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     | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! NOTE: This is a long article...and I apologize, but it’s a very important information...and you should read all of it...to truly understand it. I ask you, in God’s name, to NOT be biased by me or anybody else. CONCENTRATE on the Truth...instead of what is preached to you all of your life. I gain nothing by telling you these information...but rewards from the Lord. You have the Qur`an...and it is wonderful this age...because it is available in MANY MANY MANY languages...including somali. IF you don’t understand Arabic...please find a Qur`an that you understand. WHAT DOES *UMMI* MEAN??? It became interest of some that I believe Muhammad(pbuh) was NOT illeterate who could not write or read. This is NOT my own innovation...but from Qur`an, as you will see it yourself. People who never recieved any Book = UMMIYIIN, GENTILES, WHATEVER you call it in your own language...whatever it maybe! I don’t have a word for it in Somali language except *ummiyiin* which is not somali but Arabic. The word *damiin* in somali cannot be *ummi* since that is NOT what is meant. Today, even the last people in the last place on Earth...are NOT Gentiles. WHY? Because there is a Qur`an...which is sent for ALL Mankind. Mankind, before Qur`an were(with the exception of Israelites) in manifest error...who had NOTHING but darkness and light-less all around them. No prophet or messenger was a Gentile messenger before Muhammad. They all had knowledge that came before them, even if it was corrupted. knowlege was there... JUST to tell you that *GENTILISM* *UMMIYIIN* is not of blood. In the Qur`an, we see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob...being chosen as the Imams to the Nations. Ishmael, too...is talked about greatly with respect and love in the Qur`an, but we do not see him as the Imam to the People...`till when he and Abraham pray for the Arabian People(their offs-prings). When Ishmael and Abraham are praying to God, they’re praying one like them for the people in the region of the ka`bah. Thus, a wonderful Imam...would come from there. One of the most manipulated things in Islam is that Prophet Muhammad was an illerate. People said this 200 years after Prophet Muhammmad’s death(pbuh) when the Hadiths came to writting. They said this because they had no faith, obviously. It was a costum of the Jews and X-tians to say that Muhammad coppied things from them. They very well knew that couldn’t IT. Isaiah 42 prophecies in the Torah the forth-coming Messenger who will wage WARS to submitt people UNDER God and not God being under the people. A whole chapter...nearly tells what Muhammad did and who Muhammad was. SO, certainly, Jews and X-tians couldn’t miss that. They accused of Muhammad being aggressor, what, but their Book Prophecies as the future Prophet NOT being under anybody’s rule. It is the center of Islam...that *Kalimatallahu al-culyaa*(that the Word of God shall be ABOVE!) This is fore-told in Isaiah...where God tells that he will be dominant...and NOT so peaceful anymore. The sad story of the Prophets was that each and everyone one of them...except Muhammad(pbuh) was not allowed to wage wars to submitt people. They were allowed to DEFEND...but not wage wars to NOT be the bottom but to be above. This was invested in Muhammad(pbuh) -- he was the King in Arabia...instead of being an abused prophet. No one could mock him or slay him...for he submitted nation of millions in less than 10 years. So, the later Muslims, instaed of saying; “WE are Muslims...and our Prophet was Muhammad...and our Book is Qur`an...and our god is God...and we coppied NOTHING from anybody” they tried to have an argument by lying against the Prophet. Why do you care what anybody says about you if you’re a believer??? Does it matter X-tian’s and Jew’s saying that Prophet Muhammad coppied from their books??? NO, since they’re people who do not believe. People who do not believe will do ANYTHING....and I mean ANYTHING to scheme and astray. The capacity for schemes in the unbelievers’ hearts is astonishing, least to say. The descendants of the Prophet(through his daughter Fatimah)...were out-raged when that hadith was written, but then again, they were out-raged by ALOT of things said about the Prophet in these so-called *Sahih* books. History records them as bruttaly attacked for their out-rage and speak against this piece of lie(ummi). Within Iran/Iraq where these people fled just about 150 years earlier when Muawiyah rebelled against Islam, were now persecuting these people...because they weren’t the *majority* anymore. They were even refused to be the Prophet’s descendents. They reasoned that since Prophet Muhammad didn’t leave any *sons* that there’d not be any descendents. This cannot be true -- since Jesus(pbuh) is called *Israelite* and is added on the descendents of Abraham. This is because through Mary, The daughter of Amran. Ah, what the heck -- man always seems to scheme! God says in the Qur`an; “62.2 It is He Who has sent amongst the UNLETTERED a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to purify them, and to instruct them in Book and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-” The meaning of the word *unlettered* is; NOT EDUCATED. This is the true meaning of it. While every translater translates that way, Muslims believe that *NOT EDUCATED* means...not educated in the regards of this world. That is BULL and LIE. The *NOT EDUCATED* that God talks about is heavenly education---the education God gives people through Holy Books. Like the Tablets, Torah, Gospel, the Psalms, Qur`an, etc etc etc. Also, the verse says *among the unlettered*---this is the clear side of it; Muhammad(pbuh) was among the Arabs. Arabia could read/write and did deals and treaties with other nations...such as Egypt, Palestine, Greece, Turkey, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, etc. Also, some of the oldest poets in this world are from Arabs. And, Arabs, wrote their poetry...down. Also, in Yemen, 1992, archeologists found stones with letters on...and statements. The Yemintes identified these to be gods that Ancient-Arabia used. If Arabia was *NOT EDUCATED* in regards of this world, where in the world could they get such understanding of writting in ARABIC??? Another, clear...and very understandable verse in this regard is in Chapter Three; “[3.20] But if they dispute with you, say: I have submitted myself entirely to God and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the UNLEARNED people: Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and God sees the servants.” “the UNLEARNED” in Arabic in this verse is like any other verse; “AL UMMIYIINA” I wonder who are given the *BOOK* and who are the *UNLEARNED*??? Hhhmm, do you see where people’s explanation lies? Do you think EVERYONE in the world who were not Israeli was illerate??? LITERALLY, Israelites were the dumbest people who could NOT read or write until somewhere in Jacob’s time...while the Ancient-Greeks could write and transmitted important information to the future generations. Same with Ancient-Egpytians who enslaved the Israelites could read and write and same way transmitted important information to the future generations. However, in God’s eyes, Israelites were the ONLY learned people untill Arabs got Muhammad(pbuh)! The family of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh); Quraish, they were the ONLY people who were rich enough in Mecca who could learn how to read/write better than anyone else. AND, they did...because they held the most keys to Ka`abah. However, the Israelites; X-tians and Jews of that time were the ONLY learned people in God’s eyes. CAN you grasp that? Ah, maybe not! :) PLEASE, also, examine the following verses; “[3.75] And among the followers of the Book there are some such that if you entrust one (of them) with a heap of wealth, he shall pay it back to you; and among them there are some such that if you entrust one (of them) with a dinar he shall not pay it back to you except so long as you remain firm in demanding it; this is because they say: `There is not upon us in the matter of the UNLEARNED people any way (to reproach);` and they tell a lie against God while they know. [3.76] Yea, whoever fulfills his promise and guards (against evil) -- then surely God loves those who guard (against evil). [3.77] (As for) those who take a small price for the covenant of God and their own oaths-- surely they shall have no portion in the hereafter, and God will not speak to them, nor will He look upon them on the day of resurrection nor will He purify them, and they shall have a painful chastisement. [3.78] Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from God, while it is not from God, and they tell a lie against God whilst they know.” In the Talmud, they have what is in verse 3.75 above; they believe that if they take the wealth of the GENTILES, they don’t have to return it...and that it’s free for them to take that. COINCIDENTLY, I have seen Somalis who feel the same way about the unbelievers -- isn’t that sad? So, from the verses above, if you truly want to believe God and His Words, you’ll know that *Ummiyiin* means GENTILES and NOT illerates. They’re so wrapped up in believing what their fore-fathers of yore said was THE WAY...that they miss the truth in the Qur`an; thus, God leaves them deaf, dumb, and blind. This is because they turn away God’s revelations for other books which they can find whatever they want to help their case -- and God knows the UNJUST! People, usually Somalis, say that Somalis were people who could not read/write. This is BULL. Somalis could read/write in Arabic since Ancient-times. Egptians taught somalis-workers how to read/write in Arabic...even LONG before Islam came to Egypt. Many somalis poets later wrote and memorized their poems in Arabic. Can you believe there are ancient-somali-poems in Cairo’s old Libraries? They don’t know the meaning of it...since the thing is in somali language...but written in Arabic form.(like...farsi, so to say!) Ask your old family members, in 30s, 40s and 50s...somalis in mogadishu used to write Arabic form in somali language...and would communicate this way. The Italians in Mudug(Galkacyo area) prohibited such thing...since somalis used that in violence appointments. I don’t know exactly when it stopped in Mogadishu. However, my own grand-father was nearly killed by the Italians...because they saw him use this activity after they prohibited. And people say somalis were illerates? GIMME A BREAK! Stealing history from a whole nation is a sad state, but the truth is...you cannot steal nation’s history if the nation...participates to have history. LOOK at the Jews, they have been persecuted for five thousands years...for believing the *God* -- Romans and Egyptians and Babylons took them as slaves and killed them all the way. However, they never lost what they thought to be their history. And God never stopped sending them Prophets...and knowledge. DIDN’T mean to deviate from the discussion, lets continue the *ummi* deal : God also says similar in Chapter seven verse 158: “Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He that giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His Words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." God is talking to MANKIND through Muhammad(pbuh)...and saying it’s UNLETTERED Prophet...so follow him. I used to think that people are STILL ummiyiin...except Muslims. BUT, that is not true---the Qur`an is not sent for Arabs...but all Mankind. Whoever accepts it...is rewarded justly, but whoever that refuses it won’t be unknowledge now, will he? NO. He’ll be wicked...but still knowledge came to them. The Jews who dissagreed after knowledge came to them and the other non-muslim of today are the same...since BOTH refused God’s knowledge. So, they’re BOTH the same. Before the Qur`an, non-Israelites were ummiyiin...so they were ummiyiin, but the athiest Israeli was not ummi...since the knowledge was sent to him, especially...but turned from it. You see my point? Among the Jews, Israeli-athiest...is NEVER considered as a Gentile...While Arab-Pagan(who believes in Allah) was Gentile...why? Because, the Arab-Pagan is unlearned...while the Israeli has the knowledge in his society. The Israeli-Atheist may refuse to acknowledge that knowledge...but it’s STILL there! In the same chapter...verse 157; God talks about ISRAELITES: "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the Law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." God is talking with Mankind --- and telling them about Israelites and how this very Gentile Prophet is mentioned in the scriptures of the Israelites. God is telling Mankind...whoever that follows this man will prosper. THIS doesn’t mean whoever doesn’t isn’t educated...because God is educating them in the Qur`an...but it means salvation is through him---and accepting and following him means prosperity. Without accepting Muhammad and his teachings(...from Qur`an)...you can’t accept God. God sends a Messenger...and if you don’t accept him --- you don’t accept God, either. This was the thing `till Adam’s time. Accepting the Prophets/Messengers = accepting God. The people who believe that Hadiths are another kind of Qur`an that is not corruptable. I ask them to read the hadiths where it confirms that Muhammad was a business man who journeyed through what is known today as Middle-East. He’d be gone months...to make business deals. AND, one of these occasions...that he made a good deal for his employer, she fell in love with him...because of his concentrative of any subject. He made deals with non-Arabic people...and within and out-side of Arabs, people signed and wrote dealings...due to the Greek’s influence. WAS MUHAMMAD(PBUH) THE LAST MESSENGER???... This has been the talk in somalinet nowdays; “Ahmad doesn’t believe Muhammad was the last Prophet:” this is purely a lie...I do believe Muhammad was the last Prophet, but I don’t believe Muhammad was the last Messenger---and I have reasons FROM the Qur`an; [33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.] [Maa kaana Muxammadan aabaa axadan min rijaalikum; wa laakina rasuuluLaahi wa khaattamal nabiyiina; wa kaana Allahu bikuli shay`in caliiman.] When I said God enjoined me to believe that “Muhammad was the Messenger of God, and the Last Prophet” --- Umar said that; “unlike Ahmad and the Submitters, I believe that Muhammad was the both the last messenger and prophet:” Umar wanted to say, I guess, “Unlike Ahmad and the Qur`an” since it was a quote FROM the Qur`an. God could say; “but(he is) the Messanger and the Prophet of Allah, and the last one of them!”(KHAATTAMAL ANBIYAA!) God makes clear here that Muhammad(pbuh) is a Messenger of Allah...and that he is the LAST of the Prophets(notice how God chose *Prophets*)(NABIYIINA)...instead of (ANBIYAA)! Walaalkiin tried to play the old game and say that *Anbiyaa* means *nebiyiina* -- hahahahahah, no no...and 1000 times no. Suratul-Anbiya...is named “Anbiya” for its continues record of Messengers and Prophets. It deals with both Messengers and Prophets...and thus the perfect word for it would be *Anbiya* instead of *NABIYIINA*; I have heard many people translate it as *Prophets*---even submitters. So, it is either my Arabic teacher taught me bad what the word meant...or somebody is playing a scrubbin` tricks!haha! Somebody, also, i’m not sure if it’s Umar or Walaalkiin, said that “every messenger can be a Prophet, but not every prophet can be a messenger”---this is, once again, the game of the old. It has no base in the Qur`an...IF SO, I beg to see it! BEFORE you do anything else, please examine what is a *messenger* and what is *prophet*; >>Messenger is a being who confirms what came before him...and who does not bring a new revelation. He just tries to get people back to the teachings of whoever came before him. This is the human-messenger. This is from verse 3: 81 >>Prophet is a being who brings NEW thing(BOOK)...who still confirms what confirms what came before him(in Islam) but also has a new things to teach; new dietary laws, family laws, etc---like Jesus, Moses/Aaron, Muhammad, etc. This too is from 3.81 Muhammad is the last Prophet and the Qur`an is the last scripture because he was *PROPHET* for all-mankind...and not just specific community. MANY Muslims believe he was the last Messenger and that is BULL! There are Messengers among us that God sends to all of us; ANGELS. God tells us that he chooses men messengers and angel-messengers; [22:75 Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men, for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).] And also God ADDS Angel-Messengers to creations as He wishes. [35:1 Praise be to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things.] So, Muhammad cannot be the last Messenger... Also, from Chapter three verse 81, we read: [3:81 Behold! Allah took the covenant of the PROPHETS, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a MESSENGER, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."] So, God gives the Prophets “BOOK and WISDOM.” Thus, since Muhammad is Prophet --- Muhammad was given a Book and Wisdom. From our last discussion of the *ummi* deal...we learned that Muhammad was definitely a Prophet. Then, God says...“THEN COMES TO YOU A MESSENGER” So, that says...after I give you the Book and Wisdom---there will come to you a Messenger. Now, what would be the Messenger’s duty? “TO CONFIRM WHAT IS WITH YOU” says God. SO, this Messenger would have to be a Messenger who confirms the Prophets` Books...and not himself be a Prophet. Do yah gather this much? I hope so! Then God goes ahead and makes a covenant with them. Some Muslims say oh...that means Muhammad was not one of them. DUH? But Muhammad is given a Book...how could HE NOT be one of them??? Do you think that God just went ahead and made covenant with Prophets except Muhammad??? Don’t you think it’d say in the Qur`an??? One would say “Oh, maybe that Messanger that was *not* there was Prophet Muhammad”...WELL, WRONG! In another chapter, we see that Muhammad was included in this covenant...and was one of the Prophets who gave their oath that they would help HIM *the messanger* and believe in him, as God REMINDS Muhammad; [33:7. And remember We took from the Prophets their Covenant: As from you: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.] So, most certainly, Muhammad(pbuh) WAS one of them. Now, here calls the logic pin; IF Muhammad(pbuh) was ONE of them...and also it is Muhammad who is given the Book and Wisdom himself, who in the world confirmed his Book and Wisdom; Qur`an??? Did he do it himself? Recieved the Knowledge---and just went ahead and confirmed it and okayed himself? SO, also, since God did NOT mention alot of Prophets` accounts to Muhammad, how could he be able to confirm the Books of the Prophets when he is not given the whole information accounts of the Prophets? I need a break! So, MOST certainly, a Messenger is coming to confirm Muhammad’s and the Rest of the Prophet’s Books, correct? So, Muhammad(pbuh) cannot be the last Messenger... I’m wondering when this *covenant* took place!(hhhmmm...) Could it be when Muhammad was summoned into the Heavens by Night from Mecca to through Jerusalem??? I DON’T know and don’t wanna spectulate! But, I sure believe God! :) Israelites did this before...where they said God would NOT send a Messenger after Joseph. Uhm, NO...wrong; MANY prophets and messengers came after him. WHERE did they get this idea from? Fabrications of the old, of course, no doubt. Some of the Hebrews in Egypt wouldn’t believe in Moses because they were pre-fixed with this idea from their sayings from Joseph...which was corrupted, as the hadiths of Muhammad. An example from the past...does teach a lesson to the future generations if the future generations are sincere. Now, MANY people, through-out history, came to say that they’re Messenger of God. TRUST me, every decade or so...one shows up. Agha Khan, Rashad Khalifa, Baha`ullah, etc. The latest being Rashad Khalifa...whom i’m learning about him now(as I did...others!) Truly, so far...i’m only finding more and more of unacceptable stuff...but i’m willing to go along...for it is my duty to NOT rule-out anything untill it rules out itself. This is the point; TRUTH stands from error...and error will always destruct itself. So, you will hear from me...when I rule him in or out...from the Qur`an, as always. Many Muslims say Muhammad was the last Messenger..when they themselves believe Jesus will come back at the end of time. WELL, if he’s coming back...we sure know he’s NOT going to bring a new revelation since Muhammad(pbuh) was the Last Prophet...so what would be his identity? He’d be a Messenger who comes down to ful-fill God’s tasks; to kill the Da`jall(Anti-Christ,) to submitt mankind, to unite the Muslims, etc, etc, etc,. And, he’ll bring back people to Muhammad’s teachings(THUS, he’ll be a messenger) as other Messengers always brought people to the prophet’s that preceeded them. He’ll do away with sectism for sure...and unite people. All of this is the job duties of a Messenger. We learn from the Qur`an...that Jesus was a Prophet. So, surely, if he was a Prophet...he can’t come back to confirm his own book---God says; “THEN, I will send a Messenger” meaning; after all of you here, i will send another Messenger...who will confirm what I give you now. DID he, Jesus, die? NO! So, if he didn’t die...he sure must die since all mankind must die from Earth. Ah, Blessed is the Lord who gives knowledge to mankind. This is ONE of the major problems I have with this Rashad Khalifa! Because he believes Christ is dead --- and I can’t believe that...NOT by along shot. This alone may be what will cause me to RULE OUT Rashad. THE QUR`AN: The easy for the tongue, easy to remember, easy to understand Book! Everything that I said in this article is from the Qur`an...and NOTHING but the Qur`an. We don’t need anything else in Islam but Qur`an; everything else like hadiths, history, etc...will be other things that MUST agree with the Qur`an or else. Quran is completed; everything is in it -- EVERYTHING. Anything that is not in it...is NOT needed in Islam. We need the hadiths because we need to learn how the Prophet lived...and how people say he lived MUST agree with the Qur`an...or they’ll be a man-made fabrications. We need history because we need to learn the Old days...and grow and try to NOT repeat their mistakes. Everything that people bring as history...MUST agree with the Qur`an or they’ll be a man-made fabrications. So on...and so forth. I’m not a scholar who spent years and years just studying some subjects. I’m human being who is just like any other human being---who strifes to have a place in paradise. Who is not pre-fixed with anything man said---I have seen scholars come with knowledge...and then lose it all out. Strifing for the Truth is not needed to be educated by men...but God; truly, people, the Qur`an is a teacher when God wants to teach you. Muslims try to run the game on themselves that they’re *exception*--truly, they’re not. No man is exception---exceptionity only belongs to God. An example for this is the story of the time; Satan falling off the Heavens -- why in the world would anybody who God made His staff choose TO NOT take His orders? Somebody whose life is made in heaven and among the Angels -- this is the truth in life; nobody is divine but God. And people think Muslims, who live in the wicked world of Satan are exceptions? WAKE UP...and smell the coffee! “God chose the Muslims” you hear among the Muslims...well, God chose the Israelites, too---and look what was the end of the unjust. Also, God says to the Muslims; “if you don’t follow, we’ll replace you with another people”---same thing that was said to the Israelites. God enjoined Muslims to NOT divide their religion into sects---and, whaw, what a rule that was followed. Just years after the Prophets death---Muslims tried dividing the religion...little by little. There is no divinity---Prophets and Messengers of God made mistakes...Mistakes do happen. We just need to ask God to forgive our mistakes...and stay with the right course. You know what makes me sad, even people here, in Somalinet, expect me to be divine who makes no mistake; imagine that? Ahmad, a mistakeful man...who lived all his life in mistake after another? My God, the tendecy for idoltry in man’s life is too astonishing to concieve. When one turns to the Qur`an, heartedly, one recieves knowledge from God. God teaches you in the Qur`an that He is the Teacher of the Qur`an. All one have to do is to accept that teacher...to teach him wisdom and give him faith. You could read the Qur`an millions of times, if God doesn’t want to teach you...you won’t learn anything but the obviouses. One needs to open their soul to God alone...and worship Him and Seek Him for Help. NOT “abuu jaylaaniyoow” or “yaa Ali” but “YAA ALLAH” or “My Lord...” Do you ever see anybody giving a whole day to God to sing for Him in Glory and do prayers(duas) in His Holy name? NO! We see people giving the Prophet a whole day for his birthday...and celebrating him and singing blessing in his name. That is God’s work from human, not human’s work from human. INTERCESSION: a myth or a reality? Ah, a brother here, Bashir, visited another forums and saw somebody who said *intercession is a myth*---my brother went ahead and thought that was AHMAD! It is notable...that Brother Bashir thought I was a person here, too...untill I asked the admin to clarify it---where, blessed be, the admin clarified it. Well, I’m here to tell my brother that he couldn’t be more wrong; i’m NOT anybody on the internet but Ahmad. I don’t need to be anybody but Ahmad to get my ideas and views acrossed. I’m certainly not ashamed or afraid to get my ideas or views across the table. But, in somali sayings, we have this wonderful saying; “nin waliba wuxuu yahay buu ku moodaa”(Everybody thinks of you of what they are!) No need to continue! About intercession, Submitters are WRONG---and so are the *some* Muslims. Submitters are wrong because they think intercession is a myth---this is NOT true. It is not a myth nor is it wrong, it’s an existing way of asking God to help us through others. The submitters are very right when they say that asking Muhammad, Jesus, mary, the saint, etc---to intercede for us is idoltry---this is true because these people are dead as far as we’re concerned. Even Jesus, who is very much alive, is dead(NOT literally) but means he is absent from our world. He will come back to die here, but he is still in heaven...and can’t hear/know what is going on in earth. To say these people know what is happening in our world is idoltry because it gives them the; “All-knowing” attribute that God has. God is the only one whose knowledge goes beyond physical station -- who is at Arsh(the highest heaven) yet knows EVERYTHING that happens...because He is everywhere at everytime with His knowledge of boundless and stationless. Submitters are wrong because FROM alot of places in the Qur`an, we see others interceding on be-half of others. We see Noah, Abraham, Muhammad, Jacob, Ishmael, etc. ANYTIME you pray for another person...it’s form of intercession. Some Muslims are wrong when they believe that Prophet Muhammad changes God’s mind(from 50 prayers to 5 prayers, and in the last day...when all of the other prophets refuse to intercede because they all made mistakes) The ridiculousness of this is that every messenger names a mistake that he made---while they made Muhammad mistakeless...what an idoltry. Muhammad mistaked in making unlawful what was not unlawful to him -- why this was not mentioned in the hadith? Among other mistakes Muhammad(pbuh) made??? beats me! The point is---NOBODY can change God’s mind. God is beyond merciful than to be less merciful to any other being to notice it. This is not so. If God wanted us to pray fifty times, that would be IT---because God is more merciful to us than Prophet Muhammad. If we couldn’t bear that, God would know it...without Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) pointing out to him. If you truly believe that Prophet Muhammad or Moses knew more about his creations’ bearings than God, then you’re in deep trouble. God knows not only the past or present...but the future of un-comprehendable time of times. He is all-powerful; you must believe this, truly. You MUST also believe that God’s Mercy is beyond recognition to another’s pointings...its boundless and timeless and is always there for even those who do not deserve it...let alone those who deserve it. God in the Qur`an prophecies that He will ask Jesus; “Did you tell them to take me and my Mother as two-gods?” My question is...where in the world anybody took Mary as GOD, literally? The ONLY people who give Mary any more than she deserves are the Catholics---and they do NOT, and I REPEAT -- do NOT, believe her to be a god beside God. However, God is saying people took her for god...why??? Because people ask her to intercede for them while they know she’s dead and long gone out of this world. They ask her to talk to God and ask help for them. This is idoltry---because they’re giving her more powers than she has. She was righteous woman...who if she lived today, I MYSELF would ask her to intercede for me---but she’s not with us anymore...and she has no power to hear my prayers through her. The same thing is done with Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and Ali. I used to be up all-night on the Prophet’s birthday...and ask him, through dikri, to intercede for me and my family. When I remember that, I nearly cry...because how fool and ignorant I was. I couldn’t grasp the idea that God’s righteous Prophet could not hear me---because his business in this world ended when he died. I gave him more power than he had---I made him a god who could hear me beyond station and bound. It is NOTABLE that nowhere did I ask Prophet Muhammad to do things for me...but to ask God for me. Also, it’s notable that NO TIME did I every believe he was god...but that doesn’t change the fact, does it? That was idol-worship at its best. But, then, you couldn’t tell me that---I would fight you if you would’ve told me that I was doing idol-worshipt. History repeats itself, doesn’t it? And I ask my ONLY God, the God of Muhammad, to forgive me and my mistakes. Shia Muslims today---have every thursday a celebration where they ask, some where in prayer, Ali to intercede for them. They do NOT, in no where believe he was god...but they ask him to intercede for them. This too itself is idol-worship. Same thing with the Arabian-pagans; while they knew it was ALLAH who created the heavens and earth and all in it, they still had smaller gods beside God; Hubal, The daughters of Allah, etc. Whom they asked for help; except these people went a little far than I did; they actually believed these dieties were gods. Hindus do similar today. All and all, intercession is OKAY while the person whom you’re interceding through is alive. You don’t do it by yourself...you GO to the person and tell them to pray/intercede for you. And, you must believe that you WILL not get it if God doesn’t want you to get it...and that this person cannot change God’s mind about things. It’s OKAY to do it for a person who is not at your time-zone(dead, etc)...but just know that that person has NO IDEA that you did this for him/her unless God lets them know. I hope what I said made sense -- I hope. EXCEPTIONALITY in Muhammad(pbuh); Many Muslims KNOW that to differentiate Prophets is a grave mistake. God appoints for Muslims to NOT make distinction between Messengers of God; [3.84 Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jsus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islám)."] [2.285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."] And God promises good to those who DO NOT differentiate between Messengers; [4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.] YET, Muslims celebrate ONLY Prophet Muhammad’s birthday, Muslims do say; “salalaahu calayhi wasalam” ONLY on Prophet Muhammad while they say other Messenger to; “calayahi salam” -- Muslims visit ONLY Prophet Muhammad’s tumb. ETC ETC ETC! AND, what is even more...Muslims think Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was mistakeless even ignoring all the Qur`anic proofs that Prophet Muhammad could mistake....and mistaked as a human being. Hadith says that ALL of the other Messengers will fail to do intercession for the people in the last day...each and everyone of them is given mistake that he’s afraid to go before God...and it’s ONLY Muhammad(pbuh) who does not say that he mistaked and intercedes for the People...where God changes His mind...because Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) asked Him to. Anybody who is Muslim recognizes from the Islamic World that Prophet Muhammad is made different from the Messengers of God -- which dis-obeys God’s rule in the Qur`an. We’re asked to love this prophet and obey him and render him help, but we’re also asked NOT to make distinction between Messengers. X-tians had the same trouble where they couldn’t live up to the barrier. A true faithful believer can LOVE and obey Prophet Muhammad...and not make him different from other Apostles. However, it will always be hard for idol-worshipper to live up to the barrier. I have seen mosques and houses displayed with two items; *Allah* and *Muhammad* at two corners. IF a pagan walks in, guess what they will think? One will have no choice but to believe this place has two gods. The tendecy for idol-worship in humans astonishes me. I see ALOT of stuff with myself where I see clear IDOL-WORSHIP. God is Most High! So, people here...who are knowledged, I ask them to teach me the other way they think is *the correct* way...FROM the Qur`an or other things that AGREE with the Qur`an. I will not follow what my fore-fathers of yore said was correct...but I will follow the Truth, from any time, that is FROM Qur`an...so, enlighten me, those of you who think I need some *enlightment*! :) May God help us realize what is Truth as Truth, and May God help us realize what is False as False! May God forgive the mistakes of the believers...and may there be love and peace and prosperity between the believers! May God accept my prayers what is right! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date waan yaabay!!. doodaada ahmed dadbaa kolay xiisa uhaye,intaan baa dhihi lahaa. -ARINTA UMMINIMA nabi maxamamed s.c.w waad keentay aayadu aad sidaad doonto aad ufasaratay marka bal aayadaana ii fasir: MAAKUNTA TATLUU MINQABLIHI MIN KITAABIN WALAA TAKHADUHU BIYAMIINIKA IDAN LARTAABAL MUBDILUUN. -ARINTA KHAATAMA NABIYIINA iyo nabi maxamed s.c.w ma'ahayn rasuulkii ugu danbayayey!, waxaa soobaxaaya wax yaalihii horay laguugu sheegay ee bogaga looguugu magac mixiyay,taas waxaaba siicadaynaya WALI KUUMA CADA IN RASHAAD KHALIIFA UU RASUUL YAHAY IYO INKALE oowali baaristiisaad wadaa waalayaab!!!!.waxklana waakasugaynaa amad dhahdaa anna rasuul baan ahay!!!. midakale sidee ku ogaatay in quraankaan yahay kii alle soodajiyay iyo inkale ma macaankiisaad kagaratay, ogow waxa jira marka lagareebo gaalada dad muslimiin ah oo aaminsan inlabadalay kuligiiis ama qaar kamid ah sidaas daraadeed uuyahay naqis.
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Ka dar oo dibi dhal WAS MUHAMMAD(PBUH) THE LAST MESSENGER???... BEFORE you do anything else, please examine what is a *messenger* and what is *prophet*; >>Messenger is a being who confirms what came before him...and who does not bring a new revelation. He just tries to get people back to the teachings of whoever came before him. This is the human-messenger. This is from verse 3: 81 >>Prophet is a being who brings NEW thing(BOOK)...who still confirms what confirms what came before him(in Islam) but also has a new things to teach; new dietary laws, family laws, etc---like Jesus, Moses/Aaron, Muhammad, etc. This too is from 3.81 +++++++++ I have "examine what is a *messenger* and what is *prophet*;"+++++++++++++++++++++ Webster's New World Thesaurus Messenger: n.--Syn. bearer, minister, angel, prophet, dispatcher, herald, carrier, courier, runner, crier, errand boy, intermediary, envoy, emissary, internuncio, go-between, ambassador, commissionaire, flag-bearer. Prophet: n.--Sys. seer, seeress, oracle, soothsayer, calirvoyant, wizard, augur, sibyl,sorcerer, predictor, forecaster, prognosticator, diviner, haruspex, evocator, medium, witch, palmist, fortuneteller, palmist, tea-leaf reader, reader of the future, weather forecaster, meteorologist, ovate, bard, druid, astrologer, horoscopist. Webster's Universal College Dictionary Messenger, n. 1. a person who conveys message or parcels. 2. a light line by which a heavier line can be pulled to a ship, pier, etc. Prophet, n. 1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration. 2. (in the Old Testament) a. a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel. b. (often cap.) one of the Major or Minor Prophets. 3. the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam. 4. a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader. 5. a person who foretells the future. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Walaalkiin, wacalaykuma salaam, Ahmad has his mind made up--like the Rashad Khalifa did. I saw on the Submitters page the same thing Ahmad posted on here-----however, they and Ahmad do not know what they are talking about or they are pulling our legs and as usual are lairs. Their idea that "ummi" has only one meaning---like Ahmad and Submitters are saying--is NONSENSE. Ahmad does not understand that in Arabic, the word UMMI means one who does not read, and from that it also means one who does not have a book-----and from that it also means one who is a Gentile. The word UMMI in Arabic that is used in the Qur'an, possibly, has with both meanings. Does Ahmad read and understand the Arabic language? I do not think he does.
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| | Unrecorded Date AHMED. Thanks but no thanks for copying www.moslem.org or www.quran.com. Why go all the way to convince people the inconceivable?. Well AHMED ADAM SUBMITTER rest assured that RASHAD KHALIFA died humiliated AND WAS ALSO A CONVICT O RAPE in the US. HOW BIG IS YOUR PAYCHECK?.
