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     | Unrecorded Date There are some signs of political momentum now being organized back home. The parties involved in this political re-building process have there own agenda. But the name of the game is re-building, So what do you think will bring the solution. Democratic, Islamic or Tribal Socialism! Take your pick! I voted for a Islamic based Democracy! Please note that you are participating a political survey! Islam Democracy Tribal Socialism 0.5--------0.5-------------0--------- I will try to tally your opinions from time to time!
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| | Unrecorded Date salaamu 'aleykum; What IS the difference between Islam and Islam Democracy? I vote for Islam, BUT NOT SECURALISM,! SECULAR Political Sytem = ??????, I started, You finish!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Dec. 1/99 Islam Democracy Tribal Socialism 1.5-------0.5---------------0--------- The combination of a two political systems are allowed. Your vote which carries a credit count of one will be divided for the two or the three systems you decided to combine. CCM
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum! Democratic??? What is democratic? The free to do whatever you wanna do??? NO! Man is wicked, as it is---without being free to do whatever heck he wants to do! Islam??? YES, any kind---I would choose the WORST kind of Islam in a blink of an eye...over democracy! "I voted for a Islamic based Democracy!" you didn't give us that choice! Islam is democratic itself, to extent! Dat is a do! :-) Blessed BE! Peace, Ahmad!*>.<* Tribal??? Nah...already tested that kind(NO good!)
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| | Unrecorded Date assalama calaykum. what do you mean islamic based democracy!!. islamic is the best and enouph!.
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| | Unrecorded Date Hi people, let us use logic and not emotions, after all this is only a survey. I would vote for Islam, except that i don't trust the Somali man's ability to look beyond his clan, so the question would be will i be safe under the tribe of sheikh hebel' rule. And before you guys jump on me, please remeber that it was us, as moslems who have created the mess we are in. Are we going to replace the warlords with Talabins wanna bes?? or there is a new genration of leaders who throughly and truly know the Quran and therfore could be trusted not to forward a clan agenda?
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Caleykum Before I vote, I just want to know if there is such thing as "Islamic based Democracy!" Is this mention in the Islamic sharia? I just don't understand how one would combine Islam and Democracy while both are contarary to each other. After all, Islam is religion that has all its rules of worshipping, dealing with business, respecting the invorment, everything from A to Z including health, governmenal laws and politics while democracy is pricipals and proposals wich is written and enforced by humans. How would one compare peoples' rules and regulations and Allahs laws and orders. If one thinks that there is Islamic based Democracy, then would that be the Islamic laws that were on the time of prophet Adam, abraham, Sulayman, Muhamed or the times of the Kulafa'u raashidiin. Or would this mean "MUSLIMIIN QUNYARA SOCOD AH, not the hardliners. Can someone help me undestand what it means by saying Islamic based Democracy? I would vote for ISLAM not democracy, not tribal socialism but Islam based on the QUR'AAN & SUNNAH.
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| | Unrecorded Date I give my vote to a Kinder-Gentler DEMOCRACY. One that has freedom of speech and thought, but that has ammenities for the poor. A system that has free health care and education for all its people. A system, where the the legislative branch is separate from its executive branch...but has NO Congress (to cumbersome). A system where clergy stay AWAY from politics and in the Mosques. Religion and affairs of a nation can never mix in this day and age. Back in the 14th Century, life was a lot different and the Moslem men a great deal more rational. Today their are too many hard-headed, kindness-free, Mutawaciins!!! Dying to cover me up, tell me to stay home and say I have no thinking abilities. NOT A CHANCE! Ok.....go ahead...Bash me!
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| | Unrecorded Date bloody hell...... i vote for liberalism... can't trust wadaado... too risk in my book......
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| | Unrecorded Date Dec 2/99 10:53 a.m EST Vote count thus far! Islam Democracy Tribal Socialism Tot. Votes ================================================== =69%(5.5)=== 31%(2.5) ==== 0% (0)=========== 8==== CCM P.S. Please excersise tolerance and respect towards the views of others even if they don't agree with yours. Keep voting! The purpose of this survey is to understand the political mood of the somali people and to use the data (once enough data is collected) collected to forecast the kind of system that might suit our land, based the general feeling of the public.
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| | Unrecorded Date I vote for democracy.
