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     | Unrecorded Date An exclusive Section by Azzam Publications. War against Muslims. Check the latest reliable news from the Front-Line. http://www.qoqaz.net W/salaam
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| | Unrecorded Date Field Commander Shamil Basayev and Field Commander Khattab, together with the operators of the http://www.qoqaz.net -web-sites extend the best greetings to all the Muslims on the advent of the blessed Month of Patience, and ask ALLAH that He makes it a month of conquests and strengthened victory for the Mujahideen in all corners of the Earth. Furthermore, they are requesting from all their brothers that they strive for them in terms of Du’a (supplication), and that they stand with them in all that they are able against their tyrannical enemy. Mujaahidiinka ka dagaalamaya Chechnya waxaay salaan u dirayaan dhamaan walaalaha islaamka meel kasta oo aay joogaan. Waxaayna Alle ka baryayaan bishan Barekeysan ee Rabadaan NASRI (guul) & furasho usoo hoyata mujaahdiinka islaamka meel kasta oo aay arliga ka joogaanba. Waxaa kale oo aay ka codsanayaan muslimiinta in aay u soo duceeyaan, Alle GUUL uga baryaan, si kasta oo aay kula safan karaana kula saftaan ka hortagida codowga Alle.
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| | Unrecorded Date (Qoute from www.qoqaz.net ...... "Thanks and Appraisal The leader of the Mujahideen – may Salaah and Salaam of Allah be upon him – said: “One who does not thank the people, does not thank Allah”. So we thank all the brothers who sent us messages via electronic mail, as their views, advice and their aid had a great influence on our reality and perception, and as we felt that we are not alone in the battlefield – in a time when the world has left us entirely – rather there are our brothers who are striving with us, with their pen, their hearts and their intellects, who are held back for a reason. We ask Allah – All mighty, All Majestic – to gather us with them in the battlefield. Your Commander Brothers Shamil & Khattab".......... unquote.) Walaalayaal aanu u duceeno walaaleheen, Allena u barino in uu siiyo Guul weyn. Inamal-muslimu ikhwah.
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| | Unrecorded Date The Big Question! ---------------- The U.S., Israel, India and other Western countries are secretly helping Russia to pay for this war and outwardly condemning it. The Russian Economy is almost non-existent, the currency has lost value and the country is in debts. How then can Russia maintain an army of over 100,000 troops, with thousands of vehicles, aircraft, food, ammunition, supplies, wages, power and fuel from existing resources? No doubt, yes, they are receiving financial and military help from the U.S. and Israel. Oh, muslims!, be patient. The Victroy is near, Insha'Allah.
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| | Unrecorded Date A Message from the leaders of the Jihad in Chechnya to all the Muslims: " We send a message out to our brothers in the Islamic World from amidst the ruins of the capital, Grozny. We have indeed been shaded by the last ten nights, the blessed nights in which the people become devoted with Du’aa` to the All Mighty of the heavens and the earth, with umility and devotion. We remind them of the ordeal of their brothers in Chechnya, that they do not forget them in their Du’aas, and that they beseech Allah for the victory and control for His slaves, who single Him out in all acts of worship, over the oppressive Russia." check out www.qoqaz.com (arabic) www.qoqaz.net (english) May Allah grant the mujahideens in evrywhere (and especially chechen mujahideens) the victory
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Ramadan Kariim Allow maxaan ooyay oo sidii dhallaan diifka daadshay. Allow maxaan murug iyo muraaro dilaac madaxa hoos u rogtay. Allow maxaan maciin iyo walaal midagtayda ka dayay. Allow maxaan raadshay riyi aan run noqonayn. Allow maxaan gabar asay sida indhaha ka duwday. Allow maxaan hooyo gablantay garabkeeda maray. Allow maxaan iri aaaaaah umul awgii. Allow maxaan sugay sakhi gacan furan. Allow maxaan gacal mooday mid i goonaya. Allow maxaan WAA ISLAAMAAH ciil dibnaha qaniinay. Allow maxaan daawaday hilibkayga oo dugaag cunayo. Allow maxaan durbaan u tumay dumaasha walaashay. Allow ciil iyo calool xumo maxaan cisi mooday. Ilaahayow dunidu ba'anaa. Ilaahayow maxaa Muslimiinta maradii ka rogay? Ilaahayow maxaa ducadooda dib u dhigay? Ilaaahayow maxay xarigaaga isugu xiriirin waayeen. Ilaahayow Bosniya, Kosavo, Kashmiir, Falastiin, Soomaaliya, Eretariya iyo Chechniya maxaa agoon ooyi! Ilaahayow Nasrigaagaan sugaynaaye Noo Naxariiso? Ilaahayow Adaa Ciidankeeda leh Cadawga jabi oo Ilaahayow Guul Xagaaga ah nagu Xooji. Ilaahayow MUSLIMIINTA Ilaahayow MUSLIMIINTA Ilaahayow Nabad Xaggaga ah ayaan u ooman nahay ee na soo qabooji! Haddii aan lahaan lahaa Ilaahayow Laysar iyo Qunbulad baan bartamahooda dhigi lahaa ee Ilaahayow gacan maran maxay goysaa! Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Aamiin....Aamiin. JAzakallah Walaalkiin. A message from mujahadeens in Chechnya to muslims worldwide: My Muslim Brother/Sister: Help from you towards us, would be that you raise your hands towards the heavens on a regular basis and make Du’aa to Allah for us and beseech Him, with the following Du’aa: O Allah! Aid our Mujahideen brothers in Chechnya. O Allah! Unify their rows, and gather them on the word of truth. O Allah! Aim their firing and strengthen their determination, and make their feet firm, and descend upon them tranquillity, and satisfy their hearts and guide them to that which is all good. O Allah! Make for them from Yourself an authority, and aid them with the army from Yourself, for to You belong the armies of the heavens and the earth, O Lord of the Worlds. May Salaah and Salaam be upon the Messenger of Allah and upon all his followers and companions. Check the latest news here: http://www.qoqaz.net/html/chechnyanews.htm
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Calaykum! Alle yaa cizak, Walaalkiin! Taas waxay ahayd mid aad iyo aad u wanaagsan! Ilaahay qayr haku siiyo, Walaal! Alle waa mid Naxariis badan...Naxariis buuna gaar ugu hayaa kuwa asaga iyo Nebiyadiisaba rumeeya! Ilaahay dadka Muslimiinta ah haka dhigo kuwo gacanta is-qabta marka dhib jiro, garabka is-gabta marka wanaag jiro. Kuwo is-jecel oo wax walba dhihi kara; "IQWAANII!" Ansaari, Jaza`akallah! Just remember, God does NOT for-sake the righteous! Ramadan Mubarak wixii Muslimiin ah! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date asalamu calaykum i pray for all our bothers in chechnya that they may with the grace of allah defeat the russian kafirs and in the process unify the wohole islamic ummah
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| | Unrecorded Date From www.qoqaz.net A CALL TO ALL MUSLIMS To the elderly man in his place of prayer .... To the woman in her veiled sanctuary .... To every imam and every worshipper To you do we make this call... The heat of battle is rising and hearts are gaping. The situation is intense and the enemy attacks are unabated and animalistic. Unbelievers across the world are in collusion against us from every side. Aircraft bombard us with the most destructive weapons. Artillery rain rockets upon us. The mountain peaks are covered with snow and ice. These circumstances remind us of the ordeal of our brothers on the the Day of the Factions (the Ahzab), described by Allah in the Holy Quran: "Behold! they came on you from above you and from below you, and behold, the eyes became dim and the hearts gaped up to the throats, and ye imagined various (vain) thoughts about Allah! " Oh Umma of Islam: Is there not one among you whose oath to Allah is fulfilled? Are there not those among you who raise their hands in humble supplication that Allah may accept their prayers? Have you forgotten us even in you Dua? Where are your rigorous supplications (Qunut) in the heart of the night? Indeed, for what purpose hath such a great act of worship been ordained other than for situations such as that which we face today? The Prophet of Allah made Qunut for 70 of his companions who were martyred at the wells of Ma'una. And today thousands of your fellow Muslims are being killed, yet where is your support for us? May Allah have mercy upon you O Sheikh Ibn Baz; Whenever you heard of a calamity befalling the Muslims in any part of the earth you hastened in making Qunut in your prayers and asking Allah to bestow His mercy upon them and to give them victory. We relish the memory of your supplications during our first war against the Russians, may Allah bestow upon you his infinite mercy. Oh Umma of Islam, do not forget us in your Dua and do not desist from supporting us, for victory and relief come only after hardship. The Commanders of the Mujahideen in Chechnya 22 February 2000. (((((())))) Please give one copy of this call to the imam of your Masjid, and post another on the walls of the Masjid.
