Alyisa | Unrecorded Date It has come to my attention that we (somalis) are not all muslim. It seems that while 10 million christeans embrassed islam in the United States, we somalis are going in the opposite direction. More and more somalis are leaving Islam and why? Certainly not because the Jesus is God but because it seems to fit the life style here in the west. SO for all of you who claim to be the followers of jesus Christ I'd like to take a minute and read this. God was BORN in Bethlehem (Mat. 2:1). After his birth, his mother Was IMPURE for forty days (Luke 2:22, Leviticus 12:1-4). His MOTHER’S name was Mary (Mark6:3). God was CIRCUMCISED when he was EIGHT DAYS OLD (Luke 2:21). God was BAPTIZED (Mat. 3:13). God had four FATHERS: Joseph (Luke 3:23), David (Mat 1:1), Abraham (Mat. 1:1), and God (Acts 9:20). God had four BROTHERS (Mark 6:3). God was a CARPENTER (Mark 6:3). God was TEMPTED by Satan (Luke 4:2). God was a "MAN APPROVED OF GOD" (Acts 2:22). God said "…THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE GOD…" (Mark 12:29). God said "…NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD GOD’S VOICE NOR SEEN HIS FORM…" (John 5:37). God was EATING AND DRINKING (Mat. 11:19). God was CRUCIFIED (Mark 15:24). God DIED (Luke 23:46). Was Jesus God?? You judge for yourself. If after you read this your still convinvced jesus is God then good luck. Remember Islam doesn't need you, you need it. |
Ahmad | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum! The Christians are best at manipulating the Mind and the Soul of the Person. BUT, when one reads the Bible and the Koran...THEY BOTH agree on MOST of the things. Jesus was son of God? YES...because Adam and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and David and Muhammad and Moses and all of the Messangers of God were. He wasn't the Biological Son of God, HOWEVER, as the Bible too confesses this. It was concieved by the Holly Ghost, The Faith-Ful Spirit, the Angel of God; GABRIEL! In the Bible and in the Koran, it appears to Mary and tells her that she shall bare a son whom shall be the Messiah, the Savior of Men in the Last day when Man needs saving from the Wicked Evil Anti-Christ(Dajja`l). I don't believe that the Bible is the complete word of God, but I believe most of it has God's words. They, the Christians and the Jews temperred with the Revelations of God to fit their unjust market and society. THIS is despicable! THIS makes the whole Book impure! THIS is why the Koran chalengs them to Eternity! Surely, anybody who has eyes and mind and good heart sees that Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible. Isiah, one of the Old Testament Prophets...God speaks in his Book and tells men how his "New Song"(Notice how the Koran is like a poem...and has tawjiid which makes the outsiders think it is a song) shall be out of Kedar(KNOWN as Arabia)...how those who live there shall be mercied with goodness because they'll believe(NOTICE how for the first time, the Arabs believe in God, generally as a whole). In Song of Solomon, in the Hebrew text, chapter five in verse sixteen, we have the word "Mahamad"(NOTICE how somalis name their children Maxamad and not Muxammad---due to the Hebrew/Arab travellor Darood...who settled the Lands of Samale!). In the Hebrew Bible, the word is accompanied by "im" which is out of respect...like "Eloh-im" even though God is one...it's "US" or "WE" reffering to God. We have the same in the Koran, God says many times "Inaa" in Arabic or "WE" in English...which doesn't mean there are more gods...but JUST Allah, with pulural for out of respect! Going back to Jesus, he never says that he is God anywhere in the Gospel...nor does he imply one. BUT, it's the plaspheme of the People of the Book to attribute him to be "THE LORD" or the "GOD" or whatever the heck they feel like attributing to him. BUT, don't worry, we Muslims too have that. We have people who believe Ali Bini Abi-Talib should be the Prophet of Islam and that Muhammad just got it for mistake, or the likes of it...which is kufr and astraying. Somalia suffered an exile of punishment from their Lord for being unjust and aiding corruption. I would rather be on Exile for the rest of my life than to spend one second in Jahanama. I pray that none of us ever sees or hears such thing. May God bless us with good hearts that tell the just from the unjust. May He forgive our sins and deliver us from Evil. May He help us vanquish the evil suggestions of Satan out of our heads and hearts! And, if he wills, may He give us peace in this world and the one after! Amen! Blessed BE! Peace, Ahmad! |
