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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Asalaamun Calaa Man Itabacal Hudaa!

codsi: Wada aqri sheekada inta aadan meelo kale ka u gudbin)

Walaalayaal waxaan halka soo dhigay, arrin aad noo taabatey, ahna meel ka dhac loo geeystay Diinta & Sunnadda Rasuulka.

Waxaa ayaamahan nala joogey qof Axmed ísku magacaabey, sheeganayana inuu yahay qof Islaam ah, balse ku tumanaya Diinta islaamka dhan walba. Markuu walaalo badan isku dayeen in aay u sheegaan, ama ka qanciyaan weli meeshiisi ayuu taagan yahay, markaasu haddana mowduuc kale oo aad xasaasi u ah, lana dhowran karin furaa.

Wuxuu badanaa kusoo qora ingiriisi, quraankana af-ingiriisi ayuu ku yaqaan. Wuxuu xarriif ku yahay sida la isu qariyo, wuxuuna la qabsan ogyahay jawiga markaa jira, balse si tartiib ah ayuu SUNTA u daadiyaa.

Waxaa ugu darneyd tii uu Xadiisyaddii Nabiga meel uga dhacay oo uu yir ma sugna. Waxaa ku xigtey salaada oo yiri Saliga Ibraahiimiyaddu waa wax dadka jeebkooda kale soo baxeen.

Wuxuu dhowr jeer oo hore isticmaalay areyo sarbeeb ah oo qofkii Alle garnsiiyo garto. sida Idolworshipers oo ula jeedo Illaaheey oo loo yeelay wax kale oo lala weheliyo cibaadadiisa, iyo waxyaabo kale oo badan. Nabiga scw & Nabi Ibrahim wuxuu aaminsan yahay in aad Alle la wadaajisay cibaadadiisa cid kale, oo wuxuu aamin san yahay in waxan oo dhan meesha laga saaro. Heesaha waa aay banaan yihiin ayuu lasoo taagn yahay. markii loo sheegay Aaydaha Illaaheey ee ka hadlay heesaha sida ayaada 6aad ee Surat Luqmaan, wuxuu yiri: "Aayadu heeso ka hadli meeyso" asagoo dafiraya. Ninka waanu ku wareernay haddii uu saa kusii socdana dadka Iimanka yar qatar ayeey ugu jiraan.
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Halka hoose ayaan rabaa in aan kusoo bandhigo baaris yar oo ninka ah oo aan sameeyey.

Waxaan muddo ugu jirey KEYNTA, si dushana kala socday dhaqdhaqaaqyadiisa ku wajahan Forumyadda Islaamka qaasatan kuwa ehlu sunniga.

Alxamdu Lillaah waan soo helay, qaar kaloo badan waan soo wadaa.

Waxaan markaa walaalaha muslimiinta ka codsanayaa in aay haddiiba go'aan ka gaarin arrinka balse aay xaqiiqda raadiyaan. Waxaan idiin hayaa waxyaalo (xog) aad isticmaali kartid iyo meelaha uu farihiisu yaalo.

Ninkan wuxuu ka tirsanyahay urur la yiraahdo Submitters, magac jinigan waxaay kawadaan waa ISLAM, ka cararid aay ka cararayaan magaca ISLAM oo ah JUST AF CARABI.

Waxaa ka dambeeya oo fan gareeya yuhuuda, waxaa loo abuuray in aay dumiyaan tafaraaruq & dhantaalna ku ridaan Diinta Islaamka, si loola soo simo tan yuhuuda & Nasaaradda (yacnii hadba waqtiga jira la qabsato).

Urur shaydaankan Waxaa aas-aasay nin Coptic masaari ah oo horey muslim u aheyn balse gaal ahaa oo layiraahdo Dr. RASHAAD KHALIFAH. Waxaay la baxaan.

Sunnada Rasuulka daaqada ayeey ka tuureen, wax xijaab la dhaho ma jiraan, salaada si gooni ayeey u tukadaan, shanta waqtina lama tukado, xajka si kale ayeey ugutaan, wax walba oo maanta jira waa khalad oo waxaay wataan thier own version.

Sharciyo aay ayagu sameeysteen ayeey ku dhaqmaan oo aay dadka ugu sheekeeyaan waa sidii ASLIGA aheyd ee saxda aheyd. Waxaay isku mid yihiin FARAKHANIISIMKA (Nation of Islam).

Wuxuu ka tirsan yahay urur la yiraahdo FREE-MINDS oo Site ku leh internetkan.

Ikhwaati fil Islaam, arka oo booqda sida xun ee aay Diinta Alle ugu xadgudbeen, sunnada Rasuulka u dafireen, sideey rabaana u isticmaaleen.

Bal booqo Boggan: http://www.free-minds.org/Islam.htm

Ninka la baxay Axmed wuxuu had & goor ku wareegeystaa foorumadda Islaamka, qaasatan kuwa sunigu maamulaan.

Meelaha qaarkood waa laga eryey, waana laga tirtirey waxyaabaha uu soo dhigay markii la arkey.

Wuxuu hadda ku wareegeystaa IG-Forum (Islamic Gateway Forum).

Bal inta aad booqatid meesha http://www.ummah.net/forums oo raadi: magaca Ahmad Ali (waa asaga) mowduuca uu soo dhigay meesha ee layiraahdo ABOUT SUBMITTERS/SUBMISSION" uuna soo dhigay 19.nov.99. Akhii fil Islaam ishaada ayaa kuu macalin ah. Markaad tagtid Homepagekooda akhrisid, deedna arag submitters (waa sida aay isugu yeeraan ayaga).

Mowduucyadda uu soo dhigay halkaa waa aay badan yihiin, qaar kalena waa laga saaray. Wuxuu intii la doono isku dayaa inuu meesha isku qariyo. Waxaa jira nin aay isku mabda' yihiin oo layiraahdo LAYTH (Aqri xataa qoraalada LAYTH)oo aay isla shaqeeyaan isku mabda'na yihiin.

Waxaad kaloo tagtaa Forumka As-Sunnah Founadation Of America loo soo gaabsho (ASFA), lehna cinwaankan: http://www.sunnah.org/forums/lenter.htm deedna raadi Ahmed Ali and WHAT IS ISLAM?, waxuuna oo dhiga wiigii hore, ka raadi under search and write the topic in the felt. Ninkaan xataa hadduu khariyo magicíisa lama garan waayin qaab dhaqmeedka qoraaladiisa.

Waa ay badan yihiin..farna kama qodna..
Markaa walaalayaal DON'T LET HIM FOOL YOU!. Waxaad kaliya ku caawisaan oo kaliya Alle u barya in uu soo hanuuno!

Haddii aad rabtaa bog ka sheekeynaya taariikhda forqadan "SUBMITTERS" Insha'Allah gadaal ayaan idiinka keenayaa cinwaanka.

Forumka ASFA raggii asaga ka waaweynaa ee soo diray ayaa laga aryey, waxna ma soo dhigi karaan. Kana waxaa lagu yiri orod oo soomaalida u tagag, waxaa dhici karta in aay la socdaan dad kale oo af-ingiriisi ku qora si aay ugu noqdaan HIS WINGMEN!

Markaa walaalayaal iska jira. Ishiina ayaa macallin idiin ah. Waadna u jeedaan wuxuu kor ku qoray. Xijaabka dumarka qaataan xataa ma aay ogola.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum dhamaantiin!

Ansaari,

Walaalkiis...in kasta oo aanan aniga weligay meel na ka oran "i'm a submitter" hadana...hadii aad fasirtid ereyga "submitter" waa "MUSLIM"...marka maxaad uga dagaalamaysaa???

Waan booqday qolodaan "submitters" ka ah--waxay aaminsan yihiina...ISLAM ma`aha. Wax yaabo badan oo ay ku saxan yihiin baa jira---laakiin wax yaabo badan oo ay ku saxnayn baa jira.

Layth iyo aniga isku madba` ma nihin---weligay qof kaa masabid badan ma`arkin, Ansaari. Sidaan horeyna kuugu sheegay---maalin aadan HAL erey badali karin baa imaanaysa!

MEESHA weligay layga eryay sheeg??? WOW!!!

Ilaa maalintii aan is qabanay waad OGAYD---in aniga aan OGOLAHAY inay jirto sunno Nebi...laakiin waad ogayd inaan aaminsanaa inay jiraan kuwo la`aliftayba.

Aniga Muslim buu Alle iga dhigay---Xaqa Alle igu lee yahay...waa inaan ogaado RUNTA...ma`aha inaan caabudo waxa aabayaasheydii hore isoo bareen. Kuwii iga horeeyay baa waxaa lagu cadaabay inay aabayaashoodii hore quraafaadkoodii ay iska daba galaan---ayagoon su`aalin. Now look back and see what was the end of the unjust!

BBBOOO to you...for trying to lie, AGAIN! I'm here---to always tell it LIKE it is! Toodles! :-)


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ansaari

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Axmed!

Game-ka aad cayaarreysid, ciddii kaa dhegeysanaysa u sheeg, anigu kaa dhageeysan maayo.

Maalinba sheey cusub oo horey loo maqal noo keen.

- Free-minds-ku waxaa aay qoreen waa la arkey, sheeg ama caraabaab wax badan ee aay ku saxsan yihiin?.

Waxaad dooneysaa in aad dadka iska jeediso.

ABOUT SUBMITTERS/SUBMISSION" aad soo dhigay IG-forums 19kii nov.99 maxeey tahay? halkan waxaad rabtaa in dadka ka dhaadhicisid submitters maahi. Ma aragtay jawaabaha dadka maqaalkaada aqristey ku siiyeen?

Aqri fariimahaaga, dad aan la yaabin malahan. Xariifna waxaad ku tahay in lagu fahmin, BALSE waa lagu ogyahay!.

Waaba la ogaanee, ka warran su'aalahan!:

1- Imisa salaadood ayaad dukutaa? sideesa u dukataa?

2- Waqtigii Rasuulka scw. sidee loo dukan jirey? hadase sidii looma dukado miyaa?

3- Atixiyaadka saliga Ibraahimiyada lama aqrin karo, haddii la aqriyana waa Idol-worship miyaa?

4- Ka waranse Xijaabka?

5- Aayda 6aad ee Surada Luqmaan ku jirta waxaay ka hadleysaa LAHWI iwm, heesuhu LAHWI maahin miyaa? heesuhu waa kuu banaan yihiin?

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Ansaari

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Haddii aad booqatay bogga www.free-mids.org, lana yaabtey waxa aay meesha ku qoreen ayagoo muslim iska dhigaya, magacyo muslim wata, waxaa laga yaabaa in aad is-weeydiiso cidda aay yihiin & cidda asaastey iwm.

Jawaabahaas SUBMITTERS-ka ku saabsan oo dhan ayagoo kooban waxaad ka heli kartaa halkan: http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/cons_submitters.html


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Anonymous

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Ansaari,
waxaan aad waddid jooji ninyahow, add baa uu shaki baddantahay , nacnacda iskada orod oo shaqa yeelo

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Anonymous

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TO: Ansaari

Assalaamu caleykum

Walaal Rabbi baan ku dhaartaye shaki ayaa igagaley ninkaa waxaanan marar badan is waydiiyey cida uu yahay waxaan aad uga shakiyey waxyaalaha marna diinta waafaqsan marna diinta ka soo horjeeda. Rabbi baa og oo in lagu degdego ma fiicna laakiin si cad ayaan kuu fahmayaa. Bal aan sugno in uu ka soo jawaabo su'aalahaaga.

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Ahmad

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Asalaama Calaykum dhamaantiin!

Ansaari,

Walaalkiis, I told you many many many times---I'm Ahmad...One too strong to care anything anybody ever says about me---I walk on higher grounds...and I have ISLAM under my heart---a beautiful belief...that NOBODY can corrupt it, if one realizes it. I visit IG once every blue moon for a couple of days---and that is it. I don't like watching Muslims kill each other with such hatred words...and this place---"ASFA" was reffered to me by Ahmed(the OTHER Ahmed...why I had to use my last name)!

Anyway, you have the free choice to believe whatever you wanna believe about anybody---It was in hadith to NOT judge people by what YOU think they're...but what they say they're---and if they're hypocrites...let their Lord deal with them in a day where they cannot hide anything. That is a really advice for YOUR soul...not out of hatred but compassion---because YOU are Muslim.

Ansaari, you really don't know me. If the whole world came together---against my beliefs(by lying or crying or distorting)...it'd not matter. I have a belief that is strong---an Islamic belief of ageless...timeless...boundless; a way of life. So, don't mistake in thinking that you could ever ever try to persuade me out of my beliefs---it is not going to happen!

READ MY LIPS: I'm MUSLIM---I do KNOW that "submitter" and "Muslim" are the same in meaning...and if anybody, even you, chooses to call themselves that---I really don't see it as a problem. I belong in Islam---I do KNOW that "submission" and "ISLAM" are the same in meaning...and if anybody, even you, chooses to call the religion that---I really don't see it as a problem. And you don't have to agree/disagree with me in that---because it's YOUR view and MINE(can be different...or the same)!


As for you question---EVEN though I told you already,

1: I pray 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4. How do I pray---same with Sunni...with the exception of prayers for Muhammad and Abraham, etc. I do not utter any name other than that of God in my salats...except his shahadah(with Muhammad in it---and I do that...to testify MYSELF as a Muslim, even though God knows!)

2: Waqtigii Rasuulka---there was no mentioning other names. This began after a while...that Sunnis started adding Abraham and Muhammad...while Shias added Ali, Imams, and The people of the House(Ehlu bayt)...while some Wahabis started adding to "Abdul-Wahab" not too long ago. Do not forget, all the prayers we have today---existed before Islam in Arabia. Jews neglected them along time ago---but Arabs kept it...even thought they distorted(with gods, time-differences, etc)

3: Ansaari, Atixyaad walaa atixyaad la`aan---Salaada ma`aha duco dad kale ama naftaada loo sameeyo---waa mid aad ruuxadaada u samaysid oo lagaa rabo...oo Alle cibaadadiis loo sameeyo. Ibraahim wuu tukan jiray---asaga iyo Ismaaciil...Kabcada bay ku tukan jireen(did he pray for himself?)...CAN you pray for yourself in Atixyaad???

4: Xijaabka? I think the best way is the way of IKHWANUL MUSLIMIIN(Qayb Suniga ka mid ah!)---sida gabdhaha soomaliyeed oo wadaadada ah u xijaabtaan. I also do not believe that niqab(indho-shareer) is obligated!

5: Heesaha? Lahwul hadiith, Walaalkiis, wuxuu noqon karaa hadal kasta. God says in the Qur`an: "Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." 18:109! So, do you think God would leave for Ibn Katheer to translate that??? Wouldn't he just say "SINGING"???? Singing is like anything else in life---if it is used to do evil, it becomes evil...and if it is used to do good, it becomes good.


...and I have been to the site---where somebody just seems to be angry---why? It was the same author who said: "You'll find the most disastrous campaigns by Yahudis, Qadianis, Shia, and other enemies of Islam who say, "Just hold fast to Qur'an and don't follow Hadiths because Hadiths aren't reliable."" He is just angry at anybody who believes differently----does the YEHUDs ring a bell? Qurayshes? The People of Noah? Same story...same message! ISLAM is right...and plain and simple---it's illustrated in the Qur`an...no need to defend it with such way. Anybody who believes that there is a Prophet of God other than Muhammad after Jesus---is lost...and they do not need to be insulted, period!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Ansaari

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Asalaamun Calaa Man Itabacal Hudaa!

Axmed!

Weli su'aalaheygii si fiican uguma aadan jawaabin. Kunoqo si cad oo la fahmi karo ugu jawaab (with your Daliil). Meel kale ha uleexin.

1- Atixiyaadka lama aqrin karo saliga Ibrhm. ah ayaad tiri, Daliil la imoow?

2- Haddiise lasuubiyo ma IDOL-WORSHORSHIPING (shirki) miyaa?

3- Haddii Alle si toos ah u dhihin "SINGING" heesta waa xaaraam marka waxaad ii sheegtaa meesha uu Alle swt si toosa ku yiri markii aad salaada ka baxeysid (salaama naqsashada) ka biloow MIDIGTA u salaama naqso? Habka gudashada Xajkase?

4- Iisheeg Aayada oraneysa markii la dukanayo sidaa & sidaa haloo dukado? yacnii ma jiif mise istaag mise WHAT?

Waxaas oo kale ayaad xujo ka dhigata. Hadalkaaduna wuu is-burinyaa.

Allaah swt. wax kasta Quraanka wuu ku sheegay. Wax laga tegeyna malahan. Xabiibkana scw. wuuna baray, sharxay na tusay HOW, WHEN AND WHY aan u suubino acmalyaasheena.

Kitaabka Alle & axadiista ma isqilaafi karaan. Xadiis quraanka ka hor imaanaya xadiis maaha.
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Anonymous

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Asalaamu caleykum

Waxaan halkan soo koobiyeeyay maqaalkii Axmed qorey ee Submitterska ku saabsan.

About "submitters/submission"
Posted by A. Ali on November 19, 1999 at 03:21:10:
Asalama Alaykum All!

What is wrong with being "Submitter"??? It is just a meaning of the word
"MUSLIM" in English...just like "Submission" is the meaning of the word of
"ISLAM" in English.


I visited the sites of these people. And most of what they believe is Islam.
OK, so they believe that somebody was a messanger---well, lets start with
this: WAS Muhammad(pbuh) the last Prophet or Messanger? When we solve
this...we'll have our answers!

TO say we're "Muslims" in English...tells people, psychologically, that it's
"another religion" when ISLAM(Submission) is the religion of Mankind, from
Adam to Muhammad, PBUT. This is the same with "Allah"---alot of people
think that this is speciall god for "Muslims"...when He, ALLAH(GOD,) is the
God of Mankind. I read a Qur`ans that were translated into English...and I
must say the translators did a very good job translating words like, MARIUM,
TALUT, JIBRIL, ISA, IBLIS, Etc etc etc. My #1 though is...why translate if
you won't translate ALL. When you read in a english translation "isa" a
christian goes..."HEY, that is NOT my Jesus"---so what good did you do?


Words mean nothing, no matter what language you translate into. If these
people(the submitters) are writing "submitters" in Arabic also...let me
know---cause i'll have alot to say about that. Untill then, lets be fair.

I visited a site that was recommended by Ahmed---and all the site did was
tell lies and lies about these people. "Many verses in the Quran are rejected"
said the writer, when there is only TWO verses. Verses that a Koran that I
have of Arabic reads "the chapter is revealed in Median except the last two
verses". And, then the article is going on and on attacking these
creatures...without giving anything that was useful to me that I could
understand against these people.

Anyway, with the exception of a few(like the messanger of the covenant,
hadiths, at the end of world, jesus' status, etc) there are alot of things that
they're right about. So, they're just another sect...but a sect that remained
"ISLAM" by name.


The thought of Islam, itself, is something monothesim...open to God, with
submission entirely with heart and soul. If we do this, we won't be hi-jacked
by anybody, but as long as we're "defending" our fore-fathers...we'll just
end-up like the Christians and Jews.


May God bless us all...and direct us in his right direction.


Wasalama Alaykum!


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Response-ka Jawaabta maqaalkiisa:


Re: About "submitters/submission"
Posted by Layth on November 20, 1999 at 11:07:38:
In Reply to: About "submitters/submission" posted by A. Ali on November 19,
1999 at 03:21:10:

Salam to you all,

Ahmed Ali,

You have raised an intereting point that I find very few so called Muslims
willing to discuss:

MESSENGERS!!!

I was taught that Mohammed was the LAST prophet and LAST Messenger.
This is what I went around thinking UNTIL God opened my eyes to the truth
of His words.

"And for EVERY NATION there is a Messenger. When thier Messenger comes
to them, they will be judged equitably and there will be no injustice" (10/47)

"And We have sent to EACH NATION a Messenger that you shall worship God
and avoid evil..." (16/36)

Who is more TRUTHFULL than the Lord of the Universe?

Yet, most people insist on following thier idols that they have set-up besides
God and take what they say to be the truth, overriding God's own words:

"Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are like
animals, nay, they are worse-off" (25/44)

Peace, Layth
understand? They are like animals, nay, they are worse-off" (25/44)

Peace, Layth

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umu salama

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ASALAAMU CALAYKUM

KU:Ansaari

walaal khayr Alle hakaa siiyo sida aad uugu dadaalaysid sidii aad u difaaci lahayd diinta Alle baarakallaahu viik.

ammaa ninkanaa mar aad u horaysay ayaan ka shakiyey oo maba arkaysid marnaba isagoo dadka ku raacsan kolba wixii laga hadlayo oo khilaaf uun buu wadaa wali ma´arag maduuc uu ku jiro oo uu kamaqan yahay khilaaf teeda kale markasta wuxuu ku doodaa af ingiriisi oo waxaan is idhi wuxuu isleeyahay dadkaan baadariyada´ah ee sida hoose u soo gala forumska hakaala qayb qaataan waayo haduuna saas damac sanayn muu afkiisa ku hadlo ilayn waa sooomaali waxa meesha joogaaye.

markaa walaal Ansaariyoow meeshaada nooga sii wad oo ha maqlin dadkaa fiirada yar ee waxay u dhawaaqayaan aan garanayn.

umu salama

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samatar ahmed.

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Ansaari.
Walaal aad iyo aad ayaad ugu mahadsan tahay sidaad shaaca uga qaaddey ninkaan baadiyeysan ee ahmed ali isku magacaabey. Waaa nin isku mashquuliyey hadduu muslim yahay sida uu sheeganaayo fal sheydaan iyo dood uu ka dood san yahay ilaahey hadalladiisa. Haddiise nabi maxammed naxariisti alle ha waraabiyee uu nabi ka dambeyn lahaa nabiga waa noo sheegi lahaa quraankaba markii laga soo tagoo oo ilaahey ku caddeeyey arrinkaas. Nabi maxammed caleyhi salaam maaheyn selfish jecel in isaga uun ladaba socdo haddii nabi ka dambeeyo wuu sii dardaarmi lahaa siduu uga dardaarmy nabi ciise caleyhi salaam imaashihiisa oo muslimiinta ka mid ah qudhiisa. Warkiiyoo kooban shayaadiintu waa badan tahay ilaahey baannuna ka magan galney.

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Bashir abdi.

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TO AHMED.
Salaadda ilaahey tukaduu yiri iney shan tahay iyo sida loo tukadana nabigaa laga bartey. Aan ku weydiiyee:
1) ma waxaad noo sheegeysaa in nabi maxammed aan lagu dayan iyadoo quraanka ku cad waajibsanaanta in la raaco rasuulka alle ficil iyo hadal?..
2) ma waxaad na leedahay salaadda sidaad doonto u tuko?.. bal arrinkaan kasoo jawaab.

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geele

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ninkan nabiga nabinimo wuu uraacsan yahay siduu yidhi lakin sunadisa ma racsana.

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Rahma

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I just wanna say... Go Ahmad!!!! I totally agree with u 100%.. why are u ppl downing on him... what did he do wrong? Everything he is saying is true...
And don't u ppl realize that it is not our place to judge other.. only Allah (swt) can judge us...So i say leave the brotha alone!!1

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum dhamaantiin!

Bashiir,

Walaal, in Nebiga la raaco---waa wax waajib ku ah qof kasta oo Muslim ah! Qof aan Nebiga raacin oo dhihin "waxaan marqaati ka ahay in Muxammad uu ahaa Rasuul Alle"---Muslim maba aha!

Fadlan, kala saar inaad Nebiga ku dayatid---iyo inaad wax "Abu Hurayrah" yiri "nebigaa yiri" aad ku dayatid. Hadii wax Abu Hurayrah yiri "nebigaa" yiri...ay ka hor-imaanayaan Qur`aanka, hadaba anigu waan aqaan kaan raacayo! Hadii aad Qur`aanka ku dhaqantid---waxaad tahay nin Nebiga ku dayday...sababtoo ah nebigu ma samayn...wax aan Qur`aanka dhaqankiisa ahayn!