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| | Unrecorded Date ,,,,Alloow innagaa mushaakil arki weynay,, waa hadda iyo dagaal kale u qoryo qaado,,maxaa dhib inalagu hayaa oo meel waloonu joogno ma dab iyo olol uunbaa inagu kacsan ,,qax,, qiiq ,,abaar,,agoon iyo dagaal aanan kala go' lahayn habayaraatee,,,Eeeboow masaakiintaa u soo naxariiso adaa khaadir ehe,,,,,.. Ansaari horta beryahan in mudaaba netkan kadaato iskumaanan arage warbal horta salaammu caleykum yaa asxaabtii hore ,,,,nin baanse beryahan ka waayay netkaba oo meel walood gasha ka soo cadcaddaan jiray isagoo hadda muranka ,qeylada , bulaanka ka dhacayo iyo xididada cunihiisa ka muuqda aad uun ashqaraarac ka qaadi jidhay oo intaas diinta eebe uun difaci jiroo oo MASKIIN loogu naaneeysi jiray(waa qeybta kaftankee kol kol baan is oran jiray toloow ninkan GEELLII aabahiis baa meesha lagu dhacayaa), Ansaari horta sideedaba dhallinyarada halakan islaam ah wax ku soo qora adigu uun baan kaa xiiseyn jiroo oo waxoogaa kuwan kalee isa soo mutixi jiray waad iilaga yasirneyd iilagana yaraha macquulsaneyd waa haddaan dib ugu noqonno ilaa iyo doodihii aadka u fogaa oo ilaa iyo in muddaba ah socday..........bye neeeefoooowkaniiiiiini
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| | Unrecorded Date ,,,,Alloow innagaa mushaakil arki weynay,, waa hadda iyo dagaal kale u qoryo qaado,,maxaa dhib inalagu hayaa oo meel waloonu joogno ma dab iyo olol uunbaa inagu kacsan ,,qax,, qiiq ,,abaar,,agoon iyo dagaal aanan kala go' lahayn habayaraatee,,,Eeeboow masaakiintaa u soo naxariiso adaa khaadir ehe,,,,,.. Ansaari horta beryahan in mudaaba netkan kadaato iskumaanan arage warbal horta salaammu caleykum yaa asxaabtii hore ,,,,nin baanse beryahan ka waayay netkaba oo meel walood gasha ka soo cadcaddaan jiray isagoo hadda muranka ,qeylada , bulaanka ka dhacayo iyo xididada cunihiisa ka muuqda aad uun ashqaraarac ka qaadi jidhay oo intaas diinta eebe uun difaci jiroo oo MASKIIN loogu naaneeysi jiray(waa qeybta kaftankee kol kol baan is oran jiray toloow ninkan GEELLII aabahiis baa meesha lagu dhacayaa), Ansaari horta sideedaba dhallinyarada halakan islaam ah wax ku soo qora adigu uun baan kaa xiiseyn jiroo oo waxoogaa kuwan kalee isa soo mutixi jiray waad iilaga yasirneyd iilagana yaraha macquulsaneyd waa haddaan dib ugu noqonno ilaa iyo doodihii aadka u fogaa oo ilaa iyo in muddaba ah socday..........bye neeeefoooowkaniiiiiini
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalamu Calaykum Thank you brother(Ansaari) for bringing this Chechn web site to my attention;although I surf the net almost daily I was not aware of it. May ALLAH(SWT) reward you for all the good that you are trying to do. My heart is with the Mujahideen in Chechnya may ALLAH accept our prays and defeat the wrongful Russians and bring victory and joy to our muslim brothers in Chechnya and in the whole world.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalamu alaykum check out www.azzam.com it's also related with jihaad, u will see how our brother are tortured by the saudi government. DUCADa AAN U AQRINKARNO, LI ANNA IT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO TO HELP OUT BROTHERS Walaalayaal: Waxa ugu wayn ee aad ku taageeri kartid Mujaahidiinta waa adigoo gacmaha cirka utaaga si niyada ahna Illahay Kor ahaaye u barya adigoo ducooyinkan akhrinaya: "Illaahayow! Adigaa soo dajiyay Kitaabka Quraanka ah...Adigaa xukuma kuna tasarufa daruuraha iyo wadooyinkay maraan … Adigaa difaaca ciidamada cadawgaaga... Yaa Allaah, Adigay Awood oo dhami kuu sugnaatay, Quwad oo dhamina adigay kuu sugnaatay, Yaa Allaah, difaac cadawgaaga, difaac Ruushka! Illaahayow! Ka kala daadi arimahooda, dhulkana lagoo, xabadkoodana cabsi ka buuxi. Illaahayow! Curyaami oo indhaha aragtidooda ka qaad, kuna salid cudur dhameeya iyo daacuun iyo masiibooyin xun xun. Illaahayow! Kakala firdhi isu imaanshahooda iyo isla jirkoodaba; Kana dhig dhexdooda xaalad aad uxun, shirqoolka ay ladamac sanyihiin Mujaahadiintana iyaga ku afrog - mucjisooyin kaaga iyo awoodaada ka muuji Jabkooda iyo halaagoodana uga dhig cashar kuwa aan qaadan