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     | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 06:38 pm When a man wishes to unfetter himself from the restrictions of the Shari'ah and the Sunnah in the present day, the solution for him is to become a so-called Salafi. Once he joins the Salafi deviant sect, he is free to find expression for his nafsaani opinions. In order to draw unwary and ignorant Muslims into its fold of dhalaal and baatil, the modernists Salafis employ deception on a large scale. A salient feature of this sect of baatil is their rejection of the mathhabs of the Salf-e-Saalihoon. In spite of their rejection of the mathaahib of Haqq espoused by the Salf-e-Saalihoon, these mudhilleen (deviates who lead others astray) seek to bamboozle the unwary and the ignorant by making ostentatious claims for their "Love" and "respect" for the 'Ulama and Fuq'aha. The masses are ignorant. They lack the knowledge to distinguish between right and left; they do not possess the ability to verify and understand the statements of the Fuqaha which these salafi deviates selectively quote to bolster their corruptive arguments. Let us examine one example of the deception they employ to hoodwink the unwary and the ignorant. http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/salafi.html Read the rest for yourself, it is so scary the kind of stuff they are doing these days! man they are willing to go so-low!!!
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 07:50 pm I ask you dear brother…If what you say is true why is it that these so called salafis are the strongest in following the sunnah? Why are the traces of the sunnah most often seen on them? Of course the religion is more than praying salah properly, or hijab or niqab or growing beards or shortening the pants, But why is it Only the salafis who excel in these areas? Every sufi I know is either clean shaven or with a trimmed beard and has long pants or a dragging gowns and the sisters have no hijab or wear tight pants and mix with guys???? Have you asked yourself why do these blind followers of madhabs or sufi deviant abandon the sharia? They use ignorance and madhabs and tariqas only as an excuse so that they may not follow the sunnah. When we advice them about a sunnah or about an evil act they are doing they say…..you are not a scholar! Or why are you so strict or harsh….People may use excuses to abandon the sunnah Allah will judge their excuses. I don’t know how on earth you say they abandon the sunnah?? They are the ones who prohibit the bad and encourage the good. You only wish that they would leave you to your grave worship. I suggest you move to Syria, you will find fellow grave worshipers and they will not tell you follow the sunnah but the grand sufi master.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 07:56 pm Read what a fellow sufi put on this page! read with your own eyes what ar Rumi says about Allah and man! he say they are one! is this Islam is this what you call for? Fear Allah oh sufi and return to towheed. repent to Allah and return to the sunnah. You may call me Harsh but this is the truth and the sufi concept of Oneness must be refuted. from the horses mouth!!! ""Dear MysticK, Allah says in the Quran, ‘Men whom neither trading nor selling diverts from the remembrance of God (drikr Allah)…..’24:37 The Quran indicates with these word the existence of Sufis and their legitimate place in Islam. It is these man that are the true inheritors of the Prophets. MysticK, who give you the right to question Sufism place? A few books make a scholar not. Hujwiri, said in khasf al mahjub, “today Sufism is a name without a reality, but formally it was a reality without a name” So the fact that we do not read about Sufism in the hadith or from the great sahaba of the past Sufism it was present non the less as our great awliyah from the 10th century states . Allah says, “All that is in the earth is perishing, but there abides the face of thy Lord, full of majesty and bounty” There is no reality But the reality of (God) every other reality is dependant on his reality. This reality reveals itself from time to time, in order to instill into the creatures an awareness of their TRUE origin and essential nature. There is what is known as relative reality and ABSOLUTE REALITY and the link (or gate way) between them is the barzakh. The manifestation of Allah are to numerous to enlist here. The word satan (shaitan) means ‘to be distant’, that is distant from reality, on the edge of nothingness. Allah has made us khalifah on this earth and he placed obligations (taklif) on us so that we may realize our true nature. Allah says, “say God and leave them floundering in the confusion” (6:92) Here Allah summons us from within to follow the WAY (Tariqah) which leads away from the ego, with extensions and projections, to the realization of our essential IDENTITY. With God , in recognizing this we realize that, ‘there is no refuge from God but in Him’ (9:118). If we are not conscious of God (the Absolute Reality) we have no hope of achieve this state or realization. We have to lift the Veils which blind us (from realizing the Reality) dear muslims, by annihilating awareness of our nothingness our unworthiness! Allah calls for this in the from a question, “was there not a time when man was nothing worthy of mention?” Our supreme enemy is our ego or soul that hinders us, it commands the evil and enslaves us to desires and time and space! It is funny being given this knowledge is not sufficient for us to achieve the great realization