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     | Unrecorded Date Asalaam Alaykum I am devoted muslim for 5 years, I met the love of my life 3 years ago and since then we've married. Everything between my wife and I is fine, she is a 24 year old medical student and I am a 33 year old professor of political science. We're financially stable and very happy allahamdulilah. The problem arises from the hostility my wife and I face from the somali community since I am an African American and she's Somali. My wife tells me her culture is a very proud culture and marrying outside of the culture is frownded upon. That I can understand. However a somali brother told me I am considered inferior because I am black and it would have been easier for somalis to accept me had I been white rather than a negro. That is just beyond me, I can't understand it. When I confronted my wife she broke down and told me yes, indeed, it was true and we would have been accepted more readily among her people had I been white or arab. Personaly, it's is Allah acceptance I seek I could care less about what John Doe over there thinks of me. Unfortunatly my wife takes this matter to heart I can see the pain it's causing her. She is a wonderful person and she doesn't deserve people gossiping about her and our marraige. She is not turning her back on her culture, she still wears the traditional clothing and cooks somali food all the time. Infact she would like to go back to her country one day and open a clinic there. She is incredibly beautiful both inside and out, she's honest and just cares about everyone. She would save the world if she could. It is very difficult for inter-racial couples like us in this world. I understand the racial problems in the somali community is deeply rooted yet at the same time I have confidence that a MUSLIM can over come any weakness he may have with the guidence of Allah. I pray there will come a day,InshAllah, when racism among muslims is wipped out completely and we all live in harmony togather as brothers and sisters in Islam. wa salaam alykum
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| | Unrecorded Date AssalamU alaikum, My brother Abul Mutakabir, I understand your frustrations. What people fail to see is that being a muslim is to be able to look beyond colour in your fellow brother/sister. Racism exists in every culture, unfortunately, muslim cultures as well. Islam is the solution to all the social problems in this world. I pray for the eradication of prejudice and racism from the muslims's heart. I also pray for my people! W'salaam
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum! Abdul Mutakabir, Blessed is the God who opened your heart to Islam; and congratulations(even 5yrs late!) :) As for the trouble, I don't see any trouble in this, Brother. Many Somali people are people who claim to be Muslims, but are not really all that Muslims. They themselves ARE black...while they look down upon others for being Black! But, brother, there are MILLIONS of Somalis who don't care anything but Islam and what it teaches! I'm one of those---who don't give a heck what culture says...over MY religion! I ask you, in the NAME of God and Islam, to ignore those who don't see anything beyond their ignorant minds...and just treat them as you would treat any lost people. AND, please, advise your wife that there ARE many among us who will NOT change or will not have the light of God in their hearts. We should NOT give them the time of the day...let alone any of our emotions. They don't deserve it. Anybody who thinks a Muslim is a less muslim(by color) is EVIL! It is NOT of God! God loves those who believe, regardless of their color. In the same way, God does not love the unbelievers, regardless of their color. When somebody believes this; racism is gone out of the window. Colors of this world for people are like a flower in the universe. It is beautiful, no matter what color, because it is part of the flower. I do not have any racism against anybody...may it be Muslim(whom I love for brotherism)...or non-Muslim(who is just another unbeliever!) Peace and love to you and your wife, Brother! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalamu Aleikum Abdul Mutakabir, Ramadan Karim! Praise is to Allah, the Lord of this universe, who showed you the light and the only right path. Brother, racism exists in everywhere and every culture even among somalis. As brother Shanaaz has told above here, the only solution is ISLAM. Pure Islam can play a tremendous role to worlds unresolved social and racial problems. Allah (swt) told us in the Koran, that we are all same creauture, regardless of racially and ethnicly, but He, Allah loves most and cares of those who devoted for his Deen, (al-mu'maneen). As regards those of somali community you mentioned above, may Allah give them the right guidance and learn them the BEAUTY of their Deen, ISLAM. You know, this reminds me brother Malcolm X (Abd Al-shabaaz)'s attitude towards other races before Allah opened his eyes and heart and make him a good muslim (a real mumin). Brother, you and your wife, be strong in your faith and have confidence that the muslim ummah can overcome any weakness the Ummah may have, with the guidence of Allah and that they'll live in harmony togather as brothers and sisters in Islam. As regards your wife, she must be happy and proud of her marriage with a muslim brother. How many of her fellow somali sisters who blindly meried unbelievers are there. I'm happy for her. Oh, the culture, what culture? those based on shirk and unislamic? Yes, that is the illness, we muslim Ummah suffering today. So honestly, your wife got to turn her back on her culture, if it's based on unislamic and against her Deen. I pray for you and your wife good health and high islamic spirits!. with kindest regards Wa salaam Ansaari your brother of Islam
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| | Unrecorded Date i was married to an african american sister. we are divorced now. she has a son for me. when we got married, somalis said to me: why would i want to marry a BIDE(a nigger in Somali language)? Somalis used to say(not in fort of me): he is the guy who married BIDE. now, my son looks like his mother and when i take him to the masjid where the somalis attend and when they see my son they look him differently, like he is not a somali. one time, i was told that at least if i were marrying an american, i could have married a white lady(they believe that whites have culture, but blacks do not). brother what you and your wife are experiencing is not a racism. you are black and somalis are black too. it is just an ignorant coming from people who have been messed up. i mean somalis discriminate themselves. example: just read the thread under the title of "midgaan looking for another midgaan" on .@www.somalinet.com/forums/general .