WHO | Unrecorded Date WAAR WAA GAAL GAAL DHALAY NINKUYEY HALAHADLINA WUXUU ISKA DHIGAYAA SOOMALI LAAKIIN MAHA NIN IYO NAAG WUXUU YAHAY LAMA YAQAAN MAGACIISADNA KA GARATA ALIS MANA AHA SOOMALI GAALOBAY AMA KU DHASHAY DIINTA MUSLIMKA LAAKIN WAA GAAL CAD OO AAN BIYO ISMARIN |
Ahmad | Unrecorded Date Asalama Calaykum ya Ummatul Soomaliyah! TO: WHO! Ma`aqaan wuxuu yahay, nin iyo naag, kuma dambaabi karo, laakiin aniga waligay iyo Allahay ma`arkin Somali gaal ah. Waan maqlay, haa, laakiin waligay si dhab ah uma arkin somali gaal ah. Marka, hadii Alyisa uu gaal yahay, waa mid asaga dhibaysa. Marka aan eego doodiisa, wuxuu u egyahay Muslim. Waxyaabaha uu yiri waxay ku yaalaan Baybalka(Injiil). Waa waxyaabo Nabi Ciise ka sheekaynaya, meesha kuu dhasay...meeshu ku koray...IWM. Soomaali dhibaato waxaa ugu filan qaxa iyo orodka ay ku jirto, aan Alle ka barino inuusan gaalnimo noogu darin. Subxaanallah Cazaa Wajal! Wasalama Calaykum Waraxmatullahi Wabarakatu! Ahmad! |
Ansaari | Unrecorded Date Salamu aleikum! Say: "O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK! COME TO COMMON TERMS AS BETWEEN US AND YOU; THAT WE WORSHIP NONE BUT GOD; THAT WE ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS WITH HIM; THAT WE ERECT NOT, FROM AMONG OURSELVES, LORDS AND PATRONS OTHER THAN GOD." IF THEN THEY TURN BACK, SAY: "BEAR WITNESS THAT WE (AT LEAST) ARE MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL)." (Holy Qur'an 3:64) "People of the Book" is the respectful title given to the Jews and the Christians in the Holy Qur'an. The Muslim is here commanded to invite --"O people of the Book!"--- O learned people! O people who claim to be the recipients of the Divine Revelation, of a Holy Scripture; let's gather together onto a common platform ---"that we worship none but GOD", because non but GOD is worthy of worship. In the abstract the Jews and Christians would agree to all the three propositions contained in this above Qur'anic verse. In practice they fail. Apart from doctrinal lapses from the unity of the One True God, (Allah subhanahu wa ta-ala) there is the question of a consecrated priesthood (among the Jews it was hereditary also), as if a mere human being ---Cohen, or Pope, Priest and Brahman,--- could claim superiority apart from his learning and the purity of his life, or could stand between man and GOD in some special sense. BUT ISLAM DOES NOT RECOGNISE PRIESTHOOD! The creed of Islam is given to us here in a nutshell: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, And the revelation given to us, And to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, And that given to Moses and Jesus And that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference Between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (Holy Qur'an 2:136.) The Muslim position is clear. The Muslim does not claim to have a religion peculiar to himself. Islam is not a sect or an ethnic religion. In its view all religion is one, for the Truth is one. IT WAS THE SAME RELIGION PREACHED BY ALL THE EARLIER PROPHETS. (Holy Qur'an 42:13). It was the truth taught by all the inspired Books. In essence it amounts to a consciousness of the Will and Plan of GOD and a joyful submission to that Will and Plan. IF ANY ONE WANTS A RELIGION OTHER THAN THAT, HE IS FALSE TO HIS OWN NATURE, AS HE IS FALSE TO GOD'S WILL AND PLAN. Such a one cannot expect guidance, for he has deliberately renounced guidance. May Allah show us the right guidance Your brother of Islam Ansaari |
Ansaari | Unrecorded Date Salamu Aleikum! I'm back again because I forgot something else..! Ku:- WHO Walaaloow/walaaleey Illaah dambi dhaaf weeydiiso, maxaa yeelay qof muslim ah ayaad ku tilmaamtey GAAL. Anigu qoraalkaas kor ku qoran ee qofkan Alyisa soo dhigay ugama jeedo wax cadeynaya GAALNIMO. Waxaan u maleynayaa in aad dabamartey waxa uu ka hadlayana aadan fahmin. Sida Axmedba kuu sheegay wuxuu ka hadlayaa nabi Ciise iyo waxay gaaladu ka aaminsan yihiin. Waxaan kuu sheegayaa in uu muslim yahay waxaana cadeynaya maqaalo uu Alyisa ka qoray ama ka dhiibtey fikradihiisa mowduucyo kala duwan oo hoos yimaada qaybta Islaam ee SomaliNet Forumka sida: - Islam as the only way of life - CAN I BE NONMUSLIM AND SOMALI AT SAME TIME? - What is allowed for a Muslim female in terms of getting to know her male counterpart? Fadlan dib u akhri qoraaladiisa. Waxaan rajeynayaa in aad khaladkaada arki doonto Illaahna dambi dhaaf weydiisato, walaalkana/walaashaana cafis ka dalabto. Ansaari |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Ahmed Allah is one, He is neither a man or a women. Allah(swt) is beyond a gender. By saying that Allah was the Father of Jesus and all the other prophets your implaying that Allah is a male. While the Quran tells us there's nothing like Allah, the Quran itself refers to Allah as "Huwa, Hu, Lahu etc." (He, Him, His etc.). The masculin pronouns are use to refer to both the male gender and the Being who is beyond a gender. The pronoun "it" doesn't exist in the Arabic language and it can never be used to refer to Allah because god is not a "thing" He is a Being with attributes. Christeans use the term Father and speak of God's son therefore giving Allah (swt) a gender , the same thing you are doing. I would advice you to get this issue cleared with a scholor or an Imam. Wa salaam Alaykum |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Ansaari I wish I could understand you bro. I can't figure out what you're saying. If it's possible can you write in Engilsh? |