it is only with the grace of Allah with which it maybe achieved. This grace may come to us yarning souls in the form of direct inspiration and as flashes of insight, or indirectly through the scriptures or rites which, as vehicles of grace, serve the yarning soul as guide and support. Allah says, ‘ And seek through patience and prayer’. So dear brothers and sisters we have to continually fight our own spiritual blindness, insensibilities and in addition wage war on the host of external enemies and tendencies which resist the flight of the spirit. It is reported the Prophet once said, we are returning from a lesser jihad (war) to a greater jihad’. What do you think the Rasool meant? I have attempted to show you’ll the true relevance of Sufis in Islam and its Place in Islam. I think sheik Hujwiri, statement, “today Sufism is a name without a reality, but formally it was a reality without a name” falls short, it should have been Sufism is the heart of Islam…without which there is no Islam. In my next post, Inshallah I will try and teach sincere Muslims the stages by which the Great realization may be achieved. I ask wahabis and salafis to keep there vile mouths out of this folder. MysticK may Allah protect you from the Saudi oil money propaganda machine. Sufism is Alive in our community and among our youth """" repent to Allah Rumi and mystic.K and Kamal
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 03:19 am To muslimah i do not know you your sect/cult or what ever else you belong to! i do not know Rumi as far as i am concerned he could be one of your own members! i just wish you all could stop the negativity. Seriously i am informed enough to seek the truth for my self and share it where i know it is needed due to lack of balance! muslimah please don't asociate me with anyone address me withregard to that which i know of and that is sufism in not a deviated sect! period! anyone who says so can do so as they please. I mean you all are using your "freedom of speech" i'll stand for my self and truth about islam. As far as i can here you are all deviated individuals, so stop pointing fingers at each other CHECK THIS WHILE YOU ALL POINT 1 FINGER AT ONE OTHER!!! THERE ARE 3 POINTING TOWARDS YOU FROM YOUR OWN HANDS. Sufism is not deviated and i would like to hear Muslimah agree with me on that! it is the imperfection of man that causes him to deviate not sufism. There are far many deviantes in other sects of Islam. Why do we even have to give any attension to the deviated muslims or accuse each other of being deviants??? Muslimah share something positive about sufism with me i would be most gratefull or would you rather i worship graves??? istakhfurullah I have never heard such nonsense before. Be carefull when you say "sufis" generalisation is your 1st port to deviation.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 06:09 am MysticK, I do not think that Sufism is part of Islam. I will admit that those who call themselves ‘sufis’ are not all the same. You are correct that we should not generalize about all Sufis as being grave worshiper. However In Islam some “Sufis” are know for this. Also you claim that ar-rumi is one of my cult what ever that means it is irrelevant. I only associate you with sufism and this is something you started. Rumi is a sufi and the message he posted is a Sufi concept. If you like to further explore this aspect of Sufism than I shall give you references from sufi saints books who say the same thing. The issue is do you agree with this Ideology of unity between Allah and Man and all of creation? Then please defend it. If you disagree with this concept them condemn it. It is not right that you accuse so and so of being a member of this cult or that cult. Why do you always mange to avoid Issues and deal with name calling. My problems with Sufism stem from this doctrine found in many sufi saints books as well as a lot of other major problems with them. I think you associate Sufism with tazkiya and Zuhd, which are part of Islam. But I disagree with calling tazkiyah as Sufism. This word is new and has many evil practices associated with it. There is no need to call to Sufism, we should call to tazkyah self purification…all these have proper Islamic name and this word ‘sufi’ is more than self purification at times it has elements of shirk and biddah. I sincerely think you are confusing the two. Also this word Wahabi you use all the time. I dis agree calling yourself wahabi. Actually I doubt, anybody calls themselves wahabi rather Sufis call those who oppose their deviant paths (or most Sufis) as wahabi. To my knowledge Sufis are the only ‘cult’ who call themselves sufi and call to Sufism all the rest regardless of being correct or wrong call to the quran and sunnah! Even the Ahmadiyah call to the quran and sunnah. So stop calling to Sufism and call to what we all know and heard of the Quran and Sunnah. This is why in most of your post you lack Quran and hadith. Instead you choose idle talk! Ever other brother and sister here (you call them “cult”) rely on the quran and hadith ….not you. You talk about wisdom…tolerance….acceptance…boils and plain character assignation. ..this is not Islam. Please FOR ALLAHS SAKE CALL TO ISLAM! So I tell you dear brother Call to islam and drop this alien concept which has never been mention by the rasul or the companions or those that followed them. Do I ask too much of you. Can you talk about Love for Allah or the virtues of fasting or anything that is righteous? Why is it sufi, cult, wahabi, salafi. You have missed the whole point of Islam!