Waxay Muslimiintu igu noqdeen sidii Kiristaanka; "Ciise wuxuu ahaa Ilaahay oo dhulka yimid(God in flesh;)"...Maanta Muslimku waxay lee yihiin "maya, Qur`aanka kaliya kuma uusan dhaqmin"---hadaba ma Ilaahay oo dhulka yimid buu ahaa???


Geele,

Walaalkiis, SUNADA iyo NEBIGABA waan raacsanahay. Sunadu waa wixii Nebiga sameeyay(ficil ahaan/hadal ahaan)---waxaasna waxay ahaayeen wax Qur`aanka ka yimid; sidaas daraadeed, wixii sunada ah oo Qur`aanka waafaqsan waxaan u qaataa sida Sunnada nebiga. Wixii kalena...sida hadalka cadowgii Alle qur`aanka ku sheegay!


Rahma,

Well, thank ya, sista!LOL!HAHAHA! :-)


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!*>.<*

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Anonymous

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axmed meeshe laguu raacaa halkana sunada waad yeeshay meelo kale badan waad xaqritey. Malinba war cusub ayaa lagaa hayaa. hadaladaadu wey iska horimanayaan. Abuhureyrase ma beenloow buu ahaa?

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum!

Annonymous,

Fadlan aqri waxaan qoray; weligay aniga sunnada ma diidanayn---waxaan diidanaa wixii Qur`aanka ka madax-banaan(al yacni...wax Qur`aanka xarimin xarima...wax qur`anka xarimay amra, iwm)! Taas waaye---waxaan KUN mar ugu sheegayay dadkaan MA AHI "free-minds" walaa "submitters"...iyo Muslim baan ahay! Laakiin, wixii rabin inaad Muslim ahaato---Muslim uma ahaanaysid!

Abu Hurayrah hadii uu wariyay xadiis Qu`aanka ka hor imaanaya---waa been low! I know it sounds harsh; but Truth is harsh! Hadii wuxuusan warina laga sheegay---wixii ka sheegay baa beenlowyaal ahaa!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!*>.<*

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allaale.

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to. axmed
sheekadu waxay kulagashay meeshaad rabtay iyo abuu hureera?.
malaguu akhriyay wali sheekooyinka (triks) mustashriqiintu ugu gabadaan diinta islaamka duminteeda marka lagasoo galaayo xaga axaadiista,abuuhureera sidii kuwariyay waxaan oo axaadiis ah wakhti yarbuuba nabiga lanoolaaye?.!!!!!!. mase sheekadas wali maadan gaarin.
waxaad tiri hadii uu wariyay wax quraanka ka hor imaanayaa waa been low!!!.

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Muslim

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Asalaamu Caleykum

To: Ahmed, the so-called Muslim

Waxaan shaki iiga jirin inaad tahay GAAL aadna diidan tahay rasuulka iyo saxaabadiisa. Hadii aad diidid wax Alle iyo rasuulkiisa la yimaadeen gaal cad ayaad tahay. Abuu Hurayrana afkaaga quruunka ah ee aan edebta la barin ha la aadin. Ma taqaan abuu hurayra, magaciisa dhabta ah iyo wixii uu qaban jiray miyaad taqaan mise waxay gaalo kuu akhriyeen ayaad dabada ka wadaa. Ogooy inaad shiico ka tirsan tahay laakiin aad is qarinaysid ogona adiga inay ku dhibayso aysan cid kale wax u dhimayn. Waxaa soo arooray in saxaabada nabiga ay kuligood CUDUUL ahaayeen hadaad midkood wax ka sheegtidna cadaab Ilaahey kugu dageyso waxaana taasi daliil u ah wixii ku dhacay XIJAAJ BIN YUUSUF iyo kii adigoo kale ahaa ee masar joogay abuu hurayrana lagu saliday. Malaha kaas ayaa macali kuu ahaa. Ma hal hays baa abuu hurayra mise waa lagu jeesjeesaa. Ilaahey ayaan ka baryayaa inuu cuquubada saxaabigaas aduunka kuugu soo hormariyo aakhiro kula kulansiiyo adigoo JAHANAMA ku jira. Waxaad horey u af-lagaadeysay CABDULAAHI IBN CABAAS & IBN MASCUUD & MUCAAD, Ilaahey ayaad magacyadiisa fiicfiican iyo sifooyinkiisa sareeya ku waydiisanayaa inuu aduunka cadaab ku laxaawiya kuugu soo dadajiyo, aakhiro cadaabkii dambe kuu labanlaabo, Ilaahey midkaan saxaabada rasuulka caayaya Ilaahayoow adigaa awood leh ee muslimka ka qabo cimbrona uga dhig kuwa caqliga leh. AAMIIN YAA RABBI.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum!

Muslim,

Priests iyo Rabbis---baa waxay maalintii oo dhan Alle ka baryayaan in Muslimiinta baa ba`aan; sababtoo ah "aduunkii bay qurun ku fureen"----Habaarku xaq buu arooraa; Alle umbaa ah mid qalbi u saaxiib ah...oo og ummada qalbigooda! Ku habaari maayo---sababtoo ah Alle umbaa dhexdeena ku jira! Asagaan aaminsanahay(boqolkiiba boqol)---anigana uma haysto in aduun yahay waqti saas u dheer! Marka, adiga umbay ku dhibaysaa! Waxaad tahay another nameless creature from the net---habaarkaaguna...runtii wuxuu iila mid yahay; sida cayda aan soo arkay hortaa...nothing more!

As for Abu Hurayrah---waa nin been laga sheegto; laakiin hadii uu maanta noolaan lahaa...uuna ii sheegi lahaa wax Alle iyo Kitaabkiisa ka hor-imaanaya, waxaan dhihi "BEEN LOOW"---hadii aad taas igu haysatana...hadaba "muslimnimadaada" dib u su`aal!

Adigu waad habaartamaysaa kaliya---waxaan taagnaa ayadoo niman Islam ah oo Akhwanul Muslimiin ah---"wadaad" jiri amray...in ninkii Akhwaan ah la dilo! Marka, I have seen it all! So, the pathetic world---only makes me sad; not astonished!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!

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Bashir abdi.

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I have made my decision about you in my heart. I have a peace of advice for you. Ibliis is one of the most knowledgable beings in the universe. He even talked to god which was not done by thousands of prophets or may be more. Yet he is doomed for a simple misunderstanding about the obidience of god. The prophet had to make sure to leave no gaps in religion. Since QURAN teaches that there will be no prophet and no religion except Islam MUSLIMS are made the carriers of the message ,in a sence we are messengers of god's religion filling the vacuum of the prophets otherwise it would not be fair to say
Mohammed peace upon him was the last just to clear your confusion may be. Don't forget that certain things are left to our own good judgements which don't cintradict AQIIDA or faith. The prophet did not interfere for example the ingenuity and craftsmanship of the companion. Even when it came to agricalture the prohpet said( antum aclamu bi umuuri dunyaakum) look at this beautiful freedom of thinking and human spirit. I think there are thousands of fabricated ahadiths but are kept out of the pure religion by the works of many muslims ancients and todays by following a strict guidelines as to not put things in to the mouth of the prophet when he had nothing to do with it. You mentioned Abuu hureyra, I wish I was like him, having nothing to do with this godless universe,May be you should remember what the prophet said about them(his companions). If we did not have the help of A'isha,Cabdullaahi Ibnu cumar,Abaa Hureyra,Ibnu Cabbaas and many more we would feel at a loss when it came to specific dealings of JURISPRUDENCE which is again a blessing we have and that is we are entitled to think and get rewarded for it even if we miss. In conclusion, don't bussy yourself with things are not in your boundry to have a say. You seem to be angry at some of the history of human beings and may be how god selected his servants(this is a guess0 because you are arguing about people who are thousand years in a grave and and sometimes appear to be angry at them for simply being who they were. Please for your own sake, leave them alone because god loves them more than he loves us. Why bother about them. Mind your own. because it is good for you.

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ALLAALE

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assalama calaykum.
walaalayaal waxaan halkaan idiin hayaa fatwo aad muhiim u ah oo kusaabsan mawduuca ninkan (axmed) ah iyo cida lahal maasha ee diidan in axadiista nabigu s.c.w ay waajibatahay in laaraaco ayna tahay xujo, waxna si gaar ah sharciyayso iyo waliba xukunka qofkii arintaas inkara.
waxaan kasoo copy-yeeyay boga ISLAM QUESTOIN AND ANSWER.posted on 08-03.98
qofkii raba in uu indhihiisa ku soo akhriyana wuu heli karaa waliba ayadoo caribi ahna waad helaysaa!. indhahaagaa kuumacalina!.
waalabo su'aalood,mida hote ayaa muwduuca qusaysa.
fadlan wadi akhri.

604-questoin reference number.

Justification for following the Sunnah!.

Why do we have to follow the sunnah of the prophet
Muhammad and not just follow the quraan ?

Why do we have to follow a specific Mathab?
English translation.

Praise be to Allaah.

The first question may appear strange and somewhat surprising to
committed, practising Muslims. How can something which is so
obviously one of the bases of Islaam become a matter for discussion
and debate? But since the question has been asked, we will present,
with the help of Allaah, the principles and bases of the importance of
the Sunnah, the obligation to follow it and the ruling concerning those
who reject it. By so doing, we will also refute the doubters and the
misguided group who call themselves “Qur’aaniyyeen” (the Qur’aan
has nothing to do with them!) In sha Allaah this discussion will be of
benefit to everyone who wants to understand the truth of the matter.

Proof of the importance of the Sunnah

(1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for
example:

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the
Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah
described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being
a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between
obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon
him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .”
[al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon
him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal
Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those
who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah
(trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on
them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty;
resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord,
they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all
disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against
your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His
Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him)
and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life
. . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . .
(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah
and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(2) The Sunnah itself indicates the importance of the Sunnah. For
example:

(a) Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi’ and others that the Prophet
(peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you
reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or
prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in
the Book of Allaah.’” Abu ‘Eesaa said: This is a saheeh hasan
hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663).

Al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported
that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Would any of you
think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is
forbidden in the Qur’aan? I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned
and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is
in the Qur’aan, if not more so.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitaab
al-Khiraj wa’l-imaarah wa’l-fay’).

(b) Abu Dawud also reported from al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may
Allaah be pleased with him, that “the Messenger of Allaah (peace
be upon him) led us in prayer one day, then he turned to us and
exhorted us strongly . . . (he said), ‘Pay attention to my sunnah (way)
and the way of the Rightly-guided Khaleefahs after me, adhere to it
and hold fast to it.’” (Saheeh Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Sunnah).

(3) The scholars’ consensus (ijmaa’) affirming the importance of the
Sunnah.

Al-Shaafi’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “I do not know of
anyone among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een who narrated a report
from the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) without
accepting it, adhering to it and affirming that this was sunnah. Those
who came after the Taabi’een, and those whom we met did likewise:
they all accepted the reports and took them to be sunnah, praising
those who followed them and criticizing those who went against them.
Whoever deviated from this path would be regarded by us as having
deviated from the way of the Companions of the Prophet (peace
be upon him) and the scholars who followed them, and would be
considered as one of the ignorant.

(4) Common sense indicates the importance of the Sunnah.

The fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the Messenger
of Allaah indicates that we must believe everything he said and obey
every command he gave. It goes without saying that he has told us
things and given instructions in addition to what is in the Qur’aan. It is
futile to make a distinction between the Sunnah and the Qur’aan when
it comes to adhering to it and responding to it. It is obligatory to
believe in what he has told us, and to obey his instructions.

The ruling concerning those who deny the importance of the Sunnah
is that they are kaafirs, because they deny and reject a well-known
and undeniable part of the religion.
r religious verdicts; he must
ask those pious scholars whom he trusts for opinions when necessary.

We ask Allaah to show us the truth and help us to follow it, and to
show us falsehood and help us to avoid it. May Allaah bless our
Prophet Muhammad.

NB. HALKAAS WAXAAD OGAATEEN NINKII DIIDA AXAADIISTA NABIGA S.C.W . IN AY TAHAY QAYB SHARCIGA KAMID AH, KOLAY AXMED WUXUU DHIHI MADIIDANIN!!.
NINKII INTAAS KU QANCAAYO HAKU QANCO NINKII NINKII KALANA DOODA HA SIIWADO!.
WAL CILMU CIDALLAAHI.
AKHUUKUM, ALLAALE.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum All!

Bashiir,

Thanx for making a decision in your heart about me(suddenly...I feel all important!)

Am I angry? Of course, i'm angry...but not at them; but with THIS nation(and time)! For every turn that man went wrong---there is a mistake to learn from; one can either ignore it...or deal with it!

Had it not been for the gift of choice that God had given us---NONE of the non-Muslims would convert to Islam! This is so because they judge upon what they have...and what they're offered! Some, of course, deny it without even looking at it---while others spent a great deal of time...knowing it!

For everything from Satan to Adam and Eve...and from Pharoah to Thamud and Aad, and from Noah's people and Lot's, while Children of Israel and the desert Arabs; there are lessons to be learned. The Qur`an is not just a book of a bunch of verses that command---but also a book of life...that teaches man what he knows not(and what he can't percieve!) It is a book of wisdom and has its Greater powers; it opens itself to the human-heart and asks to say; "YES, what a wonderful GOD!"

It's a protection to the pure heart; and gives knowledge and abudance of mercy to the unlettered! As every ounce of my body yearns for it, let me Glorify my Lord; Praised Be to God, the Lord of the Universe!

Sorry, not trying to correct you; but nothing about this universe is godless; MAN is the ungrateful being...and it was THAT was since the begining of time! Start with Adam and Eve, and Abe and Canan, please, by the way!

Go out at night in a full moon and see how it just sits there...while it's REALLY walking...and is not going faster than its appointed time---see the birds that fly without falling off---see the MAN who is ungrateful and worships other dieties but God...and yet breathes, peacefully---see the chaos in the streets(free-ways)...and nothing crushes, but a few---see a picture of your throat and see how little where your food goes through is...without it falling to the bigger one---see the ocean and how it comes...and then returns with its appointed way; and you say the "godless universe"??? Look how the universe is glorifying its Lord! It's Man who is unjust---unjust to himself!


...didn't mean to write so much!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Walaalkiin

Unrecorded Date
Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Dhawr jeer ayaan Ahmad su'aalo waydiiyay wuxuuna isku dayay in uu iiga jawaabo ina qanciyo hadda waxaan jeclaan lahaa iyagoo iga raali in aan su'aal weydiiyo Ansaari iyo walaalaha kale ee Ahmad la doodaya.

Walaalayaal idinkoo mudan oo weliba raali ah waxaan idinka codsanayaa in aad ii fasirtaan ama ii sheegtaan macnaha Aayaddan:

"Idcu Ilaa Sabiili Rabbika Bil Xikmati Wa Mawcidatil Xasana, Wa Jaadilhum Billattii Axsan. Rabbikum Aclami Biman Dhalla Can Sabilihi Wahu Aclammu Bil Muhtadiin" [an-Nahl 16:125]

"Ugu yeera dadka jidka (tubta) Rabigiin si leh XIKMAD iyo wacyi gelin wanaagsan. Kuwa aad wax u sheegaysaanna kula dooda sida ugu habboon. Rabbigiin baa og kuwa ka lumay (habaabay)Wadadiisa Isagaana Garanaya kuwa hanuunsan."

Translation: Pickthall
"Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright."

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Deggan

Unrecorded Date
Asalaamu calaykum waraxmatullah

Ku: Ansaari, Muslim iyo walaalaha jecel inay nooleeyaan SUNADA NABI MUXAMED SCW

Walaal Ansaari allaha kaa abaal mariyo mowduuca qiimaha leh ee aad furtay iyo sida aad nooga digtay kuwa raacay hawadooda.

Ku: Ahmed,Walaalkiin IWM

Allaah ayaan ka magan galaynaa sharka aad umadda la dhax wareegeysaan Allaahna waa idin arkaa waxaana ayaan darro ah in aad islaam sheeganaysaan haddana aad fahamkaas haysataan oo aydaan guryihiina la fadhinin ee aad la timaadeen NETKA waxaadna ogaataan in Allaah uu ku filanyahay kuwa isku daya in ay dadka ka jeediyaan jidka Illaahay.

Waxaa laga yaabaa in walaalaha qaarkood ay ila yaabaan oo ay dhahaan Walaalkiin hadal xaq ah ayuu ku hadlay ee maxuu dhimay? Walaalayaal waa run oo waa hadal xaq ah muuqaal ahaan laakiin meeshaan oo kale markuu ka hadlo cid ayuu gacan siinayaa waana cadahay cida uu gacanta siinayo ee uu u gacan haatinayo ee ha la iska jiro teeda kale ninkaan Walaalkiin ah dhowr maqaal ayuu horay u furay wuxuuna ku durayey dad dhowrsoon marka bahal ceeriin ma daayo nina caadadiisa ma baajiyo.

Walaashiin Deggan

Walaahu calaa maa naquulu wakiil

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum dhamaantiin!

Deggan,

Horta waxaa is waydiin mudan...Axmad ma u baahan yahay "gacan-siin"??? Fadlan, aniga ma`ahi nin qaydkiisa gacanta ku wata---waxaan ahay Muslim; Alle caabuda...asaga mooyeena aan cid kale cibaado iyo ilaahnimo u aqoonsanayn! Alle baa iigu filan "gacan-siin" Qur`aankuna waa gaashaankayga! Marka, waxba calyada ha iska dhameen!

Hadii 'Walaalkiin' uu gacan cid siinayo---Alle iyo diintiisa unbuu siinayaa; anigana ima yaqaan...sambaatiyena igama uu rabo! Marka, fadlan, nabad-geli adoomada ilaahay!


Wasalama Calaykum!


Ahmad!

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Walaalkiin

Unrecorded Date
Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Deggan gacaliso waa runtaa oo Axmad baa garab siiyay sidoo kalana Ansari ayaa gacan siiyay oo weliba walaalay kii gafana gacan baan siin kii quman garab baan u noqon soo sidaa ma ahayn sidii uu nafaray Suubanow Rasuulkeenii Calayhi Salaatu Wa Salaam.

Deggan walaal soo sidaa ma aha siduu Ilaahay Na Amray "Waajidil hum billattii AXSAN."

Haddii intaa ay dhaaftana waxaan dhihi sidii Ilaahay Na Amray "Wa Idaa Khaatabahum Jaahiluun Qaaluu SALAAM."

Nabad Allah Ku Yeelo Deggan walaal iyo weliba Ramadan Kariim.

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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allaale

Unrecorded Date
to.walaalkiin.
assalaama calykum.
waxaa fiican in aad kala saartid qofku markay doodiisu mira dhali karo iyo marka kale!.hadaad lasocotay arinta axmed dhinac walba wa lagala daalay adaa dan u quusan doona!!.
midakale qofku markuu xumaantiisa asaga kalya ku egtahay iyo markuu daaci yahay waakala duwantahay,marka danmbe waa sida ahmded oo kalee waa khasab in dadka looga digo!.
Ugu danbayntii waxaan jeclaan lahaa in aad kala hadasho ahmed mawduuca asalkiisa ee iinan waqtiga kulumin masaa'il farac ah, axmed waa nin qur'aani ah oo aan xujeeysan haba yaraatee wa axaadiis ah marka wakhtigu waa qaali.
salaamun calykum.

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Umu salama

Unrecorded Date
Asalaamu calaa manitabacal huda

KU: DHamaan dadka diinta Alle(swt)u doodaya waxaan idin leeyahay baarakallaahu viikum wa ramadaanu mu baarak.

KU: Ninka isku magacaabay (Axmed)

Garan maayo waxaad ku sii indho adagtayahay ee aad uugu doodayso muslim saxa ayaan ahay.....

waxaad tidhi " anigu kitaabka Alle uun baan raacayaa" garanay taas. laakiin bal dib uugu noqo kitaabka Rabbi (swt) saw kuma taalo (laqad kaana lakum vii rasuulillaahi uswatun xasanatun liman kaana yar jullaaha wal yawmal aakhira wadakarallaaha kathiiraa) suuratu Axsaab.
(wamaa aataakumu rasuulu fa khuduuhu wamaa nahaakum canhu fantahuu,wataqullaah inallaaha shadiidul ciqaab)suuratu xashar.

markaa adoo og in rabbi casaa wajala uu ku yidhi saas seed ku keentay inaad tidhaahdo uuma tukanayo suu suubane(scw)uu´u tukaday u tukan maayo.Horta waa su´aale yaaba kaa aqbalaya salaadaada hadii aanad u tukan sidii nabiga (scw)

sawna ma ogid in hadii aad ku sii indho adkaatid mawqif kaaga,uu camal kaagu noqon...
( caamilatun naasiba,tas laa naaran xaamiya) mise adoo ogba ayaad ku sii indho adagtahay.

teeda kale AAAAAAAAllaaahu adinalaka,inaad wuxuuna Alle suldaan ku soo dajin aad shar ciyeyso am calallaahi taftaruun adiga & xulafadaadu.

midna ogoow hadii aad diidid wixii uu rasuulku (scw)la yimid kuligii waxaad ogaataa inaad tahay

KAAAAAAAAAFIR ALLE (SWT) & RASUULKIISABA(SCW) KU BEEN ABUURTAY.......
hadii kalaa Alle utoobad keen oo sunaha rasuulka(scw)ku dhaqan & saxaabadiisaba.........
hadii aad diidana WAYLAK WAYLAK WAYLAK MINA LLAAH.

UUGU danbaytiina waxaan ku waydiinayaa. Horta kuma salidid miyaa Rasuulka (scw) adoo ku saliyaya wali kuma arage mise taana waad diidan tahay.

wallaahu aclaa wa aclam

umu salama

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Deggan

Unrecorded Date
Asalaamu calaykum waraxmatullaah

To: Ahmed

Waxaan ku leeyahay hadey run kaa tahay muslinimmada aad sheeganaysid Illaahay u toobad keen inta ay goori goor tahay oo nafta aysan qarqaradda kuu soo istaagin, waxaana kuu sheegayaa sidaad ogtahayba inaadan xaq ka jeedin karin wixii shaqinimo loo qoray ma´ahane naftaadana ha ahaatee, waxaana mar kale ku leeyahay ALLAAH AYAA KUGU FILAN OON KUGU DAYNAY.

Mida kale oon kuugu dari lahaa waxay tahay gacansiinta uma baahna aqoon (in la is yaqaano) ee nin walba xisbi ayuu ka tirsan yahay inta uu aduunka joogo aakhirana isaga ayaa lala soo kulmin waana XISBULLAAHI iyo XISBUSHAYDAAN.


Ku: Walaalkiin

Waxaad tiri: "Axmad baa garab siiyay sidoo kalana Ansari ayaa gacan siiyay oo weliba walaalay kii gafana gacan baan siin kii quman garab baan u noqon".
Ninkii raba inuu wax fahamo waa fahmi karaa oo adigana way cadahay waxaa tahay mar hadaadba la soo shir tagtay ninkaas hadalka ka yiri HADYIGII Nabiga(SCW) iyo saxaabadiisii ayaan garab siinayaa maadaama uu adiga kula saxsan yahay oo kula quman yahay.
Aniga awalba waa ku ogaa ee walaalahaan lahaa wax ila arka iyagana waa arkeen ayaan rajeynayaa.