Muslim | Unrecorded Date Asalaamun Alaa man itaba'al huda: To: Alyisa, You have confused me and your points do not seem clear as they should be. I would like to ask you few questions if you don't mind. I also have a favor in know the religion you follow and your nationality because we (somalis) have been discussing a whole lot of topics here in the somalinet forun (which is created for Somali people) and I haven't seen such topics that your are presenting now. There were some sort of notifications that were posted many places which indicated starngers have been writing comments in this forums. I, personally am Muslim and talking about a Muslim point of view, we don't qoute from the bible for its falsehood and the number of time it been changed by the KUFAARIS. A Muslim person, would not say such words that you wrote above and would never qoute or use the bible as a tool guide (to compare with the quran) unless there is presented an agrument with a christian person or a preist. I am sure that you know a lot things from the bible, that leaves me the suspension of you not being a Somali person, on the other hand, you neither understand nor write in Somali. If that's the case, then there are many places that are open for discussion but this one belongs to Somalis. I finally advise you to clear out yourself before you post any more comments. I would appreciate if you state your religion next time and support your opinion with the kibaatka Eebe iyo axaadiista nabiga. To: Walaalaheyga Musliminta ahoow Dhab ahaantii waan ku wareeray sheekada uu pagekaan ku bilowday shakina waan ka qabay balse waxaa shaki wayn i galisay si meesha ka cad in qof gaal ah lala doodayo oo waxyaalo laga soo qaatay bibleka iyo kuraanka la is barbar dhigayo. Midkale, AHMED-yada way bateen ee halakala saaro. Anigu ma garan ahmedka ugu horeeya waxa uu aaminsan yahay isu waxa uu ayidayo iyo wiliba cida uu la doodayo. |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Muslim The reason why I can't write in somali is because I was never thought, this is a problem many teenagers like myslef face. I don't think it's fair that you discourage me from posting articles in here simply because I can't write in somali. I am appauld at the fact that you seem so offended because I have a fair understanding of Christeanity. I am strong in faith as muslim woman which allows me to explore other religion and quickly see the conterdictions and the lies contained in them.I posted the above article to mock Christeanity in a humorouse way because I know the bible is not the true word of god and that's why it conterdicts itself.I would have quoted from the Quran but that would not have helped me to get my point across to the non-believers in this case. Perhabes you misunderstood and should read it again. I ask you why is it so unusual for you to see a muslim, a somali muslim who can qoute from the bible? Are you aware that we muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge? This isn't like the old days where your parents told you that you're a muslims end of discussion. Learning about other religions only helps me appreciate ISLAM even more. |
Ahmad | Unrecorded Date TO: Alyisa! Asalama Alaykum! Refering that God is the father, doesn't really mean the FATHER(morally way). No, it means the father as the Raiser, the Helper...not worldly father. The christians...twisted the words of Jesus...and made them into something else..while their books go against it. Alyisa, read my message with deep understanding. And, yes, when you understand it...try to understand the word "RUB" or "LORD" correctly. Among other things, the word "RUB" "rabbi" means the FATHER...so when God says "RUB-ul Ala`min" he's saying the "Father of Worlds". SO, once again, this doesn't mean that he's the "father", litteraly(biologically)...but in concept or understanding. I fully and deeply belief/understand the following: "Bismillahi Raxmani Raxiim: Qul Huwallahu Axad, Allahu Samad, Lam yalid walam yakum, Lahu kufuwan axad." Koran, 112:1-5. Subxanallah, Wal-xamdullilah, Walaa Ilaha ilal-Lahu, Wallahu Akbar! Blessed BE! Peace, Ahmad! |