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 06:11 am MysticK, I do not think that Sufism is part of Islam. I will admit that those who call themselves ‘sufis’ are not all the same. You are correct that we should not generalize about all Sufis as being grave worshiper. However In Islam some “Sufis” are know for this. Also you claim that ar-rumi is one of my cult what ever that means it is irrelevant. I only associate you with sufism and this is something you started. Rumi is a sufi and the message he posted is a Sufi concept. If you like to further explore this aspect of Sufism than I shall give you references from sufi saints books who say the same thing. The issue is do you agree with this Ideology of unity between Allah and Man and all of creation? Then please defend it. If you disagree with this concept them condemn it. It is not right that you accuse so and so of being a member of this cult or that cult. Why do you always mange to avoid Issues and deal with name calling. My problems with Sufism stem from this doctrine found in many sufi saints books as well as a lot of other major problems with them. I think you associate Sufism with tazkiya and Zuhd, which are part of Islam. But I disagree with calling tazkiyah as Sufism. This word is new and has many evil practices associated with it. There is no need to call to Sufism, we should call to tazkyah self purification…all these have proper Islamic name and this word ‘sufi’ is more than self purification at times it has elements of shirk and biddah. I sincerely think you are confusing the two. Also this word Wahabi you use all the time. I dis agree calling yourself wahabi. Actually I doubt, anybody calls themselves wahabi rather Sufis call those who oppose their deviant paths (or most Sufis) as wahabi. To my knowledge Sufis are the only ‘cult’ who call themselves sufi and call to Sufism all the rest regardless of being correct or wrong call to the quran and sunnah! Even the Ahmadiyah call to the quran and sunnah. So stop calling to Sufism and call to what we all know and heard of the Quran and Sunnah. This is why in most of your post you lack Quran and hadith. Instead you choose idle talk! Ever other brother and sister here (you call them “cult”) rely on the quran and hadith ….not you. You talk about wisdom…tolerance….acceptance…boils and plain character assignation. ..this is not Islam. Please FOR ALLAHS SAKE CALL TO ISLAM! So I tell you dear brother Call to islam and drop this alien concept which has never been mention by the rasul or the companions or those that followed them. Do I ask too much of you. Can you talk about Love for Allah or the virtues of fasting or anything that is righteous? Why is it sufi, cult, wahabi, salafi. You have missed the whole point of Islam!
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 12:45 pm Wonderfully done walaalo! i could not have twisted the issue as well as you have. Ok sufism aside. The title displeases you so! i am not a sufi never been guided by anyone or specific school. I believe that Islam has a Mystical component and everything you are trying to achieve is to neglect this vital part of islam. I don't think it is very intelligent to use the Quran and ahadith when among negative individuals who are very offensive and degrade that which inspires others to seek knowledge and the truth for them self! Walaalo read some of the stuff you say to me and tell me you actually have my best interest at heart??? Shame on you all. Read up on the battle of Badder, the digging of the trench! there are a lot of mystical events mensioned or rather asociated with that battle.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 11:54 pm Man you guys need to lighten up. Why is it that everyone around here spends more time focussed on throwing stones at other belief systems and seems to think that there's is only one right way? Why do you all insist on being so narrow-minded. Can't both the Salafis and the Sunnis and the Shia's be "right?" Everytime I turn around I see criticism on these pages. Criticism of the "west", criticism of other Muslim sects, criticism of a given intepretation by Muslim scholars, criticism of technology like TV, criticism of clothing (appropriate, not appropraite), criticism of relatives, criticism of lifestyles. What is up with this focus on the negative?
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 03:05 am I agree with Mad Mac. Why is it so impossible to be a little positive now and then? And to smile a little... Is it prevalent among muslims to be so depressive? The only time you laugh is when others do a mistake that you can pick on, especially the kufaars (I've learned a new word-hehe), it seems like you are searching for the errors and nothing else. And what I really can't understand is why it is so hopless to have a discussion wihthout people trying to lecture me all the time. It is ok as long as I ask a spesific question, i.e. about the Quran, but you also do it if I disagree about a subject. Why not just share your opinion without telling me that I am wrong every time? Because you really don't know more than I do. And that is the truth, no matter what you believe in. And if I don't agree with you I am a hopless lost person and my soul will burn in hell...or worse...  I haven't yet had the pleassure to meet an open-minded muslim here. It's sad. Many of you live in a country with a different culture than yours, infact most of you in here do, and alot of you were born into a different culture. You get all the benefits from this culture without complaining at all, but when it comes to the people living within it you have nothing but negative things to say about them.... Why?? What are you so damn afraid of?? I guess I am feeding the wolves here....
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 10:22 am MAD MAC. Mystic.K doesn't understand what he is doing is disservice to islam by calling people to what isn't part of islam. In fact many stuff he copies and pastes are directly from greek beliefs and philosophy. Trust me, if you read some of the works of Aristotle, you would find mystick.k's pastes the same philosophy. Islam has nothing to do with greek philosophy or any twisted beliefs about god. Furthermore, the prophet of islam said that muslims will be devided into 73 sects. Immagine that!. And the only correct sect is the one he said who keeps to what the prophet and his companions kept to as practice. That is why one needs reference from the Quran and Hadith. You don't accpet pure philosophy or baseless talk about islam. One has to have the source from the Quran and Hadith. The reason we seem to be rejectionists is that we are forced to be. We can' t let islam dissolve like christianity dissolved into conflicting sects each one calling the other heretics while we can do something about it. The prophet warned about all these and told muslims to uphold the laws he brought only and his ways of worship. Nothing is to be added and decreased from it. Why would one need to invent things in islam?. Mystick.K DOESN'T EVEN know the meaning of the Quran. If he needs to learn about islam he should learn it from the Quran not from deviated sects. I see no difference between mystick.k's beliefs and that of christianity although he cliams to be a muslim. This is what being ignorant about islam has brought to muslims. Some of them are no different than non-muslims in belief. Superstition is what mystic.K is spreading around. WGN. I apologize if I hurt your feelings. There is a lot you don't understand. That is why we seem to be hard to deal with. I think I need to stop talking to you because it seems I always make you angry. I like your candidacy and honesty. Hope you forgive me.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 11:16 am FG The problem I have with this concept of doing what the Prophet did and living accorsing to the Qur'an (even if I accepted it and Muhameds divinity, which I don't) is that many of the things in the Qur'an are subject to interpretation. Hence you have some folks who think Hijab is one thing, and some who think it's anothe (this is sjust one example, I could go on forever). You know, the interpretation between should for example - this doesn't mean MUST. And since no one is now alive who was alive during the Prophets time it's largely speculation and certainly only hearsay as to what the Prophet really said or did on any given issue. Some things for sure being more concrete than others. Also, I reject the notion that all other lifestyles, philosophies and so forth from non-Islamic culture must be rejected. The Greeks, for example, did much to define the concept of democracy. Different cultures bring different things to the table and I simply can not believe that Allah forbids all but one way of doing everything in life. Appreciate your input though. I do understand what you're saying.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 11:22 am FG, stop being so damn sensitive... Do I believe it....eheheh!