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| | Unrecorded Date Abdul Mutakabir. Assalaamu caleykum brother. Your being muslim is very dear to us. I think once african americans/whites become muslim they expect other muslims to be perfect which is wrong. Many muslims have a lot of shortcomings so brother don't worry about the bad ones you should stick to the good ones. I hope you and your wife will have a good life together inshallah. Tell your wife not worry about the ignorance of her somalian brothers/sisters they will overcome inshallah. Also say to her ASSALAAMU CALEYKUM for me and let her know that she can find a strong support from many good somalians. We are not all the same.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalamu alaikum, Dear ansaari , I have to correct you. I'm not a brother, but a SISTER. That is all. Ramadan Kareem Y'all. W'salaam.
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaam Shanaaz! I beg your pardon, sister!. W'salaam.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ansaari, you addressed her and called her brother and she corrected you nicely after salaam and wished for you and every online Ramadan Kareem. Your words: "As brother Shanaaz has told above here" Is Shanaaz a female name to you, Ansaari?
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| | Unrecorded Date Abdul Mutakabir, brother you should stay with your own kind, God created all the people in this world to be different(black white chinese somali or arabs) God wants us to be different and we shouldn't change that way, we shouldn't create new race. whether you are a muslim or black or white it doesn't matter, you should stick with your own people. I feel sorry for your wife first 1; Somali people will always think of her as bad person who betrayed her own people 2; somali people will never accept her children as true somalis 3; it is normal to see in America a black man who fathered 10 kids with ten different women, as history tells us black man in American is always in the move looking new woman in his life while leaving behind his children and their mother. 4;Mutakabir in the future your somali wife may well be one of the ten so no somali man will ever want her as a wife after you divorce her..... BROTHER there is no hope for this one(your wife) but i hope your next target will not be another innocent somali girl...i hope you will stay away from us and with your own kind( African american) thnx Asalamu Aleikum
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| | Unrecorded Date is mahd a muslim? bilal, the black man, married an arab lady i the prophet's time. did Allah and His prophet disapprove the marriage between bilal and the arab lady? i mean is a mahad a muslim, again, i mean is mahad a muslim, or an imposter trying to damage islam by saying Allah created all people in this world to be different so they only marry themselves? mahad's prejudices does not bother me that much as his lying about islam and Allah.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalam Alaykum Thank you all for your overwhelming support and the generouse donations of your kindness. A muslim brother said to me once "Once you submitt your self to the will of ALLAH(swt) your heart will be filled with so much love you'll forget to hate." I love all muslims for they are the only people in this world who see the light. Once again my god bless you all. For Mahad Yes there are some black men with 10 or 20 children all from different women but then again I have seen Somali men who abondoned their wives and children because they figure why support your family when the state does it for you? The sad part is those black men are not muslims while the somali ones are, or at least claim to be. Then there is also the other issue, the issue of people like you, people who hide behine the religion while fighting a war against other muslims I believe the correct term would be Munafiqyn. My brother I have no intentions of ever divorcing my wife! It's going to take nothing short of death to do us apart. As for your notion that no man will ever want her again.....well let's just say you haven't seen my wife.
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| | Unrecorded Date Abdul Mutakabir I don't need to see your wife as she is acted against the will of our somali people, to me she is a foreigner sharmuuto and a bad person. Every somali knows that the only brain your wife has is not in her head but between her leggs. you can't have an Arab girl or Pakistani girl even though they are muslims, why should u have a somali girl unless she is mentally sick........ BROTHER stay away from us and be with your own kind. good luck brother. W'asalamu Aleikum
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| | Unrecorded Date Mahad Fear your Allah man!. If there is a person whithout brain here, it should be you. So STOP affending people. It's people like you who give Islam and somalis a bad reputation. To Ansaari---*male* What is the point, brother? The person told here that she is a sister.
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| | Unrecorded Date Abdul-Mutakabir. Brother, MAHAD is the kind of people you wanna avoid. He will give you some of his VIRUS if you even try to talk to him in a conciliatory manner which he does not deserve. He is a DONKEY. Brother, may be he does not know that somali girls DON'T NEED HIS PERMISSION to get married to anybody they wish. It is ISLAM that which dictates whom to marry and whom to avoid.
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| | Unrecorded Date How STUPID you are, Mahad!. Shame on you.
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| | Unrecorded Date To Abdul-Mutakabir; I wish all Somali women had husbands just like you. A caring, loving, providing, real-muslim man! I am a somali woman and am disgusted by reading Mahad's response to you. I believe that those who oppose your marriage are ignorant! Believe me, they would oppose the marriage between any two people- be it white american and a somali, black american and somali, chinese and somali- any two people from differing cultures. Ignore them. They are not worthy of your anger. Also, help your wife overcome her feelings of anguish- as her family opposes her. She is young- only 24- I think once she reaches 30 she will probably realize how blessed she is! Let me wish you and wife the best of happiness and a successful union, blessed with many children!
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| | Unrecorded Date and when the "The person told here that she is a sister", you said to her "I beg your pardon, sister!", like you did not get what she was trying to point out to you.!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ansaari*male* brother, I beg your pardon sometimes means forgive me if I am not wrong.