Muslim | Unrecorded Date Asalaamun Alaa man itabacal Hudaa! To: Alyisa I would like to thank you for your understanding and having this discussion with me. It is very important that we both understand and keep track of one topic out of time. It doesn't surprise me that you're contradicting to yourself. For instance, you said that you're Somali teenager who can't write his mother language and yet you are claiming you're strong in faith as muslim woman. You also said you have a fair understanding of Christianity. I wonder where in the world we would find that kind of Somali teenager whose education of religion(s) have passed the average of the other Somalis and is incapable of reading or writing in Somali. To the best of my knowledge, I haven't seen nor did I heard about a Somali teeage girl who fully does understand well in both Islam and Christianity and not being able to speak her native language. This brings out that you're hiding your identity and reminds me some thing else. You are either one of the following, a non-somali person who converted to Islam. I will tell you the other one later. Going back to you question. Yes, it's very unusual to see a Somali teeanger girl quoting from the bible rather than the Qur'an. Our lovely prophet Mohamed (scw) encouraged us to seek knowledge but one should not go beyond what's required. This doesn't mean you can't learn other religions but it means that you are not supposed to laern the bible before you even know the meaning and the message of the Qur'an (and I meant the whole of the KITAB) and the Sunnah of the prophet followed by the 4 madaahibs. In this case, if you have memorized the quran, know its meaning, have finished studing the kutobs of the Imamayn and the other madahibs, then you can take the title of AHMED DEEDAT and make debats among the christian preists. At what age can a person reach this goal, it must not be at the age you're claiming. Let me clear out one more misunderstanding. You said you have qouted from the bible because you wanted to get your point accross. If it would've been a discussion among KUFAARIS, I would've agreed but I don't see a non-muslim person who's denying the DIIN of Allah. We are all Somalis here (Muslim, Ahlu sunnah Wal jamah) and we don't listen quotation from the bible but we do benefit and have interest in the quotation that are coming from the holy Qur'an. By the way, if you believe that the bible have been altered many centuries and still is being changed annualy, you wouldn't look for guidence in it instead you would dig the holy verses of the Qur'an. Your point is again contracding, who was the non-muslim person that you were previously qouting for? No body.....right then be advised and tell who you are? and what are you here for? Muslims only and only learn from the Qur'an in which thier IMAAM is getting increased. Yes, we listen to our parents if they order us not to look for other religions because that's what Islam teaches and obligates to obey the Muslim parents. I think the old days were a lot better than today. Take it from me, yesterday was a better than today (if you could understand the wisdom behind it) because we're getting too many fintas which indicated the time of the hour has come closer. |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Muslim I am going to take what you said about a somali teenager not being able to acquire so much intellegnce as a compliment.When I posted the the article in question it was intened so that the person who wrote " CAN YOU BE SOMALI AND NON-MUSLIM AT THE SAME TIME" would read it. I left them a message quoting from the Quran so if you don't believe me go and see for your self. Please, I beg of you, don't ever make the assumtion that I look for "guidence in the bible", this deeply offended me as a muslim person. What makes you so sure I don't know the Quran? What on earth gives you the right to judge me when you have never met me? I am very tempted to cuss you off but I am managing to to keep my self calm. It seems like you're the one not understanding "the wisdom behine it" Part of knowing who you are is knowing what you're not, try to see "the wisdom" behin that. I have tryed again and agian to explain my point to you but unfortunalty I have come to the coclusion that for you to see it, it would require more than a double digit IQ level. |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Ahmed What you're saying makes sense,but I have always been told that it was never appropriate to refer to Allah as father(directly or indirectly). I will look in to the matter with my teachers. I will let you know insha allah what they say. |