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Haddii aan intaa ku dayno luqadda Ingiriiska iyo macnaha "Prophet" iyo "Messenger" bal aynu isla qaadaa dhigno macnaha "Rasuul" iyo "Nebi" sida Qur'aanku na barayo. Nebi iyo Rasuul tusaalaha ugu fiican ee sida fudud noo fahansiinka kara waxa u dhaxeeya waa labada walaalaha Muuse iyo Haaruun Calayhim Wa Calaa Nebiyunaa Al-Salaam. Muuse wuxuu ahaa Nebi iyo Rasuul Haaruun wuxuu ahaa Nebi. "Wath-kur Fil Alkitaabi Muusaa. Inahu Kaana Mukhlisan Wa Kaana Rasuulan Nebiya"(19:51) Ku Xus Kitaabka Muusa. Wuxuu ahaa mid daacad ah wuxuuna ahaa Rasuul Nebi ah. "Wa Wahabnaa Min Raxmatinaa Akhaahu Haaruuna Nebiya"(19:53) Waxaan Ugu Deeqnay Naxariistayada Awgeed Walaalkii Haaruun Nebinimo. "Wath-kur Fil Alkitaabi Ismaaciil. Inahu Kaana Saadiqa Alwacdi Wa Kaana Rasuulan Nebiya."(19:54) Ku Xus Kitaabka Ismaaciil. Wuxuu ahaa mid ka dhabeeya ballankiisa wuxuuna ahaa Rasuul Nebi ah. "Wath-kur Fil Alkitaabi Idiris. Inahu Kana Sadiiqan Nebiya"(19:56) Ku Xus Kitaabka Idiris. Wuxuu ahaa Runlow Nebi ah. "Ulaa'ika Al-Ladiina Ancama Allahu Calayhim Min Al-Nebiyiina Min Thuriyati Adama Wa Miman Xamalnaa Maca Nuux Wa Min Thuriyat Ibraahiim Wa Israa'iil Wa Miman Hadaynaa Waj-tabaynaa. Ithaa Tutlaa Calayhim Aayaatu Al-Raxmaan Kharuu Sujaddan Wa Bukiya"(19:58) Kuwaasi waxay ka mid ahaayeen Nebiyadii Ilaahay U Deeqay oo ka mid ahaa, dhashii Adam, kuwii aan la qaadnay Nuux, dhashii Ibraahim iyo Israa'iil (Nebi Yacquub) iyo kuwa Aan Hanuuninay Oo Aan Daryeelnay. Haddii lagu akhriyo Aayadaha Ilaahay waxay u dhacaan sujuud iyo ilmayn. Haddii aadan intaa ka helin macnaha Nebi iyo Rasuul oo weli shaki kaaga jiro Nebiyiin iyo Anbiyaa bal dhagayso Aayadahan Kariimka ah: "..Thalika Bi Annahum Yakfuruuna Bi Aayaati Allah Wa Yaqtuluuna ALNEBIYIINA Bi Ghayri Al-Xaq. Thalika Bimaa Casow Wa Kaanuu Yactiduun"(2:61) Sidaas bay u beeneeyeen Aayadaha Ilaahay waxayna gardaro u dileen Nebiyadii. Sidaas bayna ku caasiyeen iyagoo xad gudbaya. "..Qul Falima Taqtuluuna ANBIYAA'U Allah Min Qabli In Kuntum Mu'miniina"(2:91) Waxaad ku tiraahdaa (Nebi Muxamedow SCW) oo maxaad horay ugu disheen Nebiyadii Ilaahay haddii aad tihiin kuwa Mu'miniin ah. "..Afakulamaa Jaa'akum Rasuulu Bimaa Laa Tahwii Anfusukum Astak-bartum Fa Fariiqan Kathab-tum Wa Fariiqan Taqtuluuna"(2:87) Oo ma is kibrinaysaan haddii uu idiin keeno Rasuul wax ayna naftiinu jeclaysan markaas baad qaar Rasusha ka mid ah beenaynaysaan qaar kalana dilaysaan. Intaas Ilaahay Ha Kugu Anfaco Ilaahay Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, HUH? I already said the word ummi means *NOT EDUCATED* in today's Arabic. Is that the point? The point is...what kind of education!Hehehe! Dancing around the different possible meaning of the words cannot justify the clear meaning of the Qur`anic one. :) ...and HAD you been fair or just to the cause of Allah, you would come forward when Walaalkiin was saying what the oldies always said; "The word ummi means; cannot write/read only" or similar. Bashir, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! OY VEY! How many of a Messenger died before in *humiliation* as well? Some of the BEST Prophets of God were killed in humiliating places and time. Rashad Khalifa, even if he was not a messenger, died much better than some of the Prophets of God. Also, a peak back into history will let yah know that MOST of the Prophets/Messengers of God have been accused of wicked deals that they had nothing to do with. To this day, the righteos Prophet Muhammad is accused of rape...and had he been alive today in united states would be sentenced to life-time without parole, probably!hahah! Does that make him guilty? God knows the unjust. Ignorance is a disease only God can heal...Blessed is the God of Merciful! Walaalkiin, You said; "Muuse wuxuu ahaa Nebi iyo Rasuul. Haaruun wuxuu ahaa Nebi." So, Aaron was just a Prophet now? HAHAAHHAHA! Well, well, somethings are better than others, I guess. Maybe God will help you in this; "4.163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms." *TO NOAH AND THE MESSENGERS AFTER HIM* I wonder if Aaron is there...hhhmmmm, eiping my world. This verse ALSO shows the sincere Muslim that every everything GOD sends is a Messenger -- Because God uses the word; "THE TRIBES" which had Messengers and Prophets. So, MOST certainly, everything that comes FROM God is a Messenger! Blessed it may BE! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date THE OUTHORITY OF THE PROPHET AND HIS SUNNAH. (In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful All praise be to Allah, and peace be upon His slaves whom He has chosen. Notes on the Hadith and Sunnah: The authority of the Prophet and his Sunnah 28.November.1995 1. It was among the duties of all messengers to make the message clear The Qur'an 14:4, {And We have never sent a messenger except with the tongue of his people that he might make clear to them.} 2. Allah Most High taught His Messenger and explained the Qur'an to him The Qur'an 75:16-19, {Move not your tounge with it to hasten it. Surely it is upon Us to gather it and to recite it. So, when We recite it, follow its recitation. Then surely it is upon Us to make it clear.} The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know before.} 3. Among the duties of the Messenger of Allah is to teach the Book and the wisdom The Qur'an 16:44, {And We have sent down unto you the revelations (al-Dhikr ) that you might make clear to humankind that which has been sent down to them.} The Qur'an 62:2, {He it is who has sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own; to recite unto them His ayah-s (verses), and to purify them, and to teach them the Book and the wisdom.} 4. Allah has inspired His Messenger the wisdom The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know before.} The Qur'an 33:34, {And mention that which is recited in your houses of the ayah-s of Allah and the wisdom.} The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration (wahy) that is inspired.} 5. Allah has guided and protected His Messenger from any error The Qur'an 42:52-53, {. . . and surely you guide unto a straight path. The path of Allah . . .} The Qur'an 68:4, {And surely you are upon a mighty morality.} The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration that is inspired.} The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah. . .} 6. Allah has commanded us to submit fully to the authority of His Messenger and to obey him The Qur'an 4:65, {But nay, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you the judge of what is in dispute between them, then they shall find in themselves no dislike of that which you have decreed, and submit in full submission.} The Qur'an 33:36, {It is not for a believing man nor a believing women, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in their affair; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely gone astray in manifest error.} The Qur'an 4:59, {O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.} The Qur'an 3:32, {Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.} The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah, and whoever turns away--We have not send you as a watcher over them.} 7. Allah has commanded us to take His Messenger as the perfect example and to follow him The Qur'an 3:31-32, {Say: If you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.} The Qur'an 33:21, {Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.} 8. Allah has promised good reward for those who obey and follow His Messenger The Qur'an 4:69, {Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger--they are with those whom Allah has shown favor, of the prophets, the truthful, the martyrs and the rigthous; and the best of company are they!} 9. Allah has promised punishment for those who disobey His Messenger The Qur'an 24:63, {. . . So let those who go against his (the Prophet) command beware, lest a trial befall them, or there befall them a painful chastisement.} The Qur'an 4:115, {And whoever opposes the Messenger after the guidance has been manifested unto him, and follows other than the believers' way, We appoint for him that unto which he has turned, and expose him him unto hell--a hapless journey's end!} The Qur'an 72:23, {. . . And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely his is hell-fire, wherin such dwell forever.} 10. Allah has promised to guard His religion, Islam The Qur'an 15:9, {Surely it is We who have sent down the revelations (al-Dhikr), and We surely are its Guardian.} The Qur'an 5:3, {. . . Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My favor upon you, and have approved for you Islam as religion. . .} The Qur'an 3:19, {Verily, the religion with Allah is Islam. . .} The Qur'an 3:85, {And whoever seeks other than Islam as religion, it will not be accepted from him; and in the Hereafter, he will be among the losers.} The Qur'an 9:33, 61:9, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, even though the disbelievers are averse.} The Qur'an 48:28, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, and Allah suffices as a Witness.} A k r a m Y S a f a d i Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA. ___________________________ Brothers/sisters in the house! Ahmed believes that ther will be A MESSENGER after our prophet. Now you check with me this HADITH .(FROM MUSLIM). THE FINALITY OF ALLAH'S APOSTLE (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) Book 30, Number 5677: Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The similitude of mine and that of the Apostles is like that of a person who built a house and he completed it and made it perfect but for the space of a brick. People entered therein and they were surprised at it and said: Had there been a brick (it would have been complete in all respects). Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I am that place where the brick (completing the building is to be placed), and I have come to finalise the chain of Apostles. Also AHMED said the prophet was sinner AND let us hear WHAT HIS WIFE A-ISHA SAID: THE HATRED OF ALLAH'S APOSTLE (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) AGAINST SIN AND THE ADOPTING OF A COURSE OF ACTION WHICH IS EASIER TO ADOPT FROM AMONGST THE PERMISSIBLE ACTS Book 30, Number 5752: 'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), said that whenever he had to choose between two things he adopted the easier one, provided it was nor sin, but if it was any sin he was the one wio was the farthest from it of the people; and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) never took revenge from anyone because of his personal grievance, unless what Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, had made inviolable had been violated.
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Ilaahay Baa Mahad iyo Xamdi Mudan "Wa Mina Naasi Man Yaquulu Aamanna Bil Allahi Wa Bil Yoomil Al-Akhiri Wa Maahum Bil Mu'miniina" (2:8) Dadka waxaa ka mid ah kuwo dhaha "Waxaan rumaynay Ilaahay iyo Maalinta Aakhiro" mase aha kuwo Rumeeyay ama Muminiin ah. "Wa Idaa Qiila Aaminuu Kamaa Aamana Al-Naasu Qaaluu Annuminu Kamaa Aamana Al-Sufahaa'u. Alaa Innahum Humu Alsufahaa'u Wa Laakin Laa Yacqiluun" (2:13) Haddii lagu dhaho war u rumeeya sida dadku u rumeeyeen waxay oran "Ma waxaan u rumaynaa sida nacasyadu u rumeeyeen?" Ma garanayaan ee waxaa dhab ah inay iyagu yihiin doqomo. Waxaad qortay Saturday, January 22, 2000 - 09:05 am *Prophets*)(NABIYIINA)...instead of (ANBIYAA)! Walaalkiin tried to play the old game and say that *Anbiyaa* means *nebiyiina* -- hahahahahah, no no...and 1000 times no. Suratul-Anbiya...is named “Anbiya” for its continues record of Messengers and Prophets. It deals with both Messengers and Prophets...and thus the perfect word for it would be *Anbiya* instead of *NABIYIINA*; I have heard many people translate it as *Prophets*---even submitters. So, it is either my Arabic teacher taught me bad what the word meant...or somebody is playing a scrubbin` tricks!haha! Somebody, also, i’m not sure if it’s Umar or Walaalkiin, said that “every messenger can be a Prophet, but not every prophet can be a messenger”---this is, once again, the game of the old. It has no base in the Qur`an...IF SO, I beg to see it! Waxaan qoray Wednesday, January 12, 2000 - 01:37 pm: Fiiro Gaar ah: Qoraagu MUNAAFAQ AHI wuxuu isku dayayaa in uu labo macno u kala yeelo NEBIYIINA iyo ANBIYAA. Wuxuu rabaa in uu ku doodo Aayadu Waxay leedahay "KHAATIMU NEBIYIINA" ee ma aha "KHAATIMAL ANBIYAA" sidaa darteedna Nebi Maxamed (SCW) ma aha 'KHAATIMAL ANBIYAA' Gablantay Hooyadaa! Bal marka hore muu barto macnaha Nebi, Nebiyiin iyo Anbiyaa. Nebi waa qof Ilaahay Karaamo siiyay oo loo WAXYIYAY. Waxyina Ilaahay Buu Ka Yimaadaa. Nebiyiin waa Wadarta NEBI ama labo Nebi iyo ka badan. Anbiyaa Waa wadarta Nebi hase yeeshee waxaa ku jira RUSUL. Nebiga kasta oo WAXYI u yimaado ma aha RASUUL Ilaahay ka sida FARIIN. Hase yeeshee RASUUL kasta waa NEBI. Hadaba ANBIYAA waa Nebiyo loo WAXYOODAY iyo RASUUL Risaalo sida. Waxaad qortay “Walaalkiin tried to play the old game and say that *Anbiyaa* means *nebiyiina* -- hahahahahah, no no...and 1000 times no.” Waxaan ku dhihi Adigaa Qoray “Suratul-Anbiya...is named “Anbiya” for its continues record of Messengers and Prophets. It deals with both Messengers and Prophets...and thus the perfect word for it would be *Anbiya* instead of *NABIYIINA*” Anigaa Qoray “Hadaba ANBIYAA waa Nebiyo loo WAXYOODAY iyo RASUUL Risaalo sida.” Adigaa qoray: thus Anbiya(is)both Messengers and Prophets Anigaa qoray: hadaba Anbiyaa (waa) Nebiyo iyo Rasuul. Maxaad kor dhisay oo aan ahayn in aad naftaada dhibto? Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Waxaad ku dooday ">>Messenger is a being who confirms what came before him...and who does not bring a new revelation. >>Prophet is a being who brings NEW thing(BOOK)..." Waxaad soo daliilsatay Aayadan Kariimka ah: "Wa Ith Akhada Allahu Miithaaqa Al-Nebiyiina Lamaa Aataytukum Min Kittaabi Wa Xikmatin Thuma Jaa'akum Rasuulun Musadiqan Lama Macakum La-Tu'minuna Bihi, Wa La-Tansuranahu. Qala Aaqarartum Wa Akhadtum Calaa Thalikum Is-rii. Qaaluu Aqrarnaa. Qala Fash-haduu Wa Ana Macakum Mina Shaahidiin"(3:81) Ma garan markii Ilaahay La Galay Nebiyada Heshiis "Waxaan Idin Siiyay Kitaab iyo Xikmad hadaba MARKUU idiin yimaado Rasuul rumaynaya waxa aad haysataan waa in aad raacdaan waadna u gargaaraysaan. Ilaahay Wuxuu Ku Yiri Sidaas Ma Igula Galaysaan Ballan Adag. Waxay yiraahdeen Sidaas baan qiraynaa in aan aqbalnay. Wuxuu Ku Yiri Ilaahay Sidaa Markhaati Ka Noqda Anna Waxaan Idin La Ahay Marag. [3:81 Behold! Allah took the covenant of the PROPHETS, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a MESSENGER, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."] Ilaahaygii Qur'aanka Soo Dejiyay Ee Aan U Yeelin Qalqalooc Baa Mahad iyo Hamdi Mudan. Bal Aayadan aad soo daliilsatay keebaa wata arrin cusub "PROPHETS" iyo "MESSENGER?" Keebaa labadooda loo galay ballan adag in la raaco oo loo gargaaro? Waxaad xoogga saartay (emphasized) erayada "PROPHETS" iyo "MESSENGER". Waxay ahayd in aad dhuuxdo macnaha Aayadda. Tiirka Aayaddu (emphasis) waa ereyga "thuma" ama "THEN". Murtidu waxaa weeye in Nebigu ku dhaqmo Kitaabka iyo Xikmadda Ilaahay Siiyay ee loogu soo dhiibay Rasuul ka horeeyay ama la jooga. MARKII (THEN) uu u keeno Rasuul kale KITAAB iyo XIKMAD rumaynaysa midka ay haystaan WAA IN ay rumeeyaan Rasuulka Cusub isla markaasna garab iyo gaashaan u noqdaan. Nebigu wuxuu raacaa oo garab u noqdaa Rasuul Nebi ah. Ee ma aha sida qaloocan ee aad rabto in aad naga gado. Innii Kafartu Bi Rasuulin Yatii Bacda Muxamed Bin Cabdullahi Sallalaahu Calayhi WaSalim Wa Bil Alladii Tantadirhu. Tan xigta Aayadan waxay ka mid tahay dhawr Aayadood oo Ilaahay Noogu Sheegay Wixii Dhexmaray Rasuulkeena Suuban Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Salim iyo Yuhuudda Ilaahay Nacladay. Inta aanan u gelin Fasiraadda Aayadahaas bal sii akhriso Suuradda : Ala Cimraan (3) Aayadaha: 58 - 89 Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Walaalkiin asagaa aayada iska fasirtay...balse waxaa ka daran wuxuu ku ag-fasiray english mid ah oo tiisa ka hor imaanaysa; [Ma garan markii Ilaahay La Galay Nebiyada Heshiis "Waxaan Idin Siiyay Kitaab iyo Xikmad hadaba MARKUU idiin yimaado Rasuul rumaynaya waxa aad haysataan waa in aad raacdaan waadna u gargaaraysaan. Ilaahay Wuxuu Ku Yiri Sidaas Ma Igula Galaysaan Ballan Adag. Waxay yiraahdeen Sidaas baan qiraynaa in aan aqbalnay. Wuxuu Ku Yiri Ilaahay Sidaa Markhaati Ka Noqda Anna Waxaan Idin La Ahay Marag.] [3:81 Behold! Allah took the covenant of the PROPHETS, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a MESSENGER, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."] *"Waxaan Idin Siiyay Kitaab iyo Xikmad hadaba MARKUU idiin yimaado Rasuul rumaynaya waxa aad haysataan waa in aad raacdaan waadna u gargaaraysaan.* THAT is NOT waxa aayadu dhahayso. "waxaan idin siinayaa kitaab iyo xikmad, ka dib waxaa idiin imanaya Rasuul caddaynaya* waxa idin-la jira" LABADA si isku mid miyaa??? Aayaadka Alle been lagama sheego. Ereyada; "musadiqan limaa macakum" waa "oo run ka sheegaya waxa idinla jira" *musadiqan* ereyga kaliya oo si wanaagsan u qaban kara waa *cadaynaya*(*confirming* -- as Awil Hashi of Somali dictionary says!) Mida kale, sababta Nebiyada Alle balanta ula galayo waxay tahay sababtoo ah Nebiyada waa kuwa RUSUSHA qaarkeed ah oo kutubta la siiyay -- Rasuuladana...waa kuwa RUSUSHA qaarkeed ah oo Kutubta la siinin. Marka, taas waxay ku tusaysaa in waxa ugu dambeeya ay tahay RASUUL -- Rasuul cadeeya nebiyadii ka horeeyay Kutubtooda. Nebi Muxammad(scw) asagaa Nebi ahaa oo kutub iyo xikmad la siiyay. Marka sidee buu asaga kutubkiisa u cadeenayaa??? waa in Rasuul yimaado -- Alle soo diray oo cadeeya in Nebi Muxammad Alle siiyay kutub iyo xikmad. Dadka intaas ka horeeyana...waa inay aaminaan in Nebi Muxammad la siiyay kutub iyo xikmo sidii nebi kasta oo ka horeeyay ay dadkiisa waajib ugu ahayd. Waxaad tiri; "Nebigu wuxuu raacaa oo garab u noqdaa Rasuul Nebi ah. Ee ma aha sida qaloocan ee aad rabto in aad naga gado." WWWWHHHHAAAATTTT??? Bal lets read the Qur`an; [3.39 While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahyá, (John)witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous."] THUS, John was a Prophet, correct? But, God gives him a BOOK; "12. (To his son came the command): "O John! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth, 13. And pity (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout, 14. And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious." chapter 19. And Jesus, who came after him, whom John was witness of...brought HIS OWN Book. ALSO, read the following verse; "2.213 Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight." SO, most certainly, the differences between MANKIND is that of the Prophets(because of coming with BOOKS and new laws that differ from the preceeding ones) HOWEVER, we know that there people whom God sends who do not bring Books -- these people are called MESSENGERS. Because of everything that comes from God being Messengers, those who do not bring Books remain just Messengers...where those who bring books become PROPHETS! CERTAINLY...a Messenger and a Prophet are NOT the same; "22.52 Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:" Waxaad tiri; "Tiirka Aayaddu (emphasis) waa ereyga "thuma" ama "THEN". Murtidu waxaa weeye in Nebigu ku dhaqmo Kitaabka iyo Xikmadda Ilaahay Siiyay ee loogu soo dhiibay Rasuul ka horeeyay ama la jooga. MARKII (THEN) uu u keeno Rasuul kale KITAAB iyo XIKMAD rumaynaysa midka ay haystaan WAA IN ay rumeeyaan Rasuulka Cusub isla markaasna garab iyo gaashaan u noqdaan." HUH? What are you talking about??? Muxuu ILAAHAY u xasuusinayaa Muhammad(pbuh) hadii ay sheekada sida aad sheegayso ay tahay????? [33:7. And remember We took from the Prophets their Covenant: As from you: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.] Maxaa loo xasuusinayaa Muxammad hadii uu yahay *Rasuulka* ugu dambeeya???? OY VEY! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabbed iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato "4.163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms." *TO NOAH AND THE MESSENGERS AFTER HIM* I wonder if Aaron is there...hhhmmmm, eiping my world. This verse ALSO shows the sincere Muslim that every everything GOD sends is a Messenger -- Because God uses the word; "THE TRIBES" which had Messengers and Prophets. So, MOST certainly, everything that comes FROM God is a Messenger! ***** More for your eidolon******************** Sidaadii ereyga kuu gambiya waa “WAXYI” ama “inspiration” Webster’s Universal College Dictionary Inspiration, n. 1. An inspiring or animating action or influence. 2. Something inspired, as an idea. 3. A result of inspired activity. 5. Theol. A divine influence directly and immediately exerted upon the mind or soul. ********Dhagayso Aayadaha Kariimka ah********** “Rafiicu Al-Darajaati Thul Al-Carshi Yulqii Al-Ruxu Min Amrihi Calaa Man Yashaa’u Min Cibaadihi, Liyun-thira Yaama Al-Talaaqi”(40:15) Ilahaay Carshiga Leh Ayaa Leh Saraynta Adoomadiisana Ciddii Uu Doono Kor Buu U Qaadaa oo Wuxuu Tuuraa Amarkiisa. “Wa Aw Xaynaa Ilaa Umi Muusaa”(28:7) Waxaan U Waxyoonay Muuse Hooyadii “Ith Aw Xaynaa Ilaa Umika Maa Yuuxaa”(20:38) Markii Aan U Waxayoonay Hooyadaa “Fa Arsalnaa Ilayhaa Ruuxinaa Fa Tamathal Lahaa Basharan Sawiya”(19:17) Ka dibna Waxaan U Soo Dirnay Ruuxayaga oo Isaga Soo Dhigay Qof dad ah. “Fa Naadaahaa Min Tax-tihaa Allaa Tax-zanii Qad Jacala Rabuki Tax-taka Sariya”(9:24) Waxaa looga yeeray hoosteed in ayna murugoon Hubaal Eebaheed Baa Hoosteeda Ka Yeelay Durdur. “Fa Kharaja Calaa Qawmihi Min Al-Mixraabi Fa Awxaa Ilayhim An Sabixuu Bukratan Wa Cashiya”(19:10) Markaas buu Mixraabka uga soo baxay bulshadiisa wuxuuna u timaamay in ay Subaxii iyo Fiidkiiba Ilaahay U Tasbiixiyaan. Nebi waa loo Waxyaadaa. Nebi Haruun Calayhi Salaam Ilaahay Baa u Waxyooday. Rasuul waa loo Waxyoodaa. Nebi Muuse Calayhi Salaam Ilaahay Baa U Waxyooday Wuxuuna Uga Daray Risaalo (Kitaab iyo Xikmad). Ilaahay Ciddii Uu Doono Ayuu u Waxyoodaa Mayama Calayhaa Salaam Ilaahay Baa U Waxyooday Muuse Hooyadiisna Calayhaa Salaam Ilaahay Baa U Waxyooday Dadka, Jiniga iyo Shaydaankuna khuraafaad iyo kutiri ku teen bay isu tilmaamaan. SIDAADA OO KALE. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato "I give you a Book and Wisdom" "Waxaan Idin Siiyay Kitaab iyo Xikmad" 'I am giving you a Book and Wisdom" "waxaan idin siinayaa kitaab iyo xikmad" Sidq: Sadaqa: Musadiqan Run. Rumeeyay, Run sheeg. Rumayn, sugid. confirm: to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness of; Truth: n. 1. the true or actual state of a matter: to tell the truth (which you do not). 2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: to check the truth of a statement (which you do not). 9. agreement with standard or original (which you disregard. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Naxariista Ilaahay lagama QUUSTO bal akhriso Aayadahan Kariimka ah waa intaas Oo Ilaahay Kugu Anfacaaye. CARSE haddii aad wax garad tahay ka hel jawaabta dooda ah in Nebi Maxamed Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Salim uusan ahayn nin waxna aan qorin waxna aan akhriyin. RABANAA LAA TUSIQ QULUUBANAA BACDA ITH HADAYTANAA. ACUUDU BILLAAHI SAMIICUL CADIIM MINA SHAYDAANI RAJIIM. BISMILLAAHI RAXMAANI RAXIIM: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. In like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture, and those unto whom We gave the Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these (also) there are some who believe therein. And none deny Our revelations save the disbelievers. And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood. But it is clear revelations in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge, and none deny Our revelations save wrong-doers. And they say: Why are not portents sent down upon him from his Lord ? Say: Portents are with Allah only, and I am but a plain warner. Is it not enough for them that We have sent down unto thee the Scripture which is read unto them ? Lo! herein verily is mercy, and a reminder for folk who believe. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Allah sufficeth for witness between me and you. He knoweth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who believe in vanity and disbelieve in Allah, they it is who are the losers. [al-`Ankabut 29:46- 52] * And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they go apart one with another they say: Prate ye to them of that which Allah hath disclosed to you that they may contend with you before your Lord concerning it ? Have ye then no sense ? Are they then unaware that Allah knoweth that which they keep hidden and that which they proclaim ? Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess. Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby. And they say: The Fire (of punishment) will not touch us save for a certain number of days. Say: Have ye received a covenant from Allah - truly Allah will not break His covenant - or tell ye concerning Allah that which ye know not ? [al-Baqarah 2:76-80] Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! OH, BROTHER! OY VEY! Live and learn! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu Caleykum Brothers and Sisters. I asked this question previously; Why is Ahmad trying to unhinge and uproot the very foundations of same religion he/she alleges to believe in? I had opined, it would make a lot of sense if what this guy is doing (attacking Islam) were coming from a declared ENEMY of Islam. However, he is a ‘Muslim’ scandalising and undermining Islam. Now it is obvious this man is a man with a (paid) mission: not only to disparage and belittle the status of Hadith vis-à-vis Islam, but surely, in an escalating manner, to disqualify and invalidate Islam as a whole, as we have known for 1400 years. Yaa Muslims, we have seen how a lot brothers and sisters (I really sympathise) have tried in vain to convince and persuade Ahmad in the hope of redeeming Ahmad from his own perverted and twisted mind-set. What is shocking is that instead of achieving what brother Ansaari called ‘in bal Ilaahay ninkan soo hanuuniyo’, Ahmad has continued (with much more impunity) to write spurious falsehoods and derogatory epithets about everything Islam. Consequently, the debate has spiralled from questioning the authority of the hadith to attacks on Prophet Mohamed himself to blaspheming Islam and NOW THE CLAIM OF MESSENGERHOOD BY AHMAD HIMSELF! Now my question is MUST we continue to debate with this mad person? Yaa Muslimiin. Don’t you think we are giving him undue attention? I mean, by continuing to debate with him, are we not giving his sick ideas undeserved life and currency? Need we continue to prove the impossibility of reasoning with Ahmad? What is there that is left to know about Ahmad the submitter? Truly it is my considered opinion that this unfortunate episode has to end. In which case I suggest we IGNORE Ahmad. Quarantine is the word! Wassalaamu Caleykum. Psst. What does the SomaliNet forums rules say about: 1. Someone blaspheming Islam? 2. Someone using their forums to spread spurious and mad theories? 3. Someone preaching falsehoods? 4. Someone gaining financially from his participation is their forums?
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| | Unrecorded Date Waxaan layaabanahay ninkan "muran" jaceylkiisa. Waa nin faaskiisa watoo, doonayo in lugaha looga jaro. La arkee meesha ay geyso!.
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu Calaykum Yaa ikhwati filcaqiida; Bashir Abdi, Ansaari, Mu'mun. Waxaan uu malaynayaa in aan u dhaadhacnay guntii ugu hoosaysay ee Arinta AHAMAD-GAAL, ama ha is qariyo ama ha is muujiyee. Su'aalo aan hadda ka kor isweydiinay ayaa iminka dhawaaqooddu soo xoogaysanayaa, kuwaas oo ah: Waa Maxay Ujeedooyinka AHMAD-YUHUUDI? Halkeese ayey SomaliNet ka taagan yihiin? Inkasta oo la igu eedooyo in aan somalinet aad u critize-gareeyo, hada waxaan marka kale ku celinayaa su'aalo hore aan isku weydiinay oo aan jawaab loo helin? markasta oo diinta wax laga sheegaba waxaa laguu reserv-garaynayaa more Memory-space, Markaa Arinta somaliNet maxay tahay? Wali maskaxdooddu ma waxay u shaqaynaysaa sidii in ay soomaaliya joogaan oo kale?Ma hal dhibaato oo soomaalida laga dagaalamo ayaa jirta, QABIIL?miyaysan fahamsanayn Cyber-Cultures cusub mise wixii hore(qabiil) ayuun bay iska ilaalinayaan? mida kale ANAGU(service Users) Maxaanu nahay? miyeysan haba yaraatee Codkayaga maqlaynin?????? Aad iyo aad baan uga xumahay, in SomaliNet ay lumiso dad aanan jeclayn in ay lumiso, waayo just Market-ka iyaga oo kaliya ma joogaan, Hadii aan ka heli weyno wixii aan ka rabnay........... simple We disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!!, How many gurus and intelligent persons we have lost so far?? Cidna ma jecla in meesha diinta lagu caayayo ay maalinba shaqo ka dhigato, Anagoo awooddi karna in aan xal deg deg ah helno. Wakhti Intee le'eg ayey dooddani Inaga qaadatay???..... Miisaan Islaami ah hadii ayno saarnose.... ma u qalantaa in Wakhti intaa le'eg lagu dayaco?Ma jecli Maskaxdda Ummadda in lagu lumiyo wax aan haba yaraatee Faa'iiddo u keenaynin, isla mar ahaantaana ka dayaca wakhtigoodda. Millions of other issues oo u baahan ayaa jira in maskaxdda dadka halkan isugu timaadda iyo wakhtigoodda la galiyo. Gabagabadii iyo Gunaanadkii, Haddii SomaliNet ay wax habayaraate arintan marin habaabinta iyo ceebaynta diinta wax ka qaban weyso, Markaa waxaan u arkaa in qof walbaa oo isagu iskii talaabaddii la gudboon markaa ka qaado, Personally Wakhti uma hayo, in aan dood bilaa micno ah ku lumiyo saacaddo intaa le'eg, Muranka iyo Doodda aan faa'iidadda lahayna meesha ay Islaamka ka joogto waan naqaanaa, Inta aayadood ee Qur'aanka ku soo aroortayna waad taqaanaan ee ku wajahan sida loola tacaamulayo "Jaahiliinta", Munaafiqiinta, Dabadhilifka, iyo Kufaaradda guud ahaanba. Waxaan jeclaan lahaan in SomaliNet people, ay Customer-Care, course-ku saabsan qaataan, si ay u ogaadaan bal Cidda ay u adeegayaanba, waxaanse u malaynayaa in somalinet people ay maskaxdooddu ku nooshahay wali " marketing of 1920s ", kaas oo ahaa "people will buy whatever you offer to them ". maantase maxaa la marayaa....... customer oriented marketing age!!!!!!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Yaska brother. tHIS IS WHY ahmed is saying NABIGA UMMI MAAHEYN. check this website www.submission.org/mo-write.html from which you can see AHMED GAAL copied submitters word by word. Here Is what they have. Welcome to Submission Your best source of ISLAM (SUBMISSION) on the WWW In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Prophet Muhammad Wrote God's Revelations With His Own Hand The first revelation was "Read," and included the statement "God teaches by means of the pen" (96:1-4), and the second revelation was "The Pen" (68:1). The only function of the pen is to write. Ignorant Muslim scholars of the first two centuries after the Quran could not understand the Quran's challenge to produce anything like it. They had no idea about the Quran's mathematical composition, and they knew that many literary giants could have composed works comparable to the Quran. In fact, many such literary giants did claim the ability to produce a literary work as excellent as the Quran. The latest claim came from Taha Hussein, the renowned Egyptian writer. The ignorant Muslim scholars then decided to proclaim Muhammad an illiterate man! They figured that this would make the Quran's extraordinary literary excellence truly miraculous. The word they relied on to bestow illiteracy upon the Prophet was "UMMY." Unfortunately for those "scholars," this word clearly means "Gentile," or one who does not follow any scripture (Torah, Injeel, or Quran) [see 2:78, 3:20 & 75, 62:2]; it does NOT mean "illiterate." The Prophet was a successful merchant. The "Muslim scholars" who fabricated the illiteracy lie forgot that there were no numbers during the Prophet's time; the letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. As a merchant dealing with numbers every day, the Prophet had to know the alphabet, from one to one-thousand. The Quran tells us that Muhammad wrote down the Quran - Muhammad's contemporaries are quoted as saying, "These are tales from the past that he wrote down. They are being dictated to him day and night" (25:5). You cannot "dictate" to an illiterate person. The Prophet's enemies who accuse him of illiteracy abuse Verse 29:48, which relates specifically to previous scriptures. On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (2:97, 17:1, 44:3, 53:1-18, 97:1-5). Subsequently, the angel Gabriel helped Muhammad release a few verses of the Quran at a time, from the soul to Muhammad's memory. The Prophet wrote down and memorized the verses just released into his mind. When the Prophet died, he left the complete Quran written down with his own hand in the chronological order of revelation, along with specific instructions as to where to place every verse. The divine instructions recorded by the Prophet were designed to put the Quran together into the final format intended for God's Final Testament to the world (75:17). The early Muslims did not get around to putting the Quran together until the time of Khalifa Rashed `Uthmaan. A committee was appointed to carry out this task. AHMED MEESHA UU WAX KASOO KOOBBIYO DHAN ANAA NOO KEENAAYA. INSHALLAAH.
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| | Unrecorded Date Yaa muslimiin AHMED meeshuu wax kasoo koobiyo kaalaya arka. Intuu afsoomaali ku dhex daro ayuu iska dhigaa NIN ISGA QOREY. TUUG LA QABTEY TALO MALEH. I am not SUBMITTER, Call It AHMODOLOGY! Hey AHMED, what did you think WE ARE GAALYOHOW IBLIISKA DHASHIISA AH. http://www.submission.org/eve.html http://www.submission.org/jews.html http://www.submission.org/mo-write.html Saddexdaas waa saddexdii mawduuc oo ahaa. SALAADDA. Ahmed waatuu ku doodey in salaadda sida yuhuudda loo tukado oo nabi mahammed waxba la imaan. Walaalayaaloow hitaaa sawirro ayaa ku yaal. Muslims blame EVE like christians do. oo aan aragney. IYO MOWDUUCAN OO CINWAANAK UU KA BADDALEY OO AHAAN LAHAA. Mohammed wrote the QURAN hase yeeshee wuu beddeley si loo aqristo. suit yourselves gys.
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Anigu waxaan aad uga soo horjeedaa in qof bin Aadam ah (gaar ahaan Soomaali) ah lagu tilmaamo gaalnimo. Waxaan diidanahay in koox yari af hayeen u noqoto DIINTA ILAAHAY oo iyagu noqdaan kuwa looga dambeeyo ISLAAMINADA oo ciddii ay doonaan ka saaraan ciddii ay doonaanna ku tilmaamaan Mu'min. "Laa Ikraaha Fi Diin" waajibka haddii aynu Muslim nahay na saaran waa "Idcuu Ilaa Sabiili Rabbika Fil Xikmati Wa Mawcidatul Xasanaha" iyo "Wa Qul Li-Naasi Xusnaa." Waxaana horay ula dooday walaalo ku tilmaamay qoraaga furan mawaadicnaa GAAL iyo YAHUUD. Markii uu Lahaa "Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah Muxamed Rasuul Allah" waxaan lahaa "maya ha dhihina walaalkiin Gaal." Markiise aan u arkay in uu xad gudub ku sameeyay tiirarka Islaamka oo uu isku dayo in uu Ilaahay iyo Rasuulkiisa Sallalaahu Calayhi Wasalim kala qaybiyo waxaan ku tilmaayo in uusan ahayn Gaal ee uu yahay MUNAAFAQ. Haddii Gaal iyo Munaafaq ay noqotana waad garaynaysaan kan ba'an oo cadaabta meesha ugu hoosaysa ku waaraya! Hadda Munaafaqu wuxuu marayaa in uu yiraahdo Nebi Maxamed (SCW) ma ahayn Rasuul oo waxaan sugayaa Rasuul ii saxa Nebinimada Nebi Maxamed. Waxaan ku dhihi "Alla Ku Qabay!" Waxaan filayaa in doodani muujisay waxa uu Munaafaqu la guurayay. Hase ahaatee waxaan u arkaa in ay tahay daawo. Haddii markii ugu horaysayba afka (gacanta) la qaban lahaa dad aan anigu ku jiro ayaa waxaan ku doodi lahayn waa kaas "xag jir iyo seef la bood" baan ogolayn in arrigti tooda ka duwan la keeno. Haddii SomaliNet ay diidi lahayd doodan sida ay u diido doodaha "Qabiilka" waxaan u arkaa in golahan noqon lahaa mid aan wax laga kororsan. Waxaan qabaa in SomaliNet ogolaato in laga doodo faa'ido iyo khasaaro wax "qabiil" iyo "qabyaalad" leedahay. Haddii doodu furan tahay isagaa is gawrici oo har cad dharka iska dhigi qofkii aan wax isku hayn sida uu Munaafaqani isu galay. Haddiise afka (gacanta) la is qabto ma gaarayno go'aan cilmi iyo qancin ku dhisan. Hadda Munaafaqu wuxuu sheegtay in uusan aamin sanayn "Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah Maxamed Rasuul Allah" madaama uusan qirsanayn in Maxamed yahay Rasuul Allah. Sidaa darteed waxaan hubaa in uusan heli doonin qof u garaaba ama yiraahdo "war ka hara ama iska daaya" ee qof walboo qoraalkiisa akhriyaa dhihi "hooyadaa gablanatay." "Innaa Naxnu Nazalnaa Thikr Wa Innaa Lahu Xaafiduuna." Ha u baqin DIINTA ILAAHAY Ilaahay baa ku filan difaaceeda. Ilaahay Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed- Aren't you afraid of judgement day- you are so arrogant in you "knowledge"- you interpret- and generalize. Aren't you afraid of ALLAH (SWT)- when you so question his most beloved- Prophet Muhammed. Aren't you afraid of deviating from the truth in you rigid and arrogant interpretations. The Prophet and Messenger Muhammed (pbuh) was the LAST prophet and messenger of ALLAH (SWT). The Qura'an is his miracle. The reason why he was "unlettered" is to avoid any suspicion of his authorship. The qura'an is the final and COMPLETE teachings of ALLAH (SWT). It can not be changed and ALLAH(SWT) said in the qura'an- that He will protect the qura'an. There will not be another messenger. Do not get lost in 'simantics"- remember the saying- the road to hell is paved with good intentions- and the "devil is in the details" Be humble- you don't know everything. Don't be so final in your judgement. Allah forgive me if I err and guide me to His truth- always and forever. Amen.
