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Ahmad

Unrecorded Date
Asalama Alaykum ALL!


I just read 'Yaska`s' post saying that "Salaadda aad sheegaysid miyaanad ogayn in Nabi
muhamed (s.c.w) in uu ummadda Baray?Qur'aanku ma odhan labo tukadda subaxa, 4
tukadda duhurka, 4-tukada casirka ...iwm.. Qur'aanku wuu Yidhi: Wa aqiimu salaata!!!
laakiin sidee loo oogayaa? Qur'aanka ayaa wax sharciyeeya ee Nabi Mohamed Wax ma
sharciyeeyo??? Is that Right?"

You see, the worst thing that can happen to somebody...is being LOST(by
ignorance)---and not even knowing your own Holy Book.

Salat existed BEFORE Muhammad(Pbuh)---even the Arabian Pagans prayed Salat, so did
the Christians, so did the Jews. Salat came from Abraham...it was not something that
Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) started teaching. As everything else in pre-Islam, it was
distorted by the people. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, only
re-constructed what has been forgotten.

I, too, used to think that salat is not in the Qur`an...and that the Prophet initiated it...with
in hadiths. Well, nothing could be more wrong, as the following verses teach us---when
to pray:


DAWN(Fajr):

"24.58. O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the
children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done
in three instances - before THE DAWN Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to
rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is
not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus clarifies the revelations
for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise." THE LIGHT(Nur)!


NOON(Duhur):

"17.78. You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its
highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also
observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed."
NIGHT JOURNEY(Isra)!


AFTERNOON(Casar):

"2.238. You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer,
and devote yourselves totally to GOD."(this is why...masjids don't agree on WHEN to
pray this prayer...because it must be between noon and sunset---with no specific time
mentioned...many pray BETWEEN in exact, as the verse implies!)


SUNSET(Maqrib):

"11.114. You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at BOTH ends of the day, and
during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for
those who would take heed." HUD!


NIGHT(Cishaa):

Once again, "24.58. O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants
and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to
be done in three instances - before the dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your
clothes to rest, and after the NIGHT PRAYER. These are three private times for you. At
other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus
clarifies the revelations for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise." THE LIGHT(Nur)!

It is a very fact...that ALL of these are mentioned by name in the Arabic recitation.

About how many units of the prayer, this was NEVER a dispute. The pagans did it for 2,
4, 4, 3, and 4. The only thing they did was...THEY distorted the times(when). And, by the
time Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) brought the Qur`an, they were doing it whenever they
wished. They also distorted what to say...and how to say it, etc. Which once again, the
Qur`an came to tell.

Muslims of today, probably every two sect prays differently. YET, they all agree on the
17 units of the prayers. They dispute what to say...and how to say it, etc.

If you read the book “Jewish Ancient prayer” by Rabbi Honson, you’ll see that the
ancient Israelites prayed EXACTLY the same as we pray(2, 4, 4, 3, and 4)....and also the
book “To Pray As a Jew: A Guide to the Prayer Book and the Synagogue Service.” By
Hayim Halevy Donin! This book, you’ll even see how they prayed JUST like us.
Same with the book “an Arabian prayer: a pre-islamic way of praying” by Hamood
Hisham. You’ll see how the Arabian pagans prayed...2, 4, 4, 3, and 4.
Don’t forget, in the Qur`an, God only repeated what was distorted---He did not repeat
what was not distorted, as it wouldn’t be a news.

This is one of the worst things people claim when they what to observe...anything beside
the Qur`an. “Well, the Qur`an is incomplete”---Well, it IS complete! It’s complete...and
has ALL that one needs to be Muslim.

A Madinian Jews came to the Prophet---they asked him...where he thought they went
wrong. And he told them in their books(talmud, tanakh*jewish bible,* etc) where the
Prophets of God are lied against their will! Same with Arabia...after Ishmael and Kedar
died, the Arabs began telling lies about their righteous men---and it was those lies that
really distroyed them in belief. Yet, when both of them the Prophet told them the
Truth---that this is not good...they attacked him. Jews started being his enemy...and the
Arabs casted him out---all because he said “do not worship anyone but God.”

The most important thing in Islam after the declaration of faith(shahadah) is the
salat...and it’s been distorted over and over and over and over again...by every sect that
comes along, when it’s ALL in the Qur`an. People mention other names in the salat(like
Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat. They’re praying for these people in the
Salat---who said they should?(can’t they do that at a latter time?) Is salat something that
you just do...out of the heck of it? or is it a practice...that you do, according to God?
People do alot of things...without really even knowing! Ask the Christians---they literally
pray to Jesus and Mary as God(and mother of God)...yet they do not even know(that it’s
harmful)...and they’ll be punished for it...because they SHOULD! I’ll post what to say in
the salat, at a later time---even though you may not be interested! Each sect is sorta
happy with whatever its hadiths brought! There are good hadiths, many many many of
them---those that agree with the Qur`an...and do not forbid that which has not been
forbideen in the Qur`an...and those that bring history---with no religious ruling...or
harm/inharm.


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Ahmad waxaad tidhi:

" People mention other names in the
salat(like
Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT
TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat."

Halkaa xoogaa ma ii sharxi kartaa ama ii faahfaahin kartaa waxa aad ula jeeddo?

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Ansaari

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Asalaamun Calaa Man Itabacal Hudaa!

Waxaad tiri:

The most important thing in Islam after the declaration of faith(shahadah) is the
salat...and it's been distorted over and over and over and over again...by every sect that
comes along, when it's ALL in the Qur`an. People mention other names in the salat(like
Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat.

Nabbi Muxamed laguma magacaabi karo salaada miyaad tiri? Walaa Ibrahim?
Maxaad ulajeedaa qurunkan aad meesha soo dhigtay?
_____________________


Waryaa iisheeg kitaabka halka aay kaga taal salaada markii la tukanayo ha la istaag halugu tukado? markii lasalaama naqsanayana midigta markahore haloo salaama naqsado?

Waxaad meel cad uga dhaceysaa Sunnaddii Rasuulka,

War ma ogtahay in nabigu wax alle wixii uu yiraa ineey yihiin hanuun & waxyi xag Rabbi looga soo direy?


Horta adiga yaa Quraafaadka kuu soo dhigay?

Waxaad tahay miyaa kuwa islamka ku qaraabta ee Kufaarta ah ee la baxay "SUBMITTERS"

….Luuqluuq maroow lazim laamiguu imaahaa! timidba!

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!

TO: Walaalkiin,

Walaalkiis, Salaadu ma`aha DUCO--ma`ahan wax aad adiga iska suubisid(ama qof kale u suubisid) waa wax ALLE oo kaliya iska lee yahay. Salaadu waa xasuusasho ALLE u gaar ah---iyo xoojin ruuxda qofka islamka ah. Ma`aha duco aad iska aqrinayso...oo cidii aad rabto aad ugu ducaynayso.

Surratul Da-ha, ayada 14, Alle wuxuu inoo sheegayaa in Salada la oogo...oo ASAGA lagu xasuusto.

Hadana, maanta, firqo walba waxay ku darsatey---qof ay ugu ducayso...dhexdeeda. Alle wuxuu sameeyay "DUCAA" in wax lagu ducaysto---dadkana loogu duceeyo. Salaaduna---ASAGA kaliya baa iska leh!

Markay xayawaanka qalayaan(ILAA Suniga iyo Wahabiyada mooye) inta kale...magac kale bay ku daraan---sida "Allahu akbar, wa Muhammadan rasulihi" or "Alahu akbar, wa Aliyun imamul ummah" or "Alahu Akbar, wa abaabnal Ibraahiim"---blah blah blah! Waxaas oo dhan waa shirki. Alle wuxuu lee yahay wax yaabo...aan magaciisa mooyee wax kale lagu xusin, dadkuse ma maqlayaan taas?


Ansaari,


Walaalkiis, hadii aad tahay Muslim wanaagsan---is waydii--waa maxay saladu? yaa loo tukadaa? maxay u taagan tahay? markaad su'aalahaan uga jawaabtid naftaada(adigoo qur`aanka kaashanaya)...waad helaysaa jawaabtaada!

Muhammad(Pbuh) ma`uusan ahayn wax ka wayn Nebi Alle. Alle baa abuurtay...siduu anaga noo abuurtay. dhamaantayana(MACAA Muhammad) waxaa nalaga rabaa inaan ALLE caabudno, asaga kaligiis. Waa maxay islam oo dhanba? In Alle la caabudo...asaga keligiis! Nebigeena waa inaan jeclaanaa...waa inaan u duceynaa asaga iyo reerihiisii iyo asxaabtiisiiba. Laakiin, halkee taas lagu sameeya? SALADU waa wax Alle u qaas ah---sida Zakada, Soomka, Xajka, iwm. dhamaan wax ALLE kaligiis loo sameeyo!

Ansaari, sidaan horeyba u iri---waxaas oo dhan waxay ahaayeen...WAX ku jiray salaada. Salaadii DADKU(Yehuda, Qurayshta, Kiristaaniyiinta) ay tukan jireen. LAAKIIN, sida maanta ummad badan oo Muslimiin ah tahay---salaadii wa`ay ku cayaareen...dad kale bay ku dareen, weysadii bay qaldeen, iwm. Nebigana waa tii Alle ku yiri: "Dheh; salaadayda, wixii aan qalo(gowraco), noloshayda iyo dhimashadaydaba...waa wax u ahaaday Alle, Rabbiga koonka." ANCAAM!


Walaalkiis, Nebigu hal eray oo KITAABKA aan loogu soo naxyoon madhihin---wax allaale wixii uu yiri...waa wax KITAABKA waafaqsan; taas fahan.

Quraafaad? Kitaabka raac iyo wixii xadiis ah oo ku raacsan...waa quraafaad? I can't help but remember the EXACT words being said to Prophet Muhammad by the Arabian Pagans(Abu lahab) to be specific. Quraafaad, that is a very famous word, is it not?