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 02:32 pm I like many of Rumi's poetry, I hope that is not dambi???
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 11:50 pm Istakhfurullah brother Fg! but your arguements and method still seems to stand with respect to tasawwuf[mysticism]. You believe that it is non-existant in Islam and all who believe in it are sufis? Sufi has many meanings! Some sufi sect abandon quran&ahadith only believing in tasawwuf[mysticism], you can't call them muslim. Some confuse creation with the creator and endup commiting bida[innovation]. There are thos who believe they can get closer to god through their sheiks! Then there are knowledgable muslim people who become sufis! You can't call people to islamic sufism. Certain people experience the call by will of allah[swt] however it is also possible to experience mysticism which can be induced through dikhr and various other ways. The catch is the induced type is only recommended to people who have sufficient knowledge of the quran&ahadith so that they would know not to commit bida[innovation]. My initial stance was to defend all that fell under "sufism" even accidently posting information that contained heretic statements ISTAKHFURULLAH. I felt there was a need to inform people about the issue and i still think that it could help someone who perhabs has a mystical experience one day. I hold true to the quran and sahih ahadith, the only difference between us brother FG i have an interest to know more about tasawwuf. There isn't even an arguement here. The rest is about mutual respect if you attack me or a subject of interest to me and you claim that Islam gives you the right then i have to correct you at any cost. I apologise to anyone who was offended by anything i have posted! I pray allah forgive my errors!
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 06:49 am 1.THE ISLAAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is the Only Truth. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan: "That is because Allaah - He is the Truth and it is He who gives life to dead." (Qur’aan, Chapter 22, Verse 6) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Aba Yazid al-Bistami is the Truth. On page 15 of the book ‘The Naqshbandi Way’ it reads : "Whoever recites this Ayah even a single time will attain a high rank and a great position, … he will get what the Prophets and saints could not get, and will arrive at the stage of Aba Yazid al-Bistami, the Imam of the order who said: "I am the Truth (al-Haqq)." The above statement ‘I am the Truth’ - is a clear example of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Names and Attributes of Allaah, since Al-Haqq in the definite form, is one of Allaah’s unique attributes and is not shared by any created being or thing unless preceded by the prefix `Abd meaning "Slave of" or "Servant of". (In fact the Mystic al-Hallaaj was publicly executed as an apostate for daring to openly claim divinity in his infamous pronouncement "Anal-Haqq"- I am the Truth.) 2.THE ISLAAMIC BELIEF: None shares with the command of Allaah Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "Verily, His (Allaah’s) command, when He intends a thing, is only that he says to it, "Be! And it is!" (Chapter 36, Verse 82); And in another place in the Qur’aan, Allaah says; "They have no protector other than Him (Allaah); nor does He share His command with any person whatsoever." (Chapter 18, Verse 26) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh shares with the command of Allaah On page 33 of the book ‘Mercy Oceans - Part 1’, it reads : "The Power of the wali is such that he only needs to say Kun (be) and that will be." The above is another example of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Lordship of Allaah, since the Islaamic principle of the Lordship of Allaah states that no created being can share in God’s attributes and infinite qualities, and any attempt to give the Divine attributes to creation is referred to as Shirk (association), the antithesis of Tawheed (singling out Allaah alone for worship). 3. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None could attain the Rank of the Prophets or their Companions. The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) has said in a well known Hadith that, "The best of people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter…" (Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 5, Hadith #3, Arabic-English Trans.) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Certain people could attain a Rank higher than the Prophets and their Companions. On page 1 of the book ‘The Naqshbandi Way’ it reads, "Our master the Sheikh says that a person who manages to act on these principles in our times will achieve what earlier generations did not achieve … he who attains an exalted stage and a great rank, such a rank which the Prophets themselves and the companions were unable to attain." On page 4 of the book ‘the Naqshbandi Way’ it reads, "Especially those who hold to the Prophet’s Sunnah, will attain special stations that weren’t opened to earlier people - not even to the Prophet’s companions.’ The deviant claim of attaining the rank which the Prophets could not is a major deception of the Naqshbandiya as any Muslim with even the basic knowledge of Islaam will confirm. As regards the companions (May Allaah be pleased with them all), the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) in a hadith narrated by Anas bin Maalik (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said, "After me, you will see others given preference to you, so be patient till you meet me." (Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 5., Hadith #137, Arabic-English Trans.) He (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) also said in reference to his Companions (May Allaah be pleased with them all), "For by Him in Whose hand is my soul, if you were to spend the like of Uhud or of the mountains in gold, you would not reach their actions." (Saheeh Bukhaaree) 4.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is above the heavens. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "Do you feel secure, that He (Allaah), who is above the heavens, will not cause the earth to sink with you." (Qur’aan, Chapter 67, Verse 16) And in a long Hadith found in Saheeh Muslim, it is narrated that the companion Mu`awiyah ibn al-Hakam, (Radhiallaahu Anhu) slapped his servant girl who used to tend his sheep, and as a result when to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and asked what should be done as an atonement for having slapped her. The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) replied, "Bring her to me" so Mu`awiyah brought her to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam). The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) then asked her, "Where is Allaah?" and she replied "Above the Sky" then the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam ) asked her, "Who am I?" and she replied, "You are Allaah’s Messenger", so the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "Free her, for verily she is a true believer." (Saheeh Muslim, Vol 1, Hadith #1094, English Translation) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Allaah is Everywhere. On page 13 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads, "Allaah Almighty is everywhere but specially in the Baitullaah as He has Himself called it the house of Allaah. For it to be called the house of the Lord, the Lord of the house must be in it." The concept of Allaah being everywhere is not Islaamic as the above Qur’aanic Aayah and the authentic hadith confirm. Indeed if Allaah was everywhere then there would be no need for the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) to go up through the seven skies on the night of Mi`raaj to meet Allaah - he would have been in the direct presence of Allaah in his very own house. 5.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None has the knowledge of the Last Day except Allaah. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allaah (alone)." (31:34) And according to the well known Hadith, where Angel Jibreel (`alaihis salaam) came in the guise of man, we quote the part of the Hadith that is relevant to our matter, after asking about Islaam, Imaan and Ihsaan, Angel Jibreel (`alaihis salaam) asks Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) "then tell me about the hour (meaning the last day)", the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) replied, "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner." (Saheeh Muslim, vol 1, Hadith #4, English Translation) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has the knowledge of the Last Day. In the beginning of page 19 of the book ‘Mercy Oceans - part one’, it reads - "These signs have been given us indication that the Last Day is coming is nearly exactly now …we shall witness that great event within two years." The above book (Mercy Oceans) was published in 1987 and it I almost nine years since its publication, but the last day is still not witnessed. How could it be when indeed Allaah has clearly stated in the Qur’aan, "Say None in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen except Allaah." (Qur’aan, Chapter 27, Verse 65) 6.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Believers and disbelievers are not equal. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "The likeness of the two parties (disbelievers and believers) is as the blind and the deaf and the seer and the hearer. Are they equal when compared? Will you not then take heed?" (Qur’aan, Chapter 11, Verse 24) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Believers and disbelievers are equal. On page 12 of the book ‘the Naqshbandi Way’, it reads; "Allaah does not distinguish between the non-believer and the faasiq (wrong doer) or between a believer and a Muslim. In fact they are all equal to him." Furthermore, on page 16 of the same book it reads, "Allaah does not distinguish between a kaafir or a hypocrite or between a saint and a Prophet." 7.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No intermediary between Allaah and Man. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "And when My servants ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them in knowledge), I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me." (Qur’aan, Chapter 2, Verse 186) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh is intermediary between Allaah and Man. On page 23 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads, "If there wasn’t Mowlana Sheikh Nazim between us and Seyyidina Mahdi (Alai), or between us and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sal), or between us and Allaah Almighty, no one would be able to reach to Divine knowledge… this is because Mowlana Sheikh Nazim is the intermediary between us and these stations." [It should be known that the practice and belief of having an intermediary between man and God is a pagan practice, borrowed directly from other religions like Christianity which believes the Pastor or the church priest to be an intermeidary between man and God and hence confession of one’s sins is done to them and not directly to God. 8.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No spokesman between Allaah and Man on the Day of Judgment. Adi bin Hatim (radhiallaahu `anhu) reported that the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "There is none of you but his Lord will certainly talk to with him without any Spokesman between him and his Lord." (Sunan Ibn Maajah, Vol 1, Hadith #185, English Translation) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh will be a spokesman between Man and Allaah on the Day of Judgment. On page 11 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads, "When a person takes Bayyat from Mowlana, Mowlana will be with that person. Even until he reaches in front of Allaah Almighty will Mowlana be with him, when Allaah Almighty questions this person Mowlana shall answer all questions instead of him." 9.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: (For anything to happen) it is only what Allaah wills. Once a companion of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) concluded his statement to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) with the phrase "It is what Allaah wills and you will." The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) immediately corrected him saying - ‘Are you making me an equal with Allaah? Say it is what Allaah alone wills.’ (Collected by Ahmad - Arabic) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: It is what Allaah and the saint wills. On page 23 of the book "Quthub us Sailan" which is written by the local head of the group, it reads "One morning in the newspapers, I read that the wakf board had taken over the Dewatagaha Mosque seeking the chief trustee at the time, chairman of the welfare committee and chief trustee, M.I.M. Shaukat came to my place a couple of days later to find out what he could do in that matter as chief trustee, I told him that if it was the will of Allaah and the saint, well nothing could be done on his part." 10.