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| | Unrecorded Date Brothers & Sisters; Democracy clearly states that the sovereignty (supremacy, ruling) rests with the people in contrast to the Shari’a which clearly states that the sovereignty rests with Allah (swt). This fundamental ideological argument is what differentiates a Muslim from a non-Muslim. The two can neither be compatible nor can they be commingled. In the Sharia the ruling is based on the fundamentals of Islamic jurisprudence (Qur’an and Sunnah), while the ruling within democratic system is directed by the people, what this means is that in Sharia the ruling is done by Allah and Allah is always just and right (assuming that we are not debating the issue of faith), and in democratic systems laws are made on what is popular and not always what is right, it is understandable in the democratic system when a law maker (politician, congressman or member of a parliament) does not dare to do the unpopular thing, although might be right, when his job is on the line in the next election. As a Muslim and as someone who likes justice and righteousness I have no choice but to vote for Islam. Regards
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| | Unrecorded Date carweelo You got it all wrong sis ISLAM is freedom. The Islamic shira'a ensures the rights of all individuals in a society. Islam also esures gender equity and those who take away the freedom of women are not following the shira'a as they should. U say in today's world religion and politics can't be mixed, I say we need religon now then we ever did b4. When Allah(swt) gave us Islam he gave us the best survival kit possible. The word Islam means a way of life, it's not just a religon where u just pray to remember god but it's a culture in which u must live ur life according to, if u want to have a meaningful life both here and the after life. Look at all the Hipocrasy that exists in the so called democratic countries. I say we'd be very lucky if could establish an Islamic state in somalia. 0.1.......1.0.........0.0
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| | Unrecorded Date One question sister Alyisa; In the Islamic state you envision, do you see women pariticpating fully and equally in the economic, political and social development of Somalia, without any barriers? Or will we be kept out, in the name of "women's role in Islam"? Plse answer without judging my belief in Allah and the Quran.
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| | Unrecorded Date Caraweelo In the perfect Islamic state, we, women would have the freedom we are entitled to. We would not be underminded in any way or be discriminated against because of our gender. We would be treated with respect and dignity, we wouldn't be considered as objects that exist only to suite the needs of men. We would be not be victims of the fashion industry and the media that degrades our bodies and makes us feel worth less. In the perfect Islamic society we would be appreciated for our mental capabilities and not for how well we can fit in to a size 1 dress.Islam ensures these rights to us and those who dare go against the word of Allah would have to deal with Him. The only time in Islam where women are required to be behind men is during Salaat. Other than that we're equal. Yes I see women participating fully in the development of Somalia weather it's Political, social or economical. When I said Islamic state I meant a truly Islamic state not the pathetic ones that exist today. As for the issue of women being forced to cover themselves up, well I am a stronge beliver of the Hijab although I don't wear it myself and even though I think no one should be forced to do anything against their own will, I think the Hijab should be enforced. I say this because u need to have all the necessary components (assuming we're all in agreement that the hijab is seen as a necessary element in Islam) in order to establish or maintain a truly Islamic state u can't ignore one shira and enforce the other, it's hypocritical. I don't know, maybe I am too idealistic, but hey we're all allowed to have our own dreams!
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| | Unrecorded Date Alyisa and Carawelo: Goood for you sisters, perhaps it is time our ladies give a shot the reconciling and the rebuilding of our troubled homeland. The preliminary results are as follows: Democracy-------Islam-------Tribal Socialism--Tot. ================================================== 32% (3.5/11)====68% (7.5/11)===== 0 ==========11== CCM
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| | Unrecorded Date I gotta question guys, someone out there may have the answer. How could one believe in Islam and say that I live according to the quran and the sunnah yet has hunches that democracy may be the solution. There is only two things, ISLAM & DAQUUT, everthing that's worshipped besides ALLAH. If I don't vote for pure Islam, I basically vote for DAAQUUT. Wherever your vote goes, never think companing ISALM, a true religion & DEMOCRACY, devils' law. You see the difference, one come from Allah through Jabreil and the other came from SHAYTAN. Be aware umadaan maanta nool kuma hagaageyso kuma badbaadeyso waxaan kuwii hore ku hagaagin kuwaasoo ahaa qarniyadii nabiga, khulafada iyo saalixiintii ka dambeysay
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| | Unrecorded Date salaamu 'aleukum, Hold on horses for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nowdays there is something they call "Internet Based Reseach", which is new way of doing the social development researches. social development reseachers fellow the changes and the factors of the changes in the society, in order to predict the general situation of that society in near future. The owner of this topic MR/MISS/MS/SIR/MADDAM CCM, Didn't it explain clearly the Objectives and the Aims of this reseach, who owns and why it so interested? HE/SHE coupled islam with democracy, he/she refuses to measure "PURE" Islam agains other political sytems and the worst he/she never comments in Somali Language!! To correct your way, check islam agains democracy based islam !!! 'let alone rest of the alternitive systems.
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| | Unrecorded Date to Alysa: You discuss a beautiful society albeit unattainable. If such a society exists I would kill to live in it!