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| | Unrecorded Date Walaalkiis. Don't worry. I don't call qof muslim gaal except AHMED and I have a good reason to call him. His being somali has no reservation for me. I wish he was from some other nation. Haddii AXMED ka toobadkeeno been abuurka iyo barbagaandada rasuulka uu ku wado I take back my saying. I don't ask forgiveness AHMED, I ask ALLAH, HE IS THE ALL FORGIVER and THE JUDGE OF ALL BEINGS. As long as AHMED copies SUBMITTERS who are GAALO, I can call AHMED anything unislamic. If you visit the below websites AND DOUBLE CHECK ALL. --SALAADDA. oo cinwaanka labaad ah. --MUSLIMS BLAME EVE LIKE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. oo kan koowaad ah. --MUHAMMAD'S STUTAS oo ah kan saddexaad isagana uu u ka rogey sida asalka ah ee SUBMITTERSKA ay qoreen oo aheyd MUHAMMAD WROTE THE QURAN. Intaa ka dib bal adigu ama muslim dheh ama ha dhihin waa adiga iyo iyo aragtidaada. We can have our differences respectfully, Because AHMED isagaba DADKA WAA GAALEEYEY markuu yiri"Ninki salliga aqriyo waa MUSHRIK". take care. http://www.submission.org/eve.html http://www.submission.org/jews.html http://www.submission.org/mo-write.html
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Ilaahay Baa Quluubta Daalacda oo Xukunkeeda leh. Inaguna ficil aan ku aragnay qof iyo hadal uu ku dhawaaqay baan ku xukunnaa. Haddii ay sidaa tahay walaal Bashir Abdiyow shaki iigama jiro in qoraaga aynu ka doodayno in uu ka baxay xadkii Islaamka. Anigu waxaan leeyahay GAAL ma aha haddii GAAL la macno yahay KAAFIR. Waayo qoraagani ma KAAFIR ee waa MUNAAFAQ. MUNAAFAQ siduu na baray Suubanow Nebigeenu waa qof laabtiisa iyo carabkiisu isla socon. Ilaahayn Wuxuu Noo Sheegay in ay Munaafiqiintu dhihi: Waxaan Qiraynaa in Nebi Maxamedow (SCW) aad tahay Rasuulkii Ilaahay. Ilaahayna Subxaanuhu Wa Tacaalaa oo Qalbigooda waxa ku jir Og Baa U Sheegay Rasuulkiisa in ay beentooda tahay. Maxaa Beentooda ah? Ma in Nebi Maxamed(SCW) yahay Rasuul Ilaahay? Mise in hadalkooda uu san ka dhab ahayn? Ilaahay Baa Qiraya in Nebi Maxamed (SCW) yahay Rasuulka Ilaahay Yahay. Hadaba waxay Munaafiqiintu been ku sheegeen waa hadalka ay ku leeyihiin Nebi Maxamed (SCW) waa Rasuul Ilaahay iyagoo og in ayna dhab ka ahayn oo Rumaynta in Nebi Maxamed (SCW) yahay Rasuulka Ilaahay ayna ka soo gu'in laabtooda. Hadaba qoraagan oo afka ka leh Nebi Maxamed (SCW) waa Rasuul Ilaahay hadana leh Nebi Maxamed (SCW) wuxuu ahaa nin waalan oo lagu jiro oo quruumo ka dul dhawaaqaan ma aha GAAL ee MUNAAFAQ. "Innal Munaafiqiina Fii Darakil Asfali Mina Alnaar" Ilaahay Ha Inaga Koriyo Isagaan Magan U Nahay. Ilaahay Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Waan ku raacsanahay sida uu Walaalkiin yiri. Diinta in laga hadlo waa fiican tahay. dad badan baa jira oo Soomaali ah oo hadkaan yimaada oo aan fursad u helin in ay diin ka hadlaan ama aan tegin meelaha diinta lagu sheego sida masaajidka. sidaas darteed haddii Soomaalidas halkaan yimaado ay arkaan dad ka hadlaayo diinta iyo kuwa wax ka sheegaayo way xiiseen ama qiiro ayaa galayso si ay uga fekiraan diinta micnaheeda. believe me, ninkaan meesha furey waa blessing in disguise. sida aad aragteen nin isaga wax ku raacsan oo soomaali ah ma jiro. This is one of the ways for most of the Somali good Muslims to talk about Islam. Arinkaan oo kale wuxuu keenaayaa diin barasho iyo diin ku dhiiro gal ee ma keeni karo diin ka bax. Sida dad badan cadeeyeen, ninkaan meesha furey waa nin munaafaq ah. waa is ogyahey in uu quraanka kaliya raacsanayn ee uu raacsan yahay ama isku fakir yihiin qolada uu ka soo koobiyeeyo warkooda. sida walaakeen Bashir uu u soo baarey meelaha uu ka soo koobiyo hadaladiisa isaga oo bedelaaya cinwaanka iyo wax yaalo kale waxay cadaynaysaa in uu ninkaan yahay qolada lagu sheego submitters. munaafaq ma is sheego waxa uu yahay ee waa uu is qariyaa. haddii uu isa sheego shaaca ayuu ka soo baxaayaa. munaafaqiinta waa beenlooyin sida la ogyahay.
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilahaay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Bisimka Boqorka Naxariista Iyo Raxmadda Badan baan ku Bilaabay Barakadiisa. Eebaha Isaga Mooyee Ayna Cid Kale Magantiisu Badbaadin Baan Ka Magan Galay Shaydaan iyo dhashiisa. Eebow Adoo Awood U Leh Ee Nagu Toosi Toobiyahaaga. Waxaa la yiri Galgalasho waran kaaga ma go'o. Weli doqonku ma garan in uu ka haro wax aan iska dhaaf qof wax bowsaday e aan caamada u cuntamayn. Wuxuu ku barooranayaa =+++++++== [3.39 While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahyá, (John)witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous."] THUS, John was a Prophet, correct? But, God gives him a BOOK; "12. (To his son came the command): "O John! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth, 13. And pity (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout, 14. And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious." chapter 19. =++++++== Subxaana Allah. Haddii Qur'aanku Ilaahay Mooyee Cid Kale Soo Dejin Lahayd Waxaad Ku Arki Lahaydeen Is-dhaaf iyo Iska Hor'imaad Badan. Ilaahay Baa Qaadir Ah Oo Markuu Damco In Uu Wax Falo Yiraahda "Kun" Ahaw Markaas Bay Ahayn Sidii Uu Damcay. Aayadaha Kariimka ee uu doqonku soo daliilsaday waxay noo sheegayaan sheekadii Nebiyu Allah Zakariya iyo Wiilkiisa Nebiyu Allah Yahye Calayhim Wa Calaa Nebiyunaa Al-Salaam. Nebi Zakiriya Calayhi Al-Salaam wuxuu ahaa gablan aan wax dhalin. Wuxuu soo barbaariyay Sayidatinaa Maryama Calayhaa Al-Salaam Nebi Ciise Hooyadii. Wuxuu ku arkay wax yaabo uu la yaabay gabadhan yar. Markuu waraystayna waxay xusuusisay Awoodda Eebaheen. Nebi Zakariya isagoo Nebi Allah ah ayay gabar yar ku beertay in uu Ilaahay Baryo oo dhal waydiisto Saa Ilaahay Waa Qaadir Aan Waxba Dhibin eh. Ilaahayow Gablannimo Ha Iiga Tagan buu Nebiga Alla ku ducaystay. Ducadii baa laga aqbalay oo loogu bishaareeyay wiil Yahye la yiraahdo oo aan hortii magacaa qof kale qaadan. Yahye oo noqon doona Nebi Alle. Nebi Zakariya Calayhi Al-Salaam isagoo og Awoodda Ilaahay kuna qanacsan in Wixii Ilaahay Damco ay tahay "Kun" Ahow oo keli ah ayuu hadana la yaabay in isagoo gaboobay oo habar ma dhalays ah qaba uu wiil u dhalan doono. Waa Sidaas Awoodda Ilaahay Baa Loogu Jawaabay. Bal u fiirso oo si fiican uga baaraan deg Macnaha Awoodda Ilaahay. Horay Aabaheen Adam Calayhi Al-Salaam Ayuu Dhoobo Uga Abuuray. Hooyadeen Xawo Calayhaa Al-Salaam Ayuu Adam Xubin Ka Mid Ah Ka Abuuray. Nebi Ibrahim Buu Isagoo Duqa oo Haween Da' Weyn Qaba Nebi Ismaaciil Calayhi Al-Salaam Ugu Deeqay Ka Bacdina Nebi Is-xaaq Calayhi Al-Salaam. Haddana Nebi Zakariya oo duqoobay oo ma dhalays qaba Ayuu Ilaahay Deeqsiga Ahaa Yahaye Ugu Bishaareeyay. Nebi Ciise Calayhi Al-Salaam oo ay isu da' dhawaayeen Nebi Yahyena Wuxuu Ugu Deeqay Gabar Bikro ah Oo Aan Nin U Tagin. Subxaana Xayi Al-Baaqi. Hadaba doqonka qaadani ma garan micnaha ay xambaarsan yihiin Aayadaha Kariimka Ah ee uu Soo Daliilsaday. Nebi Yahaye Calayhi Al-Salaam Waxaa Ilaahay Faray In Uu Qabsado Kitaabka. "Yaa Yahye Khudi Al-Kitaab Bil Quwah" "O John! take hold of the Book with might": Erayga sidiisii u gambiyay doqonkan garashada gaaban waa "Qabso" "Khud" "Hold" Hadaba aan fahanno Xikmadda iyo Macnaha "Khudi Al-Kitaaba Bil Quwah" Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said: "THUS, John was a Prophet, correct? But, God gives him a BOOK; "O John! take hold of the Book with might". But Ahmed does not know that prophet Yaxya(John) was not GIVEN a book of his OWN. Ahmed said: "God gives him a BOOK". However Allah said: "O Yaxya HOLD fast the BOOK" Now, what is the Book that Allah said to Yaxya HOLD FAST and NOT "gives"? The BOOK is the BOOK of MUUSE. When Allah said to Yaxya to HOLD FAST THE BOOK, this means to OBSERVE AND STUDY the BOOK---the BOOK of MUUSE. Ahmed does not know that YAXYA came after MUUSE and the rise of Christianity was preceded by a long period of four hundred years, during which PROPHECY was silent, and the religious guidance of the nation passed to the RABBIS of the children of Israel, who made VOID the LAW of Allah(the MUUSE'S BOOK) by their TRADITIONS. Allah commanded Yaxya to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE and not follow these RABBIS and their false TRADITIONS. Thus, prophet Yaxya was NOT given a BOOK of HIS own; He was told to FOLLOW and HOLD the BOOK of MUUSE. Ahmed and the Submitters want to BLIND themselves and others with their narrow-minded understanding of the QURAN. Ahmed and Submitters interject into the QURAN their own false understanding of it by saying every brother was GIVEN a BOOK.!!! ---- :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date correction: in the last sentence-----not every *brother*----but---every *prophet*. :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar. Brother, thanks.
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear Brothers and sisters From the first minute I had seen Ahmad’s comments, I knew he was a submitter no matter how strong and how mournfully he tried to deny that fact, but I always thought that was out of knowledgeable conviction (I hoped at least the person knew what he was talking about). I have constantly seen how he contradicts himself in a very untenable way and I thought that was too out of unsharpened arrogance, but now after I have visited the links brother Bashir provided where Ahmad copies word for word from whatever he writes in this forums, I finally understood why Ahmad talks about donkeys while we passionately talk about camels. I also understood why Ahmad oscillates and flip-flops in argumentative maze while he is confronted with simple clear directive. I also understand now why Ahmad is increasingly paranoid and confused with himself, regarding whether to go ahead with his messengerhood claim or wait for a while. The man simply does not write what he knows and certainly he does not argue what he perceives. Rather Ahmad copies (with slight editing) from those links and it is not surprising at all why the man can not argue his point. (Because it is simply not HIS!) I have visited these links http://www.submission.org/eve.html http://www.submission.org/jews.html http://www.submission.org/mo-write.html And I have seen a conclusive evidence of Ahmad’s copy and paste skills. We can ascertain from here how impossible it is to argue a viewpoint via a delivery boy, for the delivery boy can easily get stuck when the roads of reason close on him and he can only fluctuate in his little entangled world. Therefore, I have a little message for the delivery boy to convey back to his masters. The message is Ahmad; Bring your masters to debate with us, at least we hope they can argue their viewpoint if it is theirs! Walaalayaal; Waxaan ogeyn in Ahmad ahaa qof submitter ah sababtoo ah submittersku waxay u taagan yihiin oo dhan waa wax iska cad, balse waxaan moodi jiray in Ahmad ugu yaraan ay doodahani ka yihiin wax uu aaminsan yahay cilmina u leeyahay, waxaan dhowr mar la yaabi jiray siday Ahmad hadaladiisu sida qaabka daran isu buriyaan iyo sida uu u cantaaho marka dood laga helo, waxaan is oran jiray waa arin aan submitarsiku ceeb u ahayn caadana ka dhigteen (madax adayga.) Maantase markaan soo booqday bogaga linkiga ah ee walaalkeen Bashiir soo helay waxaan ogaaday sababaha Ahmad ku kalifay arimaha aan kor ku soo xusnay. Waxaan ogaaday in Ahmad alahiisba alle iska yahay oo fariin wade uun yahay. Marka aad tagto bogaga aan soo sheegay waxaad si aan shaki ku jirin u arkeysaa sida Ahmad usoo daabaco doodaha halkan ka socda asagoon wax gacan ah ka geysan arimaha uu so guurinayo. Hadaba waxaynu ognahay in aysan suurta galeyn in doodi ka dhex socoto dad loo kala fariin geynayo, waxaana Ahmad ku leenahay macalimiintaada noo keen waxaa dhici karta in ay ugu yaraan ayagu ku doodi karaan aragtidooda haday ayaga leeyihiin. Waxaan kaloo jeclahay sida ay walaalaheen qaarkoodaba ay u weydiiyeen maamulka Somalinet waxa ay ka qabaan arinta aflagaadeynta nabi Maxamed nabad gelyo iyo naxariis korkiisa ha ahaatee, anaga oon wax dhib ah ka qabin in aan wixii cilmi ah ku doodno (ayadoo la kala duwanaan karo) ayaa hadana su’aasha meesha taala waxa ay tahay in hadii aflagaadeynta qabiilka uusan maamulku ogoleyn miyeysan ka sii xaq laheyn in aan la ogolaanin wixii aflagaado loo geysto nabiga iyo asxaabtiisaba? Waxaase dhici karta in walaalaha haya mamulka Somalinet aysan si joogta ah u soo booqan karin bog kasta, muhiimna ay noqoneyso in email loo wada diro (aniga ayaana bilaabaya). Waad mahadsan tihiin.
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| | Unrecorded Date You're welcome, brother Bashir. Not only did Prophet Yaxya HOLD FAST to the BOOK of PROPHET/MESSENGER MUUSE(the Tawrat), but he also CONFIRMED "the word from Allah", which is PROPHET/MESSENGER CIISE. Remember, in another place, Ahmed claimed that *messengers* CONFIRM the LAWS(BOOKS) of the PROPHETS and every *prophet* is GIVEN BOOK(a LAW). In other word, *messengers* do not receive BOOKS and ONLY *prophets* receive BOOKS. But here, Allah is saying in the QURAN that Prophet YAXYA CONFIRMING PROPHET/MESSENGER CIISE. "Then the angels called him-(prophet ZAKARIYA--the father of YAXYA)-while he stood praying in the apartment, surely Allah announces to you YAXYA(a son named Yaxya) CONFIRMING THE WORD FROM ALLAH(prophet/messenger CIISE), a leader(Yaxya), and chaste(exercising self-restraint), and a prophet, from the righteous" Suratul Cimraan 39 Let Ahmed answer this: What is the name of the BOOK prophet YAXYA was GIVEN---as he claims? :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Jazakallah brother Bashir. (I sent you e-mail today) Walaalayaal waad u jeediin. Axmed waa la qabtey. Horeyna waanu u ogeyn haddana Allaah ayaa facsharay. Walaalayaal submittersku ( http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/cons_submitters.html ) waa daad gaalo ah oo yahuudu fan gareyso. Axmed inuu diintiisi "beeso" (Worldy life) siistay waanu aragney, markaa innaga maxaa innala gudboon in aanu suubino?. Meelo badan sida ASFA Discussion Board ( http://sunnah.org/forums/enter.htm ) oo ahlu sunnaha lee yihiin ayaan nac-nacdiisa ku arki jirey, balse waa laga eryay, by deleting all his postings. Xataa IG-Forum, Islamic Gateway Forum ( http://www.ummah.net/forums ) waa uga dhamaatey. Axmed Submitter wuxuu yiri: "Waxaan jiraa 21 sano, diinta krishtaanka & mida yuhuuda & quraankaba kuli waan aqaanaa oo ingiriisi ayaan ku bartey." Bal siduu isu hafrayo eega, beentiisa. Hadda howshu waxeey u taal qoloda somaliNetka iyo siddii aay uga mamnuuci lahaayeen meesha. Ha ogaadeen qoloda SomaliNetku in Aakhiro loo qabsan doono "kaalintooda" aay u ogolaadeen in Axmed isticmaalo kanaalkooda si uu caayo Diinta Alle & Nabigiisa si waliba kas (ula kaca ah) ah oon la dhihi karin waa cilmi xumo. Waxaan rajeynayaa in somaliNetku soo bandhigi doonaan arrintan & halka aay ka joogaanba.
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| | Unrecorded Date Markii aan booqday ama tagey meesha Bashiir natusey oo clearly ninkaas ka soo koobiyeeyo waxyaalaha uu halkaan ku soo qoro and after reading this piece oo walaakeen Nasraani oo hoos ku yaal uu soo gudbiyeye about what these people oo uu ninkaan halkaan wax ku soo qoro ka mid yahay sameeyaan, I no longer believe that HE IS A BLESSING IN DISGUISE ee uu yahay RAACATADA CAD EE KA SOO HORJEEDA ISLAAMKA. Haddii ay SomaliNet Qabiil laga hadlo halkaan u ogalayn maxey u ogal yihiin Diin Caayid in lagu hayo halkaan sida uu walaakeen nasraani yiri oo page-yada kale oo muslimiinta isugu tagto laga cayrshey ninkaan iyo qoloda uu ka soo koobiyeeyo hadalkooda markii ay DIINTA ISLAMKA AH WAX XUN KA SHEEGEEN. SUALL KU SO COTA SOMALINET: DIINTA ISLAAMKA LA CAAYO SOW KAMA XUMA QABIILOOYIN LA CAAYO?????? .!!!!!!!!!!!! ...................... Zionist Conspiracies Against Islam: Rashad Khalifa's Cult by M. Jamaal al-Din Abdul-Wahid You'll find the most disastrous campaigns by Yahudis, Qadianis, Shia, and other enemies of Islam who say, "Just hold fast to Qur'an and don't follow Hadiths because Hadiths aren't reliable." Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam) forewarns Muslims "Beware of the time when people sitting on cushions, relaxing, say 'just follow Qur'an and don't follow Hadiths'." In addition to the groups named above there is a wave of pro-Zionists propagating a false religion, but trying to use the name of Islam. These people may have Arabic (or Urdu/Farsi) names, dress half-way like Muslims, and use some Arabic terminology, but they are NOT Muslims, nor are they anywhere close to being Muslim! These shayateen are members of an international cult that calls itself "The Submitters," founded by a dajjal named Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. The mission of this Zionist-backed organization is to wage an unholy war against Hadith and the Sunnah of Sayyidina wa Mawlana Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam) while professing to follow nothing but the Holy Qur'an. Many Muslims have heard the name "Rashad Khalifa," but few know the true identity of this wretch. The most interesting fact about this dajjal is that he was NEVER Muslim. Rashad Khalifa was a Coptic Christian from Cairo, Egypt and when Allah Ta'ala sent that wretch to jahannam, he died a Coptic Christian. His real name was Richard Kalif and he was registered as Richard both in Egypt and in America, but at no point in his cursed life did he ever become Muslim. In order to establish a cult in America and gain flexibility, the Zionists funded him to establish his following in Tucson, Arizona. He was paid by the Yahudis not only to spread his cult in America, but to produce his own (uneducated and fully opinionated) "commentary" of the Holy Qur'an, with the intent of levying an attack against Hadith & Sunnah and branding those Muslims who follow the Sunnah of Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam) as being "false Muslims" and heretics. Such an example of this is found on page 94 of his commentary, titled Quran: The Final Scripture, where he wrote: "When they grow up in an environment that equates goodness with belief in God and the Hereafter, consequently this person may profess belief in God and the Hereafter; and in order to be good while in fact, his innermost convictions are contrary. [he then makes reference to the Holy Qur'an, referring to ayats unrelated to his feeble point] God teaches us in these verses that the invention of Hadith and/or Sunnah was designed to distinguish the true Muslims from the false Muslims. The true Muslims upheld the Qur'an, the whole Qur'an, and nothing but the Qur'an." Of course, he means the "false Muslims" uphold the Sunnah of Sayyidina wa Mawlana Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam). Keep in mind, Richard, alias "Rashad Khalifa" was a Coptic Christian from Cairo. In his own arrogance and filth, Richard claimed Nubuwwat (Prophethood), in the same manner the dajjal by the name Ghulam Ahmad Qadian did. In his retarded claim to Messengerhood, he declared himself to be receptive of Wahi (revelation, which is specifically for the Holy Prophets of Allah Ta'ala) and that Allah has revealed to him a "new Sunnah," asserting that the Sunnah of Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) was invented by Shaytan. May Allah give that Coptic wretch what he deserves! The most popular of the claims of this false prophet is the fitnah of the "miracle" of the number 19. Though a very absurd and ridiculous claim the "Submitters" make, Muslims should be well aware that the "number 19 phenomena" of Mr. Richard and his whole "mathematical scheme of Qur'an" is purely his freemason insertions into religion. Yes, like so many other cults, the Submitters are heavily tied into masonic orders. In a very wasteful effort he and his cult followers produced many books in their pathetic attempt to support his ideologies with contorted "Islamic history" which is "coincidentally" written by Zionists whose aims are to defame and desecrate the name of al-Islam. His cult now assumes new names in order to disguise their program. They now go by the following names: The Submitters (most commonly used name by them as they replace ISLAM with "Submission." Since they know very well that REAL Muslims will undergo hardship and many trials due to the fact that they are Muslim, they don't call themselves MUSLIM, but call themselves Submitters.) International Community of Submitters The Submission United Submitters International Qur'anic Islam Movement (an offshoot of Mr. Richard's group from Pakistan) As previously stated, the mission of these kuffar is to attack one of the basic structures of Islam, which is the Sunnah of The Holy Last Messenger (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam). There are numerous beliefs and assertions these shayateen make which clearly expose their anti-Islamic agenda and pagan beliefs. For example, 1.) They believe that Sayyidina Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam) wrote the Holy Qur'an himself. 2.) They disbelieve the Kalimah's second half, which is MUHAMMADAR-RASULULLAH. 3.) They reject many ayats of the Holy Qur'an. Bear in mind that there is no difference between their beliefs and that of Iblis, because Iblis ir-Rajeem (A'oothu billahi minh) accepts the first half of the Kalimah (Laa ilaaha illallah), but rejects the second half. No matter what state Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) was in, his mubarak words were either Wahi or in the light of Wahi, and Allah Ta'ala proves it to all of mankind in Surah an-Najm were He says: "And he (Sayyidina Muhammad, Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) does not say anything from his own hawaa (desires, wishes). Indeed he says what is Wahi or in light of Wahi." Anyone who disbelieves in this doesn't believe in Holy Qur'an. The followers of Mr. Richard Kalif, alias Rashad Khalifa (may Allah give that wretch what he deserves, no matter what name he assumed), are neither Muslim nor are they to be regarded as Islamic in any shape or form, for their only motive is to rebel against Islam via attacking Hadith, Sunnah, and the blessed personality of Sayyidina wa Mawlana Muhammad (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam). They come in the guise of people who strongly attack non-Muslim religions, but Allah exposes them for who they are by their own words, as they slide in attacks against common sense Shari'ah issues, such as eating pork or haram meat, wearing of hijab by Muslim ladies, etc. May Allah protect Muslims from the satanic rhetoric of this cult and other Zionist organizations bent on destroying al-Islam from the inside as well as the outside. Aameen.
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| | Unrecorded Date A Perfect Man - I This is the first in a series of articles highlighting certain aspects of the character and personality of the Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam. Topics such as his honesty, generosity, sincerity and hospitality will be discussed in future articles. Introduction This earth has seen great men in the thousands, who achieved greatness in one area or another. Some of them even left their marks on the pages of history. Great kings, warriors, conquerors, philosophers, law-givers, poets and military generals came on the stage of this world and temporarily influenced the lives of people in one way or another and left without leaving anything permanent in the form of their personal example or eternal teaching. Some of these great men might have influenced some aspects of human life in different ways and in different manners, but none has affected it in its totality. The Messengers of Allah were the only persons who influenced human life in different ways in its totality. They brought virtue and goodness and removed evil and sufferings. They purified the entire system of their day; economic, social and political, from excesses and malpractices and established justice and benevolence in every walk of life. They made these revolutionary changes in society through their Divine teachings and personal examples, and not by coercion. Even the Messengers of Allah, such as Hazrat Ibrahim, Hazrat Musa and Hazrat Isa Alaihimus Salaam who changed the course of history and influenced the lives of men by their teachings and outstanding personal example, have not left behind much from which present or future generations can get inspiration. Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam The Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is the only Messenger and personality in history whose entire life record is fully preserved. Not only the important events of his life, but the record of his daily life, from birth to passing-on is written on the pages of history. All his sayings, doings, actions and the details of his conduct and character are kept. In short, his whole life, at home, in the mosque and outside, was fully known to his companions, and was recorded as an open book so that the following generations could learn lessons and get inspiration from his example. Another thing about his life is that it is most comprehensive and perfect and can serve as an ideal for men and women of all ages, working in all professions and trades. Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was not only a Messenger, but a man as well. He taught people to be good, honest and just in their private as well as public dealings and his teaching was not confined to the mosque. At home he talked with his wives and in the market place he explained principles of buying and selling. When he was receiving deputations from abroad, he talked about inter-state matters which laid the foundations of international law. When at war, he devised laws of war and peace. While deciding disputes between his companions, he gave them a civil and criminal code of judgement. And to protect the rights of individuals and groups in the state, he gave them the judgements which later became the constitutional law of the Islamic state. Fortunately, he left a comprehensive account of all his experiences for the benefit of future generations. His teachings are preserved in their original form in the Holy Qur'aan, and his sayings and doings are preserved in the form of the Hadith. These records cover matters of morality, spirituality, economics, sociology and politics. The advice is absolutely perfect and free from human weakness. It shows the moderate way of life, avoiding the extremes to both sides. Besides, it is practical and meets all the needs of man. Above all, the living example of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is completely preserved to command love and reverence from his followers and inspire generations of people for ever. These two sources, the teachings and the life example of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam will always provide light and guidance to those who need it. People can seek light from his Message and guidance from his life; the two are the eternal sources of guidance for men and women in their struggle to achieve perfection in the moral, spiritual and social areas of life. He has set very high and noble ideals through his practical example for all of mankind to follow in every field of life. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala describes the personality of Hazrat Sayyidina Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam in these words: "And you stand on an exalted standard of character" (Holy Qur'an 68: ayat 4). Thus in the words of Allah Ta'ala, the standard of his character and personality is far above that of any other creation. He possessed the best and noblest qualities of the perfect man and was like a jewel illuminating the dark environment with his radiant personality, ideal example and glorious message. Someone once enquired about his character and manners from Bibi Aisha Radiyallahu Anha, and she replied that the Qur'aan was his character. This means that not only did he verbally teach the Qur'aan to the people, but practised it and was himself a perfect example of the Qur'aan in practice. Whatever the Holy Qur'aan commands, he obeyed and whatever it forbids, he abstained from it more than anyone else. Hazrat Jabir Radiyallahu Anhu reports that the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said:"Allah has sent me to perfect good qualities and to complete good deeds". The Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is thus a true example of a perfect man. He lived the life of an ordinary man. He helped the poor, orphans and widows. He was kind to the weak and hospitable to strangers and travellers. He suffered from all but harmed none. He was affectionate and loving towards his friends and forgiving and merciful towards his enemies. He was sincere and honest in his mission; good and fair in his dealings; and just in deciding affairs of friends as well as of enemies. In short, all goodness and excellence have been combined in the person and personality of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam. A person of such magnitude transcends the barriers of time and space. People of all ages can find something in his life to provide them with guidance in their various fields of activity. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala clearly mentions this aspect of life: "We have indeed, in the Messenger of Allah, a good example (of conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." [Holy Qur'an 33: ayat 21] http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/
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| | Unrecorded Date A Perfect Man - I The Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam worked all his life with utmost sincerity for the well-being of his fellow men. He spent all his time, his resources, and his energies on guiding the ignorant people of Arabia to the light of Islam. He was busy day and night in his mission for the betterment of humanity and suffered at the hands of the very people whom he was endeavouring to save from the fire of Hell. He was worried about the plight of the people,who were living in complete ignorance and evil and did not know what was good or bad for themselves. He wanted to save them from a life of evil and misery and bring them back to the ways of goodness and piety. Sometimes he felt sick and hurt at their bitter remarks and strong opposition, but never lost hope or gave way. At Mecca, he went from house to house to every family and gave them the Message of Allah with great compassion, love and sincerity as their well-wisher, but in return they showered abuses upon him. He did not lose heart but continued to encourage them to the path of goodness. On another occasion, Almighty Allah comforted him in these words: "We know indeed that what they say, grieves you:it is not you they reject; but the wicked deny the signs of Allah" [Holy Qur'an 6: Ayat 33] Then in Surah Al-Ma'idah we read: "Ya Rasul! let not those grieve you who run towards infidelity, some of those who say with their mouths, 'We believe'; but whose hearts believe not" (Holy Qur'an 5: Ayat 41) . Sayyidina Rasulallah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam in spite of abuses and persecution, continued to invite people to the Light of Islam. He laboured day and night in his struggle to bring to them the Truth merely for the pleasure of the Almighty Allah. He never asked them for any kind of remuneration or compensation. "Say you,'I ask not of you any wage for it, but affection in respect of kinship" (Holy Qur'an 42: ayat 23). His whole life bears witness to the sincerity and love with which he preached the mesaage of Islam. He never asked for any reward from the people for all his efforts towards their welfare and tolerated their abuses and taunts with great patience. No one paid any heed to his sincere and honest message. Some of them, including Abu Lahab, his uncle, abused him but he tolerated everyhting and continued his sincere efforts for the good of the people. He invited his own family to his place and delivered a short speech in a very impressive way, explaining the basic principles of Islam. Then he said, "O my relatives, I have a brought a thing which will bring prosperity and happiness to you in this world and in the next world". No one except Hazrat Ali Radiyallahu Anhu, who was a boy, supported him. But he was so sincere and honest in his mission that in spite of abuses and hostility, he continued his struggle. Once the chiefs of Quraish came to him and said, "O Muhammad, you have abused our gods, sown the seeds of disruption and discourse among us, destroyed our solidarity and brought misery and sadnes to all of us, If you want wealth, we will make you the richest man in the country. If you want power and leadership, we will make you our ruler. If you want a beautiful woman just name her,k and she will be yours. If you are sick, we can arrange for the best doctor to cure you". The Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam heard all this very quietly and replied,"I do not want any wealth or riches; nor have I any desire to be a king or a ruler; nor do I want any woman; nor am I sick. I am not interested in any of your proposals. I am but a humble servant of Allah, Who has sent me to you as His Messenger to warn you of His punishment if you reject His message, and give you good news if you accept it. If you accept this Message and follow me, you will reap the benefits of this world and the next". He further added," If you place the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, and ask me to leave my mission in return , this I would not do. I shall continue to do my duty as assigned to me by my Lord". What greater proof of his sincerity is needed! He rejected all the material wealth and worldly honours offered to him by the Meccan chiefs. He had only to compromise with them on some of his basic principles. If he was not commanded by the Almighty Allah to deliver His messageor if he was not sincere in his mission, he would easily have compromised with his opponents and enjoyed the worldly pleasures of wealth and status. But he was far above these petty attractions and was sincere and devout in his mission. Thomas Carlyle, in his book- Hero-Worship and the Hero in History, speaks of his sincerity in these words: " There was something in this Truth he had got which was of Nature herself; equal in rank to sun or moon or whatsoever thing Nature had made. It would speak itself there, so long as the Almighty allowed it, in spite of Sun and Moon, and all Kuraish and all men and all things. It must be that and could be no other". "Ah, no! This deep-hearted son of the Wilderness with his beaming black eyes and open social deep soul, had other thoughts in him than ambition. A silent great soul; he was one of those whom Nature herself has appointed to be sincere - no hearsays could hide that unspeakable fact, 'Here am I !' Such sincerity, as we named it, has in very truth something of the Divine. The word of such a man is a Voice direct from Nature's own heart". And Carlyle continues,"A serious, sincere character; yet amiable, cordial, companionable, jocose even - a good laugh in him withal". Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam struggled all his life, through thick and thin for the welfare of the people. He never gained anything materially, socially or politically. He had the good of the people at heart and spent all his life to achieve this in the light of the revelation of Allah. He lived an ordinary life like an ordinary man, doing his household chores, sewing his cloak, mending his shoes, repairing his walls. He sat among the people when he went to the mosque as one of them, without any distinctive position and no one there could recognise who was the Messenger and Ruler. All his life he struggled hard and sincerely for the good of the people, without any ostentatious pride. A cursory glance at his character will show his immense sincerity for the Mission assigned to him by Almighty Allah. And an impartial observer will hardly fail to notice, from almost every incident of his life, his sincere efforts for the betterment of humanity. Above, all this struggle was not for his financial gain or worldly glory, but for the Glory of Allah and the welfare of the people. http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/
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| | Unrecorded Date Sister Caliya, I thank you for your sincerity and the love you have for Islam. However, please, sister Caliya, be careful about believing everything you read on the net. Anyone can build a website and claim it to be an Islamic website. I mean just as there are weirdoes like submitters, who have what looks like Islamic websites, there are also many others who are like them(not everything they have on their websites is the real Islam you and I believe). I don't know if you noticed or not------the website you forwarded to us------is a shiica's website. Everything you forwarded to us and the contents were correct---except----the part where the author says: "No one except Hazrat Ali Radiyallahu Anhu, who was a boy, supported him".