casharka. Illaahayow! Soo da-daji bur-burkooda iyo halaagooda, hantidoodana dhaxalsii Muslimiinta. Illaahayow! Gargaar kaaga sii walaalahayaga Mujaahadiinta ee Jejniya. Illaahayow! Midee oo isku duub, kuna midee adeecida xaqa Illaahayow! Ka dhig shiishka qoryahooda mi sax ah oo aan gafayn meeshii loogu talagalay inay ku dhacdo; adkeena go'aansigooda kana dhig kuwo adkaysta, kuna manayso xasiloonaan iyo deganaasho badni. Illaahayow! Qalbigooda nabad iyo amaan ka buuxi, kuna hagaaji jidka xaqa ah. Illaahayow! Ku manayso awooda junuudaada cirka iyo dhulka Illaahii Dunidoo dhamow! Nabad galyo iyo Naxariisi dushiisa kayeel Nabi Maxamed iyo ehelkiisa iyo asxaabtiisaba.
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| | Unrecorded Date The Chechnyans are about as Muslim as I am Christian. Furthermore, their militias are criminal scumbags as bad or worse thant he worst moryan that pillaged Somalia. Get a grip dudes. Just because there's a bunch of people who claim to be Muslims doesn't really make it so. I'm pretty sure the Koran prohibits rape, murder, kidnapping and stealing. What did the Chechnyans think the Russians were going to do when they acted like a bunch of animals? You play with matches, you get burned.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalamu alaykum to my Muslim brothers/sisters To: Mad Mac, It is true that if you play with fire you get burned; but what right do the Russians have invading an independant country and killing innocent women and children. There is no evidence to support Russians claims that the Chechnyan Mujahideen were responsible for the bombing that occurred in Russia; in fact it is widely known that the Russian army that bombed those building. President Yelsin attacked Chechnya because of the economic crisis facing his country and the increasing political uproar that was happening in Russia. It is a known fact that war; brings a nation together like nothing else can; Yelsin entered into the war to get one over on the oppostion and to gain/re-esblish himself/party. In the current economical condition Russia cannot afford to wage war on another country so where/how does the war get financed? USA, Isreal and India fund the war in Chechnya as all these governemts are scared of and worried about the knock-effect an Islamic state in Europe may have in their own countries. Mad Mac, only history will reavel that what I am saying is true. If one looks at the Nazi party in Germany (HItler) torching the third Reich and blaming it communist party so that he and his party win the elections (which they did). Setting fire to your house for political progress is not a new idea. A more recent event is the Falklands war; here as we all know today by the viture of history M.Thatcher provked war with Argentina so that she can stay in office. Thus this war in Chechanya is political war where Russia is concerned and a war against Islam where USA, Isreal and India are concerned. All the above states stand to gain by the war, the only people that will be affected adversely are theChechnyans. Remember those who take lives of Muslims in Chechanya to gain political ground today. Will no doubt move to higher things tommorrow. So Mac if today you agree that Muslim people be burnt alive, killed, mutilated then you are signing your own life(a black life like Tupac said aint worth more than a bottle of jusice in the wesetern world) away!!! Who knows tommorrow your life (a black person) may simply be inapporiate in the west because you are the wrong colour, they may decide that you (the black race) all "are criminal scumbags". They may decide that you are taking up far too much air; so they have to terminate your "welfare- taking ass" and that you all are nothing but " weed spilfing lay abouts how are no good". It is terrible to prejudge a whole race, nation I bet you felt uneasy reading the comment about black people, so who can you be rascist and prejudge these people by describing them like you did. Mad Mac give me a break; the truth of the matter is that no one can judge, determine the "muslimness" or the strength of the Chenchan people's