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| | Unrecorded Date You are right, Bashir. I thought the exclamation mark (!) from Ansari meant that he didn't know what the lady was talking about when he responded "I beg your pardon, sister!". It seemed to me like he was questioning her. You know, sometimes, when you don't hear what someone is saying to you, you kindly say to him or her: "I beg your pardon" or just "pardon me". Well, it's all good, as the brothers say. :-) However, about the topic of discussion and what the Mahad guy said, most of you except one guy, the ayub guy is rightly angry for the right reasons. Everyone of you are mad at Mahad because of his ignorant comments about the couple, but you are not mad at him because of what he said about Allah and the lie he forged against Him.
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| | Unrecorded Date As Ayub suspected, I too am suspct of the Mahad, guy. Just because he writes on her and that he said the bad word in Somali "sharmuuto" does not mean that he is a Somali or even a Muslim. Look the why Mahad writes the salaam------Asalamu Aleikum He could be an imposter trying to damage islam and the already's Somalis reputation. Does this Mahad guy look like a fasting Muslim to you? Look at the time he wrote his last comment and used the bad word!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ansaari*male* You mixing things here, Brother!. My point was to say her Sorry. Is that clear for you now, teacher!? And cann't you find another user-name than that?
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| | Unrecorded Date I hear you, my brother/sister. Oh! about the user-name. Do you know an ansaari could be a male or female....Well, I think you did get my drift now, didn't you.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamun Alaa man Itaba'al-hudaa To: Abdul Mutakabir The problem that you mention does not only happen to you nor does it happen to those who have same color skin with you but it is almost in evey culture & country where people judge others by nationality and wealth. There are hundreds of people that have similar problem wheather they are Arabs, or Non-Arabs. I know a Somali SHIEKH that's married to a good African-American Muslimah and some people disliked him for the fact that he's married outside of the culture. I have seen somali men that married to KENYAN, TANZANIAN, SAUDIAN women and yet people made dragatory commets about their marriga. It's not the people acceptance that we seek but instead we desperately are diying for the acceptance of Allah. I urge you not be so close to those MUNAFIQEEN (weaken hearted) and to be proud of your color, culture, & religion. In my opinion, when we define culture, we ought to defind it by refering to religion. Muslims have the same culture and tradition because it's clear that we only like for Allah, hate for Allah, unite for Allah, divide for Allah and fight for Allha. [But the diverse cultures/traditions brings differnt rituals and that should be dealt according to the law of Allah.] If that's all true, how could we say "He's from here, you're from there, do it they way you wanted and I do it the way I wanted." This is where it gets confused and out of control. We are all from one person, one place and have one custom. We are all from Adam, and our custom is ISLAM and our only true enemy is SHAYTAAN. To: My respected bro/sis in Islam This have been going on since we SOMALIS existed so we should be willing to leave the harsh habit and break the ice. It's no boby's but our responsibility to stop this kind of racism that we're known for. I (for the sake of Allah) will try to have victory over my soul/SHAYTAN and marry outside of my race(if I find the right Muslimah no matter her origin as long as she's Muslim) I wish to be the pioneer of this one and wish to have the rest of my fellow Somalis' support so that I will break the barrier. I should say marry outside of my race. For Mahad; You are speaking like the ignorant and we should say just SALAAM to you as we are ordered. Do you not know ZAYD BIN HARITH, the servent of the prophet. Do you not know the story of his marriage and the verses that was revealed to the prophet and its purposes. Let me point one thing. Islam has cured every thing. Zayd Bin Harith was the servent of the prophet, son of the prophet/lover of the prophet as other may refer him and the prophet have adopted him. Zayd married Zaynab Binti Jahsh and divorced her. After a while, quranic versed were releved saying Mohamed should marry Zaynab Bint Jahsh, the women which the child he adopted have divored. The prophet Mohamed (scw) was married to Zaynab, ex-wife of Zayd by Allah. Allah has ordered his messenger to marry the ex-wife of his adopted-child and indeed the prophet married Zaynab. In case you don't know, this was that QURAYSH, the tribe of the prophet, believed that a prophet/king/leader/judge may not be suitable to marry ex-wife of his servent/adopted-child. And Allah set up a good example for his slaves by commanding the messenger to break the custom and start the new culuture that is based on Islam so that people will take example from it. Islam have destroyed such beliefs and traditions and we should be willing to do everything according to the quran and the sunnah.