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| | Unrecorded Date The tally as it stands now: Democracy=======Islam=======Tribal Socialism =Tot. 3.5/14(25%)===10.5/14(75%)=====0/14 (0%)=====14= Dear Yaska: Your concerns are reasonable and I can see where you are coming from. However, the Somalian political matters are actually everybodies concern, contrary to what you might believe. The collapse of statehood and order to an anrachy, is what a lot academics and curious individual are most affraid off. I for one am interested the political mood of the somali people (those of who have access to the net). From this survey, I like to gain a statistically insignifanct understanding of the desire of your people. This might or might represent the general situation of your people. I'm not here to compare anything, other than what the title of the three political systems depict. For your information, there is a report published by the United states Institute of Peace, authors Hussein Adam and Richard, Ford which in my mind displaces the general feelings and the political momentums that are shaping in your homeland. According to this report, there are strong evidences which suggest that it will take nothing like a lot of you have in mind. In this report favourable momentum is gearing up towards decentralization and clan based socialism. Islam will play a major role in re-unifying the wartorn nation, but it will not be the type of Islam most of you might've mentioned in your discussion. Democracy will certainly be the basis of any political system that might get established in the short term, however, it will not be the kind of democracy the western world had enjoyed so many years. I don't want to take more of your time, but if you care go and visit the report at the following site: http://www.usip.org/pubs/pworks/pwks24/pwks24.html CCM Once again thank you for participating the survey and the discussion: (Special gratitute to Caraweelo and Alyisa for civil discussion which I enjoyed very much)
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| | Unrecorded Date CCM how do you tally the votes such as mine above which are sorta "the undecided". Leaning towards one but with great reservation? Does an undecided vote eskew a survey i.e if enough people are undecided, will that equalize the vote in the sense that equal number of people will want all 3 systems? Then what do you do? Flip a coin? xarash iyo madax!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear Xaali: The aim of my survey is, as I mentioned previously, to understand or to get a sense of the political ideology mood of the Somali people. Thus far people where able to express the system or systems they prefer. Some of you, including yourself, while you expressed your general preferences you showed some scapticism. In such a case I put your vote where it belongs which is your general preferences, and I will assume your concerns can be addressed or you could sucrafice them. This approach meets my aim. Undecided votes, which clearly indicate they are such, are not counted untill the person show some kind of general preference of the three political system that I outlined or they suggest a completely different kind of system, In which case I will add that system to the survey as an alternative. Please remember that I'm also aware of the biased this forums( SomaliNet/ Islam forums) also creates and I will be comparing the results to independent sources or data, to get the complete picture. No coin flipping! I have already formulated the hypothesis in my agenda and this survey and others will help me understand the which, the why and the how..... Thank you Please vote and be fair. CCM
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu 'aleukum all; hello CCM; Thankx for your clearification and information, about the report.. It is just fact finding mession like "Mars Mission"! and it too early to make any conclusion about it. However I don't want to reflect on report's issues seriously(American strategy behind the mession)but I would like to include more and more somalis on the procecss to make both practical and theoretical reflection itself on a shuratic process. About the Islam and the Democracy..., the topic has fired up the debate over the compatibility of islam and democracy. to me democracy isn't the goal but the way to reach the goal.! THere are so many ways to reach final goal,so democracy is one of it. Islam is Manhaj but democracy isn't!. Anyway, current policital changes occuring in islamic world from indonisa, malaysia, india subcontinent to middle east, from heart of europe down to heart of africa shows that It isn't at end of the history but "History repeats itself". and it is nice to see americans changing their foreign policy course from hawkish to more understanding and learning other cultures and civilizations. regards, -Yaska-
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| | Unrecorded Date To: CCM Bismillah You have to understand that you are making poeple choose differant religions an gods. The method you are using don't concern we Muslims. We already made our choice and it will stay that way. Wassalamu calaa manitabaca alhudaa
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| | Unrecorded Date Xareed, CCM is not making any-one choose anything. One is talking about a preference for political ideology. No need to be autocratic, and assume everyone will follow the way you preceive the issues. The fact is that there are many people who are secularists, and they have the right to indicate their preference as they wish. Let us stick to the facts and the realities that exist in our society, without assuming everyone's perception as one.
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| | Unrecorded Date this another way of the 'kafirs' to study us and then take the necessary steps for them to destroy islam which they'll never succeed. they want to slowly poison us by adding their ideological beleives into islam which will never be accepted. the so-called democracy is only an illusion. what they (kafirs) have is that 'THE MAJORITY RULE THE MINORITY'. and the views of the minority is not look at or taken seriosly. ISLAM is not just political it is a way of life. it effects on how you think, respond to people, communicate, family life, social life, etc. THE ONLY WAY TO RULE IS THE ISLAMIC SHARIA WHICH IS DEVINE AND ALL MUSLIMS MUST TAKE ALL THE SHARIA NOT JUST BITS YOU LIKE AND LEAVING THE REST. ISLAM PROTECTS THE VIEWS OF ALL PEOPLE AND KEEPS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. ALLAH HAS ORDERED THAT THE ONLY TO RULE IS BY ISLAM. ASALAAMU CALAYKUM
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| | Unrecorded Date I vote for Islam
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