Islamic faith except for ALLAH (SWT). Plus anyone who believes in ALLAH(SWT) and his messenger Muhammed(PBUH)will always get my dua' whatever situation they are in. I conculde, in asking my muslim brothers and sisters to join me in praying for these Chechnyan Mujahideen we must never despair and desist from supporting them for the MUSLIMS victory will Insha-ALLAH come and ALLAH(SWT)’s will, will be done. I shall Insha-ALLAH pray this beautiful dua’ untill the wrongfull Russians are defeated: Allah! Aid our Mujahideen brothers in Chechnya. O Allah! Unify their rows, and gather them on the word of truth. O Allah! Aim their firing and strengthen their determination, and make their feet firm, and descend upon them tranquillity, and satisfy their hearts and guide them to that which is all good. O Allah! Make for them from Yourself an authority, and aid them with the army from Yourself, for to You belong the armies of the heavens and the earth, O Lord of the Worlds. May Salaah and Salaam be upon the Messenger of Allah and upon all his followers and companions.
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalamu alaykum; MAD MAC are you saying your christian then? Well whatever twisted lies you come up with this time; why dont you the people here what you really are: "I am an American GI who fought in Somalia in '93" this is what MAD MAC said in, Can someone please do something about Father Michaels?@somalinet/forums/. Then Mister America why dont you let the people be the judge of your comments concernig the Chechnyans after knowingg your true identity.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahhhhhh. Here we go again. If I'm not a Muslim I must be Father Michaels. As I have repeated so many times in the past I am NOT Father Michaels, I don't try to convert people from one religion to the other and I have nothing against ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got it! Now, for the rational argument. Sista, I'm not saying there aren't any good Muslims in Chechnya. What I am saying is that taken as a whole the Chechnyans have a criminal culture, much like the Albanians, Serbs and everyone else in the Balkans. Furthermore, Chechnya is not and was not (in recent history) a sovereign state. It is part of Russia. Now if the West was so anti-Islamic as you claim, why did it support the Muslim Albanians against the Christain Serbs? And why did it support the Muslim Bosnians against the Christain Serbs and Croats? I propose to you that Muslims have a far more anti-western oreintation than the other way around. Course lunatic terrorist organizations like Hezbollah don't help your cause any. Nevertheless, I hear an awful lot of discussion about Islam on this very site focussed on the West. As for prejudice in America. A very difficult problem because of our slave history which has created an economically deprived group which has caused that group to turn disproportionately to crime. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy which America has wrestled with for over 40 years (before that we didn't give a ••••). But things in this area are getting better. I have friends in the Army who are white and have black wives and no one cares. On the other hand, I mention a white guy dating a Somali woman on this site and whoa!!! look out. You'd think I'd just said we wanted to kidnap all Somali woman and turn them into sex slaves. Now back to Chechnya. The Chechyan militias provoked this last confrontation with the Russians by invading Dagestan. The bombing of the Apartment buildings was just the icing on the cake. Also, they have repeatedly kidnapped Russians for Ransom and Chechnya is a known conduit for drugs into southern Russia. In general, the Russians were definately provoked. The US has not cut of monetary support to the Russian state because it has much bigger interests than some pissant little place like Chechnya - that would be trying to ensure some level of stability in a nuclear armed state like Russia. So while the US is obviously not pleased with Russias handling of the situation there's not much that it can do about it.