"Submitters"??? that is Muslimiin...in English---so what is your point? I like saying "MUSLIM" instead of "submittor"...cause my tongue has got used to it!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!*>.<*

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Yaska

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Salaamu Calaykum yaa ikhwatul filislaam;

TO Ahmad-Gaal;

First and for mostly you are now out, out from the cache where you were hiding, and It is One way ticket, your game has been played!!.

You wrote: "Salat existed BEFORE Muhammad(Pbuh)---even the Arabian Pagans prayed Salat, so did
the Christians, so did the Jews. .......The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, only
re-constructed what has been forgotten." !!!! wuf!! Is it a dream or it is Hadaladii kiristaankii qarnigii 16aad, 17aad, 18aad, 19aad.. ilaa qanigan 2oaad!!>>>> WAXYAABAHA AY KIRISTAANKU KU DOODAAN WAXAA KAMID AHA ARINTA KOR KU XUSAN:ISLAM ISN'T DIVINE WORD IS JUST!!!some COPIED/DRIVED/FABRICATED from judaism and christianity...

Your main Target:
Meesha ay u dig iyo damlaynayaana waxaa weeye in aanu Islaamku ahayn wax cusub ama diin cusub ee uu yahay uun wax muhamed ka bartay carabtii kiristaanka ahayd iyo yuhuudii la noolayd.

Weapon and ammunition:
Sirata Nabi Mohamed(s.c.w), waa mid ka cad cadceeda uma baahna maanta in Kiristaan anaga noo dhigo, ama noo sheego what is wrong and what is right.>>>> Khaladaadka ugu weyn ee ay (MUSHTASHRIQIINU(ORIENTALIST):-Gaaladda Islaamka Barat)a ay sameeyaan waxaa weeye Waxay isku dayaan in diinta Islaamka la waafajiyo Diintooda Kirtiyaanatiga ama Yuhuudda.


Father-Ahmad!!! You know Edward Said, and his book too (Orientalism published 1979)!!, Ma ogtahay in Maktabadda Islaamku Qani ka tahay mowduucyadan aad u soo meermeeranayso, Imisa Kitaab oo islaami ah ayaa laga qoray, Mushtashriqiinta-oriantalists. Imisa Caalim oo Islaam ah ayaa ka hadlay,-----> Do you think somalis aren't aware what is going on?.

you are 26 years old somalian, come here(abroad) so young age, couldn't learnt somali and quran BUT LEART as much as possible christianity and judaism....for just to know your enemy's faiths and literature..!! We need here mathematicians and criminalogists!!!!! what is the probability of telling........man!?

TO Ansaari, Walaalkiin;
Ikhwatul filislaam Ninka waa la ogaaday wuxuu yahay, wuxuu qorayo, iyo waxa uu raadinayaba, waa qolooyinka gaaladda ee Islaamka barata, ilaa xitaa ay gaareen in ay iyagu islaamka metelaan oo ay jaamacadaha iyo shirarkaba ku hadlaan magaca islaamka.

Mowduucyadda iyo Qusacbalaadkan uu shubayaba waxaa laga heli karaa literatures ay qoraan ragan mushtashriqiintu(orientlaism). Insha Allah waanan idiin soo qori doonaa waxay qoraan iyo kuwii lagu radiyayba.

Xadiis baa sax ah, iyo xadiis baa marfuuc ah, ama gariib ah ma yaqaano, Talaabada ugu horeysaba ma ictiraafsana culuumul xadiiska iyo wuxuu la yimidba markaa waxay isku dayeen in ay qur'anka ka horkeenaan xadiista kadibna halkaa Tanaaqud ka tusaan oo ay dhahaan markii hore miyaanan odhan Islaamku waxaa wax Sheeko baraley uu Muhamed la yimid!!!!

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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Asalaamun Calaa Man Itabacal Hudaa!

MUHIIM:(codsi: Wada aqri sheekada inta aadan meelo kale ka u gudbin)

Ninka Axmed la baxay filimkiisi wuu qarxay. Ciddii soo dirteyna way ku fashilmeen mishinkan. Banaanka ayuu hadda iskeenay. Waana GAAL aan shaki ku jirrin, waayo qofka sunadda Nabiga diida, kamid maahin ummada muslimiinta.

Waxaan muddo ugu jirey KEYNTA, si dushana kala socday dhaqdhaqaaqyadiisa ku wajahan Forumyadda Islaamka qaasatan kuwa ehlu sunniga.

Alxamdu Lillaah waan soo helay, qaar kaloo badan waan soo wadaa.

Waxaan markaa walaalaha muslimiinta ka codsanayaa in aay haddiiba go'aan ka gaarin arrinka balse aay xaqiiqda raadiyaan. Waxaan idiin hayaa waxyaalo (xog) aad isticmaali kartid iyo meelaha uu farihiisu yaalo.

Ninkan wuxuu ka tirsanyahay urur la yiraahdo Submitters, magac jinigan waxaay kawadaan waa ISLAM, ka cararid aay ka cararayaan magaca ISLAM oo ah JUST AF CARABI.

Waxaa ka dambeeya oo fan gareeya yuhuuda, waxaa loo abuuray in aay dumiyaan tafaraaruq & dhantaalna ku ridaan Diinta Islaamka, si loola soo simo tan yuhuuda & Nasaaradda (yacnii hadba waqtiga jira la qabsato).

Urur shaydaankan Waxaa aas-aasay nin Coptic masaari ah oo horey muslim u aheyn balse gaal ahaa oo layiraahdo Dr. RASHAAD KHALIFAH. Waxaay la baxaan.

Sunnada Rasuulka daaqada ayeey ka tuureen, wax xijaab la dhaho ma jiraan, salaada si gooni ayeey u tukadaan, shanta waqtina lama tukado, xajka si kale ayeey ugutaan, wax walba oo maanta jira waa khalad oo waxaay wataan thier own version.

Sharciyo aay ayagu sameeysteen ayeey ku dhaqmaan oo aay dadka ugu sheekeeyaan waa sidii ASLIGA aheyd ee saxda aheyd. Waxaay isku mid yihiin FARAKHANIISIMKA (Nation of Islam).

Wuxuu ka tirsan yahay urur la yiraahdo FREE-MINDS oo Site ku leh internetkan.

Ikhwaati fil Islaam, arka oo booqda sida xun ee aay Diinta Alle ugu xadgudbeen, sunnada Rasuulka u dafireen, sideey rabaana u isticmaaleen.

Bal booqo Boggan: http://www.free-minds.org/Islam.htm

Ninka la baxay Axmed wuxuu had & goor ku wareegeystaa foorumadda Islaamka, qaasatan kuwa sunigu maamulaan.

Meelaha qaarkood waa laga eryey, waana laga tirtirey waxyaabaha uu soo dhigay markii la arkey.

Wuxuu hadda ku wareegeystaa IG-Forum (Islamic Gateway Forum).

Bal inta aad booqatid meesha http://www.ummah.net/forums oo raadi: magaca Ahmad Ali (waa asaga) mowduuca uu soo dhigay meesha ee layiraahdo ABOUT SUBMITTERS/SUBMISSION" uuna soo dhigay 19.nov.99. Akhii fil Islaam ishaada ayaa kuu macalin ah. Markaad tagtid Homepagekooda akhrisid, deedna arag submitters (waa sida aay isugu yeeraan ayaga).

Mowduucyadda uu soo dhigay halkaa waa aay badan yihiin, qaar kalena waa laga saaray. Wuxuu intii la doono isku dayaa inuu meesha isku qariyo. Waxaa jira nin aay isku mabda' yihiin oo layiraahdo LAYTH (Aqri xataa qoraalada LAYTH)oo aay isla shaqeeyaan isku mabda'na yihiin.

Waxaad kaloo tagtaa Forumka As-Sunnah Founadation Of America loo soo gaabsho (ASFA), lehna cinwaankan: http://www.sunnah.org/forums/lenter.htm deedna raadi Ahmed Ali and WHAT IS ISLAM?, waxuuna oo dhiga wiigii hore, ka raadi under search and write the topic in the felt. Ninkaan xataa hadduu khariyo magicíisa lama garan waayin qaab dhaqmeedka qoraaladiisa.

Waa ay badan yihiin..farna kama qodna..
Markaa walaalayaal DON'T LET HIM FOOL YOU!. Waxaad kaliya ku caawisaan oo kaliya Alle u barya in uu soo hanuuno!

Haddii aad rabtaa bog ka sheekeynaya taariikhda forqadan "SUBMITTERS" Insha'Allah gadaal ayaan idiinka keenayaa cinwaanka.

Boggan ASFA raggii asaga ka waaweynaa ee soo diray ayaa laga aryey, waxna ma soo dhigi karaan. Kana waxaa lagu yiri orod oo soomaalida u tagag, waxaa dhici karta in aay la socdaan dad kale oo af-ingiriisi ku qora si aay ugu noqdaan HIS WINGMEN!

Markaa walaalayaal iska jira. Ishiina ayaa macallin idiin ah. Waadna u jeedaan wuxuu kor ku qoray. Xijaabka dumarka qaataan xataa ma aay ogola.

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Walaalkiin

Unrecorded Date
Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Ahmad iga raali ahow laakiin weli ma garan hadalkaaga ah:

" People mention other names in the
salat(like
Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT
TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat."

Waxaad tilmaantay XOOLO la qalayo! Maxaa iska galay xoolo la qalayo iyo Salaad?

Weli Ahmadow ma garan meesha ay "" People mention other names in the salat(like Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat."

Fadlan tusaale ma iga siin kartaa waxa aad ula jeeddo?

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Ahmad

Unrecorded Date
Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!

Yaska,

You're missing the point---i'm telling you...that ISLAM(the religion of GOD) was always there...from ADAM to MUHAMMAD. Weligeedna dadku way qaldi jireen...FROM ADAM TO MUHAMMAD. This is my point! The religions of Judaism and Christianity ARE a corrupted Islam. They believe that there is ONE God...and they believe many other things in Islam---but they corrupted the religion...its books...its rituals!