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| | Unrecorded Date Jazakallah sister Caaliya! Walaal iska jir, netka waxaa ka buuxa cid walba oo islaam iska dhigaya. Waxaan walaashiis kugula talinayaa in aad had & goor booqatid kuwa Ahlu-sunnah wal Jamaacah. Illaah laabtaada ha ufuro diinkiisa!. Walaalkaa Ansaari
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wabarakaatu To: Walaalahayga ahlu iimanka ah bacda salaam walaalayaal ilaahay kheer ha idin siiyo dhamaantiin cilmigana ilaahay ha idiin siyaadiyo aamiin waxaa ilaahay mahadiis ah in markasta oo ay damcaan cadawga islaamku in aay wax soo hoos geliyaan ama dadka qaldaan uu ilaahay ka soo saaro umada islamka ah kuwo daafaca caqiidadooda ilaahayna waa balan qaday in uu xifdinayo diintiisa ilaa qurba saaca oo markaas ilaahay rafacayo diinta marka walaalahay waxaan ilaahay iidiinka baryayaa in uu idiinku daro miisanka xasanaadkiina insha allah walaashay caaliya walaal waxaa ilaahay mahadiis ah in aad aragtay xaqiiqada shakhsigan labaxay Ahmed magaca Ahmedna beri ayuu ka yahaye walaal waxaan kugu waninagaa in aad ku dadaasho diinta ilaahayna meeshii xaqu ku jiro hakuu sahlo markastana ku duceeso ALLAHUMA ZIDNI CILMAN WA TAQWA ilaahay hakuu saho anagana sidoo kale hanoo sahlo aamiin walaalkay yaska walaal barakalaahu fik runtii arinta aad soo jeedisayna waa arin aad u wanaagsan waa in lagu dadaalo in lagala hadlo somalinetka in ay sida ay u diideen qabiilka ay u joojiyaan cayda diinta islamka iyo nebiganagii suubana scw ilaahayna dhamaantiin khayr ha idin siiyo ilaahayna diinta ha inagu ciseeyo aamiin inta dhunsana ilaahay xaqa hatuso wasalaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wabarakaatu walaashiin Yaasmiin
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! to; ALL! WHAW! I cannot, certianly, respond to all of you...so don’t yah feel left-out if I don’t respond to your post. People are jumping up and down about somali-net. DO I need to point out that it does NOT say; “Sunni-Net” up there????? Somalis are NOT a religion or culture but a people...with variety of beliefs and cultures -- I suggest you eat a knife if you can’t understand that. Somalis are where the wicked nations passed thousands of years ago. FOR a people who Islam came to, surely, the middle-eastern and its allies have a way of living off the old. Kill off whoever you can’t match your ideas with -- insult whoever that you cannot control...yada yada yada yada yada! AND, FYI, Yaskiari...SOMALI-NET does the business of the to-day(maybe you should change your clock to 1999 11:59 pm and 55secs...and see what happens! heheh!) THE world is big, people...if you can’t get along with people...you IGNORE THEM! I am not twisting anybody’s arm to read my non-sunni beliefs. We ALL belong to the same religion -- and i’m just eating my side of the plate...don’t yah feel so hungary -- i ain’t eating yours! IF you can’t have me on your-side...maybe becoz i’m a little full at the moment of all that cheezy-wheezy-creemy stuff you have on your side. Why involve Somali-net...when I told you time and time again -- that i’m NOT interested in debating or changing anybody...and that you DO NOT have to read/respond to my posts. A saying comes to mind; “dhariga maxaa karka ka keenay” -- people just need to grow up -- oh, say...2 mells. will do. Somali-net is not anybody’s mother who come here...and ASKS for trouble and then cannot have the balls to digest it. BOO HOO! “Oh, mommy, why???” well, GET OVER IT! It is public place -- and I sure like it...`cause it has my name up there “SOMALI” -- had it been *SUNNI* I wouldn’t bother -- there are nearly thousands of sunni forumss...that I do not care to participate with my beliefs...simply because it doesn’t belong there. ALSO, alot of what this(STATUS of Muhammad) post stands for is NON-SUBMITTERS. People are all acting surprised that I do have some of Submitters’ ideas...WHY??? Did I not tell them that I DO have every sect’s parts of beliefs. And are they surprised that I’m not labeling submitters as *KUFFARS* at the moment? Maybe because I have no reason....???? UNTILL I prove that Rashad was not a Messenger...they’re STILL very much Muslims to me -- like it or not. I’m not a biased who just runs around calling people names that they do not deserve. And, FYI, *Mushrik* is not something that makes people suddenly become kuffars -- as long as the GOD IS ONE and MUHAMMAD WAS A PROPHET OF HIS is in tact -- one is STILL very much Muslim, no matter how he sins...or rebels against practices. A little Islamic mind...won’t hurt! God says; “THE ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN IS SHIRK” --- “SIN”....DUuuuuhhhh? I need a BREAK! Sin all you want...and ask me if I care -- as long as you do NOT mess up with GOD IS ONE and that Muhammad was a Prophet of His! You can have your little SHEIKH JEYLAANI and ABAAY SITI...and WARDIYA NABIYA, ETC -- Go ahead call them in your salats...and BITE ME, DARLING DEAR! :) And, FYI, Umar, John was given a BOOK -- maybe you should read HISTORY! AND, taking a free Bible from the table won’t hurt yah! AND, FYI, when John was youth and was said to; “TAKE HOLD OF THE BOOK” The Book of Moses, Torah, was already CORRUPTED TO NO END! John lived in the Time of Jesus -- and because Jesus was SO miracleous and different -- the Israelites HAD TO HAVE confirmation. Israelites were known to question any *different* thing. God given moses signs...and they STILL questioned more...and Moses wasn’t all that *different* and was NOT awaited Messiah...DDDUUUHHHH??? AND, FYI, when Jesus came, the Torah was ALREADY written in Hebrew...and was there for CENTURIES AND CENTURIES! Why in the world was Elizabeth, Lady of Amran, was ASKING GOD FOR A RIGHTEOS servant to be what was in her whomb????? ...and, FYI, there were BOOKS between Jesus and Moses --- uhm, MANY! NUR, i’ll respond more at the end of week...but keep in mind this; “BRING your masters to debate with us” you said...and some ignorant nation before said; “BRING your master down to talk to us” the differences is...is there any???! :)) It is amazing...how my submitter’s points of view and my other sects are the SAME amount -- but one cannot notice that, can one? :) ...little things which can be verified with the sites listed that I DO NOT agree with the submitters are; -- JESUS is NOT dead... -- You should say; “MUHAMMADAN RASULULLAH” to tell that you’re MUSLIM! -- INTERCESSION IS NOT MYTH... -- THE CORRECT WAY OF HIJAB IS AS THE WAY OF THE SUNNIS(Aqwaanul-Muslimiin, to be specific)... -- THERE is NO Budha *Muslim* or Jew Muslim or X-tian Muslim...but MUSLIM MUSLIM... -- HADITHS are NOT satanic revelations...but CORRUPTED history of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)...sayings and actions... ...and some more that i cannot remember -- so, does that sound to yah all there?...or all here? That is because inheritance is given to all people...that is what these people have done to the ISLAMIC religion; give it to all...in pieces. My latest project as sect...is submitters -- i’m curious where it ends with me...and when! I’m not rejecting anything that is Truth -- and God promises to help the sincere; so, bandar baan jiiffaaa! :) *Ahmad was kicked out from a forums* YOU WISH! You listed Sunni forumss...that I PARTICIPATED and left on my own judgement due to their fight between them all the time. Also, did I not tell you i’m not paranoid before??? Submitters are funded by Jews? How ignorant!...and *RICHARD* Khalifa?...and they deny that Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet??? The guy who wrote the article is as ignorant as those who quote him(WHERE is Diehard??? halloo??? hahaha!) ...and the SISTER; nice try! :) AND, those who are just going around circles with dumb accusations with baseless reasons....I suggest you read about EDIP YUKSEL -- a true ex-Sunni...who went PRISON for being Sunni for so many years. He is now a SUBMITTERS -- and there is an example in him for those who wish TO SEE. Ask yourself...have you ever done anything for your belief??? HE WENT TO PRISON for it -- because he came against the system that opposited his beliefs. And, later, he realized he lived in lie for all these years...because that was NOT it. He knew the particular Islam kind that he had -- was SIMPLY NOT the one in the Qur`an all-in-all. And, the similarity is...so did I! I thought, in my suffi/sunni/wahabi/half-shia, etc days..as having the perfect way of life...untill I DISCOVERED some more...and more and more...and later said; “WHAT A LIE!” The point is, the TRUE Islam does NOT need defense -- there is NO COMPULSION in it...its clear from error. It’s followers are the happiest, most intellegant, strengthened, and most of all; the most peaceful people on earth. ASK yourself -- do you posses those things? IF so...lets hear it! People who cry over somebody else who has a different though in thoughts do not fulfill that prophecy -- people who kill OFF anybody who doesn’t agree with them do not fulfill that prophecy -- people who are SIMPLY not happy with their own and cannot say: “you have yours -- and this is mine...hear it for free and obligationless” do not fulfill that prophecy -- people who are ALWAYS defeated and end up oppressed and in terrorism do not fulfill that prophecy -- people who do not create(REMEMBER early Islam and how it created...) do not fulfill that prophecy -- people who are simply ignorants who live in the days of ignorance do not fulfill that prophecy. SO, test yourself. AND, remember, the results are JUST for you -- not for me or anybody else! P.S. I will write more later...at the end of the week! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said to me: "FYI, Umar, John was given a BOOK " Ahmed is being asked before----"what is the name of the BOOK that supposedly GIVEN to Yaxya"? ------Ahmed can't answer!!! Ahmed said to me "maybe you should read HISTORY! AND, taking a free Bible from the table won’t hurt yah!" "History" of the QURAN or the "History" of the BIBLE. I wish he, as Ahmed alleges, can tell us the name of that BOOK GIVEN to Yaxya. :-) Ahmed said "FYI, when John was youth and was said to; “TAKE HOLD OF THE BOOK” The Book of Moses, Torah, was already CORRUPTED TO NO END!" Well, "the BOOK of MUUSE" which Yaxya was told to "HOLD FAST" was NOT "CORRUPTED" in HOUSE-HOLD of the FAMILY of Yaxya----Yaxya came from a line of PROPHETHOOD---the FAMILY OF CIMRAAN, the well known father of MARYAN and the grandfather of the prophets YAXYA and CIISE. This family HAD always had the correct teachings of MUUSE---that is why Allah said to Yaxya: ""O Yaxya! take hold of the Book with might"-----would Allah tell his prophet to HOLD FAST a "CORRUPTED" BOOK? :-) The other so called Jews scholars--the RABBIS--made the LAW of MUUSE(the TORAH), but not the family of CIMRAAN--Allah keeps his righteous servants--His prophets in the straight BATH and He TAUGHT them the BOOK of MUUSE---JUST AS----Allah TAUGHT Prophet/Messenger CIISE the BOOK of MUUSE -:-) However, is Ahmed saying that Yaxya's father, who was also another prophet(Sakariya) didn't follow and did not have the pure teachings of MUUSE(the Torah)?----I mean was the prophet Zakariya also GIVEN a BOOK of his own and can Ahmed tell us what is the NAME of that BOOK too? :-) "...and when I taught you-(So CIISE was taught of Allah, even as our Messenger/Prophet Muhammad, even as the family of CIMRAAN was)-the BOOK-(the revealed BOOKS in general)-and WISDOM and TAWRAAT and INJIIL......" Suratul Maaida 110 Ahmed said "FYI, when Jesus came, the Torah was ALREADY written in Hebrew...and was there for CENTURIES AND CENTURIES!" So...doe no that prove my point! Ahmed said "...and, FYI, there were BOOKS between Jesus and Moses --- uhm, MANY!" Again, can Ahmed tell us the names of those BOOKS? The whole point that Ahmed and the Submitters are making when they say that---EVERY PROPHET IS GIVEN A BOOK and that EVERY MESSENGER IS NOT GIVEN A BOOK----and after reading their homepage---is that THEY want to ESTABLISH the believe----the Rashad Khalifa's CLAIM of being a "messenger" from Allah.!!! :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date WARAA MEESHAAN MIYAA MEESHA AA NOOGA SOO KOOBIYEEN JIRTEY WARARKAADA??? !!!!! ------------------------------------------------- THE PROOF - GOD'S MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT--RASHAD KHALIFA As stated in the verse 17:36, it is your responsibility to verify all information. BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF PROOF 1. The root word for Rashad's name "rashada" is mentioned in the Quran 19 times. (Index to the words of the Quran). 2. First name 'Rashad' and second name 'Khalifa' is spelled out in the Quran as the person destined to unravel the mathematical code. Rashad is mentioned in 40:29 & 40:38 and Khalifa in 38:26. When we add the sura and verse numbers we get 40+29+38+38+26 = 171 or 19 x 3. The gematrical value of Ibrahim as spelled in Quran is 1+2+200+5+10+40=258, the value of Muhammad is 40+8+40+4=92 and the value of Rashad is 200+300+1+4=505. Total of 258+92+505=855 which is a multiple of 19. This reflects Abraham as the original messenger of Islam, Muhammad delivered the scripture and Rashad was blessed with delivering the religion's proof of authenticity. 4. 855 = 19 x 45. Dr. Khalifa was 45 years old, when commissioned as God's Messenger in 1980, precisely 1400 years after Muhammad and the next messenger is "seven pairs" of centuries (15:87) 5. Unveiling of God's great miracle (74:35), that had been concealed in the Quran for 1400 years. God's messenger to the world comes with irrefutable computer-age proof. 6. [5:19] "O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you, to explain things to you, after a period of time without messengers, lest you say, "We did not receive any preacher or warner." A preacher and warner has now come to you. GOD is Omnipotent." This (5:19) verse reports the fulfillment of the biblical and Quranic prophecy regarding the advent of God's Messenger of the Covenant (Malachi 3:1, Quran 3:81). The name of this messenger is mathematically coded into the Quran as "Rashad Khalifa." This very special verse warrants the presentation of specific evidence. By adding the gematrical value of "Rashad" (505), plus the value of "Khalifa" (725), plus the sura number (5), plus the verse number (19), we obtain a total of 505+725+5+19 = 1254, or 19x66. Nineteen is the Quran's common denominator, which was revealed through Rashad Khalifa. 7. [98:1-2] Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture, as well as the idol worshipers, insist on their ways, despite the proof given to them. A messenger from God is reciting to them sacred instructions. The proof (in 98:1-2) is the Quran's mathematical code and the messenger is Rashad Khalifa. The number of the sura (98), plus the verse number (2), plus the numerical value of "Rashad Khalifa" (1230) add up to 1330 (19x70), the same total as in 81:19. 8. [81:19-23] This is the utterance of an honorable messenger. Authorized by the Possessor of the Throne, fully supported. He shall be obeyed and trusted. 81:19 By adding the sura number, plus the verse number, plus the gematrical value of the name ``Rashad'' (505), plus the value of ``Khalifa'' (725), we get 1330, 19x70. This provides Quranic mathematical proof that this messenger is Rashad Khalifa. 9. [13:30] We have sent you (O Rashad) to this community, just as we did for other communities in the past. You shall recite to them what we reveal to you, for they have disbelieved in the Most Gracious. Say, "He is my Lord. There is no god except He. I put my trust in Him alone; to Him is my ultimate destiny." 13:30 If we add the gematrical value of ``Rashad'' (505), plus the value of ``Khalifa'' (725), plus the sura number (13), plus the verse number (30), we get 505+725+13+30 = 1273 = 19x67. God thus specifies the name of His messenger. 10. [36:3] Most assuredly, you (Rashad) are one of the messengers. SOME DUTIES OF GOD'S MESSENGER 1. Unveil and proclaim the Quran's mathematical miracle. 2. Explain the purpose of our lives; why we are here. 3. Proclaim one religion for all the people, and point out and purge away all the corruptions afflicting Judaism, Christianity, and Islam 4. Proclaim that Zakat is a prerequisite for redemption (6:141), and explain the correct method of observing Zakat. 5. Unveil the end of the world. 6. Explain Jesus' death. 7. Explain the Quran's delivery to, then through Muhammad. 8. Explain why most believers in God do not make it to Heaven. 9. Proclaim that God never ordered Abraham to kill his son. 10. Proclaim the secret of perfect happiness 11. Remove two false verses (9:128 & 129) injected into the Quran after the death of Prophet Muhammad. 12. Proclaim that those who die before the age of 40 go to Heaven. 13. Announce that Muhammad wrote God's (Quran) revelations with his own hand. 14. Establish a criminal justice system. Why Did God Send A Messenger Now? As stated in 3:81, God has sent a messenger to consolidate the messages delivered by all the prophets, purify them, and unify them into one religion: Submission. The timing is certainly ripe for fulfillment of this important prophecy, for the following reasons: 1. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have been corrupted beyond recognition. 2. All God's messages have been delivered; the Quran is the Final Testament. 3. More than 93% of the human beings destined to live in this world are yet to come. The best illustration of today's corrupted Judaism can be found in the books of a famous Rabbi; Harold S. Kushner. In his best seller WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE, Avon Books, 1981, Rabbi Kushner states the following: "..., we would be advised to take this world as seriously as we can, in case it turns out to be the only one we will ever have, and to look for meaning and justice here." (P. 29) "Bad things do happen to good people in this world, but it is not God who wills it. God would like people to get what they deserve, but He cannot always arrange it." (P. 42) If Jesus came back to life today, the Christians would crucify him. Outstanding Christian scholars have reached solid conclusions that today's Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus, and that its doctrine was mortally distorted at the infamous Nicene Conferences (325 A.D.). See THE MYTH OF GOD INCARNATE, Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977. If Muhammad came back to this world, the "Muslims" would stone him to death. The religion they follow today has nothing to do with the Islam preached by Abraham and Muhammad. Everything the "Muslims" do is wrong: the First Pillar (Shahaadah), the call to Salat prayer (Azan), the ablution (Wudu), the daily Salat prayers, the Zakat charity, Hajj, and all other practices of Islam. This forums provides ample evidence that the "Muslims" turn away in aversion when God's words in the Quran are recited for them. INVITATION Those who have read these notes are invited to give a reason based on the Quran why Dr Rashad Khalifa was not the messenger after Muhammad mentioned in verse 3:81 and other verses. Please be advised that so far no human (including the revered scholars) has come up with even one reason based on the Quran. EGO [2:54] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, you have wronged your souls by worshipping the calf. You must repent to your Creator. You shall kill your egos. This is better for you in the sight of your Creator." He did redeem you. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful. It is the ego that led to Satan's fall. It is the ego that caused our exile to this world, and it is the ego that is keeping most of us from redemption to God's Kingdom. It is ego which keeps us from believing God's words in the Quran. [2:87] We gave Moses the scripture, and subsequent to him we sent other messengers, and we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it not a fact that every time a messenger went to you with anything you disliked, your ego caused you to be arrogant? Some of them you rejected, and some of them you killed. [5:30] His ego provoked him into killing his brother. He killed him, and ended up with the losers. [25:43] Have you seen the one whose god is his own ego? Will you be his advocate? [45:23]Have you noted the one whose god is his ego? Consequently, GOD sends him astray, despite his knowledge, seals his hearing and his mind, and places a veil on his eyes. Who then can guide him, after such a decision by GOD? Would you not take heed? Dr Rashad Khalifa, the man, the issues and the truth Many conflicting articles have been written about Dr. Rashad Khalifa. As expected from a man who has shaken the foundations of the corrupted religious establishments, he was both attacked and praised. Few of the articles are defending him while the others are attacking him. Some of these articles present the truth and as expected some others are full of lies. People usually resort to lies when they cannot defend their ideas or beliefs. They resort to assailing the character when they cannot assail the ideas or principles. This is most obvious in case of Dr Khalifa, who was treated as a hero first, when he discovered the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran. He was later defamed, attacked, insulted then assassinated when he denounced the corruption of religion in Islam (Submission), Christianity and Judaism. Because there is a growing and persistent interest in Dr. Rashad Khalifa, and his work, we decided to provide this information to the reader. We are hoping to correct all the lies and misinformation that is propagated by the corrupted religious leaders and their followers about him. This article was written to save the sincere reader, the agony of going through some of these lies, false accusations and distortions. God willing, we present to you here, the truth about Dr. Khalifa and the main issues he stood for. We need however, to remind the reader that , it is not Dr Khalifa, the man, that we should care about at this time but rather the issues he brought forward, stood and died for. This file was never meant to cover every aspect of the issues but many of them. It was done in a brief format . It will give the reader the information, he/she seeks with reference to the Quranic source of all the issues discussed. We encourage the reader to look up every verse mentioned in this file and read it. If any of the material needs more clarification, check it in the English translation of the Quran of Dr. Khalifa or look it up on the Submission Home Page.{ QURAN } Dr. Khalifa's translation can be found also in AOL and CompuServe libraries. *********************************************** DR. RASHAD KHALIFA, THE MAN: DR. RASHAD KHALIFA was born in a religious family on November 19, 1935 in a small town in Egypt, Kafr El-Zayat. His father was a religious leader for a large Sufi group, made of thousands of followers. The Sufi group was named after the elder son of their leader, i.e. Rashad, when Rashad was still a child. It is interesting to know that it was the same Sufi group with their idolization of the Muslim Saints (Wali ), the prophet and his family, and their upholding of other books with the Quran that might have started Dr. Khalifa on the road to evaluate the TRUE WORSHIP of GOD ALONE. Dr. Khalifa finished his university education in Egypt before coming to the United states in 1959, where he continued his higher education. He received his Master Degree in Biochemistry from Arizona State University and his Ph.D. from University of California, Riverside. He held several jobs in the United States and in the Middle East. All his jobs were in his field of Biochemistry including his work for the United Nations. Early on, during his life in the USA he was active in the Muslim communities where he lived. He published few Islamic newsletters and publications. He was still attached to the teachings of Islam (Submission) as he learned it from his father as well as the Sofi teachings he was brought up with. He went back to Egypt after finishing his PhD before settling in the USA with his wife and two children. After many years of reading different English translations of the Quran, he was not happy with any single one. They all had some violations of some of the basic teachings of the Quran. He was also met with a challenge from his children, while studying Quran with them. They asked him about the meaning of the letters at the beginning of Sura 2 in the Quran, i.e., A,L, M. He did not have an answer for them and did not find a good answer with all the Muslim scholars he asked. He started searching the Islamic text books and references, but he never was satisfied with any of the explanations. Since he was working on the computer for his job at the time, He decided to put all the Arabic Quran in the Computer and specifically study these initials. These initials are the letters found at the beginning of many Suras in the Quran (29 of them). He also decided to begin his own translation of the Quran. With his mother tongue being Arabic, he began to translate the Arabic Quran into English. None of his predecessors, for whom he read translations, actually spoke the language of the Quran, i.e., Arabic. Dr. Khalifa's study of the Quran with the computer, the first of its kind then, resulted in the discovery of one of the greatest miracles of the Quran, as God described it in 74:35. This miracle had to do with number 19, mentioned in sura 74. MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN He published the results in several books, magazines and newspapers, and gave many lectures in many countries of the Muslim world. The Muslim scholars and governments cheered him and treated him like a hero and supported the new discoveries in the Quran. The momentous discovery that "19" is the common denominator of the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran became a reality in January, 1974. This was coinciding with Zul-Hijjah 1393 A.H. The Quran was revealed in 13 B.H. (Before Hijrah). This makes the number of years from the revelation of the Quran to the discovery of its miracle (in 1974), 1393+13=1406 years. It was more than interesting to notice that 1406 = 19 X 74. The only time number 19 was mentioned in the Quran is in sura 74. The correlation between 19X74 lunar years and 1974 solar years could not escape notice, especially with number 19 mentioned only in sura 74. . Dr. Khalifa continued his service to the Muslim community and continued his Islamic studies. The Mathematical Miracle of the Quran provided a physical proof beyond doubt that the Quran is the word of God. MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN Quoting the Quran, Dr. Khalifa confirmed what the Quran has been saying about itself; that Quran (1) is complete, perfect and fully detailed, (see 6:19, 38, 114, 115; 50:45) (2) is he ONLY acceptable Hadith, (see 7:185, 10:36, 31:6, 39:23, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 77:50, 39:29..., etc.). (3) Quran called on the Prophet Muhammed to deliver, preach, live and rule by the Quran ALONE, (see 5:48-50). With his understanding of the Quran and the fact that the hadiths books are vastly corrupted, Dr. Khalifa delivered his brave and clear understanding to the Muslim community. He proclaimed that Quran is the ONLY acceptable law in this great religion. He also emphasized the fact that all the known hadiths books are corrupted beyond recognition and can only be used for its historical value and not for religious guidance or laws. Dr. Khalifa called on the Muslims to follow the Quran alone and to disregard all the fabrications and lies that filled the Hadith and Sunna books. Dr. Khalifa did not consider or care for the angry reaction of the traditional Muslim scholars and their followers. Dr. Khalifa felt that the truth is more important than the fear of the people's reaction or its result. The Muslim scholars, shocked by his stand after they supported his Mathematical discoveries in the Quran, considered him a great risk for their traditional teachings. That risk was specially greater after he received a world wide recognition and support for his discoveries of the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran. When Dr. Khalifa's view about Quran alone was published, QURAN, HADITH AND ISLAM: (for download only), a campaign of intimidation, insults, fabrications, and accusations of misconduct against him started. Many of the Muslim Scholars who cheered him for the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran tried to play down its significance even at the expense of the truth. Despite the fierce attacks by the traditionalists on his views that was totally and only Quranic, Dr. Khalifa refused to change his position. He was even offered a large sum of money by one of the Royal Governments in the Middle East to change his position but he refused. He believed that the truth cannot be bought by any sum of money and that the truth belongs only to God ALONE. During his life in serving the Muslim community, he published one of the best English translations of the Quran available to us today. THE HOLY QURAN: (for download only), He never forgot to acknowledge the help and contribution to his translation of some of his close friends and associates. Some of them are still active in preaching the same message of worshipping God alone and following the Quran alone. Even those who criticize his translation for some of its few errors still admit to its clarity, simplicity and pure guidance. Dr. Khalifa called his translation of the Quran "Authorized English version." In doing so, he was clearly declaring his defiance to any man- made authority in giving the permission to translate the Quran, such as those called Islamic councils, committees, government agents or centers. Many of these places considered themselves as having a monopoly on giving the authorization to translate the Quran. Dr. Khalifa flatly rejected such man-made authorization and strongly believed that such authorization belongs only to the author of the Quran Himself, God. With this belief in his mind, he went ahead with his translation, seeking only the approval and acceptance of God ALONE and called it, "Authorized English Version" Few years before his death, Dr. Khalifa declared that he is the messenger of the covenant ( Messenger of the Covenant. ) prophesied in the Quran in 3:81 He presented a lengthy document with proofs of his messengership from the Quran. He defended the fact that the Prophet Muhammed was the LAST Prophet according to the Quran but not the LAST messenger, (The Difference between Prophet and Messenger ) also according to the Quran, see 33:40. He emphasized the fact that God is teaching us that, the Prophet Muhammed was one of the prophets who took the covenant mentioned in 3:81. The Prophet Muhammed took it along with the other prophets as per 33:7. Dr. Khalifa put the proofs of his messengership in the appendix of his translation of the Quran for those who would seek such proofs. He challenged the Muslim scholars in their definition of the word prophet and messenger. Their definition has been totally opposite to what God teaches in the Quran. See 3:81; 3:79; 6:89; 29:27; 45:16; 57:26; 19:51; 19:54..., etc. He declared that a messenger of God would advocate the worship of God alone and not ask for wage. See 10:72; 11:29; 11:51; 26:109; 26:127; 26:145.....etc. He asked everybody to verify his Quranic proof. See 17:36. In their refusal to listen to the word of God in the Quran, many of the Muslim scholars and their followers increased the campaign of attacks on Dr. Khalifa and on his message. The message that calls on the believers to go back to the Quran and to reject the fabrications and lies that filled the Hadiths and Sunna books. They failed to tackle the issues or defend their wrongdoings that contradict the Quranic commandments. They tried to assail Dr. Khalifa's character and falsely accused him of insulting the Prophet Muhammed. They falsely accused him of declaring himself a prophet. This was done despite him clearly admitting to the Quranic fact that Muhammed was the LAST prophet. They attributed many lies to him, to divert the people away from his call on the Muslims to go back to the Quran, the GREAT book they deserted, see 25:30. After they failed in assailing his character and in diverting the people away from his call to go back to the Quran, they assassinated him in January, 1990. They were hoping to put an end to that strong Quranic message of God ALONE and Quran ALONE. His death was a reminder of the Quranic fact that is well presented in 2:87; "We gave Moses the scripture, and subsequent to him we sent other messengers,and we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it not a fact that EVERY TIME a messenger went to you with anything you disliked, your ego caused you to be arrogant? Some of them you REJECTED, and some of them you KILLED." 2:87 His assassins and those behind them never realized that, NEITHER Dr. Khalifa's discovery of the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran NOR his message, belonged to him, but rather to the AUTHOR of the QURAN HIMSELF. While humans, including prophets and messengers, come and go, God and His message are eternal. Dr. Khalifa's message is alive today as much as during his life, and is getting stronger everyday. It has been touching the hearts of the true believers of all the religions in the world who usually find the truth by reading the Quran. This is the same message since the day Adam was put on this Earth, and the day the truth came out of the prophet Muhammed's mouth. Those who tried and those who have been trying to put out God's light will never succeed. 9:32 and 61:8. [61:8] They wish to put out GOD's light with their mouths. But GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers. [61:9] He has sent His messenger with the guidance and the true religion, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers. ********************************************************* DR. RASHAD KHALIFA AND THE MAIN ISSUES: (1) Dr. Khalifa produced one of the best, if not the best, English translation of the Quran that we have today. You have to read it yourself and compare it with other translations to appreciate it. http://www.submission.org/Q-browser.htmlComparing the different translations of the Quran. (2) Dr. Khalifa's book "Quran, Hadiths and Islam" had discussed the issues of Hadiths and Sunna from the Quranic perspective and placed them where they belong. His call to follow the Quran ALONE as the ONLY source of guidance and law in this great religion is discussed with proofs from the Quran. Hadiths and Sunna books have their own historical value and should be looked at as such. We should, however, keep in mind the vast corruption that is clearly reflected in these books. You can download the translation at this site. QURAN, HADITH AND ISLAM: (for download only), (3) The Mathematical Miracle of the Quran is presented in some books of Dr. Khalifa as well as in his translation of the Quran. Many files in AOL library as well as on the Submission Home Page on the Internet, discuss that vast Miracle. This miracle varies from the simple facts that can be calculated by any person to the ones that need an advanced computer program, but there is something for every level. Because of their fear of the miracle, many scholars and their followers, have been attacking it, and trying to confuse the people about it. Some of them are being paid for doing just that, hoping to stop the regular person from finding out for his/herself the truth of the matter. Some of the files in AOL library has debates for and against the miracles. MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN (4) The Mathematical Miracle of the Quran proved beyond doubt that every sura, verse, word, and letter in the Quran have been under the control and the protection of the Author of the Quran. This miracle proved itself as it singled out, the ONLY two verses that have been always suspicious to be an addition to the Quran, that is verses 9:128, 129. These two verses have been historically known to be the ONLY questionable verses in the collection of the Quran after the death of the Prophet Muhammed. It was not Dr. Khalifa who made these verses suspicious, nor was he aware that the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran will single them out. The Muslim scholars knew for over 1400 years that these two verses were suspicious and listed them as such in the Islamic history books. Many Muslims have never been aware that these two verses were suspicious and were surprised to know they are for the first time. They are even more surprised to know that the mathematical miracle proved these two verses to be a human addition. This discovery proved that God kept his promise from the minute the Quran was collected, but the human being was the one who wronged his soul. To understand this issue, I strongly recommend that you read the files about the two false verses in AOL library.. (5) OBEY GOD AND OBEY THE MESSENGER: Contrary to what the Muslim scholars and their followers falsely accused Dr. Khalifa of, he always called on the true believers to follow and obey the prophet Muhammed. He stressed the fact that obeying him and following his teachings, is to follow his message. This means the Quran, and not the teachings written by other men, i.e., the hadiths books that were contaminated by many lies and fabrications. The first few pages of his book, "Quran, hadiths and Islam was dedicated to that theme, "NO SALVATION WITHOUT OBEYING THE MESSENGER" See 3:31-32; 24:56; 72:23...etc. (6) THE PROPHET MUHAMMED was represented by the Quran alone, see 5:48-50. He was forbidden from uttering any religious instructions other than the Quran, see 69:40-47 and was ordered NEVER to deviate from the Quran, see 17:73-75. The prophet Muhammed was ordered to deliver the Quran ALONE, without the least alteration and never to fabricate anything else, see 10:15-18. The example of the prophet Muhammed is well kept in the Quran, the book that God promised to preserve and protect. (7) ONE GOD AND ONE SOURCE: Dr. Khalifa stressed the fact that throughout the Quran, the message is clear to the believers that Quran should be the ONLY SOURCE of religious teachings. Furthermore, God is telling us in the Quran that the acceptance of any other source for religious guidance equals the setting up of OTHER GODS BESIDE GOD, see 6:19 and 17:39. (8) ABUSE OF THE QURAN: It was also stressed that many scholars and their followers abused the Quran to idolize the prophet Muhammed against his will. Verses like 33:56 have been used to glorify and commemorate the prophet instead of God. In doing so, the scholars ignored the true meaning of the verse and disregarded other verses that clarify its meaning, e.g., 33:43 and 9:103. It was also stressed that the abuse of verses like 33:21 to justify following the hadiths, does not stand the test of the Quran. The Quran teaches us that the prophet Muhammed is represented by the Quran ALONE, see 5:48-50. It also teaches that in Abraham and those who believed in him a good example as in Muhammed. Dr. Khalifa reminded everyone that the prophet Muhammed was a good example for all of us, because he followed the Quran and nothing but the Quran. Those who seek to follow the example of the prophet Muhammed can do that by following the Quran alone. (9) THE TRUE LOVE OF MUHAMMED is to follow his message, the Quran and nothing but the Quran. Following the books of Hadiths and Sunna, does not represent love for the prophet but rather represents defiance for God and His messenger. Both God and His messenger ordered the Muslims to follow only the Quran. (10) INTERCESSION IS A MYTH: Quoting the Quran, Dr. Khalifa presented the fact that God is teaching us that INTERCESSION belongs only to God (39:44). Also, on the LAST DAY there will be no intercession, see 2:254. In 21:28, God is telling us clearly that the prophets cannot intercede except on behalf of those already saved by God, while the prophets themselves worry about their own fate. In defiance of the Quran, the Muslim scholars promised the Muslims that the prophet Muhammed will intercede on their behalf on the LAST DAY to save them the retribution of God. They ignored many verses that contradict the hadiths books, 9:114, 11:46, 111:1-3, 9:80, 2:48, 2:123, 6:51, 6:70, 6:94, 7:53, 10:3.......etc. As we can see from the Quran, neither Noah, Abraham nor Muhammed could intercede on the behalf of their loved ones, so how can they intercede on the behalf of total strangers?! (11) THE SOLE FUNCTION OF THE PROPHET was to deliver the Quran, see 42:48; 13:40; 5:99-100; 16:35; 16:82; 24:54; 29:18; 36:17; & 64:12 (12) THE PROPHET MUHAMMED DID NOT EXPLAIN, INTERPRET OR ANTICIPATE THE QURAN. HE ONLY DELIVERED IT AND FOLLOWED IT. God is the One who teaches the Quran, 55:1-2. He is the One to explain it, 75:16-19. Although many Muslim scholars and their followers claim that the Hadiths books explain the Quran they ignore the fact that the Hadiths and Sunna books do not even have explanations for most of the Quran. (13) The Prophet Abraham is the FOUNDER OF ISLAM, see 22:78, 2:135 and 3:67-68. The Prophet Muhammed was told to follow the religion of Abraham, see 16:123. Who founded Islam? (14) ISLAM IS BASED ON TWO THINGS; 1-THE QURAN BROUGHT TO US VIA MUHAMMED AND, 2- RELIGIOUS PRACTICES THAT CAME TO US VIA ABRAHAM. See 2:127-128; 2:125; 21:72-73; 22:26-27. These religious practices included Shahada (to bear witness that there is no god besides God), Salat (contact prayers), Zakat (obligatory Charity), fasting and Hajj (pilgrimage). (15) ALL OF THE ISLAM RELIGIOUS PRACTICES WERE CORRUPTED AFTER THE PROPHET'S DEATH BY THE FABRICATIONS AND LIES FOUND IN THE HADITHS AND SUNNA BOOKS: In his extensive writings and lectures, Dr. Khalifa showed from the QURAN ALONE how the corruption affected every single religious practice of Islam, including Shahada, ablution, Salat, Zakat fasting and Hajj. He called on the true believers to purify all religious practice to its original form as per the Quran ALONE, devoting every one of them to GOD ALONE. The prophet Muhammed was a follower of Quran ALONE and he could not have deviated from it. The corruption of religions and Innovations in Islam. (16) ONE AUTHENTIC HADITH ABOUT MUHAMMED: It may be to the surprise of many to learn that God gave us an authentic Hadith about the messenger. This has to be the ONLY TRUE authentic hadith about the messenger. THIS ONLY TRUE authentic Hadith that we were given, was given by God in His book, the Quran in 25:30. God Himself told us that the messenger will complain on the Day of Judgment that his people deserted the QURAN. He will NOT be complaining that the people deserted Hadiths and Sunna books. (17) THE ONLY LEGITIMATE HADITH: God used the word "HADITH" in the Quran frequently, and many years before the people used the same word to describe sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammed. In His book, the Quran, God told us that the ONLY LEGITIMATE HADITH is His Hadith, the Quran See 7:185, 10:36, 31:6, 39:23, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 77:50, 39:29..., etc. (18) TWO UNFORTUNATE FACTS OF LIFE that deserve a lot of reflection; 1- The majority of people are disbelievers, see 12:103. 