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is in charge of creation. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "And Allaah is a Wakil (Guardian) over all things." (Qur’aan, Chapter 11, Verse 12) And in another place, Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says, "He (Allaah) arranges (every) affair from the heavens to the earth." (Qur’aan, Chapter 32, Verse 3) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh is in charge of creation. On page 15 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ it reads, "Every thing that you know of is under the spiritual control of the Sultan al Awliya, he is the one who is in charge of all mankind in this universe, he is also in charge of all the world of Jinns and Angels." Again the above belief is one of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Lordship of Allaah, as has been explained before. 11.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None can change a bad situation except Allaah. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He…" (Qur’aan, Chapter 6, verse 17) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can change a bad situation. On page 26 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ in the 2nd paragraph it reads, "If a bad situation is to come to a mureed of his, Sheikh has the power to change it." 12.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None can make anyone enter paradise or save from hell, except Allaah. The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said in an authentic Hadith, "O People of Quraysh, secure deliverance from Allaah (by doing good deeds). I cannot help you at all against Allaah. O sons of Abdul-Muttalib, I cannot help you at all against Allaah; O (my uncle) Abbas ibn Abdul-Muttalib, O (my aunt) Safeeyah, I cannot help you at all against Allaah; O Faatimah, daughter of Muhammad, ask me whatever you like, but I have nothing which can help you against Allaah." (Saheeh Muslim, Vol 1, Hadith #402, English Translation) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can make one enter paradise and save one from hell. On page 30 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani, in the 3rd paragraph, it reads - "Sheikh will not allow any of his mureeds to enter hell, … Sheikh Nazim will make all the followers to enter into this paradise." 13.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: The Angel of death will take the soul of the dying. Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur’aan, "Say the Angel of death, who is set over you, will take your souls, then you shall be brought to your Lord." (Qur’aan, 32:11) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh will take the soul of the dying On page 35 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ under the heading ‘No questioning in the grave’, it reads; "As for anyone who is related to Mowlana Sheikh Nazim as a mureed, the Angel of Death Israel (Alai) will have nothing to do with him, the soul of this mureed at the time of his death will be taken by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim, he shall look at the mureed and immediately the soul of that mureed will leave his body. There is nothing for either the Angel of death or for the Angels of the grave to do with the mureeds of Sheikh Nazim." 14.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No hidden knowledge in Islaam, everything is given in the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said in an authentic hadith, "I have not left anything which Allaah ordered you with, except that I have ordered you with it, nor anything that Allaah forbade you, except that I forbade you from it." (Saheeh, al-Baihaqee 7:76, Arabic) THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has hidden knowledge. In spite of the above clear hadith, the deviant Naqshbandi claim that there is ‘secret knowledge’ with the Sheikh, for example on page 60-61 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ in the 3rd paragraph it reads; "Vast amounts of hidden knowledge have been communicated to his mureeds by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim in this manner. Questions by these mureeds regarding day to day life, or questions relating to religion … and also many other subjects have been answered by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim. When this type of communication has been granted to a mureed, he no longer needs to resort to books to further his knowledge." 15.THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: When Allaah loves a person… The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said as narrated by Abu Huraira (radhiallaahu `anhu) that, "…Allaah said…the most beloved things with which my slave comes nearer to Me, is with what I have enjoined upon him, and my slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips…" (Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 8, Hadith 509, Arabic - English Trans) [The above hadith should not be misinterpreted by the reader. What it simply means is as has been explained by the Scholars of Hadith is that, when Allaah becomes his sense of hearing means the servant will only hear Halaal speech and will keep away from hearing forbidden speech. And regarding sight, then it means he will only see that which is permissible to see and keep away from seeing that which is Haraam and in the case of the hands then it means he will only touch and use his hands in that which is Halaal and will refrain from touching and doing Haraam with it.] THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Directly contradicts the above hadith. On page 62 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ in the last paragraph it reads, "Certain of the mureeds of Mowlana Sheikh Nazim experience that Mowlana appears within them, when this happens, they are no longer conscious of themselves as themselves, they lose their identity and are conscious of themselves as their Sheikh. They see through Mowlana’s eyes when the look, they hear through Mowlana’s ears when they hear, and they speak Mowlana’s words when they speak.." 