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| | Unrecorded Date ASALAAMU CLAEYKUM WARAXAMATULAAHI WABARAKAATUH to all Muslims, To MAD MAC; MAC don’t patronise me in saying "As I have repeated so many times in the past I am NOT Father Michaels, I don't try to convert people from one religion to the other and I have nothing against ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got it!" I as I remember did not accuse you of being Father Michaels, and from what I understand of Somali's posting the bro/sis did not either, they simply quoted you from a discussion titled “Can someone please do something about Father Michaels?” http://www.somalinet.com/forums/ so please drop the "I’m being persecuted again act" all right! Please point out where in my previous posting does it say or even imply that you are a missionary try to convert people from Islam. You can’t because do that, because I made no such remarks. Mad Mac again you are being a prejudged and judging the psyche of a whole nation? Are you qualified to do this? What gives you the right to make such statements “taken as a whole the Chechnyans have a criminal culture”? By my standards it like saying, “all black people are thieves” or “all white people are racists”, these statements you are making are a complete and utter fabrications that are not based on any truth whatsoever. They are merely your uneducated/pre-conceived prejudice. So next times please make comments, which have foundations. Wasn’t it only a while back that the Russians (just before the transition from communist to capitalist) where portrayed as “heartless people” with a “criminal culture” in the western media? Do you form and base you opinions on Hollywood movies? “Now if the West was so anti-Islamic” Dear Mac it took USA and the UN, to act to the Bosnian crisis a little over a year by which time the Muslims in Bosnia where massacred and made to flee their homes permanently. Next time please think before making rash comments such “why did it support the Muslim Bosnians against the Christian Serbs and Croats?” The military help to both Kosovo and Bosnia was too little too late. Plus aren’t so-called “civilized” western countries supposed to set an example and civilise the “savages” in the third world? Thus it was an obligation on USA’s part to help stop the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, if the help weren’t based on humanitarian basis then at least it was on the basis of ‘setting a shining example for future generations’ ‘showing the world America’s goodness’. You say in your posting “Muslims have a far more anti-western oreintation than the other way around. “ Past history and Current affairs tell us the exact opposite to you are saying. Lets take a look at Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya the Muslim population of these countries were and are in Chechnya’s case be subjected to atrocities by Christians. The only place in the world where Muslims disadvantage Christians is Sudan, and even in there the Christians population have not been ethnically cleansed like the Muslims in Europe have been. Mad if you want to keep score of the deep-rooted hatred the Christians have for the Muslims then its only fair that I mention Eritrea, here the Muslim population had flee their own country and become refugees in Sudan (their own president refuses to welcome them back to their own country) and the ones living in the country are disadvantaged just like the Christians in Sudan are. I put to you again “Muslims have a far more anti-western orientation”? In light of the above, do you still hold this opinion? Well before you come to your conclusion let me just say the score is 4-1 to “anti-Muslim orientation”. “I hear an awful lot of discussion about Islam on this very site focussed on the West.” Well Mac let me remind you just in case you have forgotten that your in the ISLAM section of the SOMALINET forums. You hear a lot of discussion on this topic simply because this is, as you no doubt, know is a Somali site! Most of the Somali population is Muslim, just like most of population in USA is Christian. Also most of the people communicating in this site are living in the West, thus the majority using the site happen to be SOMALI MULSIMS IN THE WEST. You know what they say: if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen, if you don’t like what you read here find another site Mad…lol. “As for prejudice in America” If you read my previous posting you will notice that I am referring to YOUR prejudice as AN INDIVIDUAL against the Chechnyan people and Mujahideen and not prejudice in America. Lets please stick with the topic at hand!!! Which is jihad in Chechnya and not prejudice in USA. “I mention a white guy dating a Somali woman on this site and whoa!!! look out. You'd think I'd just said we wanted to kidnap all Somali woman and turn them into sex slaves.” Again can you please tell us, the relevance of these comments to the discussion at hand? You force me to go off topic, to answer your comment about the Somali people who oppose inter-racial relationships. Well simply put, they are just as