     Tbone99 | Unrecorded Date
Aslamu Laykum
My Dear Brothers And Sisters...
Is it Only Muslims who will Enter Heaven?
We believe that those people who believe in the oneness of Allah and the last prophet Mohamed (pbuh&hf), Allah will forgive only them eventually. But most of us are Muslims only because we are born in Muslim families i.e. by chance not by choice. I am quite sure that if we had born in India or America or elsewhere, we would have taken up that religion and the chances of converting to Islam would be pretty dim. We are lucky enough to be born in a Muslim family. The crux of the matter is that a person is molded according to his surroundings and he adopts those values and religion, which are inculcated in him. Then don't you think that those who although are not Muslims because they are not born in Muslim families but are very pious in their lives should be forgiven. If they wouldn't be then isn't it injustice with them. This question really pinches me that despite of all our bad deeds, The Almighty’ll eventually forgive us just because we read KALMA, while a person who has been very good to other people and has lead a very pious life will go into hell just because he has not inherited Islam.
Waiting for your answer
Abdinasir |
| Aisha | Unrecorded Date
Tbone99,
Dear bro/sis,
I undertand ur argument or were u r coming from, but before I answer ur question as u said that most pple inherit their religion from their parents or guardian. I also believe that every human being is born Muslim but is their parent or the saroundings he/she have been brought up that makes them a Christian, Jews, Hinduism or Budusiam etc. (see True Religion by Abuu Aminah Bilal Philips)
Every religion also teaches; it is the only TRUE RELIGION and all others are false. So one who has/wants to use his/her God given inteligents would question/challenge his religion. As all religion can not be right, as they contradic one another.
When one reaches puberty or age of judgeing things for him/herself, one should ask what makes his religion better or different from the others. But the sad thing is pple in general do not like challenge their parents religion or the values they have been brought up, it will somehow be disrespect to their parent/guardian. THE QUESTION IS, DO U WANT GET TO THE TRUETH?
So for this reason most pple stick to their religion or another reason maybe us humans do not like to know the unkown. To challenge a religion will lead to finding the unknown = is this so called religion of mine correct or how is it so different from the rest of the other religion.
So to come back to ur question if every human being goes through that process when in search of what is right in this world or the TRUE RELIGION as we believe, one would find that ISLAM is the true religion that exist today.
This process is not only for the pple who born to a non-muslim families but is also for pple who born to a Muslim families. So to the lucky of us who born to Muslim families, also we need to VALIDATE that belief that our parents have brought up to believe. When we r of age we can then say ''Laa illaha Ilaah Muhamada Rasoola lah'' by actualy believing it and trying our best to practice it too.
Is not only Muslims who will enter paradise; pple who have never heard of Islam will also enter paradise. This I mean pple who live in the jungle some where, where Islam is not heard of. But u must understand that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so is very minimal places where pple have not heard of Islam.
Also children no matter what religion they have or been brought up or think they believe will also go to Jannah without a question. Lastly the mental ill pple will also go to Jannah. But I 'm sure u know all these exceptions.
Apart from these exceptions, u must also know the unbelievers will also go to Jahanama according to their Sins. So if a person is very good but lacks the Shahadah (good unbeliever) will be judged according to his/her Sins = which is associating parners with Allah, as all other religions associate parners with Allah.
To expand bit more to that last point, if one unbeliever is killer and another is someone who is never harmed a fly then of course Allah is Most Just and will punish them according to their sins. Althought they will not enter Janah but will go to different levels of Jahanama.
We have to understand that everyone (all humans) have choice after their reach of age (what religion they want to become) may that be not believing anything, believing politics, philosophy, christianity, etc. We all have a choice to either to take aboard our parents religion or take something else altogether and one one askes us ''what religion r u'' then it is easy for any human being to say; what religion their parents brought them up to be. Even though most of us (humans) do not neccessarily believe or practice our parents religion.
For us Somalies most of us know our religion is the true religion but do we all practice the religion? well i would say no..... It is our choice whether to practice or not. whether to believe or not.
My winded point is every human being has choice: whether to go throught process of challenging their religion in order to get to the trueth. Therefore if it is our choice (whcih religion we believe/practice) then surely we have to pay for the consequences (the choosing of the wrong religion or blindly following our parents religion) of such actions.
