetty, president of the Bombay Psychiatric Society, “Apart from media, the child is influenced by his environment and immediate social atmosphere. These factors together contribute to the aggressive behaviour that kids may exhibit later during their youth.’’ Shetty suggests that the damage caused due to media violence can actually be negated. “Today’s kids are subject to a process of alienation whereby they get desensitised to violence. If they can be made to connect with their immediate environment, they will grow up with less aggression. “Moreover,’’ he adds, “Close parental monitoring of the children’s media consumption can also act as a preventive measure.’’ “Islam forbids watching TV, hence I have no TV in my house, neither I allow my childrens to watch them at the neighbour’s house. “The growing trend of using TV to experience the joy and sorrow of family relationships points to a vacuum in our lives created by the lack of emotional connectivity,” she observed. In olden days we used to interact a lot as a family. But today instead of discussing each other’s problems, views and interests, we watch TV. Even discussion, if any is related to the fictional characters of the various soaps.” A social psychiatrist, puts it plainly.”There’s no hiding the attraction TV holds and the decline of interpersonal relations within families as a result of that. In fact, people have taken to the idea of nuclear families or living by themselves.” Dr. Harish Shetty opines that it’s a consequent hazard of the present fast paced era. Lesser interpersonal communication and even lesser intimacy pushes them to search other channels to experience basal emotions like love, hate, power and heartbreak.”
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 07:56 am Anonymous But what about the fights!!!! The fights!!!! I want to watch the fights!!! I need TV for that!!!
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 12:06 pm THE mass frenzy against the influence of Television is gradually spreading amongst the Muslim community. It started with individual family shunning the idiot box.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 01:45 pm Salaam, TV is definitely not a good thing. It is better to do other activities such as playing sports or reading. It is amazing how much you can spent on changing channels and how little time we devote in studying Qu'aan or interacting with friends and family. I agree with Kamalidin, we should devote in teaching our children both the Qu’aan and their language. I have not given up TV yet, but it is on my list of what to do in the future, insha’allah
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 01:54 am Jamal Balance saxib. Balance in life is important. When all you do is eat, work, sleep and watch TV, then you are right, it's time to evaluate your priorities. But if we watch a little news once a day and maybe use it for aperiodic entertainment, I think that's reasonable. And since I need TV to watch the fights, there's not way I'm getting rid of my TV.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 10:33 am asalam-alaiykum to all the brothers and sisters mad mac why do you always comment under each post, and always mention the fights????? what are trying to prove. and the news you can read the papers or listen to the radio?????? living without tv is great. when i was young i used to watch tv like there's no tommorow. but i know i don't even realise that there is a tv in the house. if it wasn't for members of my family i would throw it away. there is so much that a person can do with there time instead of wasting it watching tv. wasalam alaiykum
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 09:38 pm Ifrah Well, I agree that reading the paper is a great source of information. And I too read it daily (although frankly that left wing rag, USA today, can be hard to stomach and it's the only daily here in English - German newspapers suck). But just because I read the paper doesn't mean I don't watch CNN. It's good for getting up to the minute news. Also I enjoy a good movie once in a while so I watch videos at home. I'm not a fanatic, but I like to watch 'em. But for me the kicker is the fights. I need TV to watch the fights. I used to box and I am a serious boxing fan. So the TV has to stay, and I'm sure the prophet, if he were here today, would be a Nassem Hamed fan and have a TV to watch the fights too.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 01:42 am To mad mac are you a somali? i want to know please.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 01:59 am salaam'''''''''''''' i have TV at home. But is not my chose i am only 18 and is not up to me,is up to my family as i have sisters and brothers. i really don't like waching it but somethimes the devil beates me and i waches it. so if any of you have davice to how to stop it, i would like hear it. and if any of you stoped waching i wouldn't maid hear how you did it. salaam.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 03:29 am If you have a cancer! pray!allah[swt] loves those that turn to him in their hour of need and ask for the strength to stay away from it! The best solution is to remove it from the home, but if you live a democratic or a liberal family then get yourself lot of hadith tapes and quran tapes. I bought 9 tapes on friday, that should keep be me occupaid for a while. If you have the internet at home i could give links to many treasures just let me know.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 05:42 am Madmac if you want a fight so badly go outside instead of being couped up infront of the T.v. all day. I watch T.V. but i'm not obsessed with it.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 05:47 am Madmac if you want a fight so badly go outside instead of being couped up infront of the T.v. all day. I watch T.V. but i'm not obsessed with it.