2- The majority of those who believe in God do not do so without committing idol-worship which leads to Hell if maintained till death. See 12:106. Committing idol-worship is as easy as following the wrong opinion of the scholars instead of following the Quran, See 9:31. (19) ZAKAT, THE OBLIGATORY CHARITY is a prerequisite for redemption, see 7:156. Zakat must be given away "on the day of harvest," 6:14, this means the day we receive our income. Zakat, like all the other religious practices in Islam, came down to us from Abraham and has been accepted without dispute as 2.5% of the net income. The specified recipients of Zakat in the Quran are the parents, relatives, orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien in this order. (20) THE END OF THE WORLD was never meant to be hidden permanently, as God told us in the Quran. It was the scholars' misunderstanding of the Quran that gave them the impression that the END of the WORLD will stay hidden to the end. Rather, God is teaching us that He will reveal it at the appropriate time, (7:187) and that its time is ALMOST hidden in the FINAL scripture to the world, the Quran, see 20:15 The Messenger of the Covenant and the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran, by God leave, pointed to the time of the End of the world as found in the Quran. (21) THE AGE OF 40 IS THE AGE OF RESPONSIBILITY; see 46:15. It is the age after which the mature adult is responsible for his/her choice, GOD ALONE or not. (22) The Quran informs us that Jesus was a human messenger of God, whose sole mission was to deliver God's message. Contrary to the Muslim scholars, Quran is telling us that Jesus is now dead, 4:171; 5:75; 5:117. His soul was taken to Heaven before his enemies can get to his body, 4:158. Those who consider Jesus to be God, or son of God or part of a trinity are "pagans," (5:17,72, 73). No-where in the Quran does God inform us that Jesus is coming back to this Earth, as his mission was completed by delivering his message before God took his soul.. God is teaching us that the soul that is taken to Heaven is not permitted back to this Earth. See 23:100. (23) The Quran is teaching us, and contrary to what the Muslim scholars have been teaching, that Muhammed WAS NOT ILLITERATE, and that he wrote the Quran with his own hands with the other writers. Remember that the first revelation to Muhammed was "READ" (96:1-4), and the second revelation was the "PEN" (68:1). This issue was discussed in details from the Quran in Dr. Khalifa's comments. Prophet Muhammad wrote God's revelations with his own hand. (24) GOD NEVER ORDERED ABRAHAM TO KILL HIS SON ISMAIL: God, the Most Merciful, never violates His own law, (7:28). The Quran NEVER said that it was God who ordered Abraham to kill his son, but it was rather a dream that Abraham thought it was from God. God would not order a father to kill his beloved son. On the contrary, it was God who saved Abraham and Ismail from Satan's plot (37:107), and He told Abraham; "You believed the dream" (37:105). God never advocates sin (7:28) God never ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son. (25) THE PUNISHMENT OF THE THIEVES ACCORDING TO THE QURAN IS TO CUT (i.e., to mark their hands), and NOT to CUT OFF (amputate) their hands. It was the Muslim scholars in their fabricated Hadiths books who invented the punishment to amputate the hand of the thieve. The Quran is talking about "cut" and not "cut off." The punishment of the thieve as mentioned in 5:38 is clarified by the use of the same words, i.e., cutting the hands in 12:31. In both places, cutting is different than cut off. Notice that 5:38 and 12:31 also share the same mathematical equivalence, i.e., 5+38 =43 =12+31. No co-incidence. Islamic Justice system as per Quran and Quran Alone. (26) STONING TO DEATH OF THE MARRIED ADULTERESS is a satanic invention and against the teachings of the Quran. GOD GAVE US A CLEAR LAW IN SURA 24. The punishment for adultery is whipping in public, a hundred symbolic lashes. The basic punishment here is social pressure and scandalizing the criminal. Whipping in public achieves this goal. See 24:1-10. Those who were corrupted by the teachings of the altered Bible introduced this non-Quranic punishment to Islam in the form of Hadith. (27) QURAN DISCOURAGES CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (2:179). "The free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female" (2:178). The strict observance of this equivalence is the key in saving lives and is the expected behavior of the true believers. The Quran prefers that a murderer compensates the victim's family. When God speaks, He means every word He says. Capital Punishment in Islam. (28) Dr. Khalifa presented his views from the Quran about, 'THE PURPOSE OF OUR LIVES; and WHY WE ARE HERE.' Special emphasis was made on the HEAVENLY dispute, 38:69, and its relation to the creation of Adam and the descent of both Satan and Adam to the Earth. (29) WHO IS YOUR GOD?: Although most of the people will proclaim that their God is the creator of the Heaven and Earth, 29:61; 29:63; 31:25; 39:38; 43:9; 43:87, they only are giving lip service. Quran is teaching us that 'YOUR GOD IS WHOEVER OR WHATEVER OCCUPIES YOUR MIND MOST OF THE TIME.' Your god can be your children (7:190), your spouse (9:24), your business (18:35), your Imam, or religious scholars (9:31) or your ego (25:43). Who is your God? (3O) TRUE HAPPINESS IS IN SUBMISSION TO GOD ALONE. These were ONLY some of the issues that is raised, discussed or brought forth from the Quran by Dr. R. Khalifa. As we have seen, all the issues are Quranic and supported by Quranic proofs. Those who hate the truth will always try to distort the Quranic issues brought to our attention by the messenger of the covenant. This is but history repeats itself. The disbelievers and hypocrites will try as always to put out God's light, but we know better: [9:32] They want to put out GOD's light with their mouths, but GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers. [61:8] They wish to put out GOD's light with their mouths. But GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Alaykum; Ahmad; When you are coming back with your next delivery will you be good enough to bring along with you the dispatcher (your master) himself, you know we can’t keep debating the contents of the message with the carrier. Your job as a carrier was just to copy and paste and not to debate as you yourself admitted. I actually tried to post some comments on those sites you normally get your shipments from, and they cowardly do not have discussion pages. Well, I wasn’t surprised. Wasalaamu Alaykum
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| | Unrecorded Date Meesha kala oo lala doodaayey ninkaa oo cinwaankeeda ah (About AHMED from free-minds (the submitters) Sheyaadiinta Casriga ahmoud Abib wrote:) ninkale oo soomaali ah oo ku jirey submitters oo beeneeneenaayey in uu yahay qolodaas ayaa beentiisii lagu qabtey sida hada ninkaa axmad uu u beeneynaayo markii lagu qabtey in uu yahay submitters. ------------ > This is getting to be nauseating sir. I know that the truth sometimes hurts and it can also be nauseating. > I NEVER discussed with you my relationship > with a khalifate or with any other group. Mr. Abib, I believe you are the victim of firmly fix and deep-rooted habits-- showing evasion is as frequent and customary to you. May be, this is your habit of avoiding the issue. You are trying to convince us now that you are not one of the Khalifates, but you have built so solid and unsavory a reputation that only few are likely to be misled by your denial---and then, not for long until they read your confession below which shows that you are one of them. "As of yesterday, I instructed +our secretary+ to delete your name from the data base. You will not be receiving anything +from us+." "OUR SECRETARY" and "FROM US"! > >It might have been in the year 1993 or in late 1992. > It was 1993, and the place was Compuserve Religion forums. I don't see the contradiction. > >Anyway, I was curious to know why would a Somali person > >join a group which Rashad Khalifa established.! > Should you lie? That was not what you told me. > You said that you believed that I was Somali. > And that you recognized me by my last name. Yes, I knew you were a Somali, but I also believed that you were one of the Khalifates too. That is why I was curious to know why would a Somali person join a group which Rashad Khalifa established.!! No, lying there, is there? > I told you that I was. You also told me that you were one of the Khalifates. > You praised me and showed me your interest of > RK's writings. I don't know about praising, but what I showed you was a friendly discourse and I requested that you send me a copy of his so called Qur'an, not the three books RK wrote that you sent me. >I forwarded your name to those who handle shipments > of books. I told them to send you all the books > and that I will pay all of your cost. And I thanked you for doing that. I even offered to send you the cost of these books that you sent me. > It seems that you received all that which you requested. And more, but I don't regret to have received them all, becuase I learnt a lot from them, but the truth and the real Islam always out shines the deviated teachings that look like Islam. > I was neither interested in converting you nor do I care > what your believes are. Infact, I never followed up as > to what you thought of the materials I sent you till we > met again here at SCS. So Bashir, how dare you will malign > my sincere intentions? I didn't malign your intentions and I didn't question the reasons you sent me those books by Rashad Khalifa, but I only pointed out that you were and still are one of the members of Rashad Khalifa's cult. > Surprisingly, the Khalifates view on this subject is similar to yours. > They claim Allah commanded Abraham to practice (although this nonsense > is no where in the Quran) circumcision and prophet Muhammad practiced it, > and, since their last messenger (Rashad Khalifa) did not say anything about > circumcision, it must have been approved by God! This is another warped > logic and a miserable conclusion. You see, you and the Khalifates have > one main thing in common, Quran alone is not sufficient for either of > you. You are both idol-worshipers, and unless you repent and reform, > you will spend eternity in the hell-fire. Mr. Abib, it is clear here that you have a one-track mind, and soon everyone will realize that you are ridding a superficial track, which is full of extreme insincerity that makes you look absurd to the point where you bore everyone to distraction. Do you think now that we will not consider you as one of Khalifate? If you aren't a Khalifate, then, you are addicted to the habit of being a monomaniac as though you are an iconoclast But, we know you are what you are, a Khalifate since a lot of your ideas really came from Rashad Khalifa. Your ways of thinking is sufficiently similar to him; thus, you could be described by the name of Khalifate since he was the one who originated those ideas of yours. You see, a Khalifite means something more than a mere rejection of hadeeth. It represents, rather, a whole complex of ideas and views which are identifiable with the teachings of Khalifa which you clearly follow. You might want to reject quite a few of his ideas now and still be legitimately called a Khalifite. There is no difference between, say for example, an open-minded Khalifite, which you are trying to be, and a blind-faith Khalifite. They are all the same to me. You want to acknowledge that Khalifa only made mistakes and he was not a messenger, but then you want to promote his mistakes on to this forums, and use his so called the translation of the Qur'an which you also still sending it to others as a good Qura'n.!!!!!! Is this an example of hypocrisy or what? The fact that you attend his center, Tucson Masjid, which he established and you promote his teachings and still engage mailing his so called the translation of the Qura’n to people proofs to me that you are one of his students. --------------------- Asagoo hadda beeneynaayo in uu qoladaas ka mid yahay ninkaa axmed ah sidan ayuu dhahay: (UNTILL I prove that Rashad was not a Messenger...they’re STILL very much Muslims to me -- like it or not. I’m not a biased who just runs around calling people names that they do not deserve)
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear brothers and sisters; There were many claimants of prophet or Messengerhood after prophet Mohamed (pbuh). Everybody, who claims that, is a lair and a wicked person. When Allah (swt) declared that prophet Mohammed is the last of Allah’s prophets, Rashad and others could not understand that it is even more proper that prophet Mohammed to be the last of Allah’s messengers, because Messengerhood is more specific than Prophethood. Brother Umar is doing a very good job in clarifying this matter and we will, by the grace of Allah continue to do that, but first let Ahmad call his masters (the people whose message he bears) Rashad Khalifah was not the first of these series of liars and he will certainly not be the last of them, this list of liars will end with Masiih al Dajaal. Whatever these liars and Wicked people claim have descended on them is from evil (Shaydan) as Allah the most glorious and the most high has told us; Al-Shu’araa. 221. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? Al-Shu’araa. 222. They descend on every lying, wicked person. SADAQA ALAAHU AL CADIIM Wasalaamu Alaykum
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Tuug la qabtay talo ma leh ayay Soomaalidu tiraahdaa. Wuxuu yiri Nebi Maxamed Sallalaahu Calayhi WaSalim Ummi Ma Ahayn oo waxna wuu qori jiray waxna wuu akhrin jiray. Wuxuu ula dan lahaa in uu yiraahdo Nebiga Suuban wuu been abuurtay (Ilaahay Baan Ka Magan Galnay) oo wuxuu ka soo min guuriyay Kutubtii hore. Waxaa cadaatay in uu isagu yahay tuugga soo minguuriyay wax uusan aqoon u lahayn. Aynu dib ugu noqono "Yaa Yaxya Khudi Al-Kitaaba Bil Quwah"(19:12). Waxaan shaki ku jirin in Nebi Yaxye aabihii ahaa Nebi Zakariya Calayhim Wacalaa Nebiyunaa Al-Salaam. Waxaa hubaal ah in Nebi Zakariye soo kariyay Maryama Calayhaa Al-Salaam. Maryamana ahayd Bikradii Dhashay Nebi Ciise Calayhaa Al-Salaam. Waxaa hubaal ah in Nebi Yaxye ka hor dhashay Nebi Ciise ayna isu da' dhawaayeen oo isa soo gaareen. Waxaan cad in Nebi kasta oo Ilaahay loo Waxyeedo ayna tahay in uu raaco Rasuulkii ka horeeyay ama la jooga ama uu soo gaaro. Waxaa cad in Rasuul kasta oo Ilaahay yahay Nebi loo Waxyeedo isla markaasna loo soo dhiibay Risaalo (fariin) RUMAYNAYSA Risaalooyinkii ka horeeyay isla markaasna dejinaysa mid dhamaystirta tii ka horaysay. Waxyi waa Awood Ilaahay Oo Uu Addoomadiisa Cid Uu Ka Doono (dad iyo duunyo) Ugu Ilhaamiyo. "Yunazilu Al-Malaa'ikata Bil Al-Ruuxi Min Amrihi Calaa Man Yashaa'u Min Cibaadihi An Anthir Annahu Laa Ilaaha Illaa Anaa Fa Taquuni"(16:2) Waxay Malaa'iktiisu Ku Soo Dejiyaan Ruuxsa (Waxyi) Ilaahay Soo Amray Addoomadiisa Ciddii Uu Doono In Ay U Digaan Addoomadiisa Kale In Ilaahay Leeyahay Ilaah Kale Ma Jiro Aniga Mooyee Sidaa Darteed Iga Baqa Oo I Xusuusta. "Wa Awxaa Rabbuka Ilaa Al-Naxl"(16:68) Markii Ilaahay U WAXYOODAY Shini. Subxaanuhu Haddii Uu Wax Damco Wuxuu Dhihi "KUN" Ahow Markaas Bay Noqon. Bal fiiri doqon yahay waxaa kula adkaatay in Ilaahay U Waxyeedo Dad. SHINI Buu Ilaahay U Waxyooday. Haddii aad tahay mid wax garad ah. "Yaa Yaxye Khudi Al-Kitaab Bil Quwah" Markii kuwa Ilaahay Nacladay ee Dhashii Israa'iil ku yiraahdeen Nebiyu Allah Muuse Calayhi Wacalaa Nebiyunaa Al-Saam "Na tus Ilaahay" ee buurta kor loogu qaaday ee ay suuxeen. Markay soo baraarugeen ayaa Ilaahay Ku Yiri: "Khuduu Maa Aataynaakum Biquwah, Wath Kuruu Maa Fiihi Lacalakum Tataquun"(2:63) Xoog U Qabsada Waxaan Idiin Keenay Oo Xusuusta Waxa Ku Jira Kitaabka Muuse Waxaa Laga Yaabaa In Aad Noqotaan Kuwa Alla Cabsi Leh. "Wa Ith Akhadnaa Miithaaqukum Wa Rafacnaa Fooqakum Al-dhuur KHUDUU Maa Aataynaakum Bi QUWAH Was Macuu"(2:93) Markii Aan Korkiina Kor Uga Qaadnay Buurta Ayaan Heshiis Idinka Qaadnay In Aad Si Adag U Qabsataan Wax Aan Idiin Keenay (Kitaabi Muusaa) Iyo In Aad Maqashaan. "Wakatabnaa Lahu Fil Al-Alwaaxi Min Kuli Shay'in Mawcitha Wa Tafsiilan Likuli Shay'in Fa Khud-haa Bi Quwah Wa Mur Qawmika Yakhuduu Bi Ax-sanihaa"(7:145) Waxaan Ugu Qornay Nebi Muuse Al-waax (looxyo) Wacyi Wax Kasta Waxaanna U Fasirnay Wax Kasta Waxaanna Ku Niri U Qabso Looxdan Si Adag Qawmkaagana (dadkaaga) Far In Ay Qaataan Tiisa Fiican. "Khuduu Maa Aataynaakum Bi Quwah Wath Kuruu Maa Fiihi Lacalakum Tataquun"(7:171) Si Adag U Qabsada Waxaan Idiin Keenno Oo Xusuusta Waxa Ku Jira Waxaa Laga Yaabaa In Aad Noqotaan Kuwa Alla Ka Cabsi Leh. Hadaba Nebi Yaxye Calayhi Salaam Waxaa Ilaahay Ku Yiri "Yaa Yaxye Khudi Al-Kitaab Bil Quwah" sidoo kalana Ilaahay reer Bani Israa'il wuxuu ku yiri "Khuduu Maa Aataynaakum Bil Quwah". Nebi Zakariyan Wuxuu Ilaahay Ka Baryay Wiil Dhaxla Isaga iyo Alla Yacquub. "Yarithinii Wa Yarithu Min Aala Yacquub"(19:6) Yacquubna Wuxuu Ahaa Israa'iil Nebigi Alla Aabaha reer Bani Israa'iil. Marka Ilaahay Ku Leeyahay Nebigiisa "Yaa Yaxye Khudi Al-Kitaaba Bil Quwah" Wuxuu Ilaahay Noo Sheegayaa Sheekadii Nebi Ciise Calayhi Salaam Iyo Siduu Ku Dhashay. Ka Dibna Ilmo Hadda Dhashay Isagoo ah Ayuu Ilaahay Ka Hadliyay: "Qala Innii Cabdu Allah Aataanii Al-Kitaaba Wa Jacalanii Nabiya"(19:30) Wuxuu Yiri Waxaan Ahay Addoon Ilaahay Wuxuuna Ilaahay I Siiyay Kitaab Wuxuuna Iga Yeelay Nebi. Yaa Kitaabka La Siiyay Nebi Ciise mise Nebi Yaxye Calayhim Wa Calaa Nebiyunaa Al-Salaam? Intaas waxaan filayaa in ay ku filan tahay in ay naga dharjiso farqiqa u dhaxeeya Nebi iyo Rasuul. Sidoo kale in aan garano macnaha Waxyi. Ilaahayow Nagu Anfac. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear brother Nur, Jazaka-Allahu Khayran. You are doing the better job and you are right---Messenger-hood is more specific than Propher-hood. And for this reason, the Messenger-hood of our Muhammad started when Angel Jibriil FIRST came to him and told him to RECITE----"IQRA-BISMI-RABIKA-LADII-KHALAQA"---which is the very first Revelation of the message of the QURAN---And after that---Revelations kept coming----In fact, it is reported the Messenger to have about the coming of the Revelation: "I have never abhorred anyone more than a poet or a mad man. I can't stand looking at either of them. I will never tell anyone of Quraish of my Revelation. I will climb a mountain and throw myself down and die. That will relieve me. I went to do that mountain, but halfway up the mountain, I heard a voice from the sky saying "O Muhammad! 'You are the MESSENGER of ALLAH and I am Jibriil' I stopped and looked at him. His sight distracted my attention from what I had intended to do. I stood in my place transfixed. I tried to shift my eyes away from him. He was in every direction I looked at. I stopped in my place without any movement until Khadijah sent someone to look for me. He went down to Makkah and came back while I was standing in the same place. Jirbriil then left, and I went back home. I found Khadijah at home, so I sat very close to her. She asked 'Father of Al-Qasim! Where have you been? I sent someone to look for you. He went t Makkah and returned to me.' I told her of what I had seen. She replied" 'It is a propitious sign, O my husband. Pull yourself together, I swear by my Allah that you are a MESSENGER for this nation.' Then she stood up and went to Waraqa and informed him. Waraqa said: 'I swear by Allah that he has received the same Namus, i.e. angel that sent to Muuse. He is a MESSENGER. Tell him to be patient.' She came back to him and told him of Waraqa's words. When the Messenger of Allah finished his solitary stay and went down to Makkah, he went to Waraqa, who told him "You are a Prophet of this nation. I swear by Allah that you are received the same angel that was sent to Muuse". Meanwhile, Muhammad was caught in a sort of depression coupled with astonishment and perplexity. The Divine inspiration paused for a while and he became so sad, as we have heard, that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains, and every time he went up the top of the mountain in order to throw himself down, Jibriil would appear before him and say: "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Messenger in truth", whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and return home. Whenever the period of the coming of the Revelation used to become long, he would do as before, but Gabriel would appear again before him and say to him what he had said before. 'The was to relieve the Messenger of Allah of the fear he experienced and to make him long for the Revelation. When the shades of puzzle receded, the flags of truth were raised, the Messenger of Allah knew for sure that he had become the MESSENGER of the GREAT Lord. The Messenger of Allah said "While I was walking, I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up, and surely enough, it was the same angel who had visited me in the cave of Hira. He was sitting on a chair between the earth and the sky. I was very afraid of him and knelt on the ground. I went home saying: 'Cover me...." Then Allah revealed to me the verses: "YA-AYU-HAL-MUD-THIR-QUM-FA-AN-DIR.....". Thus, this proofs that *Messenger-hood* is the first thing Muhammad received. Angel Jibriil kept telling him that he was the Messenger of Allah and the verse telling him to recite, arise and warn. Unlike Ahmed and Submitters belief, Muslims believe that Messenger-hood is always with Revelation---not so with the prophet-hood. Messenger/Prophet Muhammad was first told to RECITE IQRA and then was told to arise and warn----both these saying being in the Revealed Quranic Ayats. Thus, no more message is to come from Allah and thus, Mohammed’s Messenger-hood---as well as--his prophet-hood---is the SEAL of all messengers and prophets of Allah. So, since there is no more message to come from Allah and that Muhammad is the seal of all prophets and since Ahmed and the Submitters are saying only prophets receive BOOKS(messages)---then there will not be another messenger after Muhammad. !!! :-) Prophet/Messenger Ciise will come back as both a prophet and a messenger with no message---and since Muhammad is the seal of all prophets, then Muhammad is the seal of all messengers. !!! :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Walaalayaasha. Maad sugtaan ninka odaga ah intuu kasoo laabanaayo bal si aan u aragno wuxuu ku hadlo iyo beentiisa?. Aniga waxaan qabaa inaan sugno maxaa yeeley wuu aqristaa halkaan oo waa ogyahay in ilaahey dulleeyey oo nabi maxammed nabsigiisii qabtey. waxaan idin oran lahaa halasugo oo si fiican haloo qabto ninka oo yaanan fursad loo siin inuu baxsado.
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| | Unrecorded Date To: All Brothers Asalaama Caleykum Walaal waad mahad santihiin sidaad Gaalkaa u kashifteen, waxaan maanta booqday homepage Gaaldaas, waxaan layaabay waxay meesha ku yahaan, waxay inkiree Xadiisa nebiga Salalaahu calehi wasalam. Waxaa ladhahaa Qur,aaniyeen oo waa Gaalo cad, Waxaa kutub ka qoray Sheikh Al-Baani Raximahulaahi. Qofkii inkira Xadiiska nebiga Waxaa culumada Salafka oo dhan isku raaceen inuu yahah Gaald Diinta kaxaya, waxaana fiican in Gaalka Gaalnimadiisa loo sheego si xigmadi ku jirto, Haduu diidana looga digo dadka sida aad Axmed u gasheen oo kale.Gaalinda ninkaa waxaa Dadliil u ah meesha uu wax ka sooqoro sidan ================================================= THE MUSLIMS ALSO EXPECT THE MEHDI, MAHDI, EL MEHDI, AL MAHDI OR IMAM AL ZAMAN TO APPEAR AT ANY TIME, ANY DAY The Muslims after the death of prophet Muhammed made their own innovations and fabrications that have no basis in the Quran. They even wrote many books to compete with the book of God, the Quran. The book that God called, the BEST HADITH and asked His true believers to follow no other book than His Quran. In these fabricated books of hadith, stories of a future coming righteous man, named Mehdi, Mahdi or Imam Al Zaman, were circulated. Al Mahdi, El Mehdi or Imam Al Zaman have no basis or origin in Islam or its Holy book, the Quran. Quran ONLY talks about a consolidating and unifying messenger of God who would come after all the prophets have come (see Quran 3:81). The Quran named that messenger of God, the Messenger of the Covenant . In essence he fulfills all the expectations of the Jews, Christians and Muslims of a unifying figure for all of God's messages.. ================================================= Hadalkan waa Hadal Baadil ah iyo Gaalnimo Walaalkiin
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Mar haddii Ilaahay Na Solansiiyay in aan sugno macnaha Nebi iyo Rasuul. Bal aynu weli sii fanadno waxa uu Qoray Munaafaqu: "Muslims do say; “salalaahu calayhi wasalam” ONLY on Prophet Muhammad while they say other Messenger to; “calayahi salam” -- Muslims visit ONLY Prophet Muhammad’s tumb." Wuxuu hadlaba wuxuu yiri Muslimiintu way khaldan yihiin oo waxay kala saaraan Rusushii Ilaahay Mar Uu Ilaahay Leeyahay "Laa Nufariqu Bayna Axadin Min Rusulihi" wuxuuna tusaale u soo qaaday hadalkiisa kor ku qoran. Maxaan u dhahnaa haddii aan Musliin Nahay markii Magaca Suubanow Rasuulkii Ilaahay Maxamed Bin Cabdullahi la soo qaado "Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Salim?" Maxaanse sidoo kale u dhihi waynay markii Nebiyada iyo Rususha Ilaahay ee kale la soo qaado? Waa su'aal quman haddii ay daacad tahay. Hase yeeshee maadaama ay Manaafaq ka timid waa su'aal lagu durayo Islaamka isla markaasna lagu kala qaybinayo Rususha Ilaahay Calayhim Al-Salaam. Jawaabtuse waa mid sahlan. Ilaahay Baan Amar Buuxa oo Laab Laab iyo Shaki Lahayn Nagu Siiyay In Aan Ku Salino Rasuulkiisa Suuban. "Inna Allaha Wa Malaa'ikatihi Yusalluuna Cala Al-Nebiyi. Yaa Ayuhaa Al-Lathiina AAMANUU Salluu Calayhi Wa Salimuu Tasliima"(33:56) Waxaa Ilaahay Iyo Malaa'iktiisu Ku Salliyaan Nebiga. Hooy Kuwa Alle Rumeeyoow (Mu'miniintoow) Ku Salliya Nebiga oo Salaama Salaan. "Salluu Cala Nebiyi" Sallalaahi Calayhi "Wa Salimuu Tasliima" Wa Salim Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Salim. "Wa Salimuu Tasliima" garanay oo waa "Al-Salaamu Calaykum" ee Nebi Allow waa sideen kuugu Sallinaa? Markii ay saxaabadii Rasuulka Suuban (SCW) waydiiyeenna wuxuu yiri: Waxaad Tiraahdaan: Allaahuma Salli Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Sallayta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahim Fil Caalimiina Inaka Anta Xamiidu Al-Majiid. Allaahuma Baarik Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Baarakta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahim Fil Caalimiina Inaka Anta Xamiidu Al-Majiid. Oo Yaa Ka Amar Weyn Ilaahay Haddii Uu Na Faray In Aan Ku Sallino Oo Aan Salaanno Rasuulka Suuban (SCW) Yuu yahay Manaafaqu in uu hadal ka keeno. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Bashir. Haddii la sugo iyo haddii kale waa isku mid. Correction: *Prophet-hood* is the first thing Muhammad received, then *Messenger-hood*. Every one first becomes a prophet---Ilaaheey baa u doorta nabinimo----then---rasuulnimo ayuu noqdaa oo ka darja sareysa nabinimada because of the risaalada. Angel Jibriil kept telling Muhammad that he was the Messenger of Allah and the verses telling him to *recite*, *arise* and *warn* shows that he was sent as a messenger as well as a prophet-----but his messenger-hood is so great that it is more than his prophet-hood----that is why other Prophets and Messengers before Muhammad were only sent to their specific people--some were sent only to their families and other to their nations and tribes---but Prophet/Messenger Muhammad is the only one who was sent to everyone----and this is because his Messenger-hood is more specific than his Propher-hood. So, when Allah said the that Muhammad is the seal of all prophets; it also means Muhammad is the seal of all Messengers----because there is no new message is to come after Muhammad. Submitters and Ahmed say that Prophet/Messenger Ciise will correct things like, but he would not be doing changes the message Muhammad brought. So, there point is that they say Rashad Khalifa as a messenger came to do some correction of the Diin and new revelation about his 19 thing. But Allah said He completed his Diin with Muhammad and he is the seal of prophets. There were three mojor BOOKS that were GIVEN to FOUR messengers/prophets. SABUUR/TOWRAH/INJIIL/QURAN. Other messengers and prophets received what is called SUXUF and some prophets followed other prophet's BOOKS----so every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN. That is the correct understanding as far as I know. :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "FYI, *Mushrik* is not something that makes people suddenly become kuffars -- as long as the GOD IS ONE and MUHAMMAD WAS A PROPHET OF HIS is in tact -- one is STILL very much Muslim, no matter how he sins...or rebels against practices. A little Islamic mind...won’t hurt! God says; “THE ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN IS SHIRK” --- “SIN”....DUuuuuhhhh?" Isn't a *Mushrik* the one who does a *SHIRK*?!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date There are seven (7) essentials to basic Islamic faith not believing in one of these essentials a person remained outside the fold of Islam ESSENTIALS OF IMAN ( IMAN MUFASSAL) There are seven (7) essentials to basic Islamic faith not believing in one of these essentials a person remained outside the fold of Islam ( IMAN MUFASSAL) "I believe in Allah, in His Angels, His Scriptures, His Prophets, the Day of Judgement, and in the fact that every thing good or bad (in the world) is pre-destined by Allah the Exalted, and in the resurrection after death." In summary the Muslims believe in Allah, in His Angels, Holy Scriptures (Quran, true bible and Torah etc.), the Prophets, believe in the life after death, including interrogation in the grave, punishment in the grave, Distraction of this Universe one day (doom day) resurrection, the Day of Judgement, rendering account of ones deeds, and passing over the Siraat Bridge, believe in the existence of Paradise, and the believers will live in it for ever, believe in the existence of Hell, with its severest punishments, and that it will last for ever. All the seven things stated in Iman Mufassal are quite evident from the sacred text of the Holy Qur'an, as well as, from the holy words of The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him) FIVE (5) PILLARS OF ISLAM The Prophet (Peace be on him) has described five fundamentals article (pillars) of Islam. Which are (1) Believe in oneness of Allah (2) Five time daily Salaat (3) Payment of Zakat poor due (4) Fasting in month of Ramadhan (5) Hajj ( pilgrimage to Mecca). The five (5) fundamental pillar of Islam do not include: belief in angels; the Divine Scriptures; the Day of Judgement and Fate (Taqdir) etc. The simple explanation is that the five pillars of Islam are supported by the Holy Quran and saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him). Therefore believing in them (7 essential Iman Mufassal) a muslim is obliged to believing in their saying i.e. Holy Prophet and Holy Quran. Believes in the seven (7) essentials of Iman Mufassal from the core of his heart, and also affirms these to be true with his tongue but fails in performing the prayers; giving the Alms (Zakaat); observing the Fasts; not going for the holy pilgrimage (Hajj) remain a Muslim, but a big sinner, and disobedient to Allah. A person of this description is called Faasiq (transgressor). Such a person will be taken into task and might get salvation after undergoing punishment for the sins. 1. THE BELIEFS OF MUSLIMS REGARDING ALLAH Muslims should have the belief about Allah: 1. Allah the Most Exalted is One. 2. None is worthy of worship and devotion except Allah. 3. There is no partner of Allah. 4. He Knows everything; nothing is hidden from Him 5. He is All Powerful and Mighty. 6. It is He who created the earth, the sky, the moon, the sun, the stars, the angels, human beings, genies and the entire universe. 7. He gives life and death. In other words, life and death of all creatures take place by His command. 8. He feeds all His creation. 9 He does not eat, drink, or sleep. 10. He is Self-existent from eternity and will last till eternity. 11. No one has created Him. 12. He has no father, no son, no daughter, no wife, or other relations. He is above all such relationships. 13. All depend on Him. He does not depend on anyone, and He has no needs. 14. He is Peerless. There is nothing like Him. Nothing resembles Him. 15. He is free from all imperfections. 16. Unlike His creatures, He does not have hands, legs, nose, ears, face and shape. 17. After creating the angels He has appointed them to carry out specific tasks, and to manage the affairs of the universe. 18. He sent messengers for the guidance of His creatures; to teach people how to follow the true religion, do good deeds, and forbid them from the evil things. 2. THE ANGELS (MALAAIKAH) Angels are a creation of Allah, the Almighty, created from light (NUR). They are invisible to us. They are neither male nor female. They do not disobey Allah and do not commit acts of sin. They are always busy in doing their task, assigned to them by Allah. The angels are many . No one except Allah know their exact number. We, however, know that there are many angels. Four of them are very famous and close to Allah. The first one of them is Angle Jibra'il (Gabriel) who brought Allah's Scriptures, Messages, and Commands to the prophets. The second is Angle Israfil who will blow the trumpet on the Day of Judgement. The third is Angle Mika'il who is appointed to manage the rains and to deliver livelihood to Allah's creatures. The fourth is Angle Izra'il, responsible for ending the life of Allah's creatures. 3. THE BOOKS OF ALLAH (The Divine Scriptures) The Divine Scriptures (Books of Allah) are big and small. They were revealed to the Prophets. The big ones are called the Books, and the small ones are known as the Scrolls (Sahifas). The four famous Divine Books, and who are the Prophets upon whom these were revealed? 1. The Holy Taurat (Torah) was revealed to Prophet Musa (Moses) (Peace be upon him) 2. The Holy Zabur (Psalms) was revealed to Prophet Da'ud (David) (Peace be upon him). 3. The Holy Injil (The New Testament) was revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus) (Peace be upon him), and the 4. The Holy Qur'an, was revealed to our Holy Prophet Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). The exact number of the Divine Scrolls (Sahifas) is not known. Nevertheless, some of them were revealed to Prophet Adam (Peace be on him), some to Prophet Sheeth (Peace be on him) and some to Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), peace be on him. Apart from theses there are other Scrolls that were revealed to some other prophets. 4. THE MESSENGERS OF ALLAH (peace be on them) The Allah's Messengers (Rasuls) are human beings, and Allah's servants. Allah appointed them to convey His messages to the other human beings. They were truthful; never lie, and did not commit sin. They showed miracles on Allah's commands; convey His messages in full, without adding, or leaving out anything from the orders of Allah. Nor did they withhold any of His messages. The Prophets (Nabi) were also human beings, and Allah's servants, They convey the commands of Allah to His beings; were truthful and never told a lie, nor committed any sins. They did not subtract or add anything in the commands of Allah, nor did they hide any Divine orders. There is a minor difference between a Messenger (Rasul), and a Prophet (Nabi). A Rasul is that Messenger, who is given a new Shariat (Divine Law) and a new Book. All Messengers are also known as Prophets, whether or not they are given a new Shariat (Divine Law). Thus, a Nabi may followed the previous Shariat and the Book. The prophet were appointed only by Allah's choice; meaning that there were no role for human effort, or intentions in this regard. This bestow, solely, depends on Allah's will. Many Messengers and Prophets came to this world only Allah knows their exact number. A Muslim should believe and testify that all of them were true and right Messengers of Allah. The first Prophet was Prophet Adam (Peace be on him)., The last Prophet was The Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (Peace be on him). The Muslims believe that the appointment of the Prophets and Messengers ended with The Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (Peace be on him). No new Prophet will come until the Day of Judgement. After Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him), whosoever claims to be a prophet, is a liar. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him) is the most exalted and glorious of all the Messengers and Prophets. He, too, is Allah's servant and obedient to Him. He is the most exalted after Allah, the Almighty. 5. The Day of Judgement The most single certain and uncertain event in this world is related to the death, everyone certain that he or she will die one day but they are not certain when they will die. It is a fundamental belief of a Muslim that one day this universe will perish on the day of Qiyamma (Doomed day) when Angel Isra'fil (Peace be on him) will blow the trumpet. Its sound will be so frightening and intense that it's shock will kill every living thing and every material will be shattered and destroyed. That day all human beings and living souls Shall die; the entire universe will perish. Mountains will fly like cotton flakes, and the planets and stars etc. will disintegrate and fall down. The Day of Judgement (Qiyamat) is about to come. But no one known its exact time. except Allah. All that is we known is that it will be on (a) Friday, the 10th of Muharram. Our Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him) has foretold some signs of Qiyamat. By observing those signs, nearness of the Day of Judgement can be determined. they are: 1. Sins begin to increase in the world. 2. People begin to disobey their parents, and become harsh towards them. 3. There is breach of trust. 4. Singing, dancing, and revelry is in abundance 5. The new generation begins to find fault in their forefathers. 6. Uneducated, and the ill-educated become the leaders. 7. Shepherds etc. and lowly placed people begin to build lofty buildings. 8. Incompetent and unworthy persons are appointed to high positions. When the above things happen, take that the Qiyamat is near. 6. THE FATE (TAQDIR) Allah knows the good and bad of every thing, and He has full knowledge of His creation even before He brings them into existence. This prior knowledge of Allah is known as Fate or Destiny. Nothing good or bad is beyond Allah's knowledge. 7. Resurrection after death The On the Day of Judgement Angel Israfil (Peace be on him) will blow the trumpet for the second time when all things would re-emerge. The human beings, too, will come to life and presented before Allah, the Almighty, in the Plain of Resurrection (Maidan-e-Hashr). All shall be called to account, and good and bad deeds Will be paid for. The day when all this takes place is called 'Day of Reckoning' (You-mul-Hashr) i.e. when all are gathered; 'Yau-mul-Jaza' i.e. the Day to repay and 'Yau-mul-Hissab' i.e. the Day of Reckoning. Ref: Talimul Islam by Mufti Muhammad Kifayatullah AL-Sidq min Siddiq(The Truth from Siddiq Home http://www.mtl.cronomagic.com/~dsalam/index.html Email: dsalam@mtl.cronomagic.com