Waxaase is weydiin mudan waxa uu Ansaari ku gafey? Ma inuu xaqii muujiyey ayuu ku gafay? Kallaa! Waana lagama maarmaan in xaqa la cadeeyo "Liyuhlika man halaka can bayyinah wa yaxyaa man xayya can bayyinah" iyo "macdirattan ilaa Rabikum walacalahum yattaquun". Asluubkii loogu tala galay gudashadiisana kama aysan gaabinin walaaalaha(ahlu sunnah) oo dhan intaan arko.

Walaashiin Deggan

wabillaahi towfiiq

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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Salama caleykum!


Walaalkiin

Madaama aan ayaamahan aad u mashquulsanaa, ayaan ka cudur daaranayaa in aan kaala soo daahay jawabta su'aashaadi maqaalkii Thursday, December 2, 1999 - 11:08 am: aad halkan soo dhigtey.

Walaalkiis, ma aanan fahmin micnaha ullajeedadaada, waayo micnaha aayadda ayaad iweydiisay haddana adigiiba ayaaba isaga jawaabey

Waxaad sheegtay in aad garab isiisay marna Axmed siisay, ma fahmin walaal taas? maahin in aad tiraa hadba midbaan gacan/garab siiyey...Ogoowna haddii laga aamuso khalad ama gef loo geysanayo Xabiibka (iyo asxaabadiisa) amaba Diinka Alle amaba loo laab jilco in aay qatar weyn tahay..Akhirana la is sa su'aali doono.
Markaa walaal arrinkan ma ahan ANSAARI Vs AXMED balse waa illaalinta & dhowrista caqiidadeena suuban si aan loogu xadgudbin. Qofkii qaldana qaladkiisa TOOS loogu sheego.

Walaal, Diintu ma ahan dood & fikrado & siddaan rabaan yelayaa & sidaas ayaa loo badan yahay, balse waa Hanuun, Toosnaan, Raxmad xag Alle ka timid saameyn-na ku leh nolosheena xag kasta haddii ay noqon laheyd mid maadi, diin, dhaqaale, bulsho, siyaaso & ruuxiba.

Diintu waxey leedahay Xaduud aan la dhaafi karin, haddii la dhafana wax hagaagaya malahan oo xaraanta ayaa xalaalobeysa, xalaashana wa ay xaram noqoneysaa, wuxuuna qofku garaa heer uu ku socdo waxa maskaxdiisa xun ee hilmaamka badani ee daciifka ah TUSTO, kana tanazulo waxyaallihii ALLE (swt) faray.

Ok!, Walaalkiis, ADIGUBA waad aragtey Axmed & waxa uu meesha la yimid, waad aragtey hadaladiisu sida aay isu burinayaan, marka waxa aan ku qaldamay waa maxay ee aad raadineyso?

Adigu miyusan aheyn qofka meelo badan ku haystay is-burin xaggiisa awgeeda & su'aalo uusan kaa qancin. Waxba enerjiga ha iskaga idlayn.

Dadku horey ayeey ninkan uga quuseen, waxna ma galaan dadka meesha isugu yimid oo dhana wuu ka cilmi badan yahay. Saas darteed ayaan uga gaabsanayaa doodiisa madaama bishii barakeysnayd ee Rabadaan wiigan inoo bilaabmeyso.

Qofkii fidno & shar ummadda islaamka lasoo gala Allaah ayaa qabta oo fashila.

Alle ha inaga haayo wixii shar & fitint ah, hana ina tuso dariiqa TOOSAN! amiin!.

Cafi & masaabax ayuu iga yahay qof walba oo MUMIN ah... hala is cafiyo!

Ansaari
Wabillaahi Towfiiq!

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Ummu Salama,

You start with; "Ninka isku magacaabay (Axmed)" excuse me for butting in...but my name IS Ahmad(Axmed)...and I do not need you to tell me what "my name" is! You can be a little more respecting than that...for Muslims respect each other!

And, if you can't find such thing---I'd gladly add you to my "ignore list" beside Yaska and Ansaari(even though some may claim they *ignored* me!)

Aayada aad soo qortayna...waa aayad aan aaminsanahay! Tusaale iyo wanaagba Ummada waxaa u ah...Nebiga Alle; asagaa lagu daydaa, asagaana Nebigeena ah--oo wax toosiyay! HADABA, Nebiga *yiri* habar-walba ma`uga raacaynaa??? Xataa hadii *nebigu yiri* wax kitaabka ka soo horjeeda? MAYA! Taas macnaheeduna ma`ahan inaan Nebiga aanaan raacin...laakiin inaan diidno fidnada Ummadu la timaado oo hadana u saarto "Nebiga!"

Taas waa godka nin walba salaysto; *nebigaad neceb tahay!* hahaha! Bal arag Kiristaamiyiinta; "waxaad ka soo horjeedaan Misiixigii Ciise!" Ma qof Muslim ah oo Alle yaqaan baa Misiixiga Ciise ka soo horjeeda? Laakiin taas waxay u isticmaalaan inay dadka "guilt trip" ku deyaan...and that doesn't work with me!

Waan jeclahay...waana raacaa Nebiga; waana jeclahay Nebiyada Alle oo dhan, mana kala saar-saaro...sababtoo ah KULIGOOD waa nebiyadii Ilaahay Abuurtay...una soo dirsadey adoomadiisa inay wanaag u keenaan! Nabad-gelyo iyo naxariis iyo wanaag iyo qayr Eebaba dushooda ha ahaadaane!

And, oh yes, I do not like to 'bad-mouth' women on the net or anywhere else...so please; lets be civilized, shall we?


Ummu Salama, keligaa baan bal kuu dhahayaa inaad ku degto`e...bal dhagayso;

((Allahuma salli calaa Muxammad, wacalaa aali muxammad, kamaa sallayta calaa Ibraahiim, wa calaa aali ibraahiim, inaka xamiidul majiid;

Allahuma baarik calaa Muxammad, wacalaa aali muxammad, kamaa baarikta calaa aali ibraahiim, inaka xamiidul majiid!))

Walaashiis, ha iloowin, hada anigu salaad kuma jiro! Salaada ALLAH baa iska leh---iyo ALLAH kaliyah! :)

Walaashiis, IN KASTA oo aadan i dhihin Ramadanu Mubarak; aniga iga aqbal, Ramadanu mubarak! Alle na waxaan ka rajeeyay---in wanaag dhamaanteen Ramadanka Alle nagu siiyo!


Deggan,

YES, "Hisbullah" and "Hisbushaydaan"---and God is above all! I hope best for you!


Wasalama CALAYKUM!

Ahmad!

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Bashir Abdi.

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Ahmed.
waxaad innoo sheegtaa your school of thought adigoon u fahmin qalad iyo buugaagta aad ka shidaal qaadato.

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FOWZI

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SALAAMULAAHI CALAYKUM 'AHMED LAMA WADAAGO DADKAAN SALAAMAYO UMANA SOCOTO KUMANA WAAJIBIN''

WAXAAD MOODAA SOOMALIDU INAANAY FAHMIN NINKAN LAYIRAAHDO AHMED

MARKA HORE HAWADA MOODINA UMADA ISLAAMKA INAY YIHIIN DAD SUNI AH MACNAHEEDU DADKA QAATAY AXAADIISTII LAGA SOOWERIYEY RASUULKA EE ASXAABTU KAKEENTAY
MARKA WAXA JIRA DADBADAN OO SHEEGANAYA MUSLIM ASAAN OGOLAAYN WAXA LAYIRAAHDO AXAADIISTA
WAXA JIRA KUWO CAAYA ASXAABTA RASUULKA WAXAAN DHACDAY IN AANU MAALIN MAALMAHA KAMIDA KUSIGTAY INAAN LADAGAALAMO NIN SHIICO AH OO CAAYEY ASXAABTII QAARKAMIDA

MARKAA WALAALAYAA DADKA ISLAAMKA KUWA SHIICADA AMA WAX YAABAHA KALE EE KHURUFAADKA AAMINSAN WAXAA LAGU QIYAASAA INAY CAALAMKA MUSLIMKA KAYIHIIN 4% HALKA SUNUHU KAYAHAY 96%

MARKAA AHMED WAA MIDKAMIDA SHIICADA OO IYAGU UGU YARAAN USII KALA BAXDA 5 ILAA 6 QAYBOOD MARKAA SIDAA ULA SOCDA WAXAA LAGA YAABAA INUU YAHAY '''MURTAD''' AMA AABIHII CAAQIDADAN XUN EE BAADILKAA EEE UU AAMINSANYAHAY UU KUDHALAY

WAANA SOOMALIGII UGU HOREEYEY EE AAN ARKO EE AAMINSAN WAXAAN SUNAHA RASUULKA AHAYN

MARKAA SALAANTA MUSLIMKU KUMA WAAJIBTO NINKAAS ASXAABTA RASUULKA (SCW) CAAYAYA
EE YAAN WAX HADALA LAGA DHAGAYSANIN WAA FIDMOOLE KUDHEX JIRA UMADEENA SUNAHA MUSLIMKA AH

WAAANA WAX LAGA SUGAYEY IN AY SOOMALI 'GAALO SHIICO KUWO DABKA CAABUDA IYO KUWO AAN ILAAHBA AAMINSANAYN INAYSOOBAXDO KADIBMARKII CIQAABKA DAGAALADU INAGU DHECEEN EE MIDBA MEEL KADUULAY

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaat

Haddii La Idin Salaamo Ha Dhina Muslim Ma Tihid. Marka lagu salaamo celi salaanta sida loogu salaama iyo weliba si ka wanaagsan!

Ramadaan Kariim
Anigoo nabad ah oo bad qabna Ilaahay Ha Inala kulmiyo Ramadan Bisha Qur'aanka ee khayrka iyo barakada badan. Bisha ay ku jirto habayn ka khayr badan kun habayn (84 sano). Bil qofkii Ilaahay u naxariisto dambgiisa la dhaafo aakhri iyo adduunba liibaana.

Beri oo Arbaco ah (Dec 8, 1999) ama Khamiista ayaa Soon Bilaabanayaa. Haddii caawo ay sugnaato bisha Ramadan ha u daymo la'aan oo xusuusnow in aad TARAAWIIX tukato.

Ansari walaal "GAAL" waa magac qof kasta oo IIMAAN leh ka gubto. Qof walaalkeen ah oo khaldan ama aan garan wayno sida uu wax u wadana waa magac aad ugu xun Ilaahay baana ka magan galnay.

Haddii walaalkeen Ahmad ku dhawaaqay Asha-haadada oo uu qiray LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUUL LULAAH mayna ka dayno magac xun ee "GAAL" aynu ku sheegayno? Saw kama fiicna in aan ku dhahno "walaalow amaa laga fiican yahay sida aad wax u leedahay?"

Haddiise Ilaahay Amray Rasuulkiisii Suubanaa Sallaahu Calaylhi Wasalim "Fada Kir Inamaa anta MUDAKIR lasta calayhim bilmusaydhir" oo aan ku turjimay 'XUSUUSI WAXAAD TAHAY XUSUUSIYA OO KELI AH XILKA KU SAARAN WAA IN AAD DADKA WAX XUSUUSISO EE KUMA LIHID MAQUUNIN AMA KHASAB.'

Haddiise Ilaahay Rasuulkiisii Suubanaa Calayhi Salaatu Wa Al-Salaam Ku Booriyay "In Kunta Fadan Qaliidal Qalbi La Anfarruu Min Xoolika" oo aan ku turjimay 'HADDII AAD AHAAN LAHAYD MID QALAFSAN OO QALBI ADAG WAY KA DIDI LAHAAYEEN AGTAADA.'

Walaal maxaa diidan in aadan ka daalin in aad si MIYIR iyo KALGACALO leh aad ugu yeerto una XUSUUSISO qofkii markaa kula khaldan?

Ansari walaalkaygii Muslimka Ahaayow waxaan kuugu cataabayaa in aad gaarti go'aan ku haboonaa oo ay tahay in aad ILAAHAY iyo Adoonkii u dayso oo aadan adigu "GAAL" ku sheegin qof ASHAHAADADA qiraya? Xitaa haddii uu khaldan yahay!

Ilaahay Ha Inaga Yeelo Kuwii Ku Guulaysta Safarkan Gaaban oo Sahay u Qaata Cabsida Ilaahay. Aakhirana Ilaahay Ha Inaga Dhigo Ku Liibaanay oo Janaatu Firdowsa Hoyigoodu Noqday.

Kuwii Sooma oo Salaada Ilaahay Hortii iyo Jacaylkiisa. Kuwii ku walaalooba Ilaahay Dartii. Kuwii Waxa Wanaagsan Fara Wixii Xunna Ka Leexda.

Ilaahayow Naga Aqbal Wanaagga Hana Noo Qaadin Xumaanta iyo Gaf aan Galno.

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Salaamu caleykum

Walaalkiin!

Walaal, Shakhsiyan, annigu ma jecli in aan qof Islaama ah GAAL ugu yeero, haddiise aan ugu yeeray oo ay caqligeygu isiiyey oo aanba qaldamay waxaan CAFIS weeydiisanayaa Allaah inuu iga cafiyo igana dambi dhaafo waxaan kaloo cafis weydiisanayaa ruxii muslimka ah ee aan ku xadgudbay.

Walaal, su'aashu waxaa weeye maxaa keenay arrintan? maxaase igu dhaliyey shaqsiyan?

Waxaa keenay markii aan arkey waxa aad adiguba aragtey, sida markuu xadiisyaddii beeniyey yirina waa labadbadalay (waaba cajiibe sidee ayuu ukala gartaa kan la badaley & kan labadalin illeen xadiis saxiixa oo Quraanka ka hor imaanaya malahane)waxaa kaloo ka mid ah sida markii uu yiri salaadii ayaa la qurunsaday oo Allaah cid kale ayaa salaadi lala wadaajiyey, iyo weliba sida markii uu yiri anigu SUNNI ma ahi......!! SUNNI yuu yahay? ma sect-baa? Mase labarbardhigi karaa dad diintii ku ciyaarey oo Islam magac kor ka haysta sida Shiico, Axmadiyo, Quraaniyiin, submitters, Nation of Islam (Frakhanism), sufism on and on..?

....Markii loo nasteexeeyeyna, daliilo la tusay wakanaa waa sidiisi oo baab kale oo ka daran kii lagu haystay ayuu keena...... Markaa maxaa la is dhihi karaa? Ma cilmi xumaa/jaahilnimo u geesay? ma qof la dhumiyey baa?...ma qof gaala ahbaa? waa lagu wareeray. Ogoowna Waxaan arkey Gaalo ashahaadaneysa!!!!!.

....Wuxuu meelo kale (other message boards) soo dhigay maqaalo sida "About submitters" wuxuu meel kale bog-doodeed kale soo dhigay "What is Islam" markaa ayaan ninkan u bogi waayey una arkey qof shar muslimka la dhex waregaya.

Markaa maxaad dhihi? Talo diid, cid weli ku raacsan mowqifkiisa ma jirto. (MA WADAR BAA waalan MISE waaxid) (ma Caddan ayaa laga heesayaa mise Annaa waalan) ayaan maqli jirey. Intaanse sheekadu aad u xumaan imisa illaa & imisa ayaan iska laadlaadney inuu kasii daro mooyee ka raynin.

Walaal waxaad tiri: " "GAAL" waa magac qof kasta oo IIMAAN leh kagubto". Balse waxaan ku weeydiinaya Iimaanku waa maxay? Iimaam taam ahi makuu fasaxayaa in aad khilaafto siddii rasuulku u tukan jirey? Iimaanku ma ku fasaxayaa in aad sidaad rabtid ama sida aay kula tahay Diinta u fasirtid? Waxaad rabtid ama ku anfacaya ka qaadatid inta kalena qubtid?

Axmed hadduu XAQ raadis yahay ha keeno kitaabadiisa & daliilihiisa annaguna waan keenaynaa (shaqsiyan anniga ahaanteey). Haddii uu inaga saxsanaado waa walaalkey, waan raali-gellin waana qaadanayaa qaladkeyga hadiise uusan saxsanaan lana tuso xujooyin cadcad & Daliilo quraanka & axaadiista Rasuulka ha kasoo noqdo mowqifkiisa, Allaahna dambi-dhaaf ha weydiisto. Ma yeelayaa TAAS?

Mideeda kale WALAALKIIS, qof diin yaqaan baad u egtahay, haddana waad ka warwareegeysaa BOOGTA. Walaal meeshan ma ahan labo koox (Milan & Parma) loo kala safan yahay ee waa dad Diin isku haysta haddii aad na dhaantid ama cid qaldan u jeedid TUS ciddii qaldan ugana nasteexe si asluub & wanaagba leh.

Wa salaama....

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Gama'did.

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Mar Horaan Ka Niyad go'ay.
Waxaan aad iyo aad u tix gelin jirey inaan ku iraahdo qof walboo soomaaliyeed ASSALAAMU CALEYKUM anigoo muuqaalka soomaalinnimo daraaddeed ku go'aamiya islaannimadiisa. Haddase dhibaatooyin faro badan ka dib waxaan go'aansadey islaannimadu ineyan aheyn u dhalasho oo ay tahay rumeyn iyo ku dhaqan qofkii laga waayana laga gaabsan karo. Teeda kale sidaan u immid dhulalkan shisheeye ee gaaleed waxaan ogaadey in cilmiga diinta laga billaabo barashada ILAAHEY si aan loo jahwareerin
oo aysan dad badan ugu dhicin godka ay qodaan CULAMAA'UL KALAAM IYO ALFLAASIFA. Waxaa ii sii gabagabeeyey arrinkeygii oo shakiga iga saarey AHMED oo i tusey in soomaali laga helo GAAL IYO GAAL RAAC maqaar iyo muuqaal islaamba wata.

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Bashir Abdi.

Unrecorded Date
Ahmed.
Waxaan hore kuugu sheegey qoraalkeyga inaan go'aan
kaa gaarey sidaan kuu arko anoo ku saarey miisaanka islaamiga ah ee qofka caqiidadiisa la saaro haba ahaado dadka kan ugu cibaado badan qofkaas miisaanka la saaraayo. Waxaa aad QARIIB iigu ah in nin soomaaliyeed oo waliba diin bartey
sidaadoo kale kadood san yahay MAQAAMKA RASULKA IYO SAXAABADIISA. Haddaad kun jeer i tiraahdo
ASHHADDU ANNA MUXAMMADDU RASUULULAAH waxaan ku oran lahaa ALLAAHU ACLAM anigoo cuskanaaya hadalladaada iyo doodahaagii hore.Runtii anigu markaan arrinkaan leeyahay waan kan xumahay oo waligey nin soomaaliyeed ayaad inkireysaa jaceylkiisa nabi maxammed uu u qabo maan is oran.
Habeennada qaarkood saddexda aroornimo 3am ayaan kacaa bal sidaan ugu noqdo waxyaabahaad qortey. Waxaan la doodaa nafteyda oo aan ka dhaadhiciyaa bal sidaad wax u aragtey inaan anna u arko. Gababadii ilaahey baa og xaalkaaga adna meel shaki leh baad naftaada dhigtey. Rasuulkii ilaahey wuxuu noo sheegey "INAAN KA FOGAANNO MEELAHA AMA WAXYAABAHA TUHUNKA INNOO SOO JIIDI KARA" oo aan meel cad mar walba marno ama aan ku dhaqanno.Ramadaan ba muddo labo bari ama hal bari ka harsan yahay mana rabo inaan qasaariyo soonkeyga sidaa daraaddeed GAAL BAAD TAHAY KUMA LIHI hase yeeshee ILAAHEY BAA OG ISLAANNIMADAADA.

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Zamiil.

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YAAA AHMED.
Ahmad hal ixsaan samee oo dadkaan warkuba hasoo jareene. waxaad halkaan kaga jawaabtaa su'aalihii
ahaa 1-SIDAAD U TUKATO SALAADDA.
2-SIDAAD U WEYSEYSATO.3-INTA SALAADOOD OO AAD TUKATO.4-SALAADAHA SUNNADA IYO WAXAAD KA AAMMINSANTAHAY. Mar marsiinyo iyo philosophy looma baahna. Aan muranka deynee warkaan soo caddee.

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fowz

Unrecorded Date
to Ahmed

waxaad kajawaabtaa su,aalahayn

1 miyaad kudhalatay oo waalidkaa ayaa kuudhigay
waxanaad aaminsantahay ?
2 miyaad kuraali noqotay adigoo wayn markaasaad katagtay wixii aaabahaa aaminsanaa ee soomalidu sunaha ah ?


bal axsaan samee oo labadaa su,aalood ka soo jawaab markaas ayaanu kula doodikaraa

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Walaalkiin

Unrecorded Date
Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

XAGEED KA GALI LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUUL LAAH?"

Dagaal culus oo Rasuulkii Ilaahay Salallahu Calayhi Wasallim siduu Eebihiis u baryaya ayuu Saxaabigii Weynaa Sadiiq Abubakar ka keentay in uu ku Yiraahdo Saaxiibkii Nebigeena Suuban "U Kaadso U Kaadso!"

Seefta ayaa qabta la isku hayaa oo xaga iyo xaga dhiigaa daadanaya. Cadceeddu way ku lushahay Asaxaabada Ilaahay Ha Ka Raali Noqdee waa laga badan yahay oo kiiba mindhaa toban Kaafir baa ku beegan.

Dhiigii baa kacay cabsi ma jirto caqliguna wuxuu ku sheegayaa "Guul ama Shahaado."

Qadhaa la iska jaray.

Saxaabadii maydkoodii iyo dhaawacoodii baa hareeraha kaa yaal.

Igaar aan baqayn oo seef la dhex galay Muslimiintii mid uu dilo iyo mid uu dhaawaco ka yeelay sidii isagoo laamo geed jaray.

Markuu kugu soo beegmay oo Ilaahay gacanteeda la kulmiyay ayay SEEFTII ka dhacday!

Jilbihuu dhigtay oo kor kuu eegay..

Saxaabadii hadda mid mid u jarayay hadana hoostaaduu fadhiyaa.

Haddii ay isaga ahaan lahayd kuuma tureen..
Turis aa! Naf kuguma sugeen..

Weli dagaalkii wuu socdaa wakhti badanna ma haysid..

LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUULU LAHAA
ayuu ku dhawaaqay..

Weli hoostaaduu fadhiyaa gacantaada seefta kor u sida ee qoortiisa ku socotuu arkaa..

LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUULU LAHAA
ayuu ku celiyay...

Miyar badan ma jiro seeftu weli qab qabtay ku haysaa Saaxabadii baa kaalmo kaaga baahan kanna..kanna hadda Ashahaatayna kolay kuuma tureen dhiiguna wuu kuu muuqdaa..miyir badanna ma jir..

Sow qoorta uma dheerayseen?
Qab oo qoorta goo!

Sidaas ayaa dhacday oo taariikhdu hadaba sheegtay. Markii loo sheegay Raxmat Lil Caalamiin (Raxmaddii Ilaahay Caalamka U Soo Diray) Nebigeenii Suubanaa oo isagu cimaamadu ka dhacday intuu Ilaahay Baryayay oo gacamha kor uu u qaaday ay muuqatay kilkiladiisu muxuu yiri:

"Ma adaa qalbigiisa jeexay oo ogaaday in uu run sheegayay. XAGEED KA GALI LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUUL LAAH?"

Xaalad adag oo dhiigu qubanayo ayay ahayd Nebigeenu wuxuu yiri "XAGEED KA GALI LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUUL LAAH?"

Walaalyaalow HA IDINKU FILNAATO LAA ILAAHA ILLA LAAH MAXAMED RASUUL LAHAA oo dadka nabad geliya.

Qofkii idinla khaldama ama aad u bogi weydaan ku dhaha 'NABAD ALLAHA KU YEELO!'

Bisha Ramadaanna dheh "ANAA SAA'IM..WAAN SOOMANAHAY!"