So, it's true---many Muslims think Islam has began when Muhammad was chosen as a Prophet---but NO...it began with ADAM. This is my point, but can you get that? You probably...won't!


Ansaari,

LOL! Meel kasta oo aan tagay---waa meel ISLAM ah...meel kasta oo aan tagayna---STILL I belief the same message...so what is your point??? I DO visit alot of forumss...is that illegal?

Markii milyanaad---ma diidani sunnada Nebiga...laakiin waan diidanahay wixii kitaabka ka hor imaanaya. Islam ma`aha "SUNI" Kaliya, Walaalkiis---mid kastana wuxuu lee yahay...wax yaabo uga duwan firqada kale, INCLUDING hadiths.

Ninka LAYTH aad leedahay iyo aniga isku madba manihin---wuxuu aaminsan yahay inay XADIIS jirin---wuxuu aaminsan yahay in RASUUL KALE jiro, iwm. Dadka ha nabsan, walaalow. Marka Islaamku fahmo---inuu Nebi Muhammad ahaa the last Prophet or Messanger...Muslims will know exactly what is what.

Waad jeclaan lahayd inaan qolo ka tirsanaado, soo ma`aha? WELL, I'm not part of anybody---so that is that! Diinta Islaamka waxaan ka bartaa wixii Islam ah oo dhan---laakiin "free-minds" dadka ah...kuma tilmaami karo "ISLAM". If they believe that somebody was a Messanger other than Muhammad---they're out of the boundaries of Islam!


You see, Ansaari, people before you did this---when they can't face the truth...they look for another way to get out of it...like attacking. Remember the Quraysh? The People of Abraham? AND ALL other people that were lost?...the first thing they do---is they call you "unbeliever" AS I SAID, the day repeats itself! Muslims do not call anybody Kuffaar---UNLESS the person rejects Muhammad or the Qur`an. I wonder what you will be telling God when he asks you---"where you in his heart...to call him unbeliever?"...and I KNOW for sure your soul won't lie! So, enjoy...telling lies and more lies and some more, while you can! :-)


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Anonymous

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ku.axmed.
bal sheeg cida aad wax kabaroto halagu maqlee maxaad u qarqarinaysaa mabda'aaga,suni matihid shiici matihid maxaa sadexeeya?.
mawa xaad tahay nin asugu manhaj cusub wata?.
waad mudan tahay in lagu tuhmo.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!

Annonymous,

Runtii, Annonymous---waxaan ka qaataa wixii Kitaabka aaminsan. Madhab waxaan Qur`aanka ka ahyn oo aan lee yahay majirto. Dadka i yaqaana...badankood waxay ii maleeyaan "SUNI" sababtoo ah dhaqankayga baa u badan---Laakiin waxaa xaqiiq ah...SIDA aad adba halkan ku aragtid...inaanan Sunni ahayn. Sunni waa firqada kaliya...oo aan wax badan ku raacsanahay. That doesn't mean i'm Sunni! Waxaa jirta wax yaabo aan Shiico ku raacsanahay.

Cidaan wax ka barto? ISLAM oo dhan---markaasna wixii Kitaabka ka soo horjeeda...waan iska leexiyaa...wixii kalena...waan qaataa!

Tuhun? Ask me if I care? I live for God...Not for the people, Annonymous! If i'm right, it's good for me in the last day...and if i'm wrong, it's bad for me in the last day.


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Anonymous

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ku.axmed.
asalamu calykum.
kuma waydiin mad'hab ee waxaan ku waydiiyay cidii kaaga horaysay fikradaadan ama kula qabta in quraanka kaliya (not sunnah)shareecada laga qaato?.don't hesitate make it clear.

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Ahmad

Unrecorded Date
Asalama Calaykum dhamaantiin!


Annonymous,

"bal sheeg cida aad wax kabaroto halagu maqlee maxaad u qarqarinaysaa mabda'aaga,suni matihid shiici matihid maxaa sadexeeya?." baad i waydiisay...hadii jawaabteydu aysan taas ka jawaabin, sorry!

That's our problem---Weligay madhihin...ka taga sunnada---waxaan iri...ka qaata wixii Qur`aanka raacsan. Sunnada=wax NEBIGA ka yimid. Qur`aanka=wax ALLE ka yimid. KEE labadooda mid ka kale lagu raacaa???

Prophet Muhammad hadii uu dhihi lahaa wax Qur`aanka ka badalan, Alle wax dambe uma soo waxyoodeen---ALLE baa sidaa ku yiri Qur`aankiisa!

Cida iiga horeeysay...waxa aan aaminsanahay??? Sidaan horeyba kuugu sheegay...anigu waxaan ahay mad`habyo badan oo isku jira---meeshee rabtaa inaan kuu kala faaleeyo??? SUNIGA iyo SHIICADABA waxay dadka baraan in la qaato "sunnada Nebiga wixii kitaabka waafaqsan" marka sheekada haysato firqo kale! HHAHHAHAHAHAH! Sh. Ali Suufi baa hada ka hor waxaa la waydiiyay baa la yiri: "sheeqow, waad og tahay inay jiraan firqooyin badan...oo Islam ah---hadaba in kasta oo aan Kitaabka isku raacsanahay...waxaa jira xadiisyo ay wataan oon isku qilaafsanahay...hadaba see yeelnaa???" wuxuu yiri..."Ka qaata wixii Qur`aanka waafaqsan---wixii kalena ka taga". Sidoo kale, Imam Jacfar Al-Sadiiq baa la waydiiyay su`aal tii hore u dhow...wuxuuna ku jawaabay---"Qur`aanka baa ah cadayntiina...asagaa cadeeya wixii mugdi ku jiro---Qur`aanka indho ka dhigta aad wax ku aragtaan"...Mahad Alle bay u sugnaatey!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ansaari

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Axmed!

Wax Ma Maqle!.

Argumentkaadu waa dhaciif.

Balse maalin aan maanta aheyn ayaad ka shaleeyn doontaa.

Kitaabka kaliyaan ku dhaqmayaa, sunnadana ku dhaqmi maayo!. Adiga ayeey ku dhibeysaa, NOT others.

Marka hore Xadiista saxiixa ah oo ka hor-imaanaya KITAABKA ALLE majiro. Taas laabtaada ka saar. Xadiisu xadiis ma ahan hadduu Kitaabka is-hortaago.

Allaah swt wuxuu quraanku ku yiri Salaada Ooga, laakiin sida loo ogayo kitaabka kuma qorna, balse waxaa nabaray Xabiibka scw.

Markaa waxaad tiri waan tukudaa, soow maaha?
OK!, Haddii aad dukatid, ma fadhigaad ku dukataa mise, jiifka mise ISTAAGA?
haddiise aad istaaga ku dukatid, ii sheeg xaggeey uga qoran tahay Kitaabka istaaga halugu dukado? & weliba sida loo dukanayo?

Salama-naqsiga waxaa u horeeya dhanka midigta oo loo salaama noqsado. Saas adigu mayeeshaa, haddii aad yeeshana ii sheeg meesha aay Kitaabka kaga Qoran tahay.

Ninyahoow Nabiga scw wax kasta oo uu ku hadlo, na faro waa WAXYI minallaah, iskama hadlo iskama sheego wax walba illaa xag Rabbi laga idmo mooyee.

Waxaa jira 1000 waxyaalood oo sidaas oo kale ah Kitaabka Qur'aanka naloogu sheegay, balse Xabiibka noo jilciyay, nabarayna HOW, When, and WHY.

Waxaan ku dhaqmayaa KITAABKA oo kaliya ma soconeyso!

1 - Daliil ma haysataa in uu qalad yahay, saliga Ibraahimiyada ah & Ducooyinka in aan lag dari karin SALAADA???? La imoow daliil cad. Mida kale haddii lagu daro ma IDOL-WORSHIPERS miyaa??? (si toosa uga jawaab su'aashan, ha ismoodsininee)

mida kale Sunni "sect" ma ahan, ee waa darriiqa Alle & Nabigiisa inoo jideeyeen. Ciddii ka leexato weeye "SECT". shiica, Axmadiya, Submitters, Quraaniyiinta, and so on kulli bidcanimo & gaalnimo ayeey salka ku hayaan.

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Yaska

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Salaamu Calaykum Yaa ikhwatul filcaqiidda

To Ansaari;

Jazaakumulaahil Kheyral jazaa, Wa nasalu Laahi Anyajcala Juhdika fi xasanaati miisaanika, Wa nasalulaahi an yaxsuranaa Macal mujaahidiina ladiina jaahaduu Fii sabiili lahaa bi amwaalikum, wa anfusakum,!

TO AHMAD-GAAL;
Soomaalidu Waxay Tiraahdaa "TUUG LA QABTAY TALO MA LEH". Marba hadal dhinac ha u qaloocin, waxba gidaaradda ha isku xoqin!!!! Sheekadaaddu Way ka cadahay Cadceedda, Or Is there something you have in mind?I knew from the begining you have problem with the Sirat of prophet Mohamed (ppuh).

Sunnadda Nabi Mohamed (s.c.w) Ilaalinteedda ilaahay isagaa garanaya meesha uu dhigayo, fanka cilmiga xadiistuna waa FAN aan Islaamka looga horeyn, ilaa Maanta 24.11 aanay wali cidi gaadhin, hanoqoto Xifdin, Maanguurin,Hubshasho, kala hufid, iyo Cadaynba.

Ma taqaanaa inta kitaab ee la qoray ee lagu soo aruuriyey wixii xadiis daciif ahaa oo dhan? mase taqaana farqiga u dhexeeya xadiis daciif ah iyo xadiiska beenta ah? mase taqaanaa inta sababood ee keenta in xadiis la daciifiyo?