So if one have chosen not to find the trueth then who is fault is it if they go to Jahanama? (sorry i have to be harsh but just trying to get the point accross).
HAVE U READ THE BOOKLET CALLED: TRUE RELIGION BY ABUU AMINAH BILAL PHILIPS?
If not i would advice u and everyone to read it then u will know where i'm coming from.
(One needs not only to challenge their religion but compare their religion to other religions and find out why their religion claims to be the one. Also research to other religions, find out why they also claim to be the one. If the person is willing to leave behind his/her preconcieved ideas and be open minded, then with the help of God, he/she shall find the trueth = ISLAM, TRUE RELIGION FROM GOD).
all the mistakes r from me and the trueth is from Allah.
Ur sister in faith,
Aisha |
| Rahma | Unrecorded Date
Salaamu Alaykum everyone,
I would just like to comment on what Aisha said about how some people who have never heard of Islam will enter paradise .... I believe to my knowledge that is false... If these ppl have not heard of Islam, then they don't believe in the oneness of Allah(swt) and that Mohamed(pbuh) was the last and final prophet for all of humanity.
It does not matter if where a person is living Islam is not practiced or is not prevalent. Allah(swt) will not ask us that, and will not take that as an excuse on the day of judgement.. Because it is our responsibilty to acquire knowledge..i.e. about Islam.. So it doesn't matter if u live in the Jungle or NYC, it is the duty of all those who abide on this earth to learn about Islam and to practice it... If not those ppl are kufars and Allah only knows where they will end up. Allah sent Mohamed(pbuh) to the entire human race, such that the entire human race could become Muslims..
Jazakullah Khayra |
| caraweelo | Unrecorded Date
Great question- I always wonder about that.
Here is what I think...........
Only ALLAH (swt) can judge who will or won't enter his forgiveness. Not us.
No one knows who will enter paradise except Our Creator, Allah.
All each individual can do is his/her best actions and pray ALLAH (swt) accepts it.
As they say, worry about your own not someone elses. There is no covenant!
Let us stay away from judging who will or will not enter paradise. By judging others, we may commit a sin, unknowingly, we may insult/hurt unknowingly. We then may loose some of the good deeds we have tried hard to accumulate. I think judging others is a serious sin because it leads to arrogance, contempt, backbiting, belittling others, etc. We can not judge another because we do not know what is in their heart or what their intent is. |
| Aisha | Unrecorded Date
To my sis Rahma,
May be u have misunderstood me or I did not make myself very clear regarding the pple who will enter Paradise cuz they have never heard Islam. These pple I'm refering to r (cawaanka), pple who r not educated i.e run around nacked and have no knowledge what so ever regarding this world or here after. These pple have no knowledge that any religion exist, therefore in my opinion can not go through the process of challenging their religion as they have none.
To be honest with u I can not pin point where i read this but when i do find the evidence to support this I will let u know Insha Allah.
Sister, when u dissagree with me, do u urself have an evidence to support ur argument? if yes i would like to hear that in order to benefit from you.
Allah knows best
Ur sis
Aisha |
| Tbone99 | Unrecorded Date
My dear brother & sisters
Assalaam Alaikum
Dear Aisha,
I agree with what you had to say mostly, and I understand totally where you coming from. We both have the same believes. But Rahma and I don't agree the fact that you said people who never heard of the Religion Islam will enter Heaven. And I will tell you what I think of those people and everyone else on this earth at the end of this letter and Insha-Allah give you details. Thank you very much for your time and sharing with us your point of view of this topic. Jazaka Allahkhayr!
P.S. First, I am a brother not a sister, pardon me for not making that clear. But I believe I have mention my name on the bottom of my earlier posted question, (Abdinasir). I just want to make that clear for you. Secondly, I will answer you question you asked earlier about reading such book. No, I have not read the book call TRUE RELIGION BY ABUU AMINAH BILAL PHILIPS? But I will put that on my list, and I would appreciate if you tell me where I can find it. Again thank you!
Dear Rahma,
I also agree with what you had to say sist and I feel the same way. Thank you for your comments. Jazaka Allahkhayran!