Barakada Bisha Ramadan iyo Naxariista, Dambi Dhaafka iyo Layltul Qadarka ay xambaarsan tahay kuwii ku guulaysta Ilaahay Ha inaka Yeelo.

Bal maxaa ka fiican marti soddon maalmood kula joogay oo sahaydiisa sita oo intuu kula joogo iyo markuu kaa tagayaba hadyad habayn walba ku siinaya.

Yaa heli kara WAABA RAMAADAAN E!

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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allaale.

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to.walaalkiin.
assalaama calaykum.
LAA'ILLAAHA ILLALLAAHU waxay leedahay nawaaqid ama waxyaalo buriya marka ma'ahan in qofkii shahaadataynka ku dhuwaaqaaba uu waligiis muslim yahay caqiidadaas waxaalayiraahdaa al-irjaa dadka aaminsana waa murji'ah.
midakale ismalaha xadiiska iyo arinta axmed waxaan dhihi karaa waa daliil macal faariq,ninkaas markaas buu islaamay marka waa arin qarsoon in ay dhab katahay iyo inkale laakiin axmed wuu kaduwan yahay arintaas allahu aclam xaaladiisa dhabta ah laakiin wuxuu ku hadlayaa wax yaalo burinaaya kalimada tawxiidka marka walaalow umada ha u hoosaasin caqiidada faasidka ah.

FG.ramadaanka igamancinmayso in aan ka digo caqaa'idka ahlu bidcada, ninkii laqwi kuhadlaayo ha iska aamuso.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum dhamaantiin!

To; dhamaantiin!


WOW! Laba bari lee maqnaaye...maqaal badanaa!hahahahah! Haduu Alle idmo, wiiga dhamaadkiisa(jimcaha/sabtida) ayaan soo qori doonaa maqaalo! Inta intaas ka horaysa; dulqaad wanaagsan!

Sidoo kale, Ramadam Mubarak...dhamaantiin!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!

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Ansaari

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Salaamau Caleykum

To: Walaalkiin

Marka hore Allaale ayaan ku raacsanahay fikradiisa.

Marka xiga waxaad tiri qof marba hadduu ashahaadanayo waa gaal lama dhihi karo." Marka walaalkiis waxaan ku weeydiinayaa su'aashan:

- The submitters or freeminders-ku ma muslimbaa mise waa gaalo walloow aay muslim isku sheegan ashahaadanayaana!

Bal booqo Boggan, aqriso kadibna isii jawaab:
http://www.free-minds.org/Islam.htm


Wa salaamu.....
Ansaari

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum dhamaantiin!


Bashka,

School of thought? There shouldn't be one other than ISLAM! Let them leave...whoever else wants to be a "name" other than Muslim or Islam in thought! MY school of thought is Islam!


Fowzi,

HAAHAHAHAH! You're a funny one...4% is the Non-Sunnis in the Muslim World???? BOY! OH, BOY! You sure are sleeping! Maybe that is in Somalia(but then again, Somalis too...have way too many suffis!) UNTILL middle 80s, most of Somalis were Suffis...who did wicked things that are SO non-islamic! INCLUDING...having graves in Mosques!(What a such an Idol-Worship!) AND We know that the "Aqwanul Muslimiin" were "GAALO" according to our Suffi Scholars! Fatwing that Muslim girls who covered themselves...to be bothered(rock-throwed, etc)! Killing Muslim men because they're "BID`AH!" LOL! And 1000 times LOL!

Waa runtaa...anigaba waan arkay shiico caynaysa Khaliff cumar, Abu Bakar, iyo Cismaan---oo leh waxay ahaayeen "gaalo" iyo haakadaa!

Waa yaab; xataa iima quurtid "asalama calaykum"---waxaadna i waydiinaysaa su`aalo Islaamnimadayda ah: yaad isku malaysay? DON'T flatter yourself!


Zamiil,

Mar hore baan waxaas soo qoray!(fiiri..."SALAADA" ee qaybta Islaamka ku taala!)


Allale,

I'm very much sure...that it wasn't just "murji`ah" who hold the hadith where God says; "if you say Laa Ilaha illalah---and come to me with all evil that would fill between the heavens and earth...but you do not associate my Glory with anyone, I will come to you with forgiveness that would fill between heavens and earth!"

And no...good things must be told! The prophet would preach religion during the month of Ramadan in Arabia pre-Islamic Era---because it was the safest time for him to do so! SO, Ramadan is good---and warning people against evil(as you say you're doing) is part of being Muslims!

OH, and just by the way, Ansaari was saying; "wadar iyo waaxid kee waalan"---sometimes, as HISTORY in the Qur`an teaches us...wadartaa waalan! :)

Ramadan Mubarak wixii Muslimiin ah!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!

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ALLAALE

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to.axmed
salaamun calaa man itbacal hudaa!.
xadiisku wuxuu bishaaro uyahay ahlu tawxiidka wayna badanyihiin axaadiis noocas oo kale ah laakiin yaa axaadiista raacaya!.
axaadiista noocaas ah makala reebto kaalimada tawxiidka ama waxay kublibaataa QOFKII ISLAAM AH AMA QOFKII MU'MIN AAH .....
sidaaan horay kuugu sheegayna kalimada tawxiidku waxay ka kooban tahay labo qaybood LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAHU IYO MAXAMADUN RASUULULLAAAHI.manakala harto.
OGOLOW SUNADA NABIG SCW AAD LIIBAANTAAS WAX KU YEELATIDE.

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Ramadan Kariim

Ansaari walaal doodaydu ma aha in qof kasta oo Ashahaataa yahay MUMIN.

Walaalow Ilaahay Baa Ku Dhaartay "May, Rabbigaa Baan Ku Dhaartaye, Si dhab ah Iimaankoodu ma aha ilaa ayaa qaataan go'aanka aad gaarto markay dhexdoodu wax isku qabsadaan isla markaan ayna dhibsan oo ayna gocan go'aankaa. Ayna isu dhiibaan si buuxda Ilaahay."

[an-Nisa' 4:65.39] But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission."

Aayadan Ilaahay Wuxuu La Hadlayaa Nebigeena Suuban Sallalaahu Calayhi WaSallim iyo dhamaanteen addoomada garashada gaaban oo isla weyn.

Iimaankeenu ma dhame haddii aan ka gows qabsano SUNNADA Nebiga.

SUNNADU waa maxay?

Waa wax alla iyo wixii laga soo weriyay Nebigeena Suuban (SCW):
1- Hadal uu yiri
2- Fal uu Sameeyay
3- Fal dad kale sameeyay oo uu diiday ama ogolaaday ama ka aamusay

Waa dhab in la isku dayay in la tarxo oo la barxo oo la khaldo SUNNAD Nebiga sidaas baynu u leenahay CULUMO ku takhasustay SUNNADA oo u kale saartay:
1- Mid la isku raacay
2- Mid wanaagsan
3- Mid daciif ah
4- Mid been ah oo la diiday

Dooddaydu hadaba walaal ma aha qofkii Ashahaata waa MUMIN ee waxay tahay qofkii Ashahaata AMAAN HA HELO.

Haddii magan qof kuu soo gelo soo in aad NABAD geliso ma aha. Qofkii Ashahaatay MAGAN weeye ee ha la amman geliyo.

Taas micnaheedu ma aha in la qaato waxa uu sito iyo khuraafaad waayo wuu Ashahaatay.

Xaasha walaal sidaa ma aha. Qofkii wax la yimaada adoo walaalow degan oo dabacsan si XIKMAD leh ula dood oo isku day in aad u soo jiidato dhankaaga iyo sida XAQ ah.

Haddiise aad tiraahdo GAAL. Hadalkaa waxaa la socdo XUKUN adag. Qofkii MURTID noqda waa dil xukunkiisu. Walaalow miyaan fulin karnaa XUKUNKAAS?

Haddiise walaalkeen leeyahay MUSLIM baan ahay soo NASTEEXO iyo Caqli Celin naguma leh?

Ansari walaal waxaan kugu kordhinayaa in walaalkeen Ahmed inta badan doodiisa uu ka soo qaatay halkan ee bal iyadana akhriso:

http://www.submission.org/salat-how.html

Waxaan hubaa in uusan Ahmad wada qaadan waxa ay qoladani sheegayaan oo in badan ka tagay markii uu qorayay SALAADA sida uu isagu u tukado.

Ramadan Kariim

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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Ahmad

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Asalama Calaykum!

Allale,

Fadlan, Allale, waxaad ii sheegtaa meesha Qur`aanka Alle inoogu sheegayo cid tiri; "Laa ilaha Illalah...Musa Rasullulah" or "Ibraahimul Rasullulah" or "Ciisa Rasullulah!" and FADLAND ha iloobin---ISLAM waa Islam...from Adam to Muxammad! Sidoo kale, ha iloobin, in dhaqanka(salaada, soonka, zakkada, xajka, iwm) ay naga soo gaareen Ibraahiim!

In yar haba yaraatee oo qalbigayga ka mid ah---ma diidana inuu yahay Muxammad Nebigii Alle...sidoo kale in la QIRO oo la dhaho "Muxammadan Rasullulah" ayadana ay tahay WAAJIB qofka Muslimka ah saaran! HADANA, waxaan rabaa inaan ogaado "shahaadada towxiidka"---waxay tahay!


Walaalkiin,

Walaal, saan horayba kuugu sheegay---dadyow badan baan wax ka qaataa; RUNTIINA diinta Islaamka maanta waa firdhisan tahay...cid walba *qayb* bay sidataa!

Mid u eg inuu *xun* yahay iyo mid u eg inuu *san* yahayba...diintii waa dhexdooda! Kitaabka Qur`aanka ahna...waa indho---lagu socdo! Waxaan mahad u naqayaa Eebaha ilaaliyay Kitaabkiisa; Rabiga Koonka!


Ramadan Mubarak!


Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!

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ayub

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i used to follow and enjoyed a debate with a somali person named abib who was one of the submitters and another somali person named bashir on soc.culture.somalia forums.

Citizen News Paper, Tucsan  AZ Apr 28 1990
By  Josef Garrcia
 
          End Of The world is May 19, 1990
 
May 19 will be the end of the world as we know it.
So say followers of Rashad Khalifa, the internationally known Moslem leader founded stabbed to death in his Tucson mosgue last January.
 
Using Khalifa's contervarsial teachings and disputed mathematical formula-beliefs that detectives and followers believe promoted his slaying- members of the masjid of Tucson yesterday predicted that an asteroid or comet will strike the face of the earthin three weeks.
 
  The ensuing blanket of smoky, poisonous gases covering our heated atmosphere will result in millions of deaths and  a schorched Earth, they say. Believers, however, will be saved.
 
                      "" It is going to happen,""
 
Behruz Mofidi ( RK)  said in an interview yesterday.
 
""There is no 'if' or doubt. There is no way that anyone can stop it, God says in the Koran, to delay or to advance it""
 
Mofidi acknowledged that in past, religious groups predicting worldwide catasrophes and raptures not only have been ridiculed, they've been wrong, often resulting in the demise of their sect.
 
"" It is our mission to tell everybody,""  he explained.
 
"" Now, we know that most people, they think
 
                            WE ARE  CARAZY;
 
they will not accept it . It sounds carzy, we know it"".
 
 
But he added that because  of the warning, it is not too late for non-believers to submit to God and be saved.
 
      "" Come to God and nothing is going to happen to you,"" Mofidi said.
 
The May 19 " day of retribution" was mathematically concluded by using complex equations involving Khalifa's controversial No.19 base code, how it relates to passages and prophecies in the Koran, and by factoring in his date of death.
 
Khalifa's followers used the Jan.31 " assassination" date because they believe he was Messenger of God- a reference the rest of the Moslem world reserves for Mohammed.
 
"" This is proven mathematically. you cannot say that two plus two is not equal four,""  Mofidi said.
 
""  We have discovered in the Koran, subsequent to the intial discovery of the code  over 19 years ago, that there are many phenomena in creation where you will find the common demoninator of 19, ""  said E. Douglas Brown who worked Khalifa for 20 years.
 
""  There is absolutely no doubt that this ( catastrophic ) event is going to take place"" Brown Said.
 
"" What God God has provided us with is  mathematical proof-not attitude, not opinion, but mathematical proof rooted in the Koran that this is taking place. This is God'will.""
 
  Desipte the group's claim, scientists doubt that an astroid or comet will collide with the Earth on May 19.
 
"" That's good one, ""  said Thomas Geherls, a University of Arizona astronomy professor and world-renowned comet and astroid expert.
 
"" It is always a finite possiblility that an asteroid may be coming right straight at you, but this  would probably have been known for many years,""  he said.
 
Although absolute certainty is restricted by the fact that not all of space has  been thoroughly mapped, Gehrels noted that the mathematical possibility of such  a powerful asteroid hitting  the earth is only once in every 100 Million years.
 
But Khalifa's followers say the event is a once-in-an-eternity opportunity for the believers of " One God" to be saved, the Koran to be identified as the true holy book for all, and Khlaifa to be recoginzed as the Messenger of God.
 
"" The majority of Moslem do not accept this and dont believe it, "" Brown said, referring yo Khalifa stature and numerical code, "" and this is in fact one of the reason why this retribution is forthcoming, why God literally says in the Koran, ' Now they remmeber a messenger had come to

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Ayub,

The end of the world is 1990??? but we're still HERE! :)

The end of the world is ONLY with God---none shall know it untill it arrives! BOO to those who claim they "discovered" it! A messanger was sent so that he could tell us that??? But I have seen it way too many times in the Qur`an...that the knowledge of it rests with God untill it arrives? Be a submitter or subsider, it's wicked to try and tell the future without knowledge! It's ONLY God who knows the future!

Blessed is God who revealed the Qur`an for guidance; with it...none shall go wrong! Submitters are kind of people who just leave me with "WHAT???" I have never seen or heard more crazy things than what they believe! The Freebie-minders...are even more laughable!Hehehe!What a world!


Ramadan Mubarak to all Muslim!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!

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ayub

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from soc.culture.somalia forums:
Subject: Re: The Sunnah and The Submitters

elmi wrote:

>...Just picture in your mind a person who does not have a
>clear understanding on how to practice and perform
>the pillars of Islam. What kind of Muslim would he be?
>We are wondering how the so called "Submitters" perform these duties !!!


Briefly, Rashad Khalifa began a process of completely re-inventing Islam, based on his own readings of the Qur'an and the alleged numerical
miracle, and his followers have extended this. Practical consequences include:

They rejection of hadith as a source of Islamic law.

The adhan, if it is done at all, does not include the second half of the Kalima, mentioning Muhammad, SAS.

The prayers do not include in the du'a, any mention of Muhammad.

All prayers are done aloud. Usually they do not recite anything in them other than Allahu Akbar, Subhan Allah, and the Fatihah.

They do not stand in rows. The
imam does stand a little forward of everyone else.

Women do not cover their heads, even when praying.

They support fasting by calculation of the month.

They follow the translation of the Qur'an by Rashad Khalifa to be a new message, abrogating the former.

They follow the rhumb line direction in prayer, which means south-east in the United States.

They generally follow modernist (i.e., appealing to the modern mind) interpretations of the Qur'an.

There are many other differences which are on the level of belief rather than practice; they are too numerous to detail, but some examples that
come to mind are:

They reject any sort of intercession.

They acknowledge that Muhammad was the seal of the prophets, but they recognise Khalifa as a messenger, believing that all prophets are
messengers but not all messengers are prophets. They base this on an ayat in sura 3 mentioning the covenant taken with the prophets.

They believe that sins committed before the age of forty are generally forgiven.

They consider that the Rashad khalifa mentioned early in sura 2 refers to Satan.

Oh, yes, they believe that the last two verses of sura 9 were added by the committee which compiled the Qur'an, and were not part of the original
revelation.

They believe that there is a numerical code interwoven through the Qur'an based on the number 19 mentioned in sura 74. this code, in their
view, is inimitable and explains many mysteries, such as the initial letters prefixing some suras.

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ayub

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this is what the messenger of submitters said:

".....During my Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, and before sunrise on Tuesday, Zul-Hijjah 3, 1391, December 21, 1971,I, Rashad Khalifa, the soul, the
real person, not the body, was taken to some place in the universe where I was introduced to all the prophets as God's Messenger of the
Covenant. I was not informed of the details and true significance of this event until Ramadan 1408. What I witnessed, in sharp consciousness,
was that I was sitting still, while the prophets, one by one, came towards me, looked at my What I witnessed, in sharp consciousness, was that I
was sitting still, while the prophets, one by one, came towards me, looked at my face, then nodded their heads. God showed them to me as they
had looked in this world, attired in their respective mode of dress. There was an atmosphere of great awe, joy, and respect. Except for Abraham,none of the prophets was identified to me. I knew that all the prophets were there, including Moses, Jesus, Muhamed, Aaron, David, Noah, and
the rest. I believe that the reason for revealing Abraham's identity was that I asked about him. I was taken aback by the strong resemblance he
had with my own family - myself, my father, my uncles. It was the only time that I wondered, "Who is this prophet who looks like my relatives?"
The answer came: "Abraham." No language was spoken. All communication was done mentally. It is noteworthy that the date of this fulfillment
of the prophets' covenant was Zul-Hijja 3, 1391............" Appendix 2.


(MY OWN EXPERIENCE)
"..When God's covenant with the prophets was fulfilled in accordance with 3:81, I was taken to Heaven where the righteous live NOW (4:69).
While my body was down here on earth, I was in the same Paradise of Adam ..."



(THE CRUCIAL AGE OF 40)


Appendix 32
"What is the age of responsibility? If a child dies at the age of 12, without even hearing about God, does this child go to Heaven or Hell? What if
the child is 15 years old, or 21, or 25? At what age will the human being be held responsible for his or her beliefs? This question has puzzled
researchers of all religions for a long time.
The Quran sets the age of responsibility at 40; ANYONE WHO DIES BEFORE THIS AGE GOES TO HEAVEN (46:15). If the person believed in
God and benefitted from belief by nourishing and developing the soul (see Appendix 15), he or she goes to the High Heaven. OTHERWISE, THE
PERSON GOES TO THE LOWER HEAVEN. Your first reaction to this piece of information is objection: "What if the person was really bad, evil, and an atheist, will he go to Heaven if he died before the age of 40?" This is because you are mean, while God is the Most Merciful. Our
tendency is to "put them all in Hell."

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib <eb72380@goodnet.com> wrote:

> >Does the Qur'an say anywhere that if there are more
> >than four steps in one's ablution, it is invalid?
> >For example, if I take a step or wash my neck
> >while I am making ablution, have I invalidated it?
> >If I brush my teeth, does it invalidate my wudu'?

You responded to these tree questions by saying

No, NO, No

Then you wrote this:

> Allah did not tell his servants to do extra four steps of ablution.

Nor did Allah prohibit his servants to follow His
prophet's examples. In fact, Allah enjoined the
believers to follow and to obey the prophet.

>and Allah's Prophet DIDN'T add anything extra to Allah's commands.

Do you have evidences that the prophet DIDN'T
wash his nose, mouth, ears while making the wudu
or did you learn this from Rashad Khalifa?

> If you do the extra steps (washing nose, mouth, ears...etc) out of your
> own personal choice, and out of personal choice alone, then I see no
> harm. But when you do it because you THINK that they are REQUIREMENTS
> from Allah and you tell people to do likewise, then you are committing
> Shirk and you are attributing falsehood to Allah.
> Now my question is: Do you do the extra steps of ablution out of personal

> choice or you do them because Allah 'secretly' told the prophet?
> And, by doing so, you are following Allah's command?


What you don't understand is that I don't claim to
follow my opinion when I do these extra steps.
These steps were done by the prophet and I'm following his
practice, because the prophet's personality was in all types
of virtues that are held up by us(Muslims) as the object of
imitation both in his practice and sayings. His wonderful life
was a living illustration and explanation of the Qur'an.

And if your aim is to scare off the believers by saying that if they followed the examples of the prophet, they are "committing shirk and attributing
falsehood to Allah", it will not work, Mr. Abib, for we aren't like the Khalifates when their teacher(Dr. Rashad Khalifa) told them the same scare
tactics in order to mislead them from the way of the
examples of the prophet to a cult membership called submitters.

Allah said in his Book this:

"Assuredly there has been an EXCELLENT PATTERN,
for you in the messenger of Allah, for him who hopes in Allah
and the Last Day and remembers Allah much"

>Someone other than Allah is telling you to do those extra steps.

And someone other than Allah told you not to follow the prophet's examples and he is Dr. Rashad Khalifa.

>Believers obey Allah and what is in His book unhesitantly.

Believers obey Allah(Qur'an) and His messenger(the example's of
the prophet) In fact, Allah told the prophet to tell the believers this:

"Say thou, if you are wont to love Allah, then follow me,
and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins; and
Allah is Forgiving, Merciful"
"Say thou, Obey Allah and the messenger then if they turn
away, surely Allah does not love the infidels" (3-31,32)

>They add nothing to what He prescribe and they take nothing out

True believers don't neglect some of the Qur'anic words in Allah's Book(9:128-129)

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ayub

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MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
> Abib,
>
> Your last post proved that there was nothing wrong with the Ahaadiith,
> for, you too think that Allah has instructed us to follow the good deeds
> of our prophet (SAWS).
>
> As Bashir once argued, Ahaadiith is nothing more than stories. I have read
> most of the 40 Hadiiths Ina Da'ud wrote in this wall, and to be honest
> with you, they make a lot of sense. As a matter of fact had we, Somalis,
> applied the wisdom in those Hadiths we would turn out to a better and more
> humane society.

Udub,

We know from the Qur'an that our messenger is an example of conduct for us. Now, the Mr. Abib and the Khalifates will attempt to convert that
into a mere reference to the Qur'an, as if the prophet's actual conduct were irrelevant.


Here is an example:

>The Prophet of Allah was an obedient servant. He would NEVER add anything
>extra to Allah's commands. You can call these extra steps Sunnah or
>whatever fancy names the devil inspired you to use, but adding anything
>to Allah's commands is Sun-sheydaan and not sunnah.

Now, to convey the message is one of the commands, but Mr.Abib, as his teacher
thought him, is adding many words to the Qur'an in order
to ensure that we will understand it his way(the Rashad's way).

The so called the English translatoin of the Qur'an by Rashad
Khalifa are full of this particular polemicist and they are thoroughly offensive.
The fact is that Mr.Abib and Khalifites have their own sunna, a set of practices ostensibly based on the interpretations of the Qur'an of Dr. Khalifa.
And it is quite uniform; yet it is not what one would necessarily derive simply from reading the Qur'an. One example is the SALAT!!! Why can't
he(Mr. Abib) will not tell us the way Dr. Khalifa thought him how to perform the salat if he thinks extra these steps that aren't
found in the Qura'n were "fancy names the devil inspired"?

>Do you have solid evidence that he did those extra steps? It is all
>hearsay, isn't it? And even if he did those extra steps, that would have
>been his choice, would it not? We will not be asked to do any rituals
>that are outside of the Quran. But we will certainly be asked how we
>applied and followed Allah's commands that are detailed in the Quran.

The Qur'an itself is hearsay, of a particularly high grade. And, yes, the
extra steps were the choice of the Prophet, and he showed the Muslims the
best way to do the wudu is his way.

>Mind you those extra steps include how he showered, ate, walked, talked,
>dressed or slept. If you are doing anything differently, you are
>disobeying the sunnah of the Prophet, is that a fair conclusion? How do
>we define what is sunnah and what is obligatory?

Sunna is the practice of the prophet. It may include commands which would need to be
obeyed, but it is not a command in itself. It is, rather, an example. One looks
at an example in order to understand how to do a thing. Not every aspect of
the example need be imitated, but one abandons an aspect of the example at
some hazard. Perhaps it is important and we simply do not see why the wisdom
behind them. However, whatever the prophet did, we know, is the right to do, especailly in matters in CIBBADA(WORSHIP).
But certainly we are not commanded to follow every aspect of the Prophet's
sunna. The prophet himself is reported as saying this:
"apart from what is forbidden, do what you like."