Ma taqaanaa Fanka Xadiistu goortuu bilowday iyo taariikhdii uu soo maray?mase taqaanaa Raggii fankan dhidibadda u taagay iyo sida Xadiisyadda loo wariyo?Ma shaki baa kaaga jira lumitaanka Diinta islaamka!!!!! Qur'aanka Kariimku miyaanay ku qornayn " Inaa Naxnu Nazalna DIKRA, Wa inaa Lanaxnul Xaafiduun". Mase Taqaanaa Xuquuqul Mustafa(s.c.w).

Ilaahay 7-samo korkood miyaanu ka odhan: ""Wa udkhiluu fi Silmi Kaaffa", sidoo kale miyeyna Qur'aanka ku sugnayn " Afa tuminuuna Bibacdil kitaabi, Watakfuruuna Bibacdi."
Ilaahay subxaanahu watacaalaa wuu ka raxmad iyo naxariis badan yahay Yaska, waana dhaafaa danbiyadda adoomihiisa haday u toobad keenaan.Toobadduna maantay ku anfacaysaa, intaad nooshahay.... Waxaan kuu soo jeedin lahaa in aad badahan aad dabaalanaysid ka soobaxdo Ilaahayna aa TOOBAD waydiisatid, Hadaad sidaas samayso adunbaa Liibaani Hadaad diidana " Wamaa cala Rasuulu ilaa Balaagul mubiin".

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Ahmad weli iimaad jawaabin. Meesha keli ah ee Saliga Nebiyadeena Suubanaa Maxamed iyo Ibrahim Calayhim AlSalaat WasSalaam lagu sheego marka la tukanayo waa ATAXIYAADKA.

Hadaba hadalkaaga ah :

" People mention other names in the
salat(like Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat."

Ma waxaad ula jeedaa ATAXIYAADKA? Waxaan jeclaan lahaa in hadalkaa aad tiri aad ii fasirto waxa aad ula jeeddo?

Fadlan iga raali noqo.

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Ahmad weli iimaad jawaabin. Meesha keli ah ee Saliga Nebiyadeena Suubanaa Maxamed iyo Ibrahim Calayhim AlSalaat WasSalaam lagu sheego marka la tukanayo waa ATAXIYAADKA.

Hadaba hadalkaaga ah :

" People mention other names in the
salat(like Abraham, Muhammad, Ali, and Abdu-Wahab, etc) when God clearly asked NOT TO
MENTION anybody but Him in the salat."

Ma waxaad ula jeedaa ATAXIYAADKA? Waxaan jeclaan lahaa in hadalkaa aad tiri aad ii fasirto waxa aad ula jeeddo?

Fadlan iga raali noqo.

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!

OY!!! OY! OY! OY! I can't say enough "WOW!"

...You guys don't listen, do you??? You're going on and on and on and on and on---about ME(this says ALOT about what YOU believe)! LO! Read the Qur`an---anybody who ever suggested "GOD ALONE" was mocked---some were called "lost ones" while others were called "fools"---the list goes on. Their hearts start to tremble---they lose in touch with reality---they're simply NUTS(ring a bell???)...and by God, when other things are mention beside God...they REJOICE---in laughter and happiness! Can you look back and see what was the end of the unjust? I doubt it!

A belief, a right belief---is not based on defense in personal gain/attack! It's a natural gift...that needs not to be defended with personal attacks---nor does it need any fatheration. It is simply RIGHT!

You don't even have time to STOP and read what people write to you---in responses. You keep asking the same questions---when I ANSWERED over and over your ridiculing questions!

READ MY LIPS: Salat existed BEFORE Muhammad(pbuh) It was distorted...but it existed. AND, if you would've a time of peace and inner-faith, you WOULD see that(in the Qur`an!)

Everything that Salat contains in action---was concieved from Abraham and Ishmael. Arabs just distorted when to do it...and what to say(they add to it---names of gods that they created, etc)! But, the practice itself, EXISTED before Muhammad(Pbuh)!

Jews were always too proud to keep any laws of God(EVEN when they had it...over and over and over and over again)! Yet, the Arabs, the Arabian Arabs, kept it(FROM Kader---a very long descendent-father of theirs)---even though they distorted it...while the Jews(and Christians) LOST IT!

SAME story again---Muslims distort it...by adding to it. WHAT IS SALAT? When you understand this---you will know what IS and what is not allowed to say in it! Many many many Muslims establish salat...without even knowing what the heck it is. THIS is where the confussion begins---and where the `Ol Satan comes in!

The Qur`an is not just a BOOK---it's a code of LIFE. A very easy...and MAGICAL and wisdomfuf Book of Books. EVERYTHING you need in Islam---is in that Book. It's complete---and REALLY wonderfuly detailed. When one believes that---One becomes Islam, truly! As long as you feel you need something ELSE to understand it---or complete it in Islam...One is far far lost!

Ansaari and Yaska, every "alif" in the Qur`an---stands for something. Nothing is over-looked...or left for anybody to correct it. NOBODY! Prophet Muhammad was a PROPHET---He was to deliver it to Mankind...to bring the Message---to bring the Mercy!(because, he, Muhammad...was Mercy to Mankind himself!) Was his job to explain it? God says: "We sent this Book, and WE will explain it"---does that "WE" mean him and Muhammad? I do not believe that!

Listen to God, as He talks to the Prophet: "[17.72] And whoever is blind in this, he shall (also) be blind in the hereafter; and more erring from the way.
[17.73] And surely they had purposed to turn you away from that which We have revealed to you, that you should forge against Us other than that, and then they would certainly have taken you for a friend.
[17.74] And had it not been that We had already established you, you would certainly have been near to incline to them a little;
[17.75] In that case We would certainly have made you to taste a double (punishment) in this life and a double (punishment) after death, then you would not have found any helper against Us.
[17.76] And.surely they purposed to unsettle you from the land that they might expel you from it, and in that case they will not tarry behind you but a little." THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL!

...I believe these people went behind him when he died---and got their wish!

There is a hadith which is from Muslim and Ibn Hanbal, it says: "Abi Said Al-Khudry, may God be pleased with him...reported that the messenger of God, may God exalt him & grant him peace, had said, 'Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than Quran shall erase it.'" (Ahmad, 171, and Muslim)

ISLA buuga wax yar ka dib, xadiis kale:

"Zayd Ibn Thabit (the Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death,) and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiya liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said, 'The messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his Hadith.'" (Reported by Ibn Hanbal, 251!)

...DID he care? Did he listen to the Prophet? WHY??? Because he HAD to establish a way to distort ISLAM!

And, as God says, in the hereafter: "[25.30] And the Apostle cries out: O my Lord! surely my people have treated this Quran as a forsaken thing."

Don't deny the Hadiths---but don't think the Hadiths are AUTHENTIC, either! They're books---where FIVE different people says "Oh, I think he said that..." "HEY, and he said that, too"...but there are good ones among them---and YOU KNOW those because they agree with the Qur`an!

TWO FACTS:

1: The majority of the people are unbelievers: "[12.103] And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly."

2: The majority of the "believers" are Idol-Worshipers: "[12.106] And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others (with Him)."---and we have a "SAHIH" hadith which says "the majority of people...will be the right sect"---LOL!

I believe ONLY God can guide!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!


TO: walaalkiin,

Walaalkiis, insha Allah---waxaan soo qori doonaa SIDA aan u tukado...from A-to-Z(wiiga dhamaadkiisa, hadii Alle idmo!) Markaas baad ogaanaysaa! Duhur baan soo tukanaa hada...kadibna seexaanaa(xalay dhan baan shaqaynayay)...and i'm really tired!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ansaari

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Salamu Caleykum Ikhwaati fil Islaam!


Walaalayaal waad u jeedaan ninkan, haddii aan si xoog leh la isaga kaashan si uu joojiyo waxyaalaha xunxun ee uu wado wax kale ayaa berito imaan. Dalliil loo keen, la qanci, wax loo sheeg, MALEH! waxba uga saaidi mayaan illaa uu kasii daro ma ahanee.

Dadka diinta cilmiga ulaheyna ama Iimaan Xoggan lahayn daaqada ayuu kala bixi karaa.

Waa loo soo dhiibay waxakan uu la ordayo. Wuuna dhunsan yahay. Haddii uusan aheyn kuwa labaxay "THE SUBMITTERS" aad & aad ayuu illaa hadda ugu dhow yahay afkaartooda. Wuu qarinayaa si uu meeshan ugu sii waara, balse su'aashu waxeey tahay illaa & goorma?

Walaalkiin & Aniguba waxaan weeydiinay su'aalo la rabo in uu jawaab toosa ka bixiyo, wakaas illaa & hadda jawaab sugan oo DALIIL wadata maleh. Wuxuuna yeelay ka wareegasho iyo in uu meelo sida yahuud baa saas aheyd iyo kidaa wa kidaa oo kale galo oo uu markaa mowduucaba kabaxo.

Marka hadda aanu sugno oo aragno siduu aminsanyahay in loo dukato, madaama salaadihi maanta aay noqdeen kuwa labadbadalay "distorted" sida uu sheegayba.

Trick-yada uu isticmaalo waxaa kamid ah, sida asagaa doorta in uu ingiriis ku qora hadaladiisa, xataa Qur'aanka, markaasna aay dhici karto in dadka qaarkii ullajeedadiisa & micnaha hadalkiisa ka sidbato luuqado uu isticmaalyo darteed.

Wuxuu aaminsan yahay in "Submitters-ku" Shayaadiinta islaam isku sheega in aay meelo badan ku saxsan yihiin, meesha aay halna hadda wax ku saxsaneyn. Wuxuu ku leeyahay kama tirsani, balse wuxuu ku tusinayaa inuu simpatiyo u hayo.