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 04:45 pm To Mad Mac, Saxiib, I am very busy with schoolwork. So, I do not spend all day watching TV. It is the fact that I do not even like the few hours that spent watching it. I would rather spent those hours doing something that will benefit me either this world or here after. You know, if you like the fights so much, why do not you spend few dollars to see it live. Wouldn’t that be even more entertaining? Don't be a cheap man. To Far If TV is effecting your schoolwork, then I would advice you to study either your nearest public library or your school. Like you, I cannot get rid of the TV, because I have siblings who like watching it.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 11:20 pm New Myah. MysticK. A democratic family??? What is that?? You mean one that considers the opinions of everyone in the family when making decisions? I would call that a harmonious family. What would you prefer, a facist family, where the Iron Fisted father decides everything?? What if your facist father were a "liberal Muslim" who decided that you had to watch Bay Watch every night??? See my point? Careful what you ask for or you might get it. Faiza How am I going to watch Johnny Tapia by going outside? He fights in Vegas and New Mexico, I live in Germany. Be real. I'm not a jet-setter. I can't fly to every big fight out there. They call me MAD MAC, not Mr. Moneybags. Jamal For sure catching a fight live is a lot of fun. BUT, and this is a big but, live tickets to a Tyzon fight cost 1,000 bucks or more. Plus there's the plane fare, the hotel costs, etc. It's just not realistic. I do go to some local fights. Some of the guys I used to fight with are still active boxers. BUT I can't afford to make a pilgramage to every world title fight I want to see. So the TV is indispensable. I'm sure the Prophet would understand.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 12:21 am M&M You sure have an opinion about everything! most of your responses are very impulsive in nature and don't seem to have much depth. All i can figure about you is that you want to express something but all your slogans seem to lack the punchline. Freedom of speech rules the net so keep expressing yourself. You have a point while muslims are fighting eachother the rest of the world has moved on and left them behind. Look if you are paying a TV licence you should have a right to say "you don't want to see xxx on your box". I say dumb this window to the contents of hell!!!
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 01:45 am TO Mystick and Jamilo thank you for you advice.may allah bless you. mystick i have lots of hadith tapes and q'uran tapes but is matter of lisening to it. and i would't mained that internet links. and mystick if you stoped watching t.v. how did you do it. and good on you that mad mac needed telling and you did the job, people like mad mac are the people that give muslims bad name.because we all know that watching moves are harm but he is saying that there is nother worng with it but we all know that t.v damegers the heart.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 01:49 am to mad mac so where are you from. i thank you said no, you are not from somail, i can't read somail thats why i think you say no.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 04:29 am New Well, I grew up in Boston, Massachusets. I went to college at 18 and joined the Army at 22. I've lived all over ever since. Why do you ask?
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 08:17 am http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/ I think you could learn a lot from that site and i also have links to .Dawood .Muslim And others, let me know if you prefer the others cause most people like Bukhari... Mad Mac check it out please you will learn a lot there trust me!
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 12:24 am salaam to mystick thank you brother may allah bless you and all muslims. i will check it out, thank again, but u haven't say how stopped watching tv. and i would like the others links to.
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 01:46 am Wa alaykuma salaam far Dawood http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/ Muslim http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/ Muwatta http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/ It is not easy to just drop it the habit in one moment. I moved to a new town last year and i never bottered to get a Tv. Instead i got involved with many activities in my new community, there are a lot of activities you could take part in some free some cost a little bit of money but you will benefit from it in the long run. Most practicing muslims i know work 9-5 and take part in some sort of sport in the evenings, in between work and sports you pray,cook,clean and talk to friends and surf the net. There is little time left over to watch Tv[TELLaVISSION] how much of someone else's vissions can you listen to??? The news they show only makes people sad. For it mostly shows Negative Events Worldly Services[NEWS]
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 04:40 am mad mac it seems to me that you have very little knowelege about your religion. and wanted to know where you got all thses rubbish from, it seems that you want to live life to your own way and thats not how islam is.
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 04:50 am salaam to mad mac why do i ask? just wanted to know. bro if u are muslim you have to LIVE life to the way of allah and put all your whish behind and put God first, that's what islam is all about, puting God first. i hope u don't take this a bad way bro, is good to give advice to each other. your sister in islam say's salaam.
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 05:38 am to new mad mac is not muslim he is a kaffir just thought to let you know, obviously you are and don't know madmac.