Muslim | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Aleykum! To: Alyisa I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to offend you but I was just curious. My intention was not to bother a Muslim person neither did I wanted to hurt your feelings. The proverb says curiousity killed the cat, which in this case my curiosity got me trouble and in the middle of no where. I'm asking for your forgiveness for the fact that I made such an assumtion and the judgement. That's not what I was trying to do, instead I wanted to encourage and remaind all of my fellow Muslims to thankfull to Allah and not work for DUNYA but hereafter. Once agian, I'm sorry and feel ashamed for such comments. |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To Muslim Your appology is accepted. Your right it's important that we work for eternity rather than this life. It's also important that we pray to Allah to keep in us in the right path as muslims,and to guide those who have yet to see the light. "O Allah let not our hearts deviate(from the truth) after you have guided us. Grant us mercy from your own presence. Surley you are the greatest Grantor of all bounties" |
Waliid | Unrecorded Date Salamu-Aleykum To: Alyisa You claim yourself that you are a muslim. And I can see your views and inputs that you look like a muslim. But what I missing here is that in your adds you don't start with the blessed islamic greetings such as "Asalamu Aleikum" and etc. despite You are claiming that your know the religion very good and you forgetting one of its great duties. You cann't read somali WHY? I want to know and even you cann't one somali word why? In somehow I agree with Muslim when he is claiming that you may be a non-somali muslim person and if thet the case there wouldn't be problem you can be here and participate. Pls I don't mean to offend you BUT jus curiousity ! Peace Waliid |
Asad2 | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Alaikum. As i mean every muslim person can participate of this discation. waxaan kawadaa haddii uusan qofku soomali ahayn laakiin uu diinta garanayo hacayrinina ee kusoo dhaweeya walaaltinimada islaamka, maxaayeelay allah (swt) ayaa Qur'aanka kuleh ( ina malmuuminuuna ikhwah) "muuminiintu waa walaalo" waxayna kuwalaaloobeen diinta ee maaha jinsiyad marka soo dhaweeya walaashiin adinkoo fiirinaya xag diineed laa xag soomaalinimo. Asalaamu calaykum . |
Alyisa | Unrecorded Date To waliid Aslaam Alaykum You could have saved your self the trouble of posting a message if only you had read the responses. I already answered all your questions so please read back p.s I am so used to posting articles in non-muslim forumses I forget about starting with Asalaam Alaykum, thanx for bringing it to my attention. |
MIHARBI | Unrecorded Date ASSALAMU ALLAYKUM TO: ALL IS IT JUST ME OR YOU ARE JUST DEBATING YOU OF NOTHING... WASN'T THE TOPIC "IF JESUS WAS GOD OR NOT" WELL... TO GO BACK TO THE TOPIC.. I HAVE READ THE BIBLE AND NEVER SEEN ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS SAID " I AM GOD" HOWEVER I HAVE SEEN MANY PLACES WHERE HE PRAYED TO GOD.. HE PRAYED TO GO LIKE THE MUSLIMS DO ONCE... (MADE SUJUD) Q: IF HE WAS GOD WHY WOULD HE PRAY TO HIM SELF...? OR IS 1+1+1 = 1? I DON'T THINK SO... JAZAKALAH FOR YOU TIME IF YOU READ THIS.... |
Candhaf:- Suspicious Administration | Unrecorded Date I'm not upset because of some poeple who said we're somalis who converted to christianity. Also, this doesn't alarm me and make me think that our cummunity is converting, No and thousand times No!. Those whom we hear that they converted are those whom we needed to get rid of and were extra on our community. Also, they're not somalis, simply they lost what would make them somalis which is islam. A somali person is that who is muslim and speaks somali though the second condition is not as strong. Then you would ask what's making you upset, well what's making me upset and suspcious is those who run this site, they run around and delete some topics saying it was mensioning some tribes and some of those they delete are very innocent topics that may be not related to any of what they claim, on the other hand some kafirs are attacking our religion and they're not taking any action other than the full support to them. That made me think who the hell runs this site, is it ran by muslim somalis or they're just a cover for other kafirs who run this site from behind the scense, in other words, little honey over the dirt. To: Admin, Please, do not give this kafirs a platform that they can attack us from other wise, please declare your identity. Salaamu Calaykum, Candhaf |
mel.abraham | Unrecorded Date I believe that jesus is god. and his beloved son of the father of haeven |