15a THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can be in any place at the same time. On page 33 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ it reads, "Mowlana Sheikh Nazim can also be present in his shape and body in several places at the same time." Also on page 65 of the same book it reads in the 2nd paragraph, "Sometimes, mureeds have been transported to other countries and places. For example, they may be transported in a moment to London…some are known to have visited Mecca, Medina, London and Baghdad in moments by the power and the grace of Sheikh Nazim." THE ISLAMIC POSITION : on the above Naqshbandi position In a Hadith, the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "There are three types of Jinn, one type flies through the air…" (Transmitted by al-Haakim, Tabaraani and al-Baihaqi, Arabic) And Allaah says in the Qur’aan, "And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief." (Qur’aan, 72:6) 15b THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has two faces. On page 21 of the book ‘Haqiqat ul Haqqani’ in the first paragraph describing Sheikh Nazim, it reads, "He (Sheikh) now has a face towards the creatures and a face towards Allaah Almighty, therefore he is with Allaah Almighty all the time!" THE ISLAMIC POSITION: on the above Naqshbandi belief The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) rightly said, as reported by the companion Abu Huraira (radhiallaahu `anhu) who said that Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "The worst amongst the people is the double faced one." (Saheeh Muslim, vol 4, Hadith #6300 - English Translation) Also, the companion Ammaar (radhiallaahu `anhu) reported the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) as saying, "He who is two faced in this world, will have two tongues of fire on the day of resurrection." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol 3, Hadith #4855 - English Translation) From the preceding, concise presentation of the Naqshbandi group’s deviant beliefs, in shaa’ Allaah, there should not remain even the slightest inkling of a doubt in the mind of the sincere reader about the group’s deviant nature and falsehood. It is only the ignorant, grossly biased and dishonest sympathizers of the group who will still maintain the view that the group’s teachings and beliefs are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah, since it has been clearly and decisively proven to be just the exact opposite. In the foregoing article, the reader would have noticed that every thing of the pure Islamic Belief mentioned has been contradicted by this deviant group. In fact the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) had warned us about the appearance of such deviant groups, when he said in an authentic narration reported by Abu Amir al-Hawdani (radhiallaahu `anhu), "Indeed those who were before you, from the people of the book (Jews and Christians) split into seventy sects, and this religion will split into seventy three; seventy two will go in to the hell fire, and one of them will go to paradise, and it is the Jamaa`ah." (Abu Dawud, vol 3, Hadith #4580, English Translation) [ The term Jamaa`ah was explained by the companion `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood (radhiallaahu `anhu) as meaning that which agrees with the truth. He said in his famous statement, "The jamaa`ah is that which agrees with the truth, even if it is a single person." (Reported by ibn Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq - Arabic) ] Then there is no doubt that each of these groups claims for itself that it is the saved group, and that it is correct and that it alone follows the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam), but the way of truth is a single way and it is the one which leads to salvation, and any other way is one of the ways of misguidance which leads to destruction as has been clearly explained by the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) in another hadith, reported by the companion `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood (radhiallaahu `anhu), who said, "Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) drew a line with his hand and said, "This is the straight path of Allaah." He then drew lines to its right and to its left and said, "These are the other paths, which represent misguidance and that at the head of each path sat a devil inviting people to it (path)." He then recited, "And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path." (Reported by Ahmad, an-Nasaa’ee and ad-Daarimee and collected in Miskhaat ul-Masaabih, Vol 1, Hadith #166, Arabic-English Translation) So the path is to stick to the Book of Allaah and to the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam), as occurs in the following hadith. The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "I have left you with two things, as long as you hold to them, you will never go astray, they are the Book of Allaah and My Sunnah." (Collected by Imaam Maalik, rahimahullaah, in his Muwatta, the Book of Decree. Hadith #3, Page 434, English Translation) So the criterion to judge the claim of any group or individual who claims to be on the right path, is to see how close its beliefs and teachings are in accordance to the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The external deceptive claim of the Naqshbandi group, under the guise of Islaam should not be a means of confusion to anybody, as to the reality of its deviant nature. History is a witness to the well-known slogan, "If you cannot beat them, then join them" - this is exactly what the group is doing. Its aim is to destroy Islaam from within, wearing the cloak of Islaam. A serious effort should be made to enlighten those of the group’s followers who may be genuinely seeking the light of pure Islaam, but as a result of the group’s brainwashing have fallen into its clutches. Whatever has been said in this booklet is not to be taken lightly, since this is a matter that could take a person completely outside of the fold of Islaam into Kufr (disbelief). This is not mere opinion of laymen but the verdict of the Ulamaa’ of Islaam, who have pronounced anyone holding such weird beliefs, which contradict the very fundamentals of Islaamic belief, and continue to persist in such beliefs even after the evidence has been clearly shown to them, risks falling outside of the fold of Islaam. It should be kept in mind that the above statements are being made for conveying knowledge only and not to make declaration of Kufr (disbelief) of any people.