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| | Unrecorded Date Quran Commentary (Tafsir): Whosoever expresses his personal opinion in respect of anything in the Qur'an commits a mistake, even if he be right in his opinion." pre-requisites for interpreting the Qur'an. Specialists have laid down that any one attempting a commentary of the Holy Qur'an should be well versed in fifteen subjects. Quran Commentary (Tafsir): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Commented by Shaikul Hadith Maulana Muhammad Zakariyaa Kandhalvi (Late) Abdur Rahman ibn-e-'Auf (Radhi Allaho anho) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) said, "On the Day of Judgement, three things Will be under the shade of the 'Arsh' (Allah's Throne). One, the Holy Qur'an which will argue with men—the Qur'an has both an apparent and deeper meaning. The second will be 'amanat' (trust). The third will be kinship, which shall proclaim 'O. Allah! have mercy on the person who upheld me, and deprive him of Your mercy whosoever severed me." TheQur'an has both an apparent and deeper meaning Comment by Shaikul Hadith Maulana Muhammad Zakariyaa The meaning of the expression "outward and inward of the Qur'an" is evident. The Qur'an has an apparent meaning, which can be understood by all, but the Deeper spiritual significance not understood by everybody. It is in this connection that Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) has said: "Whosoever expresses his personal opinion in respect of anything in the Qur'an commits a mistake, even if he be right in his opinion." Some scholars hold that the word 'outward', i.e., the body of the Qur'an, refers to its words, which can be recited properly by everybody and the word 'inward', i.e., spirit, refers to its meanings, and its underlying ideas, the understanding of which varies with the ability of the readers Ibn-e-Mas'ud (Radhi Allaho anho) said; "If you seek knowledge, you should meditate on the meanings of the Qurtan, because it embodies the history of the former times as well as of the latter." It is, however, essential to obsene the pre-requisites for interpreting the Qur'an. An unbecoming present-day fashion is that even those who possess a little or no knowledge of Arabic vocabulary offer their personal opinion on the basis of vernacular translations of the Qur'an. Specialists have laid down that any one attempting a commentary of the Holy Qur'an should be well versed in fifteen subjects. These, as briefly given below, will show that it not possible for everybody to understand the underlying significance and real meanings of the Holy Quran (1) Lughat, i.e., philology of language, which helps in understanding the appropriate meanings of words. Mujahid says, "One who believes in Allah and the Day of Judgement should not open his lips in respect of the Qur'an unless he is thoroughly conversant with the philology of the Arabic language. Quite often an Arabic word has several- meanings. A person may be knowing only one or two of them, though in a given context the actual meaning may be quite different." (2) Nahv, i.e., syntax, a branch of grammar, which helps in understanding the relation of a sentence with another and also of 'Irab' (vowel sounds) of the letters of a word. A change in 'Irab' often means a change in the meaning. (3) Sarf, i.e., etymology, a branch of grammar, which helps in knowing the root words and conjugations. The meaning of a word changes with the change in the root and with a change in its conjugation. Ibn-e- Faris says, "One who loses the knowledge of etymology loses a great deal." 'Allamah Zamakhashri mentions that, when a certain person set to translate the 'ayat’ On the day that We shall call each and every people after their leader, he ignorantly rendered it thus: “On the day that We shall call each people after their mother." He supposed that the singular Arabic word 'Imam' (leader) was the plural of the Arabic word 'um' (mother). If he had been conversant with etymology, he would have known that the plural of 'um' is not 'imam' (4) Ishtiqaq, i.e.,derivatives. It is necessary to have the knowledge of derivatives and their root words, because if a word has been derived from two different root words, it will have two different meanings, e.g., the word 'masih' is derivable from 'masah' which means to touch or to move wet hands over, and also from 'masahat' which means measurement (5) Ilm-ul-Ma'ani, i.e., knowledge of semantics, because phrase constructions are understood from their meanings. (6) Ilm-ul-Bayan, i.e., knowledge of figures of speech, like similes and metaphors, due to which expressions or shades of meaning or similes and metaphor become known. (7) 'llm-ul-Badi', i.e., knowledge of rhetoric, the knowledge which reveals the beauty of -l (8) Ilm-ul-Qir'at, i.e., knowledge of the art of pronunciation, because different methods of recitation sometimes convey different meanings, and sometimes one meaning is to be preferred over the other. (9) 'Ilm-ul-'Aqaid, i.e., knowledge of the fundamentals of faith. This is necessary to explain certain analogies. The literal meaning of certain ayaat' referring to Almighty Allah is not the correct one. For example, the analogy in the ayat—(The hand of Allah is over their hands)will have to be explained because Allah has no physical hands. (10) Usul-e-Fiqah i.e., Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence. These are necessary for reasoning out and finding arguments in the basic support of statements. (11) Asbab-unaz-ul, i.e., the particular circumstances which caused the revelation (of ayat). The meaning of an 'ayat' will be better understood if we know how and when it had been revealed. Sometimes the true meaning of an 'ayat, is understood only if we know the circumstances in which the 'ayat' had been revealed. (12)Nasikh-mansukh, i.e., knowledge of commandments that have subsequently been abrogated or changed, so that abrogated commandments may be distinguished from the standing ones. (13) Ilm-ul-Fiqah, i.e., knowledge of Islamic Jurisprudence, because it is only through this knowledge that we arrive at a complete understanding of general principles. (14) Knowledge of such 'ahadith' that happen to be a commentary on certain brief verses of the Qur'an. (15) The last but most important is the 'ilm-e-Wahbi'or the gifted understanding, bestowed by Almighty Allah upon His selected ones, as referred to in the ‘hadith'— Whosoever acts upon what he knows, Almighty Allah bestows upon him the knowledge of things not known to him. It is this special understanding that was implied in the reply of Hadrat 'Ali (Karram Allaho wajhu) (may Allah be kind to him) when he was asked by the people if he had received from Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) any special knowledge or instructions which were not received by others. Hadrat Ali (Radhi Allaho anho) said, " I swear by Him Who made the Paradise and created life that I possess nothing special, except the clear understanding which Almighty Allah bestows upon a person in respect of the Qur'an. Ibne-Abi-Dunya says that the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an and that which can be derived out of it are as vast as a boundless ocean. The branches of knowledge described above are like tools, i.e. essential pre-requisites for a commentator. A commentary written by a person who is not thoroughly acquainted with these branches of knowledge will be based on his personal opinion, which is prohibited. The Sahabah (Companions of the Holy Prophet (sallallaho alaiahe wasallam) already had Arabic language as their mother-tongue, and they reached the depth of the rest of the knowledge by means of the illuminating contact that they had with Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam). 'Allamah Suyuti' says that those who think that it is beyond the capacity of a man to acquire! Ilm-e-Wahbi, or gifted understanding, are not right. To get this knowledge from Allah, one should adopt the means to this end, e.g., acting upon the knowledge that one has acquired, and disinclination towards the world. It is stated in 'Kimia-e-Sa'adat' that three persons are not blessed with complete understanding of the Qur'an. First, one who is not well versed in Arabic, secondly, one who persists in committing a major sin or indulges in act of religious innovation, because these actions blacken his heart, which in turn prevents him from understanding the Qur'an. Thirdly, one who is a rationalist, even in the matter of faith, and feels embarrassed when he reads an 'ayat' of the Qur'an which he is not able to fully rationalise. May Allah protect us from all such sins and evils. Home http://www.mtl.cronomagic.com/~dsalam/ http://www.mtl.cronomagic.com/~dsalam/index.html Email: dsalam@mtl.cronomagic.comAL-Sidq min Siddiq(The Truth from Siddiq)
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad Iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Hadaba Haddii Ilaahay Na Faray In Aan Ku Sallino Oo Aan Salaanno Suubanow Rasuulkiisa Maxamed Bin Cabdullahi Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Salim Sideen u salaanaa Nebiyada iyo Rususha Kale Ee Ilaahay. Maxaan U Dhahnaa Nebiyada Kale “Calayhim Al-Salaam”? Aynu Ka Bilowno Laba Nebi ee aan ka hadlaynay Ciise iyo Yaxye Calayhim Wa Calaa Nebiyunaa Al-Salaam. “Wa Salaamu Calayhi Yooma Wulida Wa Yooma Yamuutu Wa Yaama Yub-cathu Xayan”(19:15) Nebi Yaxye Korkiina Ahaato Nabad Maalinta Uu Dhashay, Maalinta Uu Dhiman Doono Iyo Maalinta Qiyaame Ee Isagoo Nool La Soo Saari Doono. “Wa Al-Salaamu Calaya Yooma Wulidtu Wa Yooma Amuutu Wa Yaama Ub-Cathu Xayan”(19:33) Nebi Ciise Korkayga Ha Ahaato Nabad Maalinta Aan Dhashay, Maalinta Aan Dhiman Doono Iyo Maalinta Anoo Nool La I Soo Saari Doono. Nebi Ibrahim “Salaamun Calaa Ibraahim” (37:109) Nabad Korkiisa Ha Ahaato. Nebi Muuse iyo Nebi Haaruun “Salaamun Calaa Muusaa Waa Haaruuna”(37:120) Nabad Korkooda Ha Ahaato. “Subxaana Rabika Rabil Cisati Cammaa Ya Sifuun. WA SALAAMUN CALAA AL-MURSALUUN. Wa Al-Xamdu Lillaahi Rabi Al-Caalamiin”(37-180-182) Rususha Ilaahay Oo Dhan “WA SALAAMUN CALAA AL-MURSALUUN” Nabad Korkooda Ha Ahaato. Hadaba jawaabta su'aasha doqonka ""Muslims do say; “salalaahu calayhi wasalam” ONLY on Prophet Muhammad while they say other Messenger to;“calayahi salam”" Waa Ilaahay Baa Na Baray Oo Na Faray Sidaan U Ixtiraamno Anbiyadiisa Dhammaantood Calayhim Al-Salaam iyo Sida Goonida Ah Ee Aan Suubanow Maxamed Bin Cabdullahi U Ixtiraamno "Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Calaa Aalihi Wa Salim. Haddii uu liqi waayo oo uu qaadan waayana waxaan ku dhahaynaa "Muutuu Fii Ghiidikum." Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Neefoowkaniini. Welcome to the party. Sidee tahay saaxiib?. Salligaaad ka dhawaajisey maanta.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Caleykum Ilaahey ha idinka abaal mariyo shaqada aad wadadaan. Ogaada inuu AhmedKufaar ka mid yahay dadka loo diyaarinayo inay wadankii ku laabtaan oo ay wax ka badalaan. Ninkaan anigaa ayaamihii ugu horeysay sheekadiisa la socon jiray, wuxuu iska dhigay nin Salafi ah ka dibna gaalnimo muujistay. Anigu caqiidadiisa waxaan ka shakiyay maalintii uu Sheik Usama wax ka sheegay isbuuc ka dibina saxaabada dacniyay. Markaas ayaan ka gaabsaday waxaana ii cadaatay in meel loo sito. Waa nin ay haysato finadii rasuulka uu ka digay marka ha la doodina laakiin waxaa muhiim ah in la radiyo markuu quzacbalaadkiisa la dhex yimaado umada islaamka ah. To: Ahmed Waxaan la yaabay saad isula qab weyn tahay iyo saad u tarabyartahay. Markaad leedahay somalinet ma aha diin. Well, somalinet represents somalis and this site is dedicated for them. If you claim to be Somali, there is a different classification ahead of you. When it comes to decision making, they go by the majority who benefit from it and the will of the large figure. It is my understanding that this site is designed [in gerenal] for Muslims and particularly for Somalis. So you can draw your conclusion by saying that the majority of Somalis are the believing people who follow the footsteps of the messenger of Allah, his companions and the Salafu-saalix. There is no doubt that you're excluded and we are not interested in viewing your weaked theories so keep them in your norrow mind. As one brother suggested we're tired of your coping and pastings. Bring some of your devils and remind them to come with their facts so that we can debate and find out the truth. I promise you that we don't recite Qur'aan when they are around so that we don't have to chase them.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, First of all, where in the world did you get that Luqman was a Prophet? Could you please point it out to me where in the Qur`an we get from such information??? Also, you’re denying that there were books between Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh)??? What kind of a Qur`an do you read, Umar? Where in the world was David? Isaiah? Samuel? John? Zacharias? All of these are Prophets whom God had given books. Please, NOTE, that *TORAH* is only 5 books of Moses in the Old Testament and there are other books like songs of solomon, books of samuel, books of isaiah, the psalms...and similar, the *GOSPEL* is not all of the New Testament...but it has books of John, etc. Prophet Isaiah was a major Israelite Prophet who prophecied both of the comings of Muhammad and Jesus. CLEARLY, in his chapter 42, in the Tanakh, Isaiah prophecies Muhammad and explains him by clear identity and place. This is why God, in the Qur`an, says; “Those to whom We have given the Book know this as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.”(6.20) God talks about the Qur`an which, by the way, is prophecized in the Book of Isaiah. God tells Israelites how a NEW SONG would come out of where Kedar inhabits, etc. Also, you said that *hold fast to the book* means to study etc. You seem to forget that God had given John WISDOM and made him a PROPHET. When God says to Moses the similar, does that make Moses(pbuh) to study somebody else’s book? READ: [And We ordained for him in the Tablets in all matters, admonition and explanation of all things, (and said): "Take and hold these with firmness, and enjoin thy people to hold fast by the best in the precepts: soon shall I show you the homes of the wicked,- (how they lie desolate)." 7.145] SIMILAR, God, speaking to Muhammad(pbuh) says; [ So hold thou fast to the Revelation sent down to thee; verily thou art on a Straight Way. 43.43] Whenever God says a *messenger* to that -- it means that that messenger is a Prophet and is a given a book. It is terribly wrong to make the show that *hold fast to book* does not mean he’s given a book...when clearly the Qur`an states so. I’m, sometimes, amazed by the lengths man goes to distort God and His teachings -- when they cannot be. You’re merely fighting over something that GOD declares in the Qur`an. Everything that God sends is a MESSENGER: [163. We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. 164. Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- 165. Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the messengers, should have no plea against Allah. For Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. CHAPTER FOUR!] Thus, EVERYONE after Noah is a Messenger -- well, according to your and Walaalkiin’s definition...NOT everyone of them can be a Messenger -- since *Haruun* was not a Messenger. But God says; “to Noah and the Messengers after him” and God goes ahead and names a few names and then names THE TRIBES!!! John came from the Tribes, didn’t he? heheeh! I am thinking of re-writing history! And many Messengers are not told us to -- nor are we given the names of the books given to some Prophets. This is because -- those are not the ones that are corrupted through history. REMEMBER, God only reveals that which is needed. People jump up and down over why God repeats certain kind of history in the Qur`an over and over. This is because these were subject to corrupt/null/change. The mere existance of the Qur`an is to correct mankind -- once and for all. This is why it is the ONLY preserved book...that is heavenly coded and taken care. No one can tamper with it -- even those who tried have failed...time and time again. You asked me to name the book of John -- well, in the NT it says “JOHN” -- however, it is NOT named in the Qur`an...but, similar, Abraham’s book is NOT named in the Qur`an -- we’re ONLY told that he is given *a book* when God says suratul Al-Aclaa “SUXIFA IBRAAHIIMA WA MUUSAA!” (“The scriptures of Abraham and Moses” 87.19)! Now, what was Abraham’s book again? heheh! ;) First it was that Aaron was not given a book -- I quoted the Qur`an for you...then it was John was not given a book(i quoted the Qur`an and gave you information) now what?...are you now convinced that everything God sent was a Messenger?...while not everyone God sent was not a Prophet? Maybe and maybe not -- but ask me if I care! ;) ACTUALLY, fyi, the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law are those whom God entrusted the Teachings of Moses with. However, as usual, man had among them corrupted ones. So, people shifted the focus from God to the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law -- they took them as gods beside God who could motify and formulate the Torah and the Law. They fabricated lies and assigned them to Moses and re-created and re-established in the land. Had you read the Qur`an with open heart, you would know that God would not ask any righteous to hold fast to something that was corrupted already. No Hebrew-Torah was written after Zacharias -- and John was there when the Hebrew Torah was already in corruption. What exactly was the aims of traveling and paptizing the whole region? Beats me! NUR, Brother, you said that you knew I was a submitter no matter how strong or mournfully I tried to deny it. My question is -- why? Why in the world would I try so hard to be someone who i’m not? One of the things that makes me sad about Muslims and, actually, the rest of the world -- is that they cannot stand someone who knows who he is and what he stands for. They try SO hard to make one the pawn that they have in mind. UNFORTUNATELY, there are things...no matter how the world jumps up and down they cannot change -- FACTS! I’m somali -- this will never change. I’m Muslim -- that will not change, as well. The world can rumble and cry blood -- i am and ALWAYS will be AHMAD -- the somali Muslim. So, yeah, go ahead and imagine and entertain yourself with whatever else pawn you’d like me to be. A budhist? pagan? X-tian? a Jew? hehehe...ah, God is Great! Also, you said that I was confused with myself. Nur, strifing for the TRUTH is not a confussion...but a wonderful thing to be -- I can only wish you for the same. My *messengerhood* -- I can promise you that i’m not a Messenger -- so don’t yah worry about me converting some of your kids, Bro! ;) TO ref-resh your mind about me, AGAIN -- I’m NOT a sunni...or with ANY other sect. I’m Muslim who lives by the Qur`an and what agrees with the Qur`an. Cursed are those who divide their religion into sects and preach hate and enmity among them. God, the Merciful, is He who is Blessed in warning man for what he does not know -- and Blessed are those who accept their God’s warnings and take them to heart. You think I copy and paste? I LEARN! When I debate with Submitters -- to them, it seems that i’m A SUNNI(no matter how many times I HAVE TOLD them that i’m NOT a sunni...but have sunni teachings within me for I believe they’re right about things!) However, ignorants -- of all kinds -- do not worth the energy. You said that I cannot argue -- why?...we could ask that the hearts of those, uhm, never mind... ;) ANYWAY, you never answered what the *BOOK AND WISDOM* meant when reffering to Jesus -- but then again, ah....;) And, NO, Nur, my world is BRIGHT and BIG...for I love God and appreciate the gifts that he’s given me and those who believe and those who do well for themselves. Certainly, our world seems a little entangled at times -- but Blessed is He who lights the hearts of those who believe. And, yes, for this life and the one after -- Believers are those who live, widely...and in happiness. ta-ta! ;) NEEeefffffoooowww kaaaannnniiinnni, ABSHIR! SO glad someone could remember that...through all this; Bless you! Blessed are those who CAN stop and say; ALLAHUMA SALLI WA SALIM CALAA SAYIDINAA MUXAMMAD WA CALAA AALIHI WA ASXAABIHII WA SALIM!!! Muslim, FIRST of all, majority always sucks --- read the QUR`AN, for a change! Have you seen it...ANYWHERE where the majority were EVER right?(hhhmm...thinking of taking THABIT to court!) SECOND, the majority of somalis, no matter what time or where, always seem to be where....???? let yah fill it yur self. THIRD, *the devils* always seem to erect man to do things, don't they? Ah, call upon them...if you wish any debate with them -- just make NO MISTAKE...that I...exist and that i'm blessed with; "Acuudu biLahi mina shaydaani rajiim!" ;) Walaalkiin, I see the oldie tricky again; what does the word "salli" mean...could you explain that to me, PLEASE???? And, yes, I have MUCH to say about it -- however, lets hear you definition of it, first! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato Dad Hodo iyo Ayaan u helay afka carabiga isla markaasna soo gaaray Suubanoow Addoonka Ilaahay Al-Umiyi Maxamed Bin Cabdullahi Sallalaahu Calayhi Wa Calaa Aalihi Wa Saxbihi Wa Man Tabaca Hadyihi Ilaa Yoomi Al-Diini Wa Salim Tasliiman Kathiira ayaa weydiiyay Macalinkii Bashariyadda macnaha dheer ee "salli." Wuxuu Baray Suubanow Rasuulkeenu (SCW) Saxaabadiisa iyo Dhammaan Mu'miniinta siday ugu salliyi lahaayeen oo wuxuu yiri dhaha: Allahuma Salli Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Salayta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahima Fil Caalamiina Innaka Xamiidun Al-Majiid. Allahuma Baarik Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Baarakta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahima Fil Caalamiina Innaka Xamiidun Al-Majiid. Adiguse hoogoow waxaad soo min guurin doontaa waxa ay kuu akhriyeen shaydaamadaadu oo waxaad dhihi beentaada anaa gartay oo soo qoray balse intaadan mar kale sakiin liqin waa tan waxaad ku hadli doonta ee halka ka akhriso. "I see the oldie tricky again; what does the word "salli" mean...could you explain that to me, PLEASE???? And, yes, I have MUCH to say about it -- however, lets hear you definition of it, first!" Haayoow halkan bal ka fiiri jawaabtaada http://www.submission.org/glorify.html Allahuma Salli Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Salayta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahima Fil Caalamiina Innaka Xamiidun Al-Majiid. Allahuma Baarik Calaa Muxamed Wa Calaa Aali Muxamed Kamaa Baarakta Calaa Ibraahima Wa Calaa Aali Ibraahima Fil Caalamiina Innaka Xamiidun Al-Majiid. Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "First of all, where in the world did you get that Luqman was a Prophet? Could you please point it out to me where in the Qur`an we get from such information??? " Some scholars say Luqman was a prophet and others say he was not, but Allah knows best----and how many prophets who came to this world and their exact number. Allah did not say Luqman was not a prophet or a prophet in the Quran, but Allah said He gave Luqman XIKMA(WISDOM) and we know A WISDOM is not like a scripture(a BOOK). Many prophet's were also given this XIMKA. The difference between Ahmed or Submitters and the Muslims is that-----Muslims believe that all prophet were not GIVEN a BOOK of their own----some prophets followed the previous BOOKS before them which was GIVEN other Prophets. Now, what is the WISDOM that Allah said He has GIVEN to Luqman as Allah has GIVEN to other prophets? It is the WISDOM of true DOCTRINE of DIVINE WAHYI coupled with righteous acts. By the XIKMA GIVEN Allah to Luqman is mean the evidence of the INTELLECT in accordance with the STATUES of the DIVINE LAW of ALLAH. "And assuredly We GAVE WISDOM to Luqman saying: give thank to Allah, and whoever given thanks, given thanks for his soul; and whoever is unthankful--then verily Allah is self-sufficient, Praiseworthy. And re-call when Luqman said to his son, while he was exhorting him: O my son! associate not aught with Allah; verily this associating is a tremendous wrong" --Suratul Luqman 12-3. Ahmed said to me "you’re denying that there were books between Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh)??? " No, I didn't. I said--up there--that there was a BOOK called Sabuur which was Given to Messenger/Prophet Daud. Ahmed said "Where in the world was David? Isaiah? Samuel? John? Zacharias? All of these are Prophets whom God had given books." Well, Ahmed does not know or he did not tell us which Books where GIVEN to Yaxya and Sakariya, but we know that these prophet's followed and were told to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE. Ahmed said "Please, NOTE, that *TORAH* is only 5 books of Moses in the Old Testament and there are other books like songs of solomon, books of samuel, books of isaiah, the psalms...and similar, the *GOSPEL* is not all of the New Testament...but it has books of John, etc." Ahmed has the "History" of the BIBLE for evidence and we have what Allah said in the Quran to Yaxya---HOLD FAST THE BOOK. :-) Ahmed said "Prophet Isaiah was a major Israelite Prophet who prophecied both of the comings of Muhammad and Jesus. CLEARLY, in his chapter 42, in the Tanakh, Isaiah prophecies Muhammad and explains him by clear identity and place. This is why God, in the Qur`an, says; “Those to whom We have given the Book know this as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.”(6.20) God talks about the Qur`an which, by the way, is prophecized in the Book of Isaiah. God tells Israelites how a NEW SONG would come out of where Kedar inhabits, etc." Well, the verse reads this way: "Those to whom We have GIVEN the BOOK-(the reference is to the Jews AND the BOOKS is the BOOK of MUUSE) recognize him(Muhammad) as they recognize their own children; yet those who have lost their souls will not believe(The Jews). As you can see, the Jews during the prophet's time had the TORAH, the BOOK of MUUSE, and Allah said they were GIVEN the BOOK. Ahmed cited these verses: 7.145 and 43.43 and 163-164. But Allah said also in verse 6:20 that He has GIVEN THE *BOOK* to the JEWS---of the prophet's time---does that mean then---that---these Jews were GIVEN a BOOK of their OWN------like YAXYA!? :-) Ahmed said "Thus, EVERYONE after Noah is a Messenger -- well, according to your and Walaalkiin’s definition...NOT everyone of them can be a Messenger -- since *Haruun* was not a Messenger." We believe----unlike Ahmed with the Submitters---that every Messenger was GIVEN a BOOK, but every Prophet was GIVEN a BOOK of his own. :-) Ahmed said "You asked me to name the book of John -- well, in the NT it says “JOHN” --however, it is NOT named in the Qur`an...but, similar, Abraham’s book is NOT named in the Qur`an -- we’re ONLY told that he is given *a book* when God says suratul Al-Aclaa “SUXIFA IBRAAHIIMA WA MUUSAA!” (“The scriptures of Abraham and Moses” 87.19)! Now, what was Abraham’s book again? heheh! ;) " Well, we know Allah said in his QURAN----without relaying on the BIBLE----that Allah has told Yaxya to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE---not any of Yaxya's OWN BOOK. :-) Ahmed said "First it was that Aaron was not given a book -- I quoted the Qur`an for you...then it was John was not given a book(i quoted the Qur`an and gave you information) now what?..." Did Prophet Haaruun and Prophet/Messenger Muuse have TWO BOOKS?----I mean were they GIVEN TWO separate BOOKS----was there ONE BOOK for Muuse and ONE BOOK for Haruun----OR---did Prophet Haruun----who was the Wasiir of Muuse----follow the BOOK of MUUSE? :-) Ahmed said to me "are you now convinced that everything God sent was a Messenger?...while not everyone God sent was not a Prophet? Maybe and maybe not -- but ask me if I care! ;)" I believe that every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN and I believe there is no messenger who is to come after Muhammad; Muhammad was both the last prophet and the last Messenger from Allah and do not care what Ahmed and his Submitters believe-----there is no such messenger call Rashad Khalifa-----if there was one in the minds of Ahmed and submitters, they have been had. :-) "Muhammad is not the father of any of your males, but a MESSENGER of Allah and the seal of the PROPHETS and Allah is the Knower of everything" Suratul Axsaab. 40
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar. Brother, I would like to correct this sentence of yours If I am not also mistaken "We believe----unlike Ahmed with the Submitters---that every Messenger was GIVEN a BOOK, but every Prophet was GIVEN a BOOK of his own. :-) Did you mean "We believe----unlike Ahmed with the Submitters---that every Messenger was GIVEN a BOOK, but every Prophet was NOT GIVEN a BOOK of his own. :-)?. It is in the last posting almost at the end or in the middle. I did this so that Mr SUBMITTER won't have a chance to twist the little mistakes.(If it is).
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| | Unrecorded Date Thanks, my brother for the correction. My last paragraph of what i wrote makes the correction too. "I believe that every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN and I believe there is no messenger who is to come after Muhammad"
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Luqman was a righteous man -- any righteous person is given a wisdom. JUST knowing that *there is no god but God* is wisdom. All believers are given wisdom -- anyone who reads the Qur`an with attentive mind and good heart recieves wisdom. Going through the land and seeing what was the end of the unjust itself is wisdom -- of course, it is for those who MIND. COUPLE things about *WISDOM*; God gives it to whom He wishes; "He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding." 2.269 Those who reject good faith DO NOT get it; "The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom." 2.171 There are Believers who are given wisdom; "O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire for you to suffer: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom." 3.18 Learning the Qur`an -- one learns wisdom, as well; "We have sent it down as an Arabic Qurán, in order that ye may learn wisdom." 12.2 Surely, those who are given much of a wisdom are those who are the Messengers. However, reading the Qur`an, Luqman sounds a righteous man who just is giving good advice his children -- like any other righteos man would. Umar Ibn Khitab, Abu Bakar, Ali Ibn Abu-Talib, and Othman...were men whom God had given wisdom -- who warned their pears and future co-religionists. They were righteous men...but not Prophets or Messengers, Umar. Imams to the Islamic World who did everything by the Book of Allah. If God had talked about them in the Qur`an, should we think of them like *prophets*? no! Scholars say that he's a Prophet? Well, Umar, many scholars said many things that I had found to be so non-Qur`anic and Islamic. But, ah... You said; [Ahmed said to me "you’re denying that there were books between Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh)??? " No, I didn't. I said--up there--that there was a BOOK called Sabuur which was Given to Messenger/Prophet Daud.] Where, Brother? I must've missed it! You said; [Ahmed said "Where in the world was David? Isaiah? Samuel? John? Zacharias? All of these are Prophets whom God had given books." Well, Ahmed does not know or he did not tell us which Books where GIVEN to Yaxya and Sakariya, but we know that these prophet's followed and were told to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE.] I have a question for you -- what is the *TORAH*??? You think the Book of Moses is the Torah? The word *TORAH* is never used for Moses...if it was used for Moses, please help me see it(cause I must've missed it)! The Taurat stands for all the Books revealed to Children of Isael from Moses to Zacharias. Look the following verse; "It was We who revealed the Torah: therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers." 5.44 Therefore...all the Israelites Prophets could not have followed the Book of Moses -- but God sent the Books to them...and that is what the *OLD TESTAMENT* stands for. To the Jews, the Torah is just the five books of Moses -- while to Muslims, all the books of the Prophets stand for the Torah. ACTUALLY, even to Jews -- there is two meanings; one, it stands for the books of moses. two, it stands for all the law given to children of israel. We, MUSLIMS, agree with the second one. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is given A WHOLE Book himself -- actually, he was given the MOTHER of the Book. Now, did you tell me what book was given to Abraham, Brother Umar? We know he was given a book -- but we don't know what name of a book, you see? so, why are you asking me what book is given to John and Zacharias? in the books(Gospel and Torah) they're Books of Zacharias and Books of John -- and that is because them, too, the children of Israel are not given the names of the books, you see? ;) You said; [Ahmed has the "History" of the BIBLE for evidence and we have what Allah said in the Quran to Yaxya---HOLD FAST THE BOOK. :-)] *history*??? but, I CITED for you verses...hehehe! Why bother history?...when I GAVE YOU *HOLD FAST TO THE BOOK* said to other Prophets whom God had given Books of themselves. :) About the Book of Isaiah -- but the Book of Isaiah is NOT the Books of Moses, Umar! Moses only says; "a prophet like me will the Lord bring among them" but it is Isaiah who explains Muhammad like A, B, and C! ;) You said; [Ahmed cited these verses: 7.145 and 43.43 and 163-164. But Allah said also in verse 6:20 that He has GIVEN THE *BOOK* to the JEWS---of the prophet's time---does that mean then---that---these Jews were GIVEN a BOOK of their OWN------like YAXYA!? :-)] WELL, lets quote the verses, shall we? [19. Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qurán hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the One God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him." 20. Those to whom We have given the Book know this as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.] Chapter Six! Brother, *we have given* is NOT a present tense -- but a past one. This is telling that God had given them a Book which taught them this PROPHET/QUR`AN and that they know him/it know as they know their own sons. Maybe you didn't get it, `eh? `Ts okay! ;) You said; [Ahmed said "Thus, EVERYONE after Noah is a Messenger -- well, according to your and Walaalkiin’s definition...NOT everyone of them can be a Messenger -- since *Haruun* was not a Messenger." We believe----unlike Ahmed with the Submitters---that every Messenger was GIVEN a BOOK, but every Prophet was *not* GIVEN a BOOK of his own. :-)] I made the correction of putting *NOT* there since I think that is what you meant. Now, if God says; "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms." God is saying "and the messingers after him" making that all the messengers after him are messengers. So, if *AARON* is added to the *messengers after him* then AARON is a Messenger, correct?(UNLIKE what Walaalkiin was saying, correct?) Also, if everyone after Noah was a Messenger, then that means NOT all of them were given Books, correct? So, how can every messenger be given a book...but not every prophet? I'm lost, Umar!!! Because, we KNOW, for sure that not every messenger was given a Book. You said; [Ahmed said "First it was that Aaron was not given a book -- I quoted the Qur`an for you...then it was John was not given a book(i quoted the Qur`an and gave you information) now what?..." Did Prophet Haaruun and Prophet/Messenger Muuse have TWO BOOKS?----I mean were they GIVEN TWO separate BOOKS----was there ONE BOOK for Muuse and ONE BOOK for Haruun----OR---did Prophet Haruun----who was the Wasiir of Muuse----follow the BOOK of MUUSE?] Well, Aaron and Moses were given the same Book -- together. This is why I keep telling you that PROPHETS are given Books. They were given the same book because it was the same time that they brough the message. This also another thing to keep in MIND -- that EVERYTHING that is religious, near God, is just ONE. "In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the Criterion, and a Light and a Message for those who would do right,-" 21.48 The *Furqaan* is the Book of God -- which refers to the Books of God. If the *Furqaan* is given to BOTH Aaron and Moses -- then both of them are given the Book. You said; [I believe that every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN and I believe there is no messenger who is to come after Muhammad; Muhammad was both the last prophet and the last Messenger from Allah and do not care what Ahmed and his Submitters believe-----there is no such messenger call Rashad Khalifa-----if there was one in the minds of Ahmed and submitters, they have been had. :-)] You didn't answer my question, but what the heck, `eh? Actually, similarly, I do not believe there was any Messenger after Muhammad, as well. However, I do believe there will come Messengers after Muhammad(INCLUDING Jesus...) You quoted; <"Muhammad is not the father of any of your males, but a MESSENGER of Allah and the seal of the PROPHETS and Allah is the Knower of everything" Suratul Axsaab. 40> Precisely! That verse is the TRUE belief I have regarding this. Muhammad was not the father of any of their man...because he adopted zaid and was not his biological father. BUT, Muhammad was the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets! Walaalkiin, Brother, the verse in the Qur`an that tells us to send *SALLI* on the prophet says; "Allah and His angels send SALLI on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye SALLI on him, and salute him with all respect." 33.56 <inallaha wa malaa`ikitihi yusalluuna cala nebiyi, yaa ayuhal ladiina aamanuu salluu cala nebiyi wa sallimuu tasliimaa> SIMILAR, God says, in the same chapter; "He it is Who sends SALLI on you(O ye that believe), as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers." 33.43 <Huwa alladi yusallii calaykum wa malaa`ikatuhu...> So, God and His Angels, sent SALLI on the Prophet as they send on the Believers, correct? ;) Brother, please, I didn't ask you HOW we should do it -- I asked you WHAT it means??? ...and, yes, thank you very much for the url; believe it or not...I was looking for it...and didn't get it, but thanks a million! ;) Peace and love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said to me "you’re denying that there were books between Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh)??? " Then, I wrote "No, I didn't. I said--up there--that there was a BOOK called Sabuur which was Given to Messenger/Prophet Daud." Then, Ahmed asked "Where, Brother? I must've missed it!" Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - 08:58 pm "There were three major BOOKS that were GIVEN to FOUR messengers/prophets: SABUUR/TOWRAH/INJIIL/QURAN. Other messengers and prophets received what is called SUXUF and some prophets followed other prophet's BOOKS----so every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN. That is the correct understanding as far as I know. :-)" Ahmed said this while citing the verse 5:44 "I have a question for you -- what is the *TORAH*??? You think the Book of Moses is the Torah? The word *TORAH* is never used for Moses...if it was used for Moses, please help me see it(cause I must've missed it)! The Taurat stands for all the Books revealed to Children of Israel from Moses to Zacharias. Look the following verse;" The TORAH was GIVEN to MUUSE and there were other Scripture like SUBUUR. The verse says "It is We have sent know the TORAH in which was a guidance(of right belief) and a light(for right conduct). By it(in accordance with its standard) the PROPHETS who submitted themselves(to Allah) judged those who were Judaised, and so did the divines and the rabbis: they judged by what was committed to their keeping(through the prophets) of the Book of Allah and to which they were witness. So fear not mankind(in acting up the precepts of the TORAH, which includes belief in the mission of the FINAL PROPHET), but fear Me(the address is to the Jewish rabbis and priests), and sell not My revelations for a paltry price. And he who does not judge by what Allah has sent down,--it is they who are the infidels(these rabbis and priests)" In another times, Allah is telling these people(the Jewish) believed(the TORAH). "And believe in what I have sent down(now, i.e., the Holy Quran) confirming what is with you(already, i. e., the TORAH), and be not the first to disbelieve therein. And barter not My sings for a small price, and fear Me alone" Suratul Baqra 41---"He has revealed the Book(Quran) to you with the truth(O Prophet) confirming what went before it(of Allah's revelations), and He sent down the TORAH and Injil" Suratul Cimraan 3. Now, Ahmed is trying to tell us the revealed BOOKS before the Quran, the TORAH and INJIIL are identical with what the BIBLE contains. So Ahmed with the Submitters are relaying on the BIBLE(OT and NT) with its many BOOKS with its MANY names.! :-) Ahmed with the Submitters do not know that priests and the rabbis divided the BOOK of MUUSE and the BOOK of CIISE-- Tawrat and Injiil, yet Ahmed with the Submitters relay on these BOOKS as sources. Allah said in his Quran: "O people of the Book!(the Jews and Christians) why do you content regarding Ibrahim(for thinking he belonged to their faith) whereas the TORAH and Injiil were not sent down save after him(after Ibrahim--Judaism and Christianity were instituted only after the revelation of the TORAH and the INJIIL to MUUSE and CIISE) Will you not then understand?. Ah! it is you who fell to contending that of which you had some knowledge(respecting matters mentioned in the TORAH and the INJIIL); why then should you contend regarding that of which you have no knowledge at all? And Allah knows and you do not know" Suratul Cimraan 65-6 "All food was allowable t the Children of Israel save what Israel(Prophet Yacquub) had forbidden for himself(such as milk and flesh of the camel, for some special, medical reason), before the TORAH was revealed(forbidding certain foods to the Jews). Say thou(O prophet to the Jews), bring you the TORAH and read it, if you are truthful" Suratul Cimraan 93. Now, Ahmed with the Submitters is telling us that the TORAH the Jews had during of the prophet's time were DIFFERENT BOOKS OF MANY TORAH AND NOT WHAT MUUSE WAS GIVEN!!! :-) Ahmed said "Brother, *we have given* is NOT a present tense -- but a past one. This is telling that God had given them a Book which taught them this PROPHET/QUR`AN and that they know him/it know as they know their own sons. Maybe you didn't get it, `eh? `Ts okay! ;) " Yes, when Allah has told Yaxya to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE---it does not mean Yaxya was given a BOOK of his OWN, just as when Allah said the Jews were GIVEN a BOOK. :-) Ahmed said "Well, Aaron and Moses were given the same Book -- together. This is why I keep telling you that PROPHETS are given Books. They were given the same book because it was the same time that they brough the message." Ahmed with the Submitters do not know that the Book was primarily AND principally GIVEN to MUUSE---as Haruun being his WASIIR(lieutenant). Many places in the Quran, Allah mentioned only the name MUUSE being GIVEN the BOOK(the torah). "And indeed We GAVE Muuse, after We had destroyed the generations of old, the SCRIPTURE(the BOOK--the TORAH), enlightenment to mankind and a guidance and a mercy, that haply they be admonished" In the Quran, Allah said about Muuse and Haruun this: "And mention thou(O Muhammad) in the Book(in the Quran) Muuse; he was single-hearted, and was a messenger(and)prophet. And We cried unto him from the right side of the mount, and We drew him night for whispering(for having a private discourse with Us). We GAVE him, out of Our Mercy, his brother Haruun, a prophet" Suratul-Maryam. 51-3. Muuse said "appoint for me a Minster from my household--Haruun, my brother" Suratul Taha. 29-8.-------"And assuredly We GAVE the BOOK to MUUSE and We place his brother Haruun with him as a Minster" Suratul Furqan. 35.----"Muuse said: Lord! I fear he will belie me(Fircoon) and my breast straitens(on such occasion) and my tongue moves no quickly: so send for Haruun(to come along with me and to be my assistant)" Suratul Shura 13-----"And assuredly Haruun had said to them beforehand: O my people! you are only being tempted with it, and verily you Lord is the Compassionate, so follow me and obey my command. They said: we shall by no means cease to be assiduous to it unit Muuse comes back to us. Muuse said: O Haruun! what prevented you when you saw them going astray; that you followed me not? Have you then disobeyed my command? Haruun said: my brother! hold me not by my beard nor by my head; really I feared lest you should say: You have caused a division among the Children of Israel and have not kept my word." Suratul Taha 90-4.---"And assuredly We sent Muuse with Our signs: and a clear authority" Suratul Mumin 24.--"And prior to it there has been the BOOK of Muuse----a guidance and a mercy. And this is a Book confirming it in Arabic speech, that it may warn those who have done wrong and as glad tidings to the well-doers" Suratul Axqaf. 12.---"And assuredly We GAVE the BOOK to Muuse and there arose difference concerning it....." Suratul Xamin Sajda 45.