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Cawil, it was great to read the story about the prophet and Zayd. i came across Allah is no respector of Color, so he only looks at our hearts and our piety. Let's "try very hard to shake all our brothers and sisters out of that colonial influence or jahyillia influence that they may have regarding color. It is a great impediment to the Islam. Prophet Mohammad(saw) is the best example. His adopted son way Zayd, an African. Zayd was captured in a Village raid and sold as a boy into slavery. This was before Islam. He was bought by Khadijah(RA) the wealthy wife of of the Prophet. Prophet Mohammad(saw) gave him his freedom very quickly. when Islam came, his parents became Muslims finally found their son with Khadijah(RA). His parents have grieved his loss for many years and never stopped looking for him. Prophet Mohammad(saw) gave Zayd the choice and free decision of whom he wanted to live with. But he loved the Prophet so much and the Prophet loved him so much, he decided to stay. (un-like today where an adopted child is cut off from all genetic and emotional ties to his real parents.) Children have "REAL" rights under Islam. Years went by and Prophet Mohammad(saw) , seeing Zayd's great Military and leadership qualities; placed Zayd (may Allah be pleased with him) in Command of the Muslim Army. Years after that he also placed Zayd's 17 year old son, as commander of the Muslim Army. Some of the Muslims complained, but Prophet Mohammad response to them was that "you also complained to me of his father before him" . It is clear that the Prophet(saw) did not buy into any of the skin color issues, but saw everyone according to their merit. He didnt like discrimination amongst the Muslims and tell them that they are not rid of Jihillya. Allah also later commanded Prophet Mohammad(saw) to marry the divorced wife of Zayd. If you read you will find the Prophet hardpressed with this decision because this was not only the former wife of his adopted son, but also the former wife of a former slave who is also black. This dispelled and attacked all kinds of Jiyhillia myths and practices and taboos. 1. Islam tells us to call a son by his real fathers name. You cannot genetically cut off a child from his parents and bloodline, even if you foster or adopt him. Allah wanted to show that your adopted son is still NOT your son. 2. The notion of looking down and considering a black person as less than. 3. Also the divorce issue, of marrying a divorced woman. The wife of Zayd used to come to Prophet Mohammad and complain to him about the irreconcillable difficulties she was having in her marriage. But he was reluctant to tell her to divorce, He knew how the people would react. It would be crushing so many taboos. Him telling her to divorce, and Him marrying the wife of his adopted son, and not to mention him marrying the divorced wife of an x- slave who is black? How would the people look at that But Allah already told him to marry this sister. In his heart he knew what he had to do. It almost seems that one was wasting Their time bringing bad news to Prophet Mohammad about blacks, often times he would just say leave them alone. One time Aishah(RA) attended one of their weddings. When she returned the Prophet(saw) ask her why didn't you take some music, you know that they like music. Another instance in the Hadiths, it was reported that there was a black woman who used to take care of the Mosque, cleaning, etc. When she died the people didn't even bother to tell the Prophet. When Prophet Mohammad(saw) inquired about her, they told him , "Oh she died". The Prophet went to make funeral prayers for her. Allah gave all of us many gifts. We are gifted in many, many ways. There are the good qualities,gifts and talents of the light skinned brothers and good qualities, gifts and talents of the black brothers. When we separate ourselves , us Muslims, we give ourselves a great disadvantage, leaving us weak to the enemies of Islam." Muslims cannot afford the Kafr luxury of Racism.
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Cawil, it was great to read the story about the prophet and Zayd. i came across this writing about race relationship in Islam. "Allah is no respector of Color, so he only looks at our hearts and our piety. Let's try very hard to shake all our brothers and sisters out of that colonial influence or jahyillia influence that they may have regarding color. It is a great impediment to the Islam. Prophet Mohammad(saw) is the best example. His adopted son way Zayd, an African. Zayd was captured in a Village raid and sold as a boy into slavery. This was before Islam. He was bought by Khadijah(RA) the wealthy wife of of the Prophet. Prophet Mohammad(saw) gave him his freedom very quickly. when Islam came, his parents became Muslims finally found their son with Khadijah(RA). His parents have grieved his loss for many years and never stopped looking for him. Prophet Mohammad(saw) gave Zayd the choice and free decision of whom he wanted to live with. But he loved the Prophet so much and the Prophet loved him so much, he decided to stay. (un-like today where an adopted child is cut off from all genetic and emotional ties to his real parents.) Children have "REAL" rights under Islam. Years went by and Prophet Mohammad(saw) , seeing Zayd's great Military and leadership qualities; placed Zayd (may Allah be pleased with him) in Command of the Muslim Army. Years after that he also placed Zayd's 17 year old son, as commander of the Muslim Army. Some of the Muslims complained, but Prophet Mohammad response to them was that "you also complained to me of his father before him" . It is clear that the Prophet(saw) did not buy into any of the skin color issues, but saw everyone according to their merit. He didnt like discrimination amongst the Muslims and tell them that they are not rid of Jihillya. Allah also later commanded Prophet Mohammad(saw) to marry the divorced wife of Zayd. If you read you will find the Prophet hardpressed with this decision because this was not only the former wife of his adopted son, but also the former wife of a former slave who is also black. This dispelled and attacked all kinds of Jiyhillia myths and practices and taboos. 