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 06:01 am to nonoymous what are u saying that mad mac kaffir? and what to u mean by ''obviously you are and don't know madmac.? what to u mean by OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE?
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 07:25 am To...New OK let me clarify something for you since you said you are "New".. Mad mac is white man from state and he is Kufar But one thing Mad mac is cool guy seen.. I give him credit for dat....Imagine if you are not from somalia and you are dealing somalians must be hard isn't it? This guy will takes any shyt.... I hope dat elaborate you Question..... Idios
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 10:30 am Mystic K. I will check out these sites this weekend. You have my word. New Anonymous, alias Sambo, is correct, I am white and one of those damn kufaars that seem to be everywhere these days. I mean, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a lousy kufaar. Actually my religious beliefs are somewhat complex to the uninitiated. Hang around here and you'll get the idea - BUT I AM NOT PROSTELYTIZING. You're a Muslima and I am content that you stay that way. You sound sweet Abai so don't let these guys wear you down - it can be a rough crowd sometimes. Salam. Ham Please explain why you think I have very little knowledge about my religion? Do you understand the tenets of my faith? I mean, since it's not caste in stone, I guess you could say everyone has very little knowledge about my faith. Sambo (anonymous until otherwise declared) Dude, you know what it is, I'm a lot like you folks. I love Somalis. I love talking to them, being with them, eating with them, fighting with them. I just like Somalis and Somalia. I know it sounds nuts - that's why folks call me MAD MAC.
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| | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 04:06 am to mad mac, salaam i may be that i am slow in getting what u are saying, but are u saying that u are kaffir, if i am wrong please forgive me. because if u are muslim and the others are saying that u are kaffir then they are sining, because its haram to call someone kaffir, when they say that they are muslim, salaam.
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| | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 04:18 am salaam alaiykum to mystict thank you bro, for the links there are very good, and the advice. to mad mac. oops i was wrong i thougth that you where muslim and that's why i said that you have very little knowlege about are religion, so what are you doing in this sit if you are not muslim.
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| | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 01:05 pm You guys only replaced the tv for the NET!!! Their is nothing wrong about watching tv or listen to music it is just the content,and it also not supposed to hold you up from your duties, pray,work,school etc. I saw that on the tv A man who has studied the religion(forgot the name for it)explained so,He was on a muslim network. And was answer question from youth who live here in the west. Now i am getting mixed messages!
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| | Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 04:31 am All Interesting debate! There are a lot of people, Muslims and non-muslims who think this pale, blind little screen has corrupting influence on people in general and on children in particular. I am not sure where I stand on this, although I am leaning to agree with Alan Coren, an English Writer who said that "television is more interesting than people, otherwise we will have people standing in the corners of our rooms!" I do have one very simple solution for anyone who truly wants to escape the corrupting influences of the decadent Western culture : go to Afghanistan!. No TVs, Videos, Films, Adverts, newspapers,(except Islamic ones) Cinema houses, bare-flesh! nothing. a Purist's paradise. If however, you are trying to have your cake and eat it, I 'm afraid it won't work. You ban TV from your home, but your kids will see posters, adverts, magazines, school friends who saw TV last night, computers etc. It just won't work beardos! The world is not a very kind place to hypocrites who want to munch on their hamburgers with their eyes shut! Have a nice day! (is that how they say it in USA?)
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| | Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 04:09 pm Asalamu caleykum wa raxmatullahi wa barakaatu! TV eh? To the muslims here on this site, I would like to say that anything distracting you from your diin is best abandoned.Previously, I used to try to argue and rationalize reasons why listening to music and TV couldn't be considered damaging.I said they were harmless so long as you didn't take the content to heart or start resembling them in any way...the kufaars I mean. When we're busy bumping to Jay-Z's rap or singing along with Janet Jackson...aren't we imitating them? The truth is they are damaging to one's soul.I mean we all know that deep,deep,deep down inside...don't we? Instead of watching TV,or listening to music so frequently that the lyrics of innumerable songs are the tip of your fingers...wouldn't it be wiser to engage yourselves in more rewarding activities?...reading the Qur'an and its divine translation for example,perhaps even commiting some of it to memory,going to the mosque to pray Jamacah or telling a youngster about the stories of the Prophets(peace be upon them)...where's the loss in that?...going to Paradise can't be such a bad thing now can it? I think not! Until about two weeks ago I used to watch TV...almost every evening after work I would stay glued to the TV,watching show after show...and when I tried to do something more productive...satan would stay true to his promise to Allah to take with him as much of mankind to hell as he possibly could.So there I was again...trying to relax in front of my TV set...or atleast that's what I told myself...and I had all the encouragement in the world from satan.What a waste! Alxamdullilah now I am free and have all this time to myself...so I actually read the Qur'an,I sit down and reflect on it and henceforth. For all those of you still struggling to block that box the "tele" out of your lives...just remember...mind over matter.All it takes is willpower...insha Allah,the All-Mighty will take care of the rest.As for those of you who do not have the choice to simply dump your TV in the nearest dumpster because of family members... distance yourself by occupying your time with other things in such a way that you have no time left over to spend with that box!Take good care of yourselves.May Allah comfort and be with you always. Peace,love and good will to you all! Lady Jane. Asalamu caleykum wa raxmatullahi wa barakaatu!