Waxyaalaha laga weeyn waa asaga oo Yuhuuda marwalba qoraaladiisa aad ugu xussa, ayagoo macno gooni ah ku suubineyn mowduuca markaa laga hadlayo. Waxyaalaha kale ee laga hayo waxaa kamid ah ((....Masjidka Al-Quds waa masjid iska caadi ah kana duwaneyn masaajidda kale,....Carabta & Yuhuudu waxaa ka dhexeeyey is-naceyb hore oo Islaamnimo quseyn,.....Xadiisyadu ma jiraan,......Salaada sida maanta loo dukadaa waa qalad,.....waxaa jira dad ah idol-worshipers (salaada haddii lagu daro saliga Ibraahiimiyada)ayuu ula jeedaa....))

...liistuhu waa dheeryahay!

...wuxuu soo wadaase ka daran!!!!

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diehard

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Hallo my friend Ansaari, long time no see you..I can see YOU have been very busy lately.. trying hard to discredit Ahmed , Waad iga yaabisay ninyahow maar walbo qof baad iishaysatin ee saaxiibow cool down please, nabaddey

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umu salama

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ASALAAMU CALAA MANI TABACAL HUDAA

KU:ANSAARI & YASKA

Baarakallaahu viikum wa nas´alullaaha an yarsuqakumu shahaada vii sabiilil xaq iinsha Allaahu tacaalaa.
hadaan u soo noqdo ninkaan quraanka Alle kusoo dabo dhuumanayana dee arinkiisu maalinba maalinta kasii danbaysa ayuu sii kashifmayaa oo marba haduu diidan yahay sunadii MUSTAFAA (SCW),dee diintiisu waa bacaad caano lagu lisay Allena kor ahaaye wuxuu yidhi ( wamaa aatakumu rasuulu fakhuduuhu wamaa nahaakum canhu fantahuu,wataqullaaha inallaaha shadiidul ciqaab) waa kii Rasuulkeenii suubanaana yidhi (scw)(qofkii sunadayda diida naga midmaaha,qofkii na khaayimaana falaysa minaa).
markaa hadii uu damcay isagu inuu amarka rasuulka khilaafo maalin maanta aan ahayn oo aanu ingiriisi ku hadlayn ayuu garan doonaaye,halkiinaa kasii wada oo hadaalina Rabbi ayaa idinka abaal marin maalin aydun aad uugu baahan tihiine.

KU: Axmed
Anigu kula murmi maayo oo muran & waano hadii aad wax ku qaadanayso waxaa kusoo siiyey walaalihii iga horeeyey,laakiin su´aalbaan ku waydiin,
qur´aanka Alle ma waxaad mooday heesihii magool oo kolba intii hawadaada raacda ayuunbaad ku camal fashaa, oo aad keentay inaad beenisid sunihii RAsuulka(scw)kolaad quraanka tafsiirkiisa badashid kalaad salaada wax ka khilaaftid kalaad jihaadka kasoo hor jeedsatid kolaad xaramkii 3aad ee umada aad ku sheegtid micno nooguma fadhiyo.
Alle (swt) diintiisa wuu difaaci oo noocaagaa soo kale waxba ka qaadi maayaane Alle ka cabso intuuna ku qaban ilayn qabashada JABAAR way daran tahaye( ina badsha rabbika la shadiid)

umu salama

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum ALL!

Ansaari,

No, you wait a minute---you think I really care what you think of me? DON'T flatter yourself, Brother! I'm Ahmad---ONE too strong to care what your twisted mind thinks...I have ISLAM on my heart, I walk on too higher grounds to care what ANYBODY thinks of me! I'm not the one who is boiling---because someone else beliefs differently---GROW UP!

As for me speaking in English--I CHOOSE to speak it, do you have a problem with that?

As for me being here---it says up there "SOMALINET"...NOT "Sunninet"---don't mistake in the two. This is for ALL somalis---sunni or no sunni. You think every somali is "sunni"??? you're simply playing your understanding, I guess!

As for "simbatiyada" aad sheegaysid---Lets see who wants simbatiye. IF I wanted simbatiye---I would be "SUNNI"---but i'm NOT. I told you that...from day one! You don't listen to what people tell you---because you're so insecure in your little world...that you can't see what is coming or not coming to you. Please, Ansaari, have some faith---in whatever you have faith in! Ha or-ordin meelaha sidii habar kab ka luntaye!

Would it make you feel if I told you that I was "Shia" or "Submitter" or whatever else you'd like me to say i'm? Does it bother you that I SAY: I believe in God, and that Muhammad was a Prophet of His??? LOOK within yourself---and find some faith for your existance...instead of trying to CHANGE other people's.

The Prophet you claim to follow, Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh)...let Jews live among his family. He let Jews be among his Ummah! Not because he thought they believed well...but because Islam is TOLERANCE. And you can't even sit, peacefully, with somebody who BELIEVES in God and his Prophet! Don't you think that LETS me know alot of what you "believe"??? Don't amuse yourself in hate to others---it's NOT worth it! Islam is at loss today because people before you didn't stand up and say---"I HAVE HAD ENOUGH"...but dwelled in hate! Sorry, I can't help you there!

...i'm one atom away to never discuss with you anything! I didn't say all that because I hate you---but it makes me MAD that the same mistakes are lived and re-lived and re-lived in this Ummah! It's faithless and childish!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ali yare

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Til.DEIHEARD

hej med dig. Jeg tror at du er psykisk syg. Fordi du ikke aner hvad det går ud på det man snakker om lige for tiden. vogn op og være med ellers tag hjem og sov.

Du aner simpelthen ikke, hvad religionen er og hvordan man kan bedømme/behandle andre folk, hvis de begår sådan nogle felj som din ven Ahmed har gjort.

Farvel.

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Yaska

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Salaamu Caleykum Ikhwaati fil Islaam!

TO ansaari;

Wali Dadbaanbaan ku baraarugin arintan NINKANI la yimid, laakiin la socda arinta"Listing the channel", Qofwalbana wax uu ku qanco ayaa jirta, Mujrimiinta maanta meel walba way buuxsameen.

Taariikhda Islaamka Waxaa soo maray, ilaa haddana jir Qaar Dadka waxay iyagu aamin sanyihiin mooyaana dadka kale Gaaleeya oo culimadii islaamka oo dhan ee ka horeysay ku tilmaamay Khuraafaadlayaad iyo gaalo,"TAKFIIRIYIIN". Markaas Arintani Boodh badan ayey kicisay, dadkuna wax waa arki la'yahay wali.......Laakiin Wuxuu soo wado hakeeno!!! Ganbar Gaaban ayaan ugu fadhinaa.

___________________ to: ALL the Viewers________
Qof kastow Xasuuso:
Xadiiskii Mashhuurka ahaa ee " WAKULIKUM MASUULUN WA MASUULUN CAN RAACIYATIHI!"

DIINTA DAD GAAR U LEH MA JIRAAN, DAD XAQ GAAR AH KA SAARAN YAHAYNA MA JIRAAN, HADAANAD AWOODIN IN AAD KA QAYB QAADATID ARINTAN HA NOQON CARQALAD HORTAAGAN HADABA!

TO Ahmad-Gaal,

Yes, every "alif" and "ba"in qur'an means something, then....
You wrote: "I believe these people went behind him when he died---and got their wish!

There is a hadith which is from Muslim and Ibn Hanbal, it says: "Abi Said Al-Khudry, may God be pleased with him...reported that the messenger of God, may God exalt him & grant him peace, had said, 'Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than Quran shall erase it.'" (Ahmad, 171, and Muslim) ""

Don't use some hadiths in your arguments to prove that you are right!!!, or to prove other hadiths are incorrect, Here we are acting like a digital sytem, either is "0" or " 1" means either you have to believe the existance of hadiths as a part of Islamic Sharia or you have drop it out totally.

I have lecture for you: Ma taqaanaa Wax la yiraado "TAFSIIR"?, Mase Taqaanaa Waxa la yiraahdo TAWIIL?, mase taqaanaa Faraqa u dhexeeya?. Qur'aanka waxaa ku soo aroortay: "Walaa Yatuuunaka bimisli, Ilaa ji'naaka bilxaqi wa axsana TAFSIIRA" Furqan(33).

2-Ma maqashay waxa la yiraahdo NUSUULUL QURAAN, ama Siduu qur'aanku u soo degay?, Ma taqaanaa XIGMADDA ka danbaysa in uu sidaa usoo dego?

3-Ma taqaanaa Taariikhda Soo degetaanka Qur'aanka mudaddii 23 sano ahayd ee soo degayey?, Ma taqaanaa Sida Qur'aanka loo kulmiyey?iyo tartiibta uu iskugu habaysan yahay?

4-Ma taqaanaa Sida Aayadaha Qur'aanku iyo Suuradaha qur'aanku u dhisan yihiin?Yaase Sidaa u dhisay?Ma taqaanaa dhamaadka aayadaha iyo suuradaha qur'aanku siday u iskugu xiran yihiin, Yaase kala joojiyey oo sida maanta ay yihiin u habeeyey?

5-Ma taqaanaa inta Xaraf/Lahjadood ee uu Qur'aanku ku soo degay?Mase taqaanaa Xigmadda ka danbaysa in Qur'aanku 7-xaraf loogu doortay? maxayse yihiin?

6-Ma taqaana sQiraa'ooyinka qur'anka iyo sida loo AKHRIYO?Mase TAQAANAA Noocyadda AL-Qiraa'atul Qur'aan iyo maxay ýihiin?

7-Ma taqaana Ereyadda uu Qur'aanku ku bilowdo iyo Kuwa uu ku dhamaado, iyo siday u dhisan yihiin?

8-Mase Taqaanaa QAWAAIDKA LAGAMA MAAR MAANKA U AH in aad Qur'aanka FAHAMTID?

9-what else you know about the Qur'an!!!!

Or you missed to study the Science of Qur'an while you were busy with the Bibles!!!

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Asad2

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Wamaa toowfiiqii ilaa bilaah calayhi tawakaltu wailayhi uniib.