----"And recall when We GAVE to Muuse the BOOK and the distinction(the criterion) that haply you may be rightly guided" Suratul Baqra 53----"And to Muuse We GAVE the BOOK, perfect for him who would do good and detailing everything and a guidance and a blessing, that perhaps in the meeting of their Lord they would believe"--Suratul Ancaam 154.----"And assuredly We GAVE BOOK to Muuse, and disputation arose thereabout........."Suratul Hud 110.-----and on and....where Allah mentioning the name Muuse ONLY in the Quran many times....... Ahmed said "I do not believe there was any Messenger after Muhammad, as well." Well, Rashad Khalifa was a LIAR, then, right? Ahmed said "However, I do believe there will come Messengers after Muhammad(INCLUDING Jesus...)" We Muslims, unlike Ahmed with the Submitters, believe that CIISE was both a prophet and a messenger and since every messenger is a prophet and since Muhammad was the seal of all prophets, any messenger who is to come would have to be a LAIR. So, this rules out the claim which Ahmed is flip flopping and the claim which the people Ahmed copies his writing from believe---that Rashad Khalifa to be the messenger of the covenent. :-) Therefore, not INCLUDING Ciise, no messenger will come after Muxammad. However, Ahmed can say one time that he is not sure if Rashad Khalifa is a messenger of Allah or not and in another time Ahmed can say he does not believe there was any Messenger after Muhammad, but unlike Ahmed, we consider that Rashad Khalifa, without a doubt, to have been a KADAAB. :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed, marka hore waa khaa'in, beenloow ah. Qaraxyeye muxuu weli isla qarinayaa? miyuusan ogeyn inuu yahay Submitter xun oo dulli ah oo diinta ka baxay? Inuu submitter yahay meesha fiiri wuxuu isku qasayo: " I do not believe there was any Messenger after Muhammad, as well. However, I do believe there will come Messengers after Muhammad(INCLUDING Jesus...)" Laakiin ayuu galiyey oo waxbuu qarinayaa halkan si cadna uma uusan qeexin. Yaa weeye nabiyada imaanayo? sheydaan Richard Kh. wuxuu ahaa kii kowaad, haye..kan ku xiga waa kuma? Miyuusan axadkani "Axmed" aminsaneyn inuu Muxammed (scw) ahaa Khatimul ambiyaa'i? mar waa aminsanahay ayuu yiraa, marna shaki ayuu is geliyaa oo Richard ayuu rajo ka qabaa. Wuxuu kaloo yiri: "My latest project as sect...is submitters -- i’m curious where it ends with me...and when! I’m not rejecting anything that is Truth -- and God promises to help the sincere; so, bandar baan jiiffaaa! :) - I tell you, It will end you up in JAHANAMA, if you keep fellowing and being in this satanic sect. Dad (waa submittersku) aaminsan islaamnimada maanta jirta islaamnimo saxa ahayn, sidee buu hadduu caqli qabo RUN uga raadshaa? Inuu ka mid yahay shaydaamadaas, waa asagoo ku tilmaamay dad muslimiin ah. Been badanaa axadku. Kufaar ayuu welli ka dhigtay, miyuusan asagu ahayn kufaar kale?. aqri naacdan uu qoray: "I’m not labeling submitters as *KUFFARS* at the moment? Maybe because I have no reason....???? UNTILL I prove that Rashad was not a Messenger...they’re STILL very much Muslims to me -- like it or not." - Wuxuu rajo ka qabaa ama aaminsan yahay in Sheydaan Richard rasuul yahay. They are NOT muslims. capito? Ahmed, do you striking or what? why not come with your new delivery from your pro-yahoods? Ceeboow, ceebaa ku haysata. Fikradahaada & maskaxdaada la imoow meesha.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Thanks for pointing out to me where you said the Zabbur existed. I still have confussion in all this -- you said; ["There were three major BOOKS that were GIVEN to FOUR messengers/prophets: SABUUR/TOWRAH/INJIIL/QURAN. Other messengers and prophets received what is called SUXUF and some prophets followed other prophet's BOOKS----so every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN. That is the correct understanding as far as I know. :-)"] Huh??? what is *suxuf*??? and please, POINT it out to me ANY Messenger -- who was not a prophet...that was given *suxuf*??? Also, your comment that *three major books given to four messengers-prophets* makes me confussed. Do you mind explaining what you mean? How can *three* be given to *four*? Did you mean that there were three major books but we know there are four given to four messenger-prophets? You said; [Ahmed said "Brother, *we have given* is NOT a present tense -- but a past one. This is telling that God had given them a Book which taught them this PROPHET/QUR`AN and that they know him/it know as they know their own sons. Maybe you didn't get it, `eh? `Ts okay! ;) " Yes, when Allah has told Yaxya to HOLD FAST the BOOK of MUUSE---it does not mean Yaxya was given a BOOK of his OWN, just as when Allah said the Jews were GIVEN a BOOK. :-)] When discussing something -- it's better if the parties acknowledge the discussions. I already cited for you other prophets being said to similar -- did that make them not have books????? I mean, THANK GOD, God told us that Moses was given a book outright elsewhere(for Israelites are still alive and well) -- had not God said so, would you think Moses followed another prophet's book??? ALSO, Jews WERE given a Book -- Moses and David and Jesus(those whom you acknowledge to have been given a Book) were Israelites. Similar, Muslims are given a Book! So, what is your point? You said; [Now, Ahmed with the Submitters is telling us that the TORAH the Jews had during of the prophet's time were DIFFERENT BOOKS OF MANY TORAH AND NOT WHAT MUUSE WAS GIVEN!!! :-)] I asked you before, and I will ask it again, WHERE do you see in the Qur`an that Moses was given the Torah??? *many torah*??? huh? Jews of Muhammad's time and the Jews of Jesus' time HAD many books as the Torah -- whom which different Prophets had written. And, what Moses was given...included that Torah, as it does now. Similar, what was given to David is included in that Torah. Don't you ever wonder why God says "TORAH" whenever speaking to Israelites and does not mention by name other books??? Zabbur was also a BOOK of David(the Psalms) however, God does not mention it by name when speaking of the Israelites. Was not David an Israelite? Also, Umar, it's very much true that I DO NOT believe there was ANY Messenger after Muhammad! That does not mean -- that I believe there won't be any. As far as Rashad Khalifa is concerned, YES -- I do NOT believe he was a Messenger. I did NOT rule him out to not be a Messenger, yet. I'm learning more about him -- that doesn't mean I believe in him or take him as the wonderful messenger of Allah. Similar, in the past, I learned more about other men who claimed to be Messengers -- and with the Qur`an, I had the pleasure of believing they were LIARS! I do not doubt in my beliefs, Umar -- I STRIFE for the Truth. There is a duty upon every Muslim -- to strife for the Truth...untill error goes dark from the Truth. Blessed are those who are Believers -- who do not walk on earth as proud...but humbles who do not give a damn what man thinks...and faces themselves to God and submitts to Him and His rules! You can trust me when I tell you -- that you will hear from me...when I rule him IN or OUT. Until then, lets consider Rashad as no-messenger, shall we? I will NOT insult him or do any harm to his personality or reputation...UNTIL I rule him out. Nor will I defend him or bless him...UNTIL I rule him in. So, don't yah worry. You said; [Therefore, not INCLUDING Ciise, no messenger will come after Muxammad.] When Jesus(pbuh) comes back -- He will NOT come back as a Prophet who will bring a New BookIlike he was before)...but as a messenger who will bring people BACK to Muhammad's teachings(and he was a messenger before, as well -- who spoke at the age of *0* heheh!) He will follow Muhammad's rules of this time...and will do everything as was given to Muhammad. All the food that was made lawful/unlawful after him -- will be lawful/unlawful to him, as well. If one believes that Jesus will come back as Prophet -- they will have to face that phrase of "KHAATIMAL NABIYIIN". DO NOT make the mistake of saying *not including Jesus* for God did NOT say "...and the seal of the Prophets, not including Jesus" for Prophets bring New Revelations. Jesus' days of being a Prophet in this world is OVER. His Book is not in the #1 of source for mankind now. When and if he returns, he will return with a message(kill of the anti-christ, bring muslims back to the TRUE path, etc etc etc)! The Laws of his book is not aplicable anymore...He will have to follow Muhammad's Book and Law; the Qur`an. Also, you just made more of my point when you recited the verses where Moses asks GOD to send with him Aaron. You see, Aaron was NOT a Messenger before...like Moses was. God had chosen the Messengership for Moses -- and Aaron become a Prophet...because of the share of the Book and responsibility. And when one is made a Prophet -- one is automatically a Messenger, as well. You said; [Many places in the Quran, Allah mentioned only the name MUUSE being GIVEN the BOOK(the torah).] OH, really??? SIMILAR, God talks about Abraham many many many times -- and ONLY one time it is mentioned to us that he was given a scripture -- what do yah say about that??? IF, God makes just ONE claim, anywhere in the Qur`an, that claims stands STILL. God clearly mentions in the Qur`an that, in the past, BOTH Aaron and Moses were given the Book. IF, God repeated million times, that the Book was given to Aaron, it'd STILL stand that Moses was also given it to him. I dare you to quote ONE place where the Qur`an says...that the Book was given ONLY to Moses, if you're correct. You say; "Ahmed with the Submitters do not know that the Book was primarily AND principally GIVEN to MUUSE---as Haruun being his WASIIR(lieutenant)." REALLY??? Where does God ever says that the Book was "primarily and principally" given to Moses? Attributing things to God is a grave Mistake, Brother! AND, what does the word *Waziir* with the word *ZA* mean? NOT *wasiir* with *SIIN*, of course. Whatever happened to Luqman, Umar? You didn't tell me what was the deal! :( ALSO, you did not tell me the name of scripture of Abraham! I hope you do realize that both are extremely important to our discussion -- that is...if this discussion is going on to help. If it's just a defense -- I have seen much of it(from all wicked religions) and i'm not interested. I tell them things -- without a debate(and only debate with those who are interested in the Truth...and not just don't want to defend what their fore-fathers of yore said to be the Truth!) So, Umar, lets hear it -- are you only in for the defending of what you think is Truth that yu recieved from the generations of yore(EVEN if it maybe Truth) or are you one who wants to strife for the Truth -- and takes it if it is the Truth and does not take it if it is Falsehood? I know people who day-in and day-out try to defend what was told to them to be the Truth. Well, i'm not one of those...and i'm not interested in losing time with people like those. I'm only 21...and BLESSED BE GOD...I have been through so many *sects* -- from suffi to normal sunni, to wahabia to aqwanul muslimiin -- that was not because I wanted the ride of it...but one after another -- it was much better and more Islam than the one before...and it was on my neck to take what was right. I live to always do the same -- for God is the Guider of Man to His True Path! And, whole-heartedly, I believe God guides the sincere! Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "Huh??? what is *suxuf*??? and please, POINT it out to me ANY Messenger -- who was not a prophet...that was given *suxuf*??? I said "some prophets followed other prophet's BOOKS----so every prophet was not GIVEN a BOOK of his OWN" And *suxuf* is like a book---like the book given to Ibraahim. Ahmed said "your comment that *three major books given to four messengers-prophets* makes me confussed" Well, it was a typo. make it *four major books* which I pointed out---SABUUR/TOWRAH/INJIIL/QURAN" :-) Ahmed said "would you think Moses followed another prophet's book???" Muuse did NOT followed; he is the one who was being followed by haruun "...Muuse said: O Haruun! what prevented you when you saw them going astray; that you followed me not?..." Suratul Tah 9:4 Ahmed said "I hope you do realize that both are extremely important to our discussion -- that is...if this discussion is going on to help. If it's just a defense -- I have seen much of it(from all wicked religions) and i'm not interested." Well, the discussion Ahmed is having can be also called "just a defense" and what is important about this is that we know where the things he defends come from---as we already found out--where Ahmed copies from his sources---people like that are really the ones who deserve more the title of "wicked" people. So, this issue is about-----*prophets* , *messengers* and *books*------and what it all boils down to is-----the difference of beliefs. Ahmed/Submitters have their beliefs about these matters and we have our beliefs. Ahmed can still say he did NOT rule out of Rashad Khalifa claim---being the so called the Messenger of Allah(yet), but we already ruled him out of our minds and we declared Rashad Khalifa to be a KADAAB and a "wicked" imposter. :-) Unlike the Submitters and whoever copies Rashad Khalifa's wicked beliefs, we Muslims do not JUST believe the QURAN ONLY-----we believe the QURAN and the SUNNAH-----the prophet's examples and sayings. :-) So, Ahmed can do his cut and paste of the *wicked* sources from the Submitters page, but our source is the Quran + the Sunnah---which confirm for us different from these wicked people. :-) We Muslims believe that the Finality of Prophethood of Muhammad is also the Finality of his Messengerhood and these are some sound hadeeths that affirm our belief: "The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib). The Prophet of God (PBUH) affirmed: "My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib)."'Abdur Rahman bin Jubair reported: "I heard Abdullah bin 'Amr ibn-'As narrating that one day the Holy Prophet (PBUH) came out of his house and joined our company. His manner gave us the impression as if he were leaving us.' He said, 'I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah' and repeated this statement three times. Then he affirmed: "There will be no prophet after me'."(Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat'Abdullah bin Amr ibn'-As.) The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Allah will send NO MESSENGER after me, but only Mubashshirat. It was said: what is meant by al-Mubashshirat. He said : Good vision or pious vision". (Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Tufail, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud) (In other words there is no possibility of Divine revelation in future. At the most if some one receives an inspiration from Allah he will receive it in the form of "pious dream." The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "If a MESSENGER were to succeed me, it would have been 'Umar bin Khattab." (Tirmidhi,Kitab-ul- Manaqib) " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). The Holy Prophet (PBUH) told 'Ali, "You are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses(peace be upon him). But no Apostle will come after me." (Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab Fada'il as-Sahaba). Thauban reports: "The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: And there will arise Thirty imposters in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and NO MESSENGER will come after me." (Abu Dawud, Kitab-ul-Fitan).Abu Dawud in 'Kitab-ul-Malahim' has recorded another tradition reported by Abu Huraira in the same subject. Tirmidhi has also recorded these two traditions as reported by Hadrat Thauban and Hadrat Abu Huraira. The text of the second tradition runs thus: "It will come to this that thirty IMPOSTERS will arise and each one of them will put forth his claim to be the MESSENGER of God.". The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "Among the tribe of Israel who went before you there indeed were such people who held communion with God, even though they were not his Prophets. If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with God, it would be none else but 'Umar (May Allah be pleased with him)." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib). Now, the question is: Do we believe Ahmed with the Submitters or do we believe the sayings of our messenger/prophet Muhammad? Also, the other issue we are talking with Ahmed and the Submitters is ABOUT the prophets and books. Well, one of the prophet's sayings is this: It has been reported that the prophet to have said: "From Adam to me, Allah sent a hundred and twenty-four thousand Prophets, of whom three hundred and fifteen were entrusted with a Book." Now, the question is why were there so many more Prophets than Books as the hadeeth tell us? I mean, If the role of a Prophet were simply to HAVE a BOOK and deliver the Book, as Ahmed and Submitters believe, there should have been as many Books as Prophets, right? :-)
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalamu alaykum. Dear brother Umar; We believe the sayings of our messenger/prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and we obey his commands and we copy his actions, Allah the most glorious and the most high has ordered us to do so AL-anfal. 20. O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak). Al-imran. 31. Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Al-imran. 32. Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. Al-imram.132. And obey Allah and the Messenger. that ye may obtain mercy. We obey Allah and his prophet because we hope to be in the company of these; Al-nisa. 6.9. All who obey Allah and the apostle are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship! Al-nisa. 70. Such is the bounty from Allah. And sufficient is it that Allah knoweth all. Al-nisa. 9 2. Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger.s duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. Brother Umar; by obeying our prophet we know that we are obeying Allah the most gracious and the most high. Al-nisa. 80. He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds). Brother Umar; perhaps you were a little bit puzzled, as I was, why submitters dismiss prophet Mohammed’s (pbuh) Hadiths and why they do not obey him while on the same time claiming that they are believers, perhaps brother you were also a little pit puzzled how submitters pick and chose what they like from our religion, when I read the following verses I was not surprised any more. Al-nour.47. They say, "We believe in Allah and in the apostle, and we obey": but even after that, some of them turn away: they are not (really) Believers. Al-nour. 48. When they are summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come). Al-nour. 49. But if the right is on their side, they come to him with all submission. Al-nour. 50. Is it that there is a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt, or are they in fear, that Allah and His Messenger will deal unjustly with them? Nay, it is they themselves who do wrong. Brother Umar; when I continued to read the verses which followed, I saw in contrast how the believers should answer. Al-nour. 51. The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, "We hear and we obey": it is such as these that will attain felicity. Al-nour. 52. It is such as obey Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah and do right, that will win (in the end) Sadaqa Allahu Al cadiim. Ahmad; I thought you were at least capable of conveying back messages, what happened to the message I asked you to convey to your masters? Or was your training, as a delivery boy, designed to only do one way delivery. Ahmad, you know we can’t keep debating the contents of a message with the messenger. Salamu Alaykum.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Now, we’re talking, Brother. You said; [And *suxuf* is like a book---like the book given to Ibraahim.] Well, hallelujah! Now, would you be so kind to tell me what was the name of the Book of Abraham??? I mean, you wanted me to tell you the book of John, correct? Well, tell me...the Book of Abraham, from the Qur`an...and I will tell you the Book of John! Umar, I accept your typo -- it’s human. No biggie(I knew there was something not right!) You said; [Ahmed said "would you think Moses followed another prophet's book???" Muuse did NOT followed; he is the one who was being followed by haruun "...Muuse said: O Haruun! what prevented you when you saw them going astray; that you followed me not?..." Suratul Tah 9:4] What are you talking about??? When I asked *would you think Moses followed another Prophet’s Book”? I was talking about the phrase *HOLD FAST TO THE BOOK*. Remember, the phrase that was said to John...that you said meant: “follow the Book of Moses”???? Well, God says to Moses; [And We ordained for him in the Tablets in all matters, admonition and explanation of all things, (and said): "Take and hold these with firmness, and enjoin thy people to hold fast by the best in the precepts: soon shall I show you the homes of the wicked,- (how they lie desolate)." 7.145] I mean, does that mean Moses(pbuh) followed a Book of another Messenger before him???? Similar, God says to Muhammad; [So hold thou fast to the Revelation sent down to thee; verily thou art on a Straight Way. 43.43] Does that also mean Muhammad followed another Book before Qur`an...or that he should follow a Book beside the Qur`an??? Do you see what I mean??? The same phrase that you used against John being given a Book is used for other Prophets whom you believe are given books -- so what am I missing, Yaa `Umar? Also, did you give up the idea that Luqman was a Prophet -- or did you find me a verse in the Qur`an telling us that??? Similar, I asked you for a verse that says Moses was given the *TORAH* -- do we ever see such verse in the Qur`an? Likewise, I asked you for a verse that says the Book was given ONLY to Moses??? Yes, there are many verse in the Qur`an that say “and we gave to moses the Book” but, as I said, there is just one another verse in the Qur`an that says it was given to BOTH Aaron and Moses. So, unless there is another verse saying it was given ONLY to Moses -- that verse is very much applicable and THERE! You said; [So, this issue is about-----*prophets* , *messengers* and *books*------and what it all boils down to is-----the difference of beliefs.] Heheheh! NO, no, and 1000 times no! The Qur`an, Brother, we’re talking from the Qur`an -- the Qur`an does NOT have different beliefs...but one mighty voice. And, our understanding of these issues depend on your NOT ignoring the facts -- and coming out to discuss. The points that I listed above -- is the whole key of the base of understanding this whole thing. When you come to terms with it, QUR`ANICALLY -- I promise you, all will be solved, either way. I won’t deviate from the Qur`an -- and if we all do that -- we’ll have one source to understand...and one God to follow...and one religion to be in. I’m monotheistic -- I always like *one*(sue me...hehehehe!) You said; [Well, the discussion Ahmed is having can be also called "just a defense" and what is important about this is that we know where the things he defends come from---as we already found out--where Ahmed copies from his sources---people like that are really the ones who deserve more the title of "wicked" people.] Forget the submitters and their beliefs, focus on the Qur`an -- i’m not here telling you stuff from the novels but from the Qur`an...forget the human -- can you concentrate on the Qur`an...and try to see it -- without applying what is taught to you by your fore-fathers of yore? Forget who coppies what and who sources who -- the message, Umar...in the Qur`an. A Muslim, Umar, does not *defend* -- a Muslim strifes for the Truth...otherwise, one ends up like those; [When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?] A Muslim...is one who is not proud but strifes for the Truth...Those who can say to their fathers; ["Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."] Are the two parties the same? TRULY, Truth always stands clear from Error. You went ahead and quoted hadiths -- however, one of the hadiths is in BIG contradiction with the Qur`an. The one that lists the numbers of the Prophets/messengers of God since Adam. God, in the Qur`an, tells Muhammad that; [Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- 4.164] So, God says that He did NOT tell some of the Messenger to Muhammad -- how did Prophet know that? Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, did NOT know anything that did not concern him. But, then again, if you think he was devine enough to participate a covenant...and confirm himself -- then surely, you must think he’s devine enough to know ALL! Oh, well! Also, did I forget to tell you that some time, in the past, some Muslims thought that Joseph was God’s last Messenger??? GUESS, where that came from -- hadiths, of course! ALSO, I can’t believe Prophet Muhammad would forget that Jesus was coming after him as a Messenger of Allah -- who will BRING people back to the religion. Who will rule by Muhammad’s Book. Who will do live by Muhammad’s commandments from God. Who will be a follower of Muhammad -- instead of a Prophet who will bring a revelation. Yep, i’m most certainly amazed! The lies that are attributed to the Prophet is just an outie. ANYWAY, today I read the somali translation of the Quran; Guess just what I came upon; [“(waxaa loo yidhi) Yaxyow ku qaado kitaabka (tawreed) xoog (dadaal) waxaan siinnay xigmo isagoo yar” 19.12] The translater goes ahead and comments on the verse; [“...waxaana la siiyey Yaxye KITAAB iyo XIGMO, naxariis iyo daahirnimo, wuxuuna ahaa dhawrsade...” pg. 413, QURAANKA KARIIMKA: iyo tarjamada macnihiisa ee afka soomaaliga, Maxamuud maxamed cabdi] Nur, Hehehe! You see, i’m not interested in dealing with paranoid people, Nur. I told you a million times that I have no assosiation with those people -- and frankly, I don’t give a damn if or if not you do not believe...suit yourself! ;) Peace and Love to all Muslims, --Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear brothers and sisters; Allow me to demonstrate one example of the absurdity of debating the contents of the message with the messenger. The bearer of the message was commissioned to give the following verse as a reference to the argument; [Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- 4.164] And by writing the following, the bearer has polluted the original message; * So, God says that He did NOT tell some of the Messenger to Muhammad -- how did Prophet know that? Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, did NOT know anything that did not concern him. But, then again, if you think he was devine enough to participate a covenant...and confirm himself -- then surely, you must think he’s devine enough to know ALL! Oh, well! * See what I mean? The verse tells us that there was some prophets Allah (swt) has told their story to prophet Mohammed (pbuh), their story includes the story of their birth, their upbringing, their family, their message, their people (umah), the emphasis in the verse is the word “STORY” and their were other prophets Allah has not told their story to prophet Mohammed (pbuh), that does not mean the prophet was not told about their names and their numbers. Despite the clarity of both the verse and the Hadith and despite their compatibility, the bearer of the message says; “one of the hadiths is in BIG contradiction with the Qur`an” Well I am not surprised, your job Ahmad, was not to manufacture your own argument and your own logic, it was just to deliver and to let your masters do the thinking, and when you depart from your instructions the following is what happens! You say these things; * Also, did I forget to tell you that some time, in the past, some Muslims thought that Joseph was God’s last Messenger??? GUESS, where that came from -- hadiths, of course! * Just laughable. Regards
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear brother Nur, thank you for pointing out the Words of Allah, pertaining to the following of what our Messenger Muhammad. Such people like Ahmed---in his following Submitters way---should look through the material of his defense which he copies from Submitters page and compare them the material with the record that we have presented and then judge for himself if the material upon which he is relying for his defense is worth the trust of a reasonable person or a Muslim. Messengerhood is not a quality to be acquired by a KADAAB like Khalifa Rashad and even any person who proves himself worthy of it by devoting himself to prayers and righteous deeds nor is it anything like a reward given in recognition of good service. Messengerhood is an office and Allah appoints some person to this office to fulfill a special need. When such a need arises, Allah appoints a Prophet first then that Prophet as a Messenger to fulfill it. Allah does not send Messengers in rapid succession when there is no need or when the need has been fulfilled. Firstly there was need for a Prophet and Messenger to be sent unto a certain nation to which no prophet/messenger had been sent before and the message brought by the Prophet/Messenger of another nation could not have reached these people. Secondly, there was need for appointing a prophet because the message of an earlier Prophet/Messenger had been forgotten by the people, or the teachings of the former prophets/messengers had been adulterated and hence it had become impossible to follow the message brought by that Messenger/Prophet. Thirdly, the people had not received complete mandate of Allah through a former prophet/messenger. Hence succeeding prophets/messengers were sent to fulfill the task of completing the religion of Allah. Fourthly, there was need for a second prophet/messenger to share the responsibility of office with the first prophet. It is obvious that none of the above needs remains to be fulfilled after the advent of Messenger/Prophet Muhammad. The Holy Quran says that the Rasuul of Muhammad has been sent as a bearer of instructions for the whole mankind. The cultural history of the world bears testimony to the fact that since the advent of the Messenger Muhammed up to the present time such conditions have always prevailed in the world which were conducive to transmitting his message to all nations at all times. It follows, therefore, that different nations no longer need different messengers after the time of the messenger Muhammad. The Holy Quran and the records of Hadith and the biographical details of the life of Muhammad stand witness to the fact that the Divine message brought into this world by the Messenger/prophet Muhammad is extant in its original and pure form. The Messenger's message has suffered no process of distortion or falsification. Not a single word has been added to or expunged from the Holy Book which the Messenger Muhammad brought unto the world from Almighty Allah-----except what the Rashad Khalifa's followers claim---nor can anyone make additions to or delete anything from it till the Day of Resurrection. The message which the Holy Messenger conveyed by word and action has been transmitted to us in such comprehensive, pure and original form. In this way the second condition under which Messengers/Propehts are sent unto the world has also been fulfilled. Thirdly the Holy Qur'an clearly affirms that Allah has finally completed His Divine Mission through the agency of Messenger/Prophet Muhammad---"today I have completed your diin---hence there is no room for a new messenger to carry the divine mission to completion. As regards the fourth condition, if a partner were really needed he would have been appointed in the time of Messenger Muhammad (PBUH) to share the burden of his ministry. Since no co- prophet/messenger was appointed, this condition also stands fulfilled. We should not, therefore, look around for a fifth condition under which a new messenger might be needed after Muhammad. If the Submitters---with Ahmed being their poster-boy or a messenger---argue that people have fallen into depravity, hence there is need for a new messenger like Rashad Khalifa to reform the degenerate people, we shall ask him: When did a messenger ever come to introduce reforms only that we should need one now to carry out the work of reformation? A messenger/prophet is appointed so that he may be the recipient of Divine revelation and Divine revelations are made with express purpose of transmitting a new message or to correct the wrongs that have crept into an earlier religion. When the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of our Messenger/Prophet Muhammad have been preserved in comprehensive form and when the Divine mission has been completed by Muhammad, all possible need for the transmission of Divine revelations have now been fulfilled and there is further need only of reformers to cleanse the evils of mankind, but there is no room for MESSENGERS OR PROPHETS. The other point which needs consideration is that whenever a messenger/prophet is sent unto a certain people the question of faith and infidelity invariably arises among these people. The faithful form one Ummah and the disbelievers automatically form different community. The difference that keeps these two communities apart is not peripheral or superficial but a basic and fundamental difference of belief or disbelief in a messenger/prophet; and those two communities can never merge with each other unless people of one side decide to surrender their faith. In addition, these two Ummahs obtain guidance and derive their law from two different sources. One sect follows the law emanating from the Divine message and Sunnah of the Messenger or the Prophet they believe in; the other community is fundamentally opposed to the idea of this Messenger being the law-giver. On this basis, it becomes an impossibility for these two sections to join in a unified and cohesive society. It will be perfectly clear to a man who keeps the above facts in view that the Finality of Messengerhood and the Finality Prophethood are great blessing from Allah for the people of Islam------for we would not expect a man like Rashad Khalifa to claim that he is a messenger from Allah. The belief in the finality of Messengerhood/Prophethood has secured Muslim society from the danger of any fundamental dissension which might result in permanent division in its ranks. Now every man who accepts Muhammad (PBUH) as a divinely appointed Guide and Leader and also is not inclined to seek instruction from any other source except the Divine message of the Messenger Muhammad is a member of the brotherhood of Islam and on this basis, can join this brotherhood at any time. If the office of Prophethood/Messengerhood had not been sealed once and for all after Muhammad, the people of Islam could never have forged a cohesive society; for every new MESSENGER/PROPHET would have shattered the unity of the Ummah. A reasonable person after a little deliberation will come to the conclusion that when a *messenger* has been sent to the whole mankind (not just to a certain group or nation), and when the Divine *message* has been completely transmitted through this Messenger/Prophet and further when the teachings of the Messenger have been fully preserved, the office of messengerhood/prophethood should be sealed after him in order that the whole world may unite in allegiance to this Messenger/Prophet and form one brotherhood of the faithful. Only in this way can universal brotherhood of Islam be secured against needless dissensions which might have repeatedly erupted on the appearance of every successive messenger/prophet----but no no no---the *wicked* people like the ones Ahmed agrees with wouldn't have it that way.! The traditions or the sayings of our messenger relating to the Descent of CIISE, Abu Huraira reports that the messenger of Allah said: "I swear by Him Who hath power over my life, the son of Mary shall descend among ye as a Just ruler. He will break the cross and kill the swine; and he will put an end to war." (Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith al-Anbiya; Bab: Nuzul 'Isa Ibn Maryam; Muslim, Bab: Bayan Nuzul 'Isa; Tirmidhi, Abwab-al-Fitan; Bab Fi Nuzul 'Isa; Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Huraira) Abu Huraira reports that the Messenger of Allah said: "What will you be like when the son of Mary shall descend among ye and a person among ye will discharge the office of Imam (leader in Prayers)."[see footnote 7] (Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith Anbiya, Bab: Nuzul Isa; Muslim, Nuzul Isa; Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Huraira) . Jabir bin Abdullah reports that he heard the Messenger Muhammad as saying: "Then Ciise, son of Mary, will descend. The leader of the Muslims will say to him, "Come, lead us in Prayer," but he will reply, "No be thou your own leaders in prayer."[see footnote 8] He will say this out of respect for the dignity that God has bestowed on the people of Islam." (Muslim, Bayan Nuzul Isa ibn Maryam; Musnad Ahmad, Basilsila Marwiyat Jabir bin Abdullah)"
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Nur, HAHAAHAH! LOL! I was talking about *Muhammad's hadiths*??? When I was talking about Joseph -- I was talking about the Muslims of that time who said that *sayings*(hadiths) of Joseph tell us that there was not going to be a Messenger after him. As for the *STORY* -- Just mentioning the name of the Prophet/Messenger is relating, Nur. God did not have to tell Muhammad details about Messengers. God only related to us what WE, Muslims, needed -- as a parable, etc. Most of the Messengers and Prophets in the Qur`an are not explained in detail -- but God only relates that which we need. Oh, and Nur, I don't manufacture -- I learn...and Blessed is the God who teaches! Umar, We didn't even agree if or if not there'd be a Messenger after Muhammad. And you're jumping to if there is one needed. And, FYI, I do examine anything that i'm taking from anyone...before I take it. And, please, don't forget -- i'm a normal human being whose capability of understanding is limited -- if I had the power to decide everything by one just comparing...I'd not need to strife for the Truth, now would I? ...don't forget, it was you who asked/questioned the discussion -- and it's you who is jumping out of it...when can't answer/reason. As I said, i'm never here to convince anybody -- but to give them the opportunity...which, by the way, services itself...no matter what. Oh, and BTW, you can trust me when I tell you -- NO NATION ever needed guidance as much as the Muslims of today do; billions who are lost and who hate each other...while their enemies just take for a lunch each of them, every other year. People who are subjected to corruption, oppression, and astrayed by the minute. Just look at ALL the sects -- each hell-frying the other. There are people who get up every day to kill other Muslims because they think they're sect blah and are in the wrong track. Can you truly name one muslim society that lives off the benefits of the believers??? who love each other and live with love and hormony?...who the blessings of God and His Angels are showered with? THAT nation exists ONLY in the Qur`an. BUT, I know God does not forsake His people -- and when the time comes...victory will be on the side of those who are the servants of God. El havub, Mashiach de vauch rudt! *God Almighty, Let the Messiah return!* Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmad; I see you are still confused with what you are talking about, well rest assured Ahmad, this things often happen when the viewpoint you are trying to convey IS SIMPLY NOT YOURS. In philosophical terms it is known as “straw man fallacy”. Regards
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "We didn't even agree if or if not there'd be a Messenger after Muhammad. And you're jumping to if there is one needed." Yes, that is because Ahmed is still not sure if Rashad Khalifa is a messenger from Allah or not. Unlike, Ahmed, I'm sure of it and concluded that Rashad Khalifa to have been a KADAAB. Ahmed said "And, FYI, I do examine anything that i'm taking from anyone...before I take it. And, please, don't forget -- i'm a normal human being whose capability of understanding is limited" I'm a normal human being too, but this is clear in my mind and have already "examined" that Rashad Khalifa, without a doubt, was a KADAAB. That is the difference between Ahmed and I. Ahmed said "don't forget, it was you who asked/questioned the discussion -- and it's you who is jumping out of it...when can't answer/reason." Well, redundancy and going around circles in argument are not interesting and since Ahmed said "I have seen much of it(from all wicked religions) and i'm not interested", I thought it was time that I presented where the *source* we believe in comes from-----the sayings of our Messenger Muhammad--- which Ahmed does not agree with and deny. Ahmed said "i'm never here to convince anybody -- but to give them the opportunity...which, by the way, services itself...no matter what." Yes, Ahmed did convince anybody the points he agrees with the Rashad Khalifa's followers, but we are convinced of the hadeeth of our messenger Muhammad that *GIVES" us the better *opportunity* for guidance: " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik)." Ahmed said "Oh, and BTW, you can trust me when I tell you -- NO NATION ever needed guidance as much as the Muslims of today do;" Yes, I'm *sure* that we needed NO a KADAAB like Rashad Khalifa for a *guidance*---the so called the "messenger of the covenant from Allah"?, but Ahmed can still say he is not *sure* if Rashad Khalifa was a KADAAB or not. Ahmed said "BUT, I know God does not forsake His people -- and when the time comes...victory will be on the side of those who are the servants of God" Yes, Allah does not forsake His people; He already sent Muhammad, the last messenger and the last prophet of Allah to us and the true *servants of Allah* who follow him are those who follow the QURAN and the SUNNAH. Ahmed said "billions who are lost and who hate each other...while their enemies just take for a lunch each of them, every other year. People who are subjected to corruption, oppression, and astrayed by the minute." Is not Ahmed included those "billions" who he mentioned?---or---Is Ahmed saying his not "astrayed" from the straight bath and that we-----who come here-----are the lost ones and that he is better than us? Ahmed said "El havub, Mashiach de vauch rudt! *God Almighty, Let the Messiah return!* " And the meantime, Oh! Allah! protect us from any KADAAB like Rashad Khalifa and any IMPOSTER who claims to be a messenger or a Messaiah from Allah.