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| | Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 11:31 pm Lady Jane Do you know you resemble kufaars in one very significant way - you're all the same species!!! You guys get carried away with this whole seperation thing. You sound like a bunch or nuts!! Now you don't want to resemble a kufaar. Well, maybe you can get some plastic surgery done. As for reading the Qur'an or going to mosque - one does not preclude the other. You can go to a Mosque and listen to the radio. These things are not mutually exclusive. Life is not all big issues and heart surgery. There have to be things that bring us pleasure in life. And if those things were not allowed, if all we were allowed to do (and I'm speaking about you not me - I'm a lousy kufaar remember) was work on our "diin"  I hate that word) then the Qur'an would say so. It would specifically say anything that is not focussed on staying alive or working on your diin is forbidden. So please, give it a rest. Besides, if I dumped my TV how would I watch the Hamed-Barrera rematch??
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| | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 07:01 am Mad Mac insha allah all our goals are to differ from the kufar spritually! You are sick of all the efforts being made to improve the life and love of a slave towards her/his creator. I wonder why that should botter you the slightest? Mad Mac how can you strengten your faith when everything that is presented to you from that little square is filt and negativity towards your faith? comeon Mad Mac you know exactly who owns majority of the broad cast rights and you have witnessed their relentless efforts to distort the image of Islam and portray all Muslims as the enemy! It is ok to say you can watch the sports and clean programs today, what happens when you got nothing interesting on TV but xxx and more xxx and even more every where else you look, the News i think you could do without it! Their weather predictions are mostly false and i think all predictive forecasting classifies as haraam, i might be wrong but i think not! What is left Mad Mac music, half of them are naked and the rest are shouting abusive language at your face. My biggest objection comes from the fact that we as humans are too weak to trust ourselves with that type of medium, i mean you will change channel when a xxx scene comesup the first few times then you start placing your hand infront of your eyes with your fingers apart, next you say ahhh i'll just take a quick look and then you are watching late night xxx and stayingup just to watch that filt. Sheytan is far smarter then you give him credit for. Under estimate Sheytan and he will have you spinning on your head before you even realize what is going on! Mad Mac do watch sports exclusively or you watch other stuff as well ?
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| | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 08:48 am Mystic K Holy ••••, now the Weather forcaster is Haram!!!!! God damn, you guys are unbelievable!!! Lighten up a little would you. You see a little titty on TV and you go nuts. It's no big deal. As for what I watch - I watch CNN once a day. I watch the fights. I watch baseball when I can, but living in Germany I don't get much baseball coverage. You want to know what gives Islam a bad rap -it's this B.S. you guys spread about everything being Haram. You are making Islam the most dour religion on earth. Everything is forbidden!!! Well, people are not going to listen with an open mind to people who are calling them ignorant, under the influence of Satan, and want to change every aspect of their lifestyles. You guys are your own worst enemy.
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| | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 11:24 pm Mad Mac the problem is not that we are saying anything wrong or bad! it is that you are having a very hard time to detach yourself from the insignificant little comforts that you have grownup with! You are entitled to your own opinion Man, nobody will hold you down and pour Islam through your ear ok! You say we are our own worst enemy as if we are running a business that has to consider the customer as a priority? Islam is not a business and i am not selling anything to you Man just expressing simple facts and sometimes my "own opinion" May allah[swt] forgive me if my lack of knowledge confuses any abiid[slave]. "A little bit of titty don't hurt anyone" yeh right Mad Mac tell that to a rape victim! Listen where have i reffered to you as ignorant? or under estimated your understanding? Lakum diinukum wa li-ya Diin.[To you be your way, and to me mine 109:6] i am just defending my position and i'll remind you that you are not defending anything rather attacking mine...who is open minded?