Waxaan jecelahay inaan wax usheego Ahmed dabcan waxaan filayaa arinkaagu ilaa xad waa kadaray aqoon la'aana kaama aha ee waxaad rabtaa inaad umada tashuush ku abuurto balse ogoow aayada qur'aankaa ee ilaahay kuleeyahay ( inaa naxnu na'zalna dikra wa inaa lahuu laxaafidoon) suuratu xijir ama Ruba. taas oo micneheedu yahay anagaa quraanka soo dajinay anagaana xafidayna m, marka marnaba ha iskudayin inay kuu suurta gasho waxaad dadka kadhaadhicinaysid koleyba waxaan kujiraa dadka dhexda uxiranayaa siday diinta udifaaci lahaayeen dadkana uga digidoona hagar daamooyinka aad diinta kuwadid siyay dadka daciifiintaa oon diinta aqoonin ugu kadsoomaan, allaah ayaan waxaan kaaga rajaynayaa hadii aad tahay mulim dhunsan inuu dariiqa xaqaa kutuso Aamiin.

waxaan aad ula tacajabay sababta aadan uqaadanaynin wixii xaq ah oo laguu sheego siwalba ayaa daliil laguugu keenay waana kasoo horjeedaa.

waxaan kuu rajaynayaa inaad katana zusho wax yaabaha xun xun insha allah.
dabcan hada intaas ayaan ku ekeeynayaa laakiin waa sii wadi doonaa inaan xaqa ugargaaro dadkana ugadigo wixii qalad ah.

Wabilaahi At towfiiq.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum All!

Yaska,

It's amazing, isn't it? EVERYTHING you said---every little thing...that you suggested---is what "RABBI HILLEL" said to the Israelites; "Do you know the way to understand the Torah"? "Do you know what TORAH is"? "DO you even know how it came down"? "Do you know how the five Books of Moses came together"?--blah blah blah...and when he was listened to and submitted to; LO! He astrayed people out of their religion---He stood up and re-corrupted...what his fore-fathers did before him!

Somethings, I guess, beared repeating!


My dear Brother of Islam, go back to your history books---and then see where UNJUST began! Everything...EXCEPT God have beginings and endings! I'm not one who should appoint to you...your beginings(or mine)---History is corruptable, as EVERYTHING else, but it has a way of taking you back in time!


Since you're one who is doing "great" in learning the History of Qur`an; tell me these:

Who was Khuzeimah? What exactly did he contribute to the Qur`an, as a contributor?


...and yes, GOD did, does, and ALWAYS will protect His Qur`an from the corrupted creatures of Jinn and Men! Who protects more than He who Masters the universe? Glory Be to Him, Him alone do I serve!

Studying the "BIBLE" is studying man(and his intentions)...while studying the Qur`an is a way of life; an Islamic Life! Let me be the first one to tell you; Qur`an teaches beyond man's understanding...in a simply, plain, and un-crooked way! This is so---because I have been to otherside of Aspen!

"Ganbar gaaban" ku fadhi...ama "ganbar dheer"---Qalbi wanaagsan...is free of deciet...of anykind! A righteous is He who teaches---without prejudice...or hate or hurtful words; he who has tolerance to man...while guarding his dutty to his Lord! Such world is not found with you, i'm sorry! This alone contributes so much to me ABOUT you and your system of belief! You create hostile world for your students---that it makes me sick to even be in the same world...let alone take you as a guide, for anykind!

May God forgive us for all of our mistakes in life---the past, the present, and the future! Aamiin!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Mumin

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Qabta Baadariga, Father Ahmad wuu soo jilcayaaaaaaaye Qabta......Ilaahay baa asaga iyo gaalada iyo Yuhuuda (qooraal kasta oo uu qoro he must mention Jew/Yuhuud/Hebrew/Tora) aad ushaqaysidba naga kaa qabanaaya!!!! Mahad sanidiin Ansaari, Yaska iyo inta kale oo ka qayb qaadatay, noo na iftiimisay ulajeedada Ninkan Gaalka ah!

Ilaahow jabi cawodga islaamka.

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Ansaari

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Axmed!

Your urgument is so WEAK!! and makes no sense at all!!

Su'aalaha lagu weeydiiyey si toos ah adigoon bad kale gelin uguma jawaabi kartid miyaa?

Mida kale anigu waannada teeda toosan waan qataa, maahi adoo kale dood meesha lasoo tagan. Aqri meel kasta oo aad wax soo dhigtey iyo reactionka aqristayaasha!.
Weli ma is weeydiisay: "Ma anna waalan mise Cadan ayaa laga heesayaa"?

War qofyahoow haddii aay dhab kaa tahay islaamnimada aad halkan ku sheeganeyso, waxaan Rabbi kaaga baryayaa in uu XAQQA ku tuso, kuna Hannuuniyo, indhahana kuu furo, illeen saan si kuuma ahanee....

....haddiise aad tahay qof loo soo direy, najaaso la wareegaya, amaba GAAL ah, markaa duqa! meeshan waad ku qarxi, kuna qasaareysaa, (sorry! here is not the right place for you) Tartiibtaa u gambiso!. Talo fiican miyeesan aheyn?

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum All!

Ansaari,

HAHAHAAHAHAHAH! Oh, you make me laugh! "qof la soo diray"---that is exactly what the Suffis said about Ikhwanul Muslimiin, remember? Throwing rocks at girls who covered themselves against the evil-eyes of man! REMEMBER??? Killing Muslims who had long-beards or had short dressings(above the ankel)! Opressing the Masjidul-Allah...because they're "ikhwanul-Muslimiin's churches!" AND they knew too well---it was better than what they offered! blah blah blah!

Remember the Arabian pagans??? Casting the Prophet and his followers because they were "astrayed" from the "right path"! Killing innocents because they're the followers of Muhammad! Hunting down when they KNEW it was the right thing he preached!"qoomul nijaaz" they used to slogan about the Muslims!

"meeshan waad ku qarxi, kuna qasaareysaa, (sorry! here is not the right place for you) Tartiibtaa u gambiso! Talo fiican miyeesan aheyn?" why can't I help but remember the offers of the Arabian Pagans; "oh, ya Muhammad, you won't find any wickedness in us---please try the Jews or the Christians" "Oh, Muhammad, why don't you go on journey on somewhere else"? "Oh, ya Muhammad, wouldn't be so nice if you casted this against our enemy"? "we're your elders, ya Muhammad, take our advice---and bother the enemies of your fore-fathers of yore" yada yada yada yada yada!

History repeats itself! The Qur`an teaches alot to mankind(past, present, future)---if we listen to it, without proud! Proud is a very evil thing! If one wants to be right---one will be right, NO MATTER WHAT!

I listen to you, too. But, mostly, because of your hostile/proud reactions...I lose the whatever you are trying to teach me or tell me---because i'm human!


Mu`min,

Mentioning the Yehuds and the past nations---is examples of our Lord in the Qur`an! BECAUSE...we can learn from them---and their mistakes! We have so much we can learn from our OWN society---BUT, who listens to that? People are too proud to correct themselves!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Yaska

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Salaamu Calaykum Yaa ikhwitul fil Caqiida

To Ahmad-Gaal;

To answer your questions: You asked " Do you know the way to understand the Torah"? "Do you know what TORAH is"? "DO you even know how it came down"? "Do you know how the five Books of Moses came together"?--blah blah blah...and when he was listened to and submitted to; LO! He astrayed people out of their religion---He stood up and re-corrupted...what his fore-fathers did before him!"

My answers: Yes, I do know what TORAH was, and its present situation, No I don't understand the way to be understood the TORAH, BUT I DO KNOW THE WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE KORAN. again I do know what was written on the "Alwaax" of prophet moses (ppuh), BUT I don't know "books" of TORAH.

Is it neccessary for muslims to know the TORAH?, what is the connection between the TORAH and ISLAM?, don't tell me it is derived from there!!

You wrote: "go back to your history books "!! My history books? what books do you have in mind? SIRAT of prophet Muhamed(s.c.w)? or the Qur'an it self? or the Xadith books?

Again you wrote " History is corruptable, as EVERYTHING else, but it has a way of taking you back in time!"!!!! What do you have in mind AHAMAD?EVERYTHING else!!!!!!!!, Hadiths are corrupted? or the Qur'an is corrupted? THis part of suspecition isn't quit new to Us, Oriantalists did it before, by saying early muslims didn't know how to investigate or how to write the history since they lack the art of critiasm, objectivity and the sense of purpose,BUT the worst was lack of enough tools for writing history!!!!!,

You have asked: Who was Khuzeimah? You tell me,!,
What exactly did he contribute to the Qur`an? WHat do you mean by CONTRIBUATION, here?

Here is my second lecture TO YOU :
In Nabi Muhamed(s.c.w) La RAACAA oo la ADEECAA waa WAAJIB SHARCI AH:
"Yaa ayuha ladiina aamanuu AdIICULAAHA WARASUULAHU" Anfaal(20),aayad kale ilaah wuxuu yidhi: "Man YUDICI RASUULA FAQAD ADAACA LAAH"anisaa(80), aayad kale waxay faraysaa "Wa in TUDIICUU-HU- TAHTADDUU"al-cimraan(132), HU waa u noqonaysaa DAMIIRKII ugu danbeeyey ee la xusay,? Carabi yaa kuu kasaayehee?.

AMARADDA iyo XUKUNKA UU NABI MUHAMED(s.c.w) amro in la raacaana waa WAAJIB::::::KHASAB:::::.
Ilaahay wuxuu faray nabi Muhamed in uu dadka u yiraahdo: "QUL Inkuntum Tuxibbuunalaaha FATTABICUUNII Yuxbibkumulaahu"Al-cimraan(31)

ILAAHAY Wuxuu ku DHAARTAY :::: "Falaa ARABBUKA LAAYUMINUUNA Xataa YUXAKKIMUUKA FIIMAA Shajara Baynihim THuma Laa Yajiduu fii Anfusihim XARAJJAN ***MIMAA QADTAYTA**.."Al-nisaa (65).......