ignorant and prejudice about racial mixing, as YOU are about the Chechen people. It funny how people always notice other people faults and wrongs yet they cannot their own! "So while the US is obviously not pleased with Russia’s handling of the situation there's not much that it can do about it." How comes the US dealt with the Iraqi-Kuwait situation (the Gulf war) faster than one could blink? Is it perhaps because financial gains that lay on the table for the USA? Is that in the Chechnya situation, (the poor Chechens cannot equal the Kuwait’s in wealth) the US would not get involved as there is no financial incentive? Anyway as the United States of America appointed itself as the mighty “police of the world” by getting involved in the Gulf war thus it’s its duty is to protect the innocent and vulnerable nations/people; its mightiness is obligated it to stop atrocities such as ethnic cleansing. I’m sure you agree with me, we don’t want history to repeat itself, and for another holocaust to happen in Europe. “The US. …………support to the Russian state because it has much bigger interests than some pissant little place like Chechnya” Is the price of human lives equal to that of monetary interests and gains? If not then what do you equate human lives to? Or is that you are of the opinion that Chechens should not be protected? Is the Chechnyan life worthless? Mad Mac I hope that in your next posting that stick with the topic and not digress. **I hope that in the future your abstain from referring to Mujahideen as “militias” as its offensive to me and other Muslims. *** My heart and prayer is with the Chechen Mujahideen, I pray to ALLAH (SWT) find them victorious. Sorry to have made it so long! W/salaam.
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| | Unrecorded Date Sista You're rough. Not stupid, just rough. OK, I'm going to try and deal with this point by point. I do not bear the Chechnyans ill will. What I am saying is that the Chechnyans TAKEN AS A WHOLE (clearly there are exceptions) supported the MUJAHIDEEN (Why militias is offensive is lost on me, but whatever) in their operations against Dagestan. Mao Tse Tung once said that the population is the sea in which the guerilla swims. Without popular support rebel movements can not survive. Much like our fight with the SNA. The Haber Gedir and some Dir and Sheykal provided a lot of support to the SNA militias (or Mujahideen or whatever you want to call them). They hid amongst the population which of course caused collateral damage to that population when we fought them. The Russians are faced with the same dilema only worse. When the going got rough in Somalia my government said "OK screw it. We're leaving. Solve this problem yourselves." The Russians don't have that luxury because they have to deal with the constant anarchy in their southern province. This is aggravated by the fact that they have an oil pipeline that runs through northern Chechnya which they have to protect. Now let me address two other points you made. The Gulf war was fought to protect oil reserves. A vital US interest since our economy relies on oil right now. I fought in the Gulf War and I can assure you as we entered Kuwiat city the locals were glad to see us. But that is not what that war was about. Anybody with an education beyond grammar school knows that and I know you know it too. As for policing the rest of the world this is a bad idea. Why???? Because you're always going to piss off someone. Now we're stuck in Bosnia and Kosovo with no end in site. It's a financial drain and it's a military drain and we have no vital interests at stake in either of these places. I feel sorry for the innocent people in Bosnia and Kosovo, but I feel sorry for starving children in the Ogaden, I feel sorry for the suffering in sub-saharan Africa, I feel sorry for the Cambodians, .... I mean the list goes on and on. We can't send the Army to every place where there's injustice and then impose our brand of justice. It just won't work. It just breeds resentment and ultimately it's not effective. We can't solve everyones problems. I'm not saying America hasn't tried to do that over the last decade - hell I've been part of ALL of the attempts, I'm just saying it's not proving to be a very good idea. Now to address the Bosnia problem specifically. I have a good feel for this one because I have worked in Bosnia for a total of 7 months (where I am right now). Bear in mind that while the war in Bosnia started because of Serb aggression the Muslims here did some mighty nasty things as well. There's plenty of villages in the Federation that have been cleansed of Serbs and the whole of the Krajina was cleansed of Serbs in 1995 by a combined Croat / Muslim offensive. So while the Serbs had dirtier hands than most, there are no real good guys in this scenerio. Also, the Bosnian Muslims here LOVE Americans, the Bosnian Serbs hate us. So say what you will, the story on the ground indicates that the Bosnians themselves don't see things the same way you do. Same goes for Kosovo. Reference Islam. Historicaly you're absolutely right. To a point. Of course if you