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 07:14 am American Sufi Institute - Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi is a man sent by God, whose spiritual teachings allow you to taste the purest source of love. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2717/ "Where Ishq (passionate love) takes over, the Faith does not know" (The Saint Sultan Bahu) His Holiness was born in the Indian sub-continent on 25th November 1941, in a small village of Gohar Shah in the district of Rawalpindi. His mother is "Fatimi" a descendant of the Prophet Mohammed's daughter Fatima. She is of Sa'daat lineage (descendant of the Prophet Mohammed) as she was the daughter of one of the (paternal) grandsons of Syed Gohar Ali Shah. The father of His Holiness is the descendant of one of the (maternal) grandsons of Syed Gohar Ali Shah and his grandfather was linked to the Mughal family. His Holiness was attracted towards the tombs of the Saints from an early age. The father of His Holiness states that His Holiness used to disappear from the age of five or six years, only to be found sitting next to the tomb of the Saint Nizam-Uddin Auliya (in Delhi) on searching for him. His father further states that he felt as though His Holiness (at young age) was talking to the Saint Nizam-Uddin Auliya. This was at a time when the father of His Holiness was settled in Delhi. He spent most of his youth searching for God. His Holiness took initiations and practiced traditional Sufi paths but his frustration grew every day. At the age of 34, His Holiness on the guidance of a divine spirit, quit world and spent three years on a spiritual retreat in the mountains of Sehwan Sharif (Holy town of the Great Saint Lal Shabaz Qalander, Sindh, Pakistan) and in Laal Bagh (nearby jungle famous for spiritual retreat). He went through intensive retreat, several life and death experiences, revelations and enlightenments. His Holiness did experienced the evil and divine spirits everyday as part of his education, especially the tricks of Nafs (ego). Sarkar Gohar Shahi often talks about his three years in the wilderness, and consider them as best part of his life. He returned to the world on the Commandment of God. Contrary to his expectations, he had to go through humiliation and rejections. In first four years of preaching the message, only four people favorably. Then, gradually young seekers accepted his teachings. He turned the Hearts of several hundred thousands people towards the Remembrance and the Love of God. The followers of all religions invited His Holiness Gohar Shahi to the Mosques, the Temples, and the Churches to speak and to receive his grace in the form of Qalb (the Heart) meditation. Countless individuals have turned to God benefiting from his teachings. His spiritual healing cured countless incurable patients. People, healed from drug abuses, crimes, emotional disorders and past abuses, turned to God. Some orthodox theologians (the Mullahs) and the enemies of the Saints, disliked him. Twisting the meaning in some of his books and interpreting them in their own ways, accused him of blasphemy, thus rendering a death sentence for him. A petrol bomb was thrown in his Manchester's residence. There was an attack with hand grenade during the discourse at his home in Kotri, Pakistan. A high price tag was put on his head in Pakistan. He was the subject of entrapment through five serious but false allegations. Previous Government of Pakistan was fully involved conspiring against His Holiness. The biased journalism defamed him on a large scale. Eventually, after many investigations and hearings, the courts dismissed all the cases against him, declaring the allegations false. The well organized orthodoxy continued their evil plan. In conjunction with corrupt police they filed four more cases after the court decisions. Why they are doing this? What is the purpose behind all this frenzy? Obviously, they wanted to defame him, a strategy that will keep people away from listening the voice of the Heart, the home of the Beloved.
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 09:44 am WGN, Is it possible that part of discussion is telling the other party "they are wrong" when they are? Or you saying you shouldn't tell them they are wrong if you diagree with them, huh?
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 03:39 pm Mystick.K. Sorry for the damning I did. May Allah forgive me bro. I tell you though, you are one lost brother who likes islam. Go learn the true islam and stop spreading what isn't islam. Learn the towhid and knowledge and stop being superstitious. Learn the basics from here: www.islaam.com www.islamworld.net
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 11:47 pm I am trying! Tnx. Allah[Tabaaraka wa ta'alaa] guide us all in the right path!
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 03:50 pm Salaams my people. Guys, we shouldn't spending quality time hating and demeaning each other. Isn't there anything postive that we can do for each other and our deen? isn't this what sheydaan wants from us? to hate and devide each other? and isn't this what Allah (the allmighty) ordered us not do in the Quraan? You know, there are so many surah and hadiiths that teach us about the Beautifull deen of Allah. Similarly, there are so many surah and hadiiths that tell us about the completeness of Islaam and the sunnah of the prophet (saw)... why is then so hard for us to differentiate the truth from falshood? Indeed, the best speech is the speech of Allah (swt) and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammed (saw). and I am sure that you are all aware of the hadiith were the Prophet (saw) said the best of people are my generation...then those after them... then those after them...the salafu-saalih. This should be the basis of our deen. As regards, sufism many of the mystical acts practiced by the sufis were not practiced by the Prophet (saw) and his companions..... which makes it a bidca'h.... We were fore warnned about this by Rasuul'Allah..... when he said.... the worst of all afairs are the newly invented matters.. for every newly invented matter is a bidca'ah.. and every bidca'ah is a misguidance... and evry misguidance and its people are in the hell fire!! In another hadiith, the prophet said... whomsoever that comes with something different from this matter of ours ...shall have it rejected  This is obviously a brief analyses of the issue of sufism. I am not here to disagree or agree with anyone..and I intednd no disrespect. As far as I am concerned anyone who takes the shahaadah (and understands its qualities) , prayes like the prophet (saw), faces our qiblah... is a muslim and is worthy of my respect. Mad Mac- i see Ur point, tho i am not sure weather i agree with U yet.... But that is kinda rich coming from U. since U seem to love debating with the muslims about their islaam? or do i sense a change of character.. just a thought  And Allah know best. Peace, Love and Happiness
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