1. Islam tells us to call a son by his real fathers name. You cannot genetically cut off a child from his parents and bloodline, even if you foster or adopt him. Allah wanted to show that your adopted son is still NOT your son. 2. The notion of looking down and considering a black person as less than. 3. Also the divorce issue, of marrying a divorced woman. The wife of Zayd used to come to Prophet Mohammad and complain to him about the irreconcillable difficulties she was having in her marriage. But he was reluctant to tell her to divorce, He knew how the people would react. It would be crushing so many taboos. Him telling her to divorce, and Him marrying the wife of his adopted son, and not to mention him marrying the divorced wife of an x- slave who is black? How would the people look at that But Allah already told him to marry this sister. In his heart he knew what he had to do. It almost seems that one was wasting Their time bringing bad news to Prophet Mohammad about blacks, often times he would just say leave them alone. One time Aishah(RA) attended one of their weddings. When she returned the Prophet(saw) ask her why didn't you take some music, you know that they like music. Another instance in the Hadiths, it was reported that there was a black woman who used to take care of the Mosque, cleaning, etc. When she died the people didn't even bother to tell the Prophet. When Prophet Mohammad(saw) inquired about her, they told him , "Oh she died". The Prophet went to make funeral prayers for her. Allah gave all of us many gifts. We are gifted in many, many ways. There are the good qualities,gifts and talents of the light skinned brothers and good qualities, gifts and talents of the black brothers. When we separate ourselves , us Muslims, we give ourselves a great disadvantage, leaving us weak to the enemies of Islam." Muslims cannot afford the Kafr luxury of Racism.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalaam Alaykum Brother Cawil good luck with your mission may Allah guide you through the way. As for the rest of you brothers and sisters thank you for a well thought out discussion, I appreciate you taking the time to participate. Wa salaam alaykum your brother in Islam Abdul Mutakabir
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| | Unrecorded Date It's not about racism,please don't mix up things.i think it's very shameful for as somalis to marry out side our nation,it's totally unecceptable.If any member of my family where to marry non somali (be they be white or black)that would be the last day i'd even like to be the same room as them,they are treators to bring other people's blood and children to our pure nation.Just the thought of having son or daughter of a foreinger calling you uncle or untie......yuuuuukkkkkk!!!!! Eebeheehii weynaa ma noo kaso cadaan,madoow ambo carab ha ahaadee dad aa la aqoon ma rabno,muslin iyo gaal waxaas sheegtaan ma ku xirno,marbo hadiin soomaali eheen dhiigooda iyo abkooda aa la kaseen maxaa nookeeni?.....hadaa dadkaanya xabad ku dhamaadeen wax aa dhalad eheen boos ma u heeno. Abdul mutakabir,if ur wife was such a wonderful person why did she go for non somali man??huuuh.....She's either brain washed or a whore and beliave me i'm not attacking her becouse she married Black american,same rule applies to all non somalis.It doesn't cross the mind of a honest somali girl to DATE let alone marrying a foreiner.Hadii la soo qixi dastuurkii ma laga soo qaxaybo.Yaab!
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| | Unrecorded Date It's not about racism,please don't mix up things.i think it's very shameful for as somalis to marry out side our nation,it's totally unecceptable.If any member of my family where to marry non somali (be they be white or black)that would be the last day i'd even like to be the same room as them,they are treators to bring other people's blood and children to our pure nation.Just the thought of having son or daughter of a foreinger calling you uncle or untie......yuuuuukkkkkk!!!!! Eebeheehii weynaa ma noo kaso cadaan,madoow ambo carab ha ahaadee dad aa la aqoon ma rabno,muslin iyo gaal waxaas sheegtaan ma ku xirno,marbo hadiin soomaali eheen dhiigooda iyo abkooda aa la kaseen maxaa nookeeni?.....hadaa dadkaanya xabad ku dhamaadeen wax aa dhalad eheen boos ma u heeno. Abdul mutakabir,if ur wife was such a wonderful person why did she go for non somali man??huuuh.....She's either brain washed or a whore and beliave me i'm not attacking her becouse she married Black american,same rule applies to all non somalis.It doesn't cross the mind of a honest somali girl to DATE let alone marrying a foreiner.Hadii la soo qixi dastuurkii ma laga soo qaxaybo.Yaab!
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| | Unrecorded Date It's not about racism,please don't mix up things.i think it's very shameful for as somalis to marry out side our nation,it's totally unecceptable.If any member of my family where to marry non somali (be they be white or black)that would be the last day i'd even like to be the same room as them,they are treators to bring other people's blood and children to our pure nation.Just the thought of having son or daughter of a foreinger calling you uncle or untie......yuuuuukkkkkk!!!!! Eebeheehii weynaa ma noo kaso cadaan,madoow ambo carab ha ahaadee dad aa la aqoon ma rabno,muslin iyo gaal waxaas sheegtaan ma ku xirno,marbo hadiin soomaali eheen dhiigooda iyo abkooda aa la kaseen maxaa nookeeni?.....hadaa dadkaanya xabad ku dhamaadeen wax aa dhalad eheen boos ma u heeno. Abdul mutakabir,if ur wife was such a wonderful person why did she go for non somali man??huuuh.....She's either brain washed or a whore and beliave me i'm not attacking her becouse she married Black american,same rule applies to all non somalis.It doesn't cross the mind of a honest somali girl to DATE let alone marrying a foreiner.Hadii la soo qixi dastuurkii ma laga soo qaxaybo.Yaab!