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Umar; To these; Ahmed said "El havub, Mashiach de vauch rudt! *God Almighty, Let the Messiah return!* " And in the meantime, Oh! Allah! protect us from any KADAAB like Rashad Khalifa and any IMPOSTER who claims to be a messenger or a Messaiah from Allah. I say Amin. Regards
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| | Unrecorded Date Jazakallaahum khairan brothers Nur, Umar, Walaalkiin, BashirAbdi and others. Ahmad has an agenda, but he will not succeed. Al Xaq is on our side. It truly amazes me how one can change and corrupt their faith so easily. What a weak imaan they must have!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, LOL! Agreeing if or if not there'd be a Messenger after Muhammad has nothing to do with my not doing *in or out* on Rashad...and you know it. The concept of it -- I believed the concept before I even knew Rashad Khalifa ever existed. You said; [I'm a normal human being too, but this is clear in my mind and have already "examined" that Rashad Khalifa, without a doubt, was a KADAAB. That is the difference between Ahmed and I.] Why are you lying? Were you not the ONE who believes that there won't be any Messenger after Muhammad? How can you *examine* something that you're already pre-fixed with its oppossite? REMEMBER, the phrase from the verse???...["Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers."] ...and then after that you said. [Well, redundancy and going around circles in argument are not interesting and since Ahmed said "I have seen much of it(from all wicked religions) and i'm not interested", I thought it was time that I presented where the *source* we believe in comes from-----the sayings of our Messenger Muhammad--- which Ahmed does not agree with and deny.] The point is...We were never discussing *RASHAD KHALIFA* but if or if not would be a Messenger after Muhammad. You raised questions(Luqman, John, Aaron/Moses, SUXUF, etc) -- and it was you who got out of them, again. You couldn't find evidence to present from the Qur`an to strengthen your claims...and when I proved to be wrong, each and everyone, you just silenced yourself about them(why? hehe!) You darn well know that I do not hold the Hadiths and the Qur`an in the similar position -- and that I believe the Hadiths are corrupted. Thus, your presentation of it is simply baseless...since we're discussing from the Qur`an. You said; [ Is not Ahmed included those "billions" who he mentioned?---or---Is Ahmed saying his not "astrayed" from the straight bath and that we-----who come here-----are the lost ones and that he is better than us?] Oh, yes, i'm very much part of those -- however, with the GRACE of God, i was NEVER one who thought he had found ALL TRUTH from my forefathers of yore...for the Qur`an teaches me to always strife for the Truth and NEVER ever...refuse anything without examining them. Blessed are those who God calls; "the strifers" and Blessed is the God who is Most Merciful to never astray a sincere who is looking for the Truth, sincerely(without any defending of one's past!) And, as I said, until my research on Rashad is over -- I will NOT bless him or curse him. Xaali, What have I been saying since day one? TRUTH STANDS CLEAR FROM ERROR! Nothing succeeds -- until it is righteous. Remember the story of Abraham? How he left his own father and relative? EVEN like that...when one goes alone for the strife of the Truth, one succeeds. And, darling, it's I...who is truly amazed how the majority of the world's population dwells in corruption...and holds onto faiths that do not matter in the eyes of God. I always wonder how weak of a faith they must have, too. The joke, however, is ALWAYS on the unjust! Toodles! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "Agreeing if or if not there'd be a Messenger after Muhammad has nothing to do with my not doing *in or out* on Rashad...and youknow it. The concept of it -- I believed the concept before I even knew Rashad Khalifa ever existed." But I knew before also that Rashad Khalifa, the KADAAB, and other KADAABIIN like him who CLAIMED to have been from Allah as messengers and prophets, were IMPOSTERS and YES, I knew this from my ISLAMIC teachings---(QURAN+SUNNAH). And anyone who CLAIMS in the future about his messengership or prophethood will be also an IMPOSTER and a KADAAB too. So, still, unlike Ahmed, I'm sure of this(that there would not be another messenger after Muhamad) and I concluded that Rashad Khalifa to have been a KADAAB, because the Prophet/Messenger Muhammad said: "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik)." Ahmed said "Were you not the ONE who believes that there won't be any Messenger after Muhammad? Yes, and still it is my belief that there won't be any messenger after Muhammad. Ahmed said "How can you *examine* something that you're already pre-fixed with its oppossite? REMEMBER, the phrase from the verse???...["Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers."]" Like I said---based on the teachings of ISLAM--(QURAN + SUNNAH), I *eximine*, scrutinize, *observe* and *consider* things. I already ruled out that if Rashad Khalifa is a KADAAB, just as i ruled out those who were like him who lied about their messengerhood and prophethood----from Musaylama to Elajah. Ahmed said "You couldn't find evidence to present from the Qur`an to strengthen your claims" As I said---I do not believe the QURAN ONLY; I believe the QURAN+SUNNAH. Ahmed said "You darn well know that I do not hold the Hadiths and the Qur`an in the similar position" I do not to hold them the same standard too, but I believe THIS saying of our Messenger/Prophet Muhammad: ""The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik)." Ahmed said "Thus, your presentation of it is simply baseless...since we're discussing from the Qur`an." Again, I do not care what Ahmed believes and does not believe. Ahmed can present the views and the *baseless* teachings of Rashad Khalifa and he can copy things from Submitters page. I can present the teachings of ISLAM--(THE QURAN + SUNNAH). Ahmed can say that Rashad Khalifa was a SMART guy, but to us, Rashad Khalifa still was a KADAAB. Rashad Khalifa and his followers along with Ahmed denied and do not believe this: """The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik)." Ahmed said "Oh, yes, i'm very much part of those -- however, with the GRACE of God, i was NEVER one who thought he had found ALL TRUTH from my forefathers of yore" Allah DIGRACED Rashad Khalifa while he was in this world and we know Rashad Khalifa was a KADAAB. Those who still believe--him--*in or out on Rashad Khalifa" and say he might have been a messenger from Allah are also KADAABIIN. Ahmed said "for the Qur`an teaches me to always strife for the Truthand NEVER refuse anything without examining them" And Allah teaches in the QURAN that we must follow the teachings of ISLAM---ALLAH-(HIS WORDS(QURAN) + MUHAMAD-(HIS ACTIONS AND SAYINGS). I would never take this belief over what the followers of Rashad Khalifa, the KADAAB, say. Ahmed said "Blessed are those who God calls; "the strifers" and Blessed is the God who is Most Merciful to never astray a sincere who islooking for the Truth, sincerely(without any defending of one's past!)" But "those" who follow and still not sure if RASHAD KHALIFA, THE KADAAB, to have been a messenger, are the lost ones and are the *strivers of deception*, far from any blessings. Ahmed said "And, as I said, until my research on Rashad is over -- I will NOT bless him or curse him." Rashad Khalifa was not a messenger from ALLAH; he was a KADAAB. He was a *WICKED* man.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalamu Alaykum; Brother Umar; Jazakallahu khayran, I could not agree more. Ahmad, You have delivered to us the following * The point is...We were never discussing *RASHAD KHALIFA* but if or if not would be a Messenger after Muhammad. * And this; * Agreeing if or if not there'd be a Messenger after Muhammad has nothing to do with my not doing *in or out* on Rashad...and you know it. * And this * As I said, until my research on Rashad is over -- I will NOT bless him or curse him. * And also this * IF Rashad Khalifa was not a Messenger -- he was one smart man. Because, every day...hundreds of thousands (from all over the world) join his path. * I want to ask you, which one of the above statements are your contributions? And which of them are delivery consignments? Ahmad, the concept of “two wrongs make a right” is simply fallacious. That is a classic outgrowth whenever we attempt to argue the contents of the message with the messenger! Regards.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, A while ago, I read a book written by Rashad -- and in his book he quotes the Qur`an that there are those who look for religious guidance beside the Qur`an in a book where they can find whatever they want -- INCLUDING those things that God deliberately left out in the Qur`an out of his Mercy. I agree with him! I will tell you this; IF Rashad Khalifa was not a Messenger -- by God, then God is, as always, the Most Merciful...because he has shown me goodness through a wicked man. Points that he has shown me...are truly -- things that are corrupted and the Qur`an makes clear. ..and IF Rashad was a Messenger -- Truly, God is, as always, Most Merciful for bringing a Messenger when we needed him the most. Umar, we cannot debate Rashad -- I can't debate something that i'm not decided on. However, verse 3.81 is on the neck of those who deny a Messenger coming after Muhammad. I'm not surprised that at all -- because I see Christians who deny Muhammad when he's fore-told in their Book; that is just a typical MAN, as God says, an ungrateful being. I said before...and I will say it again; I'm never here to convince anybody but to give the opportunity to hear; decision is on the neck of those who heard. Choice -- that is why we're ALL here on Earth...to make a choice. I pray that we ALL make the right choice. Nur, Brother, live `n learn! Abraham was only one -- and a WHOLE society, Noah?...Salih? Muhammad? John? -- all those righteous Muslim men...were just ONE and were also against all others. Now, let me ask you this; WADAR IYO WAAXID KEE WAALAN? Our ancestors must've been rrreeeaaallllllllllyyyy good to come up with such a saying, `eh? ;) Delivery? Hhhhmmm, let me check my *delivering list* LOL! Truly, man can be SO paranoid. Jews are people who want to GET AWAY from the *filthness* of the Gentiles -- throughout history, they were persecuted for this reason...for being SO proud of who they're they wanted their own little world. Now, what in the world...would they benefit from hiring Rashad khalifa??? You know what they say; nin waliba wuxuu yahay buu ku moodaa. Rashad Khalifa was offered MORE money than he'd EVER need by the Richie Arab regimes in the Middle East...to stop his preaching and path; he refused. Now, his family is poor people who WORK for a living...I always wonder why give up such opportunity had he been so *kadaab*??? But, then again, I remember, I'm not paranoid! ;) May God benefit us from Rashad if he was a servant of God's...and may God protect us against his evil if he was a wicked man. Peace and love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "A while ago, I read a book written by Rashad -- and in his book he quotes the Qur`an that there are those who look for religious guidance beside the Qur`an in a book where they can find whatever they want -- INCLUDING those things that God deliberately left out in the Qur`an out of his Mercy. I agree with him!" And I read what someone wrote on this thread about another Somali Submitter, who like Ahmed, admires Rashad Khalifa(the KADAAB). Like Ahmed, this Somali Submitter does not want to come out of the closet and declare himself as a Submitter, yet he promotes the teachings of Rashad Khalifa.! This Somali Submitter *CLAIMS* that he does not consider Rashad Khalifa to have been a messenger from Allah, while Ahmed says he is *in or out* on Rashad's being a messenger of Allah. This is what was said to him: "Mr. Abib, it is clear here that you have a one-track mind, and soon everyone will realize that you are ridding a superficial track, which is full of extreme insincerity that makes you look absurd to the point where you bore everyone to distraction. Do you think now that we will not consider you as one of Khalifate? If you aren't a Khalifate, then, you are addicted to the habit of being a monomaniac as though you are an iconoclast. But, we know you are what you are, a Khalifate since a lot of your ideas really came from Rashad Khalifa. Your ways of thinking is sufficiently similar to him; thus, you could be described by the name of Khalifate since he was the one who originated those ideas of yours. You see, a Khalifite means something more than a mere rejection of hadeeth. It represents, rather, a whole complex of ideas and views which are identifiable with the teachings of Khalifa which you clearly follow. You might want to reject quite a few of his ideas now and still be legitimately called a Khalifite. There is no difference between, say for example, an open-minded Khalifite, which you are trying to be, and a blind-faith Khalifite. They are all the same to me. You want to acknowledge that Khalifa only made mistakes and he was not a messenger, but then you want to promote his mistakes on to this forums, and use his so called the translation of the Qur'an which you also still sending it to others as a good Qura'n.!!!!!! Is this an example of hypocrisy or what?"
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| | Unrecorded Date PEACE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AHMED YOU DID GOOD JOB AND YOU WIN. THE QUESTIONS ASKED UMAR IS AMASING BROTHERS AND SISTERS. UMMAR CANNOT ANSWER THEM AS I SEE BECAUSE THERE IS NO ANSWER. AHMED IS KOFAR MAYBE BUT HE MADE GOOD ARGOMENT. PEACE
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Caleykum Anigu waxaan la yaabanahay sidee qof u diidayaa axaadiista nabiga s.c.w. ayaadoo la og yahay inuu quraankuba ahaa mid nabiga keenay oo aysan jirin cid uga horeysay. Sidee ku aaminaysaa quraanka inuu yahay hadalkii Ilaahey hadaadan aaminsaneyn in nabigu uu ahaa nabi xaq ah oo minalaahi laga soo diray hadalkiisa oo dhana uu ahaa waxyi. Waxaa yaab leh, qofka axaadiista diidaya oo quraanka dhahaya waan aaminsanahay. Quraanka ayey ku cadahay in adeecida nabiga ayey tahay adeecida Alle. Ilaahey wuxuu yiri "WA MAAA AATAAKUMU RASUULU FAKHUDUUHU WAMAA NAHAAKUM FANTAHUU." Wax walba oo uu suubanaha idinla yimaado qaata wixii uu idinka reebona ka hara. Waxaa kaloo Alle yiri nabiyoow waxaad ku tiraahdaa hadey Alle jecelyihiin i raaca; Allena wuu idin jeclaani. Waxaa kaloo nabiga ka sugnaaday inuu yiri "Qof walba janada ayuu gali cidii diida ma ahee, waxaa la yiri janada yaa diidi; suubanaha wuxuu ku jawaabay, cidii i adeecda janada ayey gali cidii ugu caasisana waa ay diiday janada. Marka waxaa meesha ka cad inaan quraanka iyo axaadiista laka reebi karin bal ay is fasiraan. Waa ayadoo aad tiri waxaan kala reebayaa aaminida Alle iyo aaminida rasuulka, salaada iyo sakada. Waxaan oo dhan waa gaalnimo. Caqiidada Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaacah waxay qabtaa cidii aayad quraan ah diida inay ku gaaaloobayso arrinkaas bal hadii aad xaraf quraanka ka mid ah diidona gaalnimo ayaaba ku jiraa. Anigu ma garanayo sida quraan iyo axaadiis loo kala reebi karo.
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| | Unrecorded Date PEACE AHMED AHMED ARE YOU REALLY MUSLIM? YOU SOUND CONFUSED. DO YOU GO TO THE MASJID FREQEUNTLY? DO YOU READ QORAN? I HEAR YOU BUT YOU SOUND CONFUSED. PEACE
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| | Unrecorded Date Ya Fatima!, Oh, Don't let Ahmed fool ya. Ahmed is a submitter. If you don't know what submitters stand for, so pls visit their sites (you can find their address one of the above messages here). Aakhira Axmed kulama joogo, tiisa haysata ee yuusan ku dhuminin. Submittersku waxaay qabaan in diinta casriga (waqtiga) lala socodsiiyo. Diinta sidii laqumanaato oo aay hadba westiga ugu soo dhowaan karaan ayeey ka dhigtaan.Yuhuud ayaa waxay u asaastey in Islamka lagu jabiyo. Isku soo duuduub, submittersku waa GAALO cad. Axmedna waa inan fariinta soomalida loogu soo dhiibo, xoogaagiisa shilimaadkana loo tuuro.
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| | Unrecorded Date FAATIMA = AXMAD. LOOK AT THE TWO WRITING OF FAATIMA. ONE IS WRITTEN IN BROKEN ENGLISH AND THE OTHER IS NOT. WAA AXMADOO ISKA DHIGAAYA FAADUMO. FAATIMA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT RASUULKEENA MAXAMAD IN UU YAHAY THE LAST MESSENGER FROM ALLAH? MA JECESHAHAY RICHARD KHALIIF?
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Fatima, When you say *really muslim* what do you mean? I only know ONE kind of Muslim and that is Muslim and nothing more. And, yes, i'm Muslim. I do go to the Mosque AND read the Qur`an -- what is your point? I sound confused? HA! Well, aren't you a little late with that? It is true that i seem confused, but am I? hehehe! Strifing for the Truth does not make one confused. Please, read the Qur`an and see where Abraham is going "is this my god???" to the sun and it sets and then goes "nah...that can't be my god" etc. TRULY, I don't think he was confused at all...but was strifing for the Truth -- and God is ALWAYS on the side of those who strife for the Truth. Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Lying always never gets anyone anywhere, Umar. I never admire Rashad Khalifa -- nor do I insult him. I only comment on things about him, objectively -- which has NOTHING, and ABSOLUTELY nothing, to do with my belief regarding him(at this time and point!) Also, Abib IS submitter -- I have seen places where he signed with his name as part of their community(when striking another part, etc)! You said; [Like Ahmed, this Somali Submitter does not want to come out of the closet and declare himself as a Submitter, yet he promotes the teachings of Rashad Khalifa.! This Somali Submitter *CLAIMS* that he does not consider Rashad Khalifa to have been a messenger from Allah, while Ahmed says he is *in or out* on Rashad's being a messenger of Allah. This is what was said to him:] OH, you can COUNT on it that IF I decide to follow Rashad that you WILL hear about it. I'm not hypocrite who belies his own image -- this was the problem with me and these people, to BEGIN with. I repeated over and over that I was NOT, and dare repeated, WAS NOT, a sunni -- and I darn well know what they think of NON-Sunnis...and I didn't care. And, similar, you can count on it if I decide NOT to follow him -- to hear about it. This NOT because I care what anybody thinks of me -- but it's fair to let people know who you are for the sake of them committing sins(unknowingly, etc!) MUSLIM, Maybe the Qur`an does NOT contradict itself -- why the so-called *sahih HADITHS* do in fact contradict the Qur`an? ONE thing that I always believe...and always will -- is that something that came from God...does not contradict Him(anywhere, any place!) ALSO, I sure can't speak for another person -- but, I, myself...DO believe that Hadiths have base on what it claims -- and that there are MANY MANY MANY Hadiths which the Prophet said. However, I believe that they're corrupted! This doesn't mean that it's SATANIC REVELATIONS(like the Submitters say) but it means, like the Torah and Gospel, it's corrupted. Ansaari, Ah, well, ask me if I care what you think I'm. I said it before and I will say it again; I'm MUSLIM and MUSLIM and 1000 times MUSLIM -- ka naxoow, nafta waa! ;) Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date knock hooddi hooddi. Who is lying?. In the prophet's last sermon he warned against people like AHMED who will claim prophethood shall apear after ALLAH sealed it with MOHAMMED. After all there were many claimants of prophethood before AHMED and his gangs. And the prophet said. "Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others, and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better that those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people." AHMED would like to sell to us that HIS PROPHET RASHAD was legitimate PROPHET who COMPLETED islam after MOHAMMED LEFT IT HALF since RASHAD showed up in TUCSON ARIZONA with a message that HIS FOLLOWERS COULD NOT EVEN AGREE. Ahmed says HE believes quran to be complete but then doubts the message and the content of the quran and looks guidance not in the quran he claims he follows but a RAPIST charged to have raped a sixteen year old and convicted. He defended that by saying the prophets were accused of the same crime. But did the united states supreme court convicted RASHAD FOR RAPE or CLAIMING PROPHETHOOD. IN NO WHERE IN THE NEWS BANKS WE CAN FIND EVER THE US OPPOSING THE MESSAGE OF RASHAD. WHY SHOULD THEY?. United states is aware of SUBMITTERS and support them as a minority group and even LET THEM visit the white house to BLESS CLINTON AND HIS GANGS and tell them they ARE all ancient muslims with only minor twist of the message. Ahmed is the messenger of IBLIIS. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? They descend on every lying, wicked person, (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them: Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley? And that they say what they practise not? 221-226 alshua'ra. Add a Message
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| | Unrecorded Date How many lies AHMED told us in only this thread?. Is there a bigger lie than claiming something that was not claimed by ALLAH?. Is there a guidance in any personality other than MOHAMMED?. wE KNOW ahmed SAID IN EX-SUNNI "Thousands join the message of RICHARD KHALIFA" isn't that a complete support andin the wrong message?. Is there a way other than the way of mohammed or Rashad's other way OF NOT FOLLOWING MOHAMMED is the way AHMED IS PROPAGETING HERE IN THE SOMALINET? Why would AHMED conflict his sayings in each forums?. One time he follows muhammed and another time HE IS CONSIDERING RASHAD TO BE RIGHT OR WRONG?. Aallahu akbar. Qof ilaahey nuurkiisa heysto iyo qof mugdi ku dhex jira like AHMED ineynu isku mid noqoneynin meeshaan ka arka. AHMED TAXAYUR IYO WAREER BUU KU DHEX JIRAA wehelbuuna rabaa laakiin yaa JAHANNAMA DAD KU WEHELIN KARO. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? They descend on every lying, wicked person, (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them: Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley? And that they say what they practise not? 221-226 alshua'ra.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said: "Lying always never gets anyone anywhere, Umar. I never admire Rashad Khalifa" Well, it is not a lie that Ahmed admires the KADAAB, for Ahmed's job is to copy things from the web-site of Rashad Khalifa while promoting the Rashad Khalifa's teachings on to this forums. If Ahmed does not admire the KADAAB, why he didn't mention all these times that he was really copying things from the web-site of Rashad Khalifa's followers established and selling Rashad Khalifa's teachings---until Bashir exposed him? Well, cheating or plagiarizing things is what a hypocrite does---if fact---they say---an *imitation* is the best form of flattery(adulation or admiration). Ahmed said that Rashad Khalifa was "one smart man" and lots of people follow him and join his path every day! Well, SATAN was *one smart" creature too, the KADAAB himself, but he still rejected Allah and he out smarts those who *imitate* him and follow his footsteps.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalamu Alaykum; Ahmad said to me; * Jews are people who want to GET AWAY from the *filthness* of the Gentiles -- throughout history, they were persecuted for this reason...for being SO proud of who they're they wanted their own little world. Now, what in the world...would they benefit from hiring Rashad khalifa??? * Well Ahmad, I was not actually certain that this Rashad Khalifa guy was hired by the Jews, and I do not remember saying it, thanks for the inside information. Although it was an uncontrollable outburst but thanks anyway. Soomaalidaa waxay horey ugu maahmaahdey: wixii uurkaaga ku jiraa afka kaa xada. Regards.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! NUR, LOL! HHAHAHAAHAHA! Truly, I sometimes wonder about you. Did I not tell you before that what does NOT concern you are NOT addressed to you??? I was talking about Ansaari’s little ridiculeous comment -- it had nothing to do with you. You were supposed to listen to it -- and then do whatever you wish to it...not respond to it...like it was for you, silly! :) Also, your saying *delivery* sorta brought it up. All just paranoid stuff, Man. And, the reall sad side is -- that it’s ALL of humans. Jews say similar things about Arabs/Muslims, etc. Umar, You said; [Well, it is not a lie that Ahmed admires the KADAAB, for Ahmed's job is to copy things from the web-site of Rashad Khalifa while promoting the Rashad Khalifa's teachings on to this forums.] Huh? *promote*??? What am I missing? Agreeing with Rashad as much as I agree with you is promoting one another? Do I admire you when I agree with you that Jesus will come back -- or that he did not die? GIMME A BREAK! You also said; [If Ahmed does not admire the KADAAB, why he didn't mention all these times that he was really copying things from the web-site of Rashad Khalifa's followers established and selling Rashad Khalifa's teachings---until Bashir exposed him?] First of all, Bashir did not expose anything -- the guy is merely losing it. One day being hyper...the other day sugar. I do not copy anything...but I learn -- I learn from ALL sects, was that news to you? LET me ref-resh YOUR mind -- I DO learn from all sects(YES, all!) You may consider non-sunnis as non-muslims, but hey, who CARES? X-tians consdier us infidels who need to be re-born in order to be in *God’s Kingdom* -- similar, Jews think Gentiles are just filthy people who Jews need to rule. So, certainly, nobody cares what ridiculeous any other people think of anyone, period. It was Ansaari who said *Ahmad learns from the submitters*(or something like it) -- so, surely, Bashir was a little late with his tabloid piece. It was ansaari who was giving the urls of where I and the submitters were alike and so on and so forth. It’s wonderful to notice how NONE gives the urls where I and the submitters are not alike. BUT, then again, a corrupted world...is always a corrupted world, correct? Ah, God CURSES the conjectures, Umar -- we only need the Qur`an for that! You said; [Ahmed said that Rashad Khalifa was "one smart man" and lots of people follow him and join his path every day! Well, SATAN was *one smart" creature too, the KADAAB himself, but he still rejected Allah and he out smarts those who *imitate* him and follow his footsteps.] BUT, you see -- God promises in the Qur`an that His religion will be the most dominant religion on Earth. So, if Rashad brought a bad path -- it will show...like those before him. Lets wait - for I too am those who wait! I can tell you one thing though -- UNLESS Muslims come together and get their religion back on the track, we’re FAR from that religion that God talks about! Umar, Brother, you’re wasting my time when day-in and day-out we talk...without any progress. You do NOT want to believe the Qur`an -- you need another source beside it...to be above it. I don’t. WHEN and if you’re ready to say that the Qur`an is your #1 source -- and that you want to live by it’s #1ness -- we can talk all we want. However, before that...you’re only wasting my time and energy. And trust me -- I have much important things to do with my time. YES, yes, yes -- I know you say Qur`an is your #1 source, but is it, really? You believe these things that Qur`an HAS NOTHING to do with; -- John was not given a Book, -- Luqman was a Prophet, -- Aaron was just a *wasir* and Prophet with no Book but only to help Moses, -- The Book was given *primarily AND principally* to Moses, -- It was the *Torah* that was given to Moses, and more. All of those are coming from a source beside the Qur`an -- and a NUMBER 1 source always has the pleasure of being number 1...and no seconds -- and it doesn’t have to agree with another source...but other source MUST agree with it. Do you see what i’m talking about? UNTIL you base those in the Qur`an -- and proof it to me and to others...you cannot call the Qur`an as your number source -- but you can say like some other Muslims that Hadiths are another Qur`an which has the same status as the Qur`an. You asked me to name the book of John. -- I asked you to name the book of Abraham, -- I asked you to tell me ONE verse that says Torah was given to Moses, -- I asked you to tell me ONE verse that says the *Book was only given to Moses*... -- I asked you to tell me ONE verse that says Luqman was a Prophet, -- I asked you to tell me ONE verse that tells us a Messenger(without also being named a Prophet) and was given a book, The whole point of you and me are discussing is what the status of a Prophet or a Messenger is --- and without those points...we cannot get that. REMEMBER, I do not quote anything BEFORE the Qur`an -- but it is ALWAYS something that agrees with the Qur`an. True believers strife for the Truth -- and do not settle for something just because the oldie fathers of yore said so to be the *Truth* --- they accept it from God...and strife for what is the Truth. It was never in me to defend a belief that I have...without proof -- I never settle down with things because someone said to be it true. No, I have seen way too many parables in the Qur`an -- and the whole point of God mentioning them to us was that purpose; TO LEARN FROM! The whole message that God conveys to us is that MAN has so many ungrateful beings to screw things up -- no matter how blessing. People whom God given food from the heavens(manna and quals) ended up worshipping other gods beside God for the simple reason of it being worshipped by a *majority*. People whom God had put in paradise rebelled and followed the wicked lies of Satan. People whom God sent Messengers killed them. It’s sad truth -- but that is MAN! Now, some people who are in the time of the world’s WORST time are claiming to be *different* -- ah, GIMME a break! Like every other Messenger’s Message, when Muhammad died -- not many years later...died parts of his message as well. People corrupted and invented lies and attributed to him and to God. His nation was devide into many sects. His family was killed injustly(EVEN his favorite people; his grand-sons). His so-called followers smitten everyone that he adored -- for what? I always try my best to forgive the unforgivables -- but somethings are beyond my understanding. SORRY...for the little time-flash-back! Peace and Love to all Muslims wherever they’re, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "You said; [Well, it is not a lie that Ahmed admires the KADAAB, for Ahmed's job is to copy things from the web-site of Rashad Khalifa while promoting the Rashad Khalifa's teachings on to this forums.] Huh? *promote*??? What am I missing? Agreeing with Rashad as much as I agree with you is promoting one another? Do I admire you when I agree with you that Jesus will come back -- or that he did not die? GIMME A BREAK! Well, not only Ahmed *admired* and *promoted* the teachings of Rashad Khalifa, he *concealed* insincerity without acknowledging where he copied what he wrote on here many occasions! So, what did Ahmed do before Bashir *exposed* where Ahmed copied his stuff? Ahmed copied----cheated or plagiarized---things with minor changes---from Rashad Khalifa's homepage---to here. Like the other Somali guy, who is/was in the submitters *cult*, Ahmed concealed and still hides his affiliation with Rashad Khalifa's cult memebership. Like the other Somali guy, Ahmed tries to be non-submitter. One time, Ahmed was told that he was a follower of Rashad Khalifa---then, Ahmed tried to sound like he didn't know about Rashad Khalifa that much and he was learning about Rashad Khalifa from what people write on him on here----yet that time Ahmed was still engaging his cut and paste job from submitters page to here! As I said, this is what a hypocrite does. So, an *imitation* is the best form of flattery(adulation or admiration) and Bashir really *EXPOSED* Ahmed. Ahmed said: "You said: [Ahmed said that Rashad Khalifa was "one smart man" and lots of people follow him and join his path every day! "Well, SATAN was *one smart" creature too, the KADAAB himself, but he still rejected Allah and he out smarts those who *imitate* him and follow his footsteps.] “BUT, you see -- God promises in the Qur`an that His religion will be the most dominant religion on Earth. So, if Rashad brought a bad path -- it will show...like those before him. Lets wait - for I too am those who wait! “ Yes, Allah also promoses and tells *those* who follows the footsteps of SATAN--the father of all KADAABIIN--that they are in a WRONG *path*. Rashad Khalifa led himself in the path of SATAN and like SATAN, Rashad Khalifa *mis-led* view people into his path. Some of Rashad Khalifa's followers believe him to be a messenger from Allah and some of them claim that Rashad Khalifa might have been a messenger from Allah. Like Ahmed, I’m not waiting for a prove from the skies----that Rashad Khalifa to be a messenger from Allah. I follow the path of Muhammad who said he was the last messenger and the last prophet of Allah. Thus, *like those before him*, who CLAIMED to have been from Allah, Rashad Khalifa was a KADAAB. Ahmed said: “Umar, Brother, you’re wasting my time when day-in and day-out we talk...without any progress. You do NOT want to believe the Qur`an -- you need another source beside it...to be above it. I don’t. “ Well, the correct *sources* of salaat and the finality of messenger-hood are derived from the teachings of our final messenger Muhammad and we believe them(the sources). However, like the followers of Rashad Khalifa, Ahmed is saying he does not perform his prayers the way of the Sunnah of our messenger Muhammad and also like the followers of Rashad Khalifa, Ahmed is saying he does not believe the sayings of our messenger Muhammad and the finality of messenger-hood of Muhammad(saw). Ahmed is now yelling and screaming and saying that I’m wasting his time. ! This is the same guy who could not take the heat and fled from another discussion we had on another forums. That discussion was about the correct way of making the salaat and this discussion on here is about the Muhammad being the last messenger. That time, Ahmed screamed and shouted this: “NO MORE debate! It's OVER! If you have a problem with my posts, too bad. Nobody is twisting your arm to read it...OR respond to it. No more, Baby! I only have so much time for one day...and I won't *WASTE* it on a couple of lunatics who have nothing else to do but lie...and distort against people. To debate all of you...would take time(and if it was a fruitful debate)...could be bearable, but to debate with a few of people with so many alliases...with no fruitful debate...is a waste of time.”
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed You said to me: * LOL! HHAHAHAAHAHA! Truly, I sometimes wonder about you. Did I not tell you before that what does NOT concern you are NOT addressed to you??? I was talking about Ansaari’s little ridiculeous comment -- it had nothing to do with you. You were supposed to listen to it -- and then do whatever you wish to it...not respond to it...like it was for you, silly! :) * Actually Ahmad this exact words * Jews are people who want to GET AWAY from the *filthness* of the Gentiles -- throughout history, they were persecuted for this reason...for being SO proud of who they're they wanted their own little world. Now, what in the world...would they benefit from hiring Rashad khalifa??? * Were addressed to me, because it falls under where you address NUR, on Wednesday, February 2, 2000 - 03:15 am: Ahmad, You are either lying BIG TIME, Or It was a little delivery mix up! Either way, I will be nice to you, and give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it was a little delivery mix up. But again the absurdity of debating the contents of the message with the messenger does shine through. Regards
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed's idol----Edip Yüksel----wrote an ultimatum letter to his fellow submitters and incidentally the people he included in that letter and endorsed his utimatum to the submitters----is another Somali submitter by the name of Mahmoud Abib----the same Somali submitter who DENIED that he was in the memebership of Rashad Khalifa's cult---the submitters.! I wonder why Ahmed and Mahmoud Abib are NOT willing to come out of the closet and admit that they are in the Rashad Khalifa's cult---while *promoting* Rashad khalifa's teaching on the Somali forums? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AN ULTIMATUM Are We Going To Repeat The Blunders Of Previous Communities? by Edip Yüksel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the April, 1997 issue of Submitters Perspective, an article titled "Pilgrimage: Hajj and Umrah" made me concerned about the direction of this community. The author, in that article repeatedly asked the reader to REMEMBER "the duties of the Messenger of the Covenant," a messenger who repeatedly asked people to remember that accepting anything besides the Quran as a religious source was shirk. Where could a person find the duties of "the Messenger of Covenant?" Sure, the students of the Quran know well that there is no such list of duties in the Quran. The author, in his article written on religious matters, was repeatedly asking his reader to REMEMBER a source besides the Quran. A messenger might have had many duties and he might have listed them somewhere, but it is not the duty of Muslims (Submitters) to memorize or keep remembering the list of a particular messenger's duties. Their duty is to follow God's word alone and reject any other source or authority besides it. It does not matter if the associated source is in written or oral. They are supposed to dedicate the religion to God alone (98:5). If we keep reminding each other of the words and writings of the late messenger, our children and grandchildren would most likely follow our advise and would remind each other of religious authorities besides the Quran, and as the sign of hypocrisy or ignorance, they might also be parroting the motto, "The Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but the Quran." Distinguishing their messenger's hadith from that of the previous messenger's through pseudo differences does not change the fact that accepting anything besides the Quran as another authority is shirk, Period. There is no difference between orally narrated hadith that we cannot verify and that which is transmitted in print or by video tapes, which presumably we might be able to verify. Sayings or writings of messengers might be treated differently regarding their authenticity, but our rejection of Hadith and Sunnah was not based merely on their unreliability, but primarily on the fact that messengers were not another authority or even teachers of God's religion. Abusing the authority of prophets and messengers, and presenting their words or writings as an other authority besides God's word is one of the most common and repeated blunders of "Submitters" of many generations. Unfortunately, our community has not been different. We have witnessed some so-called Submitters claiming the infallibility of "the Messenger of the Covenant." We have witnessed published articles claiming that "Kitab" (The Book) mentioned in the Quran refers to BOTH the Quran and Rashad's translation. We have seen people claiming that the video and audio tapes of "the Messenger of the Covenant" are necessary sources besides the Quran, in addition to his three versions of translation, footnotes, subtitles, appendices and articles, thereby making him a "prophet" with new revelations. We have seen "Submitters" promoting ridiculous interpretations to justify clear errors and contradictions in Rashad's translation. We have heard outrageous misinterpretations of the claim "authorized translation" as if it meant that every word and letter of Rashad's translation were divine, including the revised and re-revised versions. Attributing human errors and contradictions to our Lord, the Omniscient, is not something to take lightly (6:21; 6:93; 6:144; 7:37; 10:17; 11:18; 29:68). We have seen people trying to freeze God's universal message with snap-shot understanding of a human messenger. We have seen people disoriented because of their insistence on following the Sunnah of "the Messenger of the Covenant" instead of indisputable facts. Despite all this mass reversion to shirk (associating partners to God), sure with a different idol and a different excuse, we have yet to see a single article in the Submitters Perspective criticizing this popular trend in this small community. Muhammedans who idolized Muhammad after his departure did exactly the same. While they repeatedly reminded each other of the duties and the words of "the Final Prophet" they focused their criticism on Christians and Jews. In fact, they were repeating the same great blunder with a few minor changes. They ignored the warnings of monotheists who soon became a minority and they oppressed or suppressed their voice. Unfortunately, our community has not taken heed from this history and it is failing the divine test designed for every generation (29:2). While we criticize Muslim's addiction with mentioning Muhammad besides God in their religious articles and books, we also feel a compelling urge to insert Rashad's title "the Messenger of the Covenant" in our speeches and writings. "Is God not sufficient for His servant?. . ." (39:36) Well, should we remind those who follow the appendices, footnotes, subtitles, video and audio tapes of Rashad, one of the Sunnah of their messenger, like we remind Muhammedans of their own Hadith and Sunnah to expose their contradiction? Why not? Do you REMEMBER the only verse that was hanging on Rashad's office door for many years until his assassination? Wasn't it 39:36? Also remember that 39:36 was the only verse that is underlined in his translation. And should I remind them of another hadith? Remember Appendix 19 of the Messenger of Covenant; what does it say about you? Do you remember Rashad's book "Quran, Hadiths and Islam?" Have you applied it to yourself? Besides creating modern versions of Hadith and Sunnah, some are trying their best to distort, pervert and dilute the great mathematical miracle of the Quran. As we know that some members of this community abused the mathematical code of the Quran with the unforgettable May 19, 1990 doomsday prophecy and they keep abusing it with their mathematical illiteracy. Some of them did not take heed from their blunder. Now they employ the same childish numerical manipulations to find more mathematical evidence for the messengership of a dead person. One of those doomsday prophets even claimed a divine rank through his childish calculations. Incredibly, he finds followers and supporters within this community. We have become extremely tolerant to the mushriks (those who set partners to God) among us. Probably, because of being trapped in cult-syndrome: we share the same unifying symbol, Rashad Khalifa, or "the Messenger of Covenant," equivalent to Muhammedans' repeated expression "Muhammad Sallallahu Aleyhi Wasallam." This cult or sectarian syndrome is addressed by an interesting Quranic verse: "Are your disbelievers better than those disbelievers? Have you been absolved by the Scripture?" (54:43). After Rashad's death, the fallible human messenger suddenly became an infallible messenger and all his work with all re-visions, contradictions and errors magically became another divine revelation. The devils who concocted or hoped such a mutation, in order to replace Rashad's translation with the original Quran, expunged the original from the translation. To imply an exclusive divine revelation, they also removed the name of those whom Rashad acknowledged for their assistance and contribution to the translation. In brief, members of this community are replacing the Hadith and Sunnah of Muhammad with Rashad's Appendices, footnotes, subtitles, audio and video tapes. Some of those who were addressing their messenger with his first name (Rashad) during his lifetime, soon after his departure, they developed a taboo against mentioning his first name. Muhammedans and those who repeat their blunder cannot commemorate their idols' names without words of praise or rank. Are we going to follow the footsteps of previous generations? What a miserable convergence! What a regression!: "Surely, those who slide back, after the guidance has been manifested to them, the devil has enticed them, and has misled them." (47:25) We cannot standby the repetition of the worst part of the history. If we cannot burn the new calf and throw it into the sea like Moses did, we might be required to repeat Saleh's words (7:79) to our people soon. This Ultimatom is endorsed by the following people: Apameh Bashar Mahmoud Abib Shawki Hamdan Milan Sulc Saeed Talari Sadruddin Karimboy Ali Fazeli Cathryn Kolton Sanobar Tafazoli Maryam Jenna Barbara Jeen Yasser Elkadi Hamid Baghdishi Fransisco Lay Daniel Lay Aisha Musa JOHN SPOONER Hossein Kowsary Ramtin Ghazi Haroon Khan PS: 2. If you would like to put your name on the list above please let us know. 1. The author has decided to prepare "19 Questions For Khalifites," as a next project, God willing. http://www.moslem.org/ultimatom.htm
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