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| | Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 08:49 am Mystic-K, the problem with you is that you don't go nuts, not to mention bananas, only when you SEE a titty, to say the WORD is more than enough...hehehe! Weren't you all born naked?? Or is it something special with the way muslims are born?? So what is this fear that muslims have developed for naked skin? That you might get raped?? Please enlighten me? I always wonder why you muslims feel you have to defend yourself against almost everything. Where is the confidence? Do muslims have very low self-esteem or what? Don't you trust yourself and your choice in life enough to know what's right or wrong for you? Isn't there anything good in this world except muslims? We live in a modern world where TV is a part of everyday life. Nobody is telling you to watch it, feel free to turn it off, throw it out the window or whatever. Or simply don't buy one. You always have a CHOICE, you don't have to discuss it to death first, when are you going to realize that?? Sorry to say so, but you also have to realize the SIMPLE FACT that you were born in the wrong time  Hm, I wonder what the weather will be like tomorrow....
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| | Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 10:46 am Mystic K. Not necessarily with you, but with many others here on the net I have heard over and over again that the only reason people aren't Muslims who have heard about Islam, or perhaps read the Qur'an is they are ignorant, stupid or under the influence of Satan. Look at the word Kufaar. Look at what it really means. It's a pejorative. On a very basic level Muslims hold non-Muslims in disdain (not all of course). They are tolerated, but certainly not embraced. I'm not just talking about embracing what they believe, I'm talking about regarding them as of equal value. Think about it. And if you don't hold them of equal vlaue, they won't regard you with equal value. Now, I appreciate your position, you feel you are defending something that is inviolable. But in fact there is some manuever room. And calling weather forcasting haram is a reach.
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| | Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 10:46 am Adab General meanings: politeness, courtesy, good manners, refined manners, good breeding, respect, reverence; correct behavior, proper conduct, modest behavior; being courteous, polite; discipline, correction, chastisement; the science of polite learning; culture of mind, literature, literary pursuits. "Adab is an acquired habit in someone who holds back from ugly behaviors. In other words, he makes himself refined, polite and purified, and he makes his morals agreeable.... This word, in the terminology of the mystic knowers [`aarif-aan], is derived from the noble verse [of the Qur'an], "And keep to the limits set by God" [wa 'l-HaafiZuuna li-Huduudi 'llaah-- 9:112]. And "limits" is an expression concerning the Divine commands and prohibitions, which are either required, recommended, forbidden, or disapproved of [by Islamic Law]. And dab is always attending to what is regrettable and may follow disapproved actions. And the expression 'dab' is considering the limits of each person in relation to that person. And it is derived [also] from the Prophetic Tradition in which he said, 'My Lord taught me refined manners, so my manners are beautiful!' For the limits of God and of people were (certainly) well taught by him. And beautiful manners is a quality of the friends [aHbaab] (of God)." --Say Ja`far's Dictionary (translated from the Persian by Ibrahim Gamard) WGN i would not argue against TV if i had one at home! Yes you could argue the Television is not the cause, but if it contriputes to the degeneration of the Adab[an acquired habit]! remember that ADAB is acquired, learnt and when you have filt in your home, guess what it is assimilated into the behaviour of the young ones! I am not certain where you live but the western society has lost control of it's teenagers and pre-teens! I suppose it is ok to let your children watch men kissing on Tv? I suppose it is ok to let them watch drunken behaviour? I suppose Jerry Springer dictates how your life is lived? The problem is most parents don't have the time to control what thier children view on TV, they are too busy supporting the family or preparing the meals. You know what if it is not obvious to you but the chidren programs are directly targeted to portray pro-gay activity ok. They teach your children it is ok, they become role models for your chidren, they educate your chidren on what ADAB is, don't be worried about it WGN cos you mostly likely agree with this whole free sextuality issue! It disturbs my mind to see two people of the same gender kissing, i dare not think what it does to the mind of the young! No body is forced to have a TV, nobody is being forced to get ride of it, all this post was meant to do was to get people thinking about the issue. Eventually he who is weak would find a way to do wrong irrespective of what medium is available from them to acquire the ADAB that is going to lead him/her to hell. To anyone who is offended by my support for this link forgive me if i have upset you in anyway what so ever, that was not my intention and please do not confuse my opinion with anything else, i take full responsibility for my statements! Any errors are my own and not to be blamed on Islam.
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