Marka Xukunka iyo kala saaridda laga hadlayo ilaah subxaanahau Watacaalaa Miyaanu Dadka Farin:
"Fa in Tanaazactum Fi shey in, FARUDDUUHU ila LAAHI WARASUUL"al-nisaa(59)

Aayaddahaas Quraanka ee aan kor ku soo xusnay markay culimmad Islaamku Fasirayeen Maxay ku FASIREEN? You haven't answer my questions ahmad?

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Yaska

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Salaamu Calaykum Yaa ikhwatu filIslaamu;

TO ahmad-Gaal;
Here is my Third Lecture:
I once have asked you what is the difference between Hadiths and Qur'an?, if i remember correct you have been asked also the difference between Hadithul Qudsi and the Qur'an?

WHat is qur'an? Ilaahay wuxuu yidhi"Ina calaynaa Jamca-hu- wa qur'aana-hu, Fa idaa qarainaa- hu fattabic Qur'aa-aana-hu-"Qiyaamah(17,18)
Qur'an == KalaamuLaah; then What is "Kalaam"?

Imisa Magac ayuu Ilaahay qur'ankan ugu yeedhay!! Al-quraan, Al-Kitaab, Al-furqaan, AL-Dikri, Al-Tanziil...

What is Hadith? Ilaahay Qur'aankiisa wuxuu ku yidhi: "Wa man Asdaqa Minalaahi HADITHA"al-nisaa(87) another place, "Wa calamtanii min "Tawiilil" aHadith" (yusuf 101). I have once asks you what is TAWIIL? so,by definition Hadith == Waa wax ale wixii rasuulka loo tiiriyo xagiisa ha ahaato QOWL(HADAL), FICIL, SUGNAANSHO, iyo SIfaba ah !!!

Do you agree with me Ahmad, with this definition?
WHat is difference between Qur'an and Hadith? I left for you!!!!!!.

THe History of Sirat Muhamed(s.c.w):
What is the position of Sunna in Islam? surprise!! Is this your next question you have in mind? don't worry I do take all what you consider as tapoo topics, and I discuss with style!!! The SUNNA as I mention before, is application part of qur'an, and it is the example of the islam, Prophet Mohamed (ppuh) was "applied" qur'an, in another word was " walking " qur'an.!! AHAMAD do you know anything about the natural sciences? if yes, then it easy to understad the terms application, applied,conversation of natural laws, etc...

Qur'an is the " Manhaj" Curriculum of Islam, while Sunna of prophet muhamed(ppuh) is practical of this curriculum. If one want to know the Manhaj of Islam, then He/She should known in depth the sunna of prophet Muhamed(ppuh) in wordly, practically, existentially.

The Position of Sunna in FIQIH and Islamic Judicial:

The Sunna of prophet Muhamed (s.c.w) is the second source for the Fiqih and judical. THe sunna explains what qur'an mention shortly, and it particularize what qur'an mention generally, It makes clear what is meaned by in qur'an.

Waxaan MURAN ka taagnayn oo UMMADDA Islaamka oo dhan isku raacsan tahay In SUNNADDA RASUULKU(s.c.w) tahay Masdarka laga Qaato Sharciyeynta ha ahaato CIBAADDADDA, MUCAAMALAADKA Fardiga, USRADDA,BULSHADDA iyo DOWLADDABA.

Ninkii Diidda in uu Sunnadda Rasuulka Mustafaa(s.c.w) ku Xukuntamo, ILAAHAY SUBXAANAHU WATAACAA 7-Samo korkood ayuu ka goodiyey::: " FAL YAXDIRIL LADIINA YUKHAALIFUUNA CAN AMRI-HI- AN TUSIIBAHUM FITNATU AW YUSIIBAHUM CADAABUL ALIIM" oo macnaheedu Yahay: Ha ka Digtoonaadeen kuwa(dadka) Khilaafaya AMARKIISA ("HI" waa damiir u noqonaya Nabiga(s.c.w)yacni amarka nabiga )In ay asiibto/ku dhacdo FITNO ama uu haleelo Cadaad Kululi:

AHMAD-Gaal How dare you call your self muslim BUT AT SAME TIME NOT fellow the SUNNA of mustafa(s.c.w)? WHat do you know about the islam if you don't know the Prophet Muhamed(ppuh)? WHat kind of Islam You fellow?

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Ansaari

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To Yaska!

Salamu Caleykum yaa akhii kariim!

Walaalkiis Kheyr Allahu ku siiyo sida weyn ee aad noogu faa'ideysay.

Balse qalbi jilicsan oo TAQWO jilcisay ayaa waano maqla ma qalbi BIRTA ka adag ayuu wax geli?.

Walaalkiis waxaan kaa sugeynay maqaalkii ku saabsanaa "orientalist", inaad halkan noogu faa'ideyso.

Jazakallah kheyran YASKA!

Illaahoow na hanuuni oo na toosi Adaa wax toosin karee!



Ansaari

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum ALL!


Yaska,

First of all, Yaska---let me tell you something! IF you think I'll take anything you say to the heart, YOU are gravely mistaken. I don't take guides for people who are so lost as to call people "GAAL"...this puts negative energy in your post to me---so that nulls everything you have to say. So, if you're trying to "help" me---don't waste your time!

I wasn't asking you the questions that Rabbi Hillel asked the Israelites---I WAS telling you...how history repeats itself(by what you asked)!

I'm more than sure...that you agree with me that the Jews are at loss; this is not because they wanted to(PLAINLY)...but because they followed their Rabbis and doctors of law---and took their words...to the heart!

**You asked: "Is it neccessary for muslims to know the TORAH?, what is the connection between the TORAH and ISLAM?, don't tell me it is derived from there!!"

It IS necessary that you know and believe the Torah, Gospel, Tablets of Abraham, The Psalms---because they're the Books of God! The ones that are available today may not be...but the real ones that God sent ARE!


Hadiths are corrupted? YES! You have a proof of that---why is there a "diciif" hadiths? Why is there "SHIA" "SUNNI" hadiths that contradict each other??? Please, don't put the Qur`an and the Hadiths at the same table. The Qur`an is a PROTECTED book---while the Hadiths are "I HEARD HIM SAY THAT"...from people whom I hold RESPONSIBLE for where Islam is today!
And yes, BROTHER, Torah(Taurat) IS Islam. The one that is available today is not all there...which impures the whole book, however, the real Torah of Mosses is ISLAM!

As for "Khuzeimah"---you claimed to know the History of Qur`an, so tell me about him! He's very famous in The History of Qur`an. Please, don't forget, I never claimed to be "scholar" who gives "Fatwas"...but YOU have!

As for obeying the Prophet---who argues in that??? Please, don't manipulate the mind! I DO, with all my heart, obey what the Prophet brought. I never denied in believing the hadiths, but I don't trust ALL of the sources; that is the bottom line. I believe in the existance of the Tradition of the Prophet, but I don't believe every fabrication that was "named" to him to be true. I know when it's "fabrication" because it goes against the Qur`an. Because the Qur`an is a proof to all that God sent forth!

AND, yes, we know following the Prophet is conditioned by God's love. Once again, I don't get manipulated by what people say. I DO follow the Prophet---every practice I do all my daily life is what he brought forth. I read the Qur`an twice a day(in the morning and the evening)...and it's a BOOK he brought forth; a book whom I believe to be the MOST guarded book, ever!

Once again, you're telling me about MY Prophet...whom I believe to be best among men. God purified him and chose him for a Prophecy; who is more just Judge in men than that? Tell that to those who need it...I believe with all my heart---that Muhammad(Pbuh) was a BEST man among Men! I believe he was the MOST truthful---Trustworthy---judge---that God created. That doesn't mean I think "ABU HURAYRAH" was as that---or whoever else that fabricated lies against the Prophet.

HAHAAHAH! You qouted a verse where God condemns people who don't follow the people---WELL, ya Yaska, why don't you follow Shia Laws? or Suffi Laws?? HHAAHAH! Manipulation does not help anybody, ya Yaska---it only distructs the soul of whomever that is using it!


Yaska, I'm MUSLIM---I'm NOT "Sunni"; it became evident to me that you don't think anybody who is not that is Muslim! I don't trust all of the Sunni sources---nor do I deny all of the sunni sources. I see them...as just another sect in Islam. I believe God will tell us where we differ, as he will to those before us. I'm not scholar---nor am I a "historian"---I study...and I teach what I learn, as it is a duty upon me. I do not care if people take it or leave it...because that is not my duty. Every Muslim is responsible for the other---we're all brothers and sister. People came to destroy that, and i'm really sadly able to say that they did that(even though I believe they won't succeed)! Islam suffers disunitation today---and it's nobody's fault but the Muslims who let it be that way...and those who are doing everything they can to PROTECT those!

There is no point you keep saying "GAAL" and me keep saying "MUSLIM"---it's really not any benefit for you if/if not i'm Muslim. And I'm really sick and tired of trying to be tolerant/patient with your vicious ways of "discussing". I don't even get your intention of all this. Are you trying to help me? help yourself? history? Islam? Because you're so far doing none of the above!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Abaayo

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asalaamu caleykum brothers
TO:Yaska aboow adigoon caaytamin qofna gaal ugu yeerin can't you debate nicely i don't think diinta iney ogashahay in qofna la caayo even if the person is kufaar macadala qof ku dhahay muslim baan ahay what ever ahmed is inside GOD knows but i dont think you have right to call gaal to some1 who is claiming that he is muslim

debate nicely and wizely ilaaheeyna grabkiina hagalo

wasalaamu caleykum waraxmatulaah wabarakaatuhu

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Yaska

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Salaamu Calaykum Yaa ikhwatul filCaqiidda;

TO Abaayo;

Thanx you, but question isn't "Dood", it is the Reliogion itself what what we are talking about?