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| | Unrecorded Date a salaam aleikum dear people how are you all doing..reading that muslim brother of african decents message saddened me..casue it is indicitive of foolish somali popluar culture.I mean if you inherited a ailement you would curse it, so why not this diease of ignorance?.For all somalis really...! question your sometimes inappropratie culture..and don't be too proud..i mean what have we really got to be proud of? i really acn't see nuthin..if you gonna take pride take it in something u have achived.Also i would like to take the time to point out that all though this ignorance is not fopund only in somali'showver it looks most silly amongst somlais's i mena looki in teh mirror..we are black.I mena that is a simple fact..one that i love and really is of no consequence rather tahn of the fact that i think that particular skin colour happens to look mightly fine.On other issuse..i would like to point out that african americans are often far more skilled in their historyt and african heritage than somali's are...i mena its like a cirle you see young somali punks tryna be like the sterotypical afriacn ameriacn and young african ameriacns tryna instill some heritage and civilasation in tehire lives...which one would u choose..ps i have also recntly been to somalia ..and yep young somali punks there are tryna fake the funk there. i hope this marriage is the bomb and is blessed by Allah peace
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| | Unrecorded Date To: Abdul Mutakabir I've never experienced what you and your wife are experiencing...but don't let ignorant pple get in the way. As far as your name goes, I won't say that u're not who u claim to be, You can be anyone for all i know...somali or non-somali, but why such a name? Why mutakabir? Did you run out of names or something? PEACE
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| | Unrecorded Date asalaamu Alaykum! Abdul Mutakabir. My dear MUSLIM brother! we as the Majority of Somali PPL are with you and your beautiful wife. we appriciate the inter-marriege between Somalis and African-American Muslims. i would like to remind you that there are sick people in every culture but alhamdulilah for those who understand Islam and it's real meaning are those who are welcoming you whole heartedly as a Muslim brother and as a brother-inlow. Brother Abdul Mutakabir, i would also like to let you know that Some of the people who said negative comment are not Somalians like many others doubted i should agree there are some non muslim ppl who are trying to offend our new muslim brothers/sisters. It is not Race problem becouse we Somalian are also Black, it is not religion because we also believe the Almight Allah, but it is ignorance, and i should tell you that Many somalians would prefer you to be their son-inlow rather than me! how come? you must be surprised huh! the reason is that because of my Somali tribe of Midgan which is not any different than any other Somali tribe. i look like every other Somali, I am a Muslim brother, i am black man, yet when i married a Somali Muslim girl all her relatives didnt accept me as their son- inlow. what a taboo to mary a Midgaan/Tumal/Jareer/Shaanshi/Yaxar/Yibir/Tuni/Reer-Shabeele/ Somali Man/woman AND many other somali tribes! WE ARE ASHAMED TO HAVE THIS OLD USELESS CULTURES BROTHER. We understand your pain but be strong like any other Somali who feels the some problems. Brother i am sure that it is not a personal haterate, i am sure that it is not even racail haterete but it is merely STUPIDITY and IGNORACE. we pray that all Somalis will see the light of Islam complety very soon. Most of pple welcomes inter marriege among muslim communities. but there are few ignorant folks! let us aducate them together and show them the right path of ALLAH INSHAA ALAAH! MAY ALLAH BLESS ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE GOOD MUSLIM HEARTS. CADE
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaamilo15. Mutakabir is better than any name you would think of. It is one of god's names. The fact that you don't consider yourself a muslim, does not give you a license to downplay islamic names. I am refering to one of your messages you left in another discussion"can I be nonmuslim and somali" in which you said "I and my sister consider ourselves nonmuslims". Well, I tell you Mutakabir IS ONE OF GOD'S NAMES and you should leave it alone.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mutakabir's name is better than "Xaamilo15" name. salaam
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| | Unrecorded Date Ninkaan inaas loo sheego waaye inaas naagtiisa dhilo aas tahay:Maskaxdeed hadiin wax xun ku jirin see u niyeesan kartaa nin aa dadkeeda eheen????....Dhilo af-gaduud amse maskiintoo la sirti waaye. Cade, Midgaan iyo gob inaas isku xoqaan abkaanya iyo abuulankeen aa diidi,dhaqankaanya,dhaqan xun ma ehe:Midgaanka,midgaanimo ma loo xumeeyo.Weligeedne ma jiri doonto in ogol laga noqdo inaas midgaanka iyo dadka kale si guur ahaan isku galaan! Hal walax aa walaalkeey kaa qaldami,shaanshiyo dad dhalad eh waaye,midgaamo dadkaa ma ka tirsano
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| | Unrecorded Date TO:AQYAAR Is your name Mutakabir? Didn't think so, next time, keep your noise out of other pple's comments. I can come up with plenty of names better than mutakabir and as far your name is concerned...lol@aqyaar...meanin' an idiot. I can be a jew for all i know and i can still make remarks bout other pple's names..now i know u ain't gonna do sh*t bout that, so keep ya dick out of your ass. (for your own good boy). ~~~GhOsTeD~~~ PS: NO ONE CAN TELL ME WHAT TO SAY OR HOW TO SAY IT OR WHOM TO SAY IT TO....NOT U AND DEFINETELY YA MOMZ.....PEACE
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaamilo15. blah blah blah blah blag.
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| | Unrecorded Date TO HALIIMO FROM ALI Haliimo before you write somethink think if you are somali if not your are anemy of Islam. So prepare for the hel fire.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum to all Dear brother Abdul Mutakabir Masha allah for having such a wonderful wife. Don't pay any attention for what people say. Cause every where you go there is Shaidan. For me if I want to marry somebody all I look is the religion. Not only if he claims to be Islam but how he practises. I am sure sure so many people are just claiming to be Islam but may Allah guid them. One time I said to my sister i'll my any race as long as they're good Muslim and I remeber the long on her face. She was shocked. Some Somalis people are known to judge people with their clans. That's what ruing our homeland the lack of faith. I ask allah to clean our heart from any darkness within us.
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| | Unrecorded Date abul mutakabir, In the name of God most merciful and most beneficent, dear bro, I would like to advise you to ignore the act of evil because racism,discrimination are the work of satan therefore, god said to us that he created us different society,race and tribes in order to understand each other not other ways as I mention above. so take care your beautifull wife and the future of your children a be patient beacouse god loves to those who has a patient and one day you wife should overcome this ignorance based situation. Bro, somali people are not the same like other people but all these race problems started the compination of our ancestors who were ellitirate and colonization from the west who legitimize the race in somalia as they tried to achieve their barberic interest. Bro by the time somalis fled their country, and arrive north america, cnn,cbs,nbc,cbc and other bunch of jew media trash poisoned our community because every negative appearance in the tv,radio and internet are commited an african american so before the civil war, somalis are never know african americans and never heard about the race situation in north america so if they watch these negative things, of course they might get a bad perception. on the other hand plzz bro keep in mind that religion,tradition are the primery factor to somali society.