>When you count the total days of his prophethood, they were approximately
>8395. The total Hadiths attributed to him are countless but number over
>10,000. On top of this, he had Quran to convey to the people and receive,
>wars to fight, caravans to take, families to raise and mediations and
>consultations to participate. It makes you wonder, when did he ever have
>the time to participate all these idle talks we learn from hadiths?

First of all, "total hadiths attributed to him" is not a particularly relevant figure. There were many hadiths for which some are true and many of
them are actually reports of the same incident from another witness.
Given the prophet's life and activity, it would not be surprising that one event per day might be reported by someone. And so Mr.Abib and the
Khalifates are the ones who are after multipling idle talk.

At one time, Mr.Abib says that there is nothing wrong doing extra steps that aren't in the Qur'an and at another time, he calls these extra steps as
"fancy names the devil inspired"

Thus Mr. Abib is clearly a hypocrite as well as misleading.


Bashir.

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ayub

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from soc.culture.somali debate:

bashir1@worldnet.att.net wrote:



> <<Muslims, unlike the Khalifas, follow the totality of the Words of Allah
> coupled with all the authentic hadeeths that don't contradict the Words
> of Allah.>>


Your response to the above comment:


Mahmoud Abib wrote:
> Allah's words stand alone. They need no "coupling" with human words.


The hadeeth is coupled with the teaching of the Book, because
it explains the orders of Allah in His Book(Qur'an), and this, as in itself,
is not something conveyed outside the Book(Qura'n) and it is called XIKMA. This is the reason Allah endowed His prophet the kind of
XIKMA that is required to teach the Book; Allah didn't
bestowed His prophet the Book(Qur'an) alone and didn't
commanded His prophet to teach the Book alone, but in fact, Allah instructed His is prophet to teach the people both the Book and Wisdom, "yucalumuunal kitaaba wal xikma), that
is the
wisdom which is useful for us to know how to perform the
salat, how to call the adaan. Allah ordered us to worship Him.
However, the question is how do we, Muslims, worship Allah?
The answer is found in the XIKMA of the prophet or his examples.

Mr. Abib, if we don't need hadeeth, could you please tell us +HOW+ do we know +HOW+ to worship to Allah and where is it in the Qur'an?

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ayub

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bashir1@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >"There is no god except
> >Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah".

Mahmoud Abib wrote:
> Correction: Muhammad WAS a messenger of Allah.

And Muhammad IS still our messenger of Allah.

> when we testify day in and day out, and utter statements such as
> "ASHAHADU" that Muhammad IS the messenger of Allah,
> we are plain liars.


Muhammadan Rasuwlullah is in the Qur'an, and I am not
falsifying by testifying what is in the Qur’an.

I testify to this because I testify to the
Qur'an itself is being the Book that Muhammad was given.

> No human being had witnessed when Allah was choosing Prophet Muhammad as
> His messenger. And only the hypocrites can testify to that, as we learn
> in 63:1.

If I bear witness and I am not lying about my testemony, I don't become a hypocrite, because I witness Muhammad to be the prophet of Allah and
I witness the Qur’an is Word of Allah.

Did I witness when Allah gave the Qur’an to Muhammad?

No, but still I testify the Qur’an is the Book that Muhammad
was given.

Also, I testify that there is a hell and a heaven, but I have not seen neither of them.

Am I lying by saying I testify that there is a heaven and there is a Judgment Day when I have not seen them?

No, but still I testify that there is hell, heaven and Judgment Day.

> Keep in mind the responsibility increases when you become a knower of
> something. And when the truth is pointed out to you but you arrogantly
> chose to disregard it or reject.

If I do not testify the Qur'an is the message of Allah, then I'm actually obligated to refrain from testifying that it is the Word of Allah and If I do not
testify that Muhammad is the messanger of Allah, then I'm actually obligated to refrain from testifying that he is the messanger of Allah.

However, if I say I'm a Muslim and make these above testimonies, but do not believe
them, I become a hypocrite, and I will be in the lowest pit
of the fire.

But, if I'm a Muslim and I testify that the Qur'an is and was the
message of Allah and Muhammad is and was the messanger of Allah, then, I become responsible if I make this statement and do not
believe them.

However, I, for myself, testify every day that the Qur'an
IS from Allah and Muhammad IS the messanger of Allah and
yet I was not there when the Qur'an was revealed and Muhammad
was the one It was revealed to.

So, my evidence here is my testimony, and the proof is my believe and there is no hypocrisy nor lying about my believe and testimony.



Bashir.

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ayub

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more of the debate from soc.culture.somalia forums of a sunni vs a submitter.

Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> Allah subxaan wa tacaala is informing us here that He created us and
> DESIGNED our bodies in the BEST design. Shall we then say Allah made a
> mistake when He attached the BUURYO in male's penis? If you think we can
> correct Allah's design through mutilating our bodies, then go ahead.
> But I accept my Lord's words when He says that He is the best designer.
> No matter how odd or anti-tradition it may seem, we must always put our
> Lord's book over any man-made innovation.

Bashir wrot:
Of course, Mr. Abib knows that we, Muslims put Allah's Book
above "any man-made innovation."
If we knew that circumcision was a "man-made innovation," then we would surely not consider it an obligation, and we might even consider it forbidden on the
basis of the two
verses he cited, though this would still depend a lot on accessory factors. But we have substantial evidence that it is
not. However, Mr. Abib and the Khalifates think
that they are disregarding all evidence but what is
in the Qur'an; this is their banner: QURAN ALONE.

Yet, if Mr. Abib is really sincere, which he is
not, he would tell us that everything that he does
and follows are not found in the Qur'an, but
he wouldn’t tell you this. Rater, he would tell
you every act he does can be
found in the Qur’an!

What he does know is that the Qur'an is a message, a reminder.
It was never intended to be an encyclopedia, a comprehensive
compilation of everything necessary. Rather, It is complete, but in a different way, for it refers to what It does not include
in Itself, the authority to interpret the
message in the Qur’an given to the prophet of Allah.

Therefore, we know that our prophet practiced and ordered
the act of circumcision and so did the prophets before him
such as Ibrahim and his sons, Ismail and Ishaq, also prophets
themselves.


The basic principle of the Khalifates is that if
it is not in the Qur'an, it is innovation.
However, Mr. Abib is deviating from this principle
and he doesn't know it or he is ignoring it knowingly!
For example, Mr. Abib is aware that the
form of prayer, the SALAT, is not directly described
in the Qur'an, but is he considering it
a "man-made innovation", if we ask him this?

No, we know he is not going to answer
this question.!!!!!

But, whether or not circumcision is
mutilation or not, is, of course, a matter of
one's point of view. But, since the evidence
is overwhelming that our prophet
considered circumcision an obligation, then we
can hardly consider it "mutilation," unless we
are willing to disregard even the most
well-established matters of Islamic history.

However, Mr. Abib and the Khalifites do just this.
It is, indeed, typical of them, practicing an act of hypocrisy.

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ayub

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the last forwarding debate from soc.culture.somalia forums:


Mahmoud Abib wrote:
> To give you the benefit of the doubt, I will ask you once again:
>a) Do you believe QURAN ALONE is sufficient guide for a Muslim?
>b) Do you think without HADITH, Quran is incomplete?
>c) Is Quran Alone sufficient?
>Yes or no will suffice.

Bashir wrote:
I believe that the Qur’an didn’t fall down from the sky
by itself. I believe that the Qura’n was reveled
to the prophet and not only the Qura’n, but It’s meaning was
also inspired. I mean every word and every letter of the
Qur’an was dictated through the angel Jibriil to the prophet
from an archetype preserved in the heaven. And what was the
prophet’s job? Was his job only to recite the Qur’an to the
people? As a matter fact, it was his job to recite the Qur’an, but also it was his job to teach the people it’s meaning and
the wisdom behind IT.

The prophet recited the Qur’an to the people exactly
as he received It from Allah, and he also taught the
Qur’an by his own precepts and examples. What was the prophet’s precepts and examples? It is the knowledge of Divine
Law, the gift of prophecy or the prophetic office and apostleship. This is what prevents or restrains from ignorant behavior in matters of religion; it is called the
WISDOM(XIKMA), SUNNA.

"Our Lord! Raise up for them a messenger from among them, who will recite to them Thy revelations and will teach them the BOOK and WISDOM, and will cleanse
them. Surely Thou Alone art Mighty, Wise."(Al-Baqrah, 129)

>….As long as we are on different wave
>length on the fact, that Quran Alone is the only Islamic source,
>don't expect from me to discuss with YOU the authenticity of Quran.

Qur’an is not the only Islamic source and the prophet wasn’t a robot who just recited the Qur’an only and that only. He was commissioned by Allah to teach
mankind the ways of Allah’s worship and how to submit to Allah’s will through his prophet; we ought to worship Allah as preached by His apostle. Worship of
Allah and Allah Alone is the goal of a Muslim’s life, but the way to attain that end can be known only by Revelation through Allah’s prophet and not by mere human
reason.

"..teach them the Book and WISDOM,.." 2:129


Since you believe that the Qur’an is the only Islamic source, can you tell us how you perform your Salat,in the manner of worship, Mr. Abib? Did you learn how to
worship to Allah from the Qur'an Alone?
And where is it found in the Qur'an, the manner of worship?

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Ansaari

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Ayuub!

Waad mahadsantahay walaal (Jazakallaah)!

Waxaan la yaabanahay soomaalida & sideey u sahlan tahay in la dhumiyo.

Waxaan awal iska dhaadhicin jirey in aanu nahay dad ADAG oon sahlaneyn balse waxaan la yabaay markii aan arkey dad wata manhajyo baas oo nugu cusub.

Bashiir waxaan Alle uga baryaayaa in kheyr & xasanaad ugu badalo dadaadlkiisa weyn ee uu ugu jiro diinta islaamka.

Mr. Abibna haddii la dhunshay oo (BRAIN-WASH) lagu sameeyey waxaan Raxmaanka (swt) uga baryayaa in uu soo hanuuniyo XAQAna tusiyo, toobadna keeno. Haddiise uu yahay nin kas u yeelaya WAXAKAN, hadaba ALLAAH ayaa ku filan. Diinta Alle waxba kama qaadi karo.

Aakhirana Mr. Rashaad (Naarta Alle ha ku fogeeye e) waxba ma shafeeci karo.

Maanta soomaali soomalidii muslimka ahaa kuuma ahan. Waa lakal baxay ee ciddii shar wadataa Alle ha inaga qabto annaga & intii kale ee Islaama ahba.

Walaal Ayuub: Cinwaanka meeshaas ma nasiin kartaa?

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ayub

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walaal wnsaari, winwaanka meeshaas waxaad ka heli kartaa the usenet or the newsgroups- of
http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/
then search anything titled "submitters", "khalifas" "abib" on soc.culture.somalia

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Bashir abdi.

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Waxaan wax yar oo sida submitterska ay uu addamaan idinkaga soo guuriyey www.submission.org.

The Call to Prayer (Azaan)

Azaan is not part of the Contact Prayers, nor is it required. But it has become a tradition in the
Muslim communities to summon the people to prayer through a loud announcement. The original
Azaan used to conform with the Quran's teachings, but became corrupted with time.

Originally, the call to prayer consisted of:
(1) Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times.
(2) Laa elaaha Ellaa Allah (There is no god beside God), once.

Many years later, some people added Muhammad's name to the Azaan. This violates God's
commandments in 2:136, 2:285, 3:84, 4:150 and 72:18. Later, other groups of Muslims added the
names of Ali and family. Today the Azaan is severely corrupted throughout the Muslim world,
and constitutes idol worship, not Submission to God ALONE.

The Correct Azaan

If you pray by yourself, an Azaan is not needed. The Azaan is usually observed when a group of
people are ready to observe the prayer. One person stands up and utters the Azaan words, or
chants them as follows:

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar (God is great, God is great).
Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.
Laa Elaaha Ella Allah (There is no god besides God).

Preparation for the Contact Prayer
(The Ablution)

O you who believe, in preparation for the Contact Prayer, you shall
(1) wash your faces,
(2) wash your arms to the elbows,
(3) wipe your heads with wet hands, and
(4) wash your feet to the ankles. [Quran 5:6]

Like all other aspects of Submission, the Muslims have corrupted the ablution by adding
unauthorized steps. Ironically, the innovations became vested with such authority that anyone
who questions them finds himself accused of innovation!!

It is therefore crucial to uphold God's commands by strictly observing the ablution decreed in the
Quran. Any additional steps represent another god besides God.

The Major Ablution

Following any sexual activity that results in a climax (orgasm/ejaculation), one must bath or take
a shower (4:43).

The Dry Ablution (Tayammum)

If water is not available, one must touch clean dry soil, then wipe his hands and face. This suffices
as a substitute for ablution (4:43, 5:6).

What Nullifies Ablution

Digestive excretions through the intestines, including gas, solids, or urine nullify ablution. Sleeping
also nullifies ablution, since one becomes unaware. Thus one may observe a number of Contact
Prayers with one ablution, provided he or she does not go to the bathroom, pass gas, or fall
asleep.

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allaale

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ahmed.
kalimada tawxiidku in aytahay LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAHU MAXAMADUN RASUULULLAAHI ma dood baad ka qabtaa?.
midakale islam waligiis buu jiray waa sax, laakiin
waa lagu kala duwanaa axkaamta nabiwalbana umadiisa buu cadayn jiray ama u faah faahin jiray sidii ay usayman lahaayeen cibaadadooda anagana waxaa ino cadeeyay suubanaha scw qaybkasta oo diinta ka mid ah ileen waxay ahayd hawiishiisiiye eebe wuxuu yiri "WA'ANZALNAA ILAYKA DIKRA LITUBAYINA LINNAASI MAA NUZULIA ILAYHIM WALACALLAHUM YATATHAKARUUN". sidaas daraadeed buu yiri nabigu scw salaada- SALUU KAMA RA'AYTUMUUNII USALII.
XAJKA- khuduu canii manaasikakum.
adiguse adaa quraanka isu fasira sowma'ahan?.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum ALL!

Ayub,

Thanx much; WOW! SO much information! :)


Bashiir,

So, Submitters do not believe the existance of the Oral message??? Just some other things;

--And no Hijab(litteraly, no head-covering)!hahahah!

--And DOGS are just wonderful to have!

--And we can't say "muhammadan rasullulah"(I wonder how the MUSLIMS are iddentified from Xtians and Jews in this theory)! OH, WELL, I guess when you need a MESSANGER to be in the picture---One must go!


Allale,

Islam, walaal, Islam buu ahaa...ILAA Adam iyo Muxammad(pbut)! Waxba "Laa ilaha Ilallaha" kama bedelmin! Dhaqan kastana(salaada, zakkada, soomka, xajka) wuxuu naga soo gaaray Ibraahiim! "

We Muslims MUST say "Muhammadan Rasulullah" because it BEARS witness that He's our Prophet! THIS Ummah's Prophet! And because the Jews and Christians live TODAY---We must be DIFFERENT!(Even though God knows we're different from them...the bearing must take place!)


Ramadan Mubarak!

Wasalama Calaykum!

Ahmad!

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Bashir Abdi.

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Ahmed.

I thought the Quran tought that each nation was given its unique jurisprudence which is totally different from the rest of the nations. Yes we share the principle of monotheism but different in
legal and penal code of SHARIA. fROM PRAYER TO FASTING TO WHERE WE PRAY AND HOW WE PRAY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. If you can show as from our own religion how and where we pray similarly or fast similarly let us know.Islam abrogated all other religions including IBRAHIMS ,Moses,jesus'S and whoever prophet you might have in mind. If any one of the afore mentioned prophet was alive today he would have no other means of worshipping ALLAH EXCEPT THE WAYS MOHAMMEED TAUGHT. HE IS THE LAST AND THE BEST EXAMPLE OF HUMAN BEHAVIOUR AND WORSHIP.

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Abdi

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Ayub: Thanx bro.

I followed that long thread of submitters. That was the only thread in which many members who were arch enemies sided together to combat Abib. I know that Abib had no point but he was a great debater! The only question he had, which I really wanted to be answered was baout male circumsision. I don't if you remember but he posted an "Ayah" from the holly Quran which translated something close to to "Allah's creations are full and perfect" Then, he asked why people are being circumsised when Allah said his creation was perfect. As far as I remember, no one addressed that question with a solid answer.

The problem of many somalis is that they believe in Islam by heart without enough knowledge. When these people are confronted by others, they attack the person since they do not have the knowledge needed to answer such questions.

There are many things that you cannot find in Kitab and people just do it the way their sheik tells them. For instance, are the people of North Alaska, required to perform Salat? If yes how? That part of the world has one season with 24 hour day light and another season of 24 night time?

What about a careless driver who who dies in a tragic accident? What's the fate of this person? suicidal?

Abdi

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Bashir,

You're very much correct that if the Prophets lived today---it'd BE a different way, but that is not the point! ISLAM; the submission to ONLY God(whatever, monethesim---or whatever you call it) WAS and IS and ALWAYS will be the same!

God tells us; "42.13 The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him)."

Brother, we, MUSLIMS; "2.136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah (in Islám)."...Because that IS Islam! The Islam of Muhammad is the same Islam of Adam! It's true that legals have changed(like what was forbidden to Children of Israel, like the Camels, is LAWFUL for us! But, then again, what was not lawful to the People of Moses...became Lawful to the People of Jesus!)

After God speaks of the Prophets of the Past, God talks to Muhammad and says; "6.90 Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's guidance. Follow the guidance they received; Say: "No reward for this do I ask of you: This is but a reminder to the nations." So, Islam is that connection between God and Man!

As for following, We Muslims follow Abraham...and everything that was prescribed for him, as God says; "3.68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith."


NOW, about Salat, Saum, Hajj and Zakkat;

God tells us about Abraham and his progeny;

"72. And We bestowed on him Isaac and, as an additional gift, (a grandson), Jacob, and We made righteous men of every one (of them).

73. And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We inspired them to do good deeds, to establish regular prayers, and to give Zakat; and they constantly served Us (and Us only)." So, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob taught people how to do Salat, Zakkat!

Now, again, God tells us how Abraham and Ishmael made the Ka`bah for pilgrimage;

"2.127 And remember Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing."

"2.125 Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the Station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Ismail, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate"


Fasting, also was prescribed for those before us;

"2.183 O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-"

"2.187 Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

188. And do not eat up your property among yourselves for vanities, nor use it as bait for the judges, with intent that ye may eat up wrongfully and knowingly a little of (other) people's property."

I wonder what did the pagan-Arabs used to do; "Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves;"...BECAUSE before...sex was not permitted during Ramadan---and THEY used to do it, secretly!

AND, like the Priests of today---they used to make people MEMBERS in the Ka`bah! Take alot of money from them...and do a little with it...and eat most of it! This was the Zakkat! Jews and Christians have this today...it's called tzedekkah...and BOY do they eat people's money like there is no tomorow!

I swear, the same used to happen in Somalia...where SADAQAH was taken and people paid alot of money...and the "Sheikhs" did away with it! But, Blessed is the Lord who counts those who paid for it, as a Saddaqah!

When Jesus comes back, we see in the Hadiths that he'll lead people in prayer! Because...he's MUSLIM! :)

So, Islam is Islam---the rules change...but the MAIN things do not! And, they were changed, mostly, because people mis-used them, etc(Like the pagan-Arabs did!)


Ramadan Mubarak!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Ansaari

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Abdi

You said: "There are many things that you cannot find in Kitab and people just do it the way their sheik tells them." and I disagree with you that. A sheikh cannot tell people by whatever he wants. If he did that in order to mislead people, so it is between him and his Lord.

If you cann't find a thing in the KITAB, so you find it in the Sunnah of our beloved prophet Muhammed (saw).

see!, Since we couldn't find the way we pray in the KITAB, we found it in the Sunnah. The prophet taught us WHEN and the correct way to perform SALAT.

Al-Kitab and the Sunnah is two things combined.

"Wamaa aataakumu Rasuulu Fakhaduhu Wamaa Nahaakum Canhu Fantahuu.....". Aayadan weeye tan qof walba oo Sunnada ka carara qabaneysa.

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Bashir Abdi.

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AHMED.

All you said and recited from the QURAN is agreed.There is no argument about the deeds the prophets taught their respective followers.
However, the point I wanted to stress upon was the difference in prayer and fasting or zakat becuase the quran does not tell us that these prophets fasted THIRTY DAYS or Prayed five times a day or

PUNISHED THE ZANI/ZANIA PANISHED THE SAME WAY WE DO IN SHARIA WHEREVER IT IS PARACTICED.

I am talking about the technicality of the practice of the islam which is unique in deeds and AXKAAM.

The proplem you have IS downplaying the role of the prophet in ISLAM. I know you insisted you love him but I suspect that you are TAKFIIR gone mad and decided the respect of the PROPHET ITSELF MIGHT BRING IMPURITY TO YOUR TAWXIID.

You are making things hard on you brother. You see,
the reason people are suspicious about you is the way you jump to specific hadiths to bolster your argument like the one that talks about THE RETURN OF OUR PROPHET JESUS and REFUSING THE ONE THAT TEACHES PRAYER FOR THE PROPHETS MOHAMMED AND ABRAHAM PEACE UPON THEM IN THE TAXYAAD.

Shed a light on how they performed the SALAT,THE RAMADAAN,ZAKAAT.

Also comment why the hadith of the return is more accurate than the rest of the hadiths you disagree with.

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Faatumo

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salaam

axmad waxaad shegeso waa wax xaqa ah. waa mahadsentahay aboo. dedkinaan Ansari iyo kuwaaneeto kale abooyaal alahii ka cabseda. ninkan waa nin muslin ah.

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Zamiil.

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Faadumo.

Soomaali waa muslin mar horaa ugu dambeysey. Ahemd hadduu kun jer soo taxo aayadaha eebbe

isagaa wax shaki leh ku hadley oo ilaa hadda macnihiisa la garan la'yahay.

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Qamaan.

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Faadumo.

Walaasheey waxaad booqataa meeshuu ku qorey saladda oo ku caddeyey inuusan salliga nabiga wax jira aheyn in lagu aqriyo ataxyaadka.

Waxaad tagtaa meesha cinwaakeedu yahay "who prohibits things THE QURAN OR THE HADITH.

I warn you from jumping to conclusions about this guy before covering what he wrote in here which IS
very damning to himself but to nobody else.

If you are a late comer to this discussion group
read all that bothers others and then make a conclusion based on your own convictions.

DON'T BUTT IN TODAY AND TELL OTHERS THEY ARE WRONG.
WAXAAN MAQLI JIREY WADAR IYO WAAXID KEE WAALAN?..

I love to believe that AHMED is a pious man. A true somali man, educated enough to be the shining
light of our youth. However, I can not reach any
decision about him. HE IS THE LEAST A SICK MAN.

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Abdi

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Ansaari:
I never said that it is right to do what your sheik tells u unless it is from the Kitab or Sahih hadith.

You said "People do not follow their Sheiks!" I completely disagree with you. Most people follow their leaders blindly without asking questions. That's why we have zillions of different cults in Islam. How can a religion has different schools of thoughts unless some arcitects somewhere down the road went different ways.

Another truth about Islam and all other religions is that everyone takes the religion of his/her parents. You are probably Muslim because a Muslim family raised you. You also see one of the different schools of thoughts to be better than any other one, ONLY because other people convinced you. Islam is one with one kitab but the confusion among Muslims is overwhelmingly huge. I am sure if a Sikh family raised you, you would be a defender of that religion today.