go back just a little further than the crusades you will note that Islam spread in the first millenium largely through force of arms. The Arabs invaded all of north Africa, into Turkey and Persia, and then southern Europe. My point is that most people in the west are not very motivated by religion. Indeed, I don't even know the religious orientation of most of the people in my office. I just found out a guy I've known for years is Jewish. And he still doesn't know what I believe in because it's just not a topic of public interest. If you went on an English net you would not hear a lot of discussion about Christianity. Sure, occassionaly in the American polical scene you hear from the religious right - but they're largely marginalized. I'm not saying it doesn't play any role, I'm just saying it doesn't play a dominant one. And while there are some Americans who think Islam is some sort of threat (as if it were a disease or something) most people don't have much awareness about it one way or the other. Actually I'm not criticizing so don't get me wrong. It just seems that Somalis are very quick to point out that I'm kufaar, as if that was relevant to a given argument. I don't mean you per se. Much of what you say is valid. But I'm not sure you're being objective. If you were, your argument would not focus on the religious orientation of the Chechnyans, it would focus on their plight. The war in Chechnya, at least from the Russian stand point, is not about religion. It's about protecting their national interests. If you analyze it as if its something emotional, as oppossed to something rational, then you will never get to the core of the problem. Now we've got a lot of complicated topics going on here at the same time so I know this is kind of hard to follow. But instead of giving your heart and prayers to the Mujahideen, how 'bout if you just pray that the war ends soon and that a settlement can be reached which is satisfactory to both sides. The Chechnyans can never really be "victorious" and with Grozny in ruins any victory they win now will be pyhric anyway. Both sides need to find a political solution because this is a no win scenerio for all. Remember, seldom does anyone really win a war, but there are always losers. I've seen it from all sides and I don't think anyone should be praying for anyone to kill anyone else. I have a sneaking suspicion that Allah would concur with me on this one.
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| | Unrecorded Date ASALAAMU CLAEYKUM WARAXAMATULAAHI WABARAKAATUH to all Muslims, I feel as if I am not making any advancement arguing with you Mad Mac Cleary we will have to agree to disagree. Indeed it is stated in the Quran, that the non-believers will never be satisfied with my actions as a Muslim person unless I become one of them. Well sorry to disappoint you I have no such plans! Anyhow neither your views nor mine will help nor hinder the lives of the innocent Chechens so I will spend my time wisely and pray from my Mujahideen brothers in Islam rather than argue with you; as it has proved to be fruitless so far. However I would like to share this web site with everyone; be Muslim or non-Muslim,I found it to be most interesting and useful I sincerely hope that you guys do as well. http://Chechnyaonline.com/ "I have a sneaking suspicion that Allah would concur with me on this one." Mad Mac before making such foul statements please learn a bit more about ISLAM 'I dunno' if you heard of it or not but there is, a concept called JIHAD. You also said in your earlier posting dated 10 April "I'm pretty sure the Koran prohibits rape, murder, kidnapping and stealing. What did the Chechnyans think the Russians were going to do when they acted like a bunch of animals? You play with matches, you get burned." Well I am pretty sure that the bible too prohibits the above!!! My heart and prayer is with the Chechen Mujahideen, I pray to ALLAH (SWT)to find them victorious. May ALLAH (SWT) be pleased with the martyrs and reward them with paradise Insha-ALLAH. W/salaam
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| | Unrecorded Date Sista At least you're rational. You're right, we're likely going to disagree. I personally think this war is a no win situation for both sides. And as Napolean once said, "God is on the side with the best artillery." Anyway, I'll check out the web site. I'm sure it's interesting. Be advised I am not defending Russian brutality. I don't think brutality is part of Russian policy, however. Just as it was not part of our policy in Somalia. It is oftentimes, unfortunately, a by product of war. Many of the Russian soldiers fighting in Chechnya are poorly trained. Of course, there's no excuse for rape or outright murder. And I'm not defending those actions here. But as usual it's a two way street and the Chechnyans have initiated their own atrocities. But like you said, we can agree to disagree. One final point, I do NOT want to convert you from Islam. I wouldn't even know what to convert you to. Your being Moslem is fine with me. Nabad Gelyo Abai.
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