You don't think in diintu ogoshahay in qofna la caayo????? Su'aashu hadaba waxay tahay Maxaad DIIN u TAQAANAA? HADII Rasuulka oo la diido in la raaco oo lagu daydo aad diin u taqaanid anugu DIIN Taas uma aqaan.!!!!!!!

GAALKAN WAXAN ISKU HAYNAANA MA AHA WAX KALE EE WAA " MAXAA DIIN ISLAM AH?


To AHMAD-Gaal;

Ahamd!!! What is wrong with you nowdays? You aren't trying to hide anymore??? You aren't saving anything, once you become known? what is this mess you are writing: "Please, don't forget, I never claimed to be "scholar" who gives "Fatwas"...but YOU have!! Have I said that ever?

AHMAD GAAL!!! New tactics!!!!! what you covering here,,,,,, Making associations!!! you wrote: "I'm really sick and tired of trying to be tolerant/patient with your vicious ways of "discussing".!!!! Can't I rise questions? I asks you only proves,!!! Remember You are claiming be on right Path??? !!!!

Remember AHMAD-GAAL, I never use ahadiths to prove
That you are Kaafir? neither I use ahadiths to prove that MUSLIMS ARE THOSE FELLOWS SUNNAT?

AHAMD-GAAL, Soomaliddu Waxay tidhaahdaa " TUUG QOFKASTA TUUG BUU MOODAA" what ! you wrote: "don't manipulate the mind! I DO, , with all my heart, obey what the Prophet brought. I never denied in believing the hadiths, !!"

after while you wrote: " I'm NOT "Sunni"; it became evident to me that you don't think anybody who is not that is Muslim! I don't trust all of the Sunni sources---nor do I deny all of the sunni sources."!!!!!!! AHAMAD-GAAL who do you think you talking to? childs!

Look at here AHMAD-GAAL what you wrote: ". I DO follow the Prophet---every practice I do all my daily life is what he brought forth." !!! while you wrote in previous sentenses " ??? Please, don't put the Qur`an and the Hadiths at the same table. The Qur`an is a PROTECTED book---while the Hadiths are "I HEARD HIM SAY THAT"...from people whom I hold RESPONSIBLE for where Islam is today!
!!!!!!!!


****** TO VIEWERS OF AHMAD's STORY;


************ END OF AHMAD's GAME*****************


THAT, WHAT YOU SEE OVER THERE IS AHMAD!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU FELLOW HIS STORY QUIT SOME TIME, NOW YOU KNOW WHAT HE BELEIVES? WHERE HE GOT THOSE? and LASTLY you know WHAT HE STAND FOR? as a conclusion of HIS STORY:

Throughout the forgoing discussions, one of my main objectives has been an analysis of the Ahmad's portryal of the life and minstry of the prophet Muhammad(ppuh), and how he tried to segragate the Qur'an and the Sunna of the prophet(ppuh) a part.

The central question is the attitude that one should develop in approaching a religion that one doesn't not share.(in the case of Hadiths), we have seen couple of time AHMAD's attention of rejecting the ahadith, a Subject he has already touched on. He begins his critical approach by pointing to the evedience that exists to support the fact that the acient Arabss worshipped stones, He therefore makes connection betwee what Muhammed(ppuh) teaches and what has been believed.

One can appreciate the circumstancein which AHAMAD was speacking, a man of "indefferent" morals, besides being a Shiite, However he franckly said his free will of what he beleives and what he doesn't, so AHMAD is QADARI (believer in the freedom of will),or QADARI-alike peoples.

Lastly but not leastly it seems that He mistrust of MUSLIM SCHOLARS in deeply embedded in his subconscious probably due to his FAITH's dual Jewish and Christian backgounds.

Before I close the AHMAD's chapter, I would like to remind him" AHMAD!!!! It is Up to you to comeout of the closet to the Light of ISLAM or to stay on the DARKNESS of SHIRKS!!!!!!

ALAAHU FASHHAD!!, ALAAHUMA FASHDAD,,
Wasaalu 'Aleykun Waraxmatulaahi Wabarakkaattu!!
-29.11.19999, Yaska

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gateway388@hotmail.com

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Hello to all those who are reading this message. I apologize for the fact that I am leaving this message in an area of the forums that is of a different subject matter than my message. But I really need this message to be read by some Somali people.

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I am not Somali, but I am learning the Somali language. It is TRULY a beautiful language as I hear it spoken. I live in U.S.A.. There are Somalis around me, and some of them are even my friends.

As I study the Somali language, I am coming across a number of hurdles, some of which I cannot overcome without the help of others. I have some Somali-English dictionaries, but that is not enough. For that reason I am humbly requesting that if there is any person who is willing to help me in my efforts, could you please e-mail me. I would only need to send you one e-mail about every 3 weeks (or even less often than that). My questions would be in the e-mail. The time it would take you to answer the questions in each e-mail would be 10 minutes or less.

I know that I am not supposed to advertise in this forums. But I'm not actually trying to sell anything, and I hope that my message does not fall into an unacceptable category with regard to what is allowed in this forums. If this is the case, then I do apologize. But in all honesty, I am just sincerely trying to learn your language, and I need some help.

In the past, when I have tried to ask some other Somali people for help, I have found more or less the same questions to be asked to me. So, I will state these facts now, since I imagine that some of you may be hesitant to help unless you knew this information:

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The reason I'm learning Somali is for multiple reasons:

(1) I have some Somali friends, and would like to be able to talk with them also in their language
(2) I'm an open-minded person with regard to other cultures, and I try not to be single-minded, and I think it's good to know about others.
(3) I see Somali people where I work, and some of them are even my friends-- and I would like to be able to communicate in their language with them.
(4) I enjoy studying foreign languages in general.
(5) I think it is a very beautiful language.
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About myself:

I'm male, student and working, and I live in U.S.A
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Some of the Somali people that I have asked for help in the past have said, "why don't you ask for help from the Somali people that you see in your city?"

The reason why that is not practical is because of the time issue. I am trying to get more that 1 helper. Why? Because through my asking certain Somalis my various questions in the past, I have noticed that certain words are not recognized by certain individuals. Often, I get the response, "There are different dialects, depending on whether you are from the North of Somalia, the South of Somalia, etc.". Or, ¡°We don¡¯t use that word, I¡¯m from the North, etc.¡±. Then, if I ask a different person who is from a different region, he / she would often times end up knowing the word. I have seen that certain words I would ask a person, he / she might know what it means, but another person would not have ever heard of the particular Somali word (and visa-a-versa ). The questions I ask Somali people are stemming from my readings in the Somali language, AND THESE BOOKS ARE DIFFERENT BOOKS WHICH ARE WRITTEN BY AUTHORS WHO ARE FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AND WHO HAVE DIFFERENT DIALECTS (people, some of which may be from the North, or some of which might be from the south). I need to have helpers from different places in Somalia. That is why I need more than 1 helper. So for this reason, I am in essence trying to get more than one helper in order to get that needed variety of dialects in order to get the answers to my various questions. Please forgive me if I have said anything wrong or incorrect about that, but this is my experience to this point, and this is what some Somali people around me have explained to me so far. So my basic idea is to be able to send my e-mail questions to more than 1 person (to a couple of people who are from different places in Somalia). That way, I can be sure to get the answer (that only a person from the North might be aware of, or only an answer that a person from the South might be aware of). That is why it is not practical to ask people in person in my city because it takes too much time running around trying to get different responses from different people with different dialects if the first person I ask does not know the answer perhaps due to the fact that this person is not from a certain region where a certain word is not even used (and this word just happens to be the word that I'm asking for the meaning of).
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"Why don't you just go to one of those Somali web sites and get grammar books and stuff?"

This is also not enough. I have already bought some English-Somali dictionaries, and I have access to Somali grammar books. But there are some questions that you need to ask others. For example, here is one question that you might receive from me: in a Somali text that I was reading, I saw this sentence, <<Hadda waa nin weyn >> . . I already knew the meanings of the individual words, "Hadda" = "Now / just now" <><> "waa nin" = "he's a man / it's a man" <><> "weyn" = "big". But I'm almost sure, based on the context in which this word appeared that the author was NOT talking about a BIG man, like a giant. I was thinking perhaps "weyn" was being used in the sense "adult" or "older / old man". But I was not sure. This was an example where I really needed a Somali person to let me type out this sentence to him / her in an e-mail (as well as the sentence before and after it), and then to have that helper simply explain the following information: "WEYNcan also mean 'such and such' and that in this sentence where the word WEYN is used, it means 'such and such'." -- Because I don't have the experience of hearing the language spoken in context (because I can't understand Somali spoken fluently yet), I sometimes need the help of a person who has heard these words used in various ways, and who is able to give an easy 3 second answer off the top of his / her head because it's his / her native language, whereas I can not do that.

There is another reason why I need more than 1 helper. Because these questions pop up often when I do my readings in Somali. I want more than 1 helper because I DON¡¯T want to burden and overload a small number of helpers with my questions in e-mails every 2 days. That is not polite, and it is inappropriate. So, I¡¯m going to get enough helpers to that I can divide up my questions among various people. That way, my MANY questions are being answered, but each individual is only answering about 1 e-mail every 3 weeks. And each e-mail only takes about 10 minutes or less to answer the questions. After all, if a person is kind enough to offer his / her help, then the least I can do is keep my questions to a limit for that person.
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And the last question that I've gotten a lot of times is, "Hey man, you are Somali, why don't you just admit it! I don't believe you!"

No, I am not Somali. I am American. I cannot prove it unless you live in my city and meet me.
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Well, I think that is about it. Once again, I apologize if this message is inappropriate for this area of the forums.

If any person is willing to help me, I WOULD VERY MUCH SO appreciate it. Basically, I need a person who speaks both Somali and English fluently, and who is also able to read the Somali language.

And by the way, please keep in mind that if you wish to respond to me about my message, you will have to e-mail me, because most likely, I will NOT return to see what messages are posted in this forums in response to what you have just read.

My e-mail is as follows¡¦

gateway388@hotmail.com

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