Talk to a Sunni guy and he'll tell you that Shii'as' belong to Jahanama although many Shii'a worship Allah more than anyone else. Talk to a Ikhwan guy and he'll say Suufiya is not Islam.

So, brother Ansaari, It is hard for me buy your assumption of Sheiks not telling their followers what to do.

Abdi.

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bashir abdi.

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ABDI.

May be you are still looking back at what was in somalia. I don't accept your insertion that people blindly follow sheikhs nowadays.

You don't speak for everybody so I completely reject your labelling of people following blindly their sheikhs.

If there is one to follow it would be PROPHET MOHAMMED.
Yes there are many opposing groups but only their
conflict started when they deviated from the pure message not because it popped up one day after they woke up from sleep.

About the different schools of thought, I would say you need to clarify them to us so that we can discuss. If you meant though MADAAHIB it means a knowledgable person whether you call him sheikh or an average person gave his views on specific rulings about something leaning on A VERSE FROM THE QURAN OR AHAADIITH.

A verse from the quran might have several meanings according to the translator however that translation must be supporting other verses of the quran as they say "THE QURAN TRANSLATES EACH OTHER".
If not, then there is the tranlation of the prophet and how he acted on those verses.

You have to keep in mind that thinking about the meaning of the quran is required from the reader
and to understand it perfect. However many have proplems doing so. And they look for help from
the more knowledgable persons. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?...Let us not talk about somalians do this or do that let us talk about the facts and the prohibitoins of looking for help in matters that darken from us a little bit.

Again you lied about me in particular because you said EVERYBODY FOLLOWS A SHEIHK.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Bashir,

Brother, you mixing milk and water!

When you ask yourself why and WHY the Prophets were sent, you will know what
exactly is going on!

"2.213 Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and
warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters
wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did
not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace
Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah
guided whom He will to a path that is straight."

So, the message was and is the same; God changed some rules, as the nations were at
different times/way! AND because they differed!

The Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(pbuh)...was nothing BUT a Prophet; so what other
role is there to downplay?? His role is to be a Prophet; to bring the Book, to be example
for the nation. It was never to be worshipped or associated with God's Glory!

To add him in the prayers, He or any other Prophet, is having them share the Glory of
God!

Could you say when making Zakkat---"O` God, Bless this with the Family of my
Prophet"??? Is that something you are doing for them...or FOR GOD? To put prayers in
the Salat for the Prophet---is making the Salat for the Prophet. And by God, that is
Idol-Worship!

Pray for him all you want...when you finish establishing your salat for the Lord!

As for Jesus` return; Jesus is NOT dead. We know that he belongs here...that he'll die
here! Read what your God, the Lord of the Worlds, tells you in His Book;

"24. (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your
dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."

25. He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken
out (at last)."

Your God is talking to Adam and Eve! Your very first Parents!

Jesus is not dead---He's very much alive! And he was NOT God, he was a Mortal...born
of a woman; so he MUST die on earth! So, when a hadith says he'll come back; I HAVE
no doubt in that...because it does not contradict the Qur`an!

The sect Submitters, in order to deny the Hadiths---they had to DENY everything it
brought! So, now, they believe Jesus was killed on the cross; what an evil claim is that
when it is God who says;

"4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger
of Allah.";- But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to
them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but
only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-"

So, Bashir, i'm making it "hard on myself"??? I have the Qur`an on my side; a proof for
everything that is of God! Maybe you should go back to your friend "Abid" and ask
him...what you asked me! Maybe it's he...who shall have something hard on himself!

Technecality??? Didn't I already tell you that among the things---God did change the
laws?

All the pillars of Islam were prescribed to those before us!

You know that "shahada" (Laa ilaha Ilallah)...was prescribed for all of those before us...to
be Muslims!

You know that Salat and Zakkat was prescribed for Abraham, Ishamael, Isaac and Jacob!

You also know that Fasting was prescribed for those before us, as I quoted the verse of
the Qur`an above!

The Hajj, too...was prescribed for those before us; You know Abraham and Ishmael built
the Ka`bah!

The Old-Ancient name of Mecca(Makkah) was...Baca(Bakkah)! And the Qur`an tells us
that;

"96. The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing
and of guidance for all the worlds."

And, so does the Bible! The Bible agrees with the Qur`an;

"Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.

As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs; the autumn
rains also cover it with pools." Psalms 84:5-6

Psalms was the Book of David(that God revealed to him!)...and David was Israelite. And
look how the Israelites...used to go to Hajj(Hag, in Hebrew)! BUT, as the Qur`an teaches
us...generations came after them...whom lost the practices!

How did they do it? The same, of course! We don't see that in the Quran...plainly
stating...because the Qur`an is only confirmation of the past---not repeating-source! It
confirms the main idea! It's entirely for us; for THIS generation(the generation of
Muhammad!)

No doubt, that the practices were lost and/or riducled! And that Qur`an came to change
it...and that Muhammad(pbuh) was the example! BUT, it was not something that was
invented with Prophet Muhammad! In the Qur`an, we see that Arabian pagans did all of
the above...but shared the Glory of God with others, treated the practices with less
important, etc! And Prophet Muhammad's job was to tell them THE RIGHT way...not to
teach them new ways!

You must believe Qur`an is ENTIRELY complete! And everything after it(wheather from
Hadith or scholar’s view or History or anything else)...MUST agree with it! You must
believe that the Oral Message was JUST an explanation of what is in the BOOK already!
It was not another Book that came to complete the Qur`an! The Qur`an is complete by
itself!

This will help you distinguish which of hadith is correct and not correct...NO MATTER
who it came from!(shia walaa suni!) Of course, it’s your right to believe whatever you
wanna believe!

It’s been history repeating itself...that scholars would come who would defy the words of
God...and make the Laws a secondry to the “oral-message” something that they’d already
corrupted! AND, trust me when I tell you...billions of people(all over the
places/religions) are their victims! The Qur`an is a very trustable history book...people
should really listen to it!

As for your saying; "May be you are still looking back at what was in somalia. I don't accept your insertion that people blindly follow sheikhs nowadays." HA! Islam existed for FOURTEEN CENTURIES, Bashir!


Faadumo,

Fadlan, ha isku daar-daarin dadkaan! Ayaga kaliya ma`ahan---MUSLIMIIN badan baa cudurkaan qaba! In wixii dadka ka gedisan la dhaho "GAALO!"(I would love to know what the Christians/Jews think of us! I'm sure they considered Muhammad(pbuh) as a pious believer!) OH, well, I guess nin walba maalintiisuu Alle gooni ula xisaabtami!


Abdi,

you're most certainly right! People(AND I dare say MOST of the people!) take their "scholars" for gods beside God! AND, please, people...it's not just to say "ye are our gods..." that they'd be gods---but to believe them over the qur`an! AND, let me add, it's been this way for since time began!(begining with our parents...following satan over God's divine warnings---but GOD FORGAVE them...because he FORGIVES whom he wishes!) BUT...do they reflect?(I can't answer that!)


Qamaan,

You said; "I love to believe that AHMED is a pious man. A true somali man, educated enough to be the shining
light of our youth. However, I can not reach any
decision about him. HE IS THE LEAST A SICK MAN."

You missed the point that I'm MUSLIM---who does not need anybody's "good thoughts" about me...and that i'm not here for a "popularity contest!" Had I WANTED that, and was AT LEAST A SICK MAN, I wouldn't be here against all people! AND, i'm so very much reduced to no end about your educated thought of history! "Wadar iyo waaxid kee waalan"---READ the Qur`an; there shall you meet the answer to your 'saying'!

It's I who would LOVE to know that you are not "jumping" the gun! Trust me when I tell you this; generations before did that...and now look back and see what was the end of the unjust! Wish you the best! :)


Ramadan Mubarak for all those Muslims!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Bashir Abdi.

Unrecorded Date
AHMED.

CUDURDAAR YAR.
Haddaan isku qaso caano iyo biyo cilmigeygaa intaa le'eg.

ULAJEEDDADA DOODEYDA:

Madiidani in diimihii hore iyo taan maanta heysanno ay ku magacaaban yihiin islaam.
5000 OO sano kahor ayaase la baddaley dhmmaantood markii laga reebo masiixiyada oo iyana 300 years
kadib ciise la baddaley.

Ilaaheyna muu oran anaa xafidey ZABUUR,INJIIL,TOWRAH,PALMSKA sidaa daraaddeed dariishadda ka tuur weeye waxa ay hadda heystaan.
Haku qaldin originalka risaaladoodii oo aheyd mid saxan ilaa ay beddeleen iyagu SIDAA DARADEED LAMA DALIISHAN KARO KAANA AQBALI MAAYO HADDAAD WAX KA MID IISOO XIGATO ANIGA.

NABI CIISE SOO LAABADKIISA:----

Waxaad tiri maadaama aan masiixiyadda ka helay ama ay masiixiyiintu rumeysan yihiin soo laabadashada nabi ciise anna waan rumeeyey---- OO MARKAA XADIISKII RASUULKA EE NABI CIISE SOO LAABADKIISA KA HADLAAYEY WAXAAD U HESHEY DALIISHAAS HADII KALE
DARIISHADDUU ISNA KA BIXI LAHAA.. Haddaan qaldanahay fahamkaan sidaa kuu fahmey i sax.

" NINKII DIIMAAN ISLAAM AHEYN DIIN KA DHIGTA LAGA AQBALI MAAYO" ILAAHEY SIDAASUU NOO SHEEGEY SIDAA DARAADDEED QALIBIGEYGA KUMA SUGNA INAAN HABA YARAATEE INNA BIBLKA DHUGTO DHINACIISA AMA TOOWRAAH.

Fadlan:

Anigu madiidani diimahoodii iney saxsanaayeen hase yeeshee innaga islaamkaan uga maaranney markii tawxiidka laga reebo oo aan ka simannahay sidaa daraaddeed anigu ilaahey baa ila og inaan la yaabbanahay nabiyadaan aad iigu marmarsiinyooneyso oo aad igu cabsi galineyso aniga.


DIFAACA SHIIQYADA:

SHIIQYADA waa kuwee?..waa IBNU TAYMIYA,CASQALAANI,NAWAWI,SHAAFICI,XANBALI,BUHKAARI,MUSLIM,ABUU DAA'UUD,TIRMIDI,NASA'I,IBNUL QAYIM OO AAN UGU JECLAHAY WAAYE SHIIQYADAAN KU RAACSANAHAY ARAGTIDOODA DIINEED OH I FORGOT MAXAMMED IBNU CABDIWAHAAB HEY DOES THAT MAKE ME WAHAABI?..

LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY:

Aniga diimo hore shaqo kuma lihi waxaan leeyahay
"u kaalay kalimad innaga iyo idinka na mideysa,oo ah inaan ilaahey waxba lala caabudin........"

waxaan kaloo leeyahay"ilaahoow waxaad soo dajisey waan rumeysnahay ee marqaatigaaga igu dar".
Anigu nabi nabi maxammed baan ka raacaa kuwa kalena waan rumeysnahay iney rusul alle ahaayeen
oo waan oggolahay dhambaalkoodii hasee WAA LA BEDDELEY MAANTA DIINTOODII HADII KALE ISLAAM YAA U BAAHNAAN LAHAA?..


NINKALAAD IGU QALDEYSAA:

BASHIR magacaan isla wadaagnaa.

Xaloo dhan waan shaqeynaayey waan seexan doonaa haddii eebe idmo duhurka markaan kaco aan arki doonaa haddaad soo jawaabto.

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Qammaan.

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AHMED YOU MAKE ME SAD....

I don't know what to make of you sincerely. I care about you because ISLAM promotes inclusion and the company of the other muslims "and those who believe are close to each other" or the verse....

But then how do I explain to myself your refusal of the prophets sayings if they are correct?...

In the end it is up to you to decide whatever is fit for you. As for me I learned a lesson from you

AND THAT IS "CONFUSION AT ITS BEST".

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Sunnah

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FATWA AGAINS AHMAD & WALAALKIIN.

Waxaan shaki ku jirin in ninka la magac baxay Ahmed, uu baadiyoobay, iskuna dayayo in uu diinta rabbi ku furo tushuush & tafaraaruq.

Walaalkiin oo isna ahmed dhaamay 5 daqiiqo ayaa wuxuu isna isku dayayaa in uu taageero siiyo Ahmad. Hadaba ninkii diinta ku been abuuta ogaada in dilkiisa lagu jano tagayo

Ogaada hadaad sheekadaan sii wadaan in la idinku jano tagi karo.

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Sunnah

Unrecorded Date
To Ansaari.

Walaal qayr & xasanaad Allaha kaa siiyo, howsha aad ka geeysatay la dagaalanka Kufaarta maanta jirta. Waxaan ku fraxsanahay habka qurxoon ee aad rapport-kaagii uqortay.

Waxaanse la sii yaabanahay habka qota dheer & waliba professionka ah ee aad uraad raacday kuwa diinta qilaafaya. Mahadanid 100 %.

Umma-salama, Samatar Ahmed & dhamaan walaalaha taageeraya diinta Islaamka.

Mahadsanidiin, howshiinana halkaa ka sii wada.

Salaamu calaykum

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Bashir Abdi.

Unrecorded Date
AHMED BROTHER THINK OF THESE.

Read these and then answer my questions:-

-"THESE ARE THEY WHO PURCHASED ERROR FOR GUIDANCE, SO THEIR COMMERCE WAS PROFITLESS. AND THEY WERE NOT GUIDED"ALBAQRA.

-"THEIR LIKENESS IS AS THE LIKENESS OF ONE WHO KINDLED A FIRE; THEN, WHEN IT LIGHTED ALL AROUND HIM, ALLAH TOOK AWAY THEIR LIGHT AND LEFT THEM IN DARKNESS"ALBAQRA.

MY QUESTION IS; How can you rely and make parallel of their beliefs of today to the STRAIGHT PATH OF ISLAM?.. I am after your qoutation from the PALMS,AND your utter insertion that all religions AT PRESENT ARE ISLAM(MAY BE I AM WRONG BUT TELL ME IF SO)
Because you gave it some significance since ALLAH DEGRADED IT FOR THEIR OWN MISTAKES.

Also you mentioned all religions are ISLAM fine are they? AFTER THESE SAYINGS FROM GOD?. Because he took the light away from them by giving it to us.

Or all I am saying is the usual redrick pointing fingers to others even if they are JEWS/CHRISTIANS?..

WHAT IS NEXT AHMED?...

I need an assurance or something that will settle my case with you because we have so many things to attend to other than arguing ceaslessly when we might be on the same track.

BE PRECISE AND PERTINENT BIG GUY.

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Bashir ABDI.

Unrecorded Date
AHMED.

Your message was too long but I would like to finsh with these:

EVERY PRAYER AT THE END OF THE LAST ATTIXYAAD I PRAY FOR THE PROPHETS BOTH MOHAMMED AND ABRAHAM AND THEIR RESPECTIVE RELATIVES AND I AM NOT PRAYING TO THEM BUT FOR THEM.

IF THAT MAKES ME MUSHRIK I AM THE FIRST.

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Qammaan.

Unrecorded Date
Bashi abdi.

Walaal ninkaan haku lummin waad aragtey sida uu ugu indha adag yahay inaan rasuulka alle salaadaha
loogu duceyn karin.

Anigu marnaba bidcada ma oggoli iyo rasuulka alle bani aadminimada in la dhaafiyo waa wax diinta qilaafsan hase yeeshee in sidaan loogu tunto rasuulkii ALLE maantey wey ii harsaneyd.

ninkaan isaga har.

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Bashir Abdi.

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ANSAARI,ZAMIIL,ALLAALE IYO DHAMMAAN DADKOO WALAALAHA WAXAAN U BAAHANAHY TALADIINNA.

NINKAAN AXMAD AH WAXAAN U HEYSTEY XOOGAA NIN SOO DHOW DHOW LAAKIINSA WAXAAN ARKAA INAANNU FAA'IIDO SOO WADIN.
MARKA WALAALAYAA MA ISAGA AAMUSNAA WUXUU BAADIYEYNAAYO HA BAADIYEEYE MISE WAAN LA DOODNAA SI UUSAN FURSAD UGU HELIN DADKA QULUUBTA LACIIFKA KA AH KU SIRMA MAGACA ISLAAMKA IYO AAYAD QURAAN OO LASOO TAXO.
NIYADDEYDA WAA IS BEDDESHEY. NABI MAXAMMED MEEL LAGU LIIDAAYO MADAXA KUMA HEYN KARO NIMANYOHOW
MEESHANA WAXEY U MUUQATAA INAAD KA GAABSATEEN EE AMA IGULA TALIYA INAAN IDINKU BIIRO CUNA QABATEYNTA NINKAAN AMA AAN LA DOODO ARRINTAA TALADEEDA "WA AQUULU QOOWLII HADAA WA ASTAGFIRULAAHA WA ATUUBU ILEEYHI".

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Ahmad

Unrecorded Date
Asalama Alaykum!


Bashir,

You said; "Waxaad tiri maadaama aan masiixiyadda ka helay ama ay masiixiyiintu rumeysan yihiin soo laabadashada nabi ciise anna waan rumeeyey---- OO MARKAA XADIISKII RASUULKA EE NABI CIISE SOO LAABADKIISA KA HADLAAYEY WAXAAD U HESHEY DALIISHAAS HADII KALE"

WHERE did I say that Christians believe he'll come back? What a giant LIE! Don't forget...the ARTICLE is STILL present! EXCUSE me, but X-tians believe he, Jesus, was GOD---do you think I believe that?! No, no, and 1000 times NO!

I told you FROM the Qur`an; I can't talk to you...if you didn't finish or understand my post! SORRY! Those are the rules of "communicating!"

Everything I say...or DO is from the Qur`an!

I did not read your other posts...and I will NOT read...untill you read mine and we discuss!


Sunnah,

Hilwa! Hilwa! What a wonderful sunnah! AND, sorry, I live in a free world(a wicked, but a free world!)


Qammaan,

Sister, don't bother, I don't think I should put my prayers anyone but GOD---and if you do want to do that, be my guest!

Trust me, dear, I have seen many many many who said that ALI was God---and told them "lakum diinikum, waliyi diin"---Blessed is the God who has Glory ALL to himself!

Loving the Prophet is loving him as Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah, not as another god with Allah!


Ramadan Mubarak to all muslims!


Peace, Ahmad!

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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Abdi:

I, obsolutely AGREE with brother Bashir Abdi.

..And Yes! if there are people, who blindly follow by their Sheikhs, are those who've chosen another way than the RIGHT PATH "the Sunnah" which Proph. Mohammed (saw) taught us. And these people have been totaly totaly brain-washed by Kufars.

Brother, Ok!, Everyone can call himself as true "MUSLIM", even "submitters"!, but beeing muslim is been told us in Qur'an by Allah (swt), and is the one who obey his creator and obey the Rasoolulaah (take all his SUNNAH as it is).


"Wamaa aataakumu Rasuulu Fakhaduhu Wamaa Nahaakum Canhu Fantahuu.....". Aayadan
weeye tan qof walba oo Sunnada ka carara qabaneysa.

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Ansaari

Unrecorded Date
Asalamu caleykum

Bashir Abdi!

Walaal Illaah kheyr hakuugu badalo dadaalkaada.

Walaal Axmed waa nin laga quustey, hore ayaanu uga daalney, walaalo kalena uga samreen. Waxaa u CAD waxa uu wato ee BAADILKA ah.

Waa Rabadaan, waxaa fiican oo sharaf leh, kheyrna ku jiraan intuu wax kale keeni lahaa in aad isaga aamustid (just ignore him!), balse la socotid doodahan.

Meeshii aad baadil ku aragto ugu yaraan laba kalmadoodba ha ahaatee dadka islaamka ah ee meesha imaanaya uga dig, kii raacaya asageey jirtaa.

Walaal asaga keliya maahin dadka noocaan ah, balse waa ay badan yihiin. Bidconimo ayeey wataan.

Waxaan rajeynayaa in aad la socon doontid doodahan.

Rabdaan Kariim

Walaalkaa
Ansaari

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Bashir Abdi.

Unrecorded Date
AHMED BEENTIISA HA KU SIRMINA.


The Obligation of Sending Prayers on the Prophet
(sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) in the last Tashahhud(TAXIYAADKA).

Once, "he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) heard a man supplicating in his prayer without glorifying the majesty of Allaah
Exalted, nor sending prayers on the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), so he said: This man has been hasty." He then
called him and said to him and others, "When one of you prays, he should begin with the praise of his Lord, Sublime
and Mighty, and his exultation, and then send prayers (in one narration: he should send prayers) on the Prophet
(sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and then supplicate as he wishes."255

Also, "he heard a man glorifying and praising Allaah, and sending prayers on the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) in
prayer, so the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said to him: Supplicate, and you will be answered; ask,
and you will be given."256

waxaa wariyey AHMED,ABUDA'UD,TIRMIDI,XAKIM OO SAXIIX KU WARIYEY.

WALAALAYAAL AXMED BEENTIISA HA KU KADSOOMINA WAA BEENAALE ILAAHEY RASUULKIISA DIIDDAN INUU RAACO HADALKIISA.

Sidee qof quraan usoo daliishan karaa isagoo aan oggoleyn wixii quraanka dhexdiisa lagu farey"QAATA WUXUU RASUULKII ALLE IDINLA YIMAADDO, WUXUU IDNKA REEBANA KA REEBTOOMA".

AAYAD KALENA WAXEY LEEDAHAY"HADDAAD ILAAHEY JECESHIHIIN ANIGA I RAACA ILAAHEYNA HA IDIN JECLAADEE".

JACEYLKA ILAAHEY IYO JACEYLKA RASUULKA WAA MID ISKU XIRAN AXMEDNA RASUULKII ALLE SALIGIISII
AYUU LEYAHAY WAA SHIRKI BAL ARRINKAAS KA WARRAMA?..

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Salliga rasuulka oo la bidciyeeyey ayaan la dagaalami jirney haddana waxaaba la arkey DAD LEH
WAABA SHIRKI marka arrintu WAA NUQSAAMIN IYO ZAA'IDIN HAWSHA SOOMALIDA.

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Qamaan.

Unrecorded Date
AHMED.

Anigu naag maahi sidaad mooddey. Afsoomaliga xoogaa ku dhibaayaa u maleynaa.

Hadalkaaga marrabo nin yohow ee magaceyga ammaanka ii sii.

"adinna diintiina anna teyda" alkafiruun.

Nabi maxammed markaan ku salliyo toban jeer baa ilaahey igu salliyaa anna sababteeda(iigu naxariistaa macnaheeda).

Ilaahey iyo malaa'igtiisa ayaaba nabiga ku salliya
THEN THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO THE HELL CARES YOUR
PRAYER FOR THE PROPHET?..

NOTE:

PRAYER FROM GOD TO HIS SERVANTS MEANS MERCY AND ALL OTHER PRAYERS FROM THE OTHER BEINGS ARE JUST SUPPLICATION AND ASKING SO DON'T TWIST THINGS.

Waxaad raadinoosaa dad aad la qabqabsato aduunyadaa kusoo nacdey illeyn XAAJA QARIIB AHAAD
LA TIMID.

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JERMAANI.

Unrecorded Date
AHEMED.

HA HAH HAAA hey man you make me think twice of anybody claiming muslim.

I hope your VIRUS won't affect ignorant SOMALIANS.

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Ahmad

Unrecorded Date
Asalama Calaykum!

Qamaan,

...waan ka xumahay inaan dumar kaa dhigay, laakiin maanta raggii waxay la baxaan "xamdi" iyo "shukri"...so i'm not surprised! Qamaan eedaday baa la dhahaa---sidaas daraadeed, it's only a natural that i'd assume it's only a woman's name!