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| | Unrecorded Date FIRST OF ALL I WANNA SAY THAT BEING MUSLIM IS NOT ABOUT COLOUR OR WHAT YOUR RACE IS IT IS THE DEVOTION YOU HAVE TO GIVE TO YOUR RELIGION AND SELF. SO ALL THESE PEOPLE JUST TALKING ABOUT BULLSHIT IT IS BULLSHIT BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND BELIEVE IN ALLAH. SALAMUCALAYKUM. IKRAM
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| | Unrecorded Date Hello to all those who are reading this message. I apologize for the fact that I am leaving this message in an area of the forums that is of a different subject matter than my message. But I really need this message to be read by some Somali people. Before I begin my message, please keep in mind that if you wish to respond to me about my message, you will have to e-mail me, because most likely, I will NOT return to see what messages are posted in this forums in response to what you are about to read. I am not Somali, but I am learning the Somali language. It is TRULY a beautiful language as I hear it spoken. I live in U.S.A.. There are Somalis around me, and some of them are even my friends. As I study the Somali language, I am coming across a number of hurdles, some of which I cannot overcome without the help of others. I have some Somali-English dictionaries, but that is not enough. For that reason I am humbly requesting that if there is any person who is willing to help me in my efforts, could you please e-mail me. I would only need to send you one e-mail about every 3 weeks (or even less often than that). My questions would be in the e-mail. The time it would take you to answer the questions in each e-mail would be 10 minutes or less. I know that I am not supposed to advertise in this forums. But I'm not actually trying to sell anything, and I hope that my message does not fall into an unacceptable category with regard to what is allowed in this forums. If this is the case, then I do apologize. But in all honesty, I am just sincerely trying to learn your language, and I need some help. In the past, when I have tried to ask some other Somali people for help, I have found more or less the same questions to be asked to me. So, I will state these facts now, since I imagine that some of you may be hesitant to help unless you knew this information: -=-=-=-=-=- The reason I'm learning Somali is for multiple reasons: (1) I have some Somali friends, and would like to be able to talk with them also in their language (2) I'm an open-minded person with regard to other cultures, and I try not to be single-minded, and I think it's good to know about others. (3) I see Somali people where I work, and some of them are even my friends-- and I would like to be able to communicate in their language with them. (4) I enjoy studying foreign languages in general. (5) I think it is a very beautiful language. -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- About myself: I'm male, student and working, and I live in U.S.A -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- Some of the Somali people that I have asked for help in the past have said, "why don't you ask for help from the Somali people that you see in your city?" The reason why that is not practical is because of the time issue. I am trying to get more that 1 helper. Why? Because through my asking certain Somalis my various questions in the past, I have noticed that certain words are not recognized by certain individuals. Often, I get the response, "There are different dialects, depending on whether you are from the North of Somalia, the South of Somalia, etc.". Or, “We don’t use that word, I’m from the North, etc.”. Then, if I ask a different person who is from a different region, he / she would often times end up knowing the word. I have seen that certain words I would ask a person, he / she might know what it means, but another person would not have ever heard of the particular Somali word (and visa-a-versa ). The questions I ask Somali people are stemming from my readings in the Somali language, AND THESE BOOKS ARE DIFFERENT BOOKS WHICH ARE WRITTEN BY AUTHORS WHO ARE FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AND WHO HAVE DIFFERENT DIALECTS (people, some of which may be from the North, or some of which might be from the south). I need to have helpers from different places in Somalia. That is why I need more than 1 helper. So for this reason, I am in essence trying to get more than one helper in order to get that needed variety of dialects in order to get the answers to my various questions. Please forgive me if I have said anything wrong or incorrect about that, but this is my experience to this point, and this is what some Somali people around me have explained to me so far. So my basic idea is to be able to send my e-mail questions to more than 1 person (to a couple of people who are from different places in Somalia). That way, I can be sure to get the answer (that only a person from the North might be aware of, or only an answer that a person from the South might be aware of). That is why it is not practical to ask people in person in my city because it takes too much time running around trying to get different responses from different people with different dialects if the first person I ask does not know the answer perhaps due to the fact that this person is not from a certain region where a certain word is not even used (and this word just happens to be the word that I'm asking for the meaning of). -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- "Why don't you just go to one of those Somali web sites and get grammar books and stuff?" This is also not enough. I have already bought some English-Somali dictionaries, and I have access to Somali grammar books. But there are some questions that you need to ask others. For example, here is one question that you might receive from me: in a Somali text that I was reading, I saw this sentence, <<Hadda waa nin weyn >> . . I already knew the meanings of the individual words, "Hadda" = "Now / just now" <><> "waa nin" = "he's a man / it's a man" <><> "weyn" = "big". But I'm almost sure, based on the context in which this word appeared that the author was NOT talking about a BIG man, like a giant. I was thinking perhaps "weyn" was being used in the sense "adult" or "older / old man". But I was not sure. This was an example where I really needed a Somali person to let me type out this sentence to him / her in an e-mail (as well as the sentence before and after it), and then to have that helper simply explain the following information: "WEYNcan also mean 'such and such' and that in this sentence where the word WEYN