Dear Carawelo,
We are not judging nobody, we don't have such power to do so, indeed Allah is the only one. But we only discussing and x changing ideas, knowledge and wisdom. Also, thank you very much and Jazaka Allahkhayr for your advise and point of view!
****************NOW, HERE IS WHAT I REALLY THINK!
My question pertains to success in the hereafter. I must tell you that success in the hereafter does not depend on whether the world knew me as a Muslim or a non-Muslim. It is whether I really was a Muslim or a non-Muslim. "Muslim" means a person who submits to the will of God as you know.
What one believes in, largely depends on what he thinks and knows to be true. And that in turn, would depend on his knowledge and exposure. An honest person, who with all his honesty searched for and submitted to God's will, is a true Muslim. And only that "Muslim" qualifies for Jannah.
Yes, I do agree with Aisha, that we, Muslims(?) have a certain advantage if we approach the issue from the perspective I have mentioned in my earlier posted. But this advantage, places a very big responsibility on our shoulders too. Now, a Muslim is also responsible for showing the right path to those who have gone astray. (This does not mean that he/she should start preaching and teaching the non-muslims. The Qur'an tells us that this is not the responsibility of Muslim individuals, it is rather the responsibility of the whole Ummah.) If we do not fulfill our responsibility, it maybe that the so called Musalmans are collectively held responsible for those who went astray just because the Musalmans, as a group did not meet their responsibility.
Who knows, when the curtain is ultimately raised on the Day of Judgment, many whom we thought and knew as Muslims, are amongst the Kafirs... just because of their attitude of infidelity.... and many of those whom we knew as non-Muslims are found among the Muslims, just because of their true submission to (whatever they honestly thought to be) the will of God...
The day of Judgment would be a day of absolute justice. No one will be able to object regarding the ultimate justice done by Allah. No one will be punished, because he lacked knowledge. There are two basic qualities that will be judged:
1. whether one really searched for the truth; and
2. whether one submitted to what he believed was true.
On the other hand, two qualities are bound to doom a person:
1. if he was careless in his search for the truth; and
2. his arrogance in submitting to the truth.
Now, sisters, you can surely see that from my perspective view, Muslims and non-Muslims, stand on the same grounds. We, as Muslims do not have any advantage, besides the one which puts a heavy responsibility on our shoulders. While the non-Muslims do not have any disadvantage, besides the one, for which they may be given a lot of allowance.
Wasalamu Laykum!
Insha-Allah, if we are wrong then May Allah forgives us all… Aamin. And May Allah increase our knowledge, Imaan, Health and Happiness.
Indeed, Allah knows Best!
Your brother in Islam,
Abdinasir
Peace! |
| Rahma | Unrecorded Date
Salaamu Alaykum everyone,
walaalo Abdinasir.... there was a woman by the name of Asia who lived a very long time ago.. she was the wife of the Pharaoh.. So you see she lived way before Islam was around. But she believed with all her heart and soul that there was only one God , Allah(swt) and she refused to believe her husband's claims that he was God(istakfurallah)
So she used to pray to Allah everyday and she would beg Him to rid her of this evil man... Thus Allah made her one of the blessed women in Islam along with Aisha and Mariam(radiallahu Anhu) So, when we say Islam we mean total submission to Allah and that entails everything he said and everything he has decreed.. These ppl today although may be kind hearted, don't believe in Muhammad(pbuh) as the last prophet.. They believe that Isa is the son of God(istakfurallah) so u see these ppl are placing partners with Allah and that is the # 1 violation...
Prophet Mohamed said in the Hadeeth( I can't remember the verse # right now) but,
"Mun Qala Lailaha Ilallah, Daqala Janna"
I don't know if what I've said makes any sense...
And if Im wrong, then May allah forgive me..
Jazakullah Khayra
PS: I love your name..Abdinasir..very cool!! |
| Tbone99 | Unrecorded Date
Aslamu Laykum All
Dear Rahma,
Indeed you are right my sista, I read about that woman name Assiya (pbwh)wife of Pharoah in a Hadith reported by Anas:
WOMEN OF PARADISE
The Messenger of Allaah, salla Allaahu alaihi wa sallam, said: 'The best women of mankind are four: Mariam daughter of `Imraan, Assiya wife of Pharaoh, Khadija daughter of Khuwailid, and Fatima the daughter of the Messenger of Allaah.' [Bukhari and Muslim]
I am very flatter that you like my name…thank you very much. You have a beautiful name yourself!