Ilaahay iyo Malaa`igtiisu waxay ku salliyaan WIXII Alle aamina oo dhan---so why don't you send blessings on Sheikh Abdul-Qadir Jeylaani in your Salats???

"[33.41] O you who believe! remember Allah, remembering frequently,
[33.42] And glorify Him morning and evening.
[33.43] He it is Who sends His blessings on you, and (so do) His angels, that He may bring you forth out of utter darkness into the light; and He is Merciful to the believers."

It's wonderful to send blessings on the Prophet when NOT praying...but not in the Salat! People should get their facts straight; do I deny sending blessings on the prophet? NO! But...there a place for everything---and to its place it must be! I cannot idolize Muhammad for he was a Prophet...and nothing more or less! TO make him more than that...is gravely sin; and all people have choice to do whatever they wanna do! SO, enjoy your world...`till appointed time!


"THEN THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO THE HELL CARES YOUR
PRAYER FOR THE PROPHET?..." GOD cares---God does not like in his Glory to be shared with ANYONE!

"PRAYER FROM GOD TO HIS SERVANTS MEANS MERCY AND ALL OTHER PRAYERS FROM THE OTHER BEINGS
ARE JUST SUPPLICATION AND ASKING SO DON'T TWIST THINGS."

Salat is not suplication, Qamaan...it's a duty---a practice you do; it's a prescribed duty! Not something you do for the heck of it!

...I cannot say to you "laka diikinuka waliyii diinii" because you're still Muslim! THUS, you do not deserve such thing from me! HOWEVER, I can ignore you! :)


Jermaani,

Tsk tsk tsk! My virus? Eh, what the heck, it's a free virus in a free world! The Qur`an is worth more than your little "jermaani" head is worth---so I know who is ignorant and who is not!

Yacudiz vil zak ma di yidish! Hakz Hakz, `Ve German! Deqvut Allah; marfuzh ghodon! :)


Ramadan Mubarak to Muslims!


Blessed BE!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Yaska

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salaamu Calaykum yaa ikhwati filcaqiidda,

Bashir Abdi;

Aad baad u mahadsan tahay Bashka, Allena waxaan kuu weydiinayaa in uu kaa abaalmariyo wakhtigaaga iyo juhdigaagaba.

Arintan AHMED-GAAL la shir yimid ma aha wax cusub oo maanta bilowday ee Environment ay ka dhacayso ayaa cusub taas oo keenaysa in mar labaad laga fikiro waxyaabo badan oo aan markii hore xisaabta lagu darsan jirin.

In mudo ah anigu waxaan ku mashquulsanaa ARINTAN iyo xiriirka ka dhexeeya SomaliNet Service Providers!!!!!!!. Marka hore waxaan aad ula yaabi jiray siday UMMAD muslim ahi ugu ogolaataa in nabiga la caayo si public ah? in diinta islaamka la caayo si public ah?in qur'aanka la aflagaadeeyo?????????. su'aasha aan raadinayey waxay ahayd Waa maxay Fikirka dheer ee ka danbeeya in service-kan albaabadda loo furo!!!!

Hadii aad qabiil ka hadashid, in seconds ayey administrator soo galayaan oo aay joojinayaan!!!!!!laakiin Hadii ISLAMKA la caayo ama tashwiish lagu furo ama xataa si cad loo hujuumo Mabaadii'dda Islamka..... You got 1 Gigabyte Memory in return????

Su'aashaydu markaa waxay tahay Do you consider SomaliNet as an islamic? or just commertial service provider? in the case of the later option, then "Wa kulukum masuulun wakulum masuulun can raaciyatihi"!!!

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Qamaan.

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AHMED.

Rasullkii alle waaan weyneyaa oo wuxuu iga mudan yahay sharaf dadka kale aana iga mudneyn.

"ANNAGAA KU DIRNEY NABIYOOW ADIGOO MARAG AH,BISHAAREEYE AH,DIGENA AH"


"SI AAD DADOOW EEBBE U RUMEYSAAN IYO RASUULKIISA UGUNA GARGAARTAAN , UNA WEYNEYSAAN, EEBENA UGU TASBIIXSATAAN AROOR IYO GALABBA" AL-FATXI.

"QOFKII RASUULKA ADHEECA ILAAHEY BUU ADHEECAY".

Ilaahey iyo rasuulkiisa xagga maqalka la maqlo warkooda waa isku mid maadaama rasuulka ilaahey ka wakiil noqdey daliil:

"LA DAGAALLAMA KUWAAN RUMEYN EEBBE IYO MAALINTA AAKHIRO, OO AAN XAARAANTINIMEYN WAXEY AALLE IYO RASUULKIISA XARAANTINIMEEYEEN, OO AAN KA DIIN DHIGANEYN DIINTA XAQA AH"AL-TOWBAH.

Marka walal ilaahey iyo rasuulkiisa isku SI baan wax uga maqlaa ILAAHAYBAASE CIBAADA ISKA LEH.

Adiga SALLIGA SALAADDA LAGU AQRIYO WAXBA HAKU MARMARSIINYOON SIDEEDAADBA U OGGOLEYN XADIISKII NABIGA.


HADDAAD NIN RAGA AH TAHAY OO AAD QURAANAK KALIYA KU BADBAADEYSO ORODOO SIDAAD DOONTO U TUKO.

MUSLIMKAA AFAR,SADDEX,LABO RAKCOOYINKOOD YIHIIN IYAGAANA KA BARTEY NABIGA QURAANKANA NAMA BARIN
CASAR BAA AFAR LA TUKADAA IYO CISHA IYO DUHUR EE TUKADUU ILAAHEY YIRI.

WARKA WAA DHAN YAHAY.

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Qammaan.

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AHMED.

ABOUT JIILAANI GUY.

Wuxuu ahaa nin ciraaqiyaan ah oo wanaagsan wuxuuna qorey kutubbo aqlaaqda carruurta ka hadla dad badan daraaddiis baa kusoo islaamey oo wuxuu ahaa daaci.

MAXAAN UGU DUCEYN WAAYEY:

WAAN U DUCEEYAA MAR WALBA ATTAXYAADKA DAMBE MARKAAN LEEYAHAY "WACALAA CIBAADILLAAH ASSAALIXIIN" ISAGA IYO SOOMALI IYO NIN KASTOO WANAAGSAN MIN ADAM ILAA IYO HADDA.

HADDAAD UGA JEEDDEY:

Maxaan sheeq cabdulqaadiroow u dhihi waayey adeer anigu ilaahey waxba lama caabudo BARYADA WAA CIBAADO ILAAHEY BAANA ISKA LEH.

BEEN BAAD SHEEGTEY:

Salaadda dadka tukadey dan u tahay. Waana iney waxey doonaan dhexdeeda ilaahey u weydiisan karaan
markey attaxyaadka dhammeyaan WHICH I DO.

"ALLAHUMA INNII ACUUDU BIKA MIN CADABI JAHANNAM,WA MIN CADAABIL QABRI,WA MIN FITNATIL MAXYAA WAL MAMAATI,WA MIN FITNATIL AL MASIIXI DAJAAL"....IYO
ducooyin kale BASED ON THE TIME I HAVE AAN KU DUCEYSTAA.

Markii qiyaamaha la tagana IT WILL BE FUN TO SEE YOU AROUND SO WE WIIL TALK.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Yaska.

Wacaleykum assalaam.

Walaal horta servicekaan mahan mid u qaas ah islaam ama loogu tala galey diin in lagu faafiyo.

Anigu waan ku raacsanahy iney u oggolaadaan AHMADOO KALE inuu fikraddiisa dhiibto.

Maxaa yeeley barrito waddankii markii lagu laabto
waxaan ka digtoonnahay GAALO MAQAAAR IYO MAGAC ISLAAM SITA.

Yaa aammini doona nimaan salaadda shanta waqti safka hore ku tukan oo aan SUUNNADA NABIGA KA MUQAN.
IIMAAN baa ka kordhey meesha iyo JAAHILNIMADA QATARTEY U KEENI KARTO ISLAANNIMADA QOFKA.
Diinta in la barto weeye si loga hortago AHMED AND THE LIKES OF HIM.

Somalinet ninka iska leh oo mas'uulka ka ah iyo ilaahey baa xisaabti doona haddey ulajeedadiisu qaldan tahay. Innagu hadey noo daayaan AARAADEENNA IYO ARAGTIDEENNA DIINEED WAXBA KAMA QABNO.

NEW HARD DRIVE BAAN GASHTEY COMPUTERKII KII HORENA BUCKUP MUUSAN II LAHEYN OO HADDA PRINTERKII BAA II HARSAN INAAN INSTALLATION KU SAMEEYO.
Haddii eebbe idmo waxaan rabaa inaan daabaco DHAMMAAN DOODAHA AHMED IYO KUWA KALE OO AAN SOOMAALIYA U DIRO SI LOOGA DIGTOONAADO ARRINLKAAN
OO KALE.

Waxaan la yaabbaneyn dad nabiga ku xad gudba oo sidii nabi ciise oo kale rabey iney ilahey al simaan TAA WAA LAGA CAAFIMAADEY MISANA WAXAA SOO BAXEY SUBMITTERS IYO QURAANIYIIN OO LEH NABIGA
WUXUU YAHAYBA MA LEH.

OLOLIHII HORE WAA LAGU GUULEYSTEY KAN KALENA WAA ALGU GUULEYSAN DOONAA INSHALLAAH.

ABOUT THE QABIIL.

SIDAAS HAKU WADEEN. QABIIL YAA U BAAHAN AWALBA QURAAFAAD BUU AHAA.

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Jermaani.

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AHMED.

HAH HAHAAHAAA... A free world uh?...so We think the way we wanted and how we wanted.

No wander the islamic prophets speeches and deeds are nothing to you...

My little head eh?... You make me gurgle my freak
freind...

I know you, you were that guy who suddenly become

MUFTI after he learnt the QURAN IN ENGLISH uh?..

hahahahaha what a looser.

learn arabic first then may be your little monkey ass can be saved.

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Jermaani.

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Hey Somali guys:....

If AHMED is truly independent from the ahadiith,

and the only source of his deeds are derived from the quran WHY DOES HE..

- Pray four rakcas in ISHA,ASAR,DUHUR
-Pray three rakcas in MAGREB and two in FAJR.

These were thought by the prophet not the QURAN.

-Then why does he accept those HADITHS and refuses
the hadiths that teach ASSALAATU CALAN NABIYI in the attaxyaad?..
-we want some answers on that..

-Check out with me guys, he will zigzag around and will not tell us why follow some and leave some..

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allaale

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to.bashir.
assalama calykum.
walaal waxaa ilaquman in ninkaan aan laladoodin
oo intii looga digi karo dadka looga digo oo kaliya, doodu waa waxa uu kafaa'idaysto waliba marka hadba qof cusub kusoo biiro, sidookale waxaa lumaaya asalka mawduuca (maxalu nizaac)markaasaa masa'il farac ah lagala doodayaa sida saliga salaada dhexdeeda ah, xaqiiqaduse ninkani sunada oo dhanba uma haysto haba yaraatee xujo ama in ay tahay qayb sharciga kamid ah marka intii dadka looga digi karo halooga digo yaanan laldoodin.
wallaahu waliyu tawfiiq, wasalaamunn calykum.

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Sunnah

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To. Dhamaan.

...Ninkan isku magacaabaya Ahmed wuxuu wadaa " Ijiid aan ku jiidee", marka waxaan idinkula talin lahaa in aad ka gaabsataan oo lagu soo rogo " Insulation" si uu qurbe u dareemo.

Wuxuu jecel yahay in la siiyo " attendtion"

To. So- Called Ahmed

Marax, maxaad tiri " free world" ayaan ku noo lahay, Walaahi qofkii ku damca in uu ku dilo barqo cad adoo afka leeyrinaya ayuu ku dili xaraa, booloyahay.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Qamaan,

Bro, you're not listening; did I say I refuse the Prophet or his Oral-Message? OR am I saying i refuse some of the so-called "hadiths" attributed to the Prophet by wicked men? PLEASE, get your facts straight!

Refusing the Prophet or his Oral-Message is refusing Islam; X-CUSE me...and I'm MUSLIM!

As for your salats, OH MY!!! SO, what is the difference between you and Abdul-Mutalib who used to pray for "Hashim" and "Qussay"???? Salat is something we do for ourselves in prayer(duco)??? OH, BOY, what a corrupted mind! Salat is ONLY for Allah---none is it for but Allah; it's a Glory to Him and him alone!

Let me tell you, you're MUCH MUCH better than many who I have debated with who did not want to say anything out-right! You say; "YES, I DO"...and I'm one who respects that, even if it is wicked! I tell Jews and Christians and Shias(who believe Ali was God)...."you have your beliefs, and I have mine, and there is a God and a day of Judgement;" same to you, ya Qamaan!


...and, YES, lets wait the day; I TOO am those who wait!


Jermaani,

Do I ever say I'm independent from Hadiths??? OH, PUHLLLEEZZZZ! I have the Hadiths; KNOWING some of them are fabricated! But, I have them...because I believe that there are many many many good ones in them! So, what is your point?

AND, FYI, the Arabian pagans...prayed the same things we pray(in regarding *rak`ats*)...but they corrupted it; changed times, binded together, added stuff into the salats. The Qur`an tells them WHEN to pray...and does not tell them how many to pray...since they had that already!

Please, don't forget, the Arab Pagans descended through Kedar, Ishmael and Abraham---and these men were enjoined to pray, saum, zakkat, and hajj...which ALL of the above Arabian pagans did---except they shared God's glory with others(Hubal, the daughters of Allah, etc)

...you'd do better to learn a peak of history from your wonderful sunni brothers! :)


Sunnah,


Please, don't waste your breath! I was not talking about "killing" and you know it! I'm Muslim, I believe I will not die...untill God's appointed time for me to die. To think otherwise(or you can kill me before that) is simply your wicked mind of thinking!

AND, FYI, it's only you who is giving me the attention---ask me if I care? Fighting for what I think is right...is not "looking-for-attention" and if you think it is, then you only play your understanding!

AND, please, don't forget...NONE experiences my deeds but me. It's ONLY me that is judged the last day for me; why should I worry about anyone? I do not get anybody on my grave with me...nor do I need a intercession from anybody. Truth must be told! If everyone followed what I say...or NOT; it's the same to me!


Ramadan Mubarak all those who are Muslims!


Peace, Ahmad!

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Jermaani.

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Did You see WHAT AHMED SAID GUYS?!!!!.

All muslims today who pray for the prophet at the end of the ATTAXYAAD are like those PAGAN ARABS WHO INVOKED HUBAL,LATTE,UZZA.?....

SO WE ARE ALL MUSHRIKIIN EXCEPT SUBMITTERS?..
WHAT A WICKED WORLD?..

AHMED SELECTS RELIGION ACCORDING TO HIS KNOW ALL MIND:

IF he is truthful about not following anything but the QURAN THE QURAN DID NOT TELL US ARABS PRAYED ASAR,DUHUR OR ANY OF THE SALADS WE PRAY TODAY.

Furthermore WE SAW HIM QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE SO ANYTHING GOES FOR HIM EXCEPT THE PROPHETS SAYINGS.

TO AHMED EVERYTHING IS BETTER THAN THE PROPHET'S SAYINGS.

SECONDLY WHERE DI HE GET THIS INFO UNLESS IT IS
WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE THAT HE READ FROM. I DON'T THOUGH IF HIS NEW PROPHET RASHAAD TOLD HIM IT WAS THE NEW REVILATION.

HAHAHA, AHMED HAS A SHEIKH INCASE YOU DON'T KNOW IT GUYS AND HE CAN'T DENY IT. BUT HE CAN'T RISK SAYING IT. HE IS MURIIDI IF YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.


HAAHAHAHAAA, Ican't believe he is risking his membership IN SUBMITTERS THAT HE IS SAYING HE FOLLOWS AHADITH.

I WILL THROW A COPY OF WHAT YOU SAID IN THEIR WEBSITE SO YOUR NEW PROPHET RSHAD WILL KICK YOU OUT FROM HEAVEN OKEY.

We don't buy your excuses MR KNOW ALL untill you declare aloud you believe that of which was said and done by the prophet DON'T SAY SOME BECAUSE THAT WAS DONE BY THE PROPHET MUST BE FOLLOWED OTHERWISE YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE.

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Qammaan.

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ahmed.

I will not respond to you unless you answer the quetions that you were asked.

Quran does not specify anything that was done BY THE ARABS except thei shirk so I have no idea where the hell you copied this prayers of them.

I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THEM DO YOU GET IT I AM NOT.

Just answer DO YOU SALLI ON THE PROPHET IN YOUR SALAT OR NOT?..

ALL I NEED IS YES OR NO. NO EXCUSES AHMED.

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Ansaari

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Asalaamun Calaa Man Itabacal Hudaa!

Walaalayaal!

Axmed waxa kaliya oo ku filan oo xujo ku ah, hadaladiisa oo kaliya, waayo waa ay is bur-burinayaan.

Axaadiista....sunnada.... iyo waxwalba wuu qilaafsan yahay.

Waxaa cajiib ah oo uu meel ku yiri firkho kasta waxbaan ka qaataa, wixa kalena waan isaga tagaa.

Markaa Diintu ma wax (selection) ah miyaa oo uu qofku hadba wixii la gudboonaado ka qaato ..mise WHAT?

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Bashir Abdi.

Unrecorded Date
Ansaari and Other brothers ASSALAAMU CALEYKUM.

You all saw how AHMED argued against THE PRHOHIBITION OF SONGS. We also saw his VERDICT about muslims who read SALLIGA in the ATTAXYAAD that they are like PAGAN ARABS.

We also know that he likes TO QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE,TOWRAH,TALMUD,PALMS to bolster his arguments SINCE THE ARE LIKE THE QURAN.

TO AHMED THE QURAN ITSELF MUST BE TWISTED AROUND TO CONFORM TO HIS NEEDS.

I wander what is next in line that will be denied.

This shows us if someone does not understand ARABIC they are easily mislead.

LET US WATCH HIS NEXT MOVE INSHALLAH AND FLASH HIM OUT IF TRIES ANOTHER TRICK ON UNSUSPECTING MUSLIMS.

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SUGULLE.

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HEY JERMAANI.

BRO you are funny. I laughed my head off about the way you talked to this AHMED GUY.

When I visited here first I thought it was the usual finger pointing thing but after reading many
of ahmed's comments I concluded he mast be HALLUCINATING BIG TIME.

Let us wait untill he becomes sober enough to reason.
He must be one hell of a guy to REFUSE ALL AHADITH.

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Yaska

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salaamu calaykum yaa ikhwati filcaqiida,

Dhamaan walaalaha muslimiinta ah (NOT AHMED-GAAL);

La yaab maleh in Ahmed-Gaal maalinba geed isku qariyo wax aan mandiqa gali karina hadba la imanayo. Insha Allah waxaan jeclaa in aan Maqaalkii Orientalism soo diyaaro laakiin ramadaan baa iga soo gashay, Insha Allah maan iloowin waan ku tala jiraa, in aan soo gudbiyo.

Umma baahna in juhdi wey lagaliyo wixii nac nac/qusac balaad iyo qur'aan dhurwaa ah ee aan cilmi ku dhisnayn ee meelahaas looga soo akhriyey..laakiin tashwiish in uu ku rido dadka cusub ee bage:kan soo booqanaya iyaga oo aan ogeyn in looga digo.

hi what about the laddies? I mean lady-line (women forums)!! Are they aware about this thing?
what abouy Shactiroolayaasha? I enjoy their stuff but this storty have to be noticed !!!

I wonder what is the idea behind Islam forums and General one?

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ayub

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another round of the debate between a sunni and submitter from soc.culture.somalia forums:

Mahmoud Abib wrote:
> Brother, there is no such a thing
> called "second most important source" in Islam.

Yes, there is another source and
it is called the sunna.

> There are no seconds in Allah's religion, > Islam.

Well, there is the Word of
Allah(the Holly Qur'an) and
there is the practice of the
prophet of Allah(the sunna).



> Prophet Muhammad's mission was to deliver the Quran,
> the whole Quran and nothing but the Quran.

The prophet's mission was not
one of only the delivering of the Qura'n;
rather the prophet's mission included
the teaching, reciting and interpreting
of the Qur'an.

> This book is our source and our only source.


The Qur'an is not meant to be
handed on to the people like
the pizza man hands the order
of the pizza on to the one who ordered, but
the Qur’an is a source of guidance that
requires, teaching and interpreting and
this is what the prophet did very well.

Mr. Abib, the believe that the prophet's
mission was just to deliver the Qur'an is
something the Khalifates believe and this is
where you guys and us differ.

We believe that the prophet's mission was
more than that. He was not a mere deliverer
of the Qura’n, but a teacher, interpreter,
and expounder of the message of the Qura'n
and this is called the sunna.

> In our Shahadah, we testify to La ilah illa Allah.
> This statement denotes the existance of Allah Alone, and that,
> He is the only source of religious instructions and guidance.

Well, we testify to *La ilaha ila
Allah* too and we also testify
that *Mohammeda rasuulu Allah*, which
is an obligatory article of faith.

> To say the denying of hadith and sunnah is denying the Prophet himself
> is preposterous to say the least.

Well, a Muslim who denies the sunna
of the prophet and then follows his
own desires is the one who is confused.


> Such premise demonstrates one's lack of knowledge and understanding of Quran.

One of the sunna of the prophet is the
way he performed the salat, the way he
demonstrated how Allah wants us to perform
the prayers, which it is established in
the sunna of the prophet and not the Quran.

> The Quran teaches all that we need to know about Prophet Muhammad.
> "Muhammad - the messenger of Allah - and those with him are harsh
> and stern against the disbelievrs, but kind and compassionate amongst
> themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek Allah's
> blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of
> prostrating..." Quran 48:29

As we can see the Ayat above that the
Qura'n teaches us that Muhammed is
the messenger of Allah(Muhammeda rasuulu Allah).

The prophet’s personal habits)his
sunna) is so faithfully established
and followed by us. We do this everyday
by bowing and prostrating to Allah in the
way the prophet did.

We also seek Allah's blessings upon
the prophet(sala-Allahu calayhim wasalim)


Now, Mr. Abib, how do you prostrate
and bow to Allah and where can we find
its establishment in the Qur’an?

> "Muhammad was not the father of any of man among you. He was a
> messenger of Allah and the final prophet. Allah is fully aware
> of all things." Quran 33:40


Mr. Abib, the Aaya above reads this way:

"Muhammad *IS* not the father of any
of men among you, but *IS* a messenger of Allah.........."

In any event, the prophet is related to the human being
in a spiritual relation entirely different from the material
relationship of fatherhood and as such, his sunna or his
religious practice is a one we should followed it if we call
ourselves as Muslims.

We should observe the way he observed the Salat; we
should give the Sakaat the way the prophet gave the Sakaat.

As Muslims, we should obey Allah's Words as well as
follow the sunna of His messenger.



Bashir.

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> ONLY GOD can make prohibitions.
> There is no such a thing as
> "and also from the messenger".


In Qur'an we are told that the messenger
was given the Quran and the Wisdom [2:151].

In fact, we are ordered that we should obey the
prophet[3:32], and take whatever he gives us and
abstain from whatever he prevents us[24:7], since
he only practiced what was given to him by Allah[53:3].

Mr. Abib, if you have read the final Sermon of
the Prophet, you will understand why he told us to
stick two things, the Qur'an & Sunna.

Obviously, we know you deny the prophet's Sunna, and
the last two Ayats of Sura Toba, but we follow Allah's
total Book and His prophet's Sunna.

We know that Allah tells us repeatedly in the Qura'n
to pray, but the details were not given in Quran.

From the Sunna of the prophet, we know how to pray the
salat, which by the way, you repeatedly ovoided to answer
when I put to you the question of how prayers are performed.