is used, it means 'such and such'." -- Because I don't have the experience of hearing the language spoken in context (because I can't understand Somali spoken fluently yet), I sometimes need the help of a person who has heard these words used in various ways, and who is able to give an easy 3 second answer off the top of his / her head because it's his / her native language, whereas I can not do that. There is another reason why I need more than 1 helper. Because these questions pop up often when I do my readings in Somali. I want more than 1 helper because I DON’T want to burden and overload a small number of helpers with my questions in e-mails every 2 days. That is not polite, and it is inappropriate. So, I’m going to get enough helpers to that I can divide up my questions among various people. That way, my MANY questions are being answered, but each individual is only answering about 1 e-mail every 3 weeks. And each e-mail only takes about 10 minutes or less to answer the questions. After all, if a person is kind enough to offer his / her help, then the least I can do is keep my questions to a limit for that person. -=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=- And the last question that I've gotten a lot of times is, "Hey man, you are Somali, why don't you just admit it! I don't believe you!" No, I am not Somali. I am American. I cannot prove it unless you live in my city and meet me. -=-=-=-=-=- Well, I think that is about it. Once again, I apologize if this message is inappropriate for this area of the forums. If any person is willing to help me, I WOULD VERY MUCH SO appreciate it. Basically, I need a person who speaks both Somali and English fluently, and who is also able to read the Somali language. And by the way, please keep in mind that if you wish to respond to me about my message, you will have to e-mail me, because most likely, I will NOT return to see what messages are posted in this forums in response to what you have just read. My e-mail is as follows… gateway388@hotmail.com
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| | Unrecorded Date subhanallah mahad ohh i'm sorry assalamu alaikum to all, subhanallah again man i'm so surprised, more disappointed but shocked over all...mahad ma goodness brother i've neva thought i'd see this kind of ignorance... you really need some serious help, and i'm serious when i say this you really need a psychological help istaghfurullah allah's help is the only help you need... do yo know slandering believers is a big sin? subhanallah... wait let me ask this were you intoxicated when you posted the message? i've got to wonder man you ain't alright...if you only knew how ignorant you sound... brother you're generalizing when you say that black men are not good husbands...do you know how many somali men are dead beat fathers? do you how many white men are dead beat fathers so this is a that every race faces not only the african american...and how do you know the brother is gonna divorce his wife? how do you know whether or not somali men would wanna marry her or not? and how do you know that she's a sh#$@&*! subhanallah brother you really sicken me...you've gotta really seek knowledge, increase in knowledge can change you narrow-mindedness...pray and we'll try to pray for you... wassalamu alaikum warahmah
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu aleikum To: Muslimah, go girl that's my sis fillah, man u've got hikmah, ask allah to increase it. I couldn't even comment for what i have seen it's just sickening to think of it. don't like to argue coz it ain't good for us. I ask allah to show us the haqq and grant us jannah. PeAce
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| | Unrecorded Date i would just also like to add that by this comments you can see who are the real muslims with knowledge and the once that need islam in there lives. I would like to give my support and let you know you have the support of those who count your muslim sisters and brothers. Peace
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| | Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 07:27 pm I can understand the pain that you must go through regarding your wife. I am in a different situation from you but understand the strong beliefs that Somalians hold. I am a 21 year old blond haired, blued eyed Anglo Saxon who has been dating a Somalian man for 2years. He is Muslim, I am not and understand that if we were to marry I am supposed to change my whole life completly and become a Muslim. That in itself is such a huge thing to ask someone to do. I love my boyfriend with all my heart but dont understand why he cant accept me for who I am and marry me regardless of the fact that I am not Muslim. Apart from that we have never experienced racism from either his family or mine. The fact that someone earlier wrote that we should all stay within our own race is riduculous and totally narrow minded. You fall in love with someone for who they are, not the colour of there skin. The world would be a better place if everyone just realised that skin colour is the outside of a person, it's the inside that really counts!
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 12:51 pm To mahad waanka xumahay inaad sidaan u hadashid waxaa tahay qof aan diin waxka ogayn ee waxaan kuleeyahay isku xishoo willkaan hadugursaday gabar somali ah waxuu xaq uleeyahay waaye waxkaste waxaa ugu muhiimsan qofka diintiisa mansha allaah waa will muslim ah ee joji waxaad kuhadlaysid waxaana kunoqotaa kitaabka qur aanka waxa uu leeyahay hadaan muslim nahay waxay gabdhaheena somaliyeed gursankaraan nin walbo oo muslim ah oo aduunka jinsadkasta halahaadee
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| | Saturday, August 12, 2000 - 05:39 am walaika salam akhi I've read your case and I am really saddened by it. I have to admit that some of my people are drowning into the abyss of ignorance, ignoring Allah(swt) when he said "the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah are the pious." Being your sister in Islam, I can only advise you to be patient. Allah(swt)asks in the holy quran "Do that people think that they would be left alone, just because they say we believe, and not tested, we have surely tested the ones before them, and Allah knows the truthful and the liars." So Abdul Mutakkabir I'd advice you to consider this as a test from Allah and be patient. And I'd also advice you to read the stories of the prophets and the companions because they were subjected to things much greater than what we face from day to day, they're our greatest inspiration. Wabillahi Tawfeeq
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