Sincerely,
your brother in Islam,
Abdinasir
Wasalamu Laykum! |
| Aisha | Unrecorded Date
Dear brother Tbone99,
Firstly, thanx for making ur gender clear for me, but I addressed u as; bro/sis and most definetely did not know which either one u were and did not call u a sister. Nevertheless, thanx for ur clarity.
Jaza ka la khayr for ur posting and staring this discussion and I, myself do agree with most of what u said. But we disagree in one part as u pointed out urself which is; I said CAWAANKA will go to Janaha because they have no knowledge of Islam or any religion for that matter.
On one of ur posting u said:
''No one will be punished, because he lacked knowledge.''
Well this is exactly what I'm talking about, (regarding cawaanka going to Janah cuz they did not know any better), how does one who is CAWAAN seek knowlegde when around him there is nothing there, plus pple who are CAWAAN do not develop a good mentality in order to challenge/question the existing of the world around them.
Again quoting ur words, u said;
''What one believes in, largely depends on what he thinks and knows to be true. And that in turn, would depend on his knowledge and exposure. .....''
Focusing on ur last sentence, pple who r CAWAAN r NOT exposed to any knowledge of Islam or any religion for that matter and r in dark. So this again can give u an idea of why I firmly believe those pple will go to Janah.
Abu Amiinah Bilal Philips is an excellent Author and well known Sheikh around the world, who gives talks and conferences. He is Black African American convert. I do not know about the rest of the world but in the UK, u can buy any of his books from any Islamic book shop. May I add I'm a big fan of his and read most of his books.
Sorry, I have not yet located my proof or where I read it regarding CAWAANKA going to Janah. But Insha Allah when I do u (Tbone & Rahma) will be the first to know.
May Allah forgive us all if we pass our boundaries.
Ur sister in faith,
Aisha |
| Tbone99 | Unrecorded Date
Dear Aisha,
I see where you going with this and I understand what you ment by CAWAAN now and I agree with you. Thank for the explaining. I myself agree with you now that you quoted from me and explain it to me. I think we were talking about the samething all along but I misundertood the term Cawaan. But now I know. Of course they wont go to jahanam because they have no knowledge. I agree with you 100%!
Thanks~!
Wasalmau laykum |
| Aisha | Unrecorded Date
Dear brother Tbone,
At last.................. we have understood each other, Alhamdu li laah!
Anyway, thank you for your postings and really appreciate your ideas/way thinking. You asked the pple a question and then u answered ur own question ......i like that!........
Ur sister in faith,
Aisha |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 10:40 am
What if only Christians who believe Jesus is Lord will go to heaven? |
| Mohammed | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 02:56 pm
We have to understand that heaven is property of Allah ,who ever Allah enter hin heaven will go to heaven most of the people think that if you are muslim you will certinly will go to heaven thAT IS NOT TRUE.WE have to read books more then you will know what you talking about.It is onlyb Allah who will decide who will go to heaven we dont know nothing about it,that is why it is mentioned in Quran that some people will see people who were seem to be bad people in World are in heaven then asking how they went to Heaven then Allah will tell them That He knows which we dont know so do not jump to conclusions |
| coolman. | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 09:08 pm
anonymous.
I don't know what you read.. from these..postings..but don't get your hopes high..unless you have in mind the true religion.. the only acceptable one to Allah.. and that is Islam... others are nothing but a mirage..and false...
<3.85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islám (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost. >.
About Jesus...
<5.72 Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.>....
If you got confused..about the subject at hand.. I have more to clear your confusion... |
| Ahmed | Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 11:37 pm
I am very impressed with the quality of discussion on this page , the mutual respect that each writer has for the other and the lack of humilating comments that you find in ALL of the other pages in Somalinet.
This proves that Somali's are GOD fearing as the page is entitled ISLAM , but also hypercritical as
ALLAH would not approve of some of the comments that we find on the other pages. |