"Verily in the messenger of Allah ye
have a good example for him who looketh
unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth
Allah much." [ 33:21]

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:

>>> In Qur'an we are told that the messenger was given the
>>> Quran and the Wisdom [2:151].
>>> We know that Allah tells us repeatedly in the Qura'n
>>> to pray, but the details were not given in Quran.


> The Quran and the wisdom are one and the same (17:39 & 36:2).
> And the one who teaches the wisdom and the kitaab is none other than
> Allah SWT (55:1-2).
> The details of Salat are in the Quran. You just did not develop
> the vision to see those details.



Mr. Abib, all the prophets were given the
Wisdom and every prophet was commanded to teach his
intended people this Wisdom..i.e. his examples or his sunna.

What you do not understand is that the Wisdom our prophet was
given is something which he had commonality with at least three other prophets, Jesus, Moses and Daud --(May Allah bless them all).

You see, these prophets were given the Wisdom in addition to the Divine Revelations(Torah, Saboor, Injiil and Qur'an), but most
prophets of Allah were given only the Wisdom without any Revelation to accompany with them.

For example, prophet Luqman who was given only
the Wisdom .i.e., authentic belief coupled with
moral and virtuous acts; this act of Wisdom is
meant the evidence of the understanding in accordance
with the ruling guide of the law of Allah and prophets
and their followers are expected to adhere to it.

Therefore, the Quran and the wisdom are *not* one and the same.

If they were, prophet Luqman would have been teaching the Qura'n to his people and
all the laws in the Qura'n.


> <In fact, we are ordered that we should obey the
> <prophet[3:32],

> Obeying the Prophet is simply following the Quran ALONE and worshiping
> Allah Alone (17:46, 40:66). This is the utmost respect and obedience
> one can give God's final Prophet.



Mr. Abib, worship of Allah alone is every Muslim's life, but the way to attain that and the way to perfect the worship of
Allah can be known only through Allah's prophet and not
by mere human reason.

We must worship Allah as preached and performed by Allah's prophet.


The question is this: if the details of worship of Allah are
found in the Qur’an, as Mr. Abib would like us to believe, why
isn't he sharing with us? And why is he unable to cite for us
one Ayah that talks about the formula of Salat.?

He always quotes Qur'anic Ayats, but I have never seen one
Ayah that he cited that mentions about the way to pray.!!

Lip-profession of Qura'n Alone is moonshine!


> >We know that Allah tells us repeatedly in the Qura'n
> >to pray, but the details were not given in Quran.
> The details of Salat are in the Quran. You just did not develop
> the vision to see those details.


Many times I have challenged Mr. Abib to show us exactly where in the Qur'an can we look up the details of Salat and each time I asked this question,
he disappeared and totally ignored the issue until he comes back to us and tell us that Salat is in the Qur'an.

Let us see now if he disappears or if he shares with us his "vision"


>he upheld the Quran, the whole Quran and nothing but the
>Quran. He will CERTAINLY disown you and your blinded idolatry of him
>and your setting him as a partner with Allah.


Mr. Abib, only Allah knows who will be disowned
in the Day of Qiyama and by whom.

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ayub

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bashir ali (bashir1@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Mahmoud Abib wrote:

: > So don't repeat this bullshit, propagated by filthy
: > child molesting sheiks.


: quoting Citizin News Paper:
: ---

: Tucsan man faces trail in alleged rape of Teen
: A Tucsan man was ordered yesterday to stand trial on charges of
: 1- sexual assault,
: 2-sexual abuse and
: 3-sexual contact with a minor,

: after a 16 years-old girl testified that he raped her while supposedly
: recruiting her for a United nation research project.
: ---

: Later, he plea bargained of no contest to leave his UN supposed
: research about aura and never be alone with a minor.

:
: Mr. Abib, that is the Rashaad Khalifia, the man whom you are always
: quoting his so called Qur'an; the man who claimed to have been
: the messanger of Allah.

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> >After a 16 years-old girl testified that he raped
> >her while supposedly recruiting her for a United
> >nation research project.

> And

Mr. Abib, are you denying that your Rashad
Khalifa was charged with rape by a 16 years-old girl?

Are you telling us that the 16 year-old girl didn't tell
the truth and that there were no charges of attempted
rape against Rashad Khalifa or are you telling us
that Khalifa didn't do any inappropriate things to
the little girl?


> Here, one who commits rape goes to jail, period.

We hear every day that many men get away with rape
and go free in this country and we hear that many women
who are the victim of rape don't not come forward for
fear of humiliation; they know that men get away with
rape every day and they do not want to be raped again in
the court system.

> We shall know the truth of what took place between RK and
> the girl you mention soon,

Yes, tell us the truth and what took place between
the little girl and Rashad Khalifa.

> why mislead the public and hurt your soul.

It seems that your soul is the one that is
hurting when you deny the report from
Citizen News Paper in Tucson.

The news paper reported the rape
change against Rashad Khalifa and
that is a fact.


> >Mr. Abib, that is Rashaad Khalifia, the man you are always
> >quoting his so called Qur'an; the man who claimed to have been
> >the messenger of Allah.

> "Qouting his Quran"?

Yes, his so called Qur'an.

> What I quote are Quranic verses, and the Quran translations
> I use are not always that of Rashad Khalifa.

Well, you told us in another thread the reason you
use Rashad Khalifa's so called Qur'an.

You wrote: "The only reason that I use his translation
is for simpilicity sake. It is written in modern day English"

Mr. Abib, this Rashad Khalifa was the man who claimed to have
been the last messenger of Allah and you know about his false
claim and yet, you still find a "reason" to admire his work, the so called "translation" of the Qur'an.!!!!

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:
>
> bashir ali <bashir1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Mr. Abib, are you denying that your Rashad
> >Khalifa was charged with rape by a 16 years-old girl?

> Yes. And you are lying when you spread such lies and filth in this
> Newsgroup.



Well, let's go to the original
source where no contest plea for raping
a minor appeared: Oct 6 1979. Citizin News Paper

Anyone who has access to school libabry can look it up
the report. Oct 6, 19979. Citizen News Paper.

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> This is getting to be nauseating sir.

I know that the truth sometimes hurts and
it can also be nauseating.


> I NEVER discussed with you my relationship
> with a khalifate or with any other group.

Mr. Abib, I believe you are the victim of firmly
fix and deep-rooted habits-- showing evasion is as
frequent and customary to you.

May be, this is your habit of avoiding the issue.

You are trying to convince us now that you are not
one of the Khalifates, but you have built so
solid and unsavory a reputation that only
few are likely to be misled by your
denial---and then, not for long until
they read your confession below which
shows that you are one of them.

"As of yesterday, I instructed +our secretary+
to delete your name from the data base.
You will not be receiving anything +from us+."


"OUR SECRETARY" and "FROM US"!


> >It might have been in the year 1993 or in late 1992.

> It was 1993, and the place was Compuserve Religion forums.

I don't see the contradiction.

> >Anyway, I was curious to know why would a Somali person
> >join a group which Rashad Khalifa established.!

> Should you lie? That was not what you told me.
> You said that you believed that I was Somali.
> And that you recognized me by my last name.

Yes, I knew you were a Somali, but I also believed
that you were one of the Khalifates too.

That is why I was curious to know why would a
Somali person join a group which Rashad Khalifa
established.!!

No, lying there, is there?

> I told you that I was.

You also told me that you were one
of the Khalifates.

> You praised me and showed me your interest of
> RK's writings.

I don't know about praising, but what I showed
you was a friendly discourse and I requested that you
send me a copy of his so called Qur'an, not the
three books RK wrote that you sent me.

>I forwarded your name to those who handle shipments
> of books. I told them to send you all the books
> and that I will pay all of your cost.

And I thanked you for doing that.

I even offered to send you the cost of these
books that you sent me.


> It seems that you received all that which you requested.

And more, but I don't regret to have received them all,
becuase I learnt a lot from them, but the truth and the
real Islam always out shines the deviated teachings that
look like Islam.

> I was neither interested in converting you nor do I care
> what your believes are. Infact, I never followed up as
> to what you thought of the materials I sent you till we
> met again here at SCS. So Bashir, how dare you will malign
> my sincere intentions?

I didn't malign your intentions and I didn't question
the reasons you sent me those books by Rashad
Khalifa, but I only pointed out that you were and
still are one of the members of Rashad Khalifa's cult.

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> <For example, Mr. Abib is aware that the form of prayer, the SALAT,
> <is not directly described in the Qur'an, but is he considering it
> < a "man-made innovation", if we ask him this?

> Rest assured, I will show you the details of EVERY worshiping practice
> from the Quran. But I am over loaded with work nowadays. I have saved all
> of your replies and I will respond to them promptly when I have more time
> insha Allah. I think we concluded the Ablution topic, so my next topic will
> be the Adan and then the actual performance of Salat.



You have been posting over the past two or three
months to this NG many postings, but every time
you were asked to prove from the Qur’an whether
the formula of the salat is described in It or not,
the only retort or response coming from you is this:

"I will show you" and "I will respond to them promptly when I have more time insha Allah"

I guess this is what you call proof.!!!

Mr. Abib, why can’t you just utilize the
Qur’an to produce an evidence?

Is anyone telling you that you can’t use the
Qur’an or have you been searching the answers
from other places and you can't bare to share
with us your findings?

I hope you don’t blame the Qur’an for your
lack of evidence and also don’t try to blame Al-Bukhaari
this time, for he didn’t remove the answers you are searching
from the Qur’an!



> Surprisingly, the Khalifates view on this subject is similar to yours.
> They claim Allah commanded Abraham to practice (although this nonsense
> is no where in the Quran) circumcision and prophet Muhammad practiced it,
> and, since their last messenger (Rashad Khalifa) did not say anything about
> circumcision, it must have been approved by God! This is another warped
> logic and a miserable conclusion. You see, you and the Khalifates have
> one main thing in common, Quran alone is not sufficient for either of
> you. You are both idol-worshipers, and unless you repent and reform,
> you will spend eternity in the hell-fire.


Mr. Abib, it is clear here that you have a one-track mind,
and soon everyone will realize that you are
ridding a superficial track, which is full of extreme
insincerity that makes you look absurd to the point
where you bore everyone to distraction. Do you think
now that we will not consider you as one of Khalifate?

If you aren't a Khalifate, then, you are
addicted to the habit of being a monomaniac as
though you are an iconoclast

But, we know you are what you are, a Khalifate
since a lot of your ideas really came from Rashad Khalifa.

Your ways of thinking is sufficiently similar to him;
thus, you could be described by the name of Khalifate
since he was the one who originated those ideas of yours.

You see, a Khalifite means something more than a mere
rejection of hadeeth. It represents, rather, a whole
complex of ideas and views which are identifiable
with the teachings of Khalifa which you clearly follow.

You might want to reject quite a few of his ideas
now and still be legitimately called a Khalifite.
There is no difference between, say for example,
an open-minded Khalifite, which you are trying to
be, and a blind-faith Khalifite.

They are all the same to me.

You want to acknowledge that Khalifa only made mistakes and he
was not a messenger, but then you want to promote his mistakes on to this forums, and use his so called the translation of the Qur'an which
you also still sending it to others as a good Qura'n.!!!!!!

Is this an example of hypocrisy or what?

The fact that you attend his center, Tucson Masjid, which he
established and you promote his teachings and still engage
mailing his so called the translation of the Qura’n to people
proofs to me that you are one of his students.

Let me ask you this since you are a member of the
Tucson masjid, do you feel more affinity with those
who actually consider Khalifa a messenger than with,
say, mainstream Muslims?

If yes, what does that make you?

I know you don’t like to be called
Khalifates, but from now on, I will call you the
other name you guys like, the Submitters, how about it?

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum!

Jermaani,

Declaring out-loud what??? That I believe everything my Prophet did/say? I DO!

That is not the point! The point is that I don't believe EVERYTHING that Bukhari/Muslim/Ja`far say of the Prophet are true! I DON'T! So, get a GRIP!

I quote the Bible ONLY those that agree WITH the Qur`an---not the other way around! AND, I do that the same with Hadiths! SO, what is your point?


As for Rashad Khalifa, XCUSE ME, but I don't believe any other messanger but MUHAMMAD(pbuh)!

It's very much true...that I agree with some of what Submitters bring---but what the heck, I agree with some of what the BIBLE brings...because it agrees WITH the Qur`an!

I never said that I know all...NOR did I ever claim to be a scolar or anything close to that. BUT, you don't need to be a ROCKET-SCIENTIST to know the basics of Islam!

AND, FYI...if you missed it, the Qur`an teaches us that they did used to pray and do hajj and saum(HECK, Prophet Muhammad was fasting...when the Qur`an came to him in Mount Hira!)

The Qur`an did not say anything about how many ra`kat they pray...because that was not corrupted, they only corrupted *when*...and God told them that in the Qur`an! AND He sent the Prophet as a Virtual Example for them to see and take from!

SO, please, before you say anything...Get your facts straight!


Qamaan,

PLEASE, don't flater yourself...I DO NOT need you to respond to me, at all! It was you who came into my discussion and have the right to leave it, the same way. NO body is twisting your arm to read or respond to my posts; SO DON'T play the royal to me, okay? `Cause I don't give a root what you do or don't; as simple as that!

As for your question; "Just answer DO YOU SALLI ON THE PROPHET IN YOUR SALAT OR NOT?..." XCUSE me for butting in, but I ALREADY told you that! So, read what people write to you! I do NOT, and I say again, DO NOT, pray/bless anybody in my salat! I bless/pray for the Prophet, myself, and ALL Muslims AFTER I finish!

I'm sick and tired people keep asking me the same darn questions over and over---sorry...i don't have the energy or the time to tell each and everyone of you(and your different alliases)...what I said trillion of times!


Ansaari,

I SAID "good bye" to you a while ago, remember? BECAUSE of your twisting way of discussing. I believe if one does not want to talk to you or discuss with you...you shouldn't keep bothering them. HOWEVER, I know that is not a rule for yah!

Xadiisyada iyo sunnadaan khilaafsanahay??? Boy...what a double-faced creature! HOW many times did I tell you that I DO NOT deny the existence of the Sunnah(ficil/oraah)???

I select? YES! WHY? Because wicked people divided the Religion of God into sects and factions! "Mad-habs" other than ISLAM came with different names and groups!

ONCE again, GOOD BYE, Ansaari...and quit giving me a reason to talk to you! I know where you stand...you know where I stand; I am NOT interested in your help, I have seen how you "help"...so NOT a clicker!


Bashir Abdi,

ANOTHER twister! I wonder where do these people come from? Maybe you're Ansaari's *ghost*??? Or Yaska's? LOL! OR all of the above? Not a baker, I can tell ya that!

I qoute the Bible---Because the BIBLE has some words of God in it. The Books of God, we're told in the Qur`an, are falsied not vanished. Is it harm to QUOTE the Bible when it agrees with the Qur`an? Xcuse me...but what kind of logic do you have? Do you not know that the Bible makes Muslims, itself, all the time? YUP, you must be another Ansaari...and same thing applies to you; GOOD BYE!


This is IT, for me! I have had enough of your insults! You simply want to be a way...and that is 100% fine with me...`cause i'm NOT the One who judges you in a later day!


May ramadan shine upon all those who believe!


Peace, Ahmad!

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ayub

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Mahmoud Abib <eb72380@goodnet.com> wrote:
> Bashir Ali wrote:
> <I doubted it if you would ever want to talk about the topic of salat.
> >You keep delaying it for some reason. Isn't it true that you would have
> >showed long time ago an evidence about salat in the Qur'an when you were asked before, but let me
> >give you more ropes anyway to hung yourself by saying to you we have a
> >deal!!!!!!

>Bashir,
>The Quran details second most important pillar of Islam (Salat). Insha
>Allah, I will go over them step by step from ablution to the last
>salaams. At the end of each step, I will ask you few questions. I hope
>you will answer them sincerely.

In another place, you accused me of fleeing like
an ass, but here it is clear that you are the one
who is avoiding the issue. You have been evading
the salat issue for long time and amazingly enough
and from no-where here comes you in point of
thoughtlessness and obstinacy as though you
are disturbed. You couldn't do anything else but
to re-post an earlier post that talks about the wudu
instead of the salat. Whenever you are asked to tell us
where could we find in the Qur'an the steps of the Salat,
all you could do is to copy one of the Khalifa's books
again without answering the issue at hand!
Mr. Abib, go ahead, do what you do best, on the lam prank
and keep saying that you will "discuss it later or but first...." This is an excuse; however, I'm here to keep reminding you again and again, but don't be
disturbed if this comes up again; even-though, I still think you are incapable to answer the salat question.

> According to Allah's fully detailed book (6:114), the steps of ablution
> are as follow:
> "O you who believe, when you observe the Contact prayers (Salat),
> you shall:
> 1) wash your faces,
> 2) wash your arms to the elbows,
> 3) wipe your heads, and
> 4) wash your feet to the ankles..." Quran 5:6
>According to Allah's book, the steps of Wudu are those simple four steps.

As I pointed out to you before, the four steps
of the wudu which you listed are not the complete steps.
It is wrong to mislead people, Mr., Abib, especially when
it concerns about the Words of Allah.
Allah didn't enumerate the way you listed these steps.
According to Allah's fully detailed Book, there are other
steps which you left out for some reason or another
that deal the formula of the wudu.
If Allah detailed in his Book, why didn't you include
the other steps of the wudu in the Ayat(5:6) you quoted?
Besides and as you know, we imitate the way the prophet
made his wudu. His ways are our object of imitation, because
the prophet was a great example; his daily behavior has
instituted a course which all Muslims should observe. After all, he was a living illustration and explanation of the Qur'an
and was the mouthpiece of Allah's revelations.

Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> Salamun caleykum Bashir,

Wa caleykum.

>1) you wash hands
>2) wash mouth
>3) wash nose
>4) wash face
>5) wash arms to the elbow
>6) wipe head
>7) wash ears
>8) wash feet
> This is the common practice in almost all over the Islamic world. But, in
> your previous message, you mentioned that steps 1-3 & 7 are not
> obligatory. Please, clarify by what you mean non obligatory.

Non obligatory is the sunna of the prophet. One does not
commit a sin by omitting it, not unless one's intention is to defy and denigrate the prophet and those who sincerely follow him and his example, as is,
in fact, commanded in the Qur'an

> Does that mean an individual may disregard these four steps, i.e, washing
> mouth, nose, ears, and another individual may do it? And doing this EXTRA
> FOUR STEPS ARE upto the individual's discretion?

A true believer never tries to disregard what Allah
commanded and the examples of His prophet, especaily when it comes to the matter of worship.
On the other hand, a hypocrite is the one who
disregards the orders of Allah and His
prophet's examples. Therefore,

"Those resist Allah and His messenger, they are
among the lowest"
"Allah has decreed: surely It is I and My messengers
who shall overcome. Verily Allah is Strong, Mighty."
"You(Muhammad) will not find any people who believe
in Allah and the last Day making friendship with those
who oppose Allah and His messenger........."(58:20-22)


> Now, to give you my way of ablution, I do my face, arms to elbow, wipe
> head and wash feet, period.
>Am I doing it properly, Islamically and the Quranic way?

Not if you intentionally refuse to do what Allah and His
messenger have commanded. If you do that, know that
you are infringing the ordinances of either
commandments, therefore, you aren't doing it properly.

"O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the messenger,
and don't render your deeds vain"(47:33)

> We are about to conclude this topic (Ablution) shortly insha Allah,
> atleast from my end, so let me end with the following.

Before you end it, why don't you answer
the questions that I put to you which you didn't answer?

Does the Qur'an say anywhere that if there are more
than four steps in one's ablution, it is invalid?
For example, if I take a step or wash my neck
while I am making ablution, have I invalidated it?
If I brush my teeth, does it invalidate my wudu'?

I do these things while I'm making the wudu and these
steps aren't in the Qur'an..

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ayub

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Bashir wrote:

> >Does the Qur'an say anywhere that if there are more
> >than four steps in one's ablution, it is invalid?
> >For example, if I take a step or wash my neck
> >while I am making ablution, have I invalidated it?
> >If I brush my teeth, does it invalidate my wudu'?

>No. No. No.

Mr. I thought you held the idea that there are only
four steps of wudu and anyone how follows
other than what the Qur'an listed is committing shirk?

So much for your Qua'n Alone antics.

> >I do these things while I'm making the wudu and these
> >steps aren't in the Qur'an..

> Good for you and anyone who does.
>Just DO NOT SAY ALLAH COMMANDED THIS
> WAY.

Mr. Abib, Why are you NOT now condemning me or
anyone who does extra these steps that aren't
listed in the Qur'an?
Do you mean, we are not committing shirk by doing
extra steps in wudu NOW?!!!!

Again, so much for your Qur'an Alone antics!

> My intention was NEVER to put down the Prophet.
>It just seems to you this way since you have no clue
>of Allah's words and wisdom.

Let us then understand together the clues of
Allah's Words and the Wisdom, the prophet's way of making
the salat, shall we?

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Bashir Abdi.

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Ahmed.

You don't need to be indignant. You accused muslims who read the prayer for the prophet at the end of the last attaxyaad to be committing shirk.

With all due respect we do what we do in following the prophets words and how he performed his prayers himself.

The same way he performed his prayers must reflect on the same way other muslims perform their salat.

It is not possible for us to follow islam partially when so much explanation of the quran was done by the prophet in deeds as well as words.

I completely miss your point of arguing that we should not follow the ahadith or if we do that we made shirk.

May be your understanding of shirk is way much different than other understanding of it by US.
If you honestly speak about your practice of religion may be there would be an understanding
between us.
All the islamic generations throughout history was dependent on the explanation of the ahadith.

My conclusion: Do the way that seem fit to you but if you desire to point out any shortcomings that muslims are committing bring forth your DALIIL.

And I did not understand what you meant by me not being a baker. I don't bake trully speaking. I tried once but failed miserably.

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Ansaari

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Axmed

....Xadiisku wax ma xarimi karo, quraanka kaliya ayaa wax xarimi kara ayaa lagaa hayaa....

....Meelo kale waxaa lagaa hayaa Abaa Hureyra raaci maayo, been buu sheegay ama laga sheegay..adigoon marnaba daliil u haysan doodahaaga...

....Waxaa kaloo lagaa hayaa khilaafid aad khilaaftey xataa salaadii Nabiga...

....Waxaa kaloo lagaa hayaa salaama naqsiga looga baxayo salaada waxaad u duceyneysaa qofka midig/bidix kaa fadhiya, balse Suubanihii waad diidey in aad salaada Allaah ugu baridid...

....Waxaa kaloo lagaa hayaa inaad ku tilmaamtey dadkii saliga Ibraahimiyada AQRIYAA waa Mushrikiin...

....Waxaa kaloo lagaa hayaa in heesuhu banaan yihiin...

....Waxaa kaloo lagaa hayaa xayeeysiin/faanin yahuud markasta sheekadaada kusoo dartid...wax aad ula jeedo & macna aay sheekada ku suubineyso aanan jirin????

....Waa aay badan yihiin oo aay badan yihiin waxa lagaa hayo...ISLAAMNIMADANA waa looga baxaa sidan, islaamnimadaadana shaki ayeey iiga jirtaa.

Naf quusatey (dhunsan) ayaad sidaa, balse laguu sheeg, daliil lakuu keen dhegba kuuma furna. Dadkan oo dhana waa dad walaalahaa ah oo kaa naxaya kulana rabo kheyr balse waad sii fogaaneysaa

GABAGABO: Illaah XAQA haku tuso, haddii aad XAQ raadis tahay, haddiise aad XAQ raadis aheyn Allaaah (swt) ha ku qabto, qabasho ADAG!, waayo fitno (bidcinimo) ayaad